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Looks like Mitt has finally locked up the crazification vote, but he needs to be careful. One rational statement about any topic and he’ll lose them.
How about an open thread…
Cheers
Villago Delenda Est
Color me totally shocked and surprised at “that number” showing up, yet again.
A full quarter of the population of this country, some 75 million, are batshit insane.
dmsilev
The pollsters are justing screwing with us now, right?
chopper
It’s like the golden ratio of politics. It’s fuckin everywhere.
General Stuck
Who’s the badass in this POTUS race?
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/romney-obama-poll-2012
I am a little surprised a poll question was asked about this, but it does seem a reasonable question per current events, and the chest pounding of moral midget Mitt.
reposted from thread below.
Ed Drone
I’m beginning to think that Douglas Adams had it wrong in his Hitchhiker’s Guide search for “the answer to life, the universe and everything” — it isn’t 42! That was a fake result, put forward by a 27%er to hide the truth.
27 percent IS the solution!
Ed
Patricia Kayden
Wonder if Romney has any idea how he’s hurt himself with his rush to judgment. Probably not since he doubled down and hasn’t retracted his foolishness. And that Reince Preibus (spelling) fellow is a trip. Not helping Romney at all.
eric
Even more incredible is that the “square” of 27% is “Mitt Romney.” How spooky is that?
amk
The eternal idjit quotient that won’t just die off.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Weird Romney keeps on pandering to the 27%. The only thing I can think of is Mittens is in the same information bubble as the rest of them.
EconWatcher
The Mittster does not back down, the Mittster does not look back, and the Mittster certainly does not listen to the whiny stylings of the liberal press. I think we can expect more of these bold, brave positions from the Mittster.
gogol's wife
First the Obama campaign offered for us to meet Sarah Jessica Parker. Now it’s Beyonce and Jay-Z. I have zero interest. When’s that Colin Firth and Benedict Cumberbatch meet-and-greet?
Elizabelle
@Villago Delenda Est:
Maybe less than 75 million, because some are young children and thus expected to have that level of comprehension?
We are lucky not to have 27% trolls at Balloon Juice.
chopper
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
mittens has spent the last 50 years believing his own hype. he honestly thinks he chucked a solid one across obama’s bow. hence the smirk.
mdblanche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF037gX5asU
EconWatcher
@Elizabelle:
Maybe, but we spend at least 27% of our time feeding them–sometimes entire threads.
If you’re a starving, homeless troll, this is the place to come for sustenance. It’s like a soup kitchen for trolls.
schrodinger's cat
@gogol’s wife: You can have Firth if you leave me Cumberbatch!
schrodinger's cat
@Elizabelle: We may not have 27% trolls but unfortunately they do seem to post 27% of the comments!
scav
@schrodinger’s cat: Share share share. Be nice.
kamalokitty
Did someone tie up Paul Ryan in some basement of some undisclosed location? If so, why?
Disco
What is the source of this poorly-worded question? (“Do you think OF…?”)
Nevermind, I found it. You could have linked to it:
http://dyn.politico.com/polls/poll_voterresults.cfm?uuid=810D7110-907C-CDD4-C59184E06AF6F274
rlrr
Maybe Ryan thinks his time is better spent holding on to his seat in Congress…
jeffreyw
Mmm… home made garlic pepper sausage
Elizabelle
@EconWatcher:
Good point.
Dennis SGMM
@kamalokitty:
Because he goes to a special place where the women who tie him up dress like nuns.
schrodinger's cat
@jeffreyw: We need kittehs! How is your gang?
zadura
Somehow I suspect that the 27% is related to the second most famous number in mathematics – e (2.71828.)
Amazing…
Dave
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: That’s it exactly. Epistemic closure at it’s finest.
Tonal Crow
Mew! Mew! Mew mew mew!
ETA: How does WP bollix up such a simple reply?
Nylund
But only 15% of voters think Romney deserves credit for getting Bin Laden. That suggest to me that he’s even having problems with they crazy 27’s.
Brachiator
The 2 percent “not sure” are some deep dumbasses.
One Southern California morning talk radio host, being surprisingly reasonable, noted that he had received over a hundred emails on the Libyan attack. Only two supported his position on Obama.
The 98 others insisted that Obama was a Muslim appeaser dedictated to weakening America.
The 27 percent are not just crazy. They cling to a lie that spits on the values that they supposedly care about.
They are almost hysterical in their fear and distrust of a black Democrat as president.
The sadder thing is that nothing can be done for them. Nothing.
The Red Pen
@Ed Drone:
27 is 42 in base that’s probably an irrational number slightly larger than 6.
In other words, 27 in The Answer in an irrational base.
I think that’s right.
Linda Featheringill
OT:
A diary on dkos lists competitive House races:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/13/1130295/-Taking-Back-the-House-List-of-Competitive-House-Races
[“Taking back the House”]
The author lists 60 races that are possible for us to win. We need 25 to turn over the House.
So if you’re looking for a good race to invest in . . . .
mdblanche
@zadura: Well, their skulls are naturally as thick as logs.
Dennis SGMM
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
The 27% are the Real Americans so cannily identified by that great statesperson, Sarah Palin. If the rest of us don’t go along with them we will be ashamed of ourselves forever.
The Moar You Know
I want very much for Obama to hold a presser, call out the Republicans for “emboldening the enemy” and imply that they’re anti-American. He’d never do it, of course. He shouldn’t.
Petty, I know. But I want some fucking payback for the eight years I was called a terrorist sympathizer and an America hater.
Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Dave
One rational statement, LOL.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@kamalokitty: Ryan had to sneak back into DC to bravely vote on a budget continuation to keep the government from shutting down. Which he will obviously later be against.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@chopper: Yes, that,.. I am also thinking that’s kind of smirk a man gets when he’s had 50 years of having his ass kissed and told he’s the savior.
ant
I went to politico looking for this to see if it was an online poll.
couldnt find it.
where did you see this?
Laura
@Nylund: The money number in that poll were the 47% or so of Republicans who said they “weren’t sure who deserved credit. These people know DAMN WELL Romney had abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do with it, but they are physically unable to give Obama credit for anything.
Cassandra
I’m wondering if Mitt doesn’t have more than just a touch of sociopath in him.
The Bearded Blogger
@Ed Drone: I was just thinking the same thing. But computer Earth was off by one, not sixteen.
@EconWatcher: I certainly hope so. We may get house+senate!
@rlrr: Randian Ryan is thinking 1) I must keep my senate seat; 2) I must find a way to get Mittens to quit so I may become the presidential nominee. Look for subtle underhanded attempts from Ryan to trip Mitt Romney up.
Jewish Steel
If I put myself Romney’s position I can’t see any other sensible approach than to KEEP TOTALLY CLEAR of any but the blandest foreign policy statements. I would have taken out a pencil and made a note of it the day OBL was killed. There is no way to address foreign policy concerns without provoking the memory of the death of OBL in the minds of the electorate.
I think Republicans are mostly pretty dumb, but didn’t they at least used to be crafty?
hep kitty
@The Moar You Know:
you and me both
The Moar You Know
@Cassandra: He does, but like George H.W. Bush before him, the real monster in the clan is his wife.
I have no doubt whatsoever Ann Romney would gut you like a fish and dig through your entrails with her bare hands if you told her you’d swallowed a quarter as a child. She cannot stand seeing others claim ownership to anything, as she feels it all rightfully belongs to her.
The Bearded Blogger
@The Moar You Know: Actually, I think the last month of the Obama campaign is gonna be about “the republicans plotted to sink the economy, we are going strong despite the hamstringing”, maybe accompanied by some unreleased video. I think this line could be extremely strong in all downticket races as well, and Ryan as a VP is a gimme for it
General Stuck
A competent president waits till most of the facts are in, then delivers a cool headed but firm statement on matters such as in Egypt right now. It sounds a lot like this.
Etc…. Etc…..
jeffreyw
@schrodinger’s cat: Kittehs! Sorry, no recent photos. They are all fine, though Homer keeps jumping up trying to snatch a hummingbird from the feeders. He also torments the puppehs during the night with his attempts at nursing. Annie’s gonna bite his head off one of these nights.
The Bearded Blogger
@Jewish Steel: Living in an information bubble can make an idiot out of the smartest person.
Maybe this accounts for the transformation from sensible, thoughtful Clint Eastwood to Crazy Teabagger Clint. Fox geezer syndrome
GregB
A trip to the fever swamp cannot help but confirm my deep suspicions about this film and the ensuing protests.
Drudge has a masked Muslim as the frontpage photo with the headline:
Arab Israeli politician warns of Armageddon.
If anyone thinks that reason is going to keep the fanatics, all the fanatics..the American Christian fanatics, the Israeli fanatics, the Muslim fanatics, from behaving like fanatics they had better think twice.
schrodinger's cat
@jeffreyw: Thanks for the update. Give Homer some skritches from me and tell him that humming birds is friends not fud. Nawty kitty!
jibeaux
The ubiquity of that number is beginning to make me feel slightly paranoid.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator:
We can shunt them all off to places where they won’t be able to hurt anyone again. Large padded cells.
The Bearded Blogger
@jibeaux: Maybe a pollster should try out some questiosn like:
Does the earth revolve around the sun?
If A then B, and not B, is it true that not A?
etc…
Just to check if the number holds up
Turgidson
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I forget who said it on the Twitterer machine, maybe Josh Marshall, but paraphrasing: “Mitt seems to think the Obama-hating base’s votes will count double if he panders to them enough.”
Villago Delenda Est
@GregB:
These people have more in common with each other than they have the cognizance to realize.
They have their hatred. It’s what brings them together, against each other.
Frankensteinbeck
From Mitt’s point of view, this is STILL better than having the national conversation be about his tax returns.
Turgidson
@General Stuck:
Knowing that Obama and Hillary Clinton are the ones making the big foreign policy decisions and representing America to the world…brings me no small measure of peace of mind. Especially after the Cowboy King’s reign of error.
Romney, with malevolent, ignorant morons like John Bolton whispering in his ear….the mind just fucking reels at the very thought. I’d have to seriously consider building a bomb shelter.
EconWatcher
@The Bearded Blogger:
You raise an interesting question: How much can Fox alone account for the craziness? I think actually quite a bit, based purely on personal observation.
My father had been a hardcore conservative who could engage in rational arguments and occasionally concede points. When Fox first started, he thought it was a lot of fun, but was a little sheepish about watching it, because he knew it wasn’t really news.
Then, after several years, I started hearing that Fox was no more biased than the “liberal networks.” And then we slid to the point that if he didn’t hear it on Fox, it must be a liberal invention.
How many people went through a similar progression? Millions?
jwb
@Turgidson: If you believe that the Romney campaign strategy is at all rational, I think you have to conclude that they believe this is a turn out election, one that will turn on the extent that the base of each side votes rather than the middle, and that their best path for victory is to motivate that base any way they can. It doesn’t seem that this strategy is likely to work, but I do think it’s the best explanation for the Romney campaign’s actions.
scav
@Villago Delenda Est: Gingham Dogs, Calico Cats. Double-padlocked isolation cell not near other inhabited places. Wait until it goes very quiet.
catclub
@chopper: The golden ratio is an irrational number.
Capri
@hep kitty:
When I run up against these types, I get a kick out of doing the following:
Let them run on at length about the hateful Muslim in the white house, how liberals should be shot, etc. etc.
Ask them if they hate America so much, why don’t they just move to another country.
The looks on their faces is priceless.
shortstop
@Jewish Steel: That’s what you’d do, because you’re not Mitt Romney, who’s on the stump in Virginia today criticizing Obama’s foreign policy.
No, no more popcorn. No! I told you guys, I gotta drop a few.
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
RE: The sadder thing is that nothing can be done for them. Nothing.
Actually, we can’t. And the worse thing is, that when Obama wins a second term, these people will become even more frantic, and potentially dangerous.
And keep in mind that these people actively believe the lies spouted in that nonsensical movie about Obama that is still in current release, that he has some deep secret plan to turn the US over to a coalition of commies, Muslims and space aliens.
And notice how the GOP leadership tries to walk the tightrope of not fully endorsing these wingnuts while still encouraging anger and discontent.
With apologies to Michael Mann’s Heat:
Vincent Hanna: I gotta hold on to my hatred. I preserve it because I need it. It keeps me sharp, on the edge, where I gotta be.
LD50
@The Bearded Blogger: No, this is how it should be phrased:
“President Obama thinks the earth revolves around the sun: what do YOU think?”
at LEAST 15% disagreement from Republicans.
gnomedad
@EconWatcher:
This is awesome. It should join the rotating tag lines.
Cermet
I can only say two things:
Wish this tragedy had never happened with the terrible loss of life.
Then, THANK YOU ROMNY FOR BEING A TOTAL ASSWIPE!
I’ll add – watching romney circle the drain is now getting to be fun! (Time to give to Obama’s campaign again)
Anoniminous
Comment gone because it was stupid.
LD50
@jwb: again, it ain’t working: http://electoral-vote.com/
I can’t tell you how many wingnuts I see on the internet claiming how ‘close’ the race is, how it’s “fifty-fifty”. It’s like they’ve all decided to pretend the electoral college doesn’t exist.
hep kitty
@Turgidson: Double Your Pander, Double Your Fun!
The Moar You Know
@EconWatcher: The slightly more rational Foxbots know their network is a fucking joke, and have gone to citing CNN to legitimize the bullshit they see on Fox.
If anyone can show me how CNN differs from Fox in even a superficial way, let me know.
Svensker
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I think they’ve all gotten so far inside the bubble they have no idea there’s a world outside. Apparently there’s a real problem in believing your own hype. I see that all the time on FB with the wingnut rellies — they’re always saying stuff that no one else gets and high-fiving over it. Meanwhile, the not-bubble folks are scratching their heads and saying WTF. I had to explain an empty chair bowing to a Saudi King chair to the hubster yesterday because, even though he’s on the net all the time being political, he still didn’t get the “joke.” And, boy, what a knee-slapper it was, too, eh?
shortstop
@LD50: The ranking wingnuts are just pretending, but a lot of the rank-and-file ones really don’t understand how it works. I enjoy asking family members in this category which swing states they think Romney will win and which ones they think Obama will win. The bovine look of bewilderment on their faces is delightful. After a couple of moments of silence, a couple of them gather themselves sufficiently to sputter out a Palinesque “Romney will get all of them!”
EconWatcher
@The Moar You Know:
Well, CNN has Robin Meade, and she’s way hotter than anyone on Fox….
The Moar You Know
@Brachiator: Leading the charge is awesome until the moment the guys in front of you or in back of you start shooting.
dead existentialist
@Anoniminous: That’s no way to go through life!
aimai
@EconWatcher:
I agree. I’ve heard that a lot from people on the internet, and certainly saw it in action when I went doorknocking for Kerry during that election cycle. My SIL, who definitely watched fox news from the beginning, said the same thing. First it was all just in good fun. Later it became like an earworm she couldn’t shut off.
aimai
Reasonable 4ce
I enjoy Romneytron 2.1’s transparent mendacity and unforced errors as much as the next guy, but let’s not get too cocky, folks. He’s still assured of getting a minimum of 47 percent of the vote in November. USA!!! USA!!!
Tom65
How is it that so many of my otherwise intelligent friends consistently fall into the 27%?
Meg
@gogol’s wife: Sadly, never.
They are both Brits.
Woodrowfan
Fox News is best understood as a cult. And cults in power never turn out well….
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@The Red Pen:
42/27 gives you 1.5555555555… (infinite repeating decimal)
27/42 gives you an even more interesting-looking number. Try it and see.
(Fun for those with weird number OCD, like me)
Ruckus
@kamalokitty:
Did someone tie up Paul Ryan in some basement of some undisclosed location? If so, why?
For our protection.
R-Jud
@The Moar You Know:
Jesus. I’m going to be sleeping with all the lights on, to make sure the Annromney doesn’t come out of my closet while I’m sleeping.
jimmiraybob
27%….it’s like magic.
Anya
@gogol’s wife: Why not throw in Daniel Craig? I would love that but they’re Brits so not gonna happen.
Mandalay
Watch out Obama! Palin has got Romney’s back, and is giving him free advice on how to campaign:
Yes, he should be very aggressive and he should be adamant in his attacks on Obama’s record, which is so dismal, his plan or lack of a plan of Obama’s to get us out of these woeful times. Yes, he needs to be severely aggressive in his — in his articulation.
But listen, you know, you bring up those demographics and what — what they’re representing in terms of perhaps wanting some free stuff. You need to remember, America is still center right.
Proof of that is look at how Obama has to couch his message. He has to lie to pretend that he is for fiscal sanity and strong national defense and those center right positions that the vast majority of Americans stand for. Obama has to pretend like he is that in order to get that base.
The Democrats use Bill Clinton to explain the complicated shit. The Republicans have Sarah Palin.
Maude
@Turgidson:
Obama makes all the foreign policy decisions. It is his policy and his, alone. The State Department was told that during the first days of the administration.
At State, they say that Obama has an iron grip on foreign policy.
karen marie
@GregB: They’re warning of Armageddon? Don’t they realize that’s what the Christian crazies want?
John H
Probable breakdown by region:
Northeast: Help 1%, Hurt 99%
Midwest: Help 1%, Hurt 99%
West: Help 1%, Hurt 99%
South: Help 99%, Hurt 1%
Just a guess.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
Please. DougJ alone accounts for 27%.
feebog
@ Shortstop:
Works on non-family members too. Works especially well on facebook when some knuckledragging moron keeps spouting RWN talking points. Engaging with these types is a lot of fun, but it can be exhausting.
schrodinger's cat
@R-Jud: She has also has big shiny white teeth. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Brachiator
@R-Jud:
RE: I have no doubt whatsoever Ann Romney would gut you like a fish and dig through your entrails with her bare hands if you told her you’d swallowed a quarter as a child. She cannot stand seeing others claim ownership to anything, as she feels it all rightfully belongs to her.
Years from now, when the middle class has been eliminated, the remnants of the poor will huddle around campfires, the shining castles of the oligarchs rising in the distance into the clouds.
Mothers will tuck their children into their tattered blankets and warn them, “the annromney will come and snatch you up if you don’t go right to sleep.”
The children will laugh and shudder and close their eyes.
The Red Pen
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
OK.
The really funny thing is that 428571 has 13 and 37 as factors. That’s t0T477y 1337 d00d.
Mandalay
@The Moar You Know:
I do not doubt for a moment that she would gut you, but you are being so unfair to Ann.
If you swallowed the quarter as a child you have obviously had it for a long time. Well, now it’s her turn to have the quarter. There is no need to make it seem like she is being unreasonable.
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
Sadly, the crazification factor is a little ill-equipped to explain this:
Pew estimates that maybe 18% of all Latinos are undocumented, while 37% are immigrants in general. But hey, all of them brown folk look the same, they can’t possibly be American, right?
Schlemizel
totally out in left field:
Some time ago a friend sent me two .bmp of monsters. Both stand on two feet, one had long shaggy hair on his head & looks vaguely human the other is ‘creature from the black lagoon-ish with a finned back. The things are signed but the quality is poor so I think it says C. Benvery ’99 or C. Bravery ’99 or C. Bonvery ’99.
I’m hoping to find additional work by this person but every combination I can think of comes up dry on the google machine. I’ll upload them to imgur later so you can see them but does anybody think these sound familiar?
SRW1
What a relieve, the world is back to normal! I had thought the 27%ers had abandoned Romney. After all, in that recent survey only 12-15% accredited Romney with killing OBL.
SiubhanDuinne
@ant:
I don’t think Politico and POLLitico are the same thing.
scav
@The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik: It was fun playing with students minds with similar stats in CA (Santa Barbara specifically) where a solid chunk of the Hispanics predated even the oldest Anglo “founding” families. (Then, with many ‘mercans mostly showing up post WWII . . .)
sherparick
@The Red Pen: I miss Douglas Adams. He would have turned 60 this year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams#Death
The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik
@scav:
Yeah. Kind of amazing how many people in the country think Latinos could never be really American when a rather significant chunk have roots reaching back for….what, 5, 6 centuries?
schrodinger's cat
@The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik: Another thing that many seem to miss is that Latino is a linguistic category not a racial one. My Puerto Rican Zumba instructor has blue eyes and is white.
vheidi
@General Stuck: I wonder why Charlie Pierce isn’t on the blogroll here? He’s my only other politics bookmark since I swore off GOS.
Dperl99
And here it is again (poll from WaPo site):
Did the Democratic national convention help Barack Obama’s chances in the presidential election?
Yes – 73%
No – 27%
Total Votes: 33,589
Ralph Spoilsport
@jeffreyw:
recipe?
Triassic Sands
Fortunately, for the lunatics there is virtually no chance of this happening, unless Mitt gets really, really drunk or high and does so when a mike is within reach. Otherwise, it’s a safe bet that Mitt will continue to feed the loons and maintain his status as Wackjob-in-Chief.
Dr. Loveless
@Mandalay:
Wow. That is some tasty word-salad there. And just in time for lunch, too.
jeffreyw
@Ralph Spoilsport: I have a link in this post over yonder.
Ed Drone
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
27/42 = .64285714285714….
That number, except for the initial 6, is my favorite repeating decimal:
1/7 = .142857142857142857…
2/7 = .285714285714285714…
3/7 = .428571428571428571…
You get the picture. Same numbers, same order, starting with a different one in each case. I love it.
Ed
The Red Pen
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/index.php?date=031208
Villago Delenda Est
@The Snarxist Formerly Known as Kryptik:
This is the factual basis of Arizona’s “show your papers, please” immigration law.
Schlemizel
@sherparick:
To paraphrase the brilliant Tom Lehrer
Its sobering to think, by the time Douglas Adams was my age he had been dead for 11 years
mazareth
It never ceases to amaze me how resilient that 27% number is.
No snark at the moment for me. Just got back from PT for my left knee (ACL replacement). Today is one month since the surgery and the PT is going well. It’s getting steadily more intense. Time for a little nap before lunch…
Danack
Hmm, seems that quite a few people are confused by the 27% – it’s the The Crazification Factor
John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is…
Tyrone: 27%.
John: … you said that immmediately, and with some authority.
Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That’s crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.
John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?
Tyrone: Hadn’t thought about it. Let’s split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification — either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.
John: You realize this leads to there being over 30 million crazy people in the US?
Tyrone: Does that seem wrong?
John: … a bit low, actually.
toones
@The Red Pen:
That was magnificent, I see what you did there!
Oh, thank you so much for this.
PaulW
@Villago Delenda Est:
Just be grateful that only a percentage of the population actually votes. So while 75 million are roughly batshit insane, calculate in the fact that about 60-70 percent of the total population votes in Presidential elections, so 60 percent of 75 million is…
45 million. Which is a bit less than the 59 million that voted for McCain (and way less than the 69 million that voted Obama).
rikyrah
that 27 number just creeps me out