Monday Morning Open Thread


Yeah we’re all wonderful, wonderful people
So when did we all get so fearful?
Now we’re finally finding our voices
So take a chance, come help me sing this…

Anyone got something cheerful to share?

51 replies
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    Raven says:


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    NotMax says:


    Could be worse. Could be raining Mayans.

  3. 3
    Raven says:

    @NotMax: Rain is good here, very good. I commented to you about the weather during the golf tourney the weekend before last there on Maui. Big Blow!

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    jeffreyw says:

    Keep on the sunny side up, always on the sunny side,
    Keep on the sunny side up of life
    It will help us ev’ry day, it will brighten all the way
    If we’ll keep on the sunny side up of life

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    Raven says:

    Joe is apologizing to Mika.

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    Raven says:

    @jeffreyw: Listen at you!

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    magurakurin says:

    to anyone who’s in the know: How bad is this Java threat?

    I pulled the plug and uninstalled Java from my machine.

    Anybody have the skinny on this?

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    Raven says:

    No cause for concern anymore, however, as reports confirm that the Java vulnerability, which would potentially allow hackers to cause mayhem on infected machines, has been successfully patched by Oracle within three days.

    Released by Oracle, Java 7 Update 11 is the instant critical security update required to fix the zero-day exploit present in Java 7 Update 10 and previous versions of the Java software. According to Oracle, this latest update modifies the way in which Web apps interact with Java on a local computer.

    eta Other sites say wer’e fucked!

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    NotMax says:


    Rain is something we can always use more of here as well.

    Yeah, it’s been a an unusually blustery winter here thus far, with gusts up to the 40, 50 and even 60 mph ranges for days and days on end. The past few days have been calm, but unsettled conditions supposed to return this week.

    Some windiness is a good thing – otherwise volcanic haze (vog) from the Big Island settles in (as it did over the weekend), playing hob with the sinuses.

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    Raven says:

    @NotMax: Not too great out on the boats!

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    NotMax says:


    Always update to the newest version.

    Also recommend that, unless you deem it necessary for some site(s), to disable Java in your browser. For any such specific sites, it can be turned back on if you want.

    To any others reading this, just in case, Java and Javascript are two different things entirely. Either (or both) can be disabled in your browser’s options. The exploit mentioned refers in this case to Java.

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    NotMax says:



    Actually have been a slew of gale warnings posted for some of the channels recently.

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    Schlemizel says:

    It is very bad. You should update JAVA on your machines as soon as possible. For your home computer you should consider shutting JAVA off on your browser. There is a chance you are not running it now (I’ve never installed it on this PC)

    I’m in a hurry so I’ll just give you a link to how to disable JAVA on Firefox & note that at the bottom of the page are links for all the other popular browsers

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    Cassidy says:

    What’s the difference between Java and Java runtime environment?

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    magurakurin says:

    Thanks to all for the tips. I got rid of it all. I will see how much I miss it and decide if I need it or not.

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    PeakVT says:

    Anyone got something cheerful to share?

    I (and most of the commentariat) live in a country with decent air pollution laws which are more-or-less enforced. Residents of Beijing, OTOH, don’t. PM2.5 in Beijing is currently about 8x federal limits limits.

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    PeakVT says:

    @magurakurin: I leave Java disabled in my primary browser (FF) but enabled in my backup browser (IE). That way I can run it for the few sites that genuinely need it (mostly mapping sites).

    @Cassidy: Java is the language and JRE is the application that sits on your PC and compiles the code in real time when you start an applet.

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    Bruuuuce says:

    Sadly, no. Preparing for what appears to be a likely school bus driver strike in NYC starting Wednesday. That won’t affect the son in HS, who already commutes via subway, but hits the daughter in middle school, who’s in her one and only year of school bus eligibility at this school. Naturally, there are both bus and subway alternatives; naturally, each is long and involves a difficult transfer. As a citizen and union advocate, I see the drivers’ side; as a parent, it’s going to be a real pain in the ass.

    On the other hand, both kids are back in school today after each had the norovirus that’s been going around, last week.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Joe is apologizing to Mika.


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    Raven says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: For screaming at her last week. He needed to and she needs to walk.

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    PeakVT says:

    I don’t know if it’s cheerful, but France and ECOWAS intervened in northern Mali against Islamic extremest rebels over the weekend.

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    NotMax says:


    7 days from today, we will not be seeing a certain well-coiffed multi-millionaire on the outdoor stage at the Capitol.

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    JoyceH says:


    Cheerful? 7 days from today, we will not be seeing a certain well-coiffed multi-millionaire on the outdoor stage at the Capitol.

    That works. For the past two months, whenever I get discouraged, I remind myself that you can turn on the news and read the papers and never ever hear the phrase ‘President-Elect Romney’. Works like a champ.

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    Raven says:

    My bride has been struggling with a herniated disc for 6 months. She’s tried every kind of conservative approach we can find, nothing.She meet with her Osteopath this morning and I said “is there ever a time you want me to go with you”? She says, “Yes, that would be nice”. I am such a bad mind reader!

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Raven: But he always screams at her. What was so special about last week?

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    Raven says:

    @Patricia Kayden: It was really over the top, really.

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    It’s probably not cheerful, but has there been any news from gex?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    The latest in Japanese tech:

    If you’re happy and you know it
    And you’ve really got to show it
    If you’re happy and you know it, wag your tail.

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    Ash Can says:

    @Raven: Those two remind me of DougJ’s crack about, IIRC, the collaboration of Gail Collins and Bobo, something along the lines of how the greatest good that could come out of it would be a murder-suicide.

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    Anya says:

    @Raven: Just watched the clip on TPM. He seemed subdued. I wonder if he was ordered to make this apology.

    I thought at the time that it was kinda ironic that he was disrespecting two women and being a dick to Mika while chastising the white house for lack of women representation in the adim. His and media’s lack of self reflection is breathtaking. His show is always a bunch of white men and Mika yapping about stuff and he has the gall to lecture anyone about diversity.

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    Valdivia says:

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    was wondering the same thing. Hope things are ok with Gex.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Raven: Stephanie Miller calls “Morning Joe” the “Shut up Mika” show.

    Good that he apologized to her, I guess. Hope he allows her to actually speak out more instead of having to out talk all the men on the show.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:


    I wonder if he was ordered to make this apology.

    I guarantee you he was “encouraged” to make that apology, because there’s probably been a shitstorm of viewer response. Fuck him. He’s an asshole and always has been one. The greatest day in MSNBC history will be the day they get rid of his “reasonable” ass.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    That is cute! [wag, wag]

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    Capri says:

    Here’s my little ray of sunshine. My district’s house rep., Todd Rokita, is getting serious, prolonged push back locally for being one of the Sandy 67. After the first few days of bad press and letters to the editor he published a long self-serving justification in the local paper. That has only fanned the fire, and there’s been negative response ever since. Including a Sunday editorial cartoon showing him refusing to put money in a collection plate. Hopefully the link below works:

    The guy wasn’t particularly wingnutty before heading to Congress, but Lugar has them all running scared. Until now there’s been nothing on the other side to counter that. Hopefully that’s changing.

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    Yutsano says:

    At this point I just need to survive the next two weeks and graduate the class I’m getting up ah oh dark thirty for. But there might be a few positives in the near future.

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    @Raven: Stockholm Mila is going nowhere. Her faux liberalism is right up the Village’s alley.

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    Glidwrith says:

    Got a 10% raise on Friday with a promise for 10% more if I succeed on a project I’m working on. Of corse, hubby just lost hours equivalent to the raise. Sigh.

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    rikyrah says:

    It’s Monday….

    just live through it….

    Still sad for my Edith on DA

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    jurassicpork says:

    The cat’s out of the bag, both literally and figuratively.

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    handsmile says:


    Turned on the “Morning Joe” frat party this morning (part of daily penance for my sins) to see some British-accented guy deliver a summary of weekend results from the English Premier League. From the banter, it seemed that this was an occasional/weekly (?) feature. I’d not seen it before, but as this blog’s correspondent for that show (joke), could you illuminate?

    During that segment, Joe revealed himself to be a Liverpool fan; a fact that ought to give BGinCHI and Amir Khalid dyspepsia. (though to be fair, no worse than mine upon learning last year that Piers Morgan supported Arsenal.)

    Also too, his on-air apology to Mika Brzezinski was pretty thin sauce for his obnoxious rant at her last week, imo. (His rant a Classic, letter-perfect display of GOP victimization.)

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    Steeplejack says:

    Off to see the dermatologist in a bit. “Cheerful” news because I’m almost certainly cancer-free, which is a melodramatic phrase in dermatology once you get past the m-word–melanoma–which I have (gotten past) every time it has come up, Ceiling Cat be praised.

    That said, my dermatologist is kind of a poster boy for why we need health-care reform in this country: he sits atop an expensive “fee for services” regime in which the “consumer” has little or no choice. And he’s not the most, uh, charismatic guy in the world, so you don’t often get that compensatory “Yeah, my guy is expensive but he’s the best!” feeling.

    Finally, parking is insanely awful around his office, so I will be taking a long bus and Metro ride, followed by an urban hike, possibly punctuated with rain. Grumble, grumble.

    But, hey, when I compare all that to the first time I was sweating out a melanoma diagnosis–waiting for test results to come back over an extended holiday weekend–this is nothing. I sympathize with people who have real medical problems and far fewer resources to deal with them. Hopefully Obamacare is the start to fixing our broken system.

    ETA: Edited for tone. Things are getting under my skin. Feeling crabby this morning.

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    NotMax says:

    @handsmileFrom Wikipedia:

    Scarborough is an avid association football fan. As mentioned on ESPN’s “Off The Ball” podcast, Scarborough details his dedication to Liverpool FC, a football team that competes in the English Premier League.  Source

    Lots more on his extremist and execrable past there as well.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Daniel Craig, 007 himself, is a Liverpool fan. That makes up for a great many less than worthy fellow fans.

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    Pococurante says:

    TBogg gets all gleeful when public lists lead to home burglary:

    So one would think that, when the Journal News published a list of gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties, the bad guys would stick to breaking into the homes of the pansy gun-phobic liberals where the worst that could happen would be the threat of being crushed beneath a toppled stack of New Republic back issues or maybe an invitation to stay for quinoa and kale dinner casserole.


    But, no. Apparently the threat of having someone pop a cap in your ass isn’t quite the deterrent that it has been made out to be:

    Actually, the real lesson here is that aggregating public information so that any moron with a mouse and dangerous motive can target people is dangerous.

    Note that these guns were locked away in a safe that apparently did its job. Assuming there were children in the house it appears they too were being responsibly protected.

    We’ve seen similar past public aggregations both online and over the radio. They’ve gotten doctors and health workers hurt or killed.

    Many people are remarkably tolerant of things that hurt other people when they are confident it will never affect them. Of course we call such people “sociopaths”.

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    John Weiss says:

    Oh! It’s dawn here in far south Oregon. And it’s beautiful here in Paradise.

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    Mike E says:

    @Amir Khalid: I do like Liverpool, but I wouldn’t mind getting a sweet purple # 9 jersey

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    MattR says:


    We’ve seen similar past public aggregations both online and over the radio. They’ve gotten doctors and health workers hurt or killed.

    Does public aggregation get people hurt or killed or is it the demonization of the people that are listed that leads to violence? There is a website that provides all the property tax info for every property in the state of New Jersey but I don’t recall anyone being hurt or killed as a result of that publication

    EDIt: Let’s flip things a bit to ask a question: If someone is going to steal a gun, would you prefer they know which house to look in on the first attempt or would you prefer they break into numerous houses until they find what they are looking for?

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    Pococurante says:

    In sense sure but that sounds very close to a variation on the “guns don’t kill people” slogan.

    The property tax website presumably doesn’t detail specifically what valuables homeowners possess. Burglars already know wealthy neighborhoods are, well, wealthy.

    TBogg’s misplaced schadenfreude is offensive.

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