Open Thread: Thanksgiving Leftovers

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Mr. Charles P. Pierce, at Esquire:

When you come right down to the bottom of the chafing dish, Thanksgiving is a holiday of great ambivalence. A day allegedly dedicated to thanking the great Whoever that enough white people survived the winter in Plymouth to kick off 300-odd years of continent-wide genocide. A day dedicated to celebrating the simple gifts that the great Whoever bestowed upon this land, yet one that we mark by going crazy over cheap, Chinese-slave-labor produced crap at 12:01 a.m. the very next morning. Also, too: the Detroit Lions. Sometimes, America is a very tough room…

Also, Slate raises the possibility that “The Pilgrims Should Have Been Thankful for a Spirochete“. (Not the one you’re thinking of, pervert!)

45 replies
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    Maude says:

    Most of the pilgrims didn’t survive.
    Mr. Pierce need to take an antidepressant.
    Next he’s be writing that Obama is going to cut Social Security. And take away our guns.

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    Schlemizel says:


    So, you didn’t read the piece. Thats not a problem unless you feel the need to comment on what you didn’t read.

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    Publius39 says:

    @Maude: Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, eh?

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    Maude says:

    Seeing the excerpt, I wouldn’t read the piece. I commented on the excerpt.

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    redshirt says:

    Thanksgiving is a great time as an American to leave America, I’ve found. I’ve traveled overseas a half dozen times over thanksgiving and it’s the best. Few other Americans where ever you go!

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    gogol's wife says:


    Every time I’ve gone to that guy’s blog because it was recommended here I’ve been sorely disappointed. He’s longwinded and not as funny as he thinks he is. “Zombie-eyed granny starver” is good, though — I think that was his coinage.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    Well whadda ya know. Ohio State comes to life and saves their post-season future by scoring four goals in the third to beat Princeton.

    This is one of those games where my WCHA fandom and my Ann Arbor upbringing collide in a sixteen car pileup.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Schlemizel: It’s also inaccurate. Smallpox had already decimated most Native tribes by the time the Mayflower passengers arrived. We are not without sin by stomping on all treaties and agreements with them, but the Pilgrims did not start the genocide.

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    gogol's wife says:


    The excerpt does make the post look much more depress-y than it actually is, though.

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    suzanne says:

    Yesterday was awesome. Today has sucked.

    So the plumber came over to look at the water heater, which is barely warming the water enough to not freeze one’s delicate parts off in the shower. Both it and my kitchen faucet are fucked. $1200 to replace/install/repair everything. Then found maggots under my trash can, probably thanks to the baby throwing food on the floor, which I try very hard to clean, but obviously missed some bits. Sent out an Evite for my daughter’s birthday party, and the first person to reply says that she’ll be bringing my daughter’s friend….and her two sisters, as well.

    First world problems, first world problems…..

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    Raven says:

    @suzanne: What’s wrong with the faucet? They ain’t rocket science.

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    suzanne says:

    @Raven: Leaky, covered in scale, and the hose part doesn’t work. The house is 25 years old, so quite a few things are just worn. I want one with the removable neck hose thingy for filling pots, too.

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    Thlayli says:


    I had heard it was smallpox, also. That doesn’t mean lepto didn’t pass through as well.

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    slag says:

    @Schlemizel: I’m with Maude in that I think an excerpt should reflect, at least somewhat, the intended meaning of the post. Otherwise, it’s a distinctly slippery slope into “you didn’t build that” territory.

    That said, I’m also with Pierce:

    I know, it sounds sappy, but I really believe that, buried beneath all the nonsense and avarice and plain meanness with which we too often manifest our politics, there is a feeling of a political commonwealth that is worth getting back to and, having arrived there, worth preserving.

    Having just watched Lincoln, which (while needlessly melodramatic in several parts) was a reasonably accurate representation of complex historical events, I find myself somewhat in awe of how quickly—yet slowly—things can change. It’s a muddle worth fighting for.

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    Raven says:

    @suzanne: Ah, major upgrade!

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    MikeJ says:


    I want one with the removable neck hose thingy for filling pots, too.

    I have two sinks with those, but I didn’t pay enough attention on the second one. They both have a thingie on the neck to switch from stream to spray. The good one has a thing you can hold to pause the flow, which the second one (near the coffee pot) does not. Which means you have to drag the nozzle over to the coffee pot and *then* turn on the water. Sounds trivial but it annoys me every morning.

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    Maude says:

    The Delaware tribe split and they think some of them came to NJ. There was this huge outcry at some point that they had been given blankets with smallpox. It was proven that it wasn’t true. There was enough bloodshed and murder without stuff being made up.
    I don’t usually get out of the boat. I have dial up.
    BTW, thanks for using the term worthless about someone in a post in another thread. Made me smile. I know people like that.

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    Anoniminous says:


    Could always take the coffee pot to the water source.

    (Unless you’re one of the Heathen Unwashed and use something other than a French Press to make your morning cup o’ Java.)

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    Maude says:

    I always bookmark and look at your pictures.
    The one of the Halloween moon with the power line is perfect. It’s the line that gives it the drama and beauty.
    You have talent.

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    Raven says:

    @Anoniminous: He could always walk a couple of miles for coffee in the morning like we do!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Wonderful photo!

    I really like “Spirit in the Sky” but I resent like hell that it was the go-to bumper music for every RWNJ radio talker in Atlanta throughout the ’80s and ’90s.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    He could always walk a couple of miles for coffee in the morning like we do!

    Uphill, both ways?

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    Raven says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I always thought it was a stupid ass bubblegum song myself. Now, Mass In F Minor by the Electric Prunes, that was some tunes!

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @efgoldman: you had feet? Lucky bastard…

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    Raven says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Pretty flat in our part of town. Hopefully we will get an accurate diagnoses of the Princess’s back problems with the MRI and Xray results. She’s been unable to make the trek for almost 2 months.

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    debit says:


    In a blizzard, barefoot.

    Luxury. In my day, we didn’t even have feet. We walked on stumps and were grateful.

    ETA: Woodrowfan knows what I’m talking about.

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    Raven says:

    @debit: It is MY day!

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    Raven says:

    And best in show is


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    debit says:

    @Raven: I also meant to say that is beautiful picture you took. Hauntingly lovely.

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    Raven says:

    @debit: Aw thanks!

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    debit says:

    @efgoldman: My daughter says, “Is this story set back in the days when you wore an onion on your belt (as was the style at the time)?”

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    oceanic dude says:

    I am sure you all read about the san antonio mayhem. Man cuts in line, argues with other patrons and eventually punches a man in the face. That man then pulls a gun, patrons go running, the puncher/line cutter hides behind a fridge before fleeing the store. TPM is reporting that the fridge was deeply discounted. Gunman not charged bc he had a concealed handgun license.
    My SNL skit: all the above occurs with the added bonus of multiple people pulling guns, and they circle each other guns drawn in a Mexican standoff. People are cowering on ground, cashier saves the day by throwing a half off chuck norris Texas Walker DVD. They drop guns and dive for dvd, in the melee people run to safety.

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    SectionH says:

    Mike Luckovitch is great. My NYResolution #1: seek out the cartoonists you liked before falling into the Net completely! — so let me say a belated Thank You to Anne Laurie for posting so many great cartoons I’d “uv” missed otherwise!

    Also too, and Otherwise, Mr S is stuck in LA because SAN is fogged out. Again. He can stay there. I’ve already driven up there and back again today*, and I’m notnotnot doing it tonight, and then again tomorrow morning AND evening.

    The trains just didn’t work for our timeframes. They were srsly the first choice.

    (This post brought to you by the family caregiver, who is rather happy to be +3 now, and SO happy to be staying home tonight.)

    *We do have tix to the Hobbit premier here, and got some for our Aussie friends who will be in town. That’s when we have a celebration.

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    Dennis G. says:

    I’ve been reading 1491 and 1493. Massive epidemics wiped out Native Americans throughout North and South America. New England was heavily populated until they were hit with them. That rats bought some of them is not that surprising. Some also think that it was a combination of multiple diseases brought from Europe. Small Pox spread rapidly throughout Native populations after 1492.

    Fascinating books if you haven’t read them.


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    cckids says:

    @debit: My BIL was 49 when his son was born.When the kid got to be 5 or so, he asked his dad if, when he was a kid, if the world was in color yet or still in black & white.

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    Maude says:

    @Dennis G.:
    There was a second round of the plague and it killed a lot of people in Egypt as well as other places.
    A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman (sp) is really interesting and easy to read.

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    Quaker in a Basement says:

    Slate raises the possibility that “The Pilgrims Should Have Been Thankful for a Spirochete“. (Not the one you’re thinking of, pervert!)

    My crazy old maiden aunt had a spirokeet. She taught it to sing like, a hundred verses of Barnacle Bill and let it fly around her living room crapping all over stuff.

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    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    @Raven: OMG, I thought I was the only one that had an album by the Electric Prunes!

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    danielx says:

    McMegan strikes again….

    Shorter Megan McArdle: the incompetent managers who ran Hostess into the ground while getting paid big bucks have all left the scene, so absolutely it’s the union’s fault that the company is being dissolved. See how that works?

    Note: this technique is also known as the shell game, also known as three card monte.

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    Narcissus says:

    @Dennis G.: 1491 is a great book.

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    Thlayli says:


    Barbara Tuchman (sp)

    That’s right. I liked The March of Folly .

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    Kathy in St. Louis says:

    @Yutsano: I sort of got the impression that Charlie was talking about a long drawn out 300 year decimation of Native Americans, not just whether we brought them diseases or not. We killed them and their culture slowly, but with the enthusiasm that has always made America “great”. Just ask our history books.

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