For a Good Time in Cambridge: Ta-Nehisi Coates/Chris Hayes/MIT Edition

Hey Boston-area Balloon Juice folk.  Tomorrow, Tuesday, Nov. 13, at 7 p.m., Ta-Nehisi Coates will be talking with MSNBC host Chris Hayes, author of the highly recommended (by me!) Twilight of the Elites.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, the event is titled “The 2012 Election and the Twilight of the Elites.”

Continue below the fold for more details and a truly delightful if NS For every Workspace artist’s wink at Chris’s work.

 

It’ll all be happening at MIT’s Simmons Hall, W79 in TechSpeak, 7-8:30, free and open to the public. Simmons Hall is on Vassar Street in Cambridge, opposite the MIT playing fields.  Interactive map here.

Event description:

In his new book, Twilight Of The Elites, journalist and MSNBC host Chris Hayes poses a challenge with special resonance for the MIT community — Are the institutions which foster America’s leadership class working as intended? Hayes’ book covers ground as diverse as education, the financial sector, our political system and the Catholic church in an attempt to understand whether the American elite truly upholds the values of competition and meritocracy which it claims to espouse. His conclusions are troubling.

Join Chris Hayes in conversation with Atlantic Senior Editor and Dr. Martin Luther King Visiting Scholar Ta-Nehisi Coates on Tuesday November 13 at Simmons Hall for an election year discussion on the future of our country and an assessment of its institutions.

Should be fun.

Image: Cornelisz. van Haarlem, Fall of the Titans (alt: Fall of Satan), c. 1588

 

128 replies
  1. 1

    Sorry to go OT son soon but this is the e-mail that Broadwell sent to Kelly in Florida

    The New York Post reports that she emailed her saying: “I know what you did”, “back off!” and “stay away from my guy!”

    What is she 14? I mean seriously? A 60 year old general who looks like a nerd is worth threatening your friends over? Really? Great Flying Spaghetti Monster on a Moped. She does know that there are like a brazillion single guys in the known universe right? Damn. How stupid does one have to be.

  2. 2
    different-church-lady says:

    Hmmm… gonna mull this one over.

    W79 in TechSpeak

    About 13 years ago I was recording an architectural pow-wow at MIT. They had six hot shot international architects in the same room spending 3 days re-envisioning the campus. (Gehry is the only one I can remember.) They had a big wooden model of every building on the campus in front of them. Can’t remember which one of them was in the middle of a presentation when he said, “Oh, and we’ve really got to somehow convince people to start naming the buildings instead of just numbering them.”

  3. 3
    hilts says:

    OT

    I completely disagree with this Slate commentary and support any Obama supporter’s right to gloat. I just found the piece very amusing.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/.....most_viral

  4. 4
    Yutsano says:

    Are you allowed to have this much fun at your job? :)

  5. 5
    Jerzy Russian says:

    @hilts:

    I completely disagree with this Slate commentary and support any Obama supporter’s right to gloat. I just found the piece very amusing.

    Normally I would agree with the author of that linked piece. However, given all of the “Sore-Loserman” stickers after 2000, the purple band-aids, the bullshit about the birth certificate, the racism, the “rape” candidates, and so on, I am happy to gloat a bit longer.

  6. 6
    techno says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    Hey, a woman acting like a 14-year-old over some guy she fell in love with is CUTE! You never had something like this happen to you? Too bad-it IS fun (for about six months.)

  7. 7
    trollhattan says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    Admittedly, as sung by Ronnie and produced by Phil Spector, it might could be a ’60s hit single.

  8. 8
    👽 Martin says:

    @different-church-lady: Gehry makes shit buildings. They’re definitely interesting to look at, but they are engineered like shit. I know of what I speak – I work in one. A pretty building is worthless if their foundations suck, they leak, their air quality is crap, and so on.

  9. 9
    Amir Khalid says:

    Wow. The McAfee antivirus guy is wanted in Belize on suspicion of murder.

  10. 10
    👽 Martin says:

    @Amir Khalid: You need to read Wired to get the details. One of their reporters has been on the phone with him since the warrant was issued.

    McAfee is currently on the run from the police. “Under no circumstances am I going to willingly talk to the police in this country,” he told me this afternoon. “You can say I’m paranoid about it but they will kill me, there is no question. They’ve been trying to get me for months. They want to silence me. I am not well liked by the prime minister. I am just a thorn in everybody’s side.”

    Someone needs some meds.

  11. 11
    SteveinSC says:

    @different-church-lady: 10-250 and out.

  12. 12
    Roger Moore says:

    @👽 Martin:
    Not all of how the building turns out is on the architect. Bad execution by the builder can ruin a good design. I’ve been very impressed by the two Gehry buildings I know the most about, Disney Hall and the Geffen Contemporary (though the Geffen is a remodel rather than a ground up design).

  13. 13
    dm says:

    @different-church-lady: how would that help you find the buildings (and the rooms in them) on campus? Is the Fnord Building on the east side or the west side of campus? Does knowing where the Frobozz Building is help you find it?

    Plus 5 is easier to spell than Fnord.

  14. 14
    some guy says:

    By Zachary A. Goldfarb, Updated: Monday, November 12, 8:48 PM

    With President Obama seeking a deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff,” liberal groups that campaigned aggressively for his reelection are mobilizing to oppose concessions they fear he could make on Medicare and Social Security. Leaders of the nation’s labor unions and other liberal groups are planning Tuesday to press Obama at the White House to reject the kind of cuts in Medicare and Social Security that he has previously offered to make. On Thursday, left-leaning lawmakers and seniors groups plan to rally on Capitol Hill against any changes to entitlements.

    NOBODY saw that coming

  15. 15
    scav says:

    @👽 Martin: Ditto, with the key in the past tense. Design not suited for purpose, more to enhace the Gehryishness of the whole. Good to learn they’re a few decent ones. Most remind me of nothing so much as an architectural Izod alligator: recognizable so that everyone could notice you’d hired Gehry. Yes, I’m archaic and antediluvian: I prefer my buildings functional as well as uniquely conceptual.

  16. 16
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    NOBODY saw that coming

    What, that the paranoids who are convinced for no reason that Obama is going to kill Social Security would start acting on their delusion?

    Sorry, I saw that coming a mile away.

  17. 17
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @hilts:

    Katherine Goldstein to one of those fools who believes that if we just act nice enough toward the Republicans then they’ll certainly come around.

    The tell is this quote from her drivelicious screed:

    Liberals need to pipe down. Ruthlessly delighting in Republican sadness will not help bring anyone together to make the most of Obama’s second term.

    Ms. Goldstein could make nice to the Republicans all day long and they’d reward her by fucking her in the ass and then wiping their dicks off on her drapes.

  18. 18
    Mnemosyne says:

    Is there a particular reason why all of my comments are going into moderation? I haven’t changed my nym or e-mail address.

  19. 19
    Corner Stone says:

    @Mnemosyne: Probably because you are a congenitally inveterate liar. And a horrible excuse for a human being.
    Tell us all again how Texas gets more funds from the federal govt than they contribute. Please.

  20. 20
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    @some guy: Speaking of which, Spatula The Pure has been mighty quiet since the election.

  21. 21
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    “My vote for Kerry was the first I’d ever cast, and boy did losing hurt. But there was no one to around to rub my face in my own misery.”

    Shorter Katherine Goldstein: “I hadn’t discovered the internet in 2004.”

  22. 22
    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    Oh he’s been around. For obvious reasons he’s had to become the Troll of a Thousand Nyms.

  23. 23
    Corner Stone says:

    @some guy: You should be careful. They have identified at least “one regular commenter” who has been discussing this outcome.
    There’s not a lot of flexibility allowed in the comments before the gang pile.

  24. 24
    TooManyJens says:

    Speaking of Chris Hayes, I’ve been giggling about this (and about the epic ribbing he’s taking about it on Twitter) all evening:

    http://www.nationalenquirer.co.....ed-tv-nerd

    “Cher adores Chris,” revealed an insider. “She says he’s the perfect man for her despite the age gap and is bummed out that he’s married.
    __
    “She doesn’t want to mess around with tough guys and bikers anymore. She’d like to finally settle down with a man who can discuss things like world affairs and economic policies.

  25. 25
    MikeJ says:

    If you want to redesign MIT, all you need is the Infocom classic The Lurking Horror.

  26. 26
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    “mobilizing to oppose concessions they fear he could make on Medicare and Social Security…” even though the President has made no public pronouncements about these hypothetical concessions. I did see some comments from David Axelrod about how it “might” be possible to increase tax revenue without raising top marginal tax rates, and Lindsey Graham was urging the President to follow the advice of the catfood commission. Totally proves HE SOLD US OUT!

  27. 27
    Sad But True says:

    wow. john stewart is breaking up with mike huckabee on tv right now. basically calling him out on his party’s racism and on the religious dogwhistling.

  28. 28
    Stacy says:

    @Sad But True:

    I was just about to post on this. Stewart is really, really angry with the Republicans blaming their election loss on the “takers” and “lazy people.”

    Huckabee’s responses are lame.

  29. 29
    some guy says:

    @Corner Stone:

    oh don’t worry, half the commenters in this very thread piled on when I had the temerity to suggest that Obama’s past support for the Diamond-Orzag plan to “not slash…” Social Security and Medicare was unpossible, and that the very idea that President Kill List would countenance cuts to these programs was not only unpossible, but double plus heresy.

  30. 30
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Higgs Boson’s Mate:
    He has volunteered that his current nym is Ted & Hellen, probably because people weren’t recognising his special genius quickly enough o suit him.

  31. 31
    some guy says:

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    and yet here we are, with Saunders and Labor gearing up to fight cuts that are unpossible. those earlier claims such a Grand Bargain would never occur are inoperative then,
    I guess ?

  32. 32
    some guy says:

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    and yet here we are, with Saunders and Labor gearing up to fight cuts that are unpossible. those earlier claims such a Grand Bargain would never occur are inoperative then,
    I guess ?

  33. 33
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    Yes, yes, you’re a special snowflake because you can read and interpret Obama’s body language when he talks about Social Security but you can’t successfully read or interpret the reports issued by the Social Security Administration about what happens to benefits after 2038. Did you manage to find that “75 percent of benefits” part yet, or do I need to Google it for you again?

  34. 34
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    Yes, @some guy: Oh, they’re possible, I suppose. Unlikely, I imagine. If the President gives lip service to any such concessions I’ll be calling the White House switchboard and writing my congressional delegation but I’m not going to twist my purity panties into a knot on the basis of speculative Village fiction. YMMV.

  35. 35
    mainmati says:

    Is the Coates-Hayes discussion a webinar? If not, why not? (I realize you don’t control this, just thought I’d ask.) More of these things should be online events through Adobe Connect (preferably) or GoToMeeting. There are other technologies. Otherwise, what’s the point of telling people on the blog about it? I would imagine only a small fraction could attend at MIT meeting in person. Get with the 21st century MIT.

  36. 36
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    nice blowing smoke.

    I guess all your earlier denials such a scenario could EVER OCCUR are also inoperative? you truly are a useful idiot, aren’t you?

  37. 37
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    nice blowing smoke.

    I guess all your earlier denials such a scenario could EVER OCCUR are also inoperative? you truly are a useful idiot, aren’t you?

  38. 38
    some guy says:

    @Johnny Coelacanth:

    good, you go with your gut.

    leave the heavy lifting to actual liberals in the Senate and the labor movement.

  39. 39
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    @some guy: You might want to hit the “Submit” button just once.

    You might want to hit the “Submit” button just once.

  40. 40
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    the Diamond-Orzag plan

    Could you at least find current members of the Obama administration to attach your paranoid fantasies to instead of a guy who hasn’t worked for him since 2010 and a guy who’s never worked for him?

  41. 41
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    @some guy: “actual liberals in the Senate” That’s a good one.

    ETA: Oh, wait. We have Elizabeth Warren and Al Franken. My mistake.

  42. 42
    Corner Stone says:

    @some guy: Just saying. You now have Johnny Coagulant and the congenital liar Capt Mnemo trying to sniff you down.
    It’s tough when these two true American heroes have you in their sights.

  43. 43
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    I guess all your earlier denials such a scenario could EVER OCCUR are also inoperative?

    Um, considering that I still believe that Obama will not cut Social Security, I’m not sure what you think is “inoperative.”

    Do you also send letters to Procter & Gamble demanding that they stop sending their profits to the Church of Satan, because the fact that people still tell you that they do that is PROOF that it’s true?

  44. 44
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    funny, page A1 of the Post has a story today (see above) that says everything I claimed two weeks before the election (lame duck deficit reduction, Grand Bargain bullshit, labor and Saunders gearing up to fight benefit cuts post-election)

    you claimed it was tinfoil hat bullshit then, and are now simply doubling down on your earlier stupidity. good for you, a useful idiot is always useful, even as he proves his idiocy

  45. 45
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    funny, page A1 of the Post has a story today (see above) that says everything I claimed two weeks before the election (lame duck deficit reduction, Grand Bargain bullshit, labor and Saunders gearing up to fight benefit cuts post-election)

    you claimed it was tinfoil hat bullshit then, and are now simply doubling down on your earlier stupidity. good for you, a useful idiot is always useful, even as he proves his idiocy

  46. 46
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Could you at least find current members of the Obama administration to attach your paranoid fantasies to instead of a guy who hasn’t worked for him since 2010 and a guy who’s never worked for him?

    are you too slow to actually read that Zach Goldfarb story, or is the front page of the Post toooo obscure for you?

  47. 47
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    Now, with negotiations resuming, Obama has not made clear precisely how far he would go on entitlements. But people close to the White House say officials believe the election strengthened their hand and reduced the need to make concessions.

    Gosh, yes, the White House saying that they don’t need to make concessions to the Republicans is worth shitting my pants in fear over. You sure got me there.

    ETA: Also, people who can’t figure out how to insert a simple link to the story they’re shitting their pants in fear over probably shouldn’t call other people “slow.”

  48. 48
    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    @Corner Stain: I’m not trying to “sniff anybody down,” whatever that means. Is it something your mom does? I approve of any and all measures to push the President to the left. Go labor! Go Senate liberals! Yay! But the only purpose of sanctimonious bullshit like “NOBODY saw that coming hurr hurr” is to point out how wise and pure and insightful is Some Guy. Yeah, ok.

  49. 49
    scav says:

    “Consider the Fork: A History of Invention in the Kitchen” by Bee Wilson, for the memories of threads past.

  50. 50
    Yutsano says:

    @scav: Has anyone told McMegan about this? I think we’ll need her incisive culinary expertise on this delicate subject.

  51. 51
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    so you weren’t too sloooow to actually read the newspaper story. good for you, you can read. badly, but you can read.

    During debt negotiations with House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) in summer 2011, Obama tentatively agreed to increase Medicare premiums and later boost the eligibility age for the program from 65 to 67. He also was willing to modestly reduce Social Security payments by using a less-generous formula for making cost-of-living increases.

    unpossible! how could he?

    Now, with negotiations resuming, Obama has not made clear precisely how far he would go on entitlements. But people close to the White House say officials believe the election strengthened their hand and reduced the need to make concessions. The extent of any entitlement changes may depend on how much new tax revenue Republicans are willing to accept.

    ruh roh, I guess somebody missed that part? and what about this sentence?:

    In the negotiations, Obama may have to decide whether he is willing to break with his liberal allies in pursuit of a bipartisan agreement aimed at avoiding the year-end fiscal cliff — $500 billion in automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that many economists say could plunge the nation into recession.

    oh well, I am sure with practice your reading skills will improve. and as to an actual Obama official is, maybe you might ask Goldfarb who these “people close to the White House” are who connect cuts to entitlements with Republican willingness to raise revenue.

    idiot

  52. 52
    scav says:

    @Yutsano: joys to come, apparently m’lad, still more joys to come.

  53. 53
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    Gosh, yes, a story full of unsourced “maybes,” “possiblys” and speculation is clearly worth shitting our pants in fear over because it’s proof — PROOF! — that Obama is obviously going to KILL SOCIAL SECURITY!!

    Though I am highly amused that you clearly have no clue who this kabuki theater of labor representatives meeting with Obama to demand no cuts is meant for. Hint: it’s not Obama.

  54. 54
    Yutsano says:

    @scav: Oh such frabjousness awaits us! I wonder if we can persuade Tom to break his Blenderella moratorium. No doubt she is studying the subject with her usual careful thought and thorough consideration. I may just squee at the results.

  55. 55
    some guy says:

    to me the hilarious thing is meno mind told us all very loudly and very persistently (3 weeks ago) that such a negotiation would never actually occur, much less a week after the election, and to even suggest Obama would negotiate with the Republicans and with his left/labor allies over how best to “tweak” Social Security and Medicare was pure paranoid fantasy.

    and yet here we are.

  56. 56
    some guy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    you really are obtuse. 3 weeks ago in this forum I gave links to Preserve Social Security, to news stories about the AFL-CIO and Saunders gearing up for a fight immediately after the election, and now you pretend your earlier idiocy and your current blind stupidity are proven by the very things that disprove them.

    maybe corner stone is right, you aren’t an idiot so much as just an out and out liar.

  57. 57
    GregB says:

    So it looks like Cantor might have ruined the great GOP comeback in 2016 with the unstoppable Petreaus/Rubio ticket.

  58. 58
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    Dude, way to expose your reading comprehension problems. Again.

    As I have said before, and will repeat again, we do need to make some changes to Social Security or else the trust fund will run low in 2038 and will only be able to pay three-quarters (75%) of benefits to recipients. Here is the link, again, to the Social Security Administration’s annual trustees report. Will you at least pretend to read it this time so we don’t have to go through these basic facts again for, what, the third time?

    But, then, if Obama does propose any changes at all, like, say, raising the salary cap, I’m sure you’ll be back here Chicken Littling that OMG I TOLD YOU GUYS OBAMA WAS GOING TO KILL SOCIAL SECURITY I WAS RIGHT I WAS RIGHT I WAS RIGHT!!

  59. 59
    some guy says:

    nemo mind thinks he can blow smoke and use hyerbole to deny his useful idiocy. good centrist, good boy, pretend everything is supergroovy.

    like I told the other fool, you keep going with your Center-Right gut and leave the actual heavy lifting to liberals and labor.

  60. 60
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    3 weeks ago in this forum I gave links to Preserve Social Security, to news stories about the AFL-CIO and Saunders gearing up for a fight immediately after the election, and now you pretend your earlier idiocy and your current blind stupidity are proven by the very things that disprove them.

    You do realize that the fight that the AFL-CIO and Sanders (not Saunders, BTW) are gearing up for is with the Republicans, not with Obama, right? You have at least figured that much out?

    maybe corner stone is right, you aren’t an idiot so much as just an out and out liar.

    All I know about Corner Stone is that he really, really likes pie, so you may have to be more specific.

  61. 61
    Corner Stone says:

    @Mnemosyne: How about you tell us all here again how Texas gets more federal funds than it sends in?
    If I paid some Foxconn employee to chronicle all your willful lies I don’t think I could afford it.
    You’re a liar.

  62. 62
    some guy says:

    Other liberals say they will fight against any entitlement beneficiary cuts. The AFL-CIO kept its field organizers active for a week after the election to lobby lawmakers against entitlement cuts, while MoveOn.org is using its e-mail list of 7 million people to mobilize.

    “We will give the president and his allies in Congress all the support and cover in the world in the fight for no more tax cuts for the rich. That includes, in particular, supporting the president’s position that it’s better to negotiate past December 31st than do a deal that’s bad for the country,” said a top labor official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to comment ahead of Tuesday’s meeting. “On the other hand, the answer for those who want to cut social insurance benefits in an economic crisis and increase economic insecurity is, ‘Hell, no.’ ”

  63. 63
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: You’re right, Social Security will have a problem around 2037, but a few tweaks will fix that(increasing or eliminating the payroll tax cap, changing the COLA a bit). Medicare is the real problem.

  64. 64
    some guy says:

    You do realize that the fight that the AFL-CIO and Sanders (not Saunders, BTW) are gearing up for is with the Republicans, not with Obama, right? You have at least figured that much out?

    like I said, meets Lenin’s classic definition of “useful idiot”

  65. 65
    Roger Moore says:

    @MikeJ:

    If you want to redesign MIT, all you need is the Infocom classic The Lurking Horror.

    I was thinking that a blind monkey could probably design a nicer looking campus.

  66. 66
    some guy says:

    @Corner Stone:

    don’t bother. he can never show me where I claimed O would kill social security (in either lower=case or in all caps) so don’t expect much from our useful idiot, his talking points are with the argument he thinks he is having, not the one he actually is.

  67. 67
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    “We will give the president and his allies in Congress all the support and cover in the world in the fight for no more tax cuts for the rich. That includes, in particular, supporting the president’s position that it’s better to negotiate past December 31st than do a deal that’s bad for the country,” said a top labor official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to comment ahead of Tuesday’s meeting. “On the other hand, the answer for those who want to cut social insurance benefits in an economic crisis and increase economic insecurity is, ‘Hell, no.’ ”

    It’s just so fascinating to me that we can both read the same quote and have two completely different interpretations. I read that as saying that the AFL-CIO is rallying Democrats in Congress to support the president and stop any attempt by the Republicans to cut Social Security, while you read the exact same quote as meaning that they are planning to rally Democrats in Congress against the president to prevent his planned cuts.

    (Edited to fix emphasis.)

  68. 68
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    You may need to re-read, um, all of your comments in this thread if you’re unsure why I think you believe Obama is planning to kill Social Security.

    Are you now backing down and trying to claim you’re only upset because of potential cuts but that you really think he’s going to keep the program otherwise intact?

    ETA: Also, since the female name apparently did not clue you in, I am a “she,” not a “he.”

  69. 69
    SatanicPanic says:

    Oh FFS get a room

  70. 70
    Yutsano says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Medicare is the real problem

    ACA takes some real concrete steps to address this issue, one of which is to stop overfunding that Republican boondoggle that is Medicare Advantage. Bringing down medical costs in general will also help a lot here. The best part is it’s providers that are taking the cuts, not beneficiaries.

  71. 71
    slag says:

    Having just watched the most recent two episodes of Up on the inter webs, I have to say that show is getting more and more impressive as it ages. Though the token conservatives are predictably intellectually dishonest borderline sociopaths.

    And please tell Mr. Hayes that his surprise at Asian American support for Obama is unwarranted. Romney ran a surreality-based campaign. The one and only reason to support him was white nativism. It makes perfect sense that Asian Americans wouldn’t fall victim to that.

  72. 72
    some guy says:

    made it pretty c lear, 3 weeks ago, and today, we are talking about entitlement cuts, ie raising retirement ages, reducing benefits and changing the COLA formula for SS, and increasing out of pocket expenses for seniors on Medicare. serious cuts under some plans.

    but you keep arguing with the straw man you have constructed. funnier.

  73. 73
    Poopyman says:

    As George Takei would say:

    “Oh my!”

  74. 74
    Anoniminous says:

    Rick Perry is wussing on the secession thing.

  75. 75
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Yutsano: This is true, also ACA will reduce gaps in coverage, problems getting worse due to delays in seeing a doctor. So it might be enough to keep Medicare afloat. The problem with Medicare is the end of life care, not sure what can be done about that. I guess there’s always the republican plan, Die Quickly. (Extra snark added)

  76. 76
    Mnemosyne says:

    @some guy:

    made it pretty c lear, 3 weeks ago, and today, we are talking about entitlement cuts, ie raising retirement ages, reducing benefits and changing the COLA formula for SS, and increasing out of pocket expenses for seniors on Medicare. serious cuts under some plans.

    Sure, let’s address those:

    Raising the retirement age is part of the fiscal commission’s report, but I haven’t seen an actual public proposal from Obama to do that. (Secret conversations with Republicans that Republicans subsequently leaked don’t count.) Please point me to any articles or speeches where Obama champions that idea.

    Changing the COLA formula is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to think. Since inflation has been kept so low for so long, benefits are currently outstripping inflation, which was not the original intent of the program. I’ve seen good arguments on both sides and, frankly, I haven’t come to a definite conclusion, because they both have really good points.

    Medicare is a whole different ball of wax, because it’s been folded in under PPACA, so the proposed changes that were outlined in the deficit commission report are no longer operative. Because so much of Medicare is now under PPACA, it’s essentially been separated from any upcoming negotiations because negotiating new changes to Medicare would require simultaneous changes to PPACA, and that ain’t happening, as even Boehner has admitted.

    As I have said many times, there will have to be changes to Social Security for beneficiaries to receive 100 percent of their promised benefits after 2038. No one disputes that, so claiming that we can just go along as we are forever is denying reality. Personally, I’d rather make those changes under a Democratic president than take our chances with the next Republican to come along, but of course YMMV. Obviously, my preferred change is to raise the salary cap since it’s comically low right now, but I would also be willing to take another look at the COLA numbers.

    Also, assuming all goes well with PPACA and that we are able to improve and expand upon that legislation in the coming decades, you do realize that universal health coverage will necessitate the death of Medicare as a separate program, right? It would make absolutely no sense to have two separate programs, one for people under 65 and one for people over 65.

  77. 77
    SatanicPanic says:

    @Anoniminous: Rick Perry might have been the most overhyped pol since Fred Thompson. Those internet conservatives sure know how to pick em.

  78. 78
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Heh. Funny how Perry changes his tune as soon as his presidential ambitions have died. Now that he doesn’t have to pander to national teabaggers, suddenly staying part of the US seems like a good idea after all.

  79. 79
    Yutsano says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Also, assuming all goes well with PPACA and that we are able to improve and expand upon that legislation in the coming decades, you do realize that universal health coverage will necessitate the death of Medicare as a separate program, right? It would make absolutely no sense to have two separate programs, one for people under 65 and one for people over 65.

    This also predicates the demise of the VA, since its purpose under a universal health care scheme would also be redundant. This would be a huge savings to the Department of Defence, which certainly could be dedicated back into promoting universal care. Sounds like a winner all around to me. No wonder it’ll take a huge fight to get.

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    Anoniminous says:

    And in other news:

    Holly Solomon, 28, chased her 36-year-old husband Daniel Solomon with the family Jeep SUV on Saturday night over a political argument stemming from the fact he didn’t vote, CBS station KPHO in Phoenix, Ariz. reported. She pinned him between the underside of the SUV and the curb when he tried to run for help.
    The husband told investigators that Solomon believed her family was going to face hardship from President Barack Obama’s re-election.

    They are starting to turn their violence inward. Hope it stays there.

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    MattR says:

    @Anoniminous: The brilliance of that is magnified by the fact that Romney won Arizona.

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    Anoniminous says:

    SatanicPanic, Mnemosyne:

    Since rousting the rubes time is over, Perry has deflated to grifting his fellow Texans. Fine by me.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Letting people have a session with their doctor to discuss end of life care and living wills with no co-pay as was originally written into the PPACA might have helped but, yanno, DEATH PANELS! Heaven forbid we should let seniors have a rational discussion about end of life care and make their own decisions based on those discussions.

    @Yutsano:

    There would still probably need to be some specialized veterans’ services for amputees, PTSD patients, etc. But the DoD could pony up a piece of their budget for those while folding the more ordinary care back into the main system.

    ETA: Also, too, from everything I’ve heard about it recently, I would be more than happy to have an American UHC system based more closely on the VA than on Medicare.

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    Mr. Cole just went on a rampage on the Twitter. Something to behold.

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    MattR says:

    A facebook comment led me to look up the following numbers from Pennsylvania last Tuesday

    Votes for President Obama – 2,907,448
    Votes for Governor Romney – 2,619,583

    Votes for Democratic Congressional candidates – 2,722,560
    Votes for Republican Congressional candidates – 2,651,901
    (assuming my math is correct)

    Number of House seats won by Democrats – 5
    Number of House seats won by Republicans – 8 oops, 13. Big difference

    The closest House race was 4 points, but the second closest was a 14 point victory.
    The five Democrats who won received 61, 69, 77, 85 and 89 per cent of the vote in their elections.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @MattR:

    Yup.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: Sure seniors will be too confused by “end of life” discussions with their doctors(OMG, DEATH PANELS), but they really want to wade though competing health care plans to find the price that can apply their coupon to. (Again, Republican “logic”)

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: I hear Mr. Cole has a blog.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Anoniminous: She’s right, her family is going to face hardship from President Barack Obama’s reelection. Let the prophecy be self-fulfilled!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @MattR: Ah, who did redistricting in PA for this election? Worked as planned.

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    Jerzy Russian says:

    @Poopyman: Now that is funny and extremely sad at the same time. It is funny since it is funny, and it is sad that the quality of the media in this country has taken a nosedive to the extent that it has taken.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I would be more than happy to have an American UHC system based more closely on the VA than on Medicare

    That would essentially be an American version of the NHS, where the doctors are direct employees of the government as opposed to individual contractors. Doesn’t seem to hurt the Brits too badly.

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    @BillinGlendaleCA: yes, but, well, he says stuff on Twitter that he doesn’t here.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @some guy:

    are you too slow to actually read that Zach Goldfarb story, or is the front page of the Post toooo obscure for you?

    Are you too dumb to understand that the WaPo is simultaneously the Daily Granny-Starver and the class newspaper for Washington High, which is currently all ablaze about how Paula’s been hanging out with Dave and telling Jill to back the f off?

    It is not a thermometer of the nation’s political temperature.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: True, a few months ago he invited everyone over to his house.

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    Johnny Coelacanth says:

    @some guy: “leave the heavy lifting to … the labor movement.” Hmmm. Isn’t heavy lifting exactly why we have labor? I’m a knowledge worker.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Ah, who did redistricting in PA for this election? Worked as planned.

    The same computers that did NC’s.

    I’d like UnskewedDistricts.com, please.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @MattR:

    That’s what gerrymandering is for …

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: We tried districts with natural borders(city limits, county lines, etc) this time here in CA. Worked pretty well, you know states being the laboratory of democracy kinda thing.

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    piratedan says:

    @MattR: it’s a very personal edition of GOTV

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    Anoniminous says:

    @SatanicPanic:

    I know, it’s weird she was “worried about her family” and then goes out and ensures major, deep, problems with her family.

    I’ll never understand these people.

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    @BillinGlendaleCA: The Republicans were really, really keen on that idea, until they saw the results. That was funny.

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    MattR says:

    @Mnemosyne: Which was the point I was gonna make on facebook that got me looking at those numbers. Someone commented about creating term limits and I was gonna suggest we fix the incumbency racket instead. (EDIT: I would suggest campaign finance and lobbying reform in addition to actually neutral redistricting)

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That is way too logical.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @MattR: Term limits have not been a success here in CA, I’d call it more of an unmitigated disaster.

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    MattR says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I have no doubt. If they are owned by the same backers, it doesn’t matter if it is one person serving for 20 years or 5 for 4 years each.

    I did not bother to make this point on facebook because I discovered the actual topic of the post was an urban legend from Fox News that families of Congressmen don’t have to pay back student loans and I wanted to focus on correcting that.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @MattR: The problem with term limits is that even if the legislators are not owned they have no expertise in being a legislator. They end up depending on “experts”(corporate shills) to educate them on the various issues that come before them.

    Note: Corporate shills can sometimes be unions, here the prison guards union is quite powerful.

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    👽 Martin says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’ll help:

    Raising the retirement age is part of the fiscal commission’s report, but I haven’t seen an actual public proposal from Obama to do that.

    The best reporting we have over the grand bargain over at the NYT says that Obama rejected that flat out. He also rejected raising the Medicare eligibility age flat out.

    Changing the COLA formula is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to think. Since inflation has been kept so low for so long, benefits are currently outstripping inflation, which was not the original intent of the program.

    Correct. The one area that SS doesn’t keep pace with is health care, which is what PPACA is designed to address. The solution to health care outpacing inflation isn’t to inflate social security and bankrupt both it and Medicare, but to cut health care inflation back to CCPI levels. That’s the only solution. It’s not a spending cut solution, it’s a reform the industry solution.

    Because so much of Medicare is now under PPACA, it’s essentially been separated from any upcoming negotiations because negotiating new changes to Medicare would require simultaneous changes to PPACA, and that ain’t happening, as even Boehner has admitted.

    Obama is willing to cut spending from Medicare. He did that as part of PPACA and he accepted it as part of sequestration. But his cuts were by reducing what Medicare would pay for services by agreement with hospitals (in exchange for them not having to deal with uninsured patients any longer due to the mandate – kill the mandate, lose the $500B in savings). There’s more room to cut in Medicare without cutting services. It won’t be as easy – but there’s room there. Medicare spends $550B per year. $250B over 10 years is about a 3% reduction, when you factor in inflation and growth. And if they can do it – good. Like I said before, those costs need to come back to general inflation levels.

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    Alison says:

    This thing is getting…jeez.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11......html?_r=0

    Gen. John Allen, the top American and NATO commander in Afghanistan, is under investigation for what a senior defense official said early Tuesday was “inappropriate communication” with Jill Kelley, who was seen as a rival for David H. Petraeus’s attentions by Paula Broadwell, the woman who had an extramarital affair with Mr. Petraeus.

    You know…I find it sort of morbidly amusing that for all the nasty tropes out there about black men in general and Obama in particular…a sex scandal happens and it involves a couple (so far!) of boring-ass corn-fed, normal looking white dudes.

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    srv says:

    Just when you thought it was getting insane

    The Pentagon is investigating the top US commander in Afghanistan, Gen John Allen, for sending potentially “inappropriate” emails to a woman linked to ex-CIA director David Petraeus, defence officials say.

    You know what this is? She’s known for putting parties together parties for troops? You wanna guess what kind of parties?

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Okay, in General Fuckage news: turns out that the woman who was getting the stay-away threats from Paula the Broad exchanged 20 to 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate emails” with another general, the current commander in Afghanistan.

    In case you weren’t keeping track: Paula wrote a book about Dave, and they started banging, then Paula was all “GTFO” with Jill, and FBI Shirtless Division got involved there, and it now turns out that Jill’s been sexting with John.

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    srv says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: This is a prostitution ring. Heidi Fleiss for DoD.

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    sharl says:

    At this point, I’m hoping that shirtless FBI dood is gonna be like ‘Torch’ (Gregory Harrison) in the 1986 spoof serial FRESNO!, going about his business shirtless 24/7.

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    TheMightyTrowels says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: Jesus the pr0n spoof of this is going to be EPIC.

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    TheMightyTrowels says:

    (stupid moderation. I totally misspelled the bad word too. I think FYWP is learning – hide your girlfriends, hide your wives)

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    (stupid moderation. I totally misspelled the bad word too. I think FYWP is learning – hide your girlfriends, hide your wives)

    ETA: no. i just misspelled my nym.

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    johnny aquitard says:

    What does an unpaid social liason and the US commander in Afganistan have to say to each other that takes 30,000 pages? Seriously. That can’t all be sexytalk emails.

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    👽 Martin says:

    @johnny aquitard: Good point. I wonder if Stephen King has churned out 30,000 pages in his career. That’s a lot of writing.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Yutsano:
    Universal health care would also eliminate the need for workers comp insurance. If you are covered under one plan for everything it becomes redundant as well.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    As a user of the VA I heartily agree. The VA is unbelievable. And in a good way. My waits are less than when I used to use insurance and go to a private Dr. And there is no waiting for some insurance claims dept to decide if I need some procedure, my Dr. does that. And then it gets scheduled and done. Easy Peasy. And the quality is as good or better. I am a very happy customer of the VA

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Got a link? I wasn’t sure what I was looking for.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Tom: I sent you an email re tonight’s program with TNC and CHayes.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @dm: Somehow they don’t seem to have these problems down the road at Harvard.

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    natthedem says:

    What good is the Massachusetts Institute of Technology if they can’t stream events like this?

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    sherparick says:

    @Mnemosyne: So we do the a 30% cut in benefits now? That is what it means in 2038 if they change over to “Chained CPI” for computing benefit increases is a 30% cut in benefits insteady of a 25% cut if things are unchanged? And the last time I looked, 2038 is still 26 years away, so a lot time to look for the revenue to maintain the benefits. For more on Social Security and this debate, check out: http://www.angrybearblog.com/2.....attle.html

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    les says:

    @sherparick:
    Ya know, if you’re going to pull hard numbers out of your ass, you probably shouldn’t link to a source that doesn’t support them. And really, if you’re one of those stupes who looks at a number that gets larger every year and gets all shrill about how it’s been cut, just go away. Please.

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    MattR says:

    @les: As opposed to people like you who insist that decreasing the amount of money that somebody is scheduled to receive is somehow not a cut? If you are originally scheduled to receive $10 this year and $20 next year but instead it is decided to give you $10 this year and $15 next year, how is that change not cutting your scheduled benefits?

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