Saturday Night Open Thread

Another cold, blustery night with mild snow showers. I was supposed to go to a Mardi Gras party tonight down the street, but I spent the better part of the afternoon trying to think up excuses to skip it, and just decided I wasn’t going, period. If anyone wants to bitch at me, I will tell them I am 43 and cold and don’t give a shit.

Currently totally sucked into House of Cards on netflix- it’s as good as any drama you will watch. Also too, Kate Mara and the former Mrs. Penn. Got some lavender essential oils going, about to eat some grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup, I got a new shipment of chammomile from Upton Teas, and it is looking like home team is spending the night in fleece pajama bottoms and a terry cloth bathrobe with two dogs on my lap.

I win.

282 replies
  1. 1
    Raven says:

    Five hours of tamale makin and haven’t done the vegetarian yet. Amazingly the masa dough and chicken filler ran out at literally the same time. Talk about blind ass luck!

  2. 2
    HobbesAI says:

    The 1990 UK House of Cards series is also excellent.

  3. 3
    RobertDSC-iMac G5 says:

    Entering more books into my 2200+ volume list. Plotting ways to get my hands on a new Playstation 3. Come on W2!

  4. 4
    WaterGirl says:

    Cole, we never hear about Tunch sitting in your lap anymore. Does Tunch get lap time, too?

    That’s why I think he smacked your head the other night; you hadn’t even noticed him. I know you adore Tunch, but does he get enough kitty time now that Rosie has joined the family?

  5. 5
    donovong says:

    Hey JC, thanks for the tip on Uptons a few years back. I have been a steady customer ever since I saw your recommendation. I have ended up with an entire cabinet in the kitchen full of tea, mostly various Chinese black. Great stuff!

  6. 6
    RedKitten says:

    Spending the better part of the evening with my boobs out. It’s not as exciting as it sounds…young AlexKitten is gearing up for yet another growth spurt and has been eating nonstop.

  7. 7
    ruemara says:

    Lavender oil, chammomile tea and fleece jammies. You’re like a grandma with testosterone.

    I’m…frustrated and angry. So I’m having my comforting decaf coffee, have some poorly seasoned cornish hens in the oven and am pushing the cats away from me. Giving in to Ripper Street and random science fiction with liberal doses of WoW until I can go to sleep and get to tomorrow.

  8. 8
    Raven says:

    @HobbesAI: Did they do that jive-ass talking to the camera in the UK version? It makes the show like a fucking broadway musical.

  9. 9
    Raven says:

    @RedKitten: Sounds great to my lactation consultant wife!

  10. 10
    Tom The First says:

    “I win.”

    Won’t get any arguments here. Tomorrow, on the other hand, you’re sure to lose right? Watch the Baltimore win or Niners get 6th ring.

  11. 11
    nellcote says:

    So John are you watching Buckwild on MTV? About kids in West Virginia. Hoping to do for WV what Snooky did for the Jersey Shore.

  12. 12
    RedKitten says:

    @Raven: Well, I had a reduction, so anything that increases my supply, even if it results in 40-minute blocks of sleep at night, is a good thing.

  13. 13
    eric says:

    Playing OLD school Galaga with my 8-year old daughter on the Wii. good good times.

  14. 14
    Raven says:

    @RedKitten: Hang in there.

  15. 15
    HobbesAI says:

    @Raven: Yes, the main character is played like a Shakespearean villain, with frequent soliloquies.

  16. 16
  17. 17
    Alison says:

    Isn’t it great to get to the point where you give little enough of a fuck that, rather than try to find acceptable reason why you can’t do something (true or not), you just say “Nah, I don’t want to”. We’re conditioned to think it’s rude or whatever, but hell, why would someone want me around if I don’t want to be there anyway? And it doesn’t have to be done coldly, you can just be honest and say “You know, I’m not feeling like it today, but thanks.” It’s hard for some folks to get there, but it’s pretty freeing.

    Also too, I don’t have a lot of friends, you may be surprised to hear :P

  18. 18
    General Stuck says:

    Got some lavender essential oils going, about to eat some grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup, I got a new shipment of chammomile from Upton Teas, and it is looking like home team is spending the night in fleece pajama bottoms and a terry cloth bathrobe with two dogs on my lap.

    We live on different planets together. Except for the doggy thang.

  19. 19
    gogol's wife says:


    We go through this on New Year’s Eve. We never, ever want to go anywhere on New Year’s Eve. In fact, I never want to leave the house after dark from November to March unless I absolutely have to. John’s evening sounds great to me, except for the tea part.

  20. 20
    Phylllis says:

    Casablanca on TCM.

  21. 21
    Steeplejack says:

    Spending a quiet evening with the housecat. New episode of Ripper Street will go on the DVR at 9:00, but I haven’t watched the previous one yet. The first episode was promising but not a slam dunk. The show could go either way–really good or CSI: Gaslight.

    We’re having a bit of snow here in NoVa, and the temperature is still low–27°, wind chill of 18°–so I’ll be rolling out at 10:40 to give my former coworker a ride home from work. When she closes, her work/bus feng shui is all messed up. She gets out usually a little before 11:00, sometimes a little after, and that’s right around the time of the last bus (which is occasionally not reliable). I have given her a standing offer of a ride home and am really happy when she takes me up on it. I worked at that store for several years and walked home many a dark and dreary night.

  22. 22
    Narcissus says:

    @Alison: Ditto this post

  23. 23
    MazeDancer says:

    House of Card-ing it as well. It is very good.

    Especially love how Robin Wright and the director have so encapsulated that competitively thin, OCD neat vibe of her character. In NYC, at least, where over working is the drug of choice, being sinewy skinny and over exercised – and calling it healthy – is runner up obsession among some women. Control can be comforting. Even for ones who, unlike the Claire character, are truly giving types with kind hearts.

  24. 24
    realbtl says:

    I’m sitting on a porch in Volcano HI in shorts, heading back to Kona tomorrow for 7 days on the beach. When I left Montana yesterday it was 35 with 1/4″ of rain on top of hard packed ice, had to take the truck w/4×4 and studded snow tires to the airport. I think I win.

  25. 25
    Raven says:

    @realbtl: Goin fishin?

  26. 26
    John Cole says:


    Spending the better part of the evening with my boobs out.

  27. 27
    dmsilev says:

    Playing around with Kerbal Space Program, which if you haven’t heard of it is an indy computer game which in its current state is essentially a rocket-building sandbox. Design and build rockets, launch them, try to successfully land on the local moon and so forth, etc. Or, as is usually the case with my designs, watch the thing explode in a fireball either on the launch pad or on first stage separation.

    Tonight’s goal is to learn how to dock two spacecraft to each other.

  28. 28
    cathyx says:

    @John Cole: She’s breastfeeding for god’s sake. What, are you 13?

  29. 29
    BGinCHI says:

    Highly recommend Ripper Street on BBC America tonight.

    3rd episode but you don’t have to have seen the first two.

    Terrific show and cast.

    Looking forward to House of Cards. Loved the Original.

    ETA: I see others mentioned Ripper Street as well. It’s worth a look, folks. And what are you gonna do anyway, go to a party?

  30. 30
    realbtl says:

    Nah, just soak up some sun and watch the ocean. Really, just the ocean not what might be on the beach. That’s my story to my wife and I’m sticking to it.

  31. 31
    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Damn you all now you got me hooked on the series, I guess I will catch up on Outrageous Fortune later.One film from Netflix that was pretty good and I will recommend is Amigo a film directed by John Sayles(Matewan and Eight Men Out) a film about the conflicts between the US Army and Filipino villagers during the US occupation of the Philippines.

  32. 32
    Paddy says:

    Made the mistake of drinking a double shot espresso mocha about 10ish and haven’t stopped since. I slayed a couple aggravating trolls on the twitter apparatus with my bountiful snark, cleaned, dusted, fed and watered furry children, played tug o’war with furry children, watched furry children collapse into sleep, did laundry and now about to save myself with a hefty V&T and continuing “HoC”. Had to take a break after the opening sequence. Whew.

  33. 33
    RedKitten says:

    @cathyx: Don’t be too hard on him. I phrased it that way deliberately cause I knew John would have fun taking the bait.

  34. 34
    PsiFighter37 says:

    I just came home from a full afternoon/early evening of playing Magic: The Gathering. Yes, I still do things I did when I was a child, which is further and further away (I turn 3 cubed this upcoming week).

    Had a bunch of beers and am now drinking a protein shake and sobering up. Tomorrow, I hope the Niners win because I cannot stand Ray Lewis.

    PF37 +5

  35. 35
    Raven says:

    @realbtl: I got close enough to the Big Island to see it during the sunrise on Haleakalā this summer. The captain of my fishing boat wanted to go between Maui and the Big Island but he felt it would have been too rough. I guess the ride to good fishin is lots closer from Kona than Lahiana.

  36. 36
    Mike in NC says:

    We steamed two pounds of blue mussels in white wine, butter, and garlic. Then served over pasta and pigged out. Yum!

  37. 37
    Raven says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Check out Men With Guns too.

  38. 38
    caring and sensitive says:

    As it’s an open thread I want to say thanks to JeffreyW. About two years ago he posted a recipe for sesame chicken. I’ve made it a few times since and am making it now. I always think of giving him a shout-out but never get around to it. It is easy to make and tastes great.

    Am getting together with the usual group to watch the superbowl. I think it’s 35 years with the same guys, with once or twice when not everyone made it.

  39. 39
    cathyx says:

    @RedKitten: No, you would have fun with John taking the bait.

  40. 40
    RareSanity says:

    Anyone wanting some laughs around the “It’s Obama’s fault” theme, go to this link now!

    You’re welcome.

  41. 41
    NotMax says:

    Lavender? Chamomile?

    Should making doilies comes up, I’ll retire to Bedlam.

    Off to productively spend waste time doing dailies on WoW.


    On Maui and just got done interfacing with some people from Big Timber, MT.

    FYI, here’s the Big Island forecast for the next week.

  42. 42
    dance around in your bones says:

    JC, you sure do like your jammies and bathrobe, doncha? I don’t blame you, I mostly live in my jammies (no bathrobe, too warm in SoCal, though I own 3).

    Tomorrow it’s gonna be jammies and Superbowl all day! Also beer, or if I can’t get my SIL to buy some I might have to settle for screwdrivers. Jeez, poor me.

    ETA: I don’t really give a flying fuck who wins tomorrow – I once lived in B’more so I spoze I should root for them….but mostly it’s just a chance to hang out with family and have a few drinks and lotsa food. It was ever thus.

  43. 43
    realbtl says:

    Thanks for the forecast though I just take what comes knowing it will be 40 or so degrees warmer here that back home.

  44. 44
    BGinCHI says:

    @Mike in NC: Please Fed Ex me your mussels.

  45. 45
    General Stuck says:

    Nice sunny day today after a very wintry Jan. Picked up some seed starter kits for transplanting later/ To hopefully escape the deer menace to gardening we have around here, am going with low growing veggies only in my raised garden, with tomato plants on the back porch. cucumbers and green onions, I think. And bought some wildflower mixes designed for Hummingbirds,to maybe get some pics of them natural feeding in the summer.

  46. 46
    Cassidy says:

    UFC tonight. We did our 42 flight stair climb today in full bunker fear and air pack. It took me 26 mins, but I wasn’t in a hurry.

  47. 47
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Phylllis: Followed by Maltese Falcon. My wife and daughter have been told to keep quiet

  48. 48
    BGinCHI says:

    @Cassidy: The fear can really be tiring.

  49. 49
    kdaug says:

    fleece pajama bottoms and a terry cloth bathrobe

    Sounds like a Mardi Gras outfit to me.

  50. 50
    quannlace says:

    Can picture the fleece PJ’s and the chamomile tea.
    But what’s the lavender oil for? Just scenting the room?

  51. 51
    Cassidy says:

    @BGinCHI: Last week we did an LP burn and I got to get right up on it working the nozzle. It was exhilarating.

  52. 52
    WereBear says:

    Day 2 of Storage Unit Lolapalooza. Fortunately I have all day tomorrow to recover.

  53. 53
    rikyrah says:

    Glad to read the reviews for House of Cards – I loved the original.

    Watching Casablanca on TCM right now…I never can turn away once the remote lands on it

  54. 54
    Donut says:


    Straight men like boobs. A lot. What, is this a surprise for you?

  55. 55
    BGinCHI says:

    @Cassidy: Not sure I knew you were a smoke jumper (not sure that’s the right term for firefighters who battle forest fires). Is that right? Very cool.

    I’d be a third generation fireman if I’d become a fireman.

  56. 56
    eric says:

    @Just One More Canuck: THANKS FOR THE INFO

  57. 57
    PurpleGirl says:

    @Cassidy: Congratulations! I can’t even imagine doing something like that. Glad that there are fire fighters who can do that.

    ETA: My legs became rubber once when I walked down 17 flights because the elevators were out.

  58. 58
    Cassidy says:

    @BGinCHI: No, I’m not a smoke jumper. I’m going through Firefighter school right now. Hopefully Paramedic next year.

  59. 59
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Donut: As a straight guy, I will vouch for this – we like the boobs on the opposite sex.

  60. 60
    General Stuck says:


    Straight men like boobs. A lot. What, is this a surprise for you?

    Nor turn down a righteous breast feeding.

  61. 61
    Cassidy says:

    @PurpleGirl: It’s a lot of fun. I’m really hoping to get onto the city service here. They’re a really aggressive service that likes to get in and really attack fire. Our Instructors are really good.

  62. 62
    Rosie Outlook says:

    Do they have their own calendar in West Virginia? On my calendar Mardi Gras isn’t till the 13th so parties would reasonably be held the weekend of the 9th (which is also Chinese New Year weekend).

  63. 63
    Rosie Outlook says:

    Jeffrey, could you please repost your sesame chicken recipe?

  64. 64
    Donut says:


    The last time I celebrated Mardi Gras, I slept in a van down by the Mississippi River, couple of blocks from the French Market, and did whiskey shots at 9:00 am. Then I took mushrooms and walked to Verdi Mart and got a French fry po boy.

    Damn, that was a good day.

  65. 65
    Donut says:

    @PsiFighter37: @General Stuck:

    Boobies! It doesn’t matter why they’re being used for…they’re still boobies!

  66. 66
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Got a similar thing going on this evening, John. We’re so much alike it isn’t funny. I did a little genealogical research and found out we’re 57th cousins, eight times removed. I imagine Niall of the Nine Hostages spent a lot of time in an easy chair with his hand in his underwear.

  67. 67
    dance around in your bones says:

    Why am I in moderation? Is it because I said scr.ewdriver?

  68. 68
  69. 69

    Update on the puppy, she has bonded with Harry Potter the kitteh, they are now besties. for pics

    I watched the second episode of Ripper Street this morning and I thought it was excellent. The various plot twists and turns really kept the mind working. The only bit that I don’t like is that I have no idea about the back story of Reid and his wife, they keep talking about “she” but we never get to understand who “she” is. It appears that we are to be left in the dark about the tension between him and his wife unless there is something in future episodes.

  70. 70
    Phylllis says:

    @Just One More Canuck: Got the dvr set for that one and Mildred Pierce to follow.

    TCM aired the 1931 Maltese Falcon sometime over Christmas. Much different…interpretation, to say the least. Obviously pre-code as well.

  71. 71
    eemom says:

    Straight men like boobs

    I’m a straight woman, possessor of two honorably retired from milking service, and I like them too.

  72. 72
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Donut: as a guy who has a similar body size to cole, its possible that he was just noting that he was up to the same thing as red kitten.

  73. 73
    Donut says:

    Oops. I misspelled “Verti” but if anyone is ever in the Quarter and you want good cheap eats, it is so fucking worth it to find your way to Verti Mart

  74. 74

    @MazeDancer: MrsFromOhio and I caught three eps before hanging it up – a planned convalescence next week will let us burn through the last ten. So we kept hashing over the Claire character, the only truly interesting one of the bunch. Does she *have* a conscience? Does it slumber in the shadows of the power plays she and Francis are brewing, or is it truly absent altogether? We can’t decide if she’s going to veer off-course due to a sudden bout of humanity, or does she stay the ice queen all the way down.

    Breaking the fourth wall was a bit distracting at first, but watching Kevin Spacey channel his inner Tommy Lee Jones seems to be working pretty well.

    The townies discussing the anatomical properties of the water tower dressed up as a peach was pretty amusing.

    Sole regret? There’s only thirteen of these. Here’s to hoping there are more in the future. Since the demise of Fringe and Leverage, I’ve been seeking a new fiction addiction, and this just might be it.

  75. 75
    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    Just got a call from the people in this story, and because I am small and petty I had to lead him along for a while. I did everything he told me and told him the results. Of course, I never told him I was on an Ubuntu desktop instead of Windows, but then he never asked.

    Unfortunately, he caught on relatively quickly and hung up. But every minute I was able to keep him on the line was a minute he wasn’t scamming someone else who would fall for it.

    Currently powering through House of Cards, and it is most excellent. I know some people aren’t fond of Underwood breaking the fourth wall, but that’s where he gets his best lines in. “Money is the McMansion in Sarasota that falls down in ten years. Power is the stone building that stands for centuries, and I have no patience for those who can’t tell the difference.”

  76. 76
    Ben Franklin says:

    I have been noticing an increase in corn, as first ingredient, in many of the kibble type dry food of late.

    The high end brands, for which you pay a premium for the promise not to put plastic into their non-Chinese product, have decided that corn makes a comeback.

    Dogs should never eat corn.

  77. 77
    Rosie Outlook says:

    Regarding the Scalzi/Alpha feud, Scalzi, who is obviously an evil genius (I like that in a man), came up with the anti-troll idea of kittening. Whenever a troll turns up, Scalzi changes his trolling comment to something about cute fluffy kittens. I think Balloon Juice should adopt this procedure.

  78. 78
    cathyx says:

    @Donut: You do realize that their raison d’etre is to feed a baby, right?

  79. 79
    Corner Stone says:


    Spending the better part of the evening with my boobs out. It’s not as exciting as it sounds…

    It’s, umm…kind of exciting. I mean, depending on…uhh..ok.

  80. 80
    Maude says:

    #6 I wish you’d tweet that.

  81. 81
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @eemom: Pfft. I’d like to get rid of my DD’s. I have a desk job and they make my shoulders sore by the end of the day.

  82. 82
    Cassidy says:

    @Rosie Outlook: That would require our bloghost to monitor the comments.

  83. 83
    Arthur says:

    Today, has been an excellent day. Our son left for all state choir Thursday night, with a performance today at 1 pm. Our daughter performed/was judged in a solo and ensemble event today at 10 am.

    She was anxious, we were anxious…we needed her score before driving and hour and a half in the snow to catch our son’s performance. Scores came quickly…she got a “I”; superior.

    We beat the weather, and catch some of the best choir performances I never expected. The collegians we great, high schools were great, and the middle school choir rocked it, too.

    we get home to find that our son earned a $10,000 scholarship, and our daughter is having her performance recorded to submit for all state!

    I am one proud papa!

  84. 84
    Yutsano says:

    @RedKitten: Ahem.


    Okay I’m done. That’s about as excited as I get over those.

  85. 85
    Corner Stone says:


    Playing OLD school Galaga with my 8-year old daughter on the Wii. good good times.

    Dude, Galaga. I haven’t quite put it all together yet but I am convinced that skilled Galaga players will one day save our Solar System/Galaxy ala “The Last StarFighter”.
    I’m sure of it. Especially since I absolutely dominate.

  86. 86
    J. Michael Neal says:

    I’m decompressing. The Gophers scared the hell out of me this afternoon. Rachel Ramsey had a complete WTF? moment at her own blue line and let Duluth tie the game with a short handed goal early in the third period. The team got rattled and spent the next seven minutes passing the puck to no one, losing track of their defensive responsibilities and basically wandering around the ice aimlessly. I have never been as happy to get a TV timeout (I hope some of you with the Big 10 Network caught the game) as I was with the one that came around the ten minute mark.

    They looked like a completely different team after that. Amanda Kessel just willed in a puck to break the tie. Then a minute later Kelly Terry shredded the Bulldog defense and Rachel Bona buried her feed. Duluth called a timeout which was so effective that Milica McMillen scored on the next shift.

    I’m pleased that the Gophers found that top gear no one else has to put the Bulldogs away. I was really worried that they had to search for it so long it reminded me of when I’m trying to find my car keys. Hopefully that’s all the scare they need the rest of the way.


  87. 87
    Corner Stone says:

    @Alison: I did this from about age 7 onwards. I’m a little confused by adults who forfeit their time for things they hate. Unless they’re getting paid.

  88. 88
    scav says:

    Carnaval can get a little flexible, depending. Work off the Limoux tradition, their Fécos lasts for months.

  89. 89
    Corner Stone says:

    @gogol’s wife: Well, since you live in fear I’m surprised you ever leave the house.

  90. 90
    WaterGirl says:

    @BGinCHI: Wow, was it tough to buck the tradition and go your own way?

    I thought it was really interesting to hear you say on the wiley cash thread that you are an author. And not just of scholarly professorial-type publications.

    That thread with wiley cash was very fun.

  91. 91
    Corner Stone says:


    Really, just the ocean not what might be on the beach. That’s my story to my wife and I’m sticking to it.

    I have a friend who recently spent a month in HI. He stayed at various hostels and really had a freakin’ blast. The sheer amount of unbelievably pretty and in shape women virtually everywhere (according to him), have ruined him for coming home and being surrounded by anti-HI.

  92. 92
    eric says:

    @Corner Stone: lol…she and i also played 1981 Donkey Kong….sadly i remember thinking WOW back in the day.

  93. 93
    Corner Stone says:

    @RareSanity: I love this link. Thank you.

  94. 94
    RedKitten says:

    @Rosie Outlook: Let me know if you need info re: surgery. I can assure you it was worthwhile.

  95. 95
    TaMara (BHF) says:

    @Rosie Outlook: I found several he did, here’s the links:

    Sesame Chicken

  96. 96
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I’m sure of it. Especially since I absolutely dominate.

    It was only my best ever and the reason I built an arcade machine.

    Well, after Frogger. But what are the chances I’d ever be called into the service of a plague of frogs?

  97. 97
    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Phylllis: I’ve never seen that version – I’ll have to look out for it. Thanks

  98. 98
    Corner Stone says:


    You do realize that their raison d’etre is to feed a baby, right?

    Who are you to say? They do that in some women and don’t in others, for reasons that are none of our business.
    But unless a woman stays with small child in perpetuity, then how many years out of her life do you think she’s feeding?

  99. 99
    Svensker says:

    Back from anniversary dinner at cute local new Brazilian joint with pretty good food. Since we’re old, we were happy that it was a) relatively cheap; and b) close to the house. I’m surfing around the net while Mr. Svensker is passed out on the bed with Casablanca on the teevee competing with the snores. If there were boobies out tonight (I’m not saying there are or not), no one would notice. Ah, wedded bliss. :)

  100. 100
    trollhattan says:


    Dang, and here I thought it was raison d’two-o.

    The stuff I learn on this bloggie thingie.

  101. 101
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @cathyx: Oh, for fuck’s sake.

  102. 102
    eric says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: i used to dominate on asteroid to the point of literally being in another zone sort of a hypnotic playing consciousness.

  103. 103
    Svensker says:


    Just be sure you have a look at the surgeon’s end result. I have a friend who was absolutely butchered. Not having the weight is great but she looks awful without clothes. I’ve been trying to talk her into suing.

  104. 104
    eemom says:

    @Rosie Outlook:

    Sorry about that. Mine are standard Ds.

    Also too, there are gay men who like boobs. I had a friend in college who was fascinated by them. The weather barometer, he used to call me. Ah, the braless days of youth.

  105. 105
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Thanks!

  106. 106
    RedKitten says:

    @cathyx: Appreciate the sentiment (it’s one I’ve voiced during many a discussion about nursing in public) but definitely didn’t intend for my light comment to spark a debate…

  107. 107
    RareSanity says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Anytime I can share items that are funny, and at the expense of conservatives and firebaggers, I feel it my duty to do so.

  108. 108
    danielx says:

    @Rosie Outlook:

    Nah, we prefer the abusive approach.

    Speaking of abuse, IU is abusing Michigan in a serious way at the moment.

    Crush ’em like a grape!

  109. 109
    RareSanity says:


    Anyone…male or female…that would speak negatively about boobies, says more about themselves, than the object of their scorn.

    Not liking boobies…well, that’s downright un-American.

  110. 110
    eemom says:


    You do realize that their raison d’etre is to feed a baby, right?

    Jesus Christ, that is fucking ridiculous. WTF are you, the Taliban?

  111. 111
    RedKitten says:

    @Svensker: Oh that’s terrible!!! Yes, I’ve also heard of some women getting really bad results. My surgeon is a specialist in hand reconstruction. I figured if she had that much attention to fussy detail, to specialize in something as complicated and intricate as the human hand, then surely she’d do a good job on my chest.

  112. 112
    J. Michael Neal says:


    Is Amanda related to Phil?

    She’s his younger sister and she backchecks more in one period than he will all season. With 37 goals and 45 assists in 27 games she’s the overwhelming favorite to win the Patty Kazmaier (think Heisman for women’s hockey) this year. And she’s doing it without being fully healthy at any point this season.

  113. 113
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eemom: I’ve found that many human body parts are capable of multitasking.

  114. 114
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @RedKitten: Even if I could afford the surgery, I really don’t qualify, as if I return to my normal weight, as I should, I’d be a mere D.

  115. 115
    RedKitten says:

    @eemom: Well, it’s not really ridiculous. Their PRIMARY purpose is to feed babies. And a lot of times that does get forgotten in our society…so we get weirded out by nursing mothers, but blithely walk past a Victoria’s Secret billboard with nary a shrug.

  116. 116
    Mnemosyne says:


    Watching it now. The only scene that makes me cry is the Marseillaise.

  117. 117
    Raven says:

    Tamale batch #1 verdict, not to shabby!

  118. 118
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @RedKitten: People who object to public breast feeding tick me off. Babies have just as much right to eat in public as anyone else. Assholes. (The objectors, that is, not the babies.)

  119. 119
    Cassidy says:

    Boobs? Pics or they didn’t happen.

  120. 120
    cathyx says:

    @eemom: So if someone believes the the purpose of breasts is to feed a baby, then they must be a member of the taliban. You are amazing.

  121. 121
    Corner Stone says:


    Tamale batch #1 verdict, not to shabby!

    I’ve been meaning to chime in but have been distracted by the boobs.
    Just freakin’ buy a few dozen tamales at your local Catholic Church. There is almost always a fundraiser going on for some family and a few older women are making them by the batch to sell.
    There has never been a reason to actually make tamales on your own, IMO. One serious pain in the ass.

  122. 122
    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Me too.

  123. 123
    eemom says:

    Further to the topic of boobs, and surgery: it has been my scientific observation in gym locker rooms that it is extremely obvious when they have been, erm, worked up.

    They look like freakin balloons. IMO.


  124. 124
    RedKitten says:

    @Rosie Outlook: What ticks me off even more is when people accept it when it’s a young, attractive mother, but call it gross if the mother isn’t model-hot. Cause you know, only babies of PRETTY people deserve to eat right away when they’re hungry.

  125. 125
    eemom says:


    I was referring to your prissy ass attitude that that’s ALL they are for.

  126. 126
    eric says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: when Rick lets the couple win roullette tears me up cause it is the turning point

    “we will be there at 6.” “I will be there at 10”

    “are my eyes really brown.”

    It is my favorite movie, bar none.

  127. 127
    Corner Stone says:

    I recently had to explain to my 8 yr old who Dikembe Mutombo was, because he asked me who the guy on the commercial making JJ Watt’s signature move was. Hilarity ensued.

  128. 128
    cathyx says:

    @eemom: Show me the word ‘all’ in my comment.

  129. 129
    Raven says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ever see The Cheap Detective? Hilarious Neil Simon take off on Bogie flick with a great cast including Falk, Sid Caesar, John Houseman, Scatman Crothers, Madeline Kanh, Marsha Mason and a cast of thousands. Great parody of the Marseillaise scene.

  130. 130


    Being a gurl I can spot fake tits a mile off. Us with normal ones are usually lob sided, the surgery enhanced ones are too perfect, nice and even.

  131. 131
    Corner Stone says:

    @Raven: One of the all time greats. All Time Greats.
    Anyone who hasn’t seen The Cheap Detective is cheating themselves.
    “I told you we would not get away with it! I told you it was stupid idea! I told you I could not say “bourbles”! You are pretty fast on your tippy-toes, Mr. Peckinbush!”

  132. 132
    Corner Stone says:


    Us with normal ones are usually lob sided

    Umm, what?

  133. 133
    Raven says:

    @Corner Stone: Even Paul Williams is good.

  134. 134
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Corner Stone: Better than Murder by Death?

  135. 135
    Anne Laurie says:

    @Suffern ACE: I can’t believe it took so long for the fearless BJ commentariat to point that out! Cole presumably felt that “Spending the best part of the evening with my moobs out” just didn’t have the same eclat!

  136. 136
    SiubhanDuinne says:


    I didn’t see it tonight. Still on the road and for some reason this hotel doesn’t have TCM. But I love every scene and every line, and when I get home I will haul out the DVD and have a nice little wallow.

  137. 137
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Alright ladies. Take yer corners and come out with yer boobs swinging when you hear the bell.

  138. 138
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Anne Laurie: Maybe we are having a polite evening. Okay, never mind.

  139. 139
    Raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: It really is, best quote from the Cheap Detective himself “No tip, war veteran”!

  140. 140
    WaterGirl says:

    @Corner Stone: I think the term we use here is lopsided. As in one might be a little different from the other. That’s my guess, anyway.

    It may just have been an auto-correct issue, changing lop to lob.

  141. 141
    Yutsano says:


    Also too, there are gay men who like boobs

    :: waves furiously ::

  142. 142
    SarahT says:

    @Donut: Verti-Marte, YAY ! No longer Dirty-Verti since they had to rebuild, but still awesome, with or without the mushrooms.

  143. 143
    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m not going to say “better”, but I happen to be hugely biased for anything with Madeline Kahn. And I mean, Ann-Margret just about melts the damn screen off she’s so smokin’ hot.

  144. 144
    eric says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: there is no such thing as too much bogie for me….i love watching him….every one in taht movie is brilliant….the way bergman’s eyes glisten.

  145. 145
  146. 146
    redshirt says:

    @eric: Right on Asteroids fighter! I am with you 110%. When you’re real good at Asteroids, and you can move that little ship however you want, and plink asteroids or saucers however you want, pretty much as long as you want, is zen. Power zen.

    And it is clearly Asteroids which will save Earth in the near future. Duh! Your Galaga skills will be useless.

  147. 147
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @Corner Stone: Yeah, yeah, that’s the all-purpose men’s excuse. “I was distracted by the boobs.”.


  148. 148
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Corner Stone: Hotter than Melissa Harris-Perry?

  149. 149
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: I’ve known a couple of women who found it to be confidence enhancing. Both started basically flat-chested and were self-conscious about it. Both also did not go overboard on size, so they looked fairly natural. The social pressures that caused them to be self-conscious are, of course, another matter entirely.

  150. 150
    Anne Laurie says:


    We did our 42 flight stair climb today in full bunker fear and air pack. It took me 26 mins, but I wasn’t in a hurry.

    Some fifteen years ago, I had to descend 60 floors in my closest approximation to a hurry, with many anxious co-workers around me and a couple dozen pumped-up firefighters moving in the opposite direction. It confirmed my suspicion that I did not want to do that for a living, not in this or any other lifetime.

    There was another ‘smoke incident’ in that same building maybe five years later. Even though my department had been moved down to the 23rd floor, I still made it my business to join the paraplegic, the guy in an ankle cast, and the eight-and-three-quarters-month pregnant woman in decamping to the service elevator instead…

    Kudos to you, and I hope the anti-inflammatories are your friends!

  151. 151
    Donut says:


    Uh, yeah, if you’re not sexually attracted to women, I could see how you would think that their “raison d’etre” is to just to feed babies.

    However, as a straight guy who considers his wife the smartest, most amazing person he’s ever met, and who’s helped create two kids with her, and is a deeply involved/hands-on dad, I will tell you it’s a damn fine thing that my wife also has a great rack. The rack is part of the whole package, Cathy. Lots of babies get made thanks to great racks being part of the picture. Trust me on that. Feedin’ babies aren’t what they exist for, which is what “raison d’etre” means, no? They have other purposes, one of which is they are attractive to men who want to reproduce, or at least practice at reproducing.

    We haven’t even really gotten into what ladies, straight and otherwise, like about boobies.

    In short, as the wise-man once said, “lighten up, Francis”

    Good day!

  152. 152
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @Yutsano: I’ll let the girls know that you’re on their side. But my neck still gets sore.

  153. 153
    redshirt says:

    Asteroids is the best arcade game ever, and I’m prepared to defend this point – even over Defender. It’s pure art. And zen.

    Pacman and Ms. Pacman are the only other contenders. But seriously, how’s that game gonna save the Earth?

  154. 154
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @Donut: You sound like you were distracted by the boobs. You also sound like a man in love. How lovely for you both, and I wish you many happy returns.

  155. 155
    Cassidy says:

    @Anne Laurie: 42 floors hurt like hell, but the amber cider is working much better than any NSAIDS.

  156. 156

    @redshirt: Defender, Asteroids, Galaga … and Missile Command.

    The Earth will be saved, come what may.

  157. 157
    Phylllis says:

    @Mnemosyne: Every time. Must be a rank sentimentalist.

  158. 158
    Donut says:


    If you’ve been there, you know. That’s all I can say.

    For whatever reason you find yourself in New Orleans, it’s worth it to go there and get you a nice sammich.

  159. 159
    Narcissus says:

    yeah who can stand tits that are perfect and uniform amirite

  160. 160
    Rosie Outlook says:

    I will now return to the book I’m attempting to write. After this evening, I will not be surprised if the hero finds himself distracted by the boobs at a critical moment.

  161. 161
    Yutsano says:

    @Cassidy: Hard cider has a way of making many things in life much better.

    Ordered lasagna and spanakopita. About as Greek as I can get on relatively short notice!

  162. 162
    Corner Stone says:

    @Rosie Outlook: I’m sorry..uh…you were saying?

  163. 163
    redshirt says:

    @BruceFromOhio: I suppose it is wise to have a bunch of different skillsets, just in case.

    Still though, meteors count as asteroids, right? Also too, there might be an Asteroids movie in development. Which would be terrible/awesome.

  164. 164
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Try phrasing it as the “Metaphysics of Boobs and 70s arcade games.” It probably won’t fool her, but what the hell.

  165. 165
    Rosie Outlook says:

    @efgoldman: There is an entire site dedicated to manboobz, in the sense of dumb guys. It can be pretty funny.

  166. 166
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @redshirt: You’ve clearly never played Dance Dance Revolution.

  167. 167
    redshirt says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: You got that right. But somehow I think it lacks the pure artistry that is Asteroids. Or Pac Man.

    I was never very good at Pac Man or Ms. Anybody here? I remember watching some kids that were good and they were amazing, since it was a lot of repetitive patterns executed in a certain order, which they had practiced and memorized. Training at its finest.

  168. 168
    eric says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: what will save the world: boobs or asteroids? discuss amongst yoruselves

  169. 169
    Corner Stone says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    “Metaphysics of Boobs and 70s arcade games.”

    “Reproductive Persuasions and the Existential Survival Instinct”

  170. 170
    Corner Stone says:


    what will save the world: boobs or asteroids? discuss amongst yoruselves

    Without boobs is the world really worth saving?

  171. 171
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @eric: I believe that there is a cream for asteroids.

    @Corner Stone: Not bad.

  172. 172
    Donut says:

    @Rosie Outlook:

    You might think that boobs distracted me, or something, but let me tell you, I met the woman in an AOL chat room in 1999. We lived 2,000 miles apart when we met online.

    I fell hard for her before I ever laid eyes on her face, let alone her boobs.

  173. 173
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @cathyx: So what’s the primary purpose of the tongue? Is it similarly wrong or obnoxious to have an opinion about other purposes to which it might be put?

  174. 174
    daize says:

    @WaterGirl: Warm and fuzzy time needs the Tunchmeister. I could use a pic of the fluffy terror.

  175. 175
    J. Michael Neal says:

    @efgoldman: Amanda forechecks, too, but it gets kind of lost because Kelly Terry should be in a carnival freakshow billed as The One Woman Forecheck. She also holds the John Madden Memorial Player Most Likely to Set Her On Hair on Fire Award; she and Madden come from eastern Toronto so it must be the way they teach them there.

  176. 176
    dead existentialist says:

    @FlipYrWhig: cathyx likes to wag hers, apparently.

  177. 177
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @J. Michael Neal: Madden is Canadian?

  178. 178
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @RareSanity: thanks for the link. I honestly cannot stand reddit’s interface, but i’ll suffer like Dear Leader requires for this.

  179. 179
    ruemara says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: If I could I’d do it. 1. I’d like to be perfect for once in my life. 2. I wouldn’t have them engorged, I’d have them ensmallened so I fulfill my fantasy of going for a run without a bra. Or wearing of those silly confections for the A cup crowd. lucky girls, they get the prettiest underpinnings.

    However, boobs are like chocolate. A universal good.

  180. 180
    Svensker says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Just freakin’ buy a few dozen tamales at your local Catholic Church. There is almost always a fundraiser going on for some family and a few older women are making them by the batch to sell.

    What kinda Catholics you got? The Jersey ones made/sold lasagna and pasta fazool. The Tronton Catholics would make Cozido Portuguesa or tourtiere and poutine. I ain’t never seen no Catholic tamales roun here.

  181. 181
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Svensker: Mmmmm, poutine.

  182. 182
    Anne Laurie says:


    I fell hard for her before I ever laid eyes on her face, let alone her boobs.

    On the other hand, the Spousal Unit still sentimentally recalls the day, almost 40 years ago, when he first realized the new girl at the university sf club wasn’t wearing a brassiere.

    It was the 70s, and I was only an A-cup back then…

  183. 183
    Anne Laurie says:


    However, boobs are like chocolate. A universal good.

    There’s another line that needs to go into the rotating tags roster!

  184. 184
    Raven says:

    @Corner Stone: Sorry I missed this.

    1. I’m in fucking Georgia and the local whatever the fuck you call it doesn’t have and goodamn tamale sales.
    2. I’m making them for our superbowl party and I enjoy it.
    3. Tomorrow I’m going to make the vegetarian tamales in banana leaves.

  185. 185
    eemom says:


    Ordered lasagna and spanakopita. About as Greek as I can get on relatively short notice!


    Yootz. I thought you understood. : (

  186. 186
    Donut says:


    I’m thinking maybe it’s the kind of Catholic church that is closer to Mexico than not?

  187. 187
    4tehlulz says:

    @redshirt: I’m imagining an Asteroids movie done all in vector graphics.

    It is awesome.

  188. 188
    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The hockey one, yes.

  189. 189
    Raven says:

    @Donut: And if you do get them around here they are made with lard and many of the people I know would go to fallin out if they even thought about eating lard.

  190. 190
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Donut: In Wisconsin, we have some Lutheran churches that have lutefisk dinners. Not as many as the Minnesotans though.

    @J. Michael Neal: Aha, that makes more sense. I was thinking of the football one.

  191. 191
    Raven says:

    Someone needs to slap the shot out of Crean.

  192. 192
    Corner Stone says:


    What kinda Catholics you got? The Jersey ones made/sold lasagna and pasta fazool. The Tronton Catholics would make Cozido Portuguesa or tourtiere and poutine. I ain’t never seen no Catholic tamales roun here.

    The Hispanic kind. I’m in Texas, or as it may be better known, “God’s Country”.

    And I feel very confident that in just about every part of GA you can find a fundraiser going on where they be sellin delish tamales by the half or whole dozen.
    If not, go to a local icehouse about midnight and catch the guy selling tamales with a couple different salsas.
    But watch out for the green salsa. It will put you on the throne the entire next day.

  193. 193
    redshirt says:

    Asteroids fun facts:

    Although a 2D world, it creates a 3D reality with the use of “the wrap” – an object exiting screen left appears on screen right at the same momentum and trajectory. Thus, the reality of Asteroids is a sphere – this is critical to “Feel” at an intuitive level for expert play.

    The ship itself has a drag as if through an atmosphere on Earth, but it is light, as it might be in an actual asteroid field with all those objects creating gravitational attractions and thus slowing the craft when not using power. This is a complicated calculation for a video game in 1979!

    Asteroids cheat – if you clear all the asteroids but one or two and leave them, you can score indefinitely by waiting on the edge of the screen for the small saucer to show up, then blasting it. 1000 points each time. You’ve got to be a quick shot for this trick to work, but once you are, mo’ money.

    Wikipedia tells me that although, as we all know, Asteroids is one of the classic “Roll Over” games of the 1970’s – at 99,999 – there is still somehow a world record in Asteroids. It currently stands at 41 million and change. Good luck beating that!

  194. 194
    Donut says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    A man is not a camel. Or something.

  195. 195
    Raven says:

    @Corner Stone: I already spent the day making them, what’s you point?

  196. 196
    Yutsano says:

    @eemom: Teh Wiki agrees with me. Coming from the south of Italy that actually makes sense. Sicily is half Greek anyway.

  197. 197
    scav says:

    @eric: Of these two scenario, which is more likely?

    Guy focused on asteroid, distracted by boobs.
    Guy focused on boobs, distracted by asterid.

    (continue discussion)

  198. 198
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    AL or any other Massachussites, is this a big deal?

    Republican Richard Tisei, a former minority leader in the Massachusetts state senate and a candidate for U.S. House in 2012, said in a statement Saturday that he will not run in the state’s special election to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by Secretary of State John Kerry.

    This is the guy who lost to the guy who’s wife and BIL were running some kind of scam? And I as I recall he was the next Paul Ryan Marco Rubio Scott Brown? Is the GOP bench in MA that thin?

  199. 199
    Svensker says:

    @Donut: Well, yeah. I was just surprised by the confidence of the statement.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Sadly, I have yet to try poutine. It’s just that I sort of got off fries anyway… and then with that gloppy gravy and the curds… So far, not worth the carbs and the clogged arteries. But one of these days I’ll braven up.

    I HAVE made a tourtiere and wow was it yummy, if I say so myself. Also, too, Nanaimo bars.

  200. 200
    Raven says:

    @Svensker: Is that like poon-tang?

  201. 201
    Donut says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    …and one thing you never want to be is a fish on any given Friday in Wisconsin.

  202. 202
    Svensker says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    In Wisconsin, we have some Lutheran churches that have lutefisk dinners.

    Gag. Barf. Aaacckkk.

  203. 203
    Corner Stone says:

    @Raven: Just that you like to make things hard on yourself.

  204. 204
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Svensker: I love poutine. It may be the French Canadian in my ancestry surfacing.

    @Donut: No sir, you do not.

  205. 205
    Suffern ACE says:

    @scav: in the second scenario, is asterid Swedish or Danish?

  206. 206
    Raven says:

    @Corner Stone: Dawg, I love to cook.

  207. 207
    Svensker says:

    @Yutsano: Plus lasagna is an obvious cousin of pastissio and moussaka.

  208. 208
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: This won’t end well.

  209. 209
    Svensker says:


    For some people it seems to be. :)

  210. 210
    Yutsano says:


    Nanaimo bars

    :: drools ::

    Those are soooo addictive. And Nanaimo is a really cute little town too.

  211. 211
  212. 212
    Donut says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It is there, just in case, you know, you ever need it.

  213. 213
    Alison says:

    A Few Good Men is about to be on TV. I’ve never seen it. Should I watch it? It seems like one of those everyone’s seen except me, and everyone seems generally to like, so I feel like I might as well…yeah?

  214. 214
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Svensker: Every time I go to the one food cart in Madison that sells good poutine, I look for the really hot French-Canadian girl I saw there once. Just lovely, she was.

  215. 215
    Svensker says:


    Those are soooo addictive

    The Dutch Girls bakery in Lynden, WA, has the best Nanaimo bars in the (known) world, no offense, Canada. They have lots of great flavors besides the classic, but the Baileys Irish Cream ones are unbelievably good. The peanut butter ones are pretty yummy, too. And the raspberry cream. Sigh.

  216. 216
    PurpleGirl says:

    @Svensker: Back in my paralegal days, one of the senior attorneys brought back some lutefisk from a trip to Iceland. I politely declined the offer to try some.

  217. 217
    redshirt says:

    Asteroids Parable: Is it stealing if you take quarters from the Snack Bar register and play Asteroids with them? During dead time at the movie theater? Quarters that MGMT is collecting?

    Such that no revenue is lost – either at the Snack Bar or the Asteroids machine. Rather, the quarters are moved from one location to another.

  218. 218
    Raven says:

    @Alison: Nicholson is great.

  219. 219
    Svensker says:


    Excellent move. The politeness was a nice touch but if you’re ever backed into a corner and threatened with the stuff, punch hard and RUN.

  220. 220
    sb says:

    @Alison: Worth the watch, IMO. 3 out of 4 star kind of movie.

  221. 221
    sb says:

    Just finished watching all 13 episodes of House of Games.

    Very, very strong performances from all involved. Loved the parallels to Macbeth. A shade slow in spots but I’m an acting fan and for that alone I couldn’t keep my eyes off it.

  222. 222
    AliceBlue says:

    I’m watching the Puppy Bowl tomorrow. How can you pass up a kitteh halftime show and hedgehog cheerleaders?

  223. 223
    scav says:

    @Suffern ACE: oooh, now there’s a typo leading to a greater issue to ponder. For the sake of an o, the point was lost. (not that a pint isn’t a bad second-best for a saturday night.)

    And if we’re wandering into poutine, there are also horseshoes to consider.

  224. 224

    @PurpleGirl: Could be worse, it could have been “rotted shark”.

  225. 225
    Alison says:

    @Raven: @sb: Alright, giving it a shot. Better than watching a bunch of episodes of 48 Hours I’ve probably already seen.

  226. 226
    Yutsano says:

    @efgoldman: I got distracted actually. My Dore moment. :)

    The MRI is on the hips. They’re going to decide on whether to do a hip core decompression or a full hip replacement. I’ll most likely know by the end of next month. An then I gotta start making even more plans for the surgery, since either option has different pluses and drawbacks. But it’s a good excuse to get dinner with friends too since I have to go to the city to do it.

  227. 227
    Valdivia says:

    I am having flashbacks of the Dem primary in 2008. The NYT with a piece about how great Hillary is really to take credit for anything good that happened in the last 4 years. I hate the way her people constantly try to elevate her by cutting everyone else down, specially Obama.

  228. 228
    Raven says:

    @Alison: I hope it’s not a “edited” version.

  229. 229
    eemom says:


    Plus lasagna is an obvious cousin of pastissio and moussaka.

    Most respectfully, only in a Mediterranean version of “they all look the same.”

  230. 230
    Alison says:

    @Raven: Probably, it’s on AMC. Is there anything major that would get cut out? I mean, other than swear words.

  231. 231
    Raven says:

    @Alison: Yea, there’s no really graphic violence.

  232. 232
    Svensker says:

    @eemom: @eemom:

    Actually, lasagna probably did come from the Greeks to the Italians. And the word “pastitsio” comes from the Italian (related to “pastiche”) and ultimately from the word for a pasta “pie” or made pasta dish. It’s all very jumbled there.

  233. 233
    NotMax says:

    @Corner Stone

    Had the pleasure of meeting Ms. Kahn once (there’s a pic of the 2 of us in the bottom of a box somewhere in this house). Same night I was hugged by John Forsythe, but that’s another story…

    Warm, extremely nice person.

    But boy howdy, didn’t realize until saw her up close in person how petite she was. Even after having seen her live on B’way in “On the Twentieth Century” several years earlier. Helluva cast. Besides Kahn it starred John Cullum, Kevin Kline and the ultra-amazing Imogene Coca.

  234. 234
    redshirt says:

    @Svensker: Think of most of Italian cuisine. No tomato until the New World. That changes everything, yes?

  235. 235
    Alison says:

    @Raven: I’m quite okay with that.

  236. 236
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Lutefisk is preserved in lye.

  237. 237
    Svensker says:

    @efgoldman: Baccalao and lutefisk are both made with cod.

    But baccalao is dried salt cod, which is reconstituted in water. It has a firm texture and a salty bite. If you don’t mind fish, it’s not too bad. My mom always made it in cream sauce with potatoes, but the Mediterraneans do garlic and tomato.

    Lutefisk is dried cod that is treated with lye. When it is prepared, it has a jelly-like texture and a pungent (vile) dead fish odor. It is horrid. No one eats it except crazed Scandihoovians.

  238. 238
    eemom says:


    No tomato until the New World.

    Aha! My husband seized upon that very fact to start an argument with eegrandmom during her recent visit.

    After all these years of being a hapless half WASP half Jew married into a Greek family, he’s finally figured out that the best defense is a good offense, or something.

  239. 239
    Yutsano says:

    @Svensker: Most eat it nowadays as a dare/bet food. It is horrific.

  240. 240
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: My grandfather used to tell stories of it being stacked outside a store like planks of wood and seeing a dog walk by and cock his leg on the stack. He insisted that it would have only improved the stuff.

  241. 241
    Svensker says:


    The tomato became extremely important in southern Italy. It’s hard to imagine “Italian” cooking without tomato sauce, but it’s really quite recent. Odd, huh?

  242. 242
    Svensker says:


    And if we’re wandering into poutine, there are also horseshoes to consider.

    Never heard of that. Interesting!

    I’m off to dyspeptic dreams! Night all.

  243. 243
    CaseyL says:

    Did someone mention lard? I am hoping lard gets rehabilitated, the way butter did, at least a little. It is a sad but maddening fact that the very best pie crusts and refried beans must be made with lard.

    I don’t eat either pie or refried beans often enough for the lard in them to be a threat to my health, but the imaginary Health Scold who lives in my head never lets me hear the end of it.

  244. 244
    NotMax says:

    The Maltese Falcon (Bogie version) is still such a hoot.

    Daresay that if one excised Sydney Greenstreet’s dialogue, the script would total maybe 5 pages.

  245. 245
    Mike in NC says:

    @Raven: I’ve been to Gitmo. That movie was a sad joke.

  246. 246
    Yutsano says:

    @CaseyL: Michael Symon is a one-man lard usage advocacy group. He loves the stuff for so many things including deep frying, which I never imagined using it for. But lard is really the purified fat of the pig, so its usage in those contexts makes sense. We just got so used to all fat = BAD BAD BAD that we forget we need fat to function. Our brains are 90% lipids. Lard is brain food!

  247. 247
    Mike in NC says:

    @Alison: 99% complete bullshit

  248. 248
    normal liberal says:


    there are also horseshoes to consider.

    No rational person consumes a horseshoe (or even the marginally less horrifying pony shoe) of their own volition. They are grotesque.

    And they are spreading. I live about 65 miles from Springfield, and the damn things are turning up in local restaurants. I can only invoke the “nuke it from orbit” suggestion.

  249. 249
    Anne Laurie says:


    The tomato became extremely important in southern Italy. It’s hard to imagine “Italian” cooking without tomato sauce, but it’s really quite recent. Odd, huh?

    As I understand it, the pre-tomato sauce base was either pesto-ish (basil & oil) or… garam. Rotted fish sauce.

    Since I loathe the taste of fish, I would never have survived in Classical Rome.

  250. 250
    handsmile says:

    @Svensker, @Yutsano:

    Lutefisk was prepared by my Swedish paternal grandmother for the family Christmas celebrations. Once any of the children became old enough to sit at the “adults” table, he/she was expected to eat a portion (only myself and an older female cousin ever earned that distinction before the time my grandma passed). It was a source of merriment to see whether we would eat more than a mouthful. As a holiday tradition, my father, uncles and aunts seemed to actually enjoy eating it; for my Irish-Swedish mother it was yet another occasion to hope that her children did not grow up to be like her in-laws.

    More than forty years later, I can recall how the reeking fish quivered on the plate. But I also still remember that the dish creeped me out far less than the ghastly forcemeat sausage that was also part of the Yulebord.

  251. 251


    Wikipedia, citing A History of the Tomato in Italy Pomodoro!, by David Gentilcore, states that tomato sauce & pasta dishes first appeared in the late 19th century. It’s amazing that it took over three hundred years.

  252. 252
    JCT says:

    @handsmile: A good friend of mine told a similar story – she couldn’t even mention lutefisk without visibly shuddering.

    As for me I am at a science meeting in Philly and just back from a marathon drinking session. Somehow I have to wake up and moderate an early session. This might be ugly.

  253. 253
    NotMax says:

    @James E. Powell

    The tomato was widely considered poisonous in most of Europe until roughly early to mid-19th century.

  254. 254
    Andrea says:

    Fortunately, my Swedish father didn’t like lutefisk.

    Mostly hockey, most of the time — watched the B’s win, local boys, the Sharks, are scoreless at the second intermission. Center Ice hasn’t been switched off yet.

  255. 255
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @JCT: Hydrate. But you know that.

  256. 256
    Corner Stone says:


    As for me I am at a science meeting in Philly and just back from a marathon drinking session. Somehow I have to wake up and moderate an early session.

    On a Sunday? Goodness. Science really is trying to kill God.

  257. 257


    How could such clueless people conquer most of the earth?

  258. 258
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @James E. Powell: Gun powder and smallpox.

  259. 259
    NotMax says:

    @James E. Powell

    Short answer: Gunpowder and smallpox.

  260. 260
    scav says:

    @NotMax: They figured chocolate out nearly immedietely though. Priorities.

  261. 261
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: Woohoo!

  262. 262
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: The Romans were conquering shit in the 19th century?

  263. 263
    Yutsano says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: The Italians in the 19th Century weren’t conquering bupkess. Hell, they were barely even a unified nation until 1880 or so. Not to mention that whole owned by the Austro-Hungarian empire thingie. But when one is dirt poor a funny red fruit brought from the Americas that looks an awful lot like deadly nightshade suddenly looks kinda tasty.

  264. 264
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: This and this are the comments that spawned my remark.

  265. 265
    FlyingToaster says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Is the GOP bench in MA that thin?


    There are like 4 Republicans left in the state senate. 30-odd left in the house.

    Tisei, despite being openly gay, went hard-right during the general against Tierney, and still lost against that dead-man-walking. His anti-Romneycare and anti-choice BS did him no favors on the North Shore, and would effing destroy him in a state-wide race.

    The GOP candidate will almost certainly need to either have Wall-Street backers or be able to self fund. Has anyone heard from Charlie Baker yet?

  266. 266
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Yutsano: The comment to which I was responding talked about Europe not Italy. God damn it.

  267. 267
    NotMax says:


    Actually, were sort of noodling about European exploration and conquest outside of Europe, not at all about the Roman Empire.

  268. 268
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax: More polite than I was being. Thanks. Bad week. Crankiness. Etc.

  269. 269
    handsmile says:

    Well, since there appears to be some good-natured (?) Italian historical pedantry going on here, I’ll play too: the Venetian Empire certainly conquered a fair amount of shit after the Visigoths.

    And there was all that unpleasantness in Ethiopia and East Africa in the 1930s.

  270. 270
    scav says:

    Even potatoes are being adopted more slowly than I otherwise expected. Germany sans kartoffeln!

  271. 271


    Well, since there appears to be some good-natured (?) Italian historical pedantry going on here

    I apologize for the original question. I suppose that a society can produce people who will sail the ocean sea, destroy civilizations, and subject populations, but remain completely obtuse about cuisine.

  272. 272
    NotMax says:

    @James E. Powell

    but remain completely obtuse about cuisine.

    Spotted Dick and Toad in the Hole.

    ’nuff said. :)

  273. 273
    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    @scav: (Pulls Duden dictionary off of bookshelf) I believe the phrase you’re looking for is “Germany ohne Kartoffeln”


  274. 274
    Yutsano says:

    @Thor Heyerdahl: Which in that case, it’s Deutschland ohne Kartoffeln.

    /further pedant

  275. 275
    joel hanes says:

    Just to tie the entire thread together:

    Lavender and Tea Tree Oils May Cause Breast Growth in Boys say the National Institutes of Health.

  276. 276
    scav says:

    And here I was trying to be pan European.

    note to self. needs more Italian.

    vive pedantry!

  277. 277
  278. 278
    Anne Laurie says:


    The GOP candidate will almost certainly need to either have Wall-Street backers or be able to self fund. Has anyone heard from Charlie Baker yet?

    Channel Five says Charlie thinks Bill Weld should “volunteer”. Sounds like neither of them much want the job, yes?

  279. 279
    YellowJournalism says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Alright ladies. Take yer corners and come out with yer boobs swinging when you hear the bell.

    After breast feeding a few children, they tend to do that from time to time.

  280. 280
    YellowJournalism says:

    Oh, and the best arcade game ever was Dragon’s Lair.

    Or the Pole Position machine at my local Shakey’s. At least, that’s what my six-year-old self would say.

  281. 281
    Cold War Zoomie says:

    I got a new shipment of chammomile from Upton Teas, and it is looking like home team is spending the night in fleece pajama bottoms…

    Yep, you sound like an Army vet!

  282. 282
    J R in W Va says:


    Dude, congratulations to your kids, that’s a lot of hard work as well as talent.

    Major props!

Comments are closed.