Fiscal Cliff Update


Tea Party Caucus in the middle of Negotiations


Apparently the House wingnuts looked at the Senate bill, and Cantor and company kicked Boehner in the dick again, amended the bill, and sent it back to the Senate. Which basically does to the bill what Travis did to Yeller.

I remain confident in my prediction the other day that absolutely nothing is going to happen until the markets crash.

44 replies
  1. 1
    Princess Leia says:

    I have never seen a more appropriate accompanying photo. What a bunch of a**es.

  2. 2
    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:

    Hmmm. I tot you had breaking news…..sticking to your guns?

  3. 3
    Baud says:

    Jumping the gun a bit, but a not unplausible result.

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    What do you mean by the markets crash? Are you talking about the stock market?

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    MikeJ says:

    They hate America. They want to see it destroyed. Of course they won’t do anything to save it.

  6. 6
    JPL says:

    John, The house chaplain had his say
    May an imperfect compromise, when viewed from the perspective of our differences, not be undermined by a desire for political victory,” House Chaplain Patrick Conroy implored.

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    cathyx says:

    John, which one is you in the picture?

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    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    No, just 7-Elevens. The Japanese have never recovered.

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    bobbo says:

    At this point I don’t see why these morons would change their votes even if the market crashed. They think they are freaking Patrick Henry or something.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    And Rick Santelli, and his banker friends thought they were cute when they ushered in these yahoos! It’s Alive, It’s Alive!!! Speaking of which, I am reminded of that movie from the ’70’s you know.. the scene where the milkman gets killed by the thing.

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    Comrade Jake says:

    Cantor’s just come out to reporters stating that he doesn’t support the bill. Consider it hosed.

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    CaseyL says:

    Where did you hear that? The news sites all say the GOP is rebelling, won’t support the bill, etc., but nobody’s giving details, such as amendments.

    The GOP rebellion will mean Boehner has to go to the Democrats to pass the bill; or allow amendments which will kill the bill; or have a House vote on it as-is, and kill it that way.

    I’ve read enough comments from people relying on things like unemployment benefits, NIH funding, and so on to not be as sure as I was that going over the cliff/curb/whatever is really a good idea. I’m very sympathetic to their fears.

    OTOH, if this bill fails, the next Congress might come up with a better one… and the onus for failure will be squarely on the GOP. For whatever that’s worth.

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    nastybrutishntall says:

    @xian: QED. Nice work.

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    MattR says:

    I remain confident in my prediction the other day that absolutely nothing is going to happen until the markets crash.

    Or defense contractors stop getting paid, whichever comes first.

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    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:


    I prefer three-way sucks…

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    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:

    4-way is good too. Five’s, a crowd.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I didn’t think I’d see ANY picture more inappropriate than Goatse (sp?).

    I was wrong.

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    Ken Burd says:

    The Republicans in Congress have won the race to the bottom and are the most stupid people on the earth.

  20. 20

    There is an awful lot of breathless blogging going on today.

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    Valdivia says:

    I wasn’t super crazy about the deal but came around after doing some reading. Now these House idiots are going to spike it, nihilosts and terrorists.

    Also, too. Fucking Douchehat saying if only the bill had passed with fewer votes the R’s in the house would not be emboldened and think they can get the Sen to pass a higher threshold of 750K. It never ever ends with these conservatives assholes finding excuses.

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    gf120581 says:

    There’s not a more nihilistic, self-destructive bunch then the current House GOP caucus.

    I mean, this is a bill that all but five Senate Republicans voted and can reasonably argued is favorable to them compared to other options they might have gotten…and their prompt reponse is to spit on it and act like they caught the bill in bed with their daughters.

    And as a result, you may have just utterly screwed yourselves on this issue and politically. Nice going.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I think a lot of the early commentary was assuming that at least a few of the rumored cuts to things like Social Security or Medicare were in this deal and it took a while for people to figure out that they were not.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    Elections have consequences.

    ’nuff said.

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    General Stuck says:

    I remain confident in my prediction the other day that absolutely nothing is going to happen until the markets crash.

    I think this would normally be true, but the House wingnuts are well past this past point of restraint. They are at war with liberals and liberalism, and will drag us all to hell, if we let them. Including the plutocrats.

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    Oltrol says:

    What’s a market crash look like nowadays?

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    RepubAnon says:

    It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out – as it stands, I’m guessing that the Senate passed something to lower the popularity of filibuster reform, counting on the House to kill it. Next up, Rep. Cantor will ask for more concessions.

    If President Obama makes those concessions, some other Republican will seek even further concessions.

    When President Obama stops making concessions, the Republicans will pass the Paul Ryan plan and say it is non-negotiable.

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    Pococurante says:


    When President Obama stops making concessions, the Republicans will pass the Paul Ryan plan and say it is non-negotiable.

    THAT… would be a thing of beauty.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    I have to admit the only “deal” I’d like is one that says “screw you, Republicans” so no deal would have made me happy. I’m tempted to thank the House Rs for saving us from ourselves.

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    Fred says:

    @Howard Beale IV
    “Elections have consequences”
    Everybody says that but it kinda seems that it ain’t so.
    I guees we’ll see.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I thought they had already passed the Ryan Plan? I thought that was what they were talking about when they kept going on the news shows and saying that the House had passed a plan and it was the Senate and White House holding things up.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    . . . you absolutely sure you want to invite comparison between John Boehner and William Wallace?

  33. 33
    AA+ Bonds says:

    The President has one chance, which is to overstep the understood boundaries between the Presidency and Congressional races in 2014 like never before by expanding individual endorsement of candidates to include nationwide addresses intimating that Americans can either vote for Democrats or see the country fall into economic ruin.

    He will be called Mao or worse. Still, it’s his only chance.

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    Brachiator says:

    I remain confident in my prediction the other day that absolutely nothing is going to happen until the markets crash.

    The markets crashing is actually kind of trivial. Markets crash and bounce back.

    The near term negative impact on government operations and the overall impact on the economy will be devastating.

    At this point, I would almost love to see the Republicans kill the compromise. This will immediately precipitate a tax filing crisis if the GOP does not at least offer a compromise bill to fix the alternative minimum tax for 2012.

    This would also mean that the GOP would kill the small 2012 deduction that teachers get for out of pocket school related expenses. Also, student loan interest deductions get much tighter, some education deductions disappear in 2012 and some people who itemize deductions get screwed.

    Or the President goes on the air and notes that a shitload of people cannot file their 2012 taxes and get their refunds until the GOP gets their shit together. 2012, people, not 2013.

    On the other hand, you cannot count on the public directing their anger solely at the Republicans.

    More importantly, the GOP just don’t care. Note how Obama took himself out of the negotiations and sent Biden to try to work a deal. This was an incredible ego free move.

    So, now we know that the GOP doesn’t just hate Obama. They don’t just hate the Democrats.

    They hate America.

    They don’t care who gets hurt along the way. And so, there is no guarantee that they will see reason later on. And Cantor trying to sound tough only underscores Republican intransigence.

    Also, there is no universe in which Republicans will not gain some concessions. So you have to decide what poison you will accept.

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    Joel says:

    Since when did the Rose Parade get broadcast on every major network? God, I hate parades, but meaningless ones are the worst of all.

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    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:



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    Machine-Gun Preacher (formerly Ben Franklin) says:


    Heh. Local channel 5 is lugubriously lascivious about their patronage, and runs it over and over all, fucking day long.

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    debbie says:

    More importantly, where is that picture from?

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    hep kitty says:

    I’m watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest which somehow seems appropriate.

    “Mr. Martini? Are you with us?”

    Although the protagonist and mental patients are more sympathetic characters with more humanity and a better connection with reality than these people, who think they can create their own reality, not just for themselves but for everyone. Take Fox News. Fox News as Nurse Ratchett?

    “I’m not just talking about one person, I’m talking about everybody! I’m talking about form! I’m talking about content! I’m talking about interrelationships! I’m talking about God, the devil, hell, heaven! Do you understand??! Finally??!”


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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    Braveheart, I do believe.

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    debbie says:

    @ Villago Delenda Est:

    Thanks. I’d have thought it was a Monty Python outtake.

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    jharp says:

    That picture really made me laugh.

    Good one.

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    hoodie says:

    @Brachiator: I doubt Obama is going to give any concessions of significance to Cantor, who is worth less than a bucket of warm spit as long as Boehner is still speaker. We just had an 89-8 vote in the Senate. Boehner is the one who has to decide whether to put it up for an up or down vote, which he likely will. Cantor is either making a play to unseat Boehner or is just trying to create space for enough Republicans to vote no while it still passes. Maybe Pelosi should tell Boehner and Cantor minimum 100 R votes or no deal.

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    sheithappens says:

    As usual, fat bastard Christie and Senator Manchin lover wrong again Cole is…well WRONG again!

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