Pitching, defense, and the three run homer

Earl Weaver and Stan the Man RIP.

I’m too young to remember Stan as a player, but Earl Weaver will live in my heart for the quote “I gave Mike Cuellar more chances than I gave my first wife”.






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    redshirt says:

    I have a memory of Weaver smoking cigs in the dugout. Did I imagine this?

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    Steeplejack says:

    “I gave Mike Cuellar more changes chances than I gave my first wife.”

    Fix’d.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I read in one of his Obits that Weaver smoked through at least his first heart attack and, maybe, to his passing. Surprised someone so strong willed couldn’t beat the habit (and lived this long; I understand he was a chain smoker). I hope he and Ron Luciano are greeting each other in appropriate fashion.

    Far too young to recall Musial, but, in these days of zero HOF inductees, I’ve heard nothing but how classy he was.

    RIP to both.

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    Doug Galt says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Thanks

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    ChrisB says:

    Stan the Man too, at age 92.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Steeplejack:
    Yeah, it was Cuellar who was giving people changes, and some screwballs.

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    The Dangerman says:

    Since this thread should pull in mostly the sports junkies, any one agree with me we will have the Harbaugh Super Bowl in a couple weeks? The Niners should abuse the Falcons and the HSB looks like destiny.

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    efgoldman says:

    This has been making the rounds today as the essential Earl.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpS-XFXxJvE
    There’s also one that I can’t find anywhere: Earl and Ron Luciano, a notorious showboat umpire, both miked and getting into it. The conversation went something like this, with Earl waving his arms and kicking dirt:
    Earl: “You’re gonna’ throw me out of this goddamned game.”
    Luciano: “I’m not gonna’ throw you outta’ this goddamned game!”
    Rinse and repeat.
    I think it was on this Week in Baseball, and I don’t remember if Earl finally got thrown out or not.

    I grew up in an AL city (Boston). The only time I saw Musial was in the second 1961 All Star game, at Fenway. I don’t remember any of it, except Colavito hit a typical Fenway blast to tie it 1-1, late. A short thunderstorm ensued, they called the game, and it was the only pre-Selig tie.

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    He was a frugal man. Weaver:

    “Economics played a role. Raleighs have gone from six fifty to nine dollars a carton, but there’s a three-quarter cent coupon on the back. You can get all kinds of things with them, blenders, everything. I saved up enough one time and got Al Bumbry.” Source: The Sporting News (July 22, 1985)

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    redshirt says:

    @The Dangerman: Please. There’s this little thing called “The Patriots” in the way of the Harbaugh Bowl. No small matter to overcome.

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    RossInDetroit, Rational Subjectivist says:

    A mystery has been solved. Every night the dog goes apeshit barking out the back windows. Today I actually LOOKED and saw a COLOSSAL opossum grooming himself on top of the shed 15 feet from the back door. I shot a bunch of pix for Facebook, then threw a boot at him. He didn’t go far, and he’ll be back. Between this and the hawk raid on the bird feeder around dinnertime it’s been critters galore out there today.
    What’s next? Bigfoot? Zombies? In any case, the dog will keep us informed.

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Dangerman:

    …read in one of his Obits that Weaver smoked through at least his first heart attack…

    Yup. He used to go just a little way down the runway and smoke during the game.
    Trivia: He smoked Walter Raleighs.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @redshirt:

    No small matter to overcome.

    No disagreement and a lot depends on the weather, but, the Ravens, pre-injuries were the early season favorites…

    …and they’ve gotten healthy.

    The 2nd game should be some old school, smash mouth football. I’m still calling Baltimore (who all need to buy Rahim Moore a nice vacation).

    ETA: Healthy may be a stretch; healthy enough to play.

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    JWL says:

    RIP, Stan The Man.

    His baseball career? What can you say? The Man was great.

    But it is also a fact that Musial is one of the (relative) handful of people that heard the Remagen Bridge collapse in March of 1945. He was attached to an engineering corps that was called on to protect the Rhine crossing when the stakes were the death of Nazi Germany. He dodged death at that river’s edge by a few minutes.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @RossInDetroit, Rational Subjectivist:

    What’s next? Bigfoot? Zombies?

    In what universe are they a rational progression from hawks and opossums? The next steps up will be skunks, raccoons, and maybe the occasional coyote. Oh, and deer. You don’t have start worrying seriously until you get bear and wolves.

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    khead says:

    Earl Weaver Baseball was awesome.

    Two walks and a three run homer has become a bit irritating now that American League games average 8.7 hours.

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    RossInDetroit, Rational Subjectivist says:

    @Roger Moore:

    We’ve already had skunks, pheasants and raccoons, and there are coyotes in the area. Too many fences and too much traffic for deer.
    The Detroit Zoo is 1/4 mile away and there’s also a big old golf course. It’s critter heaven. But a little exhausting.

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Dangerman:

    …and they’ve gotten healthy.

    They haven’t gotten any younger or faster.

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    PeakVT says:

    Weaver was ejected from games at least 91 times during the regular season (98, according to one source)[2] and several more times during post-season play. He was ejected from both ends of a doubleheader three times. He was ejected before a game started twice (both times by Ron Luciano[3]). Luciano alone ejected him from all four games of a minor-league series and eight games in the majors.[4]

    Before a game even started? Now that’s talent.

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    efgoldman says:

    @PeakVT:

    Before a game even started? Now that’s talent

    He must have been a hockey player at heart. You’ve seen the occasional game where major penalties are called before the puck drops.

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    catatonia says:

    @efgoldman:

    I love the fact about Weaver’s tirade that he launched it in the top of the first.

    Kind of poignant to see in that clip that it’s Mike Flanagan — who committed suicide last year — who was the O’s starter in that game.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Hunter Gathers:

    OT – From The Annals of the Unpossible

    See four threads down.

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    @PeakVT: It was a joy to watch the man work. RIP, Earl of Baltimore.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Comrade Javamanphil:

    It was a joy to watch the man work. RIP, Earl of Baltimore.

    Not here in Boston, it wasn’t. Nor other AL cities. He and his terrific team beat the crap out of them regularly.

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    Hunter Gathers says:

    @efgoldman: Cripes. Perhaps I should, I don’t know, scroll down before posting something I think is clever. Reading skillz? I haz none.

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    PeakVT says:

    @efgoldman: Yeah, well, those day are gone, at least until the Asbestos Avenger kicks it and someone else gets the team.

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    Raven says:

    Falcons comin to get you ass.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @The Dangerman:

    Seattle was supposed to tear the Falcons apart too. Now I wouldn’t bet lots of money on the Falcons (if I were a betting man, which I’m not), but nothing’s a done deal yet.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @PeakVT:

    Before a game even started? Now that’s talent.

    It happens. The manager wants to restart the previous night’s (or previous series’) argument, and the umpire doesn’t want to hear it any more the second time.

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    Raven says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: That is correct.

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    FredW says:

    My Dad’s family was from St Louis and my earliest baseball memory was going to a Cardinals game at the old Sportsman Park with my Dad, uncle and Granddad. This must have been ’58 (or maybe ’59). Stan the Man hit a home run that day and I have been a Cardinals fan ever since.

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    redshirt says:

    @PeakVT: The O’s were so close to making the playoffs last year. I was rooting for the Sox to take down the Yanks at the end of the year so the O’s could make it. But nope, Sox sucked that bad. Sorry!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Roger Moore:

    The manager wants to restart the previous night’s (or previous series’) argument, and the umpire doesn’t want to hear it any more the second time.

    Some managers (Terry Francona) get thrown out on purpose to get their team out of a funk. I doubt that even the most sabrey of sabremeticians keep stats on whether it works.
    Earl (and Bobby Cox) got ejected so often, I doubt they did it consciously for team stimulation purposes.

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    redshirt says:

    @The Dangerman: Ravens have played an extra game and a half more than the Pats the last three weeks. That’s gonna add up for a team as old as the Ravens. Also, the Ravens D is not what it used to be, by far. Also, while I am nervous as heck and could easily enough see the Ravens winning, I ask myself (and you) this:

    Are the Ravens a better team than last year’s AFC Championship contender? I say no.

    Are the Patriots a better team than last year? I’d say most definitely.

    So, given the league’s number one offense and an improved, healthy defense, and home field advantage, it’s hard to see the Pats losing in most scenarios. They’re the superior team with superior conditions.

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    efgoldman says:

    @redshirt:

    Sox sucked that bad.

    Yes, yes they did. I’m not expecting much more this year.

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    MattR says:

    @redshirt: The O’s made the playoffs last year. Beat Texas in the new wild card round and then lost to the Yankees

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    redshirt says:

    @MattR: Ah yes. I meant win the division. But can no longer edit. Also too, I’ve had like 15 concussions and am old enough to wander if I got that NFL disease. Hrmm.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @efgoldman:

    Earl (and Bobby Cox) got ejected so often, I doubt they did it consciously for team stimulation purposes.

    Bobby Cox supposedly did it to protect his players. When he thought one of them was risking ejection by arguing with the umpire, he’d go out there and start arguing to draw the attention away from his player. It’s supposed to work fairly well as a tactic.

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    redshirt says:

    The Coach/Umpire arguing scene in “Naked Gun” always makes me think of Weaver.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Seattle was supposed to tear the Falcons apart too.

    Well, but for some Wilson/Carroll brain cramps, Seattle wins that game (yes, yes, I know, and how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln). Atlanta showed they can’t handle a QB who runs and the Niner QB (whose name I won’t even try to spell; shit, change it to Johnson or Adams or something if you are going to replace a Smith) may not be as good as Wilson, but if Atlanta didn’t figure out how to play a mobile QB in a week, they have problems.

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    PeakVT says:

    @redshirt: Last year was the first good year in a long while. The most recent previous winning season was in 1997, after which Davey Johnson quit after tangling with Angelos over a rather trivial matter.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: I hope they do. I frankly miss the heartbreak Sox who could never win anything. They might come close, but nada. These 21st century Sox leave me wanting.

    I want my sawdust and vomit Sox back, not these corporate stooges.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    @catatonia:

    That’s what gets me too about that Weaver clip, it’s about 2 batters into the game.

    Some background on that clip.

    It was filmed for a program called PM Magazine, a syndicated program where they filmed magazine-style segments, and then fronted the program with local presenters to give it a local feel, and then showed in the early evening typically. It was a kind of happy/feely early evening non-thinking magazine kind of program.

    They got permission to wire the first base umpire for a kind of “day in the life of an umpire” segment, and then unexpectedly this confrontation happened.

    The baseball people at the park were concerned that this might get out and they demanded the tape back. While the crew were talking to the baseball people, one of the crew hustled the tape offsite in a van while the rest of the crew stayed to talk to the baseball people about the tape, and that’s why you’re able to see this clip today.

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    👽 Martin says:

    @Roger Moore:

    You don’t have start worrying seriously until you get bear and wolves.

    Bobcats. We had one in our yard a few weeks back. They can make your day interesting. The mountain lions are a mile away or so. Hopefully they don’t start showing up. They’ll really ruin your day.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @redshirt:

    Are the Ravens a better team than last year’s AFC Championship contender?

    Hey, at least they no longer have a kicker named Succup that lived up to his name and the receiver might catch the ball at crunch time this year.

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    redshirt says:

    @Mornington Crescent: Sweet. So they got neither the express or written consent of MLB?

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    efgoldman says:

    @The Dangerman:

    …and the Niner QB …may not be as good as Wilson,

    Small sample, but from what I’ve seen, he’s better.

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    efgoldman says:

    @redshirt:

    I want my sawdust and vomit Sox back, not these corporate stooges.

    Well, yeah, but these corporate stooges brought the first champeenships since 1918. I have the new SI in the house, but haven’t got to that story yet.

    ETA: OTOH, its been many years since I could actually afford to go to Fenway for a game. Last Sox game I went to was actually at Camden Yards, and they raise the prices 30% for Sox and Evil Empire games.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mornington Crescent:

    The baseball people at the park were concerned that this might get out and they demanded the tape back. While the crew were talking to the baseball people, one of the crew hustled the tape offsite in a van…

    Did something like that happen to the Luciano tape when he refused to throw Earl out?

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    PeakVT says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say it wasn’t a Juicer who blew $4.62 million on the original Batmobile today.

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    the Conster says:

    Where’s the hockey talk? Da Broonz looked in fine form, and beat the Rangers fair and square, with fights and everything! RIP Earl Weaver and all that, but it’s the fucking middle of January, and it’s hockey time!

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    efgoldman says:

    @PeakVT:

    …who blew $4.62 million on the original Batmobile today.

    Somebody’s gotta’ say it: HOLY SIMOLEONS, BATMAN!

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    Jeffro says:

    Gawd help us all if we get the Non-Harbaugh Bowl, Atlanta vs. New England. I mean, who cares??

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    efgoldman says:

    @the Conster:

    Where’s the hockey talk?

    I couldn’t get interested enough. I blame Bettman.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: True, and while I enjoyed 2004 immensely, I also knew it to be the end of the Sox that I knew and loved. The tragic losers. No more! And so began the Era of the Pink Hats and led to the fall of Fried Chicken. Tragic, but not in a cool way.

    Back when I was young, you could walk up to Fenway before the game and get bleacher seats on some insignificant Tuesday for 5 bucks. At those kind of prices, why not go to 20-30 games a year? Good times.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Jeffro:

    Gawd help us all if we get the Non-Harbaugh Bowl, Atlanta vs. New England. I mean, who cares??

    The networks, I suspect. And me. I think Baltimore against either NFC team gets run out of the stadium.

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    redshirt says:

    @the Conster: I only jump on the bandwagon in the playoffs.

    I saw the Cup at a bar in the North End. It was wicked cool. Fulfilling my goal – to see (in person) all 4 of the major sports trophies. Yay Boston!

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Incidentally in that clip, when Weaver says “you’ll have your chance tomorrow”, he’s referring to the fact that umpires rotate their positions clockwise each game, so that the first base umpire will be able to screw over his team with calls behind the plate next game.

    Earl Weaver really knew which buttons to push on those umpires.

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    efgoldman says:

    @redshirt:

    Back when I was young, you could walk up to Fenway before the game and get bleacher seats on some insignificant Tuesday for 5 bucks.

    Oh hell yes. I grew up in Coolidge Corner, walking distance from Fenway, and went to school at BU, where I was in ’67, the impossible dream year. Up until mid-September you could buy walk up tickets, and good ones, too, for less than $5, not just bleachers.

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    redshirt says:

    @Jeffro: New England v. San Fran would be the best game.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Mornington Crescent:

    Earl Weaver really knew which buttons to push on those umpires.

    Is the ump identified anywhere?

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    different-church-lady says:

    My favorite Earl Weaver story:

    “One game I pitched I led off an inning getting the first batter to hit a ground ball to Cal, and it took a bad hop,” [Tommy] Flanagan recalled. “The next guy hits an easy fly to Singleton in right, but he loses it in the sun. Now there’s two on. Earl comes out, says ‘Don’t let them hit it on the ground and don’t let them hit it in the air,’ turns around an walks back. I get a line drive double play. As I walk in the dugout, Earl says, ‘Am I a fuckin’ genius or what?'”

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    @redshirt: No you’re not imagining Weaver’s smoking. Relief pitcher Don Stanhouse got the nickname “Full Pack” because of it.

    Stanhouse was great at pitching out of trouble. So much so that if he wasn’t in trouble he promptly pitched himself into a jam. Weaver would retreat to the tunnel and chainsmoke to deal with it.

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    efgoldman says:

    @redshirt:

    New England v. San Fran would be the best game.

    Maybe, but they’d have a better chance with the Falcons. Sort of like looking in a mirror.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: Word up! I lived in the Fenway for 15 years. Love/hate relationship but now that I’m gone it’s all love. Your old man days are well before mine, however. :) Still, 5$ bleacher seats IIRC in 1992.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @efgoldman: 1995: Sox have a chance to take the American League East that night. I hear on the radio there’s still seats available. I figure I’ve never seen a sports team clinch anything in person before so I took the T down to Fenway and bought an upper grandstand tick for maybe 18 bucks, and saw Mo Vaughn ride the police horse.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: No doubt. I was speaking objectively though, for the non-Pats fan. I’m afraid of the 49er’s like no other team in recent memory – speaking as a Pats fan.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @redshirt:

    Are the Ravens a better team than last year’s AFC Championship contender? I say no.

    Yeah, well, I say yes:

    Joe Flacco 2012 > Joe Flacco 2011
    Jacoby Jones >> Lee Evans
    Bernard Pierce > Ricky Williams
    Dannell Ellerbe > Jameel McClain
    Paul Kruger 2012 >> Paul Kruger 2011
    Justin Tucker >>>>>> Billy Cundiff

    We miss Lardarius Webb but Corey Graham & Chykie Brown have played well at CB and Cary Williams has improved. We miss Cory Redding more but Pernell McPhee is coming on now.

    Now that the OL is properly aligned (McKinnie-KO-Birk-Yanda-Oher) it’s playing at least as well as last year.

    To quote the immortal Johnny Unitas, “Talk is cheap–let’s play football.”

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    @efgoldman:

    Bill Haller. This clip is shown in umpire school on how not to handle an argument with a manager.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @redshirt:

    I saw the Cup at a bar in the North End. It was wicked cool

    are you related to Andy Brickley?

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    I mean an argument with a manager.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Yeah, well, I say yes…

    Oooold. So damned old. 95 in football player years (worse than dog years.) Almost 90 plays on D each of the last two weeks.Think they can do THAT again? Neither the Colts nor the Broncos play anywhere nearly as fast as New England.
    I predict a roughly even first half, then Pats wear the D down in the second.

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    @efgoldman: 1979. I was part-time at Hopkins and living within walking distance of Memorial Stadium. Student-discount tickets for upper deck seats were $1.50 and you could bring in your own beer. We’d go to the game just to watch the sunset on a nice night.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason:

    We’d go to the game just to watch the sunset on a nice night.

    My dad was stationed at Aberdeen when I was 10-12. I went to a day camp and the took us to a day game at the old stadium once each summer. I have only vague memories of seeing a baseball game. These were the Paul Richards/Gus Triandos/Tito Francona/Willie Miranda Os.

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    the Conster says:

    @redshirt:

    I said on this very blog two years ago as a Pats fan I wanted no part of the Pack when they were on their roll – and they went all the way. I’m rooting for Atlanta, big time.

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    Cacti says:

    Stan The Man had retired before I watched my first Cardinals game, but he was always a fixture in the organization, and a visible link to the team’s past.

    Baseball is the civic religion in St. Louis, and Musial was easily the most beloved Cardinal in its history.

    RIP Stan The Man.

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    Mike Jones says:

    I’m betting Earl finds a way to kick dirt on St. Peter’s shoes. And gets in anyway.

    I’ve always been a Sox fan, but you had to love (and respect) Earl. He was the only manager ever thrown out of a Senior League game. He didn’t have a sign for the hit-and-run. He said (at least two truly brilliant things):

    It’s what you learn after you know it all that counts.

    You can’t sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You’ve got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That’s why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

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    redshirt says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: I don’t think so. Who’s that?

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    redshirt says:

    @the Conster: For the Pats to win another SB (IF – big IF – they get by the Ravens), Atlanta has to be the opponent. SF will spank us again.

    You’d think it wouldn’t be so, given the “transitive property of football victories”: St. Louis went 1-0-1 against SF this year; The Patriots beat St. Louis 45-7 this year. Ergo, the Patriots should beat the 49ers 106-10.

    But surely it would not be so!

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @redshirt: Boston Bruins color commentator on NESN. He likes to use the word “wicked” a lot. “That was a wicked hahd slap shot there”

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    redshirt says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Ah. “Wicked” is the state word of Maine. I feel compelled to use it now – it’s a wicked pissah, after all.

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    efgoldman says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    He likes to use the word “wicked” a lot. “That was a wicked hahd slap shot there”

    Well, hell, so do half the people from this neck of the world. Usually (but never on the air) precedes “pissah.”
    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....d%20pissah

    ETA: Brick wasn’t a bad player, either. He was born in the ‘burbs North of Boston, played at UNH, and had a 14 year pro career (mostly, but not all, in the NHL.
    He was Mr. Irrelevant (the last pick) in the ’80 draft.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    Gus Triandos? Shit, that’s the first time in about 40+ years I’ve heard that name. Probably good for another 40.

    Who’s next, Dennis Ribant? Ed Brinkman?

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    handy says:

    @Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason:

    Good year to follow that team! A shame they couldn’t close it out against Pissburgh in the Series.

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    efgoldman says:

    @SFAW:

    Gus Triandos? Shit, that’s the first time in about 40+ years I’ve heard that name.

    And I remember that their TV sponsor was National Bohemian (do they still sell it?) and that their main announcer was Bailey Goss.
    How the hell do I remember that? Not the faintest idea.

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    SFAW says:

    @redshirt:
    @efgoldman:

    What, ah youse guys from Reveah?

    And no doubt you drive Honders.

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    handy says:

    @redshirt:

    I had a friend who used the same kind of argument to pick the Pats in the Superbowl over da Bears in (86?) because (I kid you not) the Pats beat the Dolphins during the regular season, the same team who handed the Bears their only loss in that Monday night game.

    Yeah dude was really collecting the following Monday.

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    efgoldman says:

    @SFAW:

    What, ah youse guys from Reveah?

    Brookline, originally, now Northern RI. And I drive a 2001 Nissan Fronteah with 140k+ miles.

    ETA: And “youse” is not part of any New England accent. You need to go about 220 miles Southwest for that.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    How the hell do I remember that?

    I hear (or heah, since yah from Bahston) that old farts like you remember a lotta useless shit.

    [Well, Coolidge Corner is technically paht of Brookline, I guess, so you get a little bit of a pass on your accent. But not much.]

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    efgoldman says:

    @handy:

    … used the same kind of argument to pick the Pats in the Superbowl over da Bears in (86?)

    Yeah, it was ’86. And with Tony Eason as QB, those Pats had as much of a chance against Da Bares as your local high school team would.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    And “youse” is not part of any New England accent. You need to go about 220 miles Southwest for that.

    Global warming has caused it to migrate Northeast.

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    smintheus says:

    This by Thomas Boswell is the best appreciation of The Earl that I’ve read today.

    For Weaver, the strain of the game was his certainty that he was often one of the few adults in the room. “You must remember that anyone under 30 — especially a ballplayer — is an adolescent,” he once told me. “I never got close to being an adult until I was 32. Even though I was married and had a son at 20, I was a kid at 32, living at home with my parents. Sure, I was a manager then. That doesn’t mean you’re grown up. Until you’re the person that other people fall back on, until you’re the one that’s leaned on, not the person doing the leaning, you’re not an adult. You reach an age when suddenly you realize you have to be that person. Divorce did it to me. It could be elderly parents, children . . . anything. But one day you realize, ‘It’s me. I’ve got to be the rock.’ ”

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    efgoldman says:

    @SFAW:

    Well, Coolidge Corner is technically paht of Brookline…

    Less than a mile from the city line in a couple of different directions.

    …old farts like you remember a lotta useless shit.

    That’s pretty much the same thing my (32 year old) daughter has been telling me since she was about ten. Hey, there was no Wikipedia then – somebody had to remember shit!

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    Punchy says:

    @Cacti: As a Cubs fan, I must politely tell your Cardinals to go eff themselves. That is all.

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    LosGatosCA says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Seattle did tear the Falcons apart – after they woke up when their natural biological alarm clock rang in the second half.

    The Falcons will likely give up over 150 rushing yards tomorrow, just to the RBs – Gore, James.

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    handy says:

    @Punchy:

    Hear effing hear!

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    efgoldman says:

    @Punchy:

    I must politely tell your Cardinals to go eff themselves. That is all.

    Yeah, but you couldn’t be pissed at Musial any more than other fans could be pissed at Ernie Banks.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    Hey, there was no Wikipedia then – somebody had to remember shit!

    Yeah, I know, I get that a lot, too. {ETA: from my own daughter, not from your daughter, of course.]

    And I was trying to cut you some slack re: Coolidge Corner. It’s not like Boston-proper has a lot of neighborhoods to recommend it. Southie? Eastie? Hyde Pahk? Mattapan? Even Dot is overrated.

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    @efgoldman: Natty Boh is still around, owned by Pabst and brewed out of state. I think it’s better than the piss Heileman turned it into. And somebody on the Eastern Shore bought the National Premium name last year and is brewing it as a microbrew.

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    trollhattan says:

    @efgoldman:

    Nope. He’s biggah, strongah, fastah, but Wilson has the football smarts. You’ll see (they play 2x/season).

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    redshirt says:

    @SFAW: JP. Or the Fenway.

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    redshirt says:

    @SFAW: I just spent 5 years in Melrose, which borders Reveah, so yeah, kinda, I guess?

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    efgoldman says:

    @SFAW:

    Southie? Eastie? Hyde Pahk? Mattapan? Even Dot is overrated.

    Boston’s changed a lot in the last 20 years. The waterfront in Southie, with the convention center and plans for about zillion more hotels, is getting very trendy. Southie North of Broadway is becoming very much gentrified. Young professionals who work downtown can walk to work form there.
    Eastie is gentrifying in a different way: Middle class immigrant communities, mostly Hispanic and Asian, have transformed the neighborhood. It also helps that the derelict parts of the waterfront have been, or are going to be, reclaimed. Hyde Park and West Roxbury are as ever: stolid, mostly Catholic middle class (the Mayah lives in Hyde Pahk.)
    JP is going hipster, but meanwhile the poorer folks are being pushed out. Last big battle was about Whore Foods [not a typo] taking over a neighborhood market.
    The South End is gentrifying more slowly. There’s a considerable gay contingent there.
    Mattapan, and Blue Hill Avenue by the Park and up to Seaver St. and Talbot Avenue is, unfortunately, as it has been since the late 60s.
    Dot is so big and varied you can’t call it just one thing. And at the edges near gentrifying districts, it, too is changing.

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    handy says:

    The Apple Lisa is 30 years old. Wow.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Even better than the 5 people shot on gun appreciation day:

    Things a 7-year-old boy expects Mom to put in his backpack: A peanut butter sandwich. Pencils. Maybe even a nice note with a little heart scrawled on it.
    Things he doesn’t: a flare gun, a .22-caliber pistol, a loaded magazine and, for good measure, 14 more bullets in a plastic bag.
    But that’s exactly what a second-grader had inside his Batman backpack Thursday morning when he arrived at Wave Preparatory Elementary School in Far Rockaway in Queens, Police Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said Friday.

    2nd grader had a .22 in his lunchbox, put there by mom.

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    SFAW says:

    @redshirt:
    @efgoldman:

    OK, I cede the point(s).

    Yeah, Southie was already turning that way, back when I was working there (about 10 years ago). Not very much like it had been in the 1970s.

    South End was starting to gentrify in the late 1970s or early 1980s, I think.

    But it all sounded better my way. At least, if you’re one of those persons who think all Bostonians talk like Damon’s and Affleck’s pals in Good Will Hunting, it did.

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    patroclus says:

    Stan the Man was also a liberal on civil rights who was friendly with African American players, he campaigned for JFK and was on LBJ’s fitness council (in addition to being a great baseball player and a gentleman through and through).

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    SFAW says:

    @👽 Martin:

    2nd grader had a .22 in his lunchbox, put there by mom.

    His mom was probably worried that the school bus would get lost, and end up in the slums of Woodmere.

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    Slaughter says:

    Musial ranks with Mays and Mantle among the all-time greats. 1,815 hits at home, 1,815 hits on the road.

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    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again) says:

    @JWL:

    That Remagen story seems familiar, but I think it was a different player. Musial was USN, not Army, and he went from duty at a training center in MA early in ’45 before being transferred to a ship repair facility at Pearl Harbor- and I’ve got a sneaking suspicion he was transferred upon request of some admiral at Pearl who wanted him playing in the 8-team baseball league they operated there during the war.

    BTW, the father of a friend of mine graduated high school in ’44. He was an all-city middle infielder in Detroit. He signed with the Cubs before being drafted into the military (I don’t recall if it was the Navy or Marines that got him). He was talented enough that he was put on a team of ringers that was hopping around from small base to small base in the Pacific, playing exhibition games. Disembarking from an early helicopter, he fucked his knee up badly enough that he never got to play professionally.

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    Wally Ballou says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): Don’t know about players, but future Cardinals broadcaster Jack Buck was at Remagen and got wounded there, earning a Purple Heart.

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    My dad got season tickets to the Orioles when I was 8 and after they won the World Series in ’83(sucker!), so my formative baseball years were managed by Earl Weaver.

    He will be missed.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman: Thanks for mentioning Bobby Cox. Would have to look up the stats, but I feel quite sure he matched or exceeded Earl Weaver’s 91 ejections.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jeffro: I would. And I don’t even like football.

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    Mr Furious says:

    @RossInDetroit, Rational Subjectivist: I saw a coyote run down the street in Indian Village in broad daylight a few years ago. Tried to follow him in my car (I had been sitting at a stop sign) but he lost me by going over the highway on a pedestrian bridge.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    I love in that clip where the ump questions Earl’s assertion that Earl will be in the Hall of Fame.

    Thank you Earl for making baseball in the 1970’s great to watch.

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    Bill Murray says:

    @J.W. Hamner: Ralph Houk was among the firs to cross the Bridge at Remagen. Warren Spahn was in the 276th Engineers Combat Battalion at Remagen (and was wounded there) and is whom the bridge collapse was about

    http://www.baseballinwartime.c....._ralph.htm

    http://www.baseballinwartime.c.....warren.htm

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    Tangent of 90 says:

    Musial: still the only man to hit 5 homers in one day … Also an excellent harmonica plater

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    JWL says:

    @Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): I stand corrected. As someone else noted upthread, it was Warren Spahan who was at the Remagen Bridge. Maybe I got confused because both men were class acts.

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    Kathy in St. Louis says:

    @FredW: Fred, Stan was baseball in this town when I was growing up. My dad took us to games, parked on a meter on the street, for God’s sake. He wasn’t about to pay those jerks who lived down there a buck to park on their lawns. So, we arrived about the third inning and left after the seventh inning stretch so that he didn’t get a ticket. I saw Stan plan a lot of times, and it is still the biggest thrill I ever had in watching sports.

    These are also some of the best memories of my childhood. RIP, Stan and Daddy. You made me a lifelong fan of baseball, Musial, and,of course, my father.

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    Bill Murray says:

    @Tangent of 90: Nate Colbert hit 5 HRs on August 1, 1972. Colbert claimed to have been present when Musial hit his 5

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    centerfielddj says:

    @PeakVT:

    My previously favorite Weaver story (there’s a lot of great ones new to me on this thread) illustrates how Weaver could get tossed out by Luciano pre-game.

    A sports magazine of the era pubished Luciano’s Top 5 most difficult managers. As I remember his description:

    5.Earl Weaver

    4.Earl Weaver

    3.Earl Weaver

    2.Earl Weaver- “The problem with Earl is that he holds a grudge. Other managers, if they disagree with a call, may holler and shout, but you can still go out for a beer with them after the game. Not Earl. He never forgets. Heck, he even holds your minor league record against you. Once, a couple of years ago, I made a controversial call at the plate. Earl charged out of the dugout, screaming that that was the same call I’d blown at Elmira in ’66. That sort of thing can get to you.”

    1.Frank Robinson- “He’s Earl’s protege.”

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    centerfielddj says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Oh damn that made me laugh- thanks.

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