Thursday Evening Open Thread: How Erick Erickson Passes for An Intellectual A Moderate in Georgia

… It’s the level of competion. Tim Murphy at Mother Jones, “Top Georgia GOP Lawmakers Host Briefing on Secret Obama Mind-Control Plot”

President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as “Delphi” to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That’s according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.

On October 11, at a closed-door meeting of the Republican caucus convened by the body’s majority leader, Chip Rogers, a tea party activist told Republican lawmakers that Obama was mounting this most diabolical conspiracy. The event—captured on tape by a member of the Athens-based watchdog Better Georgia (who was removed from the room after 52 minutes)—had been billed as an information session on Agenda 21, a nonbinding UN agreement that commits member nations to promote sustainable development. In the eyes of conservative activists, Agenda 21 is a nefarious plot that includes forcibly relocating non-urban-dwellers and prescribing mandatory contraception as a means of curbing population growth. The invitation to the Georgia state Senate event noted the presentation would explain: “How pleasant sounding names are fostering a Socialist plan to change the way we live, eat, learn, and communicate to ‘save the earth.'”

The meeting consisted of a PowerPoint presentation followed by a 90-minute screening of the anti-Agenda 21 documentary, Agenda: Grinding America Down. It was emceed by Field Searcy, a local conservative activist who was forced out of the Georgia Tea Party in April due to his endorsement of conspiracy theories about the president’s birth certificate and the collapse of World Trade Center Tower 7. The presentation also featured a special video cameo from conservative talking-head Dick Morris in which the former Clinton aide warns that Obama “wants to force everyone into the cities from whence our ancestors fled.”…

Delphi Mind Control! At least when you stare at goats, there’s a self-aware entity staring back at you. There’s video at the link, but it’s dinner time here on the East Coast…

Apart from mocking those who, in Mark Twain’s words “could exchange the contents of his head for the contents of a pie, and nobody would be worse off except the pie”, what’s on the agenda this evening?

71 replies
  1. 1
    PaulW says:

    Two things:
    1) getting my NaNoWriMo word count past 25,000 words tonight, and
    2) asking the local authorities to Baker Act the Georgia legislature… whadda ya mean, Florida doesn’t have jurisdiction?!

  2. 2
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    You know who else used mind control tricks in Georgia?

  3. 3
    Eric U. says:

    I want a t-shirt that says something like “official UN agenda 21 compliance inspector” And some Obama branded jackboots

  4. 4
    Big R says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: Jimmy Carter?

  5. 5
    Zifnab25 says:

    I just want to point out that Georgia went to Romney by eight points. Compare that to Texas, where Romney took it by over twenty points.

    Keep cranking up the crazy, down there. The Greater Atlanta Area is just going to keep getting Greater (thanks to Mind Control! and certainly not the free market, no sir) and keep making the state bluer.

  6. 6
    BGinCHI says:

    If you use the phrase “from whence” without irony or putting on a humorous English accent, you are a fraud.

    This is right out of the Newt playbook.

    What stupid people think a smart person sounds like.

  7. 7
    Chris says:

    Chris Christie objects. The line “you weak-minded fool! He’s using an old Jedi mind trick!” was HIS in the script.

  8. 8
    TheMightyTrowel says:

    Just. I mean. WTF. Fuck me.

  9. 9
    Mnemosyne says:

    Whose ancestors fled the cities, Dick? Mine fled the rural areas where they had to herd fucking sheep all day and didn’t have indoor plumbing.

    Of course, Dick is talking less about “ancestors” and more about his actual audience. But calling them “ancestors” makes them feel like they’re awesome pioneers for fleeing to the exurbs.

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    By be it from me to say that I fathom the depths of wingnut logic, but it’s weird to me that they think Obama can control minds on the one hand, and on the other hand, think that coercing “Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities” is the end game, and not something darker and crazier.

  11. 11
    red dog says:

    Are you guys sure this wasn’t in Texas, then I would believe it.

  12. 12
    Mnemosyne says:

    BTW, for people who want to make their own “Agenda 21” t-shirts, I recommend Customized Girl. (It’s okay, fellas, they have men’s sizes, too.) Very flexible system, good quality shirts, quick shipping.

  13. 13
    Schlemizel says:

    I read shit like this and all I can do is pray to FSM for a giant meteor to end all the pain and madness

  14. 14
    Pavonis says:

    To pour some oil on the fire in a philosophical mood:

    We will have to change the ways we live in order to deal with global warming and resource depletion. The world always changes. In a hundred years, global warming will have changed our world into something very new and challenging. We will need either new technologies or lifestyle changes, but probably both, in order to deal with the threat.

    It is a great conservative delusion that the present day can last forever. The world changes. No nation can last forever, not even the United States. But do we want a civilization characterized by peace, scientific advancement, and sustainability? Or a culture declining into a new dark age without the fuels needed to run its cars, trucks, and factories and its farms turned into desert? For if we run out of fossil fuels or completely ruin the environment through global warming, civilization can never recover. Our civilization is fragile and must maintain its technological, scientific, and cultural advancement* in order to survive.

    Disclaimer: I do not condone mind control, forced birth control, or forced relocation. But we do need to build a sustainable society.

    * I dream that someday humans can build an interstellar empire (a nice empire, not an evil one). But that is far in the future and only if we make through the next 200 years without ruining ourselves.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    There are many many people in Georgia who would love to here more about the ‘fucking sheep’ your ancestors raised.

    My questions would be did they also raise them for meat, milk and wool or just for the purpose the Georgians are interested in?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Big R:
    General Sherman?

  17. 17
    dmsilev says:

    All this talk about Delphi mind control is simply a smokescreen. Obama is using his *real* mind control powers to compel the Tea Party nitwits to talk about it to prevent us from realizing the truth.

  18. 18
    redshirt says:

    ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD

  19. 19
    Ruviana says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah, I was thinking, “He wants to send me to London or Manchester?”

  20. 20
    jl says:

    Teaching statistics computer lab. My favorite kind of Thursday evening!

  21. 21
    FlipYrWhig says:

    That thing from Dick Morris — or, more to the point, that thing from that thing Dick Morris — about ancestors fleeing cities… is he talking about white flight? Or is this some wingnut thing about Egyptian captivity or something?

  22. 22
    Ben Franklin says:

    Holeeeeee Shite ! When did I enter Hell ?

  23. 23
    Mnemosyne says:

    Mmmmm … pie.

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    PaulW says:

    @Zifnab25:

    Keep cranking up the crazy, down there. The Greater Atlanta Area is just going to keep getting Greater (thanks to Mind Control! and certainly not the free market, no sir) and keep making the state bluer.

    The Fall Of Atlanta:

    …Atlanta was a city, landlocked, hundreds of miles from the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean. Yet so desperate the city’s desire for tourism, that they moved offshore, becoming an island, and an even bigger Delta hub.

    …Until the city overdeveloped, and began to sink. Knowing their fate, the quality people ran away. Ted Turner, Hank Aaron, Jeff Foxworthy, the man who invented Coca Cola, the Magician, and the other Gods of our legends. Though Gods they were – and also, Jane Fonda was there…

    …The others chose to stay behind in their porches with their rifles, and in time evolved into mermaids, and sing and dance, and ring in the new… – Donovan

  25. 25
    sacrablue says:

    CA-07 vote count update: Ami Bera now leads Dan Lungren by 5696 votes.

  26. 26
    Chris says:

    @Anonymous:

    By be it from me to say that I fathom the depths of wingnut logic, but it’s weird to me that they think Obama can control minds on the one hand, and on the other hand, think that coercing “Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities” is the end game, and not something darker and crazier.

    They also believe that 1) there is a dark One-World Government communist federal government conspiracy that wants to take all their freedumbs away, and 2) the forces of the One-World Government conspiracy truly have nothing better to do with their time than to fly their black helicopters around Montana and Idaho mutilating cattle. Which is somehow going to bring down the constitution.

  27. 27
    aimai says:

    Steve M at No More Mr. Nice Blog had a nice piece up today about just how far back this fascination with “mind control” and specifically the evils of faux consensus building goes. He finds Phyllis Schlafley (and you have to go back a ways to even remember when she was relevant, although she is still alive) arguing that precisely the kinds of social, democratic, and communal activities that (for example) a community organizer would encourage in order to problem solve (meetings, discussions, consensus, respect for the opinions of others) are nefarious. This reminds me of Norquist’s or Rove’s (?) observation that “bipartisanship is just another word for date rape.” The right always takes something you pride yourself on and turns it into a smear. But it works–the harder you scream “consensus is really oppression” the easier it is to keep your voters hysterical and on their guard against even discussion of difficult issues.

    aimai

  28. 28
    the Conster says:

    Makes you wonder what they won’t believe, other than the truth that is.

  29. 29
    Schlemizel says:

    @PaulW:

    Though Morans they were
    And as the morans of our time choose to remain stupid
    Let us rejoice and let us sing And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlanta
    DOOOOOWN below the ocean is where I want them to be – she may be
    DOWN below the ocean is where I want them to be – she may be
    DOWN below the ocean is where I want them to be – she may be

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    Chris says:

    @Pavonis:

    I dream that someday humans can build an interstellar empire (a nice empire, not an evil one).

    Star Trek, not Firefly.

  31. 31
    BGinCHI says:

    @aimai: It would be much easier for them if they just looked “ideology” up in a non-wingnut dictionary.

    Their minds are being controlled: by a combination of misinformation and stupidity (add a dash of fear and intellectual laziness).

  32. 32
    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    My questions would be did they also raise them for meat, milk and wool or just for the purpose the Georgians are interested in?

    As the Scots are wont to sing,
    Hey, McLeod, get offa my ewe…

  33. 33
    JohnK says:

    @Pavonis: Mad Max meets Red Dawn

  34. 34

    These assholes are the same assholes who’ve infested the deep south since before John C. Calhoun. The paranoia and undying anger mystify me. I really don’t understand what the fuck they’ve been so pissed off about, and so fucking scared of all this time. For most of their history, they’ve gotten their way.

    They kept slavery for 80 years, and blew the country up to keep it longer, and even when they lost the war, they found a way to keep slavery going in all but name for another 100 years. For most of the time since then, they’ve had one of their own in the White House. I can see why President Obama drives them over the edge, but the weird thing is that this shit is nothing new. It’s a little worse, a little more intense; but for the deep south, nothing that’s been going on since President Obama took office would stick out too awfully badly in any year over the last 350 years.

  35. 35
    trollhattan says:

    Ca District 7 House–Bera has pulled further ahead of Lundgren, now leads by 5,696 votes. This one’s looking like a lock for the House Dems.

    Lundgren was a 2-term CA attorney general before landing in the House, so this is a pretty big loss.

    @sacrablue:

    Darn you to heck!

  36. 36
    Hungry Joe says:

    … and if you ever lived in Whence, you’d have fled, too.”

  37. 37
    jl says:

    Well, OK, needed a break from rehearsing my, ahem… brilliant computer lab tutorial, and spotted this news item of interest.

    As an added bonus, three of the eight GOP committee members attended the hearing (Edit: briefing) on Benghazi….

    A comment about vultures and what they eat came to mind, but it is uncivil so will skip it.

    Questioned About Missed Briefing On Benghazi, McCain Snaps At Reporter

    http://livewire.talkingpointsm.....cain-snaps

  38. 38
    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as “Delphi”

    I’m not sure which is more revealing here:
    (1) the need to coin a sinister Black Helicopter label to describe and explain the situation in which a group of people talk about facts and reach a conclusion that differs from Republican policy [theremin music plays in background]; or
    (2) stealing it from a well-documented procedure — favoured by the US Army — for consulting a group of experts and pooling their knowledge.

  39. 39
    Roger Moore says:

    @Zifnab25:

    I just want to point out that Georgia went to Romney by eight points. Compare that to Texas, where Romney took it by over twenty points.

    The thing that freaks them out the most is the thought of those people taking control, so the crazy may increase as a state becomes bluer.

  40. 40
    jl says:

    As for topic of this post, looks like loyal and frustrated members of the Con Man Party are a little upset their own mind control techniques are not working very well these days.

    And their mind control techniques are targeted at deluded dupes and fools. Oh, the humanity! Oh, the injustice! Life, my friends, is unfair.

  41. 41
    Chris says:

    @Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. (Mumphrey, et al.):

    I think that’s the difference between left-wing and right-wing populism. The former is generally about things that are, well, real, identifiable, and can be addressed by a competent government. (Social democracy defuses the threat of communist revolution. Civil rights defuse the threat of race war. Constitutional monarchy slowly leading to parliamentary government defuses the threat of Jacobin-style revolutions. Etc, etc, etc).

    The latter is generally about issues that are better left to psychiatrists, whether it’s fascism in Europe or the psychotic equivalents we’ve had over here. Don’t know how that mixes with the Deep South strand of right-wing insanity specifically, but I share the “I have no idea what the fuck we’re supposed to do about it” sentiment.

  42. 42
    SFAW says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ:

    You know who else used mind control tricks in Georgia?

    Joe Dzhugashvili? He was Georgian, after all.

  43. 43
    J says:

    I know one’s not supposed to suggest ever or in any way directly or indirectly tthat there are any points of contact between our wingnuts and N**zis or F**ists, but some of the theories they embrace are as well founded as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

  44. 44
    wasabi gasp says:

    When Obama gets all up in your mind, crazy glue the orifices shut and light your head on fire.

  45. 45
    Mandalay says:

    You guys need to get those fucking dirtbags out of your system, and come up for air.

    President Jose Mujica of Uruguay, who gives away 90% of his salary, is everything that Romney cannot be:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20243493

    “I’m called ‘the poorest president’, but I don’t feel poor. Poor people are those who only work to try to keep an expensive lifestyle, and always want more and more,” he says.

    “This is a matter of freedom. If you don’t have many possessions then you don’t need to work all your life like a slave to sustain them, and therefore you have more time for yourself,” he says.

    “I may appear to be an eccentric old man… But this is a free choice.”

    What a beautiful human being. If he could have run here he would have got my vote.

  46. 46
    trollhattan says:

    File under “S” for “stuff I don’t understand” (the largest category in my filing system).

    U.S. women’s soccer star Hope Solo married former NFL tight end Jerramy Stevens on Tuesday evening, according to Sportsradio host Dave Mahler. The wedding would have occurred mere hours after Stevens was released from police custody pending an investigation into a suspected assault against Solo.

  47. 47
    sacrablue says:

    @trollhattan: Sorry, I just invested a lot of time into this effort. After the Charlie Brown loss in 2008, I need to keep willing this to happen. Lungren makes me ill at twice the rate that McClintock did.

  48. 48
    hells littlest angel says:

    A ridiculous allegation. Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

  49. 49
    Thlayli says:

    You would think that, after going on 70 years, we’d have a fairly good idea of what the UN is/isn’t capable of doing.

    Not these yayhoos.

  50. 50
    Sm*t Cl*de says:

    I program in Delphi. No wonder I’m brainwashed.

  51. 51
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. (Mumphrey, et al.): ” I really don’t understand what the fuck they’ve been so pissed off about, and so fucking scared of all this time.”

    They’re surrounded by people who’ve they treated very poorly to say the least. Payback might someday be a bitch.

  52. 52
    LD50 says:

    If Obama can control minds, how come he didn’t use it in the election last week to win the House back for the Democrats?

  53. 53
    A moocher says:

    @Chris: not this cowboy. Firefly is more Heinleinesque and way cooler.

  54. 54
    CA Doc says:

    @sacrablue: Yay!!!

  55. 55
    Ken says:

    This is the same Georgia legislature that, back in 2010, held a hearing at which the star witness was a woman who told them how the CIA had kidnapped her, implanted chips in her body, and put up billboards with a phone number which, when called by cell phones, caused the chips to give electrical shocks to her (ahem) private areas.

    After hearing her, they voted to ban the implantation of such chips. Personally, I would have voted to increase state funding for programs to diagnose and treat schizophrenia, but I’m not a Georgia Republican.

  56. 56
    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    If I had just been reelected I think I would fuck with them just to fuel their paranoia and drive them crazy. Actually, I would wait until the 2016 election and then admit to every conspiracy theory and just generally fuck with them as brutally as possible until my predecessor was inaugurated.

  57. 57
    Chris says:

    @A moocher:

    The Star Trek universe is a much nicer place to live (at least within Federation borders). But I’ll concede that Firefly the show was better.

  58. 58
    Full Metal Wingnut says:

    @Full Metal Wingnut: why did I say “predecessor”? It’s been a long day…

  59. 59
    El Cid says:

    @Ken: No, they were all uncomfortable at that lady’s surprise testimony.

    The convincing voice was like the lady which followed, the good elderly white (the crazy chip lady was black) lady then explained that this chip implantation was all connected to the Mark of the Beast as was foretold in Revelations.

    So, no, it wasn’t the crazy chip lady, it was the sane voices of people urging the state to defend them from the chip-implanting forces of the Anti-Christ to whom the legislators listened.

  60. 60
    Nutella says:

    I never listen to NPR now that it’s so right-wing/villager but it was playing in the taxi this morning so I heard the NPR newsie saying that Obama is going to visit Myanmar and will be the “first sitting commander-in-chief” to do so.

    WTF? Sitting CinC? FFS, he’s the president conducting foreign policy and they have to militarize it?!?!?!

  61. 61
    A moocher says:

    @Chris: We *think* The Federation was a much nicer place to live than the Alliance, because we were only ever shown the bright shiny. Who knows what horrors lurk in the outer planets, or in the low-rent work units and sprawl behind the space ports?

  62. 62
    NotMax says:

    @A moocher

    Um, that would be Babylon 5.

  63. 63
    NotMax says:

    So when does Gohmert or King or any other of the pack of retrograde jackals in the House demand that the cafeteria change the name of French Fries to Ni-clang Fries in honor of Obama’s re-election?

  64. 64
    MaxxLange says:

    @Nutella:

    This drives me nuts. “Commander in Chief” OF the Army and Navy is part of the President’s job description, not a title. I think this usage (calling the President the “Commander in Chief” in contexts far removed from military operations) is older than 9/11, but its currency has increased sharply since then.

  65. 65
    NotMax says:

    @ MaxxLange

    Also too, as it is not a title of office, but a civilian designation that applies only while the office is held, there are no non-sitting Commanders-in-Chief.

  66. 66
    Darkrose says:

    @trollhattan and sacrablue: Good to hear; thank you.

  67. 67
    Patricia Kayden says:

    White Americans’ ancestors fled from the cities? Really? Learn something new everyday. Thanks Dick.

    Santorum was right when he said that smart people don’t vote for Republicans. It shows.

  68. 68
    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    But what about the Council of Foreign Relations, and The Trilateral Commission or have they got you all too?

  69. 69
    Dream On says:

    But perhaps it’s true! This must be why he won Florida, Colorado, Virginia and other “real” states. It would be irresponsible not to speculate – the UN-run communist suburbanite-relocating dictatorship only sounds crazy when you first think about it. And then you pass out.

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    bjacques says:

    @hells littlest angel: Would you like to play Solitaire?

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    El Cid says:

    @NotMax: Yes, and why do they have to sit down all the time? Can’t we have a standing C-in-C? Seems like it would be better for their circulation.

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