Monday Evening Open Thread: FEMA

I’m assuming OfA will have posted an ad riffing off this clip by next weekend…

Our twilight was enlivened by a series of Frankensteinian TZOOORP! BZZZZZZAATTT! ! ! flash-bangs as a primary overhead wire, but not our primary wire (praise Murphy the trickster god), tore loose and started a small fire further down the block. Over the next two hours, as the power dropped in and out, we lost multiple fuses and (it looks like) the only remaining kitchen outlet for our small electronics, such as the microwave. If nothing worse happens overnight, we’ll consider ourselves very fortunate.

(Also, for some reason, our thunder-phobic rescue dog Zevon was not at all worried about the giant manmade electrical bursts of noise and light. Dogs are mysterious critters, and I renamed this one after the Excitable Boy for good reason!)

How are things holding up for the rest of the Balloon Juice community, inside or outside the Sandy perimeter?


ETA: Via Americablog:

What was that German portmaneau word for “a face that cries out for a fist in it”?

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174 replies
  1. 1
    Lojasmo says:

    Can I has Seattle GTG sometime between 11/29 and 12/01?

  2. 2
    Poopyman says:

    Well, there’s a subthread in the post below, but I’m thinking that since we’re on a well I might want to take a shower while we still have power.

    See y’all in a bit, powergrid willing.

  3. 3
    anibundel says:

    Buzzfeed is down!
    Thankfully, I prepared for this by living in a house with multiple cats.

  4. 4
    feebog says:

    Wishing all of you on the East coast safe haven through this storm. Beautiful day here in SoCal, looking like a nice week as well.

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    Captain C says:

    Very windy here in a Zone C part of Brooklyn. Apparently, the Battery, Red Hook (Brooklyn), and Rockaway are getting hit very hard.

  6. 6
    anibundel says:

    Our living room bay window box is leaking. I see new windows in our very near future.

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    Raven says:

    Keeping up with live reports from Hatteras and NYC on the hated Facebook.

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    Cambridge Chuck says:

    After four hours’ power outage, we’re back on the grid — was supposed to do GOTV calls for Warren, but not tonight! We’ve lit a fire in the fireplace and opened a decent red. Think we’ve ducked the worst of it here — but still holding breath re: storm surges for beach dwellers.

  9. 9
    Robin G. says:

    Quiet in the midwest, but worried about friends and family in central Maryland. Also, Ocean City is looking pretty wrecked. There goes my childhood :-/

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    General Stuck says:

    Video no worky for me. I just hope Obama’s FEMA is on the ball. For several reasons, some political. Romney will once again claim he is for a federal disaster agency before he was agin it.. And it was his beautiful existence that takes credit for all that is wholesome and good.

    The weather is wonderful here, though with chilly nights and my early twentieth century salvaged from the wreck of the TItanic gas heater, once again dead as Caesar.

  12. 12
    aimai says:

    Man, Cambridge Chuck, I’m in cambridge too. No power outages here (yet!).


  13. 13

    Prayers and good thoughts sent to all of our Juiceboxes back east and for that matter everyone back east. Have a few FB people on my feed that are posting stuff like, “rethinking weathering the storm on Roosevelt Island” then getting angry at people who express concern. Ahhh, humanity.

  14. 14
    Raven says:

    Tweety’s crew is delirious. They think that an efficient response will make the fucking teabaggers see the err of their ways! As if.

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    EconWatcher says:

    At least in my part of Northern Virginia (Fairfax), this seems to be turning out to be a big nothing. Power still on, and wind forecast to begin slowing down in an hour. My best to all those harder hit.

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    anibundel says:

    Jesus, the people on CNN are all about to die aren’t they?

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    Yutsano says:

    A co-worker was kind enough to give me her reds shedoesn’t like, so I am now the proud owner of a Cab, a pinot noir, and a malbec. I think I’m set for my birthday tomorrow.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    Power out since 5:30 in my corner of NoVa. Sitting in the dark drinking champagne and nibbling almonds and dark chocolate. The housecat was kneading her heated throw, hoping CPR would revive its warming properties, but now she is randomly zooming around and coming for reassuring skritches.

    Don’t think I’ll really go into Internet withdrawal until tomorrow morning.

    Wind about the same–30 mph gusting to 50 mph.

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    Redshift says:

    Power flickered once (in NoVA), but other than that it’s been fine. For a while, there was a drip in an odd place — near the peak of the roof next to the fireplace, and then oddly enough, it stopped. I hope it’s nothing serious; I’ll have to have a look up there after the storm.

  20. 20
    Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason says:

    Repost from previous thread:

    Just over the Mason-Dixon line in PA, we’ve had steady rain and ~30 mph winds, with higher gusts all afternoon. I’m estimating it from the Beaufort Scale as a 7, according to the evidence from trees and branches moving). Seems like an unending nor’easter on steroids to me.

    ETA Still have power and cable.

  21. 21
    Hawes says:

    Sandy squats upon us like a flatulent sumo wrestler and the lights are flickering here in CT. I await the coming plunge into darkness and the return to the Dark Ages: War, Pestilence, Famine…. Death.

    Also, too, no Monday Night Football.

  22. 22
    anibundel says:

    I’m in Fairfax. Have I mentioned that our living room is leaking?
    Also the siding came off the neighbor’s house and blew into our yard. We quietly put it back into their yard, in hopes that it might be a clue to check their siding–as when a piece of their roof came off in July, we did not do that and they seem to have no clue it happened.
    No we haven’t had any 4 story apartment buildings collapse, but that doesn’t mean this is a big nothing.

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    General Stuck says:

    Don’t nobody go fishing.

  24. 24
    Hawes says:

    @Raven: Right, because if there’s one thing you can use to convince a Teatard of something, it’s empirical evidence.

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    Mary G says:

    I’ve just switched from the Weather Channel to MSNBC and I think I’ll change back. The difference in tone is amazing.

    Here in So Cal it’s 69 degrees and sunny. I feel a little guilty. I hope all of you are safe and sound either hunkered down or evacuated.

  26. 26

    Had a little electrical excitement outside earlier. Somehow they fixed it without cutting anybody’s power.

    Right now I’m feeling the house start to shake and list like an old ship in the wind, while the loathsome Chuck Todd lectures me on the political implications of hurricanes.

    Maybe the power will go out soon.

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    Raven says:

    @anibundel: Keef Hartley Born to Die, smokin guitar.

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    John PM says:

    We have a high wind and flood advisery for downtown Chicago for the next 24 hours. My office is far enough away from the Lake so I do not have to worry about flooding, but 60 mph winds through the skyscrapers will make for tough going. Fortunately, I early voted for Obama and Tammy Duckworth today, so one less thing to worry about. Hope everyone on the East Coast comes through ok.

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    sfinny says:

    Very windy here just north of NYC. Power went on and off for a while, but has been OK for the last hour. Figured I would turn the computer on to check email and BJ while I still have it.

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    cathyx says:

    @Yutsano: Which will be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?

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    El Cid says:

    So is this finally Obama’s opportunity to activate all the ACORN-run FEMA camps and round up all the gun owners so that he can invite UN occupation forces to impose Shanana Law?

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    geg6 says:

    It’s been raining all day, they say about an inch so far. We expect, when it’s all over (they say Thursday), we’ll have gotten another 5-6. Over the last hour, the winds have really picked up and it’s really blowing out there. Anticipated winds of 40-50 mph. Local weather says the worst will come through from 9pm to 9am. And this is in Pittsburgh!

    My OFA leader says we should all think about volunteering en masse for any disaster relief locally, at least until the worst is over. There will definitely be flooding of all the rivers and creeks and, with the Monongahela getting a foot of snow down in WVA, the big rivers (the Mon, the Allegheny and the Ohio) will hit flood stage, I’m guessing.

    I have a lot of friends who live in low lying riverfront neighborhoods and towns. I’m worried for some of them. If we don’t lose electricity and Beaver doesn’t lose electricity, I’ll call the local OFA and see if volunteers are needed and if we’re going to make a joint effort.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    Wind speed has been increasing and rain also increasing where I am. No power problems. From my windows I can’t really see our grounds very well so I won’t know about downed tree branches and such until I can go out.

    Periodically it feels like my building is swaying. Weird sensation.

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    anibundel says:

    Gawker is also down. But I assume that’s only ironically.

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    jnfr says:

    I live outside Denver, and other than a few bits of lingering snow from last week, the weather is calm and sunny. Supposed to get up into the 70s and stay warm all week.

    I’m watching the storm coverage because I have friends in the area of peril, but it’s weird to not be the one in a dangerous blizzard.

    I think the ocean is angry, not that I’m superstitious or anything (much).

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    GregB says:


    I have already seen a Newt-memed photo that states: Obama didn’t come back for Benghazi but he rush back for Sandy!

    With a big picture of that pasty faced shitheel grinning from ear to ear.

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    Greg says:

    It wouldn’t be fair to attribute this position to Gov. Romney now, because he’s almost certainly had 14 different positions on it since then. Spin the roulette wheel again! (Not really a fair roulette wheel, though. It always lands on stupid.)

  38. 38
    Raven says:

    @GregB: Oh yea.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Battery Park now 12.54′ and still climbing. That’s a foot above what NHC and NWS predicted and still climbing at 2′ per hour. Half of that is normal tides. The other half is surge. High tide is in an hour or two so the rate of tidal increase should be diminishing now.

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    JGabriel says:

    The previous record for a storm surge in Manhattan was set in 1821 at 11.2 feet. It flooded the city up to Canal Street.

    The latest storm surge measure is at 12.75 feet, and high tide is still an hour away.


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    redshirt says:

    @El Cid: About time. I’ve soooo been waiting for some good old Sharia Law.

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    guachi says:

    Here in Laurel, MD (midway between DC and Baltimore) it’s been rainy (but not too bad) and windy (but not too bad). It’s not much worse than a typical all day rain.

    Lights flickered, but even that’s normal for any rain storm.

    My mother in Dover, DE got bombed with rain but it wasn’t very windy.

    Looks like flooding is going to be the worst thing we get, barring a power outage. Keeping fingers crossed.

  43. 43
    Darkrose says:

    Worried about y’all on the other coast.

  44. 44
    anibundel says:

    Seriously, Erin Burnett is slowly drowning before our eyes, and no one is doing anything about it.

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    tworivers says:

    I have to say, I’m a little less confident about Warren winning the MA senate than I was 2 weeks ago. I still think her chances are good, but I think some of Brown’s slimy dishonest attack ads (he’s got a new batch that are particularly appalling) have started their toll.

    Was down on the South Shore driving around Marshfield and Scituate and saw a lot of Brown for MA sings ( his catchphrase on the sign: “He’s for us” – which leads me to ask “Yeah, but who do you mean by “us”? Wealthy Republican suburbanites?).

    Am kinda burned out on elections at this point(and have volunteered for Warren on several occasions already), but this last week is going to count a lot, I think. No rest for the wicked (pissah liberal).

  46. 46
    arguingwithsignposts says:


    Buzzfeed is down!
    Thankfully, I prepared for this by living in a house with multiple cats.


    That’s the best news I’ve heard all day!

  47. 47
    Madeline says:

    Just got a robopolled by Rasmussen here in WI. The first half of the poll had you press one for O, and two for RMoney. Second half they switched it. Is that normal? I almost accidentally pressed one for Rmoney as better for the economy.

  48. 48
    Yutsano says:

    @cathyx: I think I’ll drink the malbec first. Or last. It ain’t cheap.

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    👽 Martin says:

    From Dr. Jeff:

    As of 6 pm EDT, the storm tide at The Battery in New York City was 10.1′. The record is 10.5′, set during Hurricane Donna of 1960. That also happens to be the level the Lower Manhattan subway system will flood, unless the defenses have been improved since last year’s Hurricane Irene. High tide is at 8:53 pm. The rise in surge has slowed down, but the surge may not be slowing down fast enough to avoid record flooding in New York City.

    As of now it’s 12.5′, two feet above the record, and still climbing. According to him, that’s also 2′ above the level that will flood the subway system down there. If true, that’s not a couple feet of water to pump out, that’s floor to ceiling flooding for probably a hundred miles of subway lines, electrical rooms, work spaces, and so on. The amount of space carved out from below sea level in Manhattan is staggering.

  50. 50
    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    Halfbreed is a great album. Find YouTube videos yourself. I’m out of action.

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    Ed in NJ says:

    Lights flickering, just waiting to lose power at this point. Very scary, high winds here in North/Central Jersey, but no flooding, thank FSM. Trees are swaying, parts of the siding are flying off the house. Wife and kids are scared. Trying to remain calm for them.

  52. 52
    aimai says:


    I agree, its too close to call and the asshole vote is resurgent. The only thing to do is GOTV. I’m going to be doing it all weekend and poll watching/head counting on election day. We are going to drag every cambridge voter to the polls directly. But its going to take a lot to overcome the spite voters in the suburbs.


  53. 53
    Redshift says:

    @Madeline: I had that in one robopoll I got. I think it’s pretty common, since there’s a slight advantage to being listed first.

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    nellcote says:

    PBO and FEMA have been full on practicing for NYC hurricanes since 2009.

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    RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist says:

    I’m in Birmingham, Alabama & +2 cervezas.
    Headed home to Derroit in the morning after doing 2 hours’ work here. Getting through to a travel agency is a small hassle. Microscopic, actually compared to the challenges of those facing 20′ waves all of a sudden.
    I have confidence in our soc1@l1st governmental jack booted FEMA thugs to do their best, and deepest sympathies for those going through hell right now.

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    Raven says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): I’ve got the vinyl and digital. Sacked is awesome with Mayall firing Keith.

  57. 57
    anibundel says:

    As for that “Frankenstorm” name:

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    Redshift says:

    @EconWatcher: Are you sure? The forecast I just saw said the hurricane-force winds are supposed to start around 10pm.

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    22over7 says:

    Cantore was standing out at the Battery, and while the expert in the studio was yammering on and on and on, the water started to rise rapidly. Cantore kept trying to cut studio expert off, saying, “Really, I think I need to move my crew out of here.”

    Studio expert: “Well, yes, when we started talking, water wasn’t around your knees! That’s really interesting! Can you tell us, Jim, about….”

    Poor Cantore. He finally got rid of studio expert and, I’m sure, got himself and his crew the hell out of there.

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    Kool Earl says:

    Christie using storm to take down a political foe? Many reports about Christie blasting Atlantic City Mayor Lorenzo Langford (who Christie has an ongoing battle with) for supposedly encouraging people in Atlantic City to take local shelter rather than evacuate, but according to this story, Langford did encourage people to evacuate

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    cathyx says:

    @Yutsano: Yes, definitely drink the best first, you’ll appreciate it more.

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    moonbat says:

    Hunkered down in South Philly after hearing the eye of the hurricane is headed straight for us. Supposedly it will be safe to stick our head out of doors by 7 a.m. tomorrow. Right now it sounds like a freight train wants to come in my bathroom window….

  63. 63
    Larryb says:


    German portmanteau word

    There’s another kind?

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    👽 Martin says:

    @JGabriel: The surge in Kings Point is over 16′ now. The long island sound really piles up when the storm comes in at just the right angle.

    Battery is now 13.04′. Jesus, what a mess.

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:


    I just have the CD. Used to have the LP.

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    General Stuck says:

    That second clip had the dumbest wingnut to be recorded in recent history. “people are worried about their power going out not about FEMA”. Iddiot.

    It is anything that might help people that comes from the federal government is what they can’t stand. Because it busts the narrative of self reliance as depicted in numerous John Wayne movies, specially in the 50’s.

    What these morons don’t get is that John Wayne was a big wimp that let John Ford stomp all over his fake man da manhood, and lead him around like his personal poodle.

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    @El Cid:

    So is this finally Obama’s opportunity to activate all the ACORN-run FEMA camps and round up all the gun owners so that he can invite UN occupation forces to impose Shanana Law?

    And then he’ll be yelling at us to Get a Job.

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    peej says:

    I’m in central Montgomery County, MD. I still have power (it’s blipped once), knock on wood. Not near any water that might flood. And the fact that I don’t have a basement is definitely a plus in this case. The power lines into our subdivision are buried, but the feeder lines into the area aren’t.

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    JGabriel says:

    👽 Martin: Heh. Crossposted.

    I’m surprised my power is still up here in midtown, same neighborhood as the Empire State Bldg.

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    gwangung says:


    Seriously, Erin Burnett is slowly drowning before our eyes, and no one is doing anything about it.

    Should we?

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    Madeline says:

    @Redshift: Thanks – I thought it was a bit odd.

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    tworivers says:

    I’m going canvassing this coming Saturday and will try to get time off from work next Tuesday to help get voters to the polls. You’re right that GOTV is probably going to be the difference in an election this close.

    Brown definitely ain’t running on his record – his campaign strategy has been exclusively focused on tearing Elizabeth down. Hopefully voters will recognize this and realize what an empty suit he is.

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    JenJen says:

    My favorite storm-related tweet so far comes via RuPaul:

    Upon her NYC arrival, #Sandy has requested that we now refer to her as Saundra

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Mary G: Don’t feel guilty, you may experience The Big One one day as well as anyone on the west coast, and we will get the support of the government and the help of the people*, and hopefully those loudmouths who constantly bitch about people living in regions where there are chances of disaster(whether it is a tornado, hurricane, high fire tsunamis or earthquakes) will have the decency to STFU.
    * That statement is dependent on the election of President Obama and any others who are not Ayn Rand/Shock Doctrine devotees.
    Oh BTW to be a Republican does one have to be an major league A-hole or born one?

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    PeakVT says:

    @anibundel: I don’t think I can throw her an anvil from here.

    ETA: Or did you mean help her not drown?

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    dmsilev says:

    Google says that the word Anne Laurie is looking for is “backpfeifengesicht”.

  78. 78
    JGabriel says:

    Uh oh. My lights just blinked. Twice. I think a power outage might be coming soon.

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    👽 Martin says:

    We have a friend who lives right at Brooklyn Bridge Park. Based on this photo, I’m guessing his ground floor is wrecked. He evaced out to family up in VT.

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    redshirt says:

    Biggest difference for urban v. country storm happenings: Water. You don’t lose water during power outages in the city. In the country, you do. Which means not only no drinking water, but no toilet water, no showers, no dishes, no laundry. No water is a killer.

  81. 81
    El Cid says:

    Alan Simpson endorses Bob Kerrey over Deb Fischer.

    “These ‘Tea Party’ types, they’re just all such crazy fuckers nowadays, even compared to me…”

    No wait, that’s not it, those were actually my words, not the august Senator from Crankystan and Reaganvania.

    Ah, here we go:

    Former Republican Sen. Alan Simpson endorsed the uphill Senate campaign of Democrat Bob Kerrey in Nebraska Monday, describing his former colleague as a friend and someone willing to “place the national interest ahead of the howling special interests” in addressing the federal debt and entitlement reforms.
    Recent polls show Kerrey closing in on Republican Deb Fischer, and the Simpson endorsement appears timed to give the Democrat an added boost in reaching out to independent and GOP voters in this last week before the election.
    “We’ve had a long friendship going back to legislation we worked on together and the Danforth Commission,” Simpson told POLITICO, speaking of a 1990’s entitlement reform panel co-chaired by then Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.) and Kerrey. “I said `Can I help?’ and I did.”…

    Simpson trusts that only Kerrey is the type of politician who could help slash properly reform Social Security and Medicare.

    “Erskine and I are supporting Bob Kerrey because he has told Nebraskans the honest truth about the critical necessity of assuring the 75-year solvency of the Social Security system, and stabilizing Medicare and Medicaid in a way that preserves and strengthens the needed protections for seniors and the most vulnerable in our society,” Simpson said in his statement released Monday.
    “Bob and I often worked together in the U.S. Senate in a bipartisan way…He will place the national interest ahead of the howling special interests and be ready to make the hard, tough choices so needed today to rein in the destructive national debt and deficit and craft thoughtful solutions for these precious Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs in such a manner as to assure that they will “be there” for our children and grandchildren – and do it now – Before it’s too late.”

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    Richard Fox says:

    Wind is really howling in my neck of the woods, Prospect Park / Park Slope. I have a sinking feeling many trees in the park are going to be down. Hunkered down and just waiting for it all to die down. Ugh

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    MikeJ says:

    @Lojasmo: Yes, we’ll plan a Seattle get together. If anyone is sober at the Montlake Ale House election night I’ll even see if we can talk about it then.

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    burnspbesq says:

    What was that German portmaneau word for “a face that cries out for a fist in it”?


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    👽 Martin says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Oh, yes. We Californian’s know our day of reckoning is coming. And for us, it’ll be an earthquake combined with a massive wildfire along with unexpected mudslides – all at the same time.

    On the upside, it’ll be sunny and warm with no biting insects, so we’ll be fine.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    No word from John Cole for many hours – is power out in that part of WVA, or is he known to be up to something else?

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @tworivers: That’s the Irish Riviera. They’re Republicans because You Know Who are Democrats. Plymouth County luurrrvs Brownie.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Richard Fox: I like the wundermap. Shows various weather stations. Most of Brooklyn only shows ~20mph, but out at JFK they have 50

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    PeakVT says:

    NYC traffic cams are here. A lot of the ones in the Financial District are down, but some on West Street appear to show standing water on the road. The quality is abysmal, though, so its hard to say how much.

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    👽 Martin says:

    Looks like the tidal surge may be close to cresting. 13.26′. Only going up about .05′ per 6 minutes, as opposed to .2′ per 6 minutes just half an hour ago. High tide is in 40 minutes, and the surge from the storm barely increased in the last few measurements. Should start dropping within an hour.

    But damn, they were way low on their estimate.

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    MonkeyBoy says:

    I was out doing some normal shopping and noticed people stocking up on toilet paper.

    Why? I guess some people are really phobic/fetishistic about their bathroom habits and if society breaks down for a few days (e.g. my local supermarket can’t sell anything when the power goes out) at least they will be prepared to wipe their asses even when they have no heat, power, or water.

    Toilet paper hoarding seems to be a self-fulfilling problem. If there is a run on toilet paper then maybe you should get some before it all runs out or is no longer buyable.

    Some say that when society truly breaks down toilet paper will be a high valuable commodity, tradable for canned food, guns, ammo, and wimmen.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Holy crap. NYT:

    At 2:30 p.m., a crane at 157 West 57th Street snapped, leaving tons of metal dangling precariously over 1,000 feet above the ground, with no evident way to secure it with the storm bearing down.

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    weaselone says:


    It’s not exclusively based on attacking Warren. He’s also running on a hypothetical record on women’s issues. He’s proclaims himself for equal pay because he would have voted for Lily Ledbetter given the chance and is pro-choice. His actual voting record is mixed regarding abortion and he voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act.

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    Poopyman says:

    @JenJen: Shaved her legs and then He was a She?

    We’ve reached a sort of stasis here. Periodic surges of rain with gusting winds for a minute or two, then subsiding back to the dull roar. And we still have power! I think the main threat to the grid now is the soaking rains when the wind is still high. I’ll be really surprised if we still have power come sunrise.

    But it sounds like we’re having a walk in the park compared to NYC.

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    anibundel says:

    And my SIL has resorted to digging irrigation trenches to try and save her basement from flooding further.

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    anibundel says:

    Why I Love Nate Silver:

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @👽 Martin: As an Washingtonian it will be Earthquake, mixed with volcanic activitiy producing a monstrous lahar or tsunami hitting the coast. And still the Seahawks will find a way to lose a game or the Mariners still can’t hit the broad side of the barn, even when they moved the fences in some more at Safeco. :-)

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    MikeJ says:


    The first half of the poll had you press one for O, and two for RMoney. Second half they switched it. Is that normal?

    Yeah, standard practice is to randomize for each question.

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    Baud says:


    I read somewhere that the first draft of Dune was about toilet paper, but the publishers made Frank Herbert change it.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @MonkeyBoy: Which reminds me, how could people look fabulous on that TV show Revolution?

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    Baud says:


    You mean meteorologists don’t read David Brooks to determine whether Sandy is surging or has momentum?

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    Hill Dweller says:

    Why is Chuck Todd still pretending Mitt-mentum exists?

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    Comrade Mary says:

    Tree kills pedestrian in Queens.

    Piece of Staples sign kills woman in Toronto. And it’s just wet and windy here, not as bad as you guys on the east coast.

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    👽 Martin says:

    @burnspbesq: There are many difficult or impossible problems to solve when a storm is bearing down. Sometimes it just sort of works out.

    Work began immediately, and continued around the clock for three months. Welders worked all night, and carpenters labored during the day. In case of imminent disaster, an evacuation plan was put in place for the surrounding area, but the general public knew nothing of the circumstances… the press was on strike at that time, so news of the repairs did not disseminate to the populace. About halfway into the repairs Hurricane Ella formed, and it appeared to be on a collision course with Manhattan, but fortunately the storm veered out to sea rather than testing the limits of the half-repaired building. The reinforcements were completed in September of 1978, and the entire structure was re-evaluated for safety. Following the repairs, the building was found to be one of the most sturdy skyscrapers in the world. Despite the success, the crisis was kept hidden from the public for almost twenty years, until an article appeared in the New Yorker in 1995.

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    Shana says:

    @EconWatcher: From your mouth to god’s ear (as my truly wonderful mother-in-law is wont to say). I’m in Fairfax County too. We’ve had a couple of blips on the power front and are hoping that’s it too. Although we’ve gone away for the weekend and come back to all our appliances flashing when there was no weather issues at all, so who knows.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Same way cowboys on the old Westerns never had to pee.

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    nellcote says:


    yeah, it looks like a huge swinging dick over 57th St.

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    RossinDetroit, Rational Subjectivist says:

    Holiday Inn WiFi blows. I give up. Going to sleep. Have another 6:00 am flight. Second day in a row.

    Stay safe, everyone.

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    Robin G. says:

    Does anyone know what’s happening with the NYC subways?

    Also, Cole really needs to pop his head in and announce he’s alive. Once the ladyfriend gives him a break.

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    Felinious Wench says:

    You guys stay dry and take care. I’m in Houston, raised in Galveston…may the Storm Gods be appeased soon for you!

    The sound of the wind is scariest. Sounds like its alive and breathing.

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    SFAW says:

    @👽 Martin:

    Kings Point? You must have heard it on the news, because I can’t believe they’d let a BJer live there.

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    Shana says:

    @anibundel: Sounds like your neighbors should be in an apartment instead of a house, if they are so unaware of what’s happening to the outside.

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    dead existentialist says:

    @JGabriel: Holy shit! The storm has taken your trademark period.

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    SFAW says:


    Happy birthday, kid. And always try to stay as totes adorbs as you are.

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    feebog says:

    Watching Big Ed on MSNBC and one of the first clips was of his Bigness, Chris Christy. He had nothing but praise for FEMA. Said President Obama called him about 2:00 p.m., just the two of them on the phone. Obama asked Christy if he had everything he needed and Christy told him he had. Obama told him if he needed anything in the next 48 hours to call him directly and call him first, no middlemen.

    Martin O’Malley from Maryland was just on as well. Same message. It occurs to me that a quick, competent federal response to this mess might just remind a few undecided folks who has their back. Just sayin’.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Madeline: Sounds like they’re trying to control for the bias towards pressing the first option, but are too cheap to actually call enough voters, resulting probably in a lot of botched responses.

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    SteveinMD says:

    About 15 miles south of Baltimore we’re having a hell of a lot of wind and rain, but we still have power. Friends in several cities just south of here are not so lucky. We’re enjoying the lights and TV/internet while they last, and there’s a 9-week-old kitten in my lap who couldn’t care less about the big tree swaying around out behind the house.

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    Baud says:


    Chris Christie doesn’t want to have to wait until 2020 to run for president. Expect him to be Obama’s biggest fan for the next week.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @burnspbesq: Yes, JGabriel noted in two threads below. The crane was inspected on Friday and passed. They have turned off electricity and gas in the area for fears that the crane will fall.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Tried to get information from various live streaming TV sources and the screamy, frothy, drivel got to be too much.

    How can people watch that shit?

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    aimai says:


    Didn’t he cosponser the blunt amendment? That’s not a mixed record on women’s issues–that’s a horrendous record. Fake votes to appease the MA constitutents don’t count for squat when your real votes are like the blunt amendment one, or trying to shiv financial regulation.


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    Angela says:

    @Ed in NJ: Ed where are you? We have a house in Morristown that we have rented out, with an old tree in the back and I am kind of worried about the tree.

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    SteveinMD says:

    Oops, spoke too soon. A piece of that tree just fell on my barbeque during a particularly good gust.

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    El Cid says:

    We need to unskew the meteorology!

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    BonnyAnne says:

    Everyone in the tall ship community is glued to the latest news about the Bounty. I’ve got my own opinions about the ship but that’s neither here nor there when two crew go over the side in a hurricane.

    It’s sad for me in a more personal way than the rest of the weather-related news (don’t know anyone on the east coast). Didn’t sail with either of them myself, but everyone’s just a single step away from each other on the boats.

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    PeakVT says:

    @feebog: See if they mention how Rmoney only called Republicans governors who might be affected. Of course, it’s pretty stupid for Romney to be bothering them in the first place, so in reality he treated the Republican governors worse.

    Also, somebody should tell Senator Brown that he’s a legislator, not a member of the executive branch. The most helpful thing he can do at this point is stay out of the way.

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    Rosie Outlook says:

    @General Stuck: Really? Titanic salvage? My son wanted to see that traveling Titanic exhibit and I unexpectedly found it absorbing. I was fascinated by the perfume samples that had held their scent after all those years.

    Wet, cold, and windy in lovely central Ohio. My power’s on; it has to get really ugly for this street to go out. Thank the Lord.

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    JenJen says:

    @Yutsano: Always, always, ALWAYS drink the Malbec first. Happy Birthday, love! Lord Stanley sends woofs and licks!

    @anibundel: I absolutely adore the way Nate Silver is laughing at his critics, aka the entire Beltway Media. He’s a mensch.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    @anibundel: Well, this IS Erin Burnett you’re talking about, so there’s probably the issue of desire to do something about it–or lack thereof.

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    MikeJ says:

    @BonnyAnne: Were they not wearing harnesses? I realise they aren’t period acurate, but “one hand for the ship, one for yourself” only goes so far.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Kool Earl: Gaslighting.

    Best response would be utter defiance from Atlantic City for his mendacity, culminating in epic GOTV in 2014 against anyone–including Ficus–who is run against him.

    Worst case scenario, Christie is betting correctly that AC will have such damaged infrastructure that the city leadership will look bad for months, the population will scatter, and Christie will win cheap points with low-info conservative sludge in the NJ electorate (who always hated AC anyway because Hispanics).

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    scav says:

    @MikeJ: I thought I heard it was a wave while evacuating to smaller boat, three over, one wrestled back.

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    Jeremy says:

    I think Elizabeth Warren will win. The Polling I have seen has showed her with a lead. At this point I can’t see Brown winning because he would have to get a large amount of Obama voters.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @👽 Martin:

    We Californian’s know our day of reckoning is coming. And for us, it’ll be an earthquake combined with a massive wildfire along with unexpected mudslides – all at the same time.

    That doesn’t sound right. First you get the wildfire, then you get the earthquake, and the mudslides wait until you’re starting to dig out, at which point they bury everything again. And you’re unfortunately only going to get the mudslide when it’s raining torrentially, so there won’t be beautiful sunshine.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @👽 Martin: A TV documentary was done on this incident. It was very interesting. Apparently, had the Citicorp building fallen, it would have gone down like a lever, straight down at a 45 degree angle, taking other buildings with it as it fell on top of them.

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    gex says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Who are these people who think they are safe? I’m in the middle of the country in MN and we get wrecked by tornadoes and monster snow storms. Turns out weather events are everywhere!

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    Todd says:

    Velshi intends to drown.

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    Legalize says:

    Goddamn, friends posting pics on Facebook of Ave. C at 14th Street – cars under water.

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    Jay C says:

    20:52 here on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and outside of a few flickers of the lights, and disruptions of network broadcasting in favor of nonstop storm coverage, not much in the way of problems.

    And believe me, if having to reprogram the TiVo is the worst we have to deal with from a hurricane, we won’t be complaining……

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Robin G.: They are still shut down. No word on when they will restart running. See MTA website:

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    Rosie Outlook says:

    @Hawes: Your Internets are in the mail! *chortle*

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    Richard Fox says:

    @MikeJ: funny how it seems so much stronger than 20mph. But I trust that map over what I am hearing. Thanks for the info.

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    Cermet says:

    Most of my neigbors have lost power – we have it for now. By 2:00 AM, the center will pass a few mile NORTH (thank god) of us. Winds are bad only at times but the storm is 120-140 miles South-east of us in Maryland hitting poor NJ. Rain has been heavy but flooding isn’t too bad. Girlfriend thinks we will not make … sorry but can’t convince her otherwise. Hope we have power a little longer so I can activate the generator in the morning. That goodness someone is President who knows what they are doing!

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    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.) says:

    @Ed in NJ: Best wishes, Ed. Hang in there!

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    gwangung says:

    @Jay C: Well, knock on wood.

    But I hope we don’t hear ANY bellyaching over how this was overhyped. This was serious stuff, no fooling.

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    nellcote says:

    Anybody know if the building with the broken crane is a Trump property?

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    MikeJ says:

    @Richard Fox: Here’s the detail from a wx station in Park Slope. the good news is the barometric pressure is on the way back up.

    There’s a wind speed history chart that shows it peaking between 50-60.

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    weaselone says:


    Hard to call it anything but mixed regardless of the Blunt amendment. It is still absolutely misleading of him to call himself pro-choice and incredibly idiotic for to say it’s true because he said he was.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Richard Fox: I looked at the map. What are the numbers in yellow circles? It seems that those might be wind speeds and they were all high in 50-60 area.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Roger Moore:

    And you’re unfortunately only going to get the mudslide when it’s raining torrentially, so there won’t be beautiful sunshine.

    Not necessarily — remember the Laguna mudslides in 2005, which happened about four months after the torrential rains? It took that long for the water to seep down into the ground and loosen the surface, apparently.

    ETA: Here’s the LA Times story about the same slide.

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    22over7 says:

    @Robin G.:

    Weather Underground reports that subways are filling with water, fires have been reported, and they’ll be shut down at least until Wednesday, maybe longer.

    That’s all on the lower east side, so other areas may not be bad. Cantore stands astride the flood like a colossus.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @nellcote: No, it’s not. And the crane was inspected on Friday and passed. It will (not) be fun to investigate what happened.

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    Richard Fox says:

    @MikeJ: Mike– thanks so much for the info. I am obliged.

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    El Cid says:

    None of this would have happened if not for the federal deficit.

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    Richard Fox says:

    @PurpleGirl: wind speeds were in the 50’s, the yellow circle looks like temperature. Stay safe, btw.

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    max says:

    Nothing here – about as expected. Started raining yesterday afternoon, hasn’t stopped since. But never hard enough to flood. Wind came up around 5 pm and there was some minor house noise and that was about it. (The derecho was much much worse.) Power: no blips even. Supposed to be blizzard conditions up in the hills (‘…the hills are alive with the sound of random gunfirrreeeeeee….’) but only about 18″ up there. Not a big deal, except of course if you’ve lived around here all your life and have the memory capacity of a goldfish, which apparently many people around here do.

    The rescue dachshund is nervous but not near as freaked out as she is when they’re setting off the fireworks. (The other rescue dachshund is deaf so she doesn’t care, as long she gets her garbage and floor lint food.) The other not rescue dachshunds are annoyed that they didn’t get to go outside today. Outdoor kitty has holed up in the basement as he tends to do when the weather is bad. Because ladies, you can’t keep tomcat’s tomcat from catting about… unless it is uncomfy or something like that.

    NYC & NJ I see, on the other hand, are getting fucking creamed. OW. Hope this ends quickly and safely guys.

    [‘Katrina Experience would be a good band name.’]

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    JenJen says:

    Great pic via @pourmecoffee on Twitter:

    Empire State Building shines in the dark like a boss.

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    Roger Moore says:

    I guess you’re right. Like most Angelinos, I use the term “mud slide” imprecisely to talk about debris flows, which are a much bigger local hazard and occur predominantly in recent burn zones during heavy rain.

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    RedKitten says:

    I’ve just realized something…if Obama does a fantastic job dealing with the damage in NYC, the teatards will bitch that it’s only because it’s a blue area and that if this had happened in a red state, he would have let them all drown. And if Obama botches the job, then EVERYBODY will bitch.

    Poor fucker just can’t win, can he?

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    Redshift says:

    @aimai: It’s like any other Republican in a moderate/liberal state or district — vote lockstep conservative when it matters, and he’s allowed plenty of dissenting votes when it won’t make any difference, and those are the ones he runs on.

    We just had that obnoxious Romney ad on TV here (okay, one of many) where a female voiceover talks about “they claim Romney opposes contraception, but it’s not true — he said…”

    And yes, Romney did say those things, because he’s been on every side of every issue, but that saying that makes statements about him “not true” is a flat-out lie. I doubt anyone’s buying it except people who are looking for an excuse, though.

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    MikeJ says:


    if Obama does a fantastic job dealing with the damage in NYC, the teatards will bitch…

    They’ll bitch that he sent the actual island of Manhattan to Kenya and replaced it with a chinese made replica full of people who will rush to Ohio to vote for the dusky usurper.

    Don’t try to use any logic to determine what republicans will whine about. They don’t.

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    BonnyAnne says:


    I have no doubt that they were up to that point — also they all had their overboard Mustang suits, etc etc. No point in trying to be authentic when riding out a storm! Unfortunately the wave came at the worst possible time, when they were all struggling to climb into the two life rafts.

    As to whether they should have been there (rather than at the dock) is maybe not a topic I should go into today, what with the captain still being out there in the Atlantic somewhere. I will say, though: all the other east coast tall ships were strapped to docks. The ships were all in danger either way, but only option puts the crew out at sea.

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    tworivers says:


    It’s like any other Republican in a moderate/liberal state or district—vote lockstep conservative when it matters, and he’s allowed plenty of dissenting votes when it won’t make any difference, and those are the ones he runs on

    Yep. He’s only “bipartisan” when his vote won’t affect the outcome.

    When he voted with Dems for Dodd-Frank, he made sure the Dems watered the bill down (as if it wasn’t watered-down enough already) as a condition of his voting for it.

    That’s not to mention the fact that he listed Scalia as one of his favorite justices during one of the debates.

    I don’t know about y’all, but I don’t want a guy who admires Scalia in a position to potentially be a deciding vote for the next one or two Supreme Court justice nominations.

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    Raven says:

    @MikeJ: Christie has been very positive about the presidents response.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @👽 Martin: Ugh. I worked on the 60th floor of Boston’s infamous John Hancock Tower all through the 90s, and while the mass damper had long since eliminated the giant-panes-of-glass-crashing-down-on-Copley-Pace issue, every breezy day still set the blinds swaying as the whole building ‘flexed’. I kept an extra set of SeaBands in my desk to offer seasick visitors… some of whom didn’t believe me until I told them to go check the water surfaces vibrating in the toilets.

    If I were king, all public architects would be required to live & work in every building they put up for at least a year, because so much of what looks ‘exciting’ and ‘vibrant’ on paper is just hellish for the eventual inhabitants to work with, or around.

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    MikeJ says:

    @BonnyAnne: If it were designed like a modern ship, I would say there’s no doubt that it should be out at sea. Since I know next to nothing about tall ships other than “ooh pretty” I don’t know the wisdom of it. There’s certainly less to run into at sea, but if that’s the way you’re going to go, you need to commit to staying on board.

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    JR says:

    I’m pretty sure the word you’re looking for is “schadenfucker.”

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    SFAW says:

    @Anne Laurie:

    I think the swaying of skyscrapers is the nature of the beast, because (if I remember correctly) the downside to making a tall structure overly-stiff is significantly greater. I think the Sears Tower (or whatever it’s called these days) used to sway a foot or two in each direction, when the wind blew.

    Re: the Hancock: one of my engineering professors said something about how its design was similar to an airfoil, and the negative pressure would help the windows to pop out. (Not sure the mass damper had an effect on window-pop.) He was a fairly sharp guy, but that does not necessarily mean he was correct.

    (Disclaimer: I more-or-less sucked at statics and structures, was significantly better at thermo, fluid dynamics, mass flow, so my assessment regarding a structural issue might be off.)

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    Lojasmo says:


    Thanky! Someplace with gluten free food for Mrs. Lojasmo would be great.

    Also too, ale. (not gluten free) for me.


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    Haydnseek says:

    @nellcote: I’ve looked closely at the building and the crane, and can detect no fifteen-foot high tacky gold letters that spell “TRUMP,” so my guess would be no.

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    4jkb4ia says:

    I got around to seeing the Daily Show interview with Nate, and this may be the best one of these I have seen. In the Charlie Rose interview Nate was being very serious and looking intently at the other pundits. In this one he was clearly having a good time and cracking jokes, and Jon Stewart actually had good questions although I’m not sure how much he actually talked about the book. Stewart got Nate to say that most campaign news is fake news. You couldn’t say that on Charlie Rose.

    (I am absolutely buying Nate’s book. I hope that Subterranean Books is going to carry it. I am in some panic that I won’t be able to start “Winner-Take-All Politics” before the election, but I should make it.)

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    SRW1 says:


    Correct, though there is also the related option of “andere tragen ihren Arsch in der Hose”.

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    Medicine Man says:

    The word you are looking for is backpfeifengesicht — face that is begging for a fist.

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