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I love this, more coherent than most actual Door’s songs.

Talk about whatever.

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    trollhattan says:

    John Mackey is a colossal dick.

    That is all.

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    Schlemizel says:

    I think with a lot of the Doors stuff you need to think of it more as ‘atmosphere music’. Like Poe’s writing, the sounds of the words can mean more than the words themselves.

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    PeakVT says:

    I wanna tell you ’bout Texas Radio and the Big Beat
    Comes out of the Virginia swamps
    Cool and slow with plenty of precision
    With a back beat narrow and hard to master
    Some call it heavenly in it’s brilliance
    Others, mean and ruthful [?] of the Western dream

    Perfectly cromulent lyrics…

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    JasonF says:

    That Fallon bit is definitely hilarious, but you shut your fool mouth if you’re going to talk bad about the Doors.

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:



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    Shrillhouse says:

    Love Fallon

    Love The Doors

    Morrison got all the attention, but Robby Kreiger was criminally underrated.

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    Cassidy says:

    The Doors have never met an obscure metaphor they didn’t like.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    more coherent than most actual Door’s songs.

    I’d be surprised if you knew any Doors songs. They didn’t perform on the mall circuit like Tiffany.

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    Chris says:


    Seriously, how do human beings get this fucked in the head? I mean, I get that it happens, I’m just not seeing how.

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    raven says:

    Blood in the streets of the town of New Haven;
    Blood stains the roofs and the palm trees of Venice.
    Blood in my love in the terrible summer;
    Bloody red sun of fantastic L.A.
    Blood screams her brain as they chop off her fingers.
    Blood will be born in the birth of a nation;
    Blood is the rose of mysterious union.

    There’s blood in the streets it’s up to my ankles,
    Blood in the streets it’s up to my knee;
    Blood in the streets, the town of Chicago.
    Blood on the rise, it’s following me.

    shit, just for the bass line

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    trollhattan says:

    “The Doors” was released January 1967 to a completely unprepared public. Imagine hearing the first track, “Break on Through” right after the #1 song, “I’m a Believer.” (#2: “Snoopy vs. the Red Baron”)

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    DFH no.6 says:

    C’mon — “Celebration of the Lizard” (aka, “Lizard King”)? “The End”?

    That shit’s not just coherent, it’s fucking cosmic, man.

    You just gotta have the proper, uh, “mindset”.

    I know it helped me, back when I first listened to them in ’68.

    I still fucking love The Doors (don’t listen to them much anymore, though — I prefer 21st century music to any oldies), but that Jimmy Fallon bit was dead-on!

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    roc says:

    @PeakVT: Rueful.

    Also: you try doing that much coke and psychedelics and remain coherent.

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    PeakVT says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: That’s what I thought, but the two lyrics sites I checked from had it that way.

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    jibeaux says:

    @trollhattan: I think that since Trader Joe’s is hipper and way cheaper than Whole Foods, that capitalism compels me to go there instead, no?

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    raven says:

    @trollhattan: I eats more chicken than any man ever seen. .

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    clone12 says:

    64% of Republicans are Birthers, according to the just-released Fairleigh Dickenson Survey.

    Since about 42% of the electorates are Republicans according to the 1/9 Gallup survey, that 64% comes out to… 27% of total electorate.

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    JCT says:

    My late father was Jim’s attorney – handled his case stemming from the Dinner Key Auditorium uh, episode. I still remember my pretty “square” dad bring home a bunch of Doors albums and listening to them all weekend after he was asked to handle that case.

    I have a great pic on my desk of my folks hanging out with Jim in some Miami Beach bar. Dad always said that Jim was one of the most serious drinkers he had ever met.

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    Punchy says:

    Here’s what I want to know about LanceGate:

    1) Did his ex-wife know? If yes, how did that not come out during divorce proceedings? If no, how in the hell did he keep that hidden for 7+ years?

    2) Did Sheryl Crow know? Did any of this doping lead to the dissolutions of these relationships?

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    trollhattan says:

    TJs seems to treat their employees well and they’re fun to shop at (if not to park at). Their prices are usually good to great, also, too. What they don’t have we can usually get at the local hippie co-op, where there’s even odds of reggae being played as a shopping bonus.

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    raven says:

    @JCT: Was that Miami? Saw them at the Palm Beach Arts Festival Nov 69.

    eya, check that I think they didn’t come because of the lawsuit ort arrest in Miami.

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    John Densmore was also way underrated.

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    trollhattan says:


    What a great connection! I never think about Jim having a lawyer but of course, he kept creating work for them, didn’t he?

    “LA Woman” was such a great “comeback” album, it would have been nice to have had him around a long while longer (along with Jimi and Janis, of course).

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    JCT says:

    @raven: Indeed –happened in Miami in March of 1969. We all moved to Miami at the start of the school year in 1969 as the case started to drag.

    I was too young to get to see him in concert myself, but my dad went to a few.

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    DFH no.6 says:


    Saw them at the Palm Beach Arts Festival Nov 69.

    That’s about the time I went to my first rock concert (I was a teenager).

    Led Zeppelin at Cleveland’s Public Hall (I think it was November).

    Sadly, never saw The Doors in concert. Eternally jealous of you over that.

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    Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn says:

    I posted this in the last open thread (after the herd had moved on, it turns out) in response to Schlemizel regarding a recent article we’d both seen (but can’t recall the source) where a study showed that people exposed to criticism of their opinions of subject X will double down on said opinions, even if readily verifiable facts disproved them:

    Alaskan liberal blogger and radio show host Shannyn Moore (whom I’ve been following on Facebook since the bad ol’ days of What’s-Her-Face Palin to get the skinny on her reign as gubnor up there) posted on FB this morning on how a wingnut caller on her show said he believed the Newtown slaughter was orchestrated by the Obama administration to strengthen his chances for re-election. When Moore pointed out that the shootings had occurred *after* the election, his response was:

    “That’s your opinion.”

    They will truly only allow us to relieve them their stupidity and delusions when we can pry them from their cold, dead fingers.

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    Jay C says:


    The future’s uncertain and The End is always near!

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    Svensker says:

    Wait, you mean that isn’t actually the Doors?

    Way overrated group, IYAM, which you prolly don’t. Although there were a couple a tunes that made excellent movie sound tracks. Also, drugs helped.

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    DFH no.6 says:


    Trader Joe’s is hipper and way cheaper than Whole Foods

    I don’t really enjoy shopping at either place, to be frank.

    Whole Foods here carries some locally-made super-tasty pita chips that I can’t find anywhere else (yeah, I know, make my own).

    But yes, John Mackey is such a major asshole that I suppose I’ll just do the futile gesture of not going to Whole Foods anymore, and stick with the equally-disagreeable shopping experience of Trader Joe’s.

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    piratedan says:

    thinking about job opportunities and getting my tummy reworked… lots of changes coming up in life… decisions and tribulations…..

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    Matthew Reid Krell says:

    The crazification factor comes back:

    The update at 11:37 AM PT: “Apparently the 37 percent figure quoted in the original article was a typo—the number they were actually given was 27 percent, which seems much more realistic.”

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    eemom says:


    you shut your fool mouth if you’re going to talk bad about the Doors.

    Seconded. And right after ya done so good with John and Yoko, sheesh.

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    eemom says:

    @DFH no.6:

    Thank you. I thought I was the only person on the planet who dislikes Trader Joe’s.

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    JCT says:

    @trollhattan: The firm representing him was based in LA and my dad was shipped out to Miami I think in part to try to keep Jim from getting in any more trouble while the case was in progress.

    I vividly remember my mother fretting over the first time he came over for dinner. I think it was mostly because of his reputation and there were 3 of us young kids running around. He was actually a really nice guy with us.

    Another vivid memory was my dad bitching and moaning over interviewing endless teenaged girls over whether they really saw Jim whip it out on stage. I got banished from the kitchen for most of those discussions, though .

    My brother still has an autographed copy of “an American Prayer” .

    Agree re: LA Woman, one of my favorites. I had a lot of fun introducing my son to all of those albums.

    Trader Joes sets my teeth on edge but I haven’t stepped foot in Whole Foods since Mackey’s first diatribe a few years ago. No loss.

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    Doug Galt says:

    @DFH no.6:

    I know it’s an upstate New York stereotype to say this, but Wegman’s is much better than either. And eliminates the need for either (at least in states where TJ’s can’t sell wine).

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    Doug Galt says:


    I don’t hate it but it’s definitely overrated.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Punchy: There are contemporaneous accounts that his ex-wife did know (and according to some accounts helped facilitate.)

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    NotMax says:

    Original Dear Abby dies at 94.

    Which gives a reason to link to this.

    “You are what you are, and you ain’t what you ain’t.”

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    Joel says:

    I like Whole Foods.
    I shop there primarily.
    People I know who have worked there seemed to have liked it.
    My groceries do not cost more at Whole Foods than at Safeway or QFC.
    Plus, their produce is better.

    John Mackey is still a raging asshole and a lunatic, to boot.

    But if we’re going to not solicit businesses because assholes own them, then you’re going to have an extremely short list of business to buy from. And chances are, you’ll have to dish shit-tons of money to buy directly sourced produce and nowhere to fill up your car.

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    raven says:

    @DFH no.6: I was a “teenager” two weeks before that fesival. Turned 20 Nov 10.

    Palm Beach Pop Festival 69

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    DFH no.6 says:

    Well, you and me and JCT, at least.

    I suppose we’ll have to tussle a bit with Svensker and Doug over The Doors.

    Sure, de gustibus non est and all that, but who do they find to be properly-rated music groups?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Hmmm. Next up, “Kiss” sings the theme from Gidget while Frank Calideno does the best Hubert Humphrey imitation you’ve ever heard. Something about this seems, well, un-current.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Hmmm. Next up, “Kiss” sings the theme from Gidget while Frank Calideno does the best Hubert Humphrey imitation you’ve ever heard. Something about this seems, well, un-current.

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    Raven says:

    Ya’ll weenies ever see this pic of Jim and Van?

    Don’t be lyin now!

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    Steve M. says:

    @Wag: Love “Rapture Riders.”

    Here’s Faroff’s “Break On Superstition” (Doors vs. Stevie).

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    DFH no.6 says:

    Great mashup!

    Though I suppose Blondie is probably also overrated (or even “way overrated”).

    But damn, Deborah Harry was hot, and I loved her music!

    “Rapture” — one of the original rap songs, done by a cute young blond woman in a sorta (not really, I don’t think) punk band.

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    Raven says:

    @DFH no.6: This is the original rap song

    Trouble Every Day
    F Zappa

    So I’m watchin’ and I’m waitin’
    Hopin’ for the best
    Even think I’ll go to prayin’
    Every time I hear ’em sayin’
    That there’s no way to delay
    That trouble comin’ every day
    No way to delay
    That trouble comin’ every day

    Hey, you know something people?
    I’m not black
    But there’s a whole lots a times
    I wish I could say I’m not white

    Well, I seen the fires burnin’
    And the local people turnin’
    On the merchants and the shops
    Who used to sell their brooms and mops
    And every other household item
    Watched the mob just turn and bite ’em
    And they say it served ’em right
    Because a few of them are white,
    And it’s the same across the nation
    Black and white discrimination
    Yellin’ “You can’t understand me!”
    ‘N all that other jazz they hand me
    In the papers and TV and
    All that mass stupidity
    That seems to grow more every day
    Each time you hear some nitwit say
    He wants to go and do you in
    Because the color of your skin
    Just don’t appeal to him
    (No matter if it’s black or white)
    Because he’s out for blood tonight

    You know we got to sit around at home
    And watch this thing begin
    But I bet there won’t be many live
    To see it really end
    ‘Cause the fire in the street
    Ain’t like the fire in the heart
    And in the eyes of all these people
    Don’t you know that this could start
    On any street in any town
    In any state if any clown
    Decides that now’s the time to fight
    For some ideal he thinks is right
    And if a million more agree
    There ain’t no Great Society
    As it applies to you and me
    Our country isn’t free
    And the law refuses to see
    If all that you can ever be
    Is just a lousy janitor
    Unless your uncle owns a store
    You know that five in every four
    Just won’t amount to nothin’ more
    Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
    And make up songs about being poor

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    handsmile says:

    Fortune Magazine just released its “100 Best Companies to Work For” list for 2013, and Wegman’s was ranked at #5 (down from #4 in 2012).

    Google was once again ranked #1, followed by SAS, CHG Healthcare, and the Boston Consulting Group.

    If you stop by any Wegman’s this Saturday, there’s free cake!

    And I know this because Fortune‘s editor Andy Serwer stopped by Morning Joe‘s frat house this morning, and all the buddies there love Wegman’s.

    Here in Wegman’s-less NYC, I’ve experienced Whole Foods twice, Trader Joe’s once. Prefer other kinds of masochism.

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    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.) says:

    @Schlemizel: Well said… Is the Dead’s music like that a bit, too? Somehow, I’ve managed to miss that cultural comet (the Grateful Dead). I will confess to having a great fondness for ambient/electronic/space music (Steven Roach and such). I know that neither the Doors nor G.D. are ambient, but there does seem to be a mystical quality to the actual soundscape those bands produce.

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    I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned it but today is Michelle Obama’s birthday. Just heard about it on Writer’s Almanac.

    Happy birthday to the First Lady?

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    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.) says:

    @Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn: Oh, shit, tell me that story is not true. FSM, truly 27% of our nation’s people are hopelessly, irretrievably stoooooopid. And they are the chunk that watch Fox News and believe everything that Hannity and Coulter and Miller and so forth spew out of their pieholes. Scary times, scary times….

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    dan says:


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    scav says:

    @Doug Galt: The lack of wine does cramp TJ’s appeal up there. But even in the gravity well of Pittsford Wegmans, there are things to get at TJ’s (not veg!) I generally prefer non-chains where the text is in a language other than English, but those two (plus Aldi for when I get tired of the baroque circus consumerism that Wegman’s succumbs to sometimes) would quite content me. Oh, and a good co-op. Farmer’s Market. Oh bother, just about anything but the usual chains.

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    kindness says:

    I bought the Live in NY Felt Forum box set last year.

    It has all 6 shows from the 1970 series. Most of it’s great. It’s dull when you hear Jim use the same joke several nights in a row, but hey, I can’t complain about someone who did way more drugs than I ever did and could still do what he did. On the other hand I also got a bootleg Hendrix disc where Jimi is in some NYC bar playing a few songs and Jim Morrison was there singing too. Morrison was so wasted you could barely understand anything he sang.

    My first show – Steppenwolf at the Capital Theater in Port Chester NY, spring 1970.

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    DFH no.6 says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    Something about this seems, well, un-current.

    You know, there’s a reason that Fallon’s parody of The Doors struck a chord, so to speak, with contemporary audiences, and Fallon even thought of doing it in the first place. It’s not like he was dredging up Lawrence Welk or something.

    I know, it’s probably all the boomers’ fault. Most everything is.

    Don’t listen to much oldies anymore myself (mostly newer stuff like Beirut, Deadmau5, Dragonette, Fleet Foxes, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Washed Out, Wolves in the Throne Room, etc.) but there is certainly a place for some (occasional) looking back on some things.

    Kiss (now there’s some musical excrescence) doing Gidget? What the hell made you think of that (wouldn’t be any worse than anything else by Kiss, I suppose)?

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    DFH no.6 says:


    This is the original rap song

    Frank Zappa. Loved him, but not everyone’s cup of tea, not by a long shot.

    Sure, “Trouble Every Day” as the original rap song, ok (and predates Blondie by more than a decade).

    Very many more people actually heard Blondie, though.

    And “Rapture” is only maybe, sorta, “rap”, I suppose. Out just before Sugarhill Gang and Grandmaster Flash put out their first recordings.

    We should be careful here, though, SuffernAce is gonna bust us for untoward nostalgism or something.

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    Darkrose says:

    @trollhattan: What the hell IS it with TJ’s parking? I’ve been to them in two different states on opposite sides of the country, and the one thing you can say for all of them is that parking is horrendous.

    (That said, FYI, in the Sacramento area, the Davis TJ’s has less egregious parking than the one on Folsom.)

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    eemom says:


    “You are what you are, and you ain’t what you ain’t.”

    Splendiforous. I love, love, love John Prine.

    And how nice to be able to say that on a Doors thread.

    As for YOU

    @Suffern ACE:

    Something about this seems, well, un-current.

    get yer ass off my lawn.

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    Scamp Dog says:

    @PeakVT: after trying to figure out some Clash lyrics by looking at various online lyrics sites, I came to the conclusion that one guy types in a set of lyrics, and everybody else just copies that original file, no matter how blatant or implausible the errors are. So really, there’s no point in checking a second site.

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    ruviana says:

    @trollhattan: I would have been thrilled, I loved all three of those songs. “Break on Through” is still my favorite Doors song.

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    trollhattan says:


    It’s as though you’ve been gifted the platinum-edition can-you-top-this? card.

    Person A: “Yeah, I sat next to Tom Selleck on the redeye back from New York. He was really cool and had great stories.”
    You: “The second time Jim Morrison came over for dinner, my mom….”

    Soooo envious. :-)

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    trollhattan says:


    Swear to bog it’s part of their bidnez model. (1. Find high-traffic locations with no more than seventeen parking spaces. 2. ??? 3. Profit!)

    Merci for the Davis tip.

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    sacrablue says:

    @trollhattan: Roseville Square?

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    kindness says:

    @DFH no.6: Orignial Rap Song? Man have you never heard of Gil Scott Heron? He predates Zappa. It’s more spoken word than rap but it has it’s moments.

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    Wag says:


    An amazaing song. may second favorite Zappa, right after “The Muffin Man”

    Girl, you thought he was a man, but he only was a muffin.

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    Gus says:

    If you’ve taken enough LSD, Doors songs make perfect sense.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:


    Did his ex-wife know? If yes, how did that not come out during divorce proceedings?

    Confidentiality agreement. Kristen Armstrong blogs for Runner’s World, and she’s hinted a couple of times, most recently back when the bans were imposed, that there is a big wad of legal paperwork that covers what she can and cannot say about her marriage, presumably in exchange for whatever settlement she received.

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    xian says:

    @West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.): Steve Reich (if you meant him) palled around with the Dead’s bass player (the most avant-garde dude in the group, arguably) in SF in the ’60s.

    The Dead did at times have an ambient / new-age side, like a Tangerine Dream or something, but they tapped into a kind of funhouse Americana thing, filtered through a pre-punk, D.I.Y., misfit-power ethos.

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    Craig says:

    Okay, seriously, who is that? Because it’s effing brilliant. I’ve been in a foul mood all day and that video just turned things around for me with only 44 minutes to go.

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