Open Thread

Just got off the phone with Tammy and Brian, and it looks like we are all spending the week of Thanksgiving at the condo in Ft. Lauderdale.

This coming out of the shell shit has perks. Y’all will be freezing while I am on a beach.

Yeah. That’s how I roll.

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    Tams says:

    OMGsh! It’s Balloon Juice official. This is going to be the best trip EVER!!! I cannot wait!

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    Violet says:

    I’ll probably have the air conditioning on, as usual.

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    Cain says:

    is ABL coming?

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    amk says:


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    Violet says:

    @Tams: Your excitement made me smile. Hope you have a great time.

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    Anya says:

    Oh. I am so happy for you. What about the children?

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    SIA says:

    Wow you have emerged, big time. A real vacation. With PEOPLE.

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    eemom says:

    Another 153 Open Threads tonight or it didn’t happen.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    If Obama loses, there won’t BE a Fort Lauderdale!

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    Angela says:

    Yeah. Sounds like fun.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Freakin’ cold here the past couple days. We go to Tampa at the end of the month and looking forward to it.

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    Todd says:

    You are allowed to forget long pants there. Which means you’ll show up with 2 pairs of overalls, one canvas coverall and a pair of jeans.

    With long underwear.

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    Tractarian says:

    The US Anti-Doping Agency released its evidence against Lance Armstrong today. The affidavits from ex-teammates are damning. Among the revelations, is that Lance threatened and intimidated Tyler Hamilton after learning that Hamilton had been contacted by federal agents:

    120. On June 11, 2011, I traveled to Aspen, Colorado to attend an event organized by Outside magazine to which I had been invited. Before traveling to Aspen I had actually checked Lance’s schedule online just to confirm that he was not going to be in town and found that he was supposed to be at an event in Tennessee.
    121. Part of the Outside magazine event in Aspen involved an afternoon bike ride. After the ride a group of us went to the restaurant Cache Cache for dinner.
    122. During dinner that evening I got up from [the] dinner table and walked to the back of the restaurant to use the facilities.
    123. I was returning to our table when a hand reached out and forcibly stopped me. It was Lance and all of a sudden he was in my face, saying sarcastically, Hey Tyler, how’s it going? In comments punctuated with expletives, Lance asked, “How much did 60 Minutes pay you? How much are they fucking paying you?
    124. He said, “When you’re on the witness stand, we are going to fucking tear you apart. You are going to look like a fucking idiot.” Lance continued, “I’m going to make your life a living . . . fucking . . . hell.”

    Crazy stuff.

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    jurassicpork says:

    This will be the scariest Halloween ever. Details here.

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    Valdivia says:

    sounds like loads of fun John. Something about the beach in November…

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    Culture of Truth says:

    Jole Cole’s memoir:

    The Perks Of Not Being A Wallflower

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    jharp says:

    I could not envy you less.

    Fuck Florida. And I don’t give a shit about the beach either.

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    Brian S says:

    Have a meal and some beer at Brother Tucker’s just up the road in Pompano Beach. Their soup is killer.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    Have fun in Ft. Lauderdale, JC. The snowbirds from Canada should be starting their winter migration by that point. You’ll see signs around places in English and French. There’s a touristy boardwalk area with food stands and restaurants that’s really neat — not upscale but good food, good place for an evening out. And again, with French signage. (I forget the name of boardwalk but my friends took me there on one of my trips to South Florida.)

    I’m envious. I liked South Florida when my friends lived in Boca Raton and I took trains to Miami and Ft. Lauderdale for day trips. (Also went to Ft. Lauderdale for a couple of science fiction conventions.)

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    Redshift says:

    Y’all will be freezing while I am on a beach.

    Hah! Thanks to global warming, it’ll probably be in the 70s here.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    You bringing Lily, Rosie, and the Morkies along, too?

    Don’t envy you Florida — I had to be in Miami once in November, and “85 degrees, 85% humidity” is not my favorite weather — but I’m glad you’re going to be spending time with your friends!

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    Culture of Truth says:

    Don’t touch the manatees

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    Higgs Boson's Mate says:

    Good to see you getting out and about, Mr. Cole. Enjoy!

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    Culture of Truth says:

    Beware the buccaneers. That place can be a little rough.

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    lacp says:

    I’m hoping to be in Sarasota for Christmas (will know in a week or so). Have fun down there….you may not want to come back.

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    SectionH says:

    Go John! Have a wonderful time! Just be careful. I’m superstitious about some things, and I srsly try to avoid weather bragging, because it will always come back to bite me sometime. YMMV of course.

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    KG says:

    Y’all will be freezing while I am on a beach.

    I live in Southern California, if by “freezing” you mean “enjoying another day of blue skies and a temperature in the mid-60s to low=70s”, then yeah, I’ll be “freezing”

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    PaulW says:

    Yeah, well the joke’s on you. Traffic in Broward County is gonna suck with snowbirds driving everywhere at 8 MPH.

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    NotMax says:

    So Mitt last week gave a decent audition for the part of Harold Hill in The Music Man: antic, overbearing and fast-talking whatever untruths and half-truths he deemed would advance his agenda with his audience.

    At this point, I’m fully expecting Ryan to do a turn as J. Pierrepont Finch in How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying tomorrow.

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    PaulW says:

    @Culture of Truth:

    Beware the buccaneers. That place can be a little rough

    That’s Tampa. Ft. Lauderdale is home to non-existent pro hockey at the moment…

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    Mike Goetz says:

    NBC/Marist polls coming tomorrow will show:

    Virginia: 48/47 Romney over Obama
    Florida: 48/47 Obama over Romney
    Ohio: 51/45 Obama over Romney

    Likely voters, taken Oct. 7-9

    Not bad.

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    PaulW says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    If Obama loses, there won’t BE a Fort Lauderdale!

    Possibly true. Romney and the GOP will most likely outsource all of Florida to South America.

    Damn you, Bugs Bunny, for their inspiration…

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    dance around in your bones says:

    Watch out for those palmetto bugs. Other than that, have fun. Nice to see you come out of your shell!

    Not that there’s anything wrong with The Shell.

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    some guy says:

    those of usl iving here in thee Sunshine State won’t be freezing our asses off.

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    PaulW says:

    @Mike Goetz:

    NBC/Marist polls coming tomorrow will show:
    Virginia: 48/47 Romney over Obama
    Florida: 48/47 Obama over Romney
    Ohio: 51/45 Obama over Romney

    …why the hell is con artist Romney still getting 45-47 percent of likely voters? Haven’t y’all learned yet that Mitt will say ANYTHING in such pandering, deceitful ways that would insult the intelligence of everyone actually paying attention?!

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    ShadeTail says:

    Y’all will be freezing while I am on a beach.

    Depends on your point of reference for “freezing”. For example, in Southern California where I am, the rocks won’t be melting. So it’s definitely below the freezing point of lava.

    BTW, watch out for dipshits who decide to “stand their ground”.

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    SectionH says:


    I refrained from pointing that out, because I really really do not like to tempt the weather ghods. But I did more or less think the same thing,

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    ruemara says:

    I’ll be in NorCal, in the non-freezing section. shut up.

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    jwb says:

    @PaulW: If Romney keeps his base enthused, his floor is in the 45-47% range. That floor only collapses if the turnout of his voters is depressed. That’s one reason that freaking out is about the worst thing our side can do, since it ramps up the enthusiasm of the other side, who still basically don’t like their guy and are starting to turn on him again as he attempts to occupy the middle ground and sounds like he doesn’t know what the fuck he believes on abortion, etc. No matter what happens at the debate tomorrow night, I just hope our side remembers to hammer the right guy when it’s done.

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    some guy says:

    can anyone explain to me what the deal is with eeMoron’s passsive-aggressive schtick?

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @Mike Goetz:Virginia:

    48/47 Romney over Obama
    Florida: 48/47 Obama over Romney
    Ohio: 51/45 Obama over Romney

    With the exception of the Virginia poll, they don’t look all that different than the pre-debate polls.

    Those numbers are a snapshot of what is hopefully Obama’s worst week of the campaign. If he has a solid debate, and repeatedly hammers Willard’s lying from now until the election, I think he can gain a bit more breathing room in VA and FL.

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    Mike Goetz says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    My thought exactly. For a nadir, these numbers are not scrotem-tightening.

    Romney getting jerked around on abortion today probably ends the “Moderate Mitt” ruse too.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Sandy Levinson can stick his theories about the anti-democratic Electoral College where the sun don’t shine. The Electoral College is going to save the country next month.

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    seaboogie says:

    @some guy: Off her meds?

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    Mike Goetz says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    And oh by the way, NBC’s headline for the write-up of these polls?

    “Romney closes gap in key swing states”. Christ.

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    amk says:


    I just hope our side remembers to hammer the right guy when it’s done.

    Ha. Wishful thinking.

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    KG says:

    @SectionH: it’s been a few years, but we have had a couple of rainy mornings, those were always the best for football

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    KG says:

    oh, in case no one has noticed it, the google images search for “completely wrong” is rather priceless… saw it on Sully a little bit ago

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    amk says:

    @Mike Goetz: The money quote

    One factor that may have pulled the party ID more heavily toward Democrats in this poll was early voting. One-in-five respondents (18 percent) said they have already voted, and, of those, almost two-thirds (63 percent) said they voted for Obama.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @Mike Goetz: I’m hoping Willard shamelessly using a dead SEAL to help his campaign will get more national attention. Maddow had a clip of him saying the SEAL running back to help the ambassador was analogous to him coming to rescue of the country. He really is a piece of shit.

    It appears the House wingnuts exposed classified CIA operations in Libya while trying to attack Obama. That should get more attention.

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    On Rachel Maddow tonight, she played video of Romney talking about his meeting with Glen Doherty , the Navy SEAL who lost his life in the attack on the consulate in Lybia. Then she played an audio of Mr Doherty’s friend, who was there, that makes it pretty plain that Romney’s story is completely made-up bullshit. And then Mr Doherty’s mother condemned Romney and his use of her late son in very strong terms.

    Can you imagine if a Democrat did anything like that? It would be the only story for 72 hours.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @Mike Goetz: I think they had Obama up 2 in FL before the debate. Virginia is the only place Willard closed the gap, but NBC sucks, so it isn’t surprising.

    Again, I’m hoping this is Obama’s low point.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @James E. Powell: The wingnuts attacked Obama for talking about the OBL mission too much. If he had told this bullshit story, they’d try to impeach him for it.

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    Mike Goetz says:

    @Hill Dweller:

    I can’t see things getting worse. The backlash to the debate hysteria is starting, and a lot of Dems seem to be somewhat contritely regaining their balance. I think we are ready to put this foolishness behind us.

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    Mike Goetz says:

    And FWIW, Detroit News has Obama up 49-42 in Michigan.

    Tomorrow might be an up day for us (pending Quinnipiac).

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    Oakland Athletics, FUCK YES!

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    The Dangerman says:


    The US Anti-Doping Agency released its evidence against Lance Armstrong today … Crazy stuff.

    Did you happen to catch the ESPN documentary on Ben Johnson? No doubt he was using (he admitted it), but it looks like his post-race drink at the 88 games may have been spiked from someone affiliated with the Carl Lewis camp. Lewis was probably also using, probably from before 84, but was smart enough not to get caught.

    I love sports, but there is so much cheating … I saw things at a P-12 school that would shock you (it wasn’t USC, which shouldn’t shock anyone). It’s really rather sad all around.

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    Hill Dweller says:

    @Mike Goetz: The Detroit News also has an article on Willard’s camp saying they don’t need Michigan to win the election. I think they’ve already given up on PA and MI.

    I can’t see this renewed push in Ohio working out for Willard.

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    TexasMango says:

    @Hill Dweller: Tim Kaine is still beating the Macaca guy. My money is still on Obama winning VA.

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    jharp says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    Can’t agree with you but an American Leaguer all the way. Cleveland Indians and all.

    Yankees game pissed me off too.

    Did dig on the Reds losing to be one away from being swept at home though.

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    TexasMango says:

    @Hill Dweller: If he were smart he’d pull out of OH and put those resources in VA, NC and FL. His problem with OH is that people are already voting and Obama’s lead was too big for him to seriously cut into. If they stay in OH that means that they have figured that they can’t win without it, which is good for our side.

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    The Dangerman says:


    My money is still on Obama winning VA.

    I assume the polling is a binary (BO or MR)…

    …but isn’t Goode on the ticket in VA? A little ratfucking payback for Nader would be sweet.

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    @jharp: There isn’t a team in professional sports in North America I loathe more than the Yankees, so that game ticked me off too.

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    TexasMango says:

    @The Dangerman: Last poll I saw that included Goode, he took from MR. That was a while ago so I’m not sure now.

    Maybe someone from VA could tell us what’s going on.

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    gwangung says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: Um, sorry, but I’m (tepidly) rooting for the Yankees this year because of Ichiro.

    Please don’t stone me.

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    Yutsano says:

    @gwangung: You may just be dead to me…

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    andrewtna says:

    You should really go to Greek Islands while you’re around. Skip dessert and go to Kilwins.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @gwangung: Knowing that Ichiro is on that team is like hearing the nice boy you broke up with left you for a stuck-up mean girl.

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    Yutsano says:

    @YellowJournalism: What else can one expect from a Husky after all? :)

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @gwangung: I have a big shiny pile of rocks here! Who’s up for some stoning?? Yankees SUCK! [/ red sox fan]

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @Yutsano: Oh, shit. Disowned!

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    gwangung says:

    Aw, come on, don’t insult me. You know I’m a stuck up Snodfart alum….

    eep! Whoop! Waughhh—that was a close–THUNK!

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    Yutsano says:

    @gwangung: You do have that redeeming quality this is true. At least until I get my CPA cert from Cal (if all goes well this year) then there might be issues. :)

    @YellowJournalism: I’m from a blended family. Thanksgiving will be entertaining as my aunt the UW trained doctor will be there. At least Apple Cup is in Pullman this year.

    PS: How was your Turkey Day?

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    max says:

    @TexasMango: Maybe someone from VA could tell us what’s going on.

    Hard to say. Here, Obama had the jump (if you count yard signs) prior to early September, and then it looks like Romney pushed out his yard signs and had the advantage (locally) in an area where McCain won fairly big. Thing is, the signage and stickers are not what they were four year ago.

    My sense is that VA is very much a state with a lot of undecideds – older people who want that Social Security and Medicare and who want to keep their jobs, so Moderate Mitt, Douchebag-at-large was fairly appealing, particularly when they’re queuing up the advertising B-52’s. That said, I don’t see any reason for it to stick.

    Near as I can tell, the sequence went: Mitt lies a lot, Obama sounds tired, so the R’s are happy to that Mitt showed that (you know), and the upper-crust D’s decided to take up writing angst poetry, so the rank and file D’s were somewhat disheartened, and then the polls piled on, and in places where there isn’t much advertising, Mitt got a bounce. In the swing states, not so much, but enough to move the needle a little, particularly in graycoat land.

    All that goes away tomorrow, because we’ll have a new narrative to replace ‘slit my wrists’/’gloat idiotically’, regardless of who gets declared the victor.

    I think the upshot here, is that in VA, Mitt’s actual economic uh, ‘program’ such as it is, is even less popular than blackitude. If something Obama did himself hurt him in the debate, it was with all the deficit-reduction Social Security crap.

    It would be good to pin Ryan on his voucher system.

    [‘Things go up, and then they go down again, but whatever happens, Mitt Romney is still a jackass douchebag.’]

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    gwangung says:

    @Yutsano: Aw man, a Cal weenie?? I expected better of you, man…

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Which part is that? We’ve been doing work with some folks in San Francisco and they told us back in June that they had had to break out their winter coats for their morning commutes.

    Of course, that’s the claim made by the most famous quote Mark Twain never said.

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    A says:

    I used to have a friend named Tammy.

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    John, Thanksgiving here in South Florida is nice; the weather should be settled into the dry season, which means 70’s and 80’s with a touch of humidity and a breeze to keep it at bay.

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    Arclite says:

    This coming out of the shell shit has perks. Y’all will be freezing while I am on a beach.

    Y’know what else has its perks? Livin’ on da island. So, enjoy dude! What we get to year ’round. (even though we pay through the nose for it)

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    A says:

    I used to have a friend named Tammy.

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    Randy P says:

    @some guy: Very clever of you to be all passive-aggressive with posting that.

    Here’s a website just for you.

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    raven says:

    I’ll be on the Emerald Coast catching big fucking fish!

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    Ronzoni Rigatoni says:

    Ha! Screw those polls. Ol’ Mom and I just voted straight Dem here in sunny FL. Absentee ballots are great. Wish I had more of ’em.

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    PreservedKillick says:

    There’s a touristy boardwalk area with food stands and restaurants that’s really neat—not upscale but good food, good place for an evening out

    That’s probably Hollywood Beach you are referring to – and it is a lot of fun in a laid back kind of way.

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    YellowJournalism says:

    @Yutsano: Sorry, had to head to bed last night. My Canadian turkey day was quiet. Hubby and I made dinner together for our boys, and we spent the evening relaxing as a family.

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    Denali says:

    Florida sounds like a plan for turkey day! Enjoy the beach. I like Delray Beach – just north of Fort Lauderdale and less crowded.

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