But the days grow short when you reach September

Romney just went under 20% in Nate Silver’s election forecast and Mitt’s saying stupid things about how we’re in the early stages of the race.

I’ve been wondering how conservatives react if, as seems likely, all of the following thing happen: (a) Obama wins, (b) Obama wins by a margin that is consistent with what the biased librul media polls were showing, and (c) Obama wins by close to the exact amount that Sam Wang and Nate Silver predict he will the day before the election.

Will conservatives claim that ACORN worked hand-in-hand with the librul media and prognosticators to make sure that Obama won by the exact amount that prognosticators predicted?

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  1. 1
    LGRooney says:

    It cannot fail, it can only be failed. Obviously, they should have known better than to elect a moderate who instituted socialist health care in the state of Taxachusetts AND someone who is a draft dodger AND not Protestant!

    All of the above…

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    superfly says:


    This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Long, Convoluted Questions (to paraphrase Atrios)

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    C.J. says:

    Yes. SATSQ. Every Dem president is illegitimate, just the way of our center-right nation.

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    Rex Everything says:

    I’ve always gone with (1), (2), and (3) on Balloon Juice because if you do a, b, c it turns your c into a (c).

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    Pooh says:

    Superfly is correct. SATSQ in effect here.

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    Brian R. says:

    And then (d) the GOP will insist that the only answer is to double down on the right-wing nuttery.

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    Bill in Section 147 says:

    This thing you posit is not insane enough to reflect the actual claims that conservatives will make. I think you need to turn your amplifier to 11.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Defense Mechanisms: Denial

    Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. While this may save us from anxiety or pain, denial also requires a substantial investment of energy. Because of this, other defenses are also used to keep these unacceptable feelings from consciousness.

    And Bob Altemeyer’s – The Authoritarians

    The Authoritarians enables me to give you the major reason why you might want to do so too. “It ties things together for me,” people have said, “You can see how so many things all fit together.” “It explains the things about conservatives that didn’t make any sense to me,” others have commented. And the one that always brings a smile to my face, “Now at last I understand my brother-in-law” (or grandmother, uncle, woman in my car pool, Congressman, etc.).

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    Joel says:

    Question about the political markets:

    With Intrade trading at ~75 for Obama, and the Iowa Electronic Markets trading at ~79, couldn’t someone finance an Obama “long” position on Intrade with a substantial “short” position on IEM? What would block that kind of hedge?

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    Dennis SGMM says:

    You forgot to mention the Machiavellian machinations of sinister George Soros.

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    Michael G says:

    It is also quite fun to read that Nate Silver’s “Nowcast” has a 2.2% chance of Romney winning.

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    MikeJ says:

    I’ve got my beret all ready to be a New Black Panther. Other than being a white guy computer geek and living in a state that is entirely vote by mail I don’t see how my campaign of intimidating Republicans can fail.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Rex Everything:

    I try to remember to use square brackets, viz.: [a], [b], [c]. Learned this trick while writing political analyses, where (D) offers no problems but ( R ) turns into (R). Using [D] and [R] cuts out a lot of aggravation.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    One should also note that in the Now-cast, R-Money is at under 3%(!) chance of winning. I really hope that we can pull out North Carolina again, but given the way the swing state polls are trending, I feel like Obama’s going to absolutely roll in the popular vote at some point, no matter how diligently the MSM keeps states like Wisconsin and Ohio colored as toss-ups – even though Obama has been dominating in polling across the board.

    I don’t want to get ahead of myself, but unless Democrats make a mistake of nominating a dull politician in 2016, they are going to start out playing offense again – and in a situation where Obama is (likely) going to be more popular broadly, and where the demographics continue to get even friendlier for us. In other words, please don’t nominate Andrew Cuomo (and not because I am a huge fan of his as governor of NY and want to keep him around).

    I also have to say that I love how well the O-team is lowballing the debate expectations. Maybe it’s because they think Mitt will just step on his own dick the whole time, but even if that doesn’t happen, Obama is going to smack him around. If McCain was supposed to be a great debater, there’s absolutely no way Romney is better than him.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Hahaha I guess not. FYWP is too clever for me and my square bracketz.

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    khead says:

    So, I mentioned that my old man was sick a while back. Heart attck, etc.

    It just so happens that he stopped breathing yesterday.

    Been looking for a thread that is kinda apolitical and this is the best I could find.

    Anyway, heading to southern WV tomorrow for the burial.

    79 YEARS in McDowell County WV. RIP DAD

    We could all do a lot worse.

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    Steeplejack says:

    This is getting into the sawing-sawdust zone. DougJ, can’t you think of anything more inflammatory to troll us with? Not saying you should, but this is thin.

    And, yes, the days dwindle down to a precious few. (From Willie Nelson’s excellent album of standards, Stardust.)

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    Maude says:

    @Rex Everything:
    It turns me into the tooth fairy.

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    👽 Martin says:

    As I suggested in a previous thread, if their ‘voter fraud’ measure prove insufficient, they’ll grab Mitts 47% idea by the balls and move to amend their felon voter rights laws to exclude anyone receiving government assistance (their narrow interpretation of assistance, of course). They’ve been floating that idea for years, but they’re now out of options.

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    muddy says:

    Their new favorite word will be “bipartisan”, and insist that their losing policies should be implemented immediately because democracy.

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    Dennis SGMM says:


    If McCain was supposed to be a great debater, there’s absolutely no way Romney is better than him.

    Rather than addressing a question Mitt will launch into Republican boilerplate. Obama will wear him down until Romney reveals that he has a bad case of “How dare you question me?”

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    BGinCHI says:

    Maybe part of ACA can pay for deprogramming GOP voters from their cult.

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    Yutsano says:

    @khead: Pacem a tei good sir. And please don’t ru over Tunch.

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    Steeplejack says:


    My condolences to you. It’s tough when you lose your father.

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    Todd says:


    I don’t think that makes a good betting “middle”, because there isn’t a point spread.

    Not that I would know bout such hints, because that would be illegal…

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    Anoniminous says:


    Condolences on your loss.

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    Zandar says:

    Will conservatives claim that ACORN worked hand-in-hand with the librul media and prognosticators to make sure that Obama won by the exact amount that prognosticators predicted?

    Yes Doug.

    And then they will impeach him. Well, if they still control the House.

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    geg6 says:

    I am stunned by this campaign. I keep saying that here, but every day something else stuns me. If this is all some conspiracy cooked up by ACORN and the New Black Panthers, I want them to keep doing it. But as a lifelong Dem, I know that such coordination and secrecy would never happen on our side. That’s not who we are. That’s who they are. It’s all projection with them.

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    debit says:

    @khead: I am so sorry for your loss.

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    Boudica says:

    @khead: My condolences.

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    Yutsano says:

    @MikeJ: Get a fez. Fezzes are cool.

    Oh and I got Election Day off.

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    Dennis SGMM says:


    Deepest condolences from someone who has walked ahead of you. Take care of yourself and pay close attention to your emotional state during the next few weeks. You may find yourself becoming overwhelmed at times.

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    Some Guy says:

    @muddy: Ha! Some will, no doubt. But I suspect they just pivot immediately to OMG sky is falling. That should last until Ye Olde Annual Christmas War and OMG fiscal cliff!

    But *underneath* the bloviators all hell will break loose between Teatards, God-Botherers, and Greedsters.

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    Strontium 90 says:

    Does anyone know how the “D+” spread is derived in many of these polls?

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    danielx says:

    @Brian R.:

    This too. I can almost hear the chorus of “Romney wasn’t conservative enough! He wasn’t really a conservative at all!”

    Ignoring the fact that anyone who is “conservative enough” for the 27% is unelectable. But then, ignoring facts – for that matter, ignorance in general – is not exactly unknown in the wingnut populace….


    Sorry for your loss – you think you’re prepared, but you never are.

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    Emma says:

    @khead: Oh lord. I am so sorry. I can’t even imagine the pain. Here’s wishing you and your family peace.

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    ericblair says:


    Their new favorite word will be “bipartisan”, and insist that their losing policies should be implemented immediately because democracy.

    And if an R gets 270 electoral votes, mandate bitches. Life is much easier if you have absolutely no shame, I guess.

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    There will always be that fringe of the wingnutosphere convinced that NObama stole the election thanks to ACORN and the New Black Panthers. They’re already setting the stage with their “unbiased polls” BS.

    But I really do think the GOP is starting to get a clue that they’re in deep shit. That their longterm prospects are not good and that they need to back away from the edge of the cliff, which means trying to tamp down the crazies, stuff those creepy crawlies under the conservative rock.

    I mean, crap. That’s what I would do. If the GOP can’t win with all of the voter suppression and Citizens United money bombing and all that, then they are truly fucked. Obama this election, Hillary next one. Democrats 4Ever. Bwaaahaaa.

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    Violet says:

    @khead: So sorry for your loss. Gentle, healing thoughts heading your way. Safe journey.

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    scav says:

    If you need a break from serious presntation of the Electoral Votes, there is this site for breaking the news to you gently (D) version. (R) version here for those that like reassurance from the other direction. I keep clicking on the site trying it get them to fight over the last few balloons but haven’t managed it yet.

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    MikeJ says:


    Oh and I got Election Day off.

    Excellent. Grab your beret or fez and we’ll go lean on whitey before we hit the Montlake.

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    gwangung says:

    @khead: Aw, man…..sorry to hear that.

    Take care.

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    Splitting Image says:

    “Conservatives” will probably insist that Romney failed their movement, but “investors” will have some questions about their companies’ willingness to bankroll failure. Just about the only thing Mitt Romney has been doing well is fundraising, and fundraising is about buying influence. If the guys supplying Mitt and Karl Rove with their money don’t do some post-election cost-benefit analyses, the shareholders represented by those individuals sure will.

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    So sorry to hear about your loss. Wishing you comfort ….

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    tam says:

    @khead: I’m so sorry for your loss.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @khead: Sorry to hear that, and best to you and your family.

    Sounds like he led a long life. Godspeed.

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    shoutingattherain says:

    The comments are bollixed but good tonight.

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    artem1s says:


    so sorry to hear about you losing your dad. I lost mine three years ago and it has left a weird hole in my life. It’s both a good and bad thing that it is there. hard to explain.

    I hope this transition in your life goes easily.

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    Linda Featheringill says:


    CBS Poll, Sept. 18-24

    Over 65, D by 4 in FL, D by 1 in OH, and R by 5 in PA.

    Males, R by 3 in FL, R by 8 in OH, and R by 1 in PA.

    My point is that the Republicans are losing two of the main sources of votes in key states, males and over 65. They are truly in trouble.

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    khead says:

    Thx to everyone. Wasn’t even going to say anything but my wife figured if I was gonna subject you folks to all those damn cat pics I should share my loss too.

    Dad had a great life. He told us kids that very thing – repeatedly before he passed.

    Just wanted to share cause there was no way I could share once I got to Dad’s – I mean, hell, he was still on dial up service.


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    Ash Can says:

    @khead: So sorry to hear that. Condolences to you and your family.

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    Maude says:

    So Sorry, have a safe trip.

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    Mary G says:

    @khead: Something you’re never ready for, even if you think you are. I lost my mom two years ago next month. She was 86 and had a great life, but I still want her back.

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    Linda Featheringill says:


    My sympathy. May your memories bring you comfort for a long, long time.

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    cckids says:

    @khead: Very sorry to hear about your dad. Hold on to good memories, and peace to you & your family.

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    geg6 says:


    I’m so sorry. I know what it is to lose a dad. I was a daddy’s girl (but less in a girly way than in a tomboy way) and I lost mine back on January 2, 1999. I still miss him all the time.

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    scav says:

    @khead: Condolences to yourself, his family and friends.

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    Maude says:

    If he runs into Tunch, the car will bounce backwards.

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    Yutsano says:

    @MikeJ: Let’s make it an official thing. I’ll send an e-mail when I get home though I’ll be busy cooking for work tomorrow.

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    Valdivia says:


    deep deep condolences. and hugs. sorry to hear this.

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    Anya says:

    @khead: So sorry for your loss. I hope your comforted by memories of your time together and love of your family. Take care! I cannot even begin to imagine your pain.

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    DougJ says:


    Sorry for your loss.

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    poco says:

    @khead: I am so sorry to read this. All healing vibes and comfort to you.

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    scav says:

    Damn. imagine get togethers across the nation on election night of raucous individuals in Fezes, berets, with green balloons and enormous cats and squished foil armadillos.

    Friends, they must might think it a movement.

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    S. Holland says:

    @khead: So so sorry

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    Anya says:

    Not sure if it was linked before but I lol’d at this clip:
    Joe Scarborough reacts to latest Romney FAIL: *facepalm* “Oh sweet Jesus!”

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    Rock says:

    Dude, if Obama wins by the amount the polls predict, clearly the fix was. After all, what are the odds of the polls being that right?

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    Yutsano says:

    @scav: I’m not singing in harmony with MikeJ. I will get a fez though.

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    danielx says:

    @Some Guy:

    That process has started already. Mittens is or was a relatively pragmatic standard issue corporate Republican, which is why the base can’t stand him. Corporate Republicans are all about the money, which is pretty much what the Republican Party has been and is all about. Corporate Republicans, generally speaking, don’t give a fiddler’s fuck about many of the issues near and dear to Tea Party and go-botherer hearts. The problem is that anyone running on those issues is unelectable at the national level. You want to outlaw birth control? Really? This way to wherever failed candidacies go, chump.

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    Violet says:

    @efgoldman: Well, there’s this:

    The tea party group FreedomWorks is launching a multi-state “Black and White Tour” to reach out to black voters, the group announced Wednesday.
    “Our theme is that freedom is a black and white issue,” FreedomWorks CEO and President Matt Kibbe told CNN. “And we’re also going to take on some of what we think is the divisive rhetoric coming from the left on race, some of the attacks on the tea party movement.”

    I think they know they’re losing the demographics race, but they don’t know what to do about it.

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    raven says:

    @khead: Aw man, so sorry to hear this news.

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    Violet says:

    Is it possible that Mitt could win less than 27%?

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    devtob says:

    Incited by Faux News and wingnut radio, conservatives will react badly to losing, especially after they won so much two years ago.

    The Bushite 27 percent, the tea party, Southern and Southernish whites, the Religious Right (I repeat myself) all hate Obama now, and will hate him even more in the second term.

    One thing for sure, they will not give up.

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    Schlemizel says:


    I am glad to hear that you feel he did well enough. Hope you are OK with it too, its tough to lose a parent even when you see it coming and have some time to come to terms.

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    IowaOldLady says:

    Early stages of the race? In-person early voting starts here tomorrow.

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    Svensker says:


    Aw, honey, so sorry to hear that. We could all do a lot worse, but it’s still harder than heck. Big big hugs.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    My condolences, khead. It sounds like your dad had a good, long life. May he RIP, and (if he is so inclined) hang out with Andy Williams on the far shore of Moon River.

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    scav says:

    @Yutsano: Bet you don’t want a pickle either. Still, you in fez is cool.

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    honus says:

    @khead: Should be a good day to drive to McDowell. Today I was telling a young kid I work with that the state is really beautiful this time of year. Peace to you both.

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    JPL says:

    @khead: It doesn’t matter whether a death is expected or not, it still hurts. Take care.

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    raven says:

    @khead: My dad died nine years ago this week. Biden’s comment that “one day a smile will come to your face before a tear comes to your eye” is true.

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    JCJ says:


    My thoughts are with you. My father died when I was 14 (I am 50 now) and there are many days when I think of him. My father in law died last month and I keep thinking of a picture my wife took of him with my daughter when my daughter was three years old. Think of all the good experiences you shared with him.

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    khead says:

    Dads Obit.

    Not that it matters, but if I ever become famous I just outed my anonymous self here at Balloon Juice.

    Dad deserves as much pub as I can give him.

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    @khead: My condolences. Take care of yourself. Let the good memories come on that long drive, and I hope you aren’t riding alone, for every place will have a reminder of him on the way there and back.

    Don’t be afraid to share. We’re old pros here at loss. I lost my dad when I was 26 (he was 72), and I still think about him from time to time. I wonder what he would have thought of the changes since then.

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    WaterGirl says:

    Could someone please adopt this beautiful cat?

    She stares at me from that top photo, and she won’t let me close the tab until she finds a home.

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    Cermet says:

    @Michael G: Nate of 528 is becoming a wingnut with his using climate change denier’s arguments in his latest book; he believes, like many smart people who understand little outside their narrow field of statistics, that these techniques are not applicable to climate modeling; hence, he suddenly feels he is expert enough to pass judgment on these issues – a topic far, far beyond his capabilities. Funny how anyone can go wingnut when they get a big ego after success in an unrelated field.

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    Johannes says:

    @khead: So very sorry for your loss, khead.

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    raven says:

    @khead: I’m always putting stuff up here that someone could figure out who I am. Don’t mean nuthin.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @khead: So sorry. Big hugs.

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    KG says:

    @Violet: not likely, in 1936, Landon set the low bar with 37.5% of the popular vote against FDR; McGovern tied him in 1972. Stevenson scored 41.9% in 1956. Hell, even Goldwater got 38.5% in 1964. Mondale even managed to break 40% in 1984. I think Romney’s absolute floor is somewhere around 40% in the worst case scenario.

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    Jay C says:


    Sorry to hear of your loss. Many condolences.

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    Anya says:

    @Violet: The white Southerners will come to Mittenz rescue.

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    DPS says:

    I think that they’ll blame the loss on 1). voter fraud, ACORN, New Black Panthers, etc. and 2). the liberal media conspiracy depressing Republican turnout by lying about the polls and demoralizing Republicans who otherwise would have gone to the polls. Also, I’d like to propose a new candidate here: Mitt looks like he’s going to make a desperate grab for his old moderate position—he was pimping his Romneycare record today—and if he ends up losing instead of getting the narrow win the wingnuts are saying the polls should be predicting they can blame this last-minute confession of sincere RINOhood for the last-minute loss of support that led to Obama winning.

    I think they’ll just dismiss as a misleading coincidence the fact that the actual result is pretty close to what the polls and poll analysis indicated.

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    lamh35 says:

    Wow it really desperation time. Now Romney is touting Romneycare to prove that he’s really compassionate!!! WTF!

    Karma, Irony, Fate and perhaps even God seemed to determined at the moment to kick Mitt Romney’s ass.

    Conservs will NOT like this one bit, unless they are so beat down that they are just willing to dance with the devil, in this cast Romenycare Mitt

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    piratedan says:

    @Violet: yeah, maybe they can swing by Mecklenburg County, Va and enroll those experts in racial sensitivity in the county GOP offices.

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    Michael says:


    Dude, if Obama wins by the amount the polls predict, clearly the fix was. After all, what are the odds of the polls being that right?

    LOL, this is perfect. I remember reading an article back in the day (on slate, perhaps? Hitchens?) that argued that the fact that we found NO evidence of WMDs in Iraq was evidence that they HAD been building WMDs. Because after all, what’s the likelihood that there’d be nothing? It must mean there had been something, but the Iraqis had destroyed it.

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    dmsilev says:

    It’s not a coincidence that Mitt’s overall win probability is almost exactly equal to his “win Ohio” probability.

    Which is why seeing polls saying Obama +8 or Obama +10 in Ohio is so so sweet.

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    1badbaba3 says:

    @khead: Sorry about your Father. Stay strong, you will get through it. Peace to you and yours.

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    TheMightyTrowel says:

    @khead: It’s a nice obit – it gives a little window into a family that’s coming together and I’m glad you have that right now. My condolences.

    Also, and OT, you all have such lovely american names – i’ve been out of the country so long that just reading through your family’s names makes me nostalgic.

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    SFAW says:


    So sorry to hear of the loss of your father. Thanks for letting us read the obit, it was nicely done. Best wishes to you and your family.

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    SIA says:

    @khead: Condolences khead. So difficult to lose your dad.

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    Kristine says:

    @khead: Deepest sympathies. Been there.

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    Hal says:


    If McCain was supposed to be a great debater, there’s absolutely no way Romney is better than him.

    I heard on NPR one day that Romney had more practice debating this year because he has been in over 20 debates. But when you think about it, what has he done? Gone down the typical laundry list of teaparty memes and basically outspent his opponents while also being hailed as the most normal one. He has not had any real debates since maybe 2002, so I’m not expecting him to trounce Obama at all.

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    Ben Mays says:

    I was born in McDowell. Some of my Mom’s family has been there for over 200 years. Its a place fallen on hard, hard times. My parents generation pretty much all left there in the late 60’s and 70’s. My thoughts are with you.

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    Khead – so sorry, I lost my father in 1996 and the pain never really goes away, it just diminishes year by year.

    I have been enjoying Morning Joe’s absolute and utter horror every time the latest Romney disaster comes out. My favorite was last week when he put a brown paper bag on his head.

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    SFAW says:

    DougJ –

    The tough question is not “What will they say?”, but rather, “What WON’T they say?”

    Because, frankly, with the Modern Rethuglican Party, I would say there are few, if any, limits.

    If Joe Welch were alive today, he’d probably kill himself, out of despair.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @khead: I read the obituary, thanks for sharing it with us.

    It sounds like you have already lost your mom. Losing that final parent really threw me for a loop. The best I could do in describing it at the time was to say that it was like the whole world still looked perfectly normal, but it was as if the foundation had fallen away. When my dad died, I recall a man I didn’t know well telling me that I could expect the next 6 months to feel very odd.

    It has been my experience that people who have not lost a parent just don’t get it, so if you want to talk as time goes on, I’m sure there are plenty of us here who, sadly, have been there, and would be glad to talk.

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    gogol's wife says:


    I’m very sorry. It’s a nice obituary.

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    David in NY says:

    @PsiFighter37: “Andrew Cuomo”???!!!!

    Oh, no! Believe me, Andrew is the Mitt Romney of Democrats. No core.

    Now, I am famous in the family for having said of Geo. H.W. Bush, “That man will never be president.” But of Andrew, I can only say, “I desperately hope that man will never be president.”

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    dance around in your bones says:


    I am so sorry for you…I was there when my husband (of 40 years) stopped breathing, and I expect my 80+ yr old dad to follow the same path soon enough (stroke & etc).

    It’s tough.

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    gogol's wife says:


    She is haunting me too, but we don’t live there, and we’re full up with semi-socialized ferals (two, I know it doesn’t sound like a lot, but it kinda is). Thanks for drawing more attention to her.

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    Leadpipe says:

    One would hope that sometime soon the press would start to figure out that voters are rejecting Romney’s vision not his poor campaign. A lot of people are suffering now. I’m not sure how many pay attention to every misstep that Willard makes. They just aren’t buying what he’s peddling. The more people who vote to end the insanity of the republican party, the better.

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    khead says:

    Damn this thread is awesome. Thanks. Everyone.

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    Ben Mays says:

    @khead: I was born in Welch. The Fannings did most of our funerals too. The Star Drive-In is still open, so is some McDowell food left. I took my daughter there last year, for the first time. The Town doesn’t look too bad, but oh, what it was even still in the 70’s. When I was 14, I handed out palmcards for Mcgovern there. Sigh. I miss all our people there. Good, salt of the earth, pro-labor democrats. Every home had pictures of Jesus, FDR/JFK, and John L. Lewis. Enjoy your family and retell the old stories, that’s how we heal and plant the seeds for the future.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Re-reading my previous response to you, it sounds cold. But I’m just trying to explain to myself why I don’t jump in the car and drive to New York and get that cat!

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    khead says:

    Also, I can’t believe there’s anyone out there who would admit to being born in McDowell Co. That’s awesome.

    I wouldn’t if I didn’t have to. Heh.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @gogol’s wife: Not to worry, your comment didn’t seem cold to me at all.

    I have a crazy puppy and two kitties already, so I don’t have the right spot for her, either. But damn, there is something about her that just won’t let me go. I hope someone sees that beautiful face and that intense “I’m looking at you!” face and decides to take her.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Cermet: There is a huge difference between “becoming a wingnut” and “buys some really stupid shit that he will hopefully regret in a few years.”

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    mainmati says:

    @khead: Rest in Peace for your Dad and peace for you too.

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    Brachiator says:


    Very sorry for your loss. I hope your dad had a good life.

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    sneezy says:


    79 YEARS in McDowell County WV. RIP DAD

    I hope you’ll accept my sincere condolences. We lost my father earlier this year, coincidentally also at 79 years. Best wishes to you and your family.

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    Evolving Deep Southerner says:

    @khead: Lost Pop back in March. He’d been sick a long time, fought the good fight, got to go home to die and have some agency in his life until almost the very end.

    You’ll live. But it will be different. And be prepared for little, unexpected things to remind you of him often.

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    Brandon says:

    There is one thing I have refreshingly not heard uttered once during this campaign regarding polling, and that is the infamous ‘Wilder Effect’. Which was necessarily mentioned in every breath during 2008. I do wonder though if we might see an attempt at a comeback by political reporters desperate to reinforce the notion that this is still a tight race. I am betting that it will either come out of Politico or Halperin first.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @khead: Damn. Condolences for your loss.

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    jenn says:

    @WaterGirl: I know, she’s such a sweetie! I’m hoping one of the “possibles” comes thru.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @khead: My condolences as well, khead.

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    piratedan says:

    @khead: my family is from the same area (Wyoming Co.) and my Dad has been gone now for over 10 years now. For a while you may feel rudderless but then you’ll realize that it simply isn’t so… may that time reach you sooner rather than later…

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    vheidi says:

    @khead: I’m so sorry.

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    Brandon says:

    Also too, Gallup daily tracking poll is giving Obama a 6 point lead. At what point does Rassmusen decide to cut bait and reconcile his poll with the national numbers so that he is not caught out looking like a clown? His poll is showing an even split right now and he surely knows that he cannot just move his numbers that much, even a week before election day and look credible. My guess is that he is holding out until after the first debate to begin moving his numbers, once it is shown that the debate didn’t change too many minds.

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    ljt says:

    @khead: So sorry for your loss. Lost my mom 3 years ago, it does, and doesn’t, get easier. Read the obit and was struck by so many connections–grew up in Columbia, MD. Lived several years in Burtonsville, moved 15 years ago to Mt. Pleasant, SC. Feel like we should know each other somehow.

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    Anya says:

    @David in NY:

    But of Andrew, I can only say, “I desperately hope that man will never be president.”

    You and me both, David in NY!

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    redshirt says:

    I’m 3 minutes under 12 hours of sunlight. Haz a sad.

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    dance around in your bones says:

    @khead: One of the things that I have learned (and SO much appreciated) about Balloon Juice is the incredible empathy and all-around good-heartedness of the community here; blog host JG being Numbah One….

    Both my parents are in their 80’s, I expect to lose one fairly soon because of his condition (stroke).

    The loss of my husband was pretty awful – less than a year ago – I’m not sure I have processed it yet. Like, am I in Denial? Anger? Bargaining? Depression? Acceptance?

    If I had to choose right now, I think it would be depression.

    So…..take care of yourself.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Ugh. There’s been a lot of that going around this summer — my father-in-law passed away in July. Lean on your friends and family as much as you can and you’ll all get through it together.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @David in NY: Yeah…he’s bought a lot of goodwill from liberals for his push for gay marriage legalization, but aside from that…ugh. Not a fan of his fiscal thinking. That said, given that New York (outside of NYC) is not a bastion of raging liberalism, he does fit the state well as a whole – which probably explains why his approval ratings have been consistently high since he got elected. That’s quite a feat given how dysfunctional the state government here has been.

    If a New Yorker not named Hillary Clinton (well, in whatever sense she is considered one) is going to run in 2016, please make it the junior senator. I haven’t heard Gillibrand speak much, but she will have been a senator for nearly 7 years when 2016 rolls around, have won 2 statewide elections by huge margins, and (yes, being shallow here) is very telegenic.

    Anyways, it’s a debate for after this election. Gotta make sure our current president stays there for 4 more years.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Anya: Make that a third BJer who hopes Andrew Cuomo never becomes president.

    khead: Condolences (and hugs) to you and your family.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Anya: Unfortunately, he is where the money is, and as a long time political insider, will probably spend the next three years locking up those donors. The way he did in Patterson.

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    The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Can’t really answer any of your questions…


    I’m pretty sure that if Obama DOES win…

    We’re never gonna quit hearing the word ‘impeachment’ for the entire next four years…

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    The Bobs says:

    After the election, the wingers will be busy blaming Romney for everything that is wrong with themselves.

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    Nancy Darling says:

    @khead: It gets easier with each passing day, khead. I lost my Dad from a heart attack 31 years ago. He had just turned 82 and would be 114 this year. Now when I think of him, it always make me smile. Sometimes I regret a little not being a better daughter when I was growing up, but he knew I loved him and I never doubted how much he loved me. He was so proud of his 4 kids.

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    Dee Loralei IPhone says:

    @khead sorry for your loss. It sounds as if he lived a good life.

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    Or something like that.Suffern Ace says:

    Connor actually had an interesting post over at the Atlantic today in response to Erik Eriksons pre election post morgen blaming the elite. If you want to know why Romney became the front runner in 2012, it was because many conservative activists and talk show hosts supported him in 2008 against McCain. I’m going out on a limb that conservative dislike of MCCain gave them Romney as the next in line. He actually quoted the post mortum in 2008 from someone stating that they would have won if they had nominated a real conservative like Romney.

    If only the tea party types would turn on Rush for leading them to Romney…I can only dream.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    Of course not. They’ll graciously accept defeat and work on forming a working coalissssshhhhh-oh man, I can’t even finish my sentence!

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    mclaren says:

    This is a near-exact replay of the way conservatives behaved leading up to the 1992 and the 1996 and the 2008 elections. And after a Democrat wins the presidency, conservatives will behave exactly as they did after those elections: they’ll scream “we wuz ROBBED!” and regard the Democratic president as politically and institutionally illegitimate, and do everything in their power to tear down his presidency and bring it to a grinding screeching halt.

    Impeachment. Investigations. Debt ceiling hostage-taking. Sequestration gridlock. Conspiracy theories on Faux News. The same-old same-old.

    Rinse, wash, repeat.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @khead: Lost my dad in 1998 in his 85th year–& still not a day goes by that I don’t think of him. But as raven put it, “Biden’s comment that ‘one day a smile will come to your face before a tear comes to your eye’ is true.” Celebrate your dad’s life, cherish the memories, embrace your family & friends, grieve as you should & must, & go forth, as his life goes forth in yours. All the best to you & yours in this sad time.

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    Or something like that.Suffern Ace says:

    @The Republic of Stupidity: I think Norquist is already on record of as saying that they expect to win the mid terms again and if they take control of the senate, they’d get rid of him. Of course that was earlier in the year where it looked limited certain that republicans would end up with a senate majority.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @dance around in your bones:

    Just about every time you post, my affection for you grows. I remember your posting last year very soon after you lost your husband and I was flabbergasted that you could stay so cheerful, yet I have to say I never got the sense that you were in denial. And of course the grandchildren did and do keep you very much in the moment. Not sure where I was going with this except to say that I always enjoy your comments and hope you will continue to post here in good times and bad. And when your dad’s time comes, you know we’ll all be here for you.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @The Republic of Stupidity: Doubt it. They’ll undoubtedly bitch and moan about Fast and Furious, but Holder’s been exonerated, and if we can put Issa back in the minority, we can stop hearing about what other frivolous, unimportant shit he wants to investigate instead of doing his job.

    Oh, and Grover Norquist can go eat a bag of pickled dicks. If he wants to be tax-free so bad, he can go ahead, renounce his citizenship, and move to Singapore or something (just like one of the Facebook guys did earlier this year). I think both he and I would be much, much happier.

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    Scott Alloway says:

    @khead: So sorry to hear that. I hope he had a good life and that you have many memories upon which to reflect.

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    KG says:

    @Or something like that.Suffern Ace: They need two-thirds in the Senate for conviction, no way in bloody hell will they get 67 votes in the Senate short of Mexico and Canada invading

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    Cacti says:


    Whether the death of a loved one is expected or not, the finality of it hurts like hell.

    May the happy memories of your father be a source of comfort to you in your time of sorrow.

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    Walker says:

    @Or something like that.Suffern Ace:

    No way the Republicans will ever get a 2/3 Senate majority to convict.

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    Or something like that.Suffern Ace says:

    @PsiFighter37: I wonder who they’ll pick on after Holder is gone. I was figuring that they’d hold hearings about those accusations that Janet Napolitano was running homeland security with a lesbian junta. My guess is that they’ll pull out Hillary’s Muslim aide to try and forestall her running in 2016.

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    Or something like that.Suffern Ace says:

    @Walker: do you honestly trust the senate dems not to turn on him were they to be part of a shrinking minority?

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    dance around in your bones says:


    See, this is what I mean when I say that the BJ community is so empathetic and supportive.

    SiubhanDuinne, your comment brought tears to my eyes…..I am still processing and dealing with the death of my husband, but I can share my emotions here on BJ and get …I don’t know, support? Sympathy? Just full-on nice people understanding how crappy it is to lose a parent or a spouse?

    I just love this place and I thank you, SiubhanDuinne, for your very kind comments. It really DOES help.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @Or something like that.Suffern Ace:

    I trust that there won’t be enough of them to get 67 votes. Remember, Lieberman and Ben Nelson are leaving.

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    1badbaba3 says:

    NFL refs are back!

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    gnomedad says:

    So sorry. Condolences to you and your family.

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    👽 Martin says:

    NFL/refs reach agreement and here’s no FP post after all the whining and hystrionics?

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    sgrAstar says:

    @khead: So sorry to hear about your Dad, khead. Hold your family close.

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    jwb says:

    @Brandon: I love the way everyone this election just presumes that Rasmussen’s numbers are a fiction. It’s nice to see his credibility absolutely destroyed. I think that by taking his polls as the baseline the unskewers have been a great help in discrediting Rasmussen.

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    1badbaba3 says:

    @👽 Martin: I think Cole is passed out. Apparently it takes a lot of energy to remain in a constant froth. Who knew?

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    trollhattan says:


    So, so, so very sorry. Please accept my condolences, and take the best care of your family, and yourself, as you can.

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    The Republic of Stupidity says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    Who said anything about actually impeaching the man?

    They’ll just jabber, moan and shriek it so often it’ll end up SEEMING like it happened…

    Hell… they’ll have to keep feeding their base some sort of red meat, or the base just might turn on THEM next…

    Just like they repeat the phrase ‘Obama’s failed policies’ endlessly, as though it’s a foregone, long-settled conclusion… w/out ever naming WHICH policies failed…

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    redshirt says:

    Minus six minutes under twelve today; :(

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    fuckwit says:

    They will continue to go completely, full-on, bat-shit insane. And, sadly, some of them will get even more violent too (what the fuck is going on in Indiana?) and overall their numbers will continue to dwindle, from 27%, to 17% in 4 years, to 10% in 8 years, to…. eventually to asymptotically approach nothing.

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    chopper says:


    i’m so sorry, dogg. losing your dad is something really weird. sounds like he led a good life though.

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    Lojasmo says:


    Sorry for your loss. Safe travels.

    If one wanted, they could find my Facebook page, twitter account, employer and HOME ADDRESS (thanks Dean meatup group moderator) from my username here. :(

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    MJ says:

    @khead: My condolences to you and your family members.

    Also, thanks for sharing his obit. It sure sounds like he had a really good life.

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    donquijoterocket says:

    @ Khead- Having been there and done that I know that no matter how prepared one feels for the eventuality , there is no way to be prepared.My sincerest condolences.
    79 years is a good run,but still too soon IMO.

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