I want to nominate the man who was smart enough to marry Michelle Obama. Killer.
14.
Elizabelle
He went there.
“Alternative universe.”
15.
artem1s
alternative universe!
16.
Smiling Mortician
He’s still got it.
The raspy voice reminds me of 20 years ago. The man loves campaigning.
17.
dance around in your bones
Hahahaha: “born in a log cabin he built himself”
“We’re all in this together”
Bring on the job statistics, B. Dawg :)
18.
El Cid
I think this particular evil clown parade of Republicans actually pissed Bill Clinton off, personally. He’s been pretty fucking pissed off recently about the voter suppression and the ‘welfare waiver’ lies.
19.
Violet
Bill is just so good. He’s got that crowd eating on the edges of their seats.
20.
shoutingattherain
Yeah I’ll say that vegan diet worked gud, but it hasn’t diminished his ability to connect.
21.
Randy P
He looks great.
And here’s the policy stuff. Jobs score over last 50 years: 44 millions to 22 million or something like that.
ETA: Hmm. He’s preaching cooperation. Haven’t we seen how that works? He admits that the current Republicans won’t ever cooperate, so why try any more?
We spend our fleeting lives between those two extremes.
32.
Soonergrunt
And now after talking about how cooperation is important, and getting the DNC to applaud George W. Bush, he’s going after the wingers, hammer and tongs.
33.
Bostondreams
The only convention to praise W. was Democratic. That is just…well, it says something, doesn’t it?
34.
Violet
Biden! Yay, Joe! And now a Hillary shout out and standing ovation! Yay!
35.
artem1s
shout out for madame secretary!
36.
Omnes Omnibus
So who was worried that Bill would not come through? This is a barnburner.
@Soonergrunt: He probably handed out a copy he’s not working from?
No teleprompter jokes for this known orator.
54.
Mary G
Preach it, Brother Bill!
55.
suzanne
The vegan thing is working for Big Dog.
I miss Big Dog. He always looked like being President was FUN.
56.
Violet
This speech is a thing of beauty. He’s having a great time up therre.
57.
? Martin
@NotMax: You know, we’ve never seen Clinton’s birth certificate.
He does talk kind of funny, you know.
58.
dmsilev
For some odd reason, I don’t believe George W Bush gave a comparable speech last week.
Wonder why?
59.
artem1s
oh snap, he didn’t just invoke Zombie Raygun!
60.
Violet
Reagan shoutout! Yeah!
61.
mark
jeebis crisp, the big dog is KILLING! you can just _*FEEL*_ he misses the big stage! could he serve in obama cabinet somewhere in the next term? that would be awesome
62.
arguingwithsignposts
“There they go again” – Clinton is just trolling now.
63.
Mr Stagger Lee
The people are sure enjoying this, not like the GOP where the peoples’ looks alternated between sucking lemons, and red meat hate.
64.
Jay C
“There they go again!”
and a positive spin on Obama’s Admin….
65.
spiffy
The Republicans are all going to wake up with unexplained cuts and bruises tomorrow – that is how hard Clinton is hitting them tonight.
66.
Some Loser
“There they go again.”
You magnificent bastard.
67.
Ben D.
Stealing one of their favorite lines from Reagan. FUCK YEAH!
68.
ChrisNYC
I’m loving the intermittent “now.” Just so wild that he can talk to so many people like he’s talking to just one.
69.
dance around in your bones
“As another President once said, There they go again!”
Hahahaha!
Bill’s kickin’ ass.
70.
joel hanes
No flag lapel pin
Your flag lapel won’t get you
Into heaven any more
71.
Omnes Omnibus
Jamison Foser @jamisonfoser
Clinton’s basically putting on a Springsteen show: Ditched the setlist, gonna go way over-schedule, rapt crowd.
72.
Bostondreams
If there were no 22 Amendment, this man would have been President for quite a while, I think.
Yes, and also said how great to work with him on Katrina. It was kind of a stealth burn.
78.
Violet
Big Dog’s giving me chills. So good. Love him.
79.
eric
Big A$$ Dawg
80.
General Stuck
BiG Dog delivers. Bullseye on the Reagan quip of “there they go again”. The entire convention so far has been to me a coming out of dems and what they believe, giving a big middle finger to the republicans. I bet the mean little shits are in a fit of vapors over it all. How dare democrats support themselves.
81.
suzanne
A great mix of calls to action, passion, and nitty-gritty details. And humor.
82.
Mary G
Bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, two outs, two strikes…and Clinton hits the walk-off home run.
It’s true, though, no? I don’t care how overtime he goes, he’s slicin’ and dicin’.
110.
bupalos
Big Dog is ALL IN.
111.
Elizabelle
And now we get to healthcare.
Enumerating, simply, the benefits of ObamaCare.
112.
El Cid
He’s really the best at taking what are often complicated-seeming policies and making them comprehensible and politically clear.
113.
Mr Stagger Lee
@KG: The Rush-Cam would be messy from the head exploding. Glenn Beck would make Alex Jones and Art Bell look like David Brooks. Hannity, Coulter, and the Faux News Boobs would have their faces melt ala Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
114.
MMM
He would still be President today. And the US would look quite different (i.e., better).
Guidelines developed over the life of the U.N. are that the Secretary-General officeholder changes by continent every time a new one is chosen, and that he/she not be a citizen of any nation designated a permanent member of the Security Council.
I’m not following along word for word, but at a glance it doesn’t seem that different.
118.
Soonergrunt
People are going nuts for what is essentially “A History of Changes and Alterations to the Federal Regulatory Code.”
How in the HELL did Bob Dole EVER think he stood a chance in 1996?
119.
El Cid
So, what’s all this from Republicans about how Obama and the Democrats can’t talk about what they’ve done?
120.
LanceThruster
I keep contrasting in my mind Mitt’s phony speech class facial expressions and the Big Dog’s genuinely engaged demeanor.
How great to see a party proud of their predecessors and not part of (as Maher put it) the witness protection program.
It’s too bad Pres. Jimmy Carter could not add his voice to the mix (the rethug meme is still Kryptonite).
121.
Violet
I am loving Bill. He is making the case and he is soooo good.
122.
General Stuck
LOL, windy Bill being windy. But it is amazing how much detailed wonk the man can store in his near 70 year old noggin, and recall it all in a stream of consciousness of coherent narrative to non wonks.
He is giving the country a play by play of rebuttal for republican bullshit the past 4 years on what Obama has done. He can talk like that all night long, if he wants.
123.
Omnes Omnibus
“Y’all need to listen to this, it’s really important.”
124.
MMM
Great idea Elizabelle – we could use him in WV in place of Manchin
125.
Baud
“Brass”
LOL.
126.
dmsilev
He really is the happy warrior right now, isn’t he?
127.
Violet
Ryan…SLAM. So good. Soooo good!
128.
LanceThruster
Takes brass, indeed!
129.
Poopyman
I think he’s going to make Little Paulie Ryan cry.
130.
suzanne
Paul Ruan’s gonna feel that one….
131.
Jay C
“Takes some brass…”
THAT’S gonna leave a mark!
132.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“It takes some brass…”
Paulie’s big blue eyes are gonna have at least one shiner.
133.
spiffy
Clinton is loving being up there and we are loving it even more.
134.
Elizabelle
There are two other [statements?] from Tampa that need to be addressed ..
And Clinton is addressing them, in prime time.
first, the lie about the $716 billion stolen from the Medicare Trust Fund
and naming Ryan, twice at least
“You gotta give him one thing. It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.”
Please let the local affiliates be carrying this.
But there’s more … ah, reopening the beloved donut hole.
135.
Smiling Mortician
“You gotta admit it takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.” Ha!
We interrupt this DNC liveblogging to note (if it hasn’t been mentioned here already) that Ohio Sec. of State Jon Husted has been ordered to report to the principal’s officeappear in court on 9/13. We return you now to our liveblogging.
149.
Mary G
I scared my cats because I started clapping here all by myself.
150.
artem1s
oh, I knew he would be pissed about the work requirement lie.
he’s gonna hammer them on this
151.
dmsilev
And now the welfare lie. Romney is going to regret building up Clinton as ‘the good Democrat’.
152.
Jay C
And WTF are R&R going to do to counter THIS?
OH JOY – Bill’s going off on the “welfare reform” BS _ tossing it right back in their faces with a smile. And a brick.
153.
El Cid
Damn. That was a fucking master stroke moment of emotion and timing.
154.
Comrade Luke
Clinton makes an arena feel like a small room where he’s talking directly to you. It’s an amazing talent.
155.
Poopyman
This is as close to literally vaulting the propaganda as is possible.
156.
? Martin
Comparing his delivery to the prepare speech is remarkable. He’s following the points quite closely with little additions like the ‘it takes some brass line’. So there’s no way he’s actually following the prompter, yet he’s true to the speech, and this sounds like a natural conversation.
I’m a good speaker. I give hundreds of talks, often to rooms of hundreds. I help other speakers prepare for talks. I couldn’t do this in a million years. I could try, and you’d see right through it. I’d either veer wildly off and get lost and then track too closely to the speech, I’d lose the crowd and not be able to delver the little jabs that he does. I’d certainly not sound as though I was talking to you individually.
This is a Colbert-level gift he has. I always knew he was a good speaker, but until I compared to the prepared remarks, I had no idea how good. This is almost impossibly talented.
Elizabeth Warren should have given a Bill Clinton lesson about Wall Street people demanding favors. She should have been mofo specific. Told a story with numbers.
162.
Poopyman
He is just knocking down one Republican talking point after another.
Keep going!
163.
Randy P
I love how he’s stopping to get wonky stuff across while keeping the rally atmosphere going. “Is everybody clear on this? This is important”
There’s a Twitter account – @ampriorities – that’s asking things like “Do you really believe what this adulterer is telling you?” and whatnot.
I checked out their site (here) and apparently they have a section where you can contact them to report rumors about Mitt Romney and/or the GOP, and they’ll tell you the truth.
Am I the only one getting a massive urge to troll the fuck out of this site?
171.
ChrisNYC
It really is a lovely thing, to have faith that you can throw all this wonk at people and they’ll get it. Clinton has it. Pres Obama has it too.
Yeah, that was tragic. Anyone who wasn’t going to vote for Clinton was not going to vote for Gore, and Clinton has so many talents and fans. Even so, the Supreme Court disgraced us all.
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dance around in your bones
“How did we get 4 balanced budgets in a row? Arithmetic”
I assume abc will bail at some point, but so far not yet.
I’d be curious to find out if ABC does bail on Clinton. Though ABC did some wingnutty things in 2006 and 2008, I have it on good authority that the current CEO keeps a picture of himself and President Obama on his desk.
“How did we get 4 balanced budgets in a row? Arithmetic”
When your wingnut relatives, like mine, say that the republican congress deserve the credit, tell them, “Bull. Shit.” The Republicans passed a budget he didn’t like and he told them go fuck themselves.
183.
RinaX
Uh oh, he’s slandering Zombie Regan with the debt being exploded in the 12 years prior to him taking office talk!
I always knew he was a good speaker, but until I compared to the prepared remarks, I had no idea how good. This is almost impossibly talented.
He is really something to watch. A friend of mine does stuff that takes him to the Global Initiative every year, and Clinton’s command of detail — and ability to communicate it broadly — is on display by the shedload. And that’s the kind of detail which isn’t on the standard political syllabus.
187.
El Cid
This really is a fucking masterwork of a speech.
188.
Soonergrunt
We can’t double down on ‘trickle down’!
189.
Elizabelle
I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Romney are having a very nice evening, watching all this.
Rafalca slumbers on, though.
[ooh — and good on combining arithmetic and values]
PS: WJC hasn’t mentioned Romney much by name, has he?
190.
Patricia Kayden
He’s still got it! Way past my bedtime, but worth it. Go on, President Clinton.
191.
arguingwithsignposts
voting procedures AND Medicare/Medicaid. Someone make sure Kay is still breathing.
192.
Mary G
They are going to be so sorry they started that “Obama isn’t as good as Clinton was” crap. I’ll never understand that tactic.
193.
Poopyman
Voter suppression. Yep. Every rotten Republican tactic is getting an airing.
194.
Omnes Omnibus
Now he is covering voting rights. Clinton is covering everything.
195.
mai naem
I don’t think he’s using a teleprompter.
Can we have WJC in like 500 ads. please. Purty please.
196.
jp7505a
The man could convince the passengers to get OUT of the lifeboats on the Titanic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul Ryan is keeping Rafalca up telling stories about his days as a triple crown winning jockey. And thoroughbred.
200.
Mary G
ABL says she’s going to be on Huff Post Live as soon as Clinton is done.
201.
PsiFighter37
Think he’s starting to wind it up now. Good speech, hope it didn’t get cut by the networks…
202.
Poopyman
Washington’s wooden false teeth! Four Pinnochios!
203.
Elizabelle
It is a pleasure to watch this live.
We are seeing a speech for the ages.
204.
Omnes Omnibus
Fuck me, that was good.
205.
Nina-the-first
He did it! Those repubs can’t run (a campaign or anything else), they can’t hide their dirty tricks…..No Voter Suppression! Thx for the superb policy speech Dawg!
That reminds me, WJC didn’t have time to get to climate change in his 45 minutes.
He will just have to do some more speechifying in the coming 9 weeks.
And:
DNC secretary: “Because we know that every state counts and every vote is precious.”
and Alabama chair is talking about voter suppression and dilution.
Gosh, maybe the MSM will cover it now.
234.
Bill E Pilgrim
Wolf Blizter: best speech he’s seen him give ever, been covering him since 1992 as WH correspondent
Gergen: If this electorate is still movable, he just moved it.
I’m stuck with CNN, but so those are the reax so far.
Edit: Now John King: “Love Clinton or hate him — and now there are lots in the hate column, he was a polarizing guy when he left office, and he’s redeemed himself somewhat since then, but…”
“Redeemed himself”?
That guy is such a creep.
235.
Soonergrunt
And now for the roll call, about which nobody cares, except the state delegation chairs, waiting for their moments in the sun.
236.
Cacti
George Will was practically incoherent in his remarks.
Bubba still pisses them off that much.
237.
Jay in Oregon
@Poopyman:
I was in college when I voted for Clinton both times, and wasn’t really politically minded.
So I had no idea, or had forgotten, what a fantastic speaker he was. After this speech, I was about ready to throw a pair of panties on the stage for him.
I don’t think Obama can exactly top that speech; you’d be a fool to try. But I can’t wait to see what he has in store for us.
238.
Brachiator
The media keeps claiming that the parties and the candidates won’t talk about the issues.
The Big Dog just gave you the issues.
And he tore apart, just ripped to shreds, the lie that Paul Ryan is a serious man with a serious plan.
Tore that shit up, threw it on the floor, and kicked it back in the Republican’s faces.
Big Dog Style.
239.
MikeJ
Arizona, take off your rainbow shades! Goldwater’s granddaughter casts 77 votes for Barack Obama!
240.
spiffy
Thank god I switched to cable news. The first thing ABC did was go to George Will who blasted Clinton for being too partisan.
I’m actually listening to intelligent people speak now.
241.
PurpleGirl
I remember when the roll calls went on forever because of favorite sons and split votes and you had multiple ballots.
242.
Elizabelle
C.C. Goldwater for Arizona:
“My grandfather wouldn’t recognize the Republican party today. My grandfather believed in the right to privacy, a woman’s right to choose… ” didn’t catch the third …
Now Arkansas.
243.
El Cid
Stephanie Miller’s sister!
244.
Seanly
Watching MSNBC – Douchebag Chuck Todd looks like he haz a sad. GOPper fluffer can DIAF. Seriously, I think Big Dog made Chuck Todd cry.
245.
Bostondreams
Wow Barry Goldwater’s granddaughter just cast votes for Arizona. Nice.
246.
Mr Stagger Lee
Oh that has to hurt for the conservatives Barry Goldwater’s granddaughter, casting the delegates vote for BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!
247.
eric
That was a shot across the bow of every public speaker walking the face of the earth, barack too….”I am the Big Dog.” Like Martin, I speak publicly a lot, but I could NEVER EVER EVER fantasize giving that speech.
as an art form, that was genius.
that was John Contrane shit right there. that was pure jazz.
California just cast 609 votes; DiFi, Boxer and Pelosi cast them.
Colorado …
249.
suzanne
Watching the roll call, and just saw my third-grade teacher and State Senate candidate Janie Hydrick nominating President Obama.
What a thrill.
250.
? Martin
Man, what a lineup of speakers. Michelle, Bill, and Barack. Not to take away from the other brilliant speakers like Duval – but those 3 headliners just destroy anything the GOP can offer up. I think the Dems are going to see a serious bounce out of this. This is really powerful, uplifting stuff.
251.
John
@PurpleGirl: You actually remember multiple ballots? The last time there were multiple ballots was 1952!
252.
gbear
There’s a Twitter account – @ampriorities – that’s asking things like “Do you really believe what this adulterer is telling you?” and whatnot.
That could be my sister. We spent four hours of a five hour drive in silence after she went off about how immoral Clinton was and I shot back that it’s not like republicans didn’t screw around too.
I should send her an email tomorrow saying ‘Clinton really smacked one out of the park last night, didn’t he?’
Non-hillarity would follow.
253.
Elizabelle
California and Colorado spotlighting their diversity.
And now for the roll call, about which nobody cares, except the state delegation chairs, waiting for their moments in the sun.
Followed by a half dozen commuters going on about the roll call.
Roll calls, like fezes, are cool.
255.
Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
That *thud* was the twitching, bloody carcass of the Romney/Ryan campaign hitting the floor.
256.
El Cid
NANCY SMASH!
257.
Mary G
Now all the talking heads are complaining it was way too long.
258.
eric
@gbear: send her this: “clinton may have screwed an intern, but your party screwed a nation.” let me know how it goes
259.
Suffern Ace
@spiffy: Gawk they suck. They really hate the idea of a democratic party that people appear to like for it’s own sake, not simply for the free drugs and hippy sex.
Ask her if she supports Republican David Vitter who fucked around with prostitutes and is still in office
261.
MikeJ
Hooray for abroadland! We love you!
262.
Maeve
Wow – and I say that just from watching the updates.
I couldn’t watch it on TV because my dog chewed the remote a few weeks ago- and here in semi-rural Alaska we have no broadcast TV and since the local cable channel switched to HD the only way to watch (with the minimal service 0f $24 which gets you the basic “broadcast” channels) only works with the “cable box” and their supplied remote. Which since my dog chewed (he’d got ahold of it several times but only recently chewed it so it didn’t work) doesn’t work anymore – the only channel I can get is the last one I watched which is CW.
I was considering dropping all TV to only watch streaming – but (since I live in semi-rural Alaska – not “bush” but not one of the main areas -so my “broadband” which I pay $70 a month for is at least 10 x slower than usual) doesn’t work for streaming video (depending on the technology – it works for Netflix which adjusts to lower bandwidth but not other)
But anyway – returning to the subject.
Damn – even just reading the comments – I need a cigarette (and I don’t smoke)
Man, what a lineup of speakers. Michelle, Bill, and Barack. Not to take away from the other brilliant speakers like Duval
dEval. dEval. dEval.
your 2016 nominee, so get the spelling right. ;-)
264.
Calouste
I’m watching on the XBOX and they have some interactive voting. One of the questions was whose speech was better, Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama. Clinton won 85-15 or so. And we thought yesterday Michelle was hitting it out of the park.
265.
Suffern Ace
@Mary G: I new they would. It’s what they do. Now wait for the analysis of what the length means, skipping over the substance altogether.
266.
Poopyman
@Mary G: It wouldn’t have been nearly so long if WJC hadn’t had to list a loooong litany of Republican crimes against this nation.
267.
SatanicPanic
Billy! Just catching up, didn’t get to watch it live. The Big Dog killed. I haven’t got to watch/listen to the whole convention, but boy, what an improvement over that funeral party the Republicans put on last week.
I hope Biden continues the BS debunking tomorrow night. Repeat it until our failed corporate media experiment can’t ignore the truth. Won’t be electric theatre, more like a serious convo with your favorite uncle over a beer, but need some variety.
A lot people will put more faith in Clinton than either on the ticket, but Clinton gives easy soundbites to the media celebs that are instant capsule summaries anyone can understand.
Brilliant speech.
And I love the way Clinton made it ‘look, this is personal’ towards the end. The GOP and Beltway BS pissed him off real good.
Now all the talking heads are complaining it was way too long.
Right. Because here on the West Coast, we really want to see “Big Brother.”
Too bad CBS and other stations think that a tv show is more important than the country. The opportunity for reporters has been severely cut back, and these dopes want to whine about Clinton’s speech being too long.
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Poopyman
@Mary G: Lawrence O’Donnell just mentioned that after his longest State of the Union speech which the pundits complained about it going so long, he got his biggest jump in the polls.
The pundits are idiots, the people have a better grasp of what he says.
273.
PurpleGirl
@John: You caught me, I could have sworn that multiple ballots still occurred later. But I’m quite sure favorite sons were still put into nomination later in time.
274.
tBone
Had to break a long radio silence to say – Hot. Damn. The Dawg abides, man.
I’ve never seen a 45-minute sandpaper-and-lemon-juice wedgie administered with such joy and precision. R&R are going to be walking funny for weeks.
” George Will who blasted Clinton for being too partisan. ”
Yeah, too partisan at a political convention. What an asinine thing to say. They are truly running on fumes. Damn GOP PR vehicle about to glide on into the ditch.
Another good thing about great speeches is that they force the shameless hacks willing to disgrace themselves for money to discredit themselves. The folks who watch those shows will chuckle every time Will opens his mouth over the next few weeks.
Edit: Now John King: “Love Clinton or hate him—and now there are lots in the hate column, he was a polarizing guy when he left office, and he’s redeemed himself somewhat since then, but…”
He and Choke Todd appear to have digested the idea that Clinton was disgraced and unpopular at the end of his second term, which, of course, is bullshit.
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SatanicPanic
I liked that he called the current Republicans a bunch of haters too. Sucks for the right that the guy they keep loudly suggesting Barack Obama should be more like just called them out.
282.
SW
This thing is over.
283.
Suffern Ace
I would really like Clinton and Sununu on the same program this week.
284.
Scratch
That was pretty damn good.
285.
Soonergrunt
Patton Oswalt tweeting just now:
“Release the Klinton!” — Liam Neeson, earlier this evening at the DNC, I bet
286.
Comrade Nimrod Humperdink
Good tweet I just saw: “Bill Clinton should be the Secretary of Explaining Things.”
287.
shoutingattherain
Hey admins! Howz about a new thread?
288.
kentropic
Loved the speech! But the finger-wagging, the alpha-male “after you”-“no, after you” pissing contest to be the last one off the stage and the creepy little blown kiss to somebody in the wings reminded me of his most deeply disappointing behavior while in office.
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jl
Looks like Clinton speech brought back fond memories of childhood for Josh Marshall:
11:18 PM: This is starting to remind me of when my Daddy taught me to gut and clean fish. I think we’re at scraping off the scales now.
@tBone: ’ve never seen a 45-minute sandpaper-and-lemon-juice wedgie administered with such joy and precision. R&R are going to be walking funny for weeks.
When you break radio silence you do it with elan. Excellent.
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Elizabelle
Never mind us being pleased with the speech and convention —
Think of the young people watching this, in their teens and 20s and 30s.
This convention is cementing a fresh generation of Democrats and people open to supporting Democrats.
Have never seen such a divide between the demographics and policies on display at the conventions.
And John King says Bill Clinton was polarizing.
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ChrisNYC
The butthurt tomorrow is going to be delectable! Halperin may just outright sob.
The roll call is a lot of fun. In 08, they called in the delegates for the roll call but it was one big security line and we were mixed in. We were afraid we were going to miss it. A media person persuaded the security people to let us cut in line so we could do the voice vote. You do the actual written ballot earlier in the day.
The reporter was great. He was like “they have to get in there! They have to do this thing!”
You sort of lose track of the whole point of the excercise, just wandering around, waiting in various lines. We were like “oh, yeah, the VOTING thing!”
The chairman of the OH Dem Party, Chris Redfern, was hissing at us. “DON’T embarrass me”
I have no idea what embarrassing thing he thought we were planning. A coup to remove him? I don’t know.
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MikeBoyScout
ROLL LANDSLIDE!
Republican secret weapon; Ann Romney.
Democratic secret weapon; Arithmetic.
Team blue rox!
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spiffy
Even Matthew Dowd and Steven Schmitt said the speech was great. Schmitt even said he wished the Republicans had someone like Clinton the RNC side.
John King was dropped on his head as a baby. Nobody who actually saw the speech is going to pay any attention to that empty suit.
It’s about time somebody “polarized” this campaign by pointing out FACTS.
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Bill E Pilgrim
@pseudonymous in nc: They have a hard time distinguishing between “everyone in the country” and “the other handful of Villagers who tell me what to think and vice versa”.
Clinton’s approval rating when he left office was around 67%. Yeah, “polarizing” as hell, John King.
“Highest end-of-office approval rating of any U.S. president since World War II” Wikipedia tells me.
But if Reagan had a third term, he would have been totally incompetent due to his dementia. Sad, but true, that he was loosing it during his second term.
I know I should know that reference, but it’s not coming to me.
“There you go again” — using dull facts, instead of cheerful uplifting lies — is celebrated as one of St. Reagan’s great quotes from his debate with Carter. Clinton didn’t just steal the line, he inverted the wingnuts’ meme about ‘feelings’ being more important in politics than… arithmetic!
We’d be happy with comments 1/10th as good ten times more often.
Just when I think I’m out, they pull me back in…
Too many IRL obligations these days to waste as much time here as I used to, but I’ll probably be popping my head up more as we head into the home stretch of the campaign. Half of my friends and relatives on Facebook love posting drooling RNC propaganda, so I need something to keep me from Eastwooding them.
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kamalokitty
Holy fuckin A Mutha Fuckahs!
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mai naem
Elvis is in Da House
shoutingattherain
Big Dog ain’t as big as he usetabee…
WereBear
I believe he’s still got it.
mai naem
Elvis is in Da House
Elizabelle
The Vegan is in the house.
Rey
Big Dawwwwg!!!
Bnut
I would listen to Bill Clinton talk about moss on a rock.
Comrade Mary
@shoutingattherain: As I said in the last thread, he went vegan after his heart issues and he got skinny.
artem1s
oh, he is still the king
Omnes Omnibus
Nice start.
? Martin
Man, do we love our first lady or what?
Jay C
@shoutingattherain:
That vegan diet seems to have worked…
arguingwithsignposts
I want to nominate the man who was smart enough to marry Michelle Obama. Killer.
Elizabelle
He went there.
“Alternative universe.”
artem1s
alternative universe!
Smiling Mortician
He’s still got it.
The raspy voice reminds me of 20 years ago. The man loves campaigning.
dance around in your bones
Hahahaha: “born in a log cabin he built himself”
“We’re all in this together”
Bring on the job statistics, B. Dawg :)
El Cid
I think this particular evil clown parade of Republicans actually pissed Bill Clinton off, personally. He’s been pretty fucking pissed off recently about the voter suppression and the ‘welfare waiver’ lies.
Violet
Bill is just so good. He’s got that crowd eating on the edges of their seats.
shoutingattherain
Yeah I’ll say that vegan diet worked gud, but it hasn’t diminished his ability to connect.
Randy P
He looks great.
And here’s the policy stuff. Jobs score over last 50 years: 44 millions to 22 million or something like that.
ETA: Hmm. He’s preaching cooperation. Haven’t we seen how that works? He admits that the current Republicans won’t ever cooperate, so why try any more?
Mary G
OOOOO…the way they hate our President. Tell it.
PsiFighter37
Preach it Bill
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Never realized how much I missed Bubba.
mark
i had something snarky to say, but on second thought, i’ll keep it to myself and just enjoy the speech
Smiling Mortician
“The way the far right seems to hate our president. That would be impossible for me.” Tell it, Bill.
Violet
@arguingwithsignposts: That was an awesome line. The applause for Michelle was something else. She looked embarrassed.
Jay C
Shoutout to Repubs from Ike onwards… but hitting the current assclowns on “cooperation”. “get something done”.
? Martin
@Randy P: 42m to 24m. One Pinocchio for you.
dance around in your bones
“What works in the REAL WORLD is co-operation”
You go, Dawg B.
artem1s
We spend our fleeting lives between those two extremes.
Soonergrunt
And now after talking about how cooperation is important, and getting the DNC to applaud George W. Bush, he’s going after the wingers, hammer and tongs.
Bostondreams
The only convention to praise W. was Democratic. That is just…well, it says something, doesn’t it?
Violet
Biden! Yay, Joe! And now a Hillary shout out and standing ovation! Yay!
artem1s
shout out for madame secretary!
Omnes Omnibus
So who was worried that Bill would not come through? This is a barnburner.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Speaking well of GWB was a class act, IMO.
Mary G
The only convention to even say GWB’s name at all was the Dems.
WereBear
I did not doubt him for a moment. He’s had some rocky years, but he pure-D loves this kind of thing.
spiffy
@Omnes Omnibus:
I was one of those people and I am hanging my head in shame.
Clinton has been awesome tonight.
Baud
Twitter says Bill is way off his prepared speech.
NotMax
Obama has got to be backstage. Empty seat next to FLOTUS.
Soonergrunt
Twitter is going crazy from all the people who have advance copies of the speech saying “that wasn’t in the speech” and “that’s an ad-lib”
That’s the Big Dog!
Jay C
National Security, the troops and military families – did we hear anything like this from the RNC, or just saber-rattling?
Smiling Mortician
“Heck, he even appointed Hillary . . . democracy doesn’t have to be a blood sport.” Nicely done.
David Koch
Who’s the hot older blonde sitting next to Chelsea?
Randy P
Anybody wondering about Barney Frank, C-Span is now showing him scheduled for 10:59, just before the roll call vote.
arguingwithsignposts
If Mitch McConnell weren’t such a clueless moron, he’d be realizing about now how he fucked up when he said that four years ago.
Omnes Omnibus
Big Dog ain’t pullin’ no punches.
ruemara
Fun to watch my much younger friends. They call him the silver fox and are just thrilled with him. Go Big Dawg.
NotMax
Interesting. No flag lapel pin.
? Martin
@Baud: Yeah, being President lets you do that.
WereBear
@Soonergrunt: He probably handed out a copy he’s not working from?
No teleprompter jokes for this known orator.
Mary G
Preach it, Brother Bill!
suzanne
The vegan thing is working for Big Dog.
I miss Big Dog. He always looked like being President was FUN.
Violet
This speech is a thing of beauty. He’s having a great time up therre.
? Martin
@NotMax: You know, we’ve never seen Clinton’s birth certificate.
He does talk kind of funny, you know.
dmsilev
For some odd reason, I don’t believe George W Bush gave a comparable speech last week.
Wonder why?
artem1s
oh snap, he didn’t just invoke Zombie Raygun!
Violet
Reagan shoutout! Yeah!
mark
jeebis crisp, the big dog is KILLING! you can just _*FEEL*_ he misses the big stage! could he serve in obama cabinet somewhere in the next term? that would be awesome
arguingwithsignposts
“There they go again” – Clinton is just trolling now.
Mr Stagger Lee
The people are sure enjoying this, not like the GOP where the peoples’ looks alternated between sucking lemons, and red meat hate.
Jay C
“There they go again!”
and a positive spin on Obama’s Admin….
spiffy
The Republicans are all going to wake up with unexplained cuts and bruises tomorrow – that is how hard Clinton is hitting them tonight.
Some Loser
“There they go again.”
You magnificent bastard.
Ben D.
Stealing one of their favorite lines from Reagan. FUCK YEAH!
ChrisNYC
I’m loving the intermittent “now.” Just so wild that he can talk to so many people like he’s talking to just one.
dance around in your bones
“As another President once said, There they go again!”
Hahahaha!
Bill’s kickin’ ass.
joel hanes
No flag lapel pin
Your flag lapel won’t get you
Into heaven any more
Omnes Omnibus
Jamison Foser @jamisonfoser
Clinton’s basically putting on a Springsteen show: Ditched the setlist, gonna go way over-schedule, rapt crowd.
Bostondreams
If there were no 22 Amendment, this man would have been President for quite a while, I think.
Poopyman
@David Koch: Secret Service?
El Cid
What I think helps with Bill’s speech is that he genuinely admires what Obama was able to do.
RareSanity
@Violet:
He loves the biggest of stages…and we love him for that.
He’s like Michael Jordan, if the last shot of game 7 is in his hands…game over, Bulls win.
? Martin
Man, he’s fucking fantastic at this.
muddy
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
Yes, and also said how great to work with him on Katrina. It was kind of a stealth burn.
Violet
Big Dog’s giving me chills. So good. Love him.
eric
Big A$$ Dawg
General Stuck
BiG Dog delivers. Bullseye on the Reagan quip of “there they go again”. The entire convention so far has been to me a coming out of dems and what they believe, giving a big middle finger to the republicans. I bet the mean little shits are in a fit of vapors over it all. How dare democrats support themselves.
suzanne
A great mix of calls to action, passion, and nitty-gritty details. And humor.
Mary G
Bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, two outs, two strikes…and Clinton hits the walk-off home run.
Poopyman
Zeeee-ro!
artem1s
rope a dope
Chris
@Bostondreams:
I think Ike, Reagan and Clinton are the three who would totally have pulled off a third term if it weren’t for that amendment.
PsiFighter37
@Bostondreams: To be fair, people were a bit sick of him in 2000. But if he could’ve run again? No doubt. The man lives for this.
LanceThruster
Rock on, Big Dog!
eric
I told you..this is his LAST major speech ever unless his wife gets nomination and that is not a sure thing that she wants it.
This is his legacy. The final redemptive moment.
KG
@mark: Let’s find a way to make him Secretary General of the UN… I would love to see the GOP reaction to tht
Elizabelle
Congressional Republicans? ZEEE-Ro.
dance around in your bones
Killin’ it Bill, Vol 2.
artem1s
There they go again… so it’s gonna be pretty hard for the Mittster to use that during the debates. So much for this week’s debate prep.
Randy P
Clinton was always famous for going way overtime… looks like he’s blowing through his time slot tonight.
Poopyman
Think they’re going to cut him off to go to local news? Be interesting to see.
Omnes Omnibus
@dance around in your bones: Win.
Ron
Damn, he’s killing it. and I don’t believe this will be he last speech. I suspect he will be a regular at the DNC for a while to come.
Jay C
Love the “job score” stuff —
ZEEE-RO!!!!
Heh
hhex65
Congressional Republicans: ZEEEEEEEERO
Maude
@arguingwithsignposts:
He’s rotten to the core.
Violet
How over time is he going to go?
Elizabelle
I wish they’d deploy him to states that desperately need a Democratic senator.
Perhaps he could help pull Elizabeth Warren over the finish line in Massachusetts. Wonder how he might do in Missouri for McCaskill?
PsiFighter37
Also, is he just improvising this whole speech? Reading elsewhere that he’s off-prompter
RareSanity
The crowd at the DNC convention isn’t just more diverse, it’s better looking by a long shot…
suzanne
I shook Big Dog’s hand once in 2008. Will never forget it.
KG
@KG: Nevermind, SG can’t be from a security council permanent member
Omnes Omnibus
@Violet: As far as he wants. How many living ex-presidents are there? How many are currently sober enough to give a speech?
WereBear
OMG, he is just fantastic. He always could communicate how much he cared.
dmsilev
@Poopyman: I’m watching on broadcast, and he’s still on even two minutes after the hour. I assume abc will bail at some point, but so far not yet.
dance around in your bones
@Omnes Omnibus: :)
It’s true, though, no? I don’t care how overtime he goes, he’s slicin’ and dicin’.
bupalos
Big Dog is ALL IN.
Elizabelle
And now we get to healthcare.
Enumerating, simply, the benefits of ObamaCare.
El Cid
He’s really the best at taking what are often complicated-seeming policies and making them comprehensible and politically clear.
Mr Stagger Lee
@KG: The Rush-Cam would be messy from the head exploding. Glenn Beck would make Alex Jones and Art Bell look like David Brooks. Hannity, Coulter, and the Faux News Boobs would have their faces melt ala Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
MMM
He would still be President today. And the US would look quite different (i.e., better).
eric
Brooks got his policy talk, eff him
NotMax
@KG
Guidelines developed over the life of the U.N. are that the Secretary-General officeholder changes by continent every time a new one is chosen, and that he/she not be a citizen of any nation designated a permanent member of the Security Council.
Mary G
Prepared remarks as released before the speech.
I’m not following along word for word, but at a glance it doesn’t seem that different.
Soonergrunt
People are going nuts for what is essentially “A History of Changes and Alterations to the Federal Regulatory Code.”
How in the HELL did Bob Dole EVER think he stood a chance in 1996?
El Cid
So, what’s all this from Republicans about how Obama and the Democrats can’t talk about what they’ve done?
LanceThruster
I keep contrasting in my mind Mitt’s phony speech class facial expressions and the Big Dog’s genuinely engaged demeanor.
How great to see a party proud of their predecessors and not part of (as Maher put it) the witness protection program.
It’s too bad Pres. Jimmy Carter could not add his voice to the mix (the rethug meme is still Kryptonite).
Violet
I am loving Bill. He is making the case and he is soooo good.
General Stuck
LOL, windy Bill being windy. But it is amazing how much detailed wonk the man can store in his near 70 year old noggin, and recall it all in a stream of consciousness of coherent narrative to non wonks.
He is giving the country a play by play of rebuttal for republican bullshit the past 4 years on what Obama has done. He can talk like that all night long, if he wants.
Omnes Omnibus
“Y’all need to listen to this, it’s really important.”
MMM
Great idea Elizabelle – we could use him in WV in place of Manchin
Baud
“Brass”
LOL.
dmsilev
He really is the happy warrior right now, isn’t he?
Violet
Ryan…SLAM. So good. Soooo good!
LanceThruster
Takes brass, indeed!
Poopyman
I think he’s going to make Little Paulie Ryan cry.
suzanne
Paul Ruan’s gonna feel that one….
Jay C
“Takes some brass…”
THAT’S gonna leave a mark!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“It takes some brass…”
Paulie’s big blue eyes are gonna have at least one shiner.
spiffy
Clinton is loving being up there and we are loving it even more.
Elizabelle
There are two other [statements?] from Tampa that need to be addressed ..
And Clinton is addressing them, in prime time.
first, the lie about the $716 billion stolen from the Medicare Trust Fund
and naming Ryan, twice at least
“You gotta give him one thing. It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.”
Please let the local affiliates be carrying this.
But there’s more … ah, reopening the beloved donut hole.
Smiling Mortician
“You gotta admit it takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.” Ha!
ETA: Shit, y’all are fast.
suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: LOVE HIM.
jl
Is “takes some brass” uncivil?
El Cid
Fucking A!
arguingwithsignposts
How many times has he said a variation of “listen to me now”?
suzanne
“Folks, this is serious.”
Baud
Kay will be thrilled. She’s been talking about Medicaid forever.
tam
“on this ONE issue” lol
Comrade Luke
“It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did” will be the quote of the convention.
Violet
He is speaking TRUTH. You can see it. You can feel it. Preach it, Bill!
WereBear
We can’t let it happen.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Soonergrunt: Really well said.
I keep expecting to hear “Now, there seems to be a lot of confusion on this next question, so listen up…”
People are rapt though. Works completely. Like the best teacher you ever had. Better.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Anyone else following Sullivan’s live blog?
The former Clinton-hater is smitten.
We’ll make a Democrat of the old Tory yet.
Ash Can
We interrupt this DNC liveblogging to note (if it hasn’t been mentioned here already) that Ohio Sec. of State Jon Husted has been ordered to
report to the principal’s officeappear in court on 9/13. We return you now to our liveblogging.Mary G
I scared my cats because I started clapping here all by myself.
artem1s
oh, I knew he would be pissed about the work requirement lie.
he’s gonna hammer them on this
dmsilev
And now the welfare lie. Romney is going to regret building up Clinton as ‘the good Democrat’.
Jay C
And WTF are R&R going to do to counter THIS?
OH JOY – Bill’s going off on the “welfare reform” BS _ tossing it right back in their faces with a smile. And a brick.
El Cid
Damn. That was a fucking master stroke moment of emotion and timing.
Comrade Luke
Clinton makes an arena feel like a small room where he’s talking directly to you. It’s an amazing talent.
Poopyman
This is as close to literally vaulting the propaganda as is possible.
? Martin
Comparing his delivery to the prepare speech is remarkable. He’s following the points quite closely with little additions like the ‘it takes some brass line’. So there’s no way he’s actually following the prompter, yet he’s true to the speech, and this sounds like a natural conversation.
I’m a good speaker. I give hundreds of talks, often to rooms of hundreds. I help other speakers prepare for talks. I couldn’t do this in a million years. I could try, and you’d see right through it. I’d either veer wildly off and get lost and then track too closely to the speech, I’d lose the crowd and not be able to delver the little jabs that he does. I’d certainly not sound as though I was talking to you individually.
This is a Colbert-level gift he has. I always knew he was a good speaker, but until I compared to the prepared remarks, I had no idea how good. This is almost impossibly talented.
Omnes Omnibus
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God: Until some butch republican says something.
mark
this is fing amazing. even for bill
suzanne
OH, SNAP.
“Finally, I can say, that IS true.”
Violet
Ha! Fact checkers! R&R, you’ve been OWNED!
Dave
Elizabeth Warren should have given a Bill Clinton lesson about Wall Street people demanding favors. She should have been mofo specific. Told a story with numbers.
Poopyman
He is just knocking down one Republican talking point after another.
Keep going!
Randy P
I love how he’s stopping to get wonky stuff across while keeping the rally atmosphere going. “Is everybody clear on this? This is important”
arguingwithsignposts
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
Silly isn’t thinking with his upper head. Don’t be fooled. He was having the vapors all night because of the estrogen on stage.
shoutingattherain
The Big Dog just ain’t gonna ever shut up. Good.
Elizabelle
“We are not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”
And finally I can say — That IS true.
(First sentence might be first time FoxWorld — the alternative universe — hears of that little claim.)
MMM
Brings back the feelings of “what if” Mr. Gore had not distanced himself from President Clinton…..
muddy
Nice of the msnbc camera to zoom in on that woman’s Medicare card.
El Cid
In 2008 Bill Clinton was still the best at making complex policy notions into some real, appealing, understandable concepts.
Peregrinus
There’s a Twitter account – @ampriorities – that’s asking things like “Do you really believe what this adulterer is telling you?” and whatnot.
I checked out their site (here) and apparently they have a section where you can contact them to report rumors about Mitt Romney and/or the GOP, and they’ll tell you the truth.
Am I the only one getting a massive urge to troll the fuck out of this site?
ChrisNYC
It really is a lovely thing, to have faith that you can throw all this wonk at people and they’ll get it. Clinton has it. Pres Obama has it too.
joel hanes
@Maude:
[ Mitch McConnell is ] rotten to the core.
Damn. The resemblance to Crabby Appleton had never ocurred to me before, but you’re absolutely right.
Poopyman
Big shout out to arithmetic! Yay!
suzanne
ARITHMETIC.
Ooooohhhhhh.
dmsilev
Arithmetic, like facts, has a liberal bias.
Elizabelle
@MMM:
Yeah, that was tragic. Anyone who wasn’t going to vote for Clinton was not going to vote for Gore, and Clinton has so many talents and fans. Even so, the Supreme Court disgraced us all.
dance around in your bones
“How did we get 4 balanced budgets in a row? Arithmetic”
Haw de haw haw!!
gnomedad
Bubba for press secretary!
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
I’d be curious to find out if ABC does bail on Clinton. Though ABC did some wingnutty things in 2006 and 2008, I have it on good authority that the current CEO keeps a picture of himself and President Obama on his desk.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@Omnes Omnibus:
Are there any butch Republicans left these days?
(ducks)
Humanities Grad
So…it appears that Bill hasn’t lost anything off his fastball, evidently?
MikeJ
@dance around in your bones:
When your wingnut relatives, like mine, say that the republican congress deserve the credit, tell them, “Bull. Shit.” The Republicans passed a budget he didn’t like and he told them go fuck themselves.
RinaX
Uh oh, he’s slandering Zombie Regan with the debt being exploded in the 12 years prior to him taking office talk!
Poopyman
Meh! He’s only 20 minutes over, so far.
dmsilev
Double down on trickle down. Sounds kinky.
pseudonymous in nc
@? Martin:
He is really something to watch. A friend of mine does stuff that takes him to the Global Initiative every year, and Clinton’s command of detail — and ability to communicate it broadly — is on display by the shedload. And that’s the kind of detail which isn’t on the standard political syllabus.
El Cid
This really is a fucking masterwork of a speech.
Soonergrunt
We can’t double down on ‘trickle down’!
Elizabelle
I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Romney are having a very nice evening, watching all this.
Rafalca slumbers on, though.
[ooh — and good on combining arithmetic and values]
PS: WJC hasn’t mentioned Romney much by name, has he?
Patricia Kayden
He’s still got it! Way past my bedtime, but worth it. Go on, President Clinton.
arguingwithsignposts
voting procedures AND Medicare/Medicaid. Someone make sure Kay is still breathing.
Mary G
They are going to be so sorry they started that “Obama isn’t as good as Clinton was” crap. I’ll never understand that tactic.
Poopyman
Voter suppression. Yep. Every rotten Republican tactic is getting an airing.
Omnes Omnibus
Now he is covering voting rights. Clinton is covering everything.
mai naem
I don’t think he’s using a teleprompter.
Can we have WJC in like 500 ads. please. Purty please.
jp7505a
The man could convince the passengers to get OUT of the lifeboats on the Titanic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
El Cid
Oh, here we go.
dmsilev
@Poopyman: I think he’s almost done.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle:
Paul Ryan is keeping Rafalca up telling stories about his days as a triple crown winning jockey. And thoroughbred.
Mary G
ABL says she’s going to be on Huff Post Live as soon as Clinton is done.
PsiFighter37
Think he’s starting to wind it up now. Good speech, hope it didn’t get cut by the networks…
Poopyman
Washington’s wooden false teeth! Four Pinnochios!
Elizabelle
It is a pleasure to watch this live.
We are seeing a speech for the ages.
Omnes Omnibus
Fuck me, that was good.
Nina-the-first
He did it! Those repubs can’t run (a campaign or anything else), they can’t hide their dirty tricks…..No Voter Suppression! Thx for the superb policy speech Dawg!
Poopyman
What, he’s done already?
And there’s the big O.
LanceThruster
Wow! Just wow!
Petty’s “Won’t Back Down” rips!
Mr Stagger Lee
OK MSM where is the conflict?
WereBear
NOTHING BUT NET!
SiubhanDuinne
OMG. ” Don’t stop thinkin’ about tomorrow.”
Just.So.Fucking.AWESOMEGREAT.
MikeJ
@mai naem:
He’s on every time I turn on my teevee already. And I’m ok with that.
psycholinguist
And he walks off under tom petty – the big dog abides.
NotMax
The bow to Obama was a little unusual.
Omnes Omnibus
… here is Barack. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has done a great job.
spiffy
George Will is screaming bloody murder over Clinton’s speech – I’m loving it
MMM
I think we now have the game plan….
PsiFighter37
People there look seriously amped
Elizabelle
Democrats in Disarray.
There you go, Adam Nagorney.
Matt Bai — you called it, didn’t you, buddy?
mdblanche
I need a cigarette.
I hear a Tom Petty song playing in the background. Think the Democrats will get hit with a cease and desist order too?
Poopyman
Forty five plus minutes and he left everyone wanting more.
Frickin’ amazing.
? Martin
Man, Tweety has such a boner right now.
eric
there is a reason he is the Big Dog. That was the finest speech (as Martin has noted) that I have ever seen. Speech as techne…that was insane
mai naem
@Elizabelle: Ann and Mitt are spending night two drinking. They’re new to the drinking thing so big hangover tomorrow.
Mary G
I might have to start smoking again.
Arm The Homeless
Mark Shield’s cheek wants to eat his microphone…
Fuuuuuughhhhhh. Big Dog! I hate that I like the guy.
I need a smoke
LanceThruster
[holds up cigarette lighter] Encorrrrrrrre!
Killjoy
Wolf Blitzer got a tingle up his leg and saw starbursts after the Big Dog’s speech.
dance around in your bones
@MikeJ:
I’m so lucky that I don’t HAVE any wingnut relatives (my dad had a stroke and can’t spout wingnut anymore) but I feel for all y’all that DO have them.
P.S. I loved the way Obama came out to give a man-hug to The Big Dawg and they walked off the stage together.
This convention has just been stellar so far.
El Cid
Holy shit that was good.
Comrade Nimrod Humperdink
Big Dog took the Goopers back behind the woodshed… Man’s still got it, and then some…
MikeJ
I love the roll call!
Comrade Luke
Using Clinton to debunk the Republicans bullshit directly, point by point, is an interesting game plan.
Elizabelle
@spiffy:
George Will?
That reminds me, WJC didn’t have time to get to climate change in his 45 minutes.
He will just have to do some more speechifying in the coming 9 weeks.
And:
DNC secretary: “Because we know that every state counts and every vote is precious.”
and Alabama chair is talking about voter suppression and dilution.
Gosh, maybe the MSM will cover it now.
Bill E Pilgrim
Wolf Blizter: best speech he’s seen him give ever, been covering him since 1992 as WH correspondent
Gergen: If this electorate is still movable, he just moved it.
I’m stuck with CNN, but so those are the reax so far.
Edit: Now John King: “Love Clinton or hate him — and now there are lots in the hate column, he was a polarizing guy when he left office, and he’s redeemed himself somewhat since then, but…”
“Redeemed himself”?
That guy is such a creep.
Soonergrunt
And now for the roll call, about which nobody cares, except the state delegation chairs, waiting for their moments in the sun.
Cacti
George Will was practically incoherent in his remarks.
Bubba still pisses them off that much.
Jay in Oregon
@Poopyman:
I was in college when I voted for Clinton both times, and wasn’t really politically minded.
So I had no idea, or had forgotten, what a fantastic speaker he was. After this speech, I was about ready to throw a pair of panties on the stage for him.
I don’t think Obama can exactly top that speech; you’d be a fool to try. But I can’t wait to see what he has in store for us.
Brachiator
The media keeps claiming that the parties and the candidates won’t talk about the issues.
The Big Dog just gave you the issues.
And he tore apart, just ripped to shreds, the lie that Paul Ryan is a serious man with a serious plan.
Tore that shit up, threw it on the floor, and kicked it back in the Republican’s faces.
Big Dog Style.
MikeJ
Arizona, take off your rainbow shades! Goldwater’s granddaughter casts 77 votes for Barack Obama!
spiffy
Thank god I switched to cable news. The first thing ABC did was go to George Will who blasted Clinton for being too partisan.
I’m actually listening to intelligent people speak now.
PurpleGirl
I remember when the roll calls went on forever because of favorite sons and split votes and you had multiple ballots.
Elizabelle
C.C. Goldwater for Arizona:
“My grandfather wouldn’t recognize the Republican party today. My grandfather believed in the right to privacy, a woman’s right to choose… ” didn’t catch the third …
Now Arkansas.
El Cid
Stephanie Miller’s sister!
Seanly
Watching MSNBC – Douchebag Chuck Todd looks like he haz a sad. GOPper fluffer can DIAF. Seriously, I think Big Dog made Chuck Todd cry.
Bostondreams
Wow Barry Goldwater’s granddaughter just cast votes for Arizona. Nice.
Mr Stagger Lee
Oh that has to hurt for the conservatives Barry Goldwater’s granddaughter, casting the delegates vote for BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!
eric
That was a shot across the bow of every public speaker walking the face of the earth, barack too….”I am the Big Dog.” Like Martin, I speak publicly a lot, but I could NEVER EVER EVER fantasize giving that speech.
as an art form, that was genius.
that was John Contrane shit right there. that was pure jazz.
Elizabelle
@Seanly:
I have a sad that you’re watching Chuck Todd.
Go get a beer or something, dude.
C-Span has the (interminable) roll call on now.
California just cast 609 votes; DiFi, Boxer and Pelosi cast them.
Colorado …
suzanne
Watching the roll call, and just saw my third-grade teacher and State Senate candidate Janie Hydrick nominating President Obama.
What a thrill.
? Martin
Man, what a lineup of speakers. Michelle, Bill, and Barack. Not to take away from the other brilliant speakers like Duval – but those 3 headliners just destroy anything the GOP can offer up. I think the Dems are going to see a serious bounce out of this. This is really powerful, uplifting stuff.
John
@PurpleGirl: You actually remember multiple ballots? The last time there were multiple ballots was 1952!
gbear
That could be my sister. We spent four hours of a five hour drive in silence after she went off about how immoral Clinton was and I shot back that it’s not like republicans didn’t screw around too.
I should send her an email tomorrow saying ‘Clinton really smacked one out of the park last night, didn’t he?’
Non-hillarity would follow.
Elizabelle
California and Colorado spotlighting their diversity.
Wyoming glad it doesn’t have to follow that.
MikeJ
@Soonergrunt:
Followed by a half dozen commuters going on about the roll call.
Roll calls, like fezes, are cool.
Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
That *thud* was the twitching, bloody carcass of the Romney/Ryan campaign hitting the floor.
El Cid
NANCY SMASH!
Mary G
Now all the talking heads are complaining it was way too long.
eric
@gbear: send her this: “clinton may have screwed an intern, but your party screwed a nation.” let me know how it goes
Suffern Ace
@spiffy: Gawk they suck. They really hate the idea of a democratic party that people appear to like for it’s own sake, not simply for the free drugs and hippy sex.
spiffy
@gbear:
Ask her if she supports Republican David Vitter who fucked around with prostitutes and is still in office
MikeJ
Hooray for abroadland! We love you!
Maeve
Wow – and I say that just from watching the updates.
I couldn’t watch it on TV because my dog chewed the remote a few weeks ago- and here in semi-rural Alaska we have no broadcast TV and since the local cable channel switched to HD the only way to watch (with the minimal service 0f $24 which gets you the basic “broadcast” channels) only works with the “cable box” and their supplied remote. Which since my dog chewed (he’d got ahold of it several times but only recently chewed it so it didn’t work) doesn’t work anymore – the only channel I can get is the last one I watched which is CW.
I was considering dropping all TV to only watch streaming – but (since I live in semi-rural Alaska – not “bush” but not one of the main areas -so my “broadband” which I pay $70 a month for is at least 10 x slower than usual) doesn’t work for streaming video (depending on the technology – it works for Netflix which adjusts to lower bandwidth but not other)
But anyway – returning to the subject.
Damn – even just reading the comments – I need a cigarette (and I don’t smoke)
Bostondreams
@? Martin:
dEval. dEval. dEval.
your 2016 nominee, so get the spelling right. ;-)
Calouste
I’m watching on the XBOX and they have some interactive voting. One of the questions was whose speech was better, Bill Clinton or Michelle Obama. Clinton won 85-15 or so. And we thought yesterday Michelle was hitting it out of the park.
Suffern Ace
@Mary G: I new they would. It’s what they do. Now wait for the analysis of what the length means, skipping over the substance altogether.
Poopyman
@Mary G: It wouldn’t have been nearly so long if WJC hadn’t had to list a loooong litany of Republican crimes against this nation.
SatanicPanic
Billy! Just catching up, didn’t get to watch it live. The Big Dog killed. I haven’t got to watch/listen to the whole convention, but boy, what an improvement over that funeral party the Republicans put on last week.
Peregrinus
@ChrisNYC:
Clinton was at my school for alumni weekend last year. He killed it then, too. Nothing but policy for the better part of an hour.
Maude
@PurpleGirl:
Do they do the nomination now?
jl
I hope Biden continues the BS debunking tomorrow night. Repeat it until our failed corporate media experiment can’t ignore the truth. Won’t be electric theatre, more like a serious convo with your favorite uncle over a beer, but need some variety.
A lot people will put more faith in Clinton than either on the ticket, but Clinton gives easy soundbites to the media celebs that are instant capsule summaries anyone can understand.
Brilliant speech.
And I love the way Clinton made it ‘look, this is personal’ towards the end. The GOP and Beltway BS pissed him off real good.
Brachiator
@Mary G:
Right. Because here on the West Coast, we really want to see “Big Brother.”
Too bad CBS and other stations think that a tv show is more important than the country. The opportunity for reporters has been severely cut back, and these dopes want to whine about Clinton’s speech being too long.
Poopyman
@Mary G: Lawrence O’Donnell just mentioned that after his longest State of the Union speech which the pundits complained about it going so long, he got his biggest jump in the polls.
The pundits are idiots, the people have a better grasp of what he says.
PurpleGirl
@John: You caught me, I could have sworn that multiple ballots still occurred later. But I’m quite sure favorite sons were still put into nomination later in time.
tBone
Had to break a long radio silence to say – Hot. Damn. The Dawg abides, man.
I’ve never seen a 45-minute sandpaper-and-lemon-juice wedgie administered with such joy and precision. R&R are going to be walking funny for weeks.
mark
GUAM!!
Elizabelle
“Hawaii. The president’s birthplace.”
tee hee
jl
@spiffy:
” George Will who blasted Clinton for being too partisan. ”
Yeah, too partisan at a political convention. What an asinine thing to say. They are truly running on fumes. Damn GOP PR vehicle about to glide on into the ditch.
Another good thing about great speeches is that they force the shameless hacks willing to disgrace themselves for money to discredit themselves. The folks who watch those shows will chuckle every time Will opens his mouth over the next few weeks.
MikeJ
Hawai’i!
And a pic for the big dog.
Cacti
Clinton just slurped down Ryan’s milkshake, took a bite of his cheeseburger, and belched contemptuously in his direction.
pseudonymous in nc
@Bill E Pilgrim:
He and Choke Todd appear to have digested the idea that Clinton was disgraced and unpopular at the end of his second term, which, of course, is bullshit.
SatanicPanic
I liked that he called the current Republicans a bunch of haters too. Sucks for the right that the guy they keep loudly suggesting Barack Obama should be more like just called them out.
SW
This thing is over.
Suffern Ace
I would really like Clinton and Sununu on the same program this week.
Scratch
That was pretty damn good.
Soonergrunt
Patton Oswalt tweeting just now:
“Release the Klinton!” — Liam Neeson, earlier this evening at the DNC, I bet
Comrade Nimrod Humperdink
Good tweet I just saw: “Bill Clinton should be the Secretary of Explaining Things.”
shoutingattherain
Hey admins! Howz about a new thread?
kentropic
Loved the speech! But the finger-wagging, the alpha-male “after you”-“no, after you” pissing contest to be the last one off the stage and the creepy little blown kiss to somebody in the wings reminded me of his most deeply disappointing behavior while in office.
jl
Looks like Clinton speech brought back fond memories of childhood for Josh Marshall:
11:18 PM: This is starting to remind me of when my Daddy taught me to gut and clean fish. I think we’re at scraping off the scales now.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/clinton_live_blogging.php
scav
When you break radio silence you do it with elan. Excellent.
Elizabelle
Never mind us being pleased with the speech and convention —
Think of the young people watching this, in their teens and 20s and 30s.
This convention is cementing a fresh generation of Democrats and people open to supporting Democrats.
Have never seen such a divide between the demographics and policies on display at the conventions.
And John King says Bill Clinton was polarizing.
ChrisNYC
The butthurt tomorrow is going to be delectable! Halperin may just outright sob.
kay
@suzanne:
The roll call is a lot of fun. In 08, they called in the delegates for the roll call but it was one big security line and we were mixed in. We were afraid we were going to miss it. A media person persuaded the security people to let us cut in line so we could do the voice vote. You do the actual written ballot earlier in the day.
The reporter was great. He was like “they have to get in there! They have to do this thing!”
You sort of lose track of the whole point of the excercise, just wandering around, waiting in various lines. We were like “oh, yeah, the VOTING thing!”
The chairman of the OH Dem Party, Chris Redfern, was hissing at us. “DON’T embarrass me”
I have no idea what embarrassing thing he thought we were planning. A coup to remove him? I don’t know.
MikeBoyScout
ROLL LANDSLIDE!
Republican secret weapon; Ann Romney.
Democratic secret weapon; Arithmetic.
Team blue rox!
spiffy
Even Matthew Dowd and Steven Schmitt said the speech was great. Schmitt even said he wished the Republicans had someone like Clinton the RNC side.
MikeJ
The Wichita State Shockers?
dance around in your bones
Fuck Chuck.
Fuck Chuck Todd.
Just – fuck him – make him squeal like a pig.
(Sorry, I have been inadvisedly watching him on MSNBC).
Poopyman
: @Elizabelle:
John King was dropped on his head as a baby. Nobody who actually saw the speech is going to pay any attention to that empty suit.
It’s about time somebody “polarized” this campaign by pointing out FACTS.
Bill E Pilgrim
@pseudonymous in nc: They have a hard time distinguishing between “everyone in the country” and “the other handful of Villagers who tell me what to think and vice versa”.
Clinton’s approval rating when he left office was around 67%. Yeah, “polarizing” as hell, John King.
“Highest end-of-office approval rating of any U.S. president since World War II” Wikipedia tells me.
jl
@ChrisNYC:
” The butthurt tomorrow is going to be delectable! ”
What happened to the GOP’s amiable Golden Boy of yore?
I like the crashing GOP memes this campaign. Like a propaganda blitzkrieg turned into a destruction derby.
Laertes
Missed it. Work. Can we get an update when someone’s got a link to video?
Elizabelle
Soonergrunt has put up a new thread.
Cigarette optional.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
We’re now getting drunk watching Dylan Moran doing standup.
Somehow seems appropriate.
PurpleGirl
What is it with all these mentions of sports teams?
Anya
OHIO IN THE HOUSE!
trollhattan
@Elizabelle:
Nonsense, Wyoming has both natural gas and coal.
Elizabelle
@trollhattan:
That’s funny. I stand corrected.
Brachiator
@David Koch:
Steve Jobs’ widow, Laurene.
Quarks
Did New Jersey really need to remind us that Washington once fought there?
I’ve never seen one of these roll calls before. I had no idea they went on so long.
MikeJ
@Quarks:
They’re actually hurrying it along.
J R in WVa
@Chris:
But if Reagan had a third term, he would have been totally incompetent due to his dementia. Sad, but true, that he was loosing it during his second term.
tBone
@scav:
Thanks. I keep my skills sharp by dropping a comment here every 8 or 10 months. See you in 2013!
MikeJ
@tBone: We’d be happy with comments 1/10th as good ten times more often.
Chris
@J R in WVa:
Pretty much like his first two terms, then.
grandpa john
@John: And if I remember correctly it was Kefauver -Stevenson with Stevenson ultimately getting the nomination
WaterGirl
@arguingwithsignposts: I know I should know that reference, but it’s not coming to me. I see that everyone else here is NOT having that problem.
Anne Laurie
@WaterGirl:
“There you go again” — using dull facts, instead of cheerful uplifting lies — is celebrated as one of St. Reagan’s great quotes from his debate with Carter. Clinton didn’t just steal the line, he inverted the wingnuts’ meme about ‘feelings’ being more important in politics than… arithmetic!
WaterGirl
@Anne Laurie: Thank you!
tBone
@MikeJ:
Just when I think I’m out, they pull me back in…
Too many IRL obligations these days to waste as much time here as I used to, but I’ll probably be popping my head up more as we head into the home stretch of the campaign. Half of my friends and relatives on Facebook love posting drooling RNC propaganda, so I need something to keep me from Eastwooding them.
kamalokitty
Holy fuckin A Mutha Fuckahs!