I was just polled by Americans for Prosperity!

First, my lovely and highly productive hens:

Now for the poll: A volunteer from the Koch-sucker AFP group called me awhile back and asked if I thought President Obama’s policies had made the economy better or worse. I said I thought they had definitely made the economy better after Bush and his pals trashed the joint.

She then asked me if I planned to vote, and I told her I certainly did. She asked if I planned to vote early, and I replied that I would have already voted if I could have, but thanks to Tea Party-backed nitwit Governor Scott’s villainous attempt to exclude as many working people as possible by cutting the early voting period, I’d have to wait until tomorrow.

I then said I would be at the polls bright and early to cast my ballot. She wished me a pleasant evening, and I wished her the same.

Open thread!

[X-posted at Rumproast]

176 replies
  1. 1
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    That sounds too bland to be an AFP poll. Are you sure they didn’t ask you something like this: “Barack Obama, worst president? Or worst president ever?”

  2. 2
    MikeJ says:

    Rather than chickens, those should be herefords to go with the title.

  3. 3

    do your producer hens resent the moochers and looterz?

    I generally loathe Huffpo, but this is good on what Burke intended conservatives to be, today’s pseudoconservatives, starving the beast and economic hostage taking:


  4. 4
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: Target polling: “When you decided to raise chickens, did you ever think that Obama’s policies would cause you to have to eat them?”

  5. 5
    Donut says:

    If you’d have given her the slightest opening, her script would have directed her to spew some major push poll stuff. You should have lied and said you were on the fence. I would have, just to see where it went.

  6. 6
    Linda Featheringill says:


    Do you think the commentariat would understand the significance of “polling” and cattle?

  7. 7
    StringOnAStick says:

    Nice chicks!

  8. 8
    Punchy says:

    I see you’re sticking with the new pr0n rules here….no cocks in that picture. For once.

  9. 9
    aimai says:

    My beloved contractor finally showed up–we worked together on the house renovation five and six years ago so we argued politics all through the last election. He was going to vote for McCain but switched to Obama. I was pretty sure that he might be your classic Scott Brown voter but found, to my delight, that he is voting for Warren all the way and Obama too and he can’t stand Romney and although he gets most of his news from regular tv and is surrounded by blue collar trogledytes (of which he is one) he actually had apretty damed good grasp of what had been going on for four years. I know the plural of anecdote is not data but I was very pleasantly surprised that this guy, a very traditional, conservative, blue collar guy was voting straight dem ticket.


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    EconWatcher says:

    Those are some nice looking chickens.

    My next-door neighbor also has about a dozen, and they spend a lot of their time over in our yard, mostly raking through our mulch and leaving a mess on our walkways. But I love them all the same.

    I hadn’t realized it until recently, but chickens really are beautiful creatures, and fun to watch. My two-year old boy loves them.

  11. 11
    General Stuck says:

    They butter not call me, or get an ear full. No worry though since I don’t have a land line, or teevee. I did get a mailer yesterday from I guess some tea tard astroturf group dedicated to spreading lies about the ACA.

    On the way back from the mail boxes, I used it for a poop scoop after Charlie did his business. I think he is libertarian, at least with the canned Alpo hash. His only issue.

  12. 12
    Scamp Dog says:

    @Linda Featheringill: I caught it!

  13. 13
    Linda Featheringill says:


    Bravo! For your contractor!

  14. 14
    JGabriel says:

    Why are AFP and the Koch Bros. polling the election?

    Are they looking to determine the best use of their advertising budget? Or looking for the names of people to harass at the polling booth?

    Let us know how it goes tomorrow when you pick up your ballot, Betty.


  15. 15
    General Stuck says:


    Those are some nice looking chickens.

    Too nice looking. Living in a red state with so many republicans looking for love in all the wrong places.

  16. 16

    @JGabriel: It’s hard to spend OCEANS OF UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH. I’d like a crack at it though.

  17. 17
    max says:

    Now for the poll: A volunteer from the Koch-sucker AFP group called me awhile back and asked if I thought President Obama’s policies had made the economy better or worse.

    I only got the AFF (gets hard to keep the acronyms apart) polls twice. None since, darn it. Even worse, it appears that Grover Norquist no longer loves me as the last circular from ATR came like ten days ago. I am sad. {sniff} But that’s OK, I have a new friend! Restore Our Future , Inc. Of course, it’s just like Grover because the flyers say exactly the same dumb BS, but with slightly less loopy/lame graphics.

    Guess I shoulda sent Grover flowers or some shit.

    [‘I feel so… slutty.’]

  18. 18
    Punchy says:

    At least with those chickens, you can get healthcare in Nevada.

  19. 19
    geg6 says:

    @General Stuck:

    You made me choke on my allergy pill, dammit.

  20. 20
    JenJen says:

    Speaking of Early Voting, around 3:00 this afternoon the waiting time in line at the Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Board of Elections was up to two hours. And people waited, patiently.

    I’m not going down there to vote until next week, but I remember fondly in 2008 waiting in that line. It was long, but not two hours long!! What I remember most about it was how much fun it was. It was like waiting in line for a roller coaster, you know?

    These things we’re hearing about the early vote in Ohio are so encouraging. Squeeeeee!

  21. 21
    Lurking Canadian says:

    They will make sure their “likely voter” screen excludes you before they announce their results.

  22. 22
    Donut says:


    Push polling, trying to identify undecideds and tell them a lot of lies.

  23. 23
    Donut says:


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    geg6 says:


    Okay, your internets are in the mail.

    That’s two honest to dog LOLs in one thread. And a short one at that.

  25. 25
    Jewish Steel says:

    Betty Cracker: Poller Skewerer.

  26. 26

    @Punchy: HA! I know Lowden’s campaign director. He still thinks that was a good idea but everyone missed the message because of the evil MSM and mockery.

  27. 27
    Suffern ACE says:

    So I’ve decided that New York is a great place for shopping, but London is a great place for SHOPPING. I need to get back home to the snow hurricane before I decide to wander into one of those stores with bespoke in their descriptions. If the snow hurricane does hit this weekend, I’m prepared with a three day supply of hot cocoa from an exotic land that made perfect sense to buy at the time.

  28. 28
    Redshift says:

    I’ve gotten robo-polled a couple of times by what turned out to be a minor wingnut organization. (I hadn’t heard of them, but when I looked up the name the automated message gave at the end, that’s who it was.) I’ve forgotten the name now. In both cases, it seemed to be straight-up polling about the presidential, senate, and (in one case) the congressional race.

    They don’t always push-poll. Wingnuts sometimes need actual real information to decide how to spend their UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH.

  29. 29
    Hal says:

    I’m still chuckling over Obama’s tonight show clip about Chump. PBO keeps making Chump look like the fool he is.

  30. 30
    Josie says:

    I voted early on the way home from work today (deep South Texas). It was not crowded, but there was a steady flow of voters and about a 20 minute wait. Everything was very calm and orderly, as always. Voters here are used to having only two weeks of early voting and no voting on the weekend before the election date.

  31. 31
    Schlemizel says:

    you should have told then you were not sure, undecided but definitely going to vote. Sure you would have had to endure several calls a day for the next 2 weeks but you could have tied up one of the Koch suckers up about 30 minutes each time. Instead of talking to someone that might actually be convinced.

  32. 32
    Irving says:

    At this point I think we’re all focused on GOTV on both sides – or we should be. Hunting for undecideds at this late date is pointless.

  33. 33
    trollhattan says:

    Imagine the humiliation of losing to Angle. Some campaign.

  34. 34
    David in NY says:

    Did you make her laugh? I always try to. Sometimes I succeed, which confirms my view that they can’t necessarily just hire true believers for the scut-work, but have to employ real people. Fun to take them off script (which they should not do, of course).

    ETA: This is assuming it is a genuine poll, of course. You can always tell.

  35. 35

    @trollhattan: I genuinely like the guy so I don’t rub it in. But, yeah. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. He came out of it unscathed somehow and is on TV all the time in Vegas and Reno offering his expertise.

  36. 36
    Patricia Kayden says:

    “I then said I would be at the polls bright and early to cast my ballot. She wished me a pleasant evening, and I wished her the same.”

    Would love to have heard the cussing she did after she put down the phone. “That Commie, Socialist, Muslim, Kenyan loving slut!”


  37. 37
    JenJen says:

    Oh, is this great or what? From the new Rolling Stone interview:

    Obama: Ayn Rand is for misunderstood teenagers

  38. 38
    Kirbster says:

    I saw Chia heads in both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney versions at Kmart yesterday. Very poor likenesses in my opinion. I think they are intended as gag gifts that will literally make the gift recipients gag.

  39. 39
    Jewish Steel says:

    @JenJen: I can’t think of a more diplomatic way to say, “It’s for imbeciles.”

  40. 40
    BGinCHI says:

    Shorter Betty Cracker:

    Fuck You, AFP!

    Well bless your hearts!

  41. 41

    @JenJen: It’s not cool to “like” Ayn Rand any more. It is still cool to like all of her principles but not call yourself a devotee or objectivist.

  42. 42
    gbear says:

    I got a survey call last week from a woman who didn’t sound very happy with my answers. I should have verified who the poller was. The last question she asked me is if I belong to a union. I was going to lie and say no, but I told the truth. That probably got me listed as a lock-step thug.

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    BGinCHI says:

    If Betty had cattle, they’d be these:


  45. 45
    Realist says:

    PENNSYLVANIA NOW IN PLAY RNC planning Romney/Ryan PA Bus Tour.

    ROMNEY within two points in Mason/Dixon WI poll.

    Is OHIO now irrelevant?

  46. 46


  47. 47
    trollhattan says:

    Mountain Dew in your CapsLock key again, I see.

    Also, too, read ’em & “Meep.”


  48. 48
    chopper says:


    oh, something’s irrelevant alright.

  49. 49
    Realist says:


    Damn straight. I am never going to go away. Cannot wait until election night and the day after to rub your noses in the stinking shit of your messiah’s epic fail.

  50. 50
    Chyron HR says:

    I guess ReaIity Check didn’t get the literal memo from Messiah White Horse decreeing that the Ohio polls need to be UNSKEWED.

  51. 51
    sparrow says:

    @trollhattan: Mountain Dew? Is that what the kids call it these days?

  52. 52
    BGinCHI says:

    Can Romney take Ohio in the spring?

    Is our trolls learning?

    I think the only poll taco is gazing at is in the shower.

  53. 53
    gbear says:

    @Realist: You fool, Obama’s shit doesn’t stink.

  54. 54
    sparrow says:

    @Realist: I just feel sorry for all the women (or men) you’re going to go back to stalking after the election. Creep.

  55. 55
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Realist: Did your previous nym get banned, or did you just change it because it fits your whack-job MO?

  56. 56
    Bostondreams says:

    So. My mom is undergoing treatment for lung cancer, which has spread to her pelvis. She was uninsured because of costs (my brother had a brain tumor years ago and was prohibitively expensive to cover). My small businessman father told me he is grateful for Obamacare, because it will help in the costs, and that it is one of the most important reasons he is voting for him in the battleground of Florida.
    Im terrified for my mom and dad. I’m grateful to my president. And I’m furious that it could all disappear.

  57. 57
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @ranchandsyrup: GOOD LUCK, I’M BEHIND 7 PROXIES!

  58. 58

    @Realist: It is nice to have fantasies. It’s also nice to be a spoof troll.

  59. 59
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Realist: No, but you will be in 12 days. And aside from anticipating Larry Kudlow cry on live teevee on November 7th, not having to put up with your shit will be the the 3rd best thing.

    The first, of course, will be when the President gets re-elected by a smashing EV margin.

  60. 60
    marybellefleur says:

    …”undecided voter (leans Republican).”

  61. 61
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @Bostondreams: best wishes for your mom.

  62. 62
    trollhattan says:

    Need brain bleach, stat!

  63. 63
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Oh, and this has to be the weirdest freakin’ story I’ve read in a long time:

    In one of the most disturbing and unusual arrests involving a police officer, Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took Officer Valle into custody on Wednesday, after they uncovered several of his plots to kidnap, rape, cook and eat women.


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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @PsiFighter37: your link is borked.

  65. 65


    Cannot wait until election night and the day after to rub your noses in the stinking shit of your messiah’s epic fail.

    You do know that the more strident and desperate sounding you get, the funnier it is, right?

  66. 66
    trollhattan says:

    You have my thoughts. My family has experience with lung cancer and I understand a bit of the battle you’re in the midst of. And yes, our “betters” would take affordable care away, far away. Isn’t it expensive enough, already?

  67. 67
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: Ugh, says I can’t edit my comment for some reason. FYWP.

    Let’s try this.

  68. 68

    @Bostondreams: So sorry to hear about that. Sending good thoughts your way.

  69. 69
    trollhattan says:

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:
    Uh, asked and answered? They don’t do irony. Nor ironing.

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    Enhanced Mooching Techniques says:

    @Realist: You’re just going to have to do better than cheery picking outlying polls dude. Heck, one can smell the panic coming out of the Romney camp today. Gods, you conservetards are sounding like we did in 2004.

  71. 71
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @PsiFighter37: Ugh, I think I liked it better when the link was borked.

  72. 72
    Rosie Outlook says:

    Greeks have been reduced to our level–no cash no treatment. Greek doctors are forming Robin Hood groups to treat the sick.

    I was a pollster once. We all hated those damn push polls because the questions got so long and convoluted. “If you knew that candidate Doe supported nun beating, and if you knew he advocated the kicking of cute fluffy puppies, and if you knew that he was a flagrant terpsichorean, and if you knew blah blah blah…”. and on and on till you and the respondent were both lost.

  73. 73
    PsiFighter37 says:

    And to be a shameless link pimper, my fiancee has a petition going for making Election Day a federal holiday. This is her first step into any overt political activism (outside of donating to Planned Parenthood) – so please help support her cause (and it’s a good one) by signing up/Twittering/Facebooking/whatever else young’uns do these days on the interwebs.


  74. 74
    Realist says:


    My previous nyms have all been nuked. I will keep this one until some whiny widdle wiberal whines to the modes and has this nuked as well. I guess they can’t handle the coming defeat of BHO.

  75. 75
    Realist says:

    Remember: undecideds break for the challenger.

  76. 76
    Mark B. says:

    It’s just weird to read posts describing Obama as some sort of ‘messiah’. He’s not, he just a moderate who is a great guy and a fairly effective president. I respect him as a person, but I wish he could have done more to promote progressive policies. The tidal waves of hate that he seems to inspire from the right wing seem to be more than a little overblown, especially since his policies aren’t very different from many of the candidates they have supported. In fact, Obamacare is pretty much identical to Romneycare. But then again, I didn’t understand the hatefest directed at Clinton either.

  77. 77
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Realist: Yeah, we all told ourselves that in 2004, and see how that worked out.

    If you’re resorting to tried-and-failed polling theories like that, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Of course, knowing you, you’ll probably manage to dredge up something from your cavernous post-reality consciousness to make it all seem okay.

  78. 78
    Realist says:

    And in case anyone forgot….Only TWELVE DAYS LEFT until President-Elect Romney!

  79. 79

    I just got some wonderful news. My wife is in the booze biz and by coincidence, November 6th is The First Annual Jameson Day (I already complained about the phrasing). Now I have a better excuse to not live and die with every update. Will be the in the same state of drunkitude that I would be at home, though. Watch out, Pacific Beach.

  80. 80
    trollhattan says:

    @Realist: “It must be very strange to be YOU. A TYPING THING of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, YOU can’t get anyone to notice. YOU ARE like a great painter or musician who is ahead of YOUR time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.”


  81. 81
    Downpuppy says:

    @aimai: Since you live about 2 miles from the Big Pink House, that has to be good. I’ve been wondering whether the Republicans are punking the whole model of Journalism.

  82. 82
    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Realist: When Mittens loses, will you (wo)man up, come here, and admit defeat? Because if you can’t back up all your hot air, then you can go back to the swampland you were originally hibernating in and stay there.

  83. 83
    Linda Featheringill says:



    Scary. Patience and comfort to you and your family. May the time you have together be very, very good.

    And yeah, fuck the bastards!

  84. 84
    Redshift says:

    I know I’m quaking in my boots at the idea of a “Romney/Ryan Bus Tour” of Pennsylvania that includes neither Romney nor Ryan. Clearly, Reince Priebus and Tom Ridge are going to produce a massive voter shift.

  85. 85

    @arguingwithsignposts: I did not know that meme. Thx, that is funny.

  86. 86
    Mnemosyne says:


    Remember: undecideds break for the challenger.

    Actually, no, that’s how Sam Wang made his mistake in 2004 — undecideds break evenly with a slight edge to the incumbent. His model incorrectly predicted that undecideds would break for the challenger, who was Kerry.

    And in case anyone forgot….Only TWELVE DAYS LEFT until President-Elect Romney!

    So do we start with the partridge in a pear tree and work forward, or with the 12 drummers drumming and work backward?

  87. 87
    JPL says:

    @Realist: Whatever.. One of the reasons you got banned under previous names is because you take of the site. Someone here is expressing thoughts about health care and her mom’s illness and all you are worried about is whether or not Romney pulls the plug.

    you are a sick ass… and a bullshitter to boot.

  88. 88
    Enhanced Mooching Techniques says:

    @PsiFighter37:Come Nov 8th the troll will be in here whining about how we Liberals cheated. Remember were dealing with someone who is just to much of a coward to admit to himself he wants Obama to win. In the kind of mind the troll, frozen at age 16 from the sounds of it, it’s always someone else’s fault for any problem he has.

    And BTW: it’s only 13 more days to the start of the 2016 election.

  89. 89
    Chyron HR says:


    ObamaCare is going down, down, dooooooooooooooown, baby. Remember Bush v. Gore? Get ready to relive it, and then some.

    Should we still be getting ready?

  90. 90
    gbear says:


    My previous nyms have all been nuked.

    Anybody who wasn’t a self-obsessed moron would have taken the hint.

  91. 91
    Anoniminous says:


    If Betty had cattle, they’d be these …

    More like these.

  92. 92
    Redshift says:

    @PsiFighter37: I signed a day or two ago. Good luck!

  93. 93
    tulip says:



    for the win.

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    JPL says:

    @Bostondreams: Best wishes and prayers for your family. My brother visited last week and he has stage 4 Esophageal cancer. He was in between treatments and this week’s pet scan showed that the tumors were shrinking. May your mom get good news also.

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    Jewish Steel says:

    Oh, snap! Shit just got Realist.

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    geg6 says:


    Good vibes to your mom and to you and your dad, too. I feel your pain. My mom had breast cancer that spread to her bones and broke her neck before she finally died (which she did on her own terms, I’m happy to say). It’s a crazy roller coaster, dealing with the cancer and its effects, the medical decision making, and the goddam insurance companies. And my mom had Medicare and a good supplemental. I don’t know how others, without those means, manage.

  97. 97
    trollhattan says:


    My wife is in the booze biz

    Lucky, lucky, lucky. You and John McCain could be tyre-swing buds!

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    Enhanced Mooching Techniques says:

    @Realist: And one more thing you don’t get my little blinded by the Right friend. As punchy pointed out, we progresses are ready for a Romney presidency; we have chickens to barter for health care with.

    Do you have chickens Realist? I don’t think so.

  99. 99
    Redshift says:

    @Bostondreams: Sorry to hear that, I hope things get better. I have a good friend whose sister had breast cancer, and then a recurrence that spread to her spine. Her only coverage was Medicaid, but so far, she’s hanging in there.

  100. 100
    Redshift says:

    @Enhanced Mooching Techniques: Hah! No chickens, and it calls itself a realist…

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    Bostondreams says:

    Thank you all. Praying for a good result. And grateful for what support my mom can get through Obamacare.
    These morons who screech about what a joy it would be to see it gone, I pray you get the fate you deserve. Scuzzes.
    I’m sorry, it’s what I feel right now. Just so angry and scared.

  102. 102
    Maude says:

    @Mark B.:
    Yeah, I guess DADT isn’t a progressive policy.
    Just think back to GW Bush for a minute.
    Obama is black.
    Clinton is a Democrat.

  103. 103
    fuckwit says:

    Anyone notice how much the troll resembles one of those guys who spends 20 minutes before you play 1-on-1 telling you how much he’s going to kick your ass, before you actually play and you completely school him?

  104. 104
    geg6 says:


    Yeah, that’s what I heard the big bus tour was, too. Fucking hilarious. Half the electorate here doesn’t remember who Tom Ridge is (or if they do, he’s the guy with the ridiculous terror alert color chart) and NO ONE knows or gives a shit who Obvious Anagram is.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Enhanced Mooching Techniques:
    In Soviet Romneystan, chickens have you.

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    @trollhattan: HA! It has definite perks and downsides. My wife is several rungs down the corporate ladder not part of a ruling family of the booze empire. I’m not sure how well I’d do in physical proximity to JohnnyMac. Fuck you McCain for accepting Mourdock’s non-apology apology on behalf of all women today.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Enhanced Mooching Techniques: Yeah, can’t wait for that. Think 2008 was a long primary cycle? People are going to immediately begin speculating about 2016 right away…ugh. And given presidential primaries basically start after midterms, it’s going to be a hell of a long cycle (particularly since, like in 2008, the incumbent VP is unlikely to run for the top spot).

  108. 108
    Susanne says:

    You guys need better trolls; this one is barely competent, but mildly amusing.

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    trollhattan says:

    Alas, my four-square days are well behind me.

  110. 110
    YellowJournalism says:

    @Mnemosyne: Ahem:

    On the first day of RomneyFest, Republicans gave to me…Ann Romney on a shopping spree.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Anoniminous: I’m always amazed at the shit you can find on the intertubes.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Redshift: Is that actually happening? If so, it’s hilarious because no one in PA will give a shit about Tom Ridge anymore (what does he do now? I would imagine he’s probably grifting like all good GOPers do), and that fucktard who the wise old folks in the GOP thought was better than Michael Steele (low bar to clear, granted) is known to nobody.

    It’ll probably resemble what happened earlier this summer when the Romney campaign used to send a bus to the middle of Bumblefuck and call it a rally…and no one showed up. No one will care.

    That said, in PA, I really do wish Bob Casey had his shit more together. He coasted in 2006 because he knew everyone hated Santorum – and yes, the guy he’s running against this time is a pure Teabagger clown – but he’s got to be a better statewide campaigner going forward. He ain’t always going to get off this easy. There’s a reason Fast Eddie beat him in the 2002 primaries – Casey didn’t hustle hard enough and figured the family name would get him through.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    You are mistaken, sir. What she would have is miniature cows. Probably Jerseys, for the milk.

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    trollhattan says:

    I first became aware of Cindy McCain during the 2000 campaign, and my really immature side (mathmatically, well over half) immediately thought, “Wow, I’d have done anything to meet a hot blonde beer heiress in college!” Bless John McCain’s little heart for not letting being married get in the way of living every frat boy’s dream.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @PsiFighter37: McCain pulled this type of shit in Pennsylvania late in the ’08 election. They’re trying to convey “momentum”. Some idiots in the press are still pushing Mitt-mentum, but they’re starting to get laughed at now.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Good luck to your mom. My father-in-law was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor and given 6 months to live, but thanks to modern chemotherapy we were able to have two good years with him before he passed away this past July.

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    muddy says:

    @Mnemosyne: A dog I used to have was so big that he had to wear one of those “calf cozies” instead of a dog coat.

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    Quarks says:

    @YellowJournalism: On the second day of RomneyFest, politicians gave to me, Two Romney lies, and Ann Romney on a shopping spree.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Susanne: We’ve had this one for a while. It’s about as tenacious, and as welcome, as a bedbug infestation.

  120. 120
    nellcote says:

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney is headlining a fundraiser for Mitt Romney today at Dallas Love Field.

    The GOP presidential candidate’s son will also appear at tonight’s private event, to be held at the Frontiers of Flight Museum at Love Field.

    Also scheduled to appear are national GOP Chairman Reince Priebus, Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer and political pundit Glenn Beck.

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    Maude says:

    There isn’t an ounce of sanity in that group.

  122. 122
    dmsilev says:

    Heh. Obama, giving an interview to Rolling Stone:

    Have you ever read Ayn Rand?
    What do you think Paul Ryan’s obsession with her work would mean if he were vice president?
    Well, you’d have to ask Paul Ryan what that means to him. Ayn Rand is one of those things that a lot of us, when we were 17 or 18 and feeling misunderstood, we’d pick up. Then, as we get older, we realize that a world in which we’re only thinking about ourselves and not thinking about anybody else, in which we’re considering the entire project of developing ourselves as more important than our relationships to other people and making sure that everybody else has opportunity – that that’s a pretty narrow vision. It’s not one that, I think, describes what’s best in America. Unfortunately, it does seem as if sometimes that vision of a “you’re on your own” society has consumed a big chunk of the Republican Party.

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    J. says:

    Every time I see one of your chicken picture posts, I hear this.

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    @trollhattan: That made me guffaw! My mature self realizes that my college self would have fucked up that sort of scenario in a hurry.
    Sorry if I’m mistaken, but I recall that you live in LJ? If you want to brave PB on that night, meet up with us.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @dmsilev: It’s actually a pretty solid interview – read the whole thing before I left work. Most of the attention will go to Obama calling Romney a bullshitter (but hey, that’s exactly what he is – a bullshit artist), but the rest of it is pretty good as well. A lot of it hits stump speech lines, but stuff about Ayn Rand is interesting because it reveals a more thoughtful side of the president that usually doesn’t get to come out on the stump.

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    Realist says:

    The dirty little secret that’s not being reported in the MSM is that Pennsylvania and Michigan are both slowly but surely coming into play, moving into the Romney column.

    Hint: if either Pennsylvania or Michigan goes for Romney, then OHIO IS IRRELEVANT. Especially if they come along with Wisconsin……

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    Rosie Outlook says:

    A good troll is entertaining in a perverse way. A bad one is–well, Realist. Please ban him, if for no other reason than his callousness towards cancer victims.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Realist: You have no facts to back up your shit outside of some seriously whacked-out polls put out my pop-up GOP pollsters. Shut the fuck up until you have real evidence. And no, your gut doesn’t count, even though that’s how your idiot idol Dubya ran things.

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    Chyron HR says:


    DADT will safely, securely remain the law of the land.

    But the MSM isn’t reporting it, right?

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    dmsilev says:

    @PsiFighter37: Yeah, it’s definitely worth reading. Sort a long-form version of the “why I should have a second term” ad, in a much more thoughtful setting.

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    so…. the evul MSM is pushing the mittmentum angle but they don’t want to report that there is even more mittmentum in PA and MI. got it.
    Self-refutation is a DougJ hallmark.

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    Realist says:

    So…Mason-Dixon is a “popup” GOP pollster?

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    dmsilev says:

    Pollster on PA: Obama up by 6 points
    Pollster on MI: Obama up by 8 points

    (not news to you of course, but provided for the purposes of idiot-slapping)

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    Realist says:


    Bush had our unemployment rate at 5% with a quarter of the deficit your hero is now running.

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    Realist says:


    How’s Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Colorado doing?

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    JPL says:

    @Realist: Once again you are touting your guy who wants to pull the plug on insurance plans and pull the plug on real Americans. You are a sick ass and a bullshitter.

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    Chyron HR says:

    When Romney loses, do you think ReaIity Check will try murdering infidels and stealing their children? That is what Mormon cultists do for fun, after all.

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    JPL says:

    don’t feed the trolls…feed the chickens…don’t feed the trolls…feed the chickens…don’t feed the trolls…feed betty’s chickens…

    Sorry, just have to sometime remind myself…..

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    Realist says:


    Mitt Romney wants every American to have affordable, private health insurance. We can accomplish this through limiting junk lawsuits which force doctors to raise costs by practicing defensive medicine, providing measures for tax-free healthcare saving accounts, and providing incentives to states to institute their own healthcare plans which fit the needs and concerns of their own states rather than a one-size-fits-all big government, federal solution.

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    JoyfulA says:

    @Bostondreams: My prayers are with you and your family, too, that she gets the best care and that it works, and that the leftover bills don’t amount to much.

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    Joel says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: He’s trying to get around the Pie/Troll filters. I just updated mine. I recommend all do the same. For those with Chrome, use the Tampermonkey extension “pointlesscommentthrasher”. I don’t have the link, but I found it in a thread here from two days ago.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @Realist: Check out the forecast at 538, and the good guys (aka not your team) is up in all those states except for Florida – and the polls are moving our way in that state. You and your cherry-picking ways can go suck it, and suck it hard.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Realist: From the same dataset, lean Obama, lean Romney, toss-up, and toss-up. So what? Romney can take all 4 of those and still lose given that Ohio is slipping away from him as is Nevada.

    Totaling states which the Pollster model rates as Obama ahead with probability 90% or higher gives 271 EV, which doesn’t even count the places where’s there’s an 80% or so chance of Obama leading.

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    General Stuck says:


    Maybe they’ll pile in the Limos and take a drive around Dealey Plaza

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    gbear says:

    @fuckwit: Or Gene Simmons:

    In a later Fresh Air interview, satirist and future United States Senator Al Franken related to Terry Gross his own encounter with Gene Simmons. According to Franken, he was awaiting a racquetball partner at a club when Simmons, whom Franken had not recognized, challenged him to a match, stating “I’ll kick your ass”, only to suffer an embarrassing loss to Franken. Simmons responded by calling for another match, and when Franken indicated that since his racquetball partner had arrived, he couldn’t play Simmons again, Simmons responded by making loud “boc, boc, boc” chicken sounds. Franken then offered to play Simmons with $500 at stake, at which point Simmons walked away.

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    Realist says:


    VIRGINIA lean Obama? ROFL!

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    General Stuck says:


    Rasmussen makes the poll fodder, to blast you nitwits out the clown cannon.

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    Realist says:

    Virginia is pretty much locked up for Romney. The defense sequestrations and Obambi’s dissing of our navy his last debate have locked-up VA for romney.

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    JoyfulA says:

    @PsiFighter37: Tom Ridge deregulated utility companies, which will not get crowds cheering as the Romney-Ryan bus rolls by. I wonder if the bus will be honking all the way.

    Casey lost the governor primary because Fast Eddie is pro choice and a weekly Eagles football commentator.

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    dmsilev says:

    Virginia polling. Out of the ten polls released in the last week or so, Obama leads in 6 of them, including 3 out of the most recent 5. And one of the two “Romney leads” polls is from Rasmussen.

    Can we at least get trolls that make a vague pretense of acknowledging reality?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Mitt Romney wants every American to have affordable, private health insurance.

    I want a unicorn that farts rainbows, but somehow the free market hasn’t managed to come up with one of those yet, either.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @dmsilev: RCP just moved NC back to tossup.

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    Michael says:

    @Realist: Obama has lead in 3 of the last 5 and 6 of the last 10 polls in Virginia.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Hill Dweller: Hush, you. Our troll has just gone to have his nappy, and it’d be a shame to wake him.

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    Mark B. says:

    @Maude: Don’t misunderstand me. I like Obama, and I think he’s done a good job as president, and he’s a million times better than the alternative. I just wanted bigger and better change. But I understand he’s surrounded by the ankle-biter republicans, so it’s a little hard to move sometimes.

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    JPL says:

    @Realist: I loved the tax free health savings accounts but I also understood that if you have some money and are healthy they are great. Maybe you don’t really understand how they work. Truth be known, my husband’s cancer dr. hated them.. Try to figure out how much you need to put aside.. Patients were going in and asking how much should I put aside… Health care doesn’t work that way
    It’s a great plan for Mitt though.. You really will cheer if he pulls the plug.

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    JPL says:

    @Realist: You’d fit right in on the Rape nuts blog though since you seem to think that’s okay in your world also, too.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mark B.:

    But I understand he’s surrounded by the ankle-biter republicans, so it’s a little hard to move sometimes.

    Not to mention the ankle-biter Democrats, also known as the Blue Dogs. A lot of people vastly underestimate how much intra-party negotiation had to be done to get things like PPACA passed. Most of the changes that were made were done to pacify conservative Democrats, not Republicans.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    I got the same Americans for Prosperity poll last week, but he didn’t go past the first question. I was too annoyed by the interruption to play with him, and when I said “better”, he thanked me and hung up.

    Romney is outsourcing GOTV to AFP and the local party here. And the RNC is paying for the phone canvassing.

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    SuzieC says:

    Betty, I was also polled today by “Autumn”, a volunteer for Americans for Prosperity. After reciting a list of RW talking pouints showing how Obama has trashed the economy, she said she wanted my opinion as to whether Obama’s policies had helped or hurt the economy. I answered loudly “helped.” In a rather hostile tone, she said “really? Would you care to explain why?” I replied “No. I know who your organization is and I do not care to talk to you.”

    I found it quite interesting. We are in the epicenter (Columbus, Oh.) and I said to my husband that they must feel that their barrages of ads are not working. Also, again I am amazed that they do nothing to microtarget their voters. We are longtime Dem contributors and activists. Why are they even calling us?

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    chopper says:

    foreign-policy voters in VA are totes gonna break for mittens after his performance in the 3rd debate. bookmark it, libs!

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    Realist says:


    I refuse to post on ABL posts because she automatically nukes me it seems.

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    gogol's wife says:

    Another reason to love ABL.

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    JPL says:

    @Realist: Thank god…

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    quannlace says:

    Oh for….

    In looking up what day they’ll be showing ‘It’s The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown.”, saw a few Google listings of parents demanding the show should be retired cause of its ‘continuous teasing and bullying.” And “”The show is riddled with the kids calling each other stupid, dumb, and blockheads,

    I first saw the show when I was 11, and it was hardly a news flash that we kids spend a lot of time bickering and calling each other names. Not exactly the kind of bullying we have these days.
    I sometimes despair of my fellow grown-ups.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Also, again I am amazed that they do nothing to microtarget their voters. We are longtime Dem contributors and activists. Why are they even calling us?

    Because they know they don’t have enough voters to win and are hoping to flip a few disgruntled Democrats to squeak past the finish line, or at least make you discouraged about voting.

    To me, the fact that they’ve had to expand their list that much doesn’t say much for how well they’re doing with their usual coterie.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    I work with a guy who is in a politically mixed marriage. He’s a passionate Dem who told me today that he answers calls from numbers he doesn’t recognize with “I am not voting for Romney.”

    Last week, his life-long Republican wife brought home a yard sign. “Protect women’s health. Vote Democratic.”

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    trollhattan says:


    Thanks, appreciate the invite! But I live in our festive state capital with, sadly, nary a car elevator in sight. I have, however, had a few misadventures in PB and I suspect dwelling here extends my lifespan some.

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    @trollhattan: My wife is a Fairy Oaks person. We’ve had some good old times up there. Gov. Moonbeam’s loft certainly has no car elevator.
    PB is the land of bad decisions. I rarely get down that way any more so looking forward to it.

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    Lojasmo says:

    Open thread? One of my kid’s friends just stole all my oregon primo. and my rolling papers. Fuckers.

    ETA at least six months of my modest use (1/2 oz)

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    japa21 says:

    Yeah, I got the same ca gave the same answers, and then I was asked if I wanted some information on AFP sent to me. I said, “Hell no, I hate that outfit.” She said, well thank you anyway.

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    @Lojasmo: That blows! Tricky situation, though.

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    Lojasmo says:


    Meh. Petty Mis. in Minnesota, and his parents were flower children who smoked weed and dropped acid. I could make his life hell. I consider it water under the bridge and a lesson learned (about this particular kid, and my habits about concealment)

    Oh well.

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    @Lojasmo: Prolly the prudent course to take. Honestly, it takes me back to some ill advised searches of others’ homes when I was a young miscreant. We found a shoe box full of roaches once and it was a joyous day indeed. That kid is damn lucky you have high standards.

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    Punchy says:

    Whenever they call me I try to use up as much time as possible. Waste their time & money. Give them as many contradictory answers as possible.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Well, another nym bites the pie, Surrealist.

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