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Contemplative boxer dogs:

Still can’t seem to shake holiday mode; I guess it will have to continue until 1/2/13! What are y’all up to today?

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  1. 1
    Schlemizel says:

    NEED COFFEE! When I read that I saw “12/13” and was wondering if you meant St. Lucia’s day or National Cocoa Day (both Dec 13).

    Started to ask & then my eyes finally focused. 1/2/13

  2. 2
    JPL says:

    Cute puppies.
    When you have a chance, how about pictures of your kitchen remodel.

  3. 3
    The Red Pen says:

    Start your morning off with something entirely made from stupid!

    Two dozen Americans in Israel are suing U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for negligence in allowing the United States to fund the Palestinian Authority, which used money for terror.

    This has been posted on Free Republic five times already this morning.

  4. 4
    Randy P says:

    Obviously pondering the recent election and its deeper meaning for America in the coming decades…

    Or there’s a squirrel just outside the window.

    I love how dogs & cats can look noble and heroic when they’re doing things that really aren’t, like begging for some of your turkey.

  5. 5
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Those boxers are gorgeous!!

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    dr. bloor says:

    @The Red Pen: the counter suits for funding a rogue nuclear state should be entertaining.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @JPL: Sadly, I’m not quite done! Well, I’m mostly done. But we still have to install the back splash and toe-kick thingies under the cabinets.

    @Randy P: Right? They’re probably thinking, “Shall I lick my butt or yours?”

  8. 8
    Carnacki says:

    Horror author H.P. Lovecraft on Republicans from a 1936 letter is as timely now as it was then:

    “As for the Republicans—how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’…) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.”

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    J. says:

    Great picture of the girls, Betty.

    And speaking of dogs and holidays, check out this video of Sloopy the Chihuahua salsa dancing for turkey. Amazing. (Of course, a cat would have just jumped up on the counter and whacked the bird off….)

  10. 10
    jeffreyw says:

    @JPL:
    Those aren’t cute puppies.
    These are cute puppies.
    /Paul Hogan

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    Mark S. says:

    I guess Asians are the new Jews. Maybe Charles Murray is actually a comedian, because this part made me lol:

    Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.

    I actually clicked over to the original piece to see if Murray actually tries to refute the notion that goopers are Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Nope, that’s the very last paragraph of the piece.

  12. 12
    R-Jud says:

    @Carnacki: Just read that out loud to the group at our breakfast table and asked for guesses as to when it was written. Guesses ranged from 1890-1955, with Mom’s guess of 1935 being closest.

    She has no idea who H.P. Lovecraft was, though, so my husband is now explaining Cthulu to her. Very amusing.

    We’ll be playing in the snow and visiting a friend’s horses this morning. Then helping Mom and Dad list some things on eBay this afternoon.

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  14. 14
    Schlemizel says:

    posted earlier but it got eatted I guess

    Anybody have good background on heifer international? Their ad has popped up on BJ.

    Last Xmas I had the kids donate there instead of a gift for me because it seems like a really worthy idea. Then I started to worry about the origination. Googling it makes them appear pretty legit and decent but I was hoping someone here my have seen their work in action and could confirm their actions.

    heifer.org – they provide animals and equipment for sustainable farming in 125 countries around the world.

  15. 15
    Mark S. says:

    @Carnacki:

    such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical ‘American heritage’

    It’s kind of depressing to see that we’ve been arguing with the same idiots for 80 years.

  16. 16
    HRA says:

    I am beginning to feel that old enemy called disgusted rear it’s ugly head as I see, hear and read those who call themselves progressives keep on attacking the president. Who are these people who keep putting the cart before the horse? Are they really supporters?

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    JCT says:

    Great boxers!

    I’m nearly catatonic from being up with one of our beagles. Our youngest was home from college for the first time over the holidays and decided that he had to raid the turkey leftovers at 3;30AM. Some things never change. Except this time he forgot to put them back in the fridge and the marauding food-obsessed beagle ate ALL of them. So he is back at school and I have a cranky beagle with the runs. Grrrrr.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Mark S.:

    I guess Asians are the new Jews.

    I saw a link on Free Republic to an article entitled “Why Don’t Asians Vote Republican?”

    My first thought was, “Maybe the stereotype is true and they are all good at math.”

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    handsmile says:

    @Carnacki:

    Where and how did you unearth that brilliant and timely quotation? And thanks for doing so!
    Makes me glad we have Krgthulu on our side to fight against the Republican undead.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @Schlemizel:

    They’ve been around for a while. I haven’t investigated but I’ve never heard anything bad about them. It seems like a wonderful idea.

  21. 21
    quannlace says:

    This has been posted on Free Republic five times already this morning.

    Well, they need something to post ad nauseum, now that Allan West has conceded.

  22. 22
    Linda Featheringill says:

    It’s snowing!

    This is my first snow this season, although not the first one for this location.

    Anyway, it’s wet and white and all those things.

  23. 23
    Mark S. says:

    @The Red Pen:

    Why on earth were you hanging out at Free Republic?

  24. 24
    gene108 says:

    until 1/2/13!

    You act like the world’s not going to end on 12/21…so confident that 2013’s going to get here…

  25. 25
    dww44 says:

    I’m enjoying an all too brief morning of needed rain while catching up with the local paper after a couple of days absence and found this delicious rebuttal of an Erick Erickson op-ed in the local paper, Erickson has a regular gig on our editorial pages.

    Erickson wants it both ways

    After Erick Erickson’s editorial in the Friday Telegraph we all know that he believes in miracles and doesn’t ascribe to a “an effeminate Christ who only hugs kids and cries, but does not fight…” He also apparently believes that at least some science is fine for Christians to believe, as long as it doesn’t interfere with miracle-believing.

    Mr. Erickson, sort of cleverly, under the pretense of discussing science and religion, wraps himself in both the flag and the Shroud of Turin. He claims to know “the Christ that is” while also knowing that any other kind of Christ is the invention of “weak theologians” whose only goal is to turn Christians into “milquetoast weepers.”

    Here’s the thing: You can’t have it both ways, Erick. If you want to put Christ into politics, that’s fine. Just remember that he is against war. He is for redistribution of wealth. He doesn’t merely want to tax the rich more than the middle class; he doesn’t think the rich can actually get into heaven. He’s all about canceling indebtedness and returning land to its original owners (at least every 50 years). He is, in short, much more socially and economically radical than President Obama.

    But I know you will say that these are personal issues, not for government. Well, that’s fine too. But then save your cotton-icking sermonizing for Sunday School, or go back to school and become a scientist so you can discover something that actually helps people.

    — Patrick Pritchard

    http://www.macon.com/2012/11/2.....rylink=cpy

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    handsmile says:

    @Schlemizel:

    I realize this doesn’t quite answer your question, but for the past three years, we have contributed shares in sheep, llama and water buffalo through Heifer International. We plan to donate additional shares this year as well.

    It is our great good fortune that we do not live in those parts of the world where we might see at first-hand “their work in action,” but my professional experience with non-profit management makes me reasonably confident in the integrity of their activities.

    Also, perhaps you’ve seen this summary evaluation of the organization:

    http://www.charitynavigator.or.....orgid=3809

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    normal liberal says:

    @Linda Featheringill: Heifer Intl. will follow up your donation with masses of mailings. I started to wonder about the cost split between the actual program and the ongoing fundraising. It’s a neat idea, but I would be curious to see some data about long-term benefits to recipients of the animals.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @gene108: All of my half and half has an expiry date of 12/13. Coincidence?

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    Carnacki says:

    @handsmile: I was looking up another quote about space of all things in 2008. I dig it out every once in a while. It’s from a letter to author C.L. Moore, one of Lovecraft’s literary circle and unearthed by Lovecraftian scholar S.T. Joshi. By the way, if you’ve never listened to the H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcast, it’s well worth downloading from the beginning and every episode after from iTunes.

    A quote from another letter to a different person:

    “I used to be a hide-bound Tory simply for traditional and antiquarian reasons—and because I had never done any real thinking on civics and industry and the future. The depression—and its concomitant publicisation of industrial, financial, and governmental problems—jolted me out of my lethargy and led me to reëxamine the facts of history in the light of unsentimental scientific analysis; and it was not long before I realised what an ass I had been. The liberals at whom I used to laugh were the ones who were right—for they were living in the present while I had been living in the past. They had been using science while I had been using romantic antiquarianism. At last I began to recognise something of the way in which capitalism works—always piling up concentrated wealth and impoverishing the bulk of the population until the strain becomes so intolerable as to force artificial reform.”

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    pk says:

    @The Red Pen:

    My first thought was, “Maybe the stereotype is true and they are all good at math.”

    I don’t get why it is so hard for republicans to understand that Asians overwhelmingly voted against them. Are Asians supposed to ignore the hatred directed towards African-Americans and latinos because Asians themselves have not been directly targeted by the Republican party. A lot of South-East Asians have experienced anti-muslim hatred, because of course the bigots cannot tell the difference between Muslims, Buddhists, hindus, or sikhs (there was also the incidence of the the massacre at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin). I have a friend, a legal resident who was stopped at the California-Arizona border for 5hrs because he looks Latino. He had to call his boss to fax his work papers to prove that he was here legally and going for a conference. I am sure he had plenty of time to contemplate liberty,freedom and the constitution in those 5 hrs.
    My only question is who are the twenty five percent dimwit Asians who are voting republican? I know only two Asians who voted Republican, and what both have in common is they can easily pass off as white. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

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    Randy P says:

    @jeffreyw: I’m starting to make flight reservations for christmas. If the world ends on the 21st, do you think flights will be discounted by the 24th? How about car rental? Shouldn’t I get some kind of free upgrade to a vehicle that can deal with a lifeless landscape of molten lava?

    Even though I usually like compacts, I always lusted after the car from Damnation Alley. Either the story or the movie.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Mark S.:

    Why on earth were you hanging out at Free Republic?

    It’s the only humor site that my work’s net-nanny allows me to view.

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    catclub says:

    @jeffreyw: So half expires on the twelfth and half on the thirteenth?

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    The Red Pen says:

    @pk:

    My only question is who are the twenty five percent dimwit Asians who are voting republican? I know only two Asians who voted Republican, and what both have in common is they can easily pass off as white. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

    There are a lot of politically conservative Asians. A lot of them buy into the “America is the land of opportunity if you just work hard,” world of the Republicans because that is what they, their parents or their grandparents experienced. They often come from places where the government is corrupt and inefficient, so they relate to that. It really is amazing that they are not more Republican.

    It really underscores how actively Republican parochialism actively drives them away. Most of them got here, in part, by pursuing higher education and the Republican anti-intellectualism rubs them the wrong way. Finally, you’re point about being “white” enough to be accepted certainly rings true.

    Would Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal be Republicans if they were still Hindu and had names like Lakshmi and Durgaprasad? Quite possibly. Would they be Republican Governors? No way.

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    handsmile says:

    @Carnacki:

    Thanks again for these now-bookmarked quotations and the recommendation of the Lovecraft podcast. While familiar with Lovecraft’s fiction, your comments may prompt me to pick up Joshi’s biography.

    It is gratifying that recent literary scholarship has recognized and burnished his achievement. The decision several years ago by the Library of America to publish a volume of Lovecraft’s work has secured his rightful place in the American literary canon.

    Quite evidently, you are deeply immersed in Lovecraftia. Do be careful in the Mountains though.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Randy P: I believe the carriages come with teams of Pale Horses, and footmen!

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    Yutsano says:

    @The Red Pen: You mean Piyush wouldn’t have been elected if he had used his real name? UNPOSSIBLE! Only Democrats are teh real racists and don’t you dare say otherwise!

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    vheidi says:

    @handsmile: we gave Mom an ark* for her 70th. Pretty sure step-dad did the research for that.
    *think that’s one set of all of the animals

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    The Red Pen says:

    @Yutsano: Piyush? Did not know that. Well, Thomas Montgomery Haverford gets it.

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    Origuy says:

    @pk:

    My only question is who are the twenty five percent dimwit Asians who are voting republican?

    A lot of older Vietnamese and Taiwanese still think of Republicans as anti-Communist. They have personal reasons to hate communism like the Cubans do.

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    burnspbesq says:

    The future is here, and it looks pretty dystopian.

    Today’s evidence:

    http://www.suasnews.com/2012/1.....urth-time/

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    burnspbesq says:

    @jeffreyw:

    The dog’s not bad, either.

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    The Red Pen says:

    @burnspbesq: If drones are outlawed, only outlaws will have drones.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @normal liberal:

    That is what got me concerned also. A LOT of follow up letters. The people who track these groups say only 28% goes to admin & fundraising. I guess there books are online but I was hoping for someone who had first hand knowledge of good or bad.

    Thanks to everyone who commented

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @pk:

    G and I were just talking about this, and I was saying that Republicans seem to have this weird idea that when they say “immigrants,” everyone should know that they’re only talking about immigrants from Latin America. Funnily enough, people who immigrated from places like Taiwan or South Korea or China don’t have that magical translation power and when they hear Republicans and conservatives railing about “immigrants,” they make the natural assumption that Republicans are complaining about them.

    (Note: I am not Asian or Asian-American, so I could very well be talking out of my ass here. Still, it makes sense to me.)

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Schlemizel:

    In addition to what everyone else has said, Heifer International has been around for many years. I remember that Susan Sarandon used to do TV commercials for them back in the 1990s. So that’s probably also a point in their favor.

    I do wish there was a way to tell charities to STOP SENDING PAPER MAIL after you donate. I feel terrible that Doctors Without Borders and Oxfam are wasting all of this postage and paper sending the same appeals to me via snail mail that they’re already sending via e-mail. Where can I opt out, fer goshsakes?

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    gwangung says:

    I don’t get why it is so hard for republicans to understand that Asians overwhelmingly voted against them. Are Asians supposed to ignore the hatred directed towards African-Americans and latinos because Asians themselves have not been directly targeted by the Republican party. A lot of South-East Asians have experienced anti-muslim hatred, because of course the bigots cannot tell the difference between Muslims, Buddhists, hindus, or sikhs (there was also the incidence of the the massacre at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin). I have a friend, a legal resident who was stopped at the California-Arizona border for 5hrs because he looks Latino. He had to call his boss to fax his work papers to prove that he was here legally and going for a conference. I am sure he had plenty of time to contemplate liberty,freedom and the constitution in those 5 hrs.

    There are actually lots of reasons, all of which seem to fly over Republicans’ heads. For example, there’s the oft-forgotten fact that the President’s SISTER is Asian American. And that the birther temper tantrum is the exact same thing as “Hey, where do you REALLY come from? You speak English so good!” crap. And that the Republican zeal to bash schools and teachers doesn’t play well with ANY group that places a high regard on getting head. And that many are immigrants from countries ruled by an authoritarian government in bed with the monyed upper class. And….

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    gwangung says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I was saying that Republicans seem to have this weird idea that when they say “immigrants,” everyone should know that they’re only talking about immigrants from Latin America. Funnily enough, people who immigrated from places like Taiwan or South Korea or China don’t have that magical translation power and when they hear Republicans and conservatives railing about “immigrants,” they make the natural assumption that Republicans are complaining about them.

    Yeah. Stupid immigrants. Don’t know how to speak English.

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    Yutsano says:

    @gwangung:

    doesn’t play well with ANY group that places a high regard on getting head.

    :: whistles innocently ::

    I found your missing A.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @dww44: Bravo to Patrick!

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    Cassidy says:

    Completely not related to politics, the UFC signed it’s first female fighters a couple of weeks ago and are looking at having their first Main event headlined by women. It’s been interesting watching the evolution of WMMA as it goes through the same pitfalls of early MMA in the 90’s. I think it’s finally reaching that point where athletic women might see it as a viable career option.

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    muddy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I do wish there was a way to tell charities to STOP SENDING PAPER MAIL after you donate. I feel terrible that Doctors Without Borders and Oxfam are wasting all of this postage and paper sending the same appeals to me via snail mail that they’re already sending via e-mail. Where can I opt out, fer goshsakes?

    I call them on the phone and tell them to stop. I point out that it makes me feel *less* like giving because it seems like they are wasting the donation I gave last time.

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    Humble Lurker says:

    @Carnacki:
    I wonder if the modern Republican party might have made a hypocrite out of Lovecraft. He was quite the racist.

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    Carnacki says:

    @Humble Lurker: Hard to say. He certainly was racist and he also hated the Irish, the Italians, Portugese, Slavs, and Jews. He did after all marry woman who was Jewish, so I think that shows his bigotry was not set in stone. Many racist Democrats in the Northeast remained in the party, either evolving or seeing race as less relevant to them than the economic issues. They differed from southern Democrats, who left the party because they could see a tangible loss of their unjust hold on power because of the Voting Rights Act and the ending of segregationist laws. Some Lovecraftians think Lovecraft’s later stories showed his views on race were evolving, but I’m not sure I agree with that. The H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcasts tackles Lovecraft’s racism head on in several episodes, particularly the Horror at Red Hook.

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    Cmm says:

    @Schlemizel:

    We have been donating to Heifer for several years. From the due diligence we have done and the reports they send out, they appear to be on the level and very good.

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