Birth Control Benefit Nay-Sayers Take Up Yarns in Support of Hobby Lobby

Hobby Lobby is risking paying upwards of one million dollars in fines per day just so they can thumb their nose at the birth control benefit provision in the ACA which requires employers to offer contraception access without copay to their employees.
On Saturday, thousands of yarn lovers rallied at Hobby Lobby storesand demanded that righteous dudes be allowed to withhold statutorily-required healthcare benefits from Vagina-Americans.

It was like the Chick-fil-A protests, but with less homophobia and more righteous indignation.

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142 replies
  1. 1
    Corner Stone says:

    Not to go OT so quickly but the maths demand it!
    Has any movie ever become so dated as hard as Hackers with Angelina Jolie and Jonny Lee Miller?

  2. 2
    Corner Stone says:

    I’m thinking The Net with America’s Sweetheart ™ Sandra Bullock is a close second.

  3. 3

    My (otherwise vaguely reasonable) in-laws are all over this BS on Facebook.

    It’s amazing to me just how many allegedly ‘freedom loving’ Americans are totally fine with the idea of employees being serfs, and therefore subject to all the religious and other prejudices of their employers.

  4. 4
    Corner Stone says:

    Maybe that smagma Antitrust with Ryan Phillippe and Tim Robbins sneaks in there somewhere in the top five.

  5. 5
    Tone in DC says:

    Hobby Lobby is probably owned by T Boone Pickens and David Koch.

    The election really made these idjits lose (what was left of) their minds.

  6. 6
    sparrow says:

    @Corner Stone: “It’s in that place where I put that thing that one time” was a quote we like to throw around in college. That was back in 2002, and it was already hardcore dated THEN. However Angelina Jolie was extremely hot, and the movie is actually pretty entertaining if you just ignore the rather mystical rendering of how a computer works.

  7. 7
    sparrow says:

    back OT: 18000 people doesn’t honestly sound like that much. is there a counter-group?

  8. 8
    Tone in DC says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    I wonder how many times these brain donors have burned Sandra Fluke in effigy.

  9. 9

    People in this country are so fucking stupid.

    That is all.

  10. 10

    @Tone in DC:
    Or putting her on a giant pair of scales, to see if she weighs more than a duck.

  11. 11
    Linnaeus says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    It’s amazing to me just how many allegedly ‘freedom loving’ Americans are totally fine with the idea of employees being serfs, and therefore subject to all the religious and other prejudices of their employers.

    Winter is coming.

  12. 12
    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Corner Stone: Indiana Jones II: Racial Stereotype Boogaloo (motto: we even invented new slanders because we just don’t care)

  13. 13
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    knitta please

    i lol’ed.

    a real purl.

  14. 14
    Tone in DC says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    I can barely chuckle at that.

    Virginia’s governor still wants to uh, probe women who want an abortion.
    So does that rectal fissure Ken the Cooch, the AG.

  15. 15
    Another Halocene Human says:

    @sparrow: Hello, TRON.

  16. 16
    Mnemosyne (iPhone) says:

    So did anyone actually show up, or was it one of those things where people say on Facebook, “Oh, yeah, dude, I’ll totally be there!” and then like 3 people actually bother to go?

    I will say that, after looking at Hobby Lobby’s yarn selection a couple of years ago, I’m guessing the “knitters” who showed up are grandmas who don’t mind knitting with plastic.

  17. 17
    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches: Matthew 5:11. They’re just moving things along to get their blessings quicker.

  18. 18
    Tone in DC says:

    Imani:

    I figure you already know about the end of this story. Just in case you haven’t seen it, though…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....97756.html

  19. 19

    @Linnaeus:
    OT, but I can’t sit through Game of Thrones. After about 10 minutes I start screaming “For fuck’s sake! Will somebody please hurry up and invent gunpowder and kill all these douchebags!?” at the television.

    (Sorry, medievalism just isn’t my thing).

  20. 20
    Patricia Kayden says:

    ABL,

    Let the Rightwingers keep digging their ditches. They’re on the losing side of history. Let them keep showing how much they support anti-women policies. Doesn’t bother me in the least.

    Hopefully, Hilary Clinton will run in 2016 and get even more of a greater percentage of the female vote than President Obama.

  21. 21
    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): At a regional craft fair a few years ago there were these gray-haired ladies selling potholders and trivets crocheted from acrylic (easier on the hands to crochet than knit with acrylic). Note that if you bought these items and used them for their ostensible purpose they would burn or melt. And they did not have much in the way of aesthetic value.

    Why? Well, their church tells them that they can work from home and still prosper so they will find a way… somehow. And most of these cults don’t consider it unlawful to swindle gentiles or worldly people or whatever term they use.

  22. 22

    Further proof that Republicans are just awful, wretched people:

    Responding to Gabby Giffords’ Friday visit to Newtown, Conn., where she met with families of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Connecticut state Rep. DebraLee Hovey (R) had a message for the former congresswoman: “Gabby Giffords stay out of my towns!”

    Jesus. What disgusting people.

  23. 23
    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches: The only middle ages wank I can stand is the Python player’s version.

  24. 24
    JustRuss says:

    I don’t get it. If you’re opposed to abortion, you should love birth control, as it reduces unwanted pregnancies and, hence, abortion. But silly me, trying to apply logic to wingers…

  25. 25
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Off topic but just heard on the Ed Schultz radio show that Hagel was active with McCain’s Presidential campaign in 2008. If that’s true, why weren’t McCain and Lindsay concerned about the homophobic and anti-Israel comments that Hagel purportedly made prior to 2008? Why are these comments only a problem now?

  26. 26
    the Conster says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    History began on January 20, 2009 for a definable subset of humanoids.

  27. 27
    peach flavored shampoo says:

    OT:

    Not many people deserve the C-word slur, but this politician may be one of the few. Wow. Words cannot describe the assholery.

    Edit: Looks like I was scooped by SB

  28. 28
    bemused says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    The moral mafia don’t care if most of us become serfs. If you deny women birth control, they will stop being “sluts”. If you deny everyone any kind of hand up or equality, you can reverse a decadent society, lack of discipline in schools, respect in public, broken families, cheating, divorce, triangle affairs, same sex marriage and the violence that comes with all those things. I got this from a rightwing rant letter in a local paper yesterday.

  29. 29
    "Fair and Balanced" Dave says:

    Knitwits!

  30. 30
    Wag says:

    Tens of thousands? The “I stand with Hobby Lobby” FB page has all of 593 likes.

  31. 31
    pseudonymous in nc says:

    A reminder, once again, that millions of Americans would be perfectly happy to live under a bridge grilling sparrows over a brazier if the person next to them didn’t have ketchup.

  32. 32
    Scott de B. says:

    I misread the headline and thought they were taking up yams.

  33. 33
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    Back then, you see, Chuck Hagel was On Their Side. Now he’s Gone Over To The Other Side. Simple as that.

  34. 34
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @JustRuss:

    I don’t get it. If you’re opposed to abortion, you should love birth control, as it reduces unwanted pregnancies and, hence, abortion. But silly me, trying to apply logic to wingers…

    there only anti-anything getting between god and a woman’s cooter

  35. 35
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Off topic but just heard on the Ed Schultz radio show that Hagel was active with McCain’s Presidential campaign in 2008. If that’s true, why weren’t McCain and Lindsay concerned about the homophobic and anti-Israel comments that Hagel purportedly made prior to 2008? Why are these comments only a problem now?

    also begs the question why hagel is being put up for the secdef job. maybe lieberman turned it down? wait, wasn’t the second term when obama was gonna show his true liberal bonafides what with all the nasty reelection nonsense behind him?

  36. 36
    TooManyJens says:

    @Scott de B.:

    I misread the headline and thought they were taking up yams.

    Which would be ironic, since the first birth control pills were synthesized using steroids derived from Mexican yams.

  37. 37
    Face says:

    Tens of thousands? The “I stand with Hobby Lobby” FB page has all of 593 likes.

    A vast, vast majority of HB shoppers and supporters wouldn’t know the difference between Facebook and faces and books. I’m guessing 593 grandkids voted for their grandparents just cuz.

  38. 38
    Tone in DC says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Maybe wingnut-ism is some form of genetic mutation, caused by excessive consumption of deep fried Twinkies.

    That could ruin anyone’s DNA.

  39. 39
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Face:

    A vast, vast majority of HB shoppers and supporters wouldn’t know the difference between Facebook and faces and books. I’m guessing 593 grandkids voted for their grandparents just cuz.

    one of ’em is me. i had ’em confused with hobby town

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    Punchy says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Since when does R/D matter for SecDef? Not like he can just neocon shit all by himself. He’s pretty locked in to whatever the Prez tells him. And word on the nets say he’s pretty mcuh a “downsize this muthafuckah” kind of military guy, something a Dem candy wouldn’t dare suggy for fear of tarring fellow Dems as soft on NatSec.

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    Gindy51 says:

    @JustRuss: But supporting birth control means the women get to have control over their baby making parts. We can’t have that. As an additional slice of stupidity, the morons who think this believe birth control pills are an abortifact. WRONG! They listen to what their xtian leaders say instead of researching things on their won.

  42. 42
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:
    Hobby town? Isn’t that a place inhabited by little people with hairy feet?

  43. 43
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Hobby town? Isn’t that a place inhabited by little people with hairy feet?

    i can’t verify that because shoes and shirt are required

  44. 44
    Violet says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: KnittaPlease is a yarn bombing movement. People go out in the cover of darkness and decorate things with knitted yarn. Here’s their Facebook and blog:

    https://www.facebook.com/knitta
    http://knittaporfavor.wordpress.com/

    There are some really cool yarn bomb photos on those.

  45. 45
    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I was just about to bring this up before I saw your second comment. The only thing worse would be some movie with everyone toting brick-sized cell phones.

  46. 46
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amir Khalid: No, that is Munchkinland.

  47. 47
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Punchy:

    Since when does R/D matter for SecDef? Not like he can just neocon shit all by himself. He’s pretty locked in to whatever the Prez tells him. And word on the nets say he’s pretty mcuh a “downsize this muthafuckah” kind of military guy, something a Dem candy wouldn’t dare suggy for fear of tarring fellow Dems as soft on NatSec.

    there ya go, you’ve successfully internalized why we shouldn’t have a republican secdef. and since we ain’t downsizing why not have a democrat presiding over permawar?

  48. 48
    Linnaeus says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    I actually haven’t watched Game of Thrones because I don’t have a TV and don’t get cable television (can’t afford it now). But I’ve read all of the Song of Ice and Fire books a few times over.

    By “winter is coming”, I mean that we seem to be on the road towards neofeudalism, and some folks are just fine with it.

  49. 49
    Another Halocene Human says:

    SPOILER ALERT

    Off topic or on topic, since we’re talking about movies: http://www.newyorker.com/onlin.....ained.html

    I totally disagree. Maybe Americans need to read more slave narratives. I expected a wildly inaccurate film in historical terms yet it is not. The biggest lie in the film is the notion that Django can blow up the “Big House” without consequences. Cora and Sheba are running for their lives for a reason. They will have to come up with a damn good story to save themselves. As the reviewer notes, the master class lived in utter paranoia about slave revolts, and when slaves did revolt they were put down brutally. Even if the majority of the slaves are ‘exonerated’, they will likely be sold off to pay off the debts of the estate, causing families to be broken up. In the end, the destruction of the Big House is a boon for those clever and able enough to get away and a calamity for those who fail. Django is a bit of an antihero, selfishly enacting a revenge which will intensify the suffering of others.

    There is a great deal that happens in the movie (except for the ending) which has parallels in contemporary slave narratives. I think that American audiences accept this movie because they perceive it as an unrealistic fantasy. That permits Tarantino to get away with what he does. Within the language of movies, the action is unbelievable. But in fact, despite exaggerations, there is a ton of stuff in the movie that is historically accurate. It’s an ugly history that most Americans refuse to confront.

    Btw, I like this commentary on “mandingo fighting”: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bro.....fight.html

    I, too, was thinking about Invisible Man during that scene.

    I think it’s time for a biopic about Frederic Douglass.

  50. 50

    @bemused:
    My in-laws are pretty much boiler-plate “low info 50+ suburban white people” who default to the Republican setting more out of cultural inertia and xenophobia than out of any over-arching ideology or malice (they’re not even particularly religious).

    They just see a big business complain about ‘Obamacare’, and they pile on.

    They seem more outraged that anyone deigns to tell the generous masters at Hobby Lobby how to spend their money than anything else. I don’t think it goes much beyond “Boss-man is Boss! Why should Boss-man be forced to pay for something against his religion?”

    Of course, nobody forced Boss-man to open a business where he’d be obliged to meet certain legal standards regarding health care for his employees. And nobody forced Boss-man to lobby for a health care system where the employer is still such an integral part of the process.

  51. 51
    Tone in DC says:

    @Violet:

    (Holds needles threateningly) STOP!! One more step and we make a SWEATER and matching pillows for your Rottweiler.

  52. 52
    Corner Stone says:

    @Punchy:

    Since when does R/D matter for SecDef? Not like he can just neocon shit all by himself. He’s pretty locked in to whatever the Prez tells him. And word on the nets say he’s pretty mcuh a “downsize this muthafuckah” kind of military guy, something a Dem candy wouldn’t dare suggy for fear of tarring fellow Dems as soft on NatSec.

    Your lexicon is strange to me, and vaguely threatening. Can you either reduce this phrasing to Darmak approved terms, or possibly use words not invented by Matoko?

  53. 53

    Bad as things are here, with the Republicans and their supporters, there are places where being a woman is so much worse. I for one haven’t still gotten over the incident in Delhi last month.

  54. 54
    Corner Stone says:

    @Steeplejack:

    The only thing worse would be some movie with everyone toting brick-sized cell phones.

    You mean like the Miami Vice remake with Colin Feral?
    I enjoyed that, fwiw.

  55. 55
    bemused says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    There is much idolatry of boss-men by low-info folks who at the same time sure can do a lot of bitching on their jobs about pay, hours etc. Another rightwing paradox.

  56. 56

    Is the Hobby Lobby a publicly traded company? I ask because it seems to me that if it is, this would be some kind of tort against its shareholders. I’m not a lawyer–even though I worked at the law library when I was in college–so I could be far off on this, but if I am, somebody can set me right.

  57. 57
    Violet says:

    @Tone in DC: Not so much dogs and pillows as unusual things like trees and buildings and bridges. Here’s a bunch of trees decorated with tree cozies near the capitol in Austin, TX: http://www.apartmenttherapy.co.....tta-142211

  58. 58
    Todd says:

    @Corner Stone: \

    Has any movie ever become so dated as hard as Hackers with Angelina Jolie and Jonny Lee Miller?

    Star Trek the Motion Picture and Start Trek:The Wrath of Khan, based on the control panels.

  59. 59
    Corner Stone says:

    @Another Halocene Human: Thank you. This comment renews my intent to slip the word “django” into inappropriate spots of conversation wherever I can.

  60. 60
    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    @JustRuss:

    Birth control is every bit as awful as abortion, because it gives the woman a measure of control over her own body, and we just can’t have that. Give a woman control over her own body and she just might start getting ideas above her station; she might even run for President.

    Of course, in this particular case it’s all about sticking it to the N***er-in-chief; the fact that it also screws women (so to speak) is just gravy.

  61. 61
    handy says:

    @Todd:

    Yeah but those movies are set far into the FUUUUUUUUUUUUTURE! So it totes could be plausible since what was once out of fashion is in again.

  62. 62
    Corner Stone says:

    @Todd: Eh, I’m with you on that. But Sci-Fi is given a small dispensation in this category of mockability.

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    Mike G says:

    Wasn’t Hobby Lobby the company that alreay had contraception as part of its health insurance, until they spitefully removed it when the mandate came along?

  65. 65
    Corner Stone says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    wait, wasn’t the second term when obama was gonna show his true liberal bonafides what with all the nasty

    “But I’m gonna break
    I’m gonna break my
    I’m gonna break my rusty cage and run
    Yeah I’m gonna break my
    I’m gonna break my
    I’m gonna break my rusty cage and run “

  66. 66
    Original Lee says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): This. I do not buy yarn at Hobby Lobby. Bleah.

    The son of a dear friend works at Hobby Lobby. He got the job because the new manager goes to the same church they do. He was very excited to work for a “Christian” store, but this summer he noticed that they are not necessarily nice to their manual labor-type employees. Last year he also (amazingly) noticed that the health care plan coverage changed (I think the printout was one page shorter or something) and checked to see what was different. I think the light bulb has started to glow for this young man.

  67. 67
    Mandalay says:

    @Southern Beale:

    What disgusting people.

    Indeed. Made all the worse by her disgusting “if I offended anyone” non-apology.
    http://courantblogs.com/capito.....-giffords/

    If you truly want to apologize NEVER EVER include the phrase “if I offended anyone”, and ALWAYS EXPLICITLY STATE that you were in the wrong. Otherwise it does not qualify as an apology.

  68. 68
    Punchy says:

    @Corner Stone: I use no words invented by Mankato, or any other Mavericks, including John McCain. I figgy’d you could undystan my lexy by now. Mabs not.

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  70. 70
    Steeplejack says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Or even the original Miami Vice. [Shudder]

  71. 71
    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    @Amir Khalid:
    Hobby town? Isn’t that a place inhabited by little people with hairy feet?

    i can’t verify that because shoes and shirt are required

    Pants, however, seem to be optional.

  72. 72
    TooManyJens says:

    @Violet: OK, that is the first thing I’ve ever seen that gave me any inclination to learn to knit.

  73. 73
    Violet says:

    @TooManyJens: Yeah it looks like fun. Check out the other links above. There are some really fun photos. I like the food cart in Taiwan all decorated with yarn.

  74. 74
    bemused says:

    @Original Lee:

    I won’t say all economic endeavors conceived and run by religion groups are scams but there certainly have been a whole lot of them exposed over the last several years or decades. I would run far, far away from “Christian” based health insurance plans, dating services, investment advisors and banks to name a few.

  75. 75
    Chris says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    It’s amazing to me just how many allegedly ‘freedom loving’ Americans are totally fine with the idea of employees being serfs, and therefore subject to all the religious and other prejudices of their employers.

    The eternal American blind spot: “It’s only oppression if the federal government does it.”

  76. 76
    Culture of Truth says:

    Should I just assume they were offering this benefit all along until they discovered through the magic of the metrosexual Abe Lincoln that it offended their deep-seated beliefs?

  77. 77
    Chris says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    For my money, it was a good movie. About goddamn time that they started making movies about that era from the point of view of a black main character. Long past time that the slaveholding gentry idealized in Gone With The Wind be treated with the same contempt that Hollywood normally reserves for Nazis.

  78. 78
    Chris says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    I think it’s time for a biopic about Frederic Douglass.

    I remember reading, either here or on Sadly, No! that Danny Glover had been trying forever to make a movie about Toussaint Louverture and the slave revolt in Haiti, but couldn’t get anyone in Hollywood to sign on.

    I’d watch it, but I suspect it’s still too controversial to be made. Django works because, as you say, it’s a fantasy and everyone in it is a fictional character, but real history is probably still a bridge too far. I’d love to be wrong, though.

  79. 79
    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    Serfs that can’t obtain birth control breed more serfs.

    That’s really all you need to know as to the “why” of this.

    As to Hobby Lobby and yarn, my mother, who on January 20th, 2009 became as psycho a right-winger as you can find, is also a damn good knitter and wouldn’t touch Hobby Lobby’s crap yarn if you drove her there, paid for it, and told her the proceeds would be used to deport Obama back to Kenya.

    She may be racist as fuck but she doesn’t compromise on quality, I’ll give her that.

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    David Hunt says:

    @JustRuss:

    JSF addressed this somewhat but I think he states the rationale behind the contradiction a bit wrong. The goal is to punish women for having sex in a manner these people don’t approve of. And make no mistake, they consider an unwanted child a punishment. Once you realize that the goal is hurt women rather than protect children, all of their behavior makes “sense” again.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Punchy:

    I figgy’d you could undystan my lexy by now. Mabs not.

    This reminds me of the 30 seconds I horrifyingly lost the remote control when “Moonshiners” came on my TV.
    Not only could I not understand a damn thing any of the characters said, but it was also impossible to understand anything the freakin Sheriff or deputies said.
    And I speak a variant of Redneck, complete with the grunts and “un-huhs” and non-verbal cues. But this shit was ridiculous.

  82. 82
    Corner Stone says:

    @Forum Transmitted Disease: I, uh…applaud her for that?

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    gVOR08 says:

    @JustRuss: Ah, you don’t get it. Abortion, contraception, both are interfering with god’s will. This is all really about when god plants a soul. But they know they can’t talk about that. I’ve never figured out how they can be so sure it isn’t god’s will that you take the pill, but so it goes.

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    Bulworth says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: You have won the Internets today.

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    Culture of Truth says:

    Spike Lee might be able to get a Douglass pic made, perhaps with a star like Morgan Freeman.

    I doubt I am the first to think of this, however.

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    Chris says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    They seem more outraged that anyone deigns to tell the generous masters at Hobby Lobby how to spend their money than anything else. I don’t think it goes much beyond “Boss-man is Boss! Why should Boss-man be forced to pay for something against his religion?”

    I think there’s a lot of idolization of Boss-Man by middle-class people who love to imagine that they can someday be Boss-Man, or that they COULD have been Boss-Man if only Dem Libruls hadn’t… somehow... slanted society unfairly in favor of these people.

    Given that we have the lowest rate of social mobility of any country in the developed world, you’d think it would occur to them at some point that the reason they’re not Boss-Man is that Boss-Man doesn’t like competition and gets rid of it by ditching as many as possible of the “socialist” measures that exist in these other countries, but… nah.

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    Bulworth says:

    Only corporations have rights, my friend.

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    Violet says:

    @Chris:

    Given that we have the lowest rate of social mobility of any country on Earth,

    Really? Lower than North Korea? Central African Republic?

  89. 89
    Chris says:

    @Violet:

    I know. I edited it to “developed country on Earth” and then to “in the developed world,” which is what I meant. The original WAS a pretty stupid thing to say.

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    lol says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Were there any Inglourious Basterds fact checks about how there weren’t actually Jewish anti-Nazi death squads roaming Europe and that Hitler (and his entire senior staff) didn’t in fact get blown up in a movie theater?

    Or are we only holding Django up to a higher standard because it unflattering portrays a period of history a good portion of this country (27% perhaps) would like to go back to?

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    scav says:

    Is there really any commandment other than Thou shalt obey all the rules that my religion has pre-emptively forgiven me for breaking?

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    Violet says:

    @Chris: I figured you probably meant that. But is it true? I know our social mobility isn’t what it once was, but do we have the lowest mobility in the developed world? I haven’t actually seen statistics. I’ve seen stuff about how we have lower social mobility than the UK, but not in general.

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    Chris says:

    @Violet:

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen the chart (another thing I got from Balloon Juice), but I recall it had the U.S. as the lowest with the U.K… not so far behind, actually, though it was better. The highest was some Scandinavian country, I believe.

    (Course it depends where you draw the “developed”/”developing” line, which I suppose is arbitrary. But as I recall, all of Western Europe was ahead of us, and some Asian countries were too).

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    bemused says:

    @scav:

    That’s excellent.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Django is a bit of an antihero, selfishly enacting a revenge which will intensify the suffering of others.

    I think that the movie is about justice, not revenge. And it deals a bit in fantasy, so I think that trying to talk about the “realistic” consequences of his actions is kinda beside the point.

    However, I agree with you that Tarantino is surprisingly sensitive to issues of actual history. On the other hand, I was dismayed by some hipster reviews that wanted to see more outrageous action, more brutality directed towards the slaves, and we’re unhappy that they didn’t also have a cool white hero and more snappy quips that they could use to practice their snark.

    Then there was the IMDB review that, while very good overall, thought that slaves were treated with kindness historically. Make me wonder what is taught for history in most schools these days.

    The movie probably deserves its own thread.

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    Chris says:

    @Brachiator:

    On the other hand, I was dismayed by some hipster reviews that wanted to see more outrageous action, more brutality directed towards the slaves, and we’re unhappy that they didn’t also have a cool white hero and more snappy quips that they could use to practice their snark.

    ????????? King Schultz wasn’t enough for them?

    The movie probably deserves its own thread.

    Seconded.

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    Enhanced Mooching Techniques says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches: (

    Sorry, medievalism just isn’t my thing).

    GOT isn’t Medievalism, it’s Dungeons and Dragons done as politics. Pretty dull stuff. (“I am a Stark, I am Lawful Stupid”) Go check out The Tudors for a taste of real medieval court politics.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Violet:

    Too lazy to look it up now, but I have seen stories lately to back up Chris’s point, that our social mobility is behind not only Britain but many, if not most, of the other “developed” countries as well.

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    @Tone in DC:

    Hallelujah. That woman needs to sue the town hard.

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    raven says:

    @Brachiator: Anti-hero my ass.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. (Mumphrey, et al.):

    Is the Hobby Lobby a publicly traded company?

    Nope, it’s privately held by a single family. If they want to blow up their business on a stupid argument with the Federal government about how their religion prevents them from offering health coverage even though they provided for years, they’re free to do so without interference from pesky shareholders worried about profits and fiduciary duty.

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    ruemara says:

    @Scott de B.: IT’S NOT JUST ME! Praise Knitted Jebus.

    I can’t wait to either leave this country or commit suicide.

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    scav says:

    Should we also bring up that their oposition to legal abortion might also be a canny business decision as knitting needles can be used to induce illegal ones?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Enhanced Mooching Techniques:

    GOT isn’t Medievalism, it’s Dungeons and Dragons done as politics.

    I don’t think that’s right. It’s intended to be something like the Wars of the Roses set in a fantasy setting. And FWIW, the Tudors is Renaissance, not Medieval.

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    Ruckus says:

    @bemused:
    I refuse to spend any money knowingly at any type of organization that is religious in any way. If an organization is advertising religion in any way I figure there has to be someone else selling the same product that at least keeps their bullshit fantasies to themselves.

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    eemom says:

    I haven’t seen Django, but I did see this decidedly unfavorable take from a gentleman with some cred on the matter that y’all might find interesting.

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    Jamey says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Strange Days, by this generation’s preeminent auteur(TM), K. Bigelow.

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    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:
    ‘Freedom loving’ means their own freedom, the freedom (and it is a freedom, if not an admirable one) to be the social group making the rules. They used to have that freedom. Now they’ve just lost it. That a black man was elected was a vivid reminder their social group was losing, and when he got reelected despite everything they could do that made it clear they were no longer in charge. Yes, they’re absolutely furious they’ve lost their freedom. They’re also assholes.

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    Jamey says:

    @Scott de B.: Good to see that Karen Finley is enjoying a resurgence.

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    I don’t knit, but I have never seen the Hobby Lobbies? Are they like Jo-Ann fabrics or something?

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    I know our social mobility isn’t what it once was, but do we have the lowest mobility in the developed world?

    @Violet: Yep. You’re more likely to get ahead of your station in life in Japan than here, which really ought to make some people stop and think, given Japan’s culture of conformity and shattered economy.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Chris:

    Course it depends where you draw the “developed”/”developing” line, which I suppose is arbitrary.

    OECD membership is as good as anything for drawing the line. Their report puts the US up there with Italy and the UK in terms of intergenerational social mobility, and the US has the largest correlation between parental background and education.

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    @Forum Transmitted Disease: Well, we have 30 years of Republican ideals to thank, t for that, especially in economics.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @JustRuss:

    It’s not about abortion.

    It never has been.

    It’s always, ALWAYS been about fucking.

    Always.

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    Dracula says:

    I figured the Hobby Lobby were those Washington-based suits who pressure Congressmen to lower taxes on frisbee golf equipment, gardening tools, and D&D trading cards.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I suspect most of us aren’t likely to get over tat any time soon. But Stuebenville Ohio has done its part to be the heartland Delhi. The “Nodi” video is among the most disturbing things I’ve watched, and don’t get me started on how distressing comments were on some of the rabbit trails I followed. (Hint ABL – can we get continuing coverage as the case develops?)

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    Even better; before the whole contraception kerfuffle, Hobby Lobby’s health insurance plans provided contraception. It wasn’t until they saw an opportunity for media attention that they bothered to even review their plans, and THEN they made the change.

    I guess their moral indignation is kind of selective.

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    Chris says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    If you’re a conservative Catholic or a fundamentalist evangelical, there is only one crime: disobeying the Law of God as laid forth by their theology.

    Once you accept that, disobeying the law of God by having extramarital sex isn’t qualitatively different from disobeying the law of God by killing babies. The real crime is disobedience against God, or to be more honest, lack of conformity to How Things Ought To Be.

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    Baron Elmo says:

    @Chris:

    What’s better than any film about Toussaint Louverture and the Haitian slave revolt could ever be is the trilogy of novels on the subject by Madison Smarrt Bell: All Souls Rising, Master of the Crossroads and The Stone that the Builders Refused. One of the great reading experiences of my lifetime. Bell deserves a Nobel Prize in literature for these.

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    bemused says:

    @Ruckus:

    A former bank in MN was founded in 2003 by a guy who said he heard the voice of God, “If you do all the things I told you to do, I promise you I will take care of the bottom line”. This bank had a painting of Jesus in the boardroom shaking the hands of two bankers titled “Unending Riches”. Sadly, the board must have displeased God because the bank was shut down in 2009 by the MN Dept of Commerce having been cited by the FDIC for unsafe and unsound banking practices and violations of law/regulations.

    At the time, former Sec of State Kiffmeyer, R, was an owner and director. She is now a MN Rep. and was a co-author of the defeated Marriage Amendment.

    I guess they didn’t grift enough to please God.

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    onlymike says:

    OT – i’m being evicted – wanted to let you guys know what’s going on – I was afraid I’d wait too long. I don’t know why I thought I could postpone it any longer than I already have. I had to leave the cats in the apt (I’m on my laptop in the front office right now.) I left plenty of food for and water for tonight. I’ll be back tomorrow to pack up (mostly trhow stuff away) and check on them. I’ll update as I can – but now desperate times – does anyone know anyone in the phx area who could take either of them. I have a couple of numbers to call for no-kill shelters but if I could avoid that (I know I probably cant’. ) The apt bldg is on the corner of 7th ave and Indian School rd – anyone nearby? I may be able to come back this evening and post from the front office – I definitely will tomorrow – thank you to everyone at balloon juice for caring. I know I should n’t have procrastinated the way I did on this I thiought I might be able to avoid it all – ?

    One black and white long haired cat – 10 years old and very affectionate (very timid though might take a while to draw him out but once you do …) and a tabby (?) brown and gray striped cat female – smart and feisty not sure how old – about 5 years i believe – I’m kind of panicking right now – goind to head over to the VA because I don’t know what else to do – will check back later if possible – thany kyou again.

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    Jebediah says:

    @Judas Escargot, Bringer of Loaves and Fish Sandwiches:

    It’s amazing to me just how many allegedly ‘freedom loving’ Americans are totally fine with the idea of employees being serfs, and therefore subject to all the religious and other prejudices of their employers.

    Haven’t read the rest of the comments yet so maybe this is redundant, but has anyone asked these freedom-lovin’ Americans if it would also be OK for a Jewish employer to require that all employees, Jewish or not, eschew (and never chew) pork?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @bemused:

    This bank had a painting of Jesus in the boardroom shaking the hands of two bankers titled “Unending Riches”.

    They didn’t have a painting of Jesus throwing the moneylenders out of the Temple? Hoocodanode?

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    bemused says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Praise the Prosperity Jesus! I sure don’t feel sorry for any customers of that bank if they lost money. Anyone professing to be a Christian who could see that painting and still put money in it an easy mark.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    Once you realize there are people who oppose vaccinating girls for cervical cancer because they might have sex, you have to accept they’ll oppose anything that allows women to have sex without “punishment.”

    We don’t get HBO, so I haven’t seen Game of Thrones, but the books are awesome.

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    Rome Again says:

    @onlymike:

    onlymike, what area of town are you in? I know of apartments that are available for about $400 a month and you can also have cats (not sure if it’s a bit extra or not).

    I’m in Central Phoenix, there are a few places on my newspaper route (I am a carrier for the AZ Republic) and the rent is really inexpensive. Let me know if you are interested.

    You can contact me at bgansel9-AT-gmail-dot-com. (that’s an L before the 9, not a 1).

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    Mnemosyne (iPhone) says:

    @onlymike:

    I don’t know anyone who can take them, but I just found out about a small rescue org in Fountain Hills that may have some room if the larger ones don’t:

    http://www.fearlesskittyrescue.org

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    Rome Again says:

    @onlymike:

    I’m willing to go the extra mile to do what I can to help you out of your predicament. I need you to contact me first though. I left my email address above. If you can contact me, I may be able to help you get into another place (short term loan, I can’t cover it all, but I can help substantially.) Contact me, please?

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    Arky Vaughn says:

    I didn’t read every response but this issue really infuriates me.

    The employer never pays for Birth Control – the birth Control is paid for by the employee with their labor.

    Let’s assume for a moment the Hobby Lobby could opt out. The employee would pay for birth control using the wages they earned at Hobby Lobby – right?

    What’s the difference?

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: They are the craft supply version of Jo-Ann’s Fabrics. They have supplies for a wide range of crafts — from yarn to beads to paints and glues and paper, etc. Similar stores are Michael’s and A.C. Moore, the former Creativity chain. I like an independent store in my larger vicinity — Lady Jane’s Crafts.

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    Rome Again says:

    I’d never heard of Hobby Lobby until I came to Phoenix. I’ve been in one of their stores exactly once. I would never compare it to Michaels. Michaels is huge and has many thousands of items. Hobby Lobby is much smaller and caters to a different clientele. One of my co-workers at the newspaper is also a floral arrangement designer for Michaels. She does lovely work. There is no way I could get that type of thing in Hobby Lobby. I doubt that they do much arranging. I sometimes do wreathing and I go to Michaels when I want to get supplies. I would never consdier Hobby Lobby for that sort of thing. On the one occasion I went to Hobby Lobby, I was looking for supplies to make a large doll house. My grandmother had one and I was considering making one of my own. I was very disappointed in Hobby Lobby’s offerings (on many different levels, very small store, offered very little.)

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    gelfling545 says:

    @gVOR08: I was told by a friend (when I was younger & needed the stuff) that if God wanted me to have a baby taking the “pill” wouldn’t do any good. I asked her what was the problem with taking it then but she never seemed to come up with an answer. She did, however, get herself some birth control a few years later.

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    Kathy says:

    Betcha I can withhold my $$$ a lot longer than the loons will spend theirs.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Rome Again: We don’t have a Hobby Lobby in my area; I was going with the stores I have experience to going to. ETA: The closest one seems to be in South Plainfield, NJ, about 30 miles away.

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    Rome Again says:

    Message to onlymike:

    I work nights and I have to go to sleep. Contact me via email if you get this message and I’ll discuss what I can do to help, if you’re interested.

    I’ll keep checking my email in the morning.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @eemom: From the article you linked to: “a Black person cannot get any film green-lighted in Hollywood that attempts to tell the story of slavery in the Americas as it actually happened. Just ask famed actor Danny Glover who has been working for years to get a film made on the Haitian Revolution. In 2008 Glover, appearing at a press conference in Paris, stated that Hollywood financiers dismissed the film stating that it lacked white heroes.”

    Powerful. I personally would love to see a movie about the Haitian revolution. Didn’t know the details until I took a course on Caribbean history in University. The story about the only successful slave rebellion in history should be widely known regardless of what Haiti has become today.

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    NM says:

    READ FULL POST AT ABLC, BECAUSE IT’S NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT HERE, AND SHE NEEDS THE TRAFFIC, SO CLICKY CLICKY

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    Robert says:

    @Corner Stone: FearDotCom, where you could literally be killed by web content. That was dated when it came out and totally irrelevant in content by the time it hit DVD.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Robert:

    FearDotCom, where you could literally be killed by web content.

    Not so far fetched, actually. Have you ever visited ABLC?

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    Suffern ACE says:

    The money that might go to conservative felters flocking to Hobby Lobby probably comes out of the pockets of Michaels (owned by our beloved Bain Capital). Are AC Moore or Joann’s any better?

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    Robert says:

    @Corner Stone: I believe she’s only capable of felling trolls through her website.

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    Wat says:

    @JustRuss:

    That logic only applies if the objection to abortion involves caring about babies – which it doesn’t for 95% of wingnuts. They’d settle for “you can get an abortion but you have to have SLUTTY SLUT tattooed on your forehead”, with forcing pregnancy to term as an option that’s slightly less obviously misogynistic.

    Also, too, applying logic to Christianists is at best a dicey proposition anyways.

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