Majors and generals

If you outlaw inappropriate emails, only outlaws will send inappropriate emails. Discuss.

Should I care at all about any of this stuff? Because I don’t.

So feel free to talk about something else.






152 replies
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    Politically Lost says:

    “Should I care at all about any of this stuff? ”

    Yes, because BENGHAZI!!!!

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    How was the meet-up? And we can has pictures?

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    Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I’ll have pics up soon!

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    schrodinger's cat says:

    Our Low rent Always Wrong Bill Kristol is here!

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    Yutsano says:

    Green balloons. That is all.

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    Ann Rynd says:

    john Podhoretz uses the word “Goopy.” Grover Norquist says “Poopy Head.” Do these guys ever grow up?

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    trollhattan says:

    Noted at home while the radio was droning on about the whole thing, that if it were France or Italy, they’d probably look at her pics, nod their understanding and go about their business. We’re not wired that way (and he bloody well knows that).

    However, since a large contingent has been paving Petraeus a private road to elected office the last several years, I’m relieved that effort now seems defunct.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Yutsano: Amen!

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    Valdivia says:

    @Yutsano:

    co-sign. At this point we are beyond Jerry Springer territory.

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    Schlemizel says:

    I have reduced respect for people who chose the cheat on their spouses. As much AS I love the big dog his actions are always a black mark in my book. But the big divide to me is did it affect the job? If it does not hurt the performance of the job then it is nobodies business but his wife’s & the Hairy Thunderer he pretends to pray to

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    I don’t even pretend to understand Milfgate, or why it matters.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @Ann Rynd: Personally, I always found Romney to be more of a doody head rather than a poopy head. It’s a fine line, as most of you probably know.

    My favorite part of the “poopy head” clip is the exasperated tone in her voice and the admonishing look on the interviewer’s face as she told him that Obama never said that.

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    Chris says:

    If you outlaw inappropriate emails, only outlaws will send inappropriate emails.

    Inappropriate emails don’t fire people.

    FUCKING BENGHAZI COVER-UPING LIBERAL FAGGOTS fire people.

    Wat?

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    Alexandra says:

    I don’t care about it either… except if it demythologises and takes another wingnut hero off the playing field, all the better.

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    Comrade Mary says:

    Yay! Much better earworm, even transposed.

    (Spot the rare Virgin in the room!)

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    dmsilev says:

    For some hilarity, take a look at this Ars Technica story doing a follow-up on the Romney FAIL-whale GOTV software. In particular, note the bit in the story about how a paranoid right wing blogger blamed the fiasco on well,

    “Why do they have Al Gore’s dev working on Romney’s social media development?!” blogger Catherine Ann Fitzpatrick asked. “Truly, how can they expect dedication?” She also singled out another developer who is African-American and “who has a 96 percent chance of being an Obama voter… I will be accused of ‘racism’ for even flagging. But it’s the truth.”

    and then proceed to the comments where said blogger appears and promptly doubles, triples, and quadruples down on the original statement.

    (General rule: if you have to proceed a statement with “this may come across as racist, but…”, the statement is probably racist.)

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    LanceThruster says:

    @YellowJournalism:

    I’ve always thought of Rmoney as more of a scheißkopf.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Looking like Petraeus’ political career is over before it started. Which is good. Aside from that, I cannot possibly communicate how much I do not care.

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    redshirt says:

    @Schlemizel: I think it did affect Clinton’s job performance. My theory: He was so hounded by the Repubs over these issues he felt compelled to appease them via legislation in a vain attempt to get them to back off.

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    Hypatia's Momma says:

    I’m torn. Should I keep reading updates on this particular scandal or should I quit all that and devote my time to the allegations against John McAfee?

    (Answer: Ignore them both. Naps with cats are better.)

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    TooManyJens says:

    This had better not be true: Dems short on votes for filibuster reform.

    We need to start calling our Senators now.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    Fuck it, Doug, I read the article and I have some of the same questions the author did, and more. I think there a lot of things wrong here, including generals trying to mythmake themselves and bringing junior officers in with special privileges to write hagiographies. Who gives a fuck about blowjobs.

    Remember MacArthur? Remember how he and his enormous ego fucked up North Korea?

    It doesn’t surprise me that this sort of douchebaggery ran rampant under neo-con rule. It doesn’t.

    Obama ought to bring Powell into his government, somebody with common sense who is focused on the mission first and his ambitions second.

    As for adultery, obviously we’re seeing why the military has these seemingly ridiculous standards. All of the playing, the messing around, the nasty emails, the picking allies, the CRAP sounds like the trivial shit that goes on where I work. It’s childish and stupid and we don’t have one tenth of the responsibility.

    But it all starts with shitty leadership. Peter principled doofuses with important parents and social dominators should not be in charge of our biggest and most complex institutions.

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    danimal says:

    CTX!

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    Elizabelle says:

    “Elmo’s” accuser backpedalling his accusation of underage sexual relationship; now says it was adult and consensual.

    But where does Kevin Clash go to regain his good name? Hope Sesame Workshop sticks with him. Their statement does not make it clear he’s coming back.

    Great sympathy for Kevin. Enjoyed the “Becoming Elmo” documentary. He was precociously adept with puppetry; wondering now if it was an escape for him during high school.

    And what about TMZ? The accuser approached Sesame Workshop over the summer with the allegations.

    Officials at Sesame Workshop said that they thoroughly investigated the accusation, using outside investigators, over several months and believe it to be false. Mr. Clash’s leave was granted Sunday after it became clear that the Web site TMZ was planning to run an article about the accusation.
    __
    Mr. Clash said in a statement on Monday that the relationship “was between two consenting adults” — something that the accuser seemed to admit on Tuesday afternoon.

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    @Ann Rynd: Just playing to their base. 65 and up pearl clutchers and charlie church types.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Should I care at all about any of this stuff?

    Probably not. But I’ll present this example:

    Bradley Manning almost certainly did (I will wait for the court martial) leak classified, gets a year pre-trial in solitary and will almost certainly spend the rest of his life in prison. I want to make my position on this very clear, BTW: if he did what he is accused of he more than deserves to.

    Petraeus almost certainly did (I will wait for the court martial that will NEVER happen) leak classified intel and emails to his little bit o’ recreational PR department as well as God knows who else, that material was certainly made public, and the reaction is “how dare you drum a good man out of the force! For shame, America!”

    As in the civilian world, the military also has two entirely different worlds of justice for those who have, and those who don’t.

    If you don’t give a shit about that, that’s totally understandable, most of America seems pretty OK with it.

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    MikeJ says:

    @danimal: It’s not on the album Lemons and Oranges, is it?

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    NotMax says:

    Something else?

    Okay.

    One House election result worth a historical footnote:

    Marcy Kaptur – 72%
    Samuel (Joe the Plumber) Wurzelbacher – 23%

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    Yutsano says:

    I kinda sorta want to bake cookies, but at the same time I’m trying to minimise food purchases before the Thanksgiving holiday. A dilemma, this is. To bake or not to bake?

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: He scored below the Keyes Line, aka the Crazification Limit? Impressive.

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: He scored below the Keyes Line, aka the Crazification Limit? Impressive.

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    penpen says:

    Greenwald seems to have the right take on what’s worth caring about about this.

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    Pavonis says:

    @Schlemizel: Cheating on your spouse is a morally despicable thing to do. If your heart strays, ‘fess up; don’t be a lying scumbag.

    That said, I’d take a philandering President Bill Clinton over a President Romney or a President Bush any day. Dubya was faithful to his wife yet many thousands are dead and millions impoverished from his actions.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Yutsano: Bake.

    (I regard pre-Thanksgiving baking as research into recipes for Thanksgiving. My coworkers are eager guinea pigs…)

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    Schlemizel says:

    @LanceThruster:

    And I thought Scheisse fur Gehirne

    TOE-may-toe, ta-MAH-toe

    YMMV

    8-{D

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    BGinCHI says:

    XTC Doug?

    Right on.

    I’ve had that song in my head since this whole thing broke Friday. Which is the only good it’s done me.

    ETA: I see danimal beat me to it. Get a job, hippy.

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    Jay C says:

    Well, since we’re not talking about Petraeus/MILF-gate, the part(s) I’d like to ignore are:

    1) How come, with all those FBI “investigations” going on, DNI Clapper, AG Holder, and POTUS Obama (Petraeus’s nominal bosses up the normal chain-of-command) seem to have been left utterly out of the loop, and apparently only found out about it from reading the papers on Nov. 7?

    2) How lucky (again!) is Barack Obama? The DCI embroiled, and has to resign, over a sex scandal: and the “victim” is Republican Idol (and quondam Great American War Hero) David F*ck*ng Petraeus: and not anyone who could be tarred as an “Obama crony”??

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    MikeJ says:

    @Yutsano:

    To bake or not to bake?

    It’s legal now.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @Yutsano: The answer is always “to bake.”

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    MCA1 says:

    You should care only to the extent more high comedy like this comes from it: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....fpnewsfeed

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Another Halocene Human: Powell into his government, somebody with common sense who is focused on the mission first and his ambitions second.

    Not familiar with the generals career are we?

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @The Moar You Know: As in the civilian world, the military also has two entirely different worlds of justice for those who have, and those who don’t.

    I’m with you, Moar. I think it’s bullshit.

    They damn well better be investigating him sharing classified info. You know the rules for that stuff?!

    It’s always stuck in my craw how the little guys are caught in this web where they can’t say boo, even if it’s true, because they’ll lose their jobs (or worse) while sitting members of Congress and VSPs can leak intel or even make shit up and claim it’s leaked intel and never suffer any consequences.

    EITHER IT’S A STATE SECRET OR IT’S NOT, MOTHERFUCKERS.

    Whatever happened to hanging these pukes for treason?

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    JPL says:

    @The Moar You Know: That’s how I feel. I don’t know what classified information if any Petraeus/Allen linked but if they did, no matter how small, it needs to be prosecuted. You can’t just go after privates and ignore those hire up.

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    Brachiator says:

    If you outlaw inappropriate emails, only outlaws will send inappropriate emails. Discuss.

    Again, the rule is there ain’t no privacy on the Internets. Even the civil libertarians haven’t grokked this one completely yet.

    @The Moar You Know:

    As in the civilian world, the military also has two entirely different worlds of justice for those who have, and those who don’t.

    So, are you saying that Bradley Manning and anyone else in the military should be free to leak whatever they want to whomever they want?

    BTW, I am amazed, amused, but not surprised at the number of tech geeks who insist that the SEALS who gave up info to the game maker did absolutely nothing wrong, and that we all have an absolute right (higher than a constitutional right) to the most righteously cool gaming experience possible. If real people in the real world get hurt, tough cookies.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Question for the Commentariat:

    We have a new Papa Johns in our neighborhood, which is astonishing given the amazing pizza you can buy around here.

    I want to do something to them. What should I do?

    All legal and illegal suggestions considered.

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    Paul says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I still don’t understand why Dick Cheney or Karl Rove are not in jail since they leaked classified information. Either it is a crime or it isn’t.

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    dmsilev says:

    @BGinCHI: Paste some fliers for let’s say Gino’s East to their windows?

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    NotMax says:

    @Yutsano

    Drill Bake, baby, bake.

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    Pavonis says:

    @Anoniminous: Ah… Petraeus, Republican dream candidate. Maybe I can finally get over my annoyance at MoveOn.org for wasting $20,000 on a full page ad in the NYT reading (IIRC), “General Petraeus… No, General Betray-Us!“. That would be clever for a 3rd grader. But I vowed never again to donate money to MoveOn.org.

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    Yutsano says:

    @MikeJ: Brownies are always a possibility. Maybe with a raspberry glaze. Yum.

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    trollhattan says:

    @NotMax:
    Here’s hoping that asshat’s fifteen minutes are well and truly ovah.

    In the Cali 7th District, the nailbiter between Bera and Lundgren continues. As of 1:00 today, Bera is ahead by 1,779 votes.

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    JPL says:

    @Jay C: I’m not sure the President needs to know who is all in who. He does need to be informed when it threatens national security though.

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    Mandalay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Petraeus almost certainly did…leak classified intel and emails

    A bold claim. I’m no fan of Petraeus, and I’m not saying you are wrong, but I have not read anyone else making that assertion.

    What is your evidence?

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    dmsilev says:

    Re: General-Sex-Gate, the Onion has perhaps the definitive story:

    “The scope of this scandal is simply astonishing—there is currently enough evidence to implicate citizens from every part of the world, even dating back before the creation of modern international states,” said one source close to the investigation, adding that the FBI has collected millions of first-person accounts of people who have either had sex themselves or witnessed others performing sexual acts. “There is even thousands of hours of video evidence that cyber-security experts in D.C. and Langley have managed to find on the Internet.”
    __
    “The real question is, ‘Who knew about this? And for how long?’” the anonymous source added.
    __
    According to reports, a comprehensive global probe jointly conducted by the FBI and CIA also revealed that, in addition to Gen. Petraeus, others alleged to have had sex in the past include Leon Panetta, Condoleezza Rice, Ben Bernanke, George Stephanopolous, John Lennon, Charlotte Brontë, Jack Nicholson, William Shakespeare, Andre Agassi, Plato, Ulysses S. Grant, Queen Elizabeth II, Ted Avery of Dayton, OH, George Washington, Karen Avery of Dayton, OH, every past and present member of the band Chicago, Sir Isaac Newton, Bill Gates, Andie MacDowell, Benjamin Franklin, Leonardo da Vinci, Vince Lombardi, and Adolf Hitler.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Yutsano:

    Thinking of getting the toppings to make a Fruit Pizza when I next visit the grocery.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @dmsilev: OK, good start. Annoying and legal.

    Srsly, I can’t fucking believe people order that shit when there are all these other places making pizza from scratch and a thousand time tastier with less political shit flavoring.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Schlemizel: So his biggest crime was loyalty to the CIC?

    He fell on his sword. A lot of people see it that way. Now maybe Obama’s more like Truman and prefers to surround himself with people more likely to tell him to go to hell than carry out stupid orders.

    I guess those that feel betrayed are those who believed Powell when he went on TV with that farcical stuff about Iraq having the bomb. (shrug)

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    Elizabelle says:

    If you want to see a fever swamp, US News&World Report has an item online; Paula Broadwell’s NC driver’s license was found recently in Rock Creek Park in DC.

    The comments are priceless. Early commenter reminds others to focus on Benghazi. But the pack is off, discussing Vince Foster.

    Someone else opines a Clinton has to be involved. (Maybe that one was snark.)

    It is a crazed bunch.

    (I personally liked that USNews assigned someone named Valerie Bonk to assist with their reporting.)

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Pavonis:

    OH no doubt! Look at the presidents we KNOW had side action – FDR, IKE, JFK, Big Dog and those that at least pretend they did not – NIXON, St. Ronald, Big Daddy & Bumbbellyou Bush – I’ll take the philanderers every time.

    Only this damn Obama guys, who actually appears to be a genuinely decent guy for some damn reason, breaks the rule

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    Chris says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Fuck it, Doug, I read the article and I have some of the same questions the author did, and more. I think there a lot of things wrong here, including generals trying to mythmake themselves and bringing junior officers in with special privileges to write hagiographies. Who gives a fuck about blowjobs.

    I don’t think the public’s gotten a lot more susceptible to that since the end of the draft. Less people who’ve served in war = more people who’re impressed by the uniform and haven’t figured out that generals are still human beings who eat, sleep and shit like the rest of us.

    One of my favorite Truman quotes, about firing MacArthur: “I fired him because he wouldn’t respect the authority of the president. That’s the answer to that. I didn’t fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that’s not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail.” Of course, Truman served in World War One, probably met quite a few dumbass officers in his day, and knew better than to be impressed by the stars on MacArthur’s uniform. How many politicians these days can say the same?

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @dmsilev: Isaac Newton libel!

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    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    @dmsilev:

    That thread has been fun. I don’t normally like to pick on the obviously batshit, but she makes it impossible not to.

    She’s not convinced Romney would have won, but she is convinced Orca’s the reason he lost. She’s not racist, she just knows that 96% of all black people will automatically vote for Obama and should not be allowed to write software for anyone else.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Elizabelle: I think Valerie Bonk got her position there from Ivana Tinkle.

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    dmsilev says:

    @BGinCHI: Yeah, I know what you mean. A Papa Johns opened up in my neck of the woods fairly recently (maybe 6 months ago), and they seem to be doing OK despite the presence of four or five actually good pizza places within about a 5 block radius.

    I’ll just blame all the undergrads.

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    GxB says:

    @dmsilev: Add in the libertarian (3%) and a little rounding and you’re right on the mark.

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    sacrablue says:

    Good congressional election news: in the CA-7 race, Ami Bera now leads the odious Dan Lungren by 3824 votes. Now concede, asshole!

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Schlemizel: OH no doubt! Look at the presidents we KNOW had side action – FDR, IKE, JFK, Big Dog and those that at least pretend they did not – NIXON, St. Ronald, Big Daddy & Bumbbellyou Bush – I’ll take the philanderers every time.

    If by “big daddy” you mean George Herbert Walker Bush, he was definitely cheating on his wife.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: Statistically, she’s not wrong that he’s very likely to have voted for Obama. But from what I gather of Silicon Valley, so are most white programmers. But of course this is the one who can’t be trusted…

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    Elizabelle says:

    @jeffreyw:

    Wow, that looks delicious.

    Perfect for chilly weather.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: She’s more bat-shit insane than Erick of the House of Erick. Which is impressive when you think about it.

    (watching her get treated with the same level of respect that our pet ‘UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH’ moron gets here was kind of fun as well)

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    Chris says:

    @Pavonis:

    You can vote for people and still think they’re assholes.

    I’m happy for the work Washington and Jefferson did during the revolution and a lot of what they did afterwards to set up the nation. I still think they should burn in hell, or at minimum, several thousand years in purgatory, for practicing slavery.

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    Keith says:

    I thinkhope that once the “holy crap, it’s Petraeus!” wears thin, people will start to realize “holy crap, *I’ve* written emails like that. The FBI can read that stuff?!??”.

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    Raven says:

    A “Southern” lawyer just came to my house to close on a re-fi. First he let it slip that he would have been on the Northern side in the Civil War. Then he said he saw that I was a Nam vet and confessed all the ways he went about avoiding it. I liked him both times!

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    Impeach-a-thon 2012-201?

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    J.W. Hamner says:

    I think my position would be best described as militant apathy.

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    notoriousJRT says:

    I suppose I continue to take interest in this story / gossip because I am waiting to see if this is a case of “long knives” dispatching Petaeus & swiping at Allen and manipulating gossip to take them down or a case of gossip about obsessives acting obsessively with al little help from institutional animus and ass- hattery (CIA, FBI, and military), or a useless slurry of all of the above. Is the author of this mess going public a political axe-grinder or just a person whose obsession sent her / him down a nutty, destructive path?

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    notoriousJRT says:

    @Keith:
    Another angle of interest!

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @BGinCHI: Calling them up nightly asking for a pizza with — the works! Don’t forget the anchovies! And when they tell you in a drone they don’t carry anchovies, cry about how mamale always takes her pizza with anchovies, just like in the Old Country (NYC) and you don’t want to disappoint her, she’s 87 years old…

    Try to drag it out so the manager has to come on.

    Not that this would truly avenge the owner’s douchebaggery. But at least it would make a point about their fake-ass food.

    They’re not even real pizzas. The crust comes half-cooked and then they run it through a toaster oven thing. Half of the time it works and half of the time it comes out really, really bad.

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    Gex says:

    @dmsilev: The idea that she’s a racist because she thinks the black man will sabotage the software totally eludes her apparently. She just knows it is soooooo unfair to say he’s probably an Obama supporter.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    RE GHWBush:

    The Washington Post ran a little article along these lines in their federal govt column:

    “Jennifer Fitzgerald, who has served in a variety of positions under George HW Bush, was appointed to …”

    Choked on my coffee. Amazed they went there.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Does the name My Lai ring any bells? This guy has been covering up, kissing up and fucking up since the 60s. His bullshit performance before the UN that he KNEW was a lie and KNEW would lead to countless unnecessary deaths was not that big a stretch for him

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    Snarki, child of Loki says:

    I think the lyrics of “The Modern Major-General’s Song” is going to need updating….it’ll be a lot spicier than Gilbert and Sullivan ever imagined.

    Plus drone strikes. Yeah.

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    Pavonis says:

    @Keith: Everything you do online can potentially by found out by authorities if you’re not a skilled hacker. My dad once worked for a search engine company and told me about the creepy things people searched for. “They” can easily find out about your secret schoolgirl fetish. Or anything else for that matter.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Elizabelle: Thanks! It’s actually the first time I’ve cooked kale. That habanero vinegar was good on it.

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    El Cid says:

    The right is going to have to work a lot harder to make this seem like an evil, puppet-master conspiracy to cover-up “Benghazi” when it seems a lot more like an episode of Three’s Company, except (so far) without the mistaken identity plot.

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    trollhattan says:

    @sacrablue:
    I like your #s better. Mine above are from the CA SOS office, but looks like the county #s are more recent. He’s basically doubled his lead after an additional 40k votes have been counted.

    Smells like victory.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    While I agree with you there has never been any evidence that Big Daddy cheated on his mother. I’ll also bet you a dime that St. Ronald was not true to the ice queen (who according to sources in the car spent an LA to Palm Springs drive blowing Sinatra and Peter Laughton alternately). But when viewed from the conventional wisdom world bother are believed to be good boys.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @dmsilev:

    :-)

    Sir Isaac Newton, though, maybe not so much. Not sure.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Another Halocene Human: I like your plan.

    I get to use my Father Guido Sarducci voice when I call.

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    sacrablue says:

    @trollhattan: Yep, looks like we will have our victory party on Sunday.

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    @LanceThruster:

    Romney always struck me more as General Peckem.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Paul: I still don’t understand why Dick Cheney or Karl Rove are not in jail since they leaked classified information. Either it is a crime or it isn’t.

    Pinned the blame on Scooter and then pardoned him. But the point remains.

    Glenn Greenwald wrote a pretty decent book (more of an essay, blown up into hardback form, for the $$$ulz) on the subject. No respect for him otherwise but I’m glad I’m not the only person who thought it was shit.

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    gelfling545 says:

    So, if anybody I know gets “threatening” email from the girlfriend of a friend or acquaintance I should advise them to call the FBI instead of calling the friend & asking what the hell is the matter with their light o’ love? I just don’t get this part. Women who are being threatened with gbh by stalkers are told to mostly file a report &get over it unless you’ve got injuries which may or may not make a difference but this case is FBI material?

    I keep waiting for the “real” issue to come out but so far there’s only more crazy. Maybe that is the issue. They’re all crazy. The FBI agent got into the email loop, too? Good grief.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @gelfling545: It’s all “connections” instead of protocol.

    Shameful, babyish, pathetic.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Another Halocene Human: How do you sell pizza and not have anchovies? Is that even legal?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Salon has the Post’s wording (from an article about Kitty Kelley book on the Bushes):

    two long affairs — one with Jennifer Fitzgerald, Bush’s White House deputy chief of protocol, who, as the Washington Post once slyly put it, “has served President-elect George Bush in a variety of positions,”

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    JPL says:

    @gelfling545: You might also mention that the FBI now has access to their email. Seems as though Jill Kelley didn’t understand that part.

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    Hmmm, wonder how it came to pass that the Director of the CIA was so inept about security and planning that he managed to have an affair that is now providing the media with a feeding frenzy. Lots of people have extramarital affairs and highly the placed are among them. They aren’t getting caught – except when they’re stupid or careless. Those last two don’t seem to be virtues for any spot in the CIA.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @jeffreyw:

    Was wondering about the condiment. Thought at first it might be tomato preserves.

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    NotMax says:

    @Another Halocene Human

    Libby was never granted a pardon.

    His jail time was commuted by Bush, but the convictions and all other parts of sentencing left intact.

    Libby is still a convicted felon, and his fine and probation terms remain unaffected.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @sacrablue: Oh it will be good to get rid of that guy. My district appears to be on track to give Brian Bilbray the boot.

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    muddy says:

    Here’s a weird thing, https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/games/coloring-book/index.html

    I wonder who thought up this outreach? What is the point, and what search strings would come up with that page? So odd.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Schlemizel: Whoa, are we talking about the same person?

    Jennifer Fitzgerald

    Pretty sure the press knew all about Fitzgerald (hm, I wonder if “Fitz” in the show SCANDAL is named after her) but back then didn’t say and it came out during the Clinton scandal as an example of their prior discretion PLUS it was said that Linda Tripp was very jealous of Fitzgerald and bitter that nobody cared that she was having an affair with Bush. Supposedly this motivated her actions towards Monica Lewinsky later.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @NotMax: So you’re saying he’s odds-on favorite to be the next Governor of Florida.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @muddy: I wonder who thought up this outreach? What is the point, and what search strings would come up with that page? So odd.

    Diversion for children of officers so they’ll quit asking what mommy/daddy does all day?

    ETA: so I just looked at the images and wow, that is odd.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    So, are you saying that Bradley Manning and anyone else in the military should be free to leak whatever they want to whomever they want?

    @Brachiator: Reading comprehension not someone’s strong suit this afternoon. Or perhaps my snark meter’s broken. Whatever. Plain English:

    I think Manning ought to be executed if found guilty. I think, if found guilty, the same should go for Petraeus.

    The problem being is that Petraeus will never see the inside of a courtroom. Like our favorite troll around here likes to say, bank on it.

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    NotMax says:

    @BG in Chi

    Bullseye. :·)

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    YellowJournalism says:

    Uh, yeah, I would say so:

    @Chris_Moody: This White House petition program is getting hilariously out of control. http://t.co/aEM2OoVr

    Texas to secede has over 88,000. I wonder how many of those sigs were from people outside of Texas. We better get to keep Austin somehow.

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    RareSanity says:

    I haven’t been following the Petraeus thing close enough, still suffering news burn-out from the election.

    So feel free to talk about something else.

    I’m please to report, that I am one of the few, the proud, the successful purchasers of a Nexus 4!

    I think Google had a stock of like 20 or 30 of them per country. /sarcasm

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    JPL says:

    Jill Kelley wants diplomatic protection… link

    It is unfortunate that the telephone number was released..
    her diplomatic protection should help her change it.

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    muddy says:

    @Another Halocene Human: I colored one of the cartoons with the spy and the car in glorious technicolor, and wondered if it let them peek at my computer. Like they give a shit.

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    sacrablue says:

    @SatanicPanic: Good. Lobbyist jobs for both of them. Just knowing that he is not leaving of his own choosing gives me sufficient pleasure.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    So you and Linda remember that (and me) but nobody else. I’ll stick with my list of those known for hound dogin it and those that people can at least pretend about

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    NotMax says:

    Wishing them much success in a tough, uphill battle.

    New Group Unveils Its Plan to Get Money Out of Politics

    … Represent.Us says its goal is to pass the American Anti-Corruption Act, a nine-point plan to crack down on lobbyists, strengthen the flimsy law intended to prevent super-PACs from coordinating with campaigns, and put a stop to undisclosed donations funneled through dark-money nonprofits.…
    __
    Represent.Us boasts a high-profile, bipartisan board of advisors, among them former Federal Elections Commission chair (and Stephen Colbert’s “personal lawyer”) Trevor Potter, Lawrence Lessig, disgraced lobbyist-turned-reformer Jack Abramoff, representatives from Occupy Wall Street and the DC Tea Party Patriots, and even Teddy Roosevelt’s great-grandson, Theodore IV. The group hopes to to convince 1 million American citizens to join its cause, building on popular revulsion to what it deems “the worst political corruption in American history.”

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    Made me LOL:

    Derrick Belcher, a 45 year-old topless carwash owner, is behind the Alabama petition to secede from the Union to resist Democratic party values.

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Obama ought to bring Powell into his government, somebody with common sense who is focused on the mission first and his ambitions second.

    Are you talking about General Colon Powell? Who had the common sense to present a big stinking pile of bullshit to the U.N. and the world as the Bush Child’s excuse to invade Iraq? The Colon Powell who in a remotely just world would be behind bars with Cheney?

    Cause I’m sure you aren’t referring to HIM.

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    If you are a fan of The Princess Bride you are going to love this

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoor.....ut-the-pri

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    Jay in Oregon says:

    As far as Petraeus’s and Broadwell’s marriages go, that is between them and their respective spouses to figure out and forgive. It’s none of my business.

    I think the whole Petraeus/Broadwell relationship seems tacky and ill-considered to begin with. He was on her dissertation committee and the subject of her dissertation? How the hell does that pass muster? And there’s the whole biographer/reporter/sidekick thing as well. Even though they are both responsible for their actions, it seems like they’ve been on a course for something like this to develop at some point.

    All of the other stuff like the Shirtless FBI Guy seems like additional freakshow for ratings.

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    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @dmsilev:

    According to reports, a comprehensive global probe jointly conducted by the FBI and CIA also revealed that, in addition to Gen. Petraeus, others alleged to have had sex in the past include Leon Panetta, Condoleezza Rice, Ben Bernanke, George Stephanopolous, John Lennon, Charlotte Brontë, Jack Nicholson, William Shakespeare, Andre Agassi, Plato, Ulysses S. Grant, Queen Elizabeth II, Ted Avery of Dayton, OH, George Washington, Karen Avery of Dayton, OH, every past and present member of the band Chicago, Sir Isaac Newton, Bill Gates, Andie MacDowell, Benjamin Franklin, Leonardo da Vinci, Vince Lombardi, and Adolf Hitler.

    But not George Tierney of Greenville South Carolina

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    WereBear says:

    @Jay in Oregon: It does shed new light on why they are so freaked about “morals.” They should get some!

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    NotMax says:

    @ranchandsyrup

    The mental image conjured is – disturbing.

    Presumably a competent editor would have amended that to read “owner of a ‘topless carwash'”

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    .
    .
    I think it is way cool to watch all these pig dipshits get sent to the yard for absolutely anything at all

    They are murderous bullet-head scum and their various lickspittles and if the worst thing that happens to them is public shame for their sex lives, cry me a fucking river

    Don’t worry, though, O’Hanlon and the rest of the anus-licking access-hungry crew have already settled on McMaster as their new god even as they swear up and down that Allen is Christ crucified

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Ted & Hellen:

    I would support Colin Powell returning to a US administration.

    Yes, he testified on implausible evidence on behalf of a trumped up war . Cannot get past that.

    But I believe in redemption and second chances.

    Powell “self deported”, as it were, for many years.

    He has talents to provide, and wisdom.

    (FWIW, Al Sharpton got a second chance. As did many.)

    Maybe Powell can be the antidote to the military-industrial complex Dwight Eisenhower warned against.

    He’s been burned and used by it.

    Maybe he emerges, wiser.

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    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @NotMax:

    His jail time was commuted by Bush, but the convictions and all other parts of sentencing left intact.
    __
    Libby is still a convicted felon, and his fine and probation terms remain unaffected.

    I remember at the time having the impression that W did that deliberately just to piss off Cheney and remind him who was the Decider after all.

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    max says:

    Should I care at all about any of this stuff? Because I don’t.

    Because of the HIGH QUALITY entertainment value. (That is, this isn’t shocking, this is FUCKING HILARIOUS. Especially the part where the R’s fragged their own guy. Great stuff.)

    max
    [‘And the fake cancer charity angle: love it!’]

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    trollhattan says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
    That’s how I took it as well. One of Dubya’s weaknesses turned into a strength, however fleetingly. That he’s shut his yap for Obama’s presidency is also welcomed, if only Cheney and Walnuts…awww, who am I kidding?

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    I think Manning ought to be executed if found guilty.

    My god.

    Fuck you.

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    @NotMax: At first I cringed, then I remembered the Onion Joe Biden story of Uncle Joe washing his car in the driveway shirtless. Alllll better.

    http://www.theonion.com/articl.....-dri,2718/

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    trollhattan says:

    @ranchandsyrup:
    Carwash scenes always conjure “Cool Hand Luke.”

    What we have he-yah…”

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    Violet says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: That’s funny.

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    El Cid says:

    @Elizabelle: No thanks. His roles in helping cover up My Lai and then pathetic, blatant lying (or absolutely willful refusal of personal integrity) in front of the entire United Nations in order to justify a war desired by his superiors makes me think that there really is cause to look to the many, many other qualified people than to keep rewarding people for this sort of truly horrific nastiness in the pursuit of career.

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    @trollhattan: HA! That’s a good’un.

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    srv says:

    Doug, why you should care is because a Teahadi FBI agent who thought he was going to expose an Obama conspiracy instead wiped out any chances for Patraeus 2016

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    Ted & Hellen says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Yes, he testified on implausible evidence on behalf of a trumped up war . Cannot get past that.

    And is thus responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead people and thousands more maimed, plus trillions of wasted dollars. Oh, but never mind…

    He can get his second chance after serving his life sentence in jail.

    The military fetish contingent is always strong on BJ.

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    aimai says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    In what sense did he have a choice in “throwing himself on his sword?” He runs a spy agency which frowns on anything that can lead to its members (sic) being suborned or blackmailed. “He’s in a stable marriage” was probably one of the selling points for making him head of the CIA–have they ever given it (knowingly) to a single guy or a gay guy (that being the FBI’s turf, of course, given Hoover).

    He had to offer his resignation. This had nothing to do with loyalty to the CIC or to honor or anything else. He did it because he got caught, like any other penny ante media hound.

    aimai

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    Calouste says:

    @trollhattan:

    They could ask Prime Minister convicted felon Silvio Berlusconi about how the Italians reacted to his sex parties.

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    NotMax says:

    @ranchandsyrup

    Cannot be alone in seeing a large uptick of sloppy writing at TPM, a trend that hasn’t abated.

    It’s bothersome.

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    Violet says:

    @srv:

    Doug, why you should care is because a Teahadi FBI agent who thought he was going to expose an Obama conspiracy instead wiped out any chances for Patraeus 2016

    So what you’re saying is, it was really a clandestine operation by the Democrats? Didn’t think they had it in ’em. Must have been an Obama operation. Axelrod and Plouffe in their spare time.

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    catclub says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: Sir Isaac Newton

    Really? I thought he was very strange, to the point of extremely strange.

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    @NotMax: True enough NotMax. I visit TPM way less than I used to. Usually directed there from another site.

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    bjacques says:

    Generals and majors should listen more often to their sergeants.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: George Tierney of Greenville South Carolina? Are you sure you meant George Tierney of Greenville South Carolina?

    Why, of course you meant George Tierney of Greenville South Carolina! Yes, just because you are a dick doesn’t mean you actually know how to use one.

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    mk3872 says:

    @BGinCHI: For an XTC reference, it would have to be “Generals and Majors”, not Majors & Generals … Generals and Majors always seem so unhappy unless they got a war …

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Another Halocene Human:

    NotMax beat me to it, but Libby’s sentence was commuted, not pardoned. Apparently it was a bit of a “fuck you” to Cheney, whose boy Libby was.

    Depending on what state he currently lives in, Libby may not have been able to vote in the recent election since he remains a convicted felon.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Jay in Oregon:

    Petraeus’s marital problems are not our business, but the fact that the head of the CIA put himself into a position where he could easily be blackmailed is the whole country’s business.

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    redshirt says:

    @YellowJournalism: He apologized in what seemed a sincere manner, changed all his twitter stuff to non-offensive stuff, then went offline. To give George Tierny of Greenville South Carolina some credit.

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    mainmati says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: And as I said in last night’s thread, why wasn’t this a webinar? Webinars cost next to nothing and can reach anyone with an Internet connection. (Sigh)

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @aimai: Powell, not Petraeus. Maybe I’m just ignorant where Powell is concerned. This blog seems to have more detractors than supporters. Never cared for Petraeus, although that’s not really based on anything. This whole debacle doesn’t reflect well on him, however.

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