There’s something weird about Paul Ryan to me. Maybe some of the P90X 6% bodyfat bow-hunting bullshit is true, but it seems at least partly made-up, as if they’re covering for something. Could be the fact he’s a spoiled rich shit not an up-by-the-bootstraps Randian superhero, could be he’s dating a guy named Elliot. I’m not sure. Anyway, this (via):
In an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt last week, Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan said he’s run a sub-3:00 marathon.
[…]Runner’s World has been unable to find any marathon results by Ryan. Requests for more information from Ryan’s Washington and Wisconsin offices, and from the Romney-Paul campaign, have so far gone unanswered.
If Clinton had lied about running a marathon, it would have been grounds for impeachment and renewal. Further proof he trashed the place, and it wasn’t his place.
taylormattd
For some reason, I just envisioned a reporter saying “Pix or GTFO.”
schrodinger's cat
It is the LiaR LiaR ticket! What else is he lying about I wonder.
Biscuits
IOKIYAR.
Violet
The Runners World commenters are right that anyone who runs enough to do multiple marathons knows when and where they ran their best time and pretty much exactly what that time was. Ryan’s answer is the kind of answer that just seems false. Why not say, “Yeah, I ran a 2:55, but I was 25 and that’s a long time ago” or something. The way he answered feels like boasting, not truth.
comrade scott's agenda of rage
This guy is full of shit.
I’m a long distance runner. Back in 1995 I ran the Marine Corps Marathon in under 3 hours: 2:56.47. Trust me, even as a competitive amateur runner, you don’t forget your times if you train for and run a marathon in under 3 hours. At worst, you always remember the specific race(s) in which you ran that fast.
This extends to just about any personal best time. I moved on to ultra marathons (okay 50K ultras) and again, while I can’t tell you off the top of my head the seconds, I can tell you my personal best time.
So, this lying sack of shit could easily quell this little flap by simply saying “I ran a sub-3 hour marathon at the Upper Anklescratch Marathon back in 19xx”. Not all local races keep tons of data going back a bazillion years but at the very least, they could say “we tossed that info a couple of years back”. Most clubs that put on races like that don’t toss the data, however.
Steve
Romney/Ruiz ’12!
Robin G.
There’s definitely an odd vibe from Ryan. This comment almost makes me wonder if he’s a literal pathological liar. I mean, what an odd thing to make up. Maybe he’s not, but… there’s just something.
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Mnemosyne
I still say this is a weird rivalry with Rahm Emanuel, the (sprint) triathlete mayor of Chicago.
Either that, or Ryan decided that the reason voters aren’t connecting with him is that he’s not enough like Sarah Palin.
Amir Khalid
if Paul Ryan chose this, of all things, to lie about, then he’s something worse than too dishonest for public office: he’s too stupid.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
Maybe his marathon time was self-certified, like Rand Paul’s qualifications to practice ophthalmology.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: For all her other problems, Sarah Palin looked fit and athletic, her cover for Runner’s world comes to mind. With Ryan I just don’t see it. I think he is making it up, the whole bit, 6% body fat, killer workouts, everything.
Hill Dweller
@Violet: A lot of runners/triathletes actually get tattoos of their best times in marathons/triathlons.
@Robin G.: I think Ryan is a sociopath. He lies just as much as Willard.
hhex65
This place just lives to bash Metrosexual Dean Corll all day long doesn’t it?
Violet
@Amir Khalid: If he’s lying about this, he’s lying about a whole bunch of other stuff. We already know he lies about political stuff, but this is personal. Why lie at all? Who cares? Some people will lie about anything for any reason. If he’s one of them, that’s a dangerous person to have one heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Ann Rynd
Oh, dear. Now it begins, now it starts. I’ll bet that there are “enhancements” to every part of his resume. Every single word he utters has to be vetted including and and the. This person is not the person he wants us to think he is.
RSA
I’ve seen Marathon Man, and Paul Ryan is no Dustin Hoffman.
Odie Hugh Manatee
I have to give Ryan credit for dropping the “Yeah, that’s the ticket!” from his lies.
Old habits are hard to break.
gnomedad
@Violet:
Seconded – I was about to say something like this. All pols lie, but if he’s lying about this, it’s more like a way of being.
maven
perhaps in his alternate reality he did this.
the fake fake al
Sub 3:00 marathons are not easy, can he name the race? Maybe he just did it on his own:)Or maybe he is projecting based on the time he ran 6.80 minute mile in HS PE, timed of course by a hungover bored PE coach.
Dude is a Nietzschian will-to-power, Machiavellian, Ayn Randian. The first requirement for that club is pathological liar.
He is basically Lucifer. Don’t look into his eyes.
Ash Can
@Robin G.: This. It makes no fucking sense to lie about this kind of thing, other than the obvious and really, really childish self-aggrandizement aspect, and the lack of answers to the running magazine make him look crappy. At the absolute best, it makes him look like he can’t be bothered to answer anybody’s questions at all, about anything.
hep kitty
Again, the whole point is to drown the American people, and progressive media/bloggers and those fact-checkers with such a deluge, such a diarrhea of lies that everyone is constantly running around expending all their time, energy and money investigating every single turd in this 24/7 deluge of bullshit.
It’s a great distraction for stealing and buying votes. They’ve got this getting away with lying shit down to a science. They know how well it worked during the Bush admin. Only now, it’s turned up to 11.
trollhattan
@Steve:
Thread done been won.
lamh35
Dude, really??? Somebody please tell me this is a parody??? The Onion right?
SFAW
@Steve:
Nice one.
Plus Mittens would have the added benefit of running (so to speak) con una Latina.
gbear
@Hill Dweller:
Their conversations with each other must be surreal. Can they dare trust each other?
beltane
FWIW my husband’s blue-collar white guy co-workers seem to have taken an instant dislike to Ryan. The lie about the GM plant, though not his biggest lie, just rubbed them the wrong way.
SFAW
@trollhattan:
Beat me to it. Damn you, sir, damn you I say.
Or not.
Villago Delenda Est
The first comment on the Runner’s World article pretty much captures this entire thing.
Ryan is a pathological liar, just like Sarah Palin is, bragging about accomplishments that people who actually do those things can see right through.
No integrity whatsoever.
mechwarrior oline
As someone that’s run a marathon here is my take on this…
It’s certainly possible, but it’s a fucking damn good time, then again if he’s a fitness buff that’s certainly possible.
I wouldn’t dog pile this one. There are runners who are seriously competitive and do the Marine Corps Marathon, Baltimore Marathon, Disney Goofy Race, NY Marathon, Boston Marathon and their times are recorded. Or he could be doing it on his own, at which point his time would only be known by him or those in his club.
It’s really hard to say one way or another. I haven’t “run a Marathon” since I was in the Navy, I haven’t “run a 10k” either… in that I haven’t run anything that would have been timed, I run with my group (I’m a hasher for those in the know).
He could be full of shit, or he could know he’s capable of a sub 3 time and just gone with that. Either way…
http://www.marinemarathon.com/
Put up or shut up! It’s in the nations capital and the place is secure, plenty of military and SS types can run a sub 3 and keep up with him, and it’s not like the course isn’t lined with cops and Marines anyways.
Violet
@Ash Can: Yep. This is a stupid thing to lie about. He’s obviously a fit guy and the P90X stuff is verified by others. Why make up your marathon time? What benefit is there in that except to yourself, in portraying yourself as better than you are?
Maybe he did run it, who knows. Does sound like any runner that I know. They can all tell you when and where their best time was run. And what it was.
f space that
Is there anything he can’t do? He’s a floor polish and dessert topping!
trollhattan
Speaking of fitness buffs, here’s Gov Jerry on New Jersey’s Crisco Kid:
Attaboy, Jerry.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/#storylink=cpy
gene108
But, but John Kerry said he ran the Boston Marathon, but doesn’t remember exactly when or anything about it…so it’s O.K….both sides do it…
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
This does seem like taking the phrase “running mate” a tad bit too literally. What’s next, he tries to be the campaign “attack dog” by running after the Presidential limo trying to bite one of the tires?
Ann Rynd
@Steve: Wow, lightning fast. It took me five minutes to get it and I watched that race.
trollhattan
@SFAW:
S’okay, we can still share a cab.
Scotty
@Hill Dweller: Yeah, it’s a pain in the ass when you get your best marathon time tattooed and then keep setting PR’s.
mechwarrior oline
@Violet:
I can’t tell you how fast I run because I don’t care. The last organized races I went to were because my entire command went to them, I grudgingly went along.
I do run, I run up and down the Mt. Vernon trail, I bike it as well. I enjoy it. I also take part in hashes, I enjoy that as well. I don’t time myself or care to.
On the other hand I know tons of people with heart rate monitors that pace themselves and keep track of that crap.
But again, the next MCM is this October. He can show us there. And there isn’t an excuse not to. Plenty of people do, and it’s completely secure. If it comes down to it they can just drag more Marines out for it. Arlington and DC are shut down along the route.
Robin G.
@hep kitty: I have to say, the Bush gang didn’t lie nearly as much as these assholes. They fudged and implied and equivocated, but rarely lied. (This was how I knew the Iraq war was bullshit — because they did everything possible to associate Hussein with bin Laden except say it flat-out. It’s the kind of thing you only do when you’re maintaining plausible deniability about something you know to be false.) Romney’s fuckers, on the other hand, are just making it up out of whole cloth. It’s just astonishing to watch. Never seen anything like it.
Zifnab
In before “Irresponsible not to speculate!”
Although, I did find this:
http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/31/paul-ryan-black-ex-girlfriend-deneeta-pope-presidential-campaign/
Wonder if the Fundie-cons know.
SFAW
@trollhattan:
Mighty generous of you. Do we make it a threesome (not THAT kind, get your mind out of the gutter!) and have Rosie pay?
cathyx
He wasn’t lying. The marathon was a race that he ran against his brothers when he was a teenager. There is no record of it, but I’m sure his brothers would back him up.
See how easy it is to make the statement true?
cbear
Jeebus, that is the funniest thing I’ve read in a month.
Thanks DJ.
whidby
I’m not a runner, but I’m a hunter and I suspect he is about as much a deer hunter as Sarah Palin is a moose hunter. Remember when she had her father cycle the bolt action on the rifle because it was too hard for her to do?
We already know that, at best, he’s one of those assholes who shoots baited deer. (Oh, I’m sorry, he hunts “over a food plot.”)
It’s just a prop.
He’s an privileged preppy douche who went to privileged preppy douche U located in Miami, Ohio.
Trentrunner
What’s Ryan covering up? My guess:
Micropenis.
SFAW
@cathyx:
Yeah, and next he’ll be telling us that “Paul” is just a nickname, because “Pheidippides” was too hard for most of his Janesville buds to pronounce.
JPL
@lamh35: This is from CBS online… link
I’ll let you read the article because they mention a previous comment of his.
slag
@Robin G.:
I was just saying something similar after reading about this. This and watching The Daily Show clips of Lyin’ Ryan gave me the wiggins. Creepy dude.
jharp
“There’s something weird about Paul Ryan to me.”
Me too.
And I don’t think the Eddie Munster haircut helps.
mechwarrior oline
@whidby:
Running is a preppy douche activity though, so’s p90x for that matter.
But bait him out, MCM is October 28th. This is far too easy. It’s not like politicians don’t run in it already with security at times, and he can’t play “but the security cost” it’s already fucking paid for (hell defense contractors sponsor it) and the Marines will already be out for first aid and security. The city is already closed for it in the right places.
trollhattan
@SFAW:
Rosie could pay in comp sneakers. Cabbies love that.
LanceThruster
Paul Ryan: Hello, my name is Paul Ryan, and I’m a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact.. I’m the president of the organization!
I didn’t always lie. No, when I was a kid, I told the truth. But then one day, I got caught stealing money out of my mother’s purse. I lied. I told her it was homework – that my teacher told me to do it. And she got fired! Yeah, that’s what happened!
After that, lying was easy for me. I lied about my age and joined the army. I was thirteen at the time. Yeah.. I went to Vietnam, and I was injured catching a mortar shell in my teeth. And they made me a three-star general! And then I got a job in journalism, writing for the National Enquire.. er, Geographic! Yeah.. I was making twenty thousand a ye.. month! In fact, I won the Pulitzer Prize that year! Yeah, that’s the ticket.
And then my cousin died – Joe Louis – and I took it hard. Maybe too hard – I tried to kill myself. Yeahh.. I did kill myself! Sure! I was medically dead for a week and a half! It was a woman that brought me out of it – Indira Gandhi! Yeah, right.. And she told me about Pathological Liars Anonymous.
Oh, you’d be surprised how many famous people belong. In fact.. at one of the meetings I met my wife – Morgan Fairchild! Yes, I’m a change man now, and all because of Pathological Liars Anonymous. Why, I – I even have my picture on the cover of Newsweek magazine. Yeah. Every day! Yeah.. that’s the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!
trollhattan
@jharp:
No kidding. Of course, anybody who thinks Atlas Shrugged is a biography is already demonstrating the presence of loose &/or missing screws.
JPL
@lamh35: Wouldn’t it be awesome to have Mitt and Clint campaigning together and making small talk.
trollhattan
@LanceThruster:
“I’m Paul Ryan and I always lie. Uh, wait…!”
General Stuck
One reason he seems so cock sure of himself, with a quiet arrogance of knowing the answers that the rest of us little people don’t get, is I suspect coming from being hooked up with these guys. Jesus freak fascists trying to take over the world, or at least control it.
The Dangerman
Just wait until he talks about besting Kim Jong-il’s golf record (reportedly shot 11 holes-in-one on the way to a 38-under-par score on a regulation 18-hole golf course on his first try at golf).
Jon Rockoford
A rose a day for almost 7 decades…
Here’s a challenge for enterprising journalists and bloggers: The story is BS. Investigate.
The logistics of procuring and placing a rose on a nightstand night after night over decades are terrifying even for the most loving spouse—even if you’re really rich.
Mitt is also a fabulist; he or someone in his campaign made this story up. How delicious to prove it is as fake as his plan to magically create 12 million jobs in 4 years.
jl
@JPL:
OK, I’ll try to make sense of it.
If Romney was asking about a particular body of water, or pool of water, he probably meant (I hope) to ask whether it from the amount of rain that fell, or storm surge, and whether it was brackish or not. That could be interesting info.
If he was not asking about a specific situation it is hopeless, I think.
That’s he best I can do.
JPL
@trollhattan: Did Ryan really think that?
Villago Delenda Est
@mechwarrior oline:
But, you see, mechwarrior, that amazing sub 3 hour time was years ago, not recently.
He’d have to take time off from his lying across America tour to train up to run a fucking 10k, which I did back in my “you’ll run every day 3-4 miles because it’s part of your job” days. Sound to Narrows, Tacoma WA, 1986, just under 1 hour.
There’s no way a time that good in any organized marathon wouldn’t be recorded with precise details.
Paul Ruiz is not being on the up and up on this.
Wood
The thing that rubs me wrong about Paul Ryan, other than everything about him, is his goony closed-mouth smile. That thing is a textbook shit-eating grin.
Violet
@mechwarrior oline: And if Ryan ran like you did, he’d respond like you did–“Oh, I just run for fun. I don’t keep track of my time. It’s been ages since I’ve done an organized run.” or words to that effect. But he didn’t. He tried to BS that he knew his time, but couldn’t do it effectively. Anyone who is in the second group of runners that you described knows that for sure.
I agree with you–he should put up or shut up. Maybe he can lead Chris Christie on a run to get ready for his Jerry Brown challenge.
Jamey
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Or Mitt Romney’s tax returns–trust him!
wrb
@Ann Rynd:
He actually pedaled the viennasausagemobile.
Phil Perspective
@Zifnab: Looking at that picture, she looks like a fitness buff, too. To answer DougJ’s question, I wonder if the Zombie-eyed Granny-starver enjoys being a bottom, just like the other fanboy(Alan Greenspan) of Ayn Rand.
Ash Can
@lamh35: In all honesty, I can give him this one — I can easily see how this would be a typically inartful Romney-esque way of asking “What exactly went wrong here? Was it solely the amount of rain, did the levees fail, or did the river overflow its banks?” Poorly worded, to be sure, but plausibly a sincere effort to understand what had happened.
Now that I’ve cut him some slack, of course, he’s going to make a speech tomorrow about how Obama’s so incompetent he can’t even control the tides on the Mississippi River…
wrb
@General Stuck:
Is he really a member of The Family?
befuggled
@whidby: It’s actually in Oxford, Ohio. He would have been a freshman when I was a senior, so the odds are fair we have acquaintances in common. Most of my friends from college, though, are appalled at Ryan. Then again, I didn’t hang out with the preppy douches.
trollhattan
@JPL:
Tiny bit of projection on my part, but TDS really hung it around his neck like a giant millstone the other night. Singing its praises in the ’90s to the point of making his staffers read it, then recently “refudiating” her on the basis of being aggressively atheistic. I truly believe it functioned as an owner’s manual for him over decades.
Joel
@Steve: Win.
wrb
@Phil Perspective:
How will Mitt, Paul and Bibi ever sort it out?
JPL
@jl: IMO Mitt was just trying to show interest in the subject at hand or he is terrible at small talk. The trees in GA are the right height also, too.
edited for clarity or something.. i need a drink
dr. luba
@Jon Rockoford: Or he could have just stolen the story from his news feed.
General Stuck
@wrb:
Don’t know for sure. I expect there are folks looking into that as we speak. Most religious wingnuts are at least loosely affiliated with the group.
muddy
Tweety was on tonight saying that he would not call him “Lyin’ Ryan”. He said over and over how he would not say “Lyin’ Ryan”. lol
jl
@JPL: I have no idea what was going on Mitt’s head. My comment was just a try at getting in my good deed for the day (charitable interpretation division).
Steve
@jl: I would also take it to mean storm surge, rain, or what have you.
mechwarrior oline
@Violet:
I dunno, I think I could do under a four hour marathon, but it’s been so long since I was timed and I never gave a shit then that… I really don’t fucking know. I know I can run to Mt Vernon and back… I have no idea the pacing, and I often loiter along the way and listen to music, or stop and do something else. If someone asked what my time was I’d probably say “ermm, probably sub four hours, not sure, it’s been a while”. The whole thing seems odd, I run, I’m fast, I like it, I’ve never though about it beyond that.
trollhattan
@muddy:
That might could lead to Lyin’ Ryan cryin’.
Ruckus
He ran a sub 3 marathon? How long ago? I’ve been at about 6% body fat once in my life and that was after working out at the gym 2 hrs a day for 2 yrs, running about 10 miles/week and biking about 30-40. And I looked a whole lot better than he does.
I owned a triathlon shop and had customers who participated in both triathlons and marathons and I’ve got to tell you that a sub 3 takes a lot of effort, training and dedication. I also used to work with someone who ran professionally and did well under 3 hr. I think he is lying, no wait, I’m pretty sure he is. But then we know he is extremely capable of that, don’t we.
Linda Featheringill
@beltane: #28
Great! Maybe we can make some inroads into this demographic!
JPL
@Steve: I agree with you but he does seem to have problems expressing himself. At least this site has an edit button. (thankfully)
LanceThruster
Nobel-prize winning economist Milton Friedman warns that if Mitt Romney becomes president, you’d better tighten up your shlt pvssy, baby (and no Cheez-Wiz or swallowing gum either). ~ [paraphrasing Doug Stanhope]
rammalamadingdong
In about four weeks he will be running around with his shirt off and TMZ in tow looking for his washboard abs. Trust me
Turgidson
@gbear:
Maybe it’s sort of like a new language for them. They are able to quickly translate each other’s lies into their actual intended meaning, simply because they have had so much practice in recent weeks.
mechwarrior oline
@Ruckus:
Disclaimer…
I have no idea what my best marathon time was, I really never gave a shit about it. However…
I’ve seen it done or heard it was done. When I was in the Navy I went to the gym for an hour a day and run a 5k 2x a day. Our command also had fitness nut Admiral (I was assigned to a flag staff at the time) who did them, and thus we all did. Sub 3 times weren’t all that uncommon, from what I heard. But then again, none of us (baring a few of the officers) gave a flying fuck about it.
I was in great shape, but I can’t say for sure what my best bench was, how many situps or pushups I can do… or really what my pace was. The only individual exercise I can name what I did was pull ups, because I fucking hated them, even if I always passed with flying colors, because I busted up my should bad and it hurt like shit so I’d drop the instant I could.
lamh35
@JPL: wow jeez.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Robin G.: I used to work with a guy like that. My favorite one was the claim that he was a former competitive bodybuilder.
I channeled Lloyd Bentsen a lot during those months….
lamh35
@Ash Can: First of all, there is no Ocean near New Orleans, Louisiana. What would it have taken to at the very least scan something on the topography.
Second of all anyone novice paid any attention after Katrina probably knows a hell of a lot about leveees. Katrina was Americas one stop shop to learn about Hurricanes, levees, sea levels, etc.
It was Romney trying to seem like he so interested. At the very least Obama would have be more likely to say “what’s needed”, not try to make small talk.
personally, I think he should have waited until the President visited first instead of letting Jindal use him to play politics. Jindal “invited” him, by the way, and ya know Jindal was probably told that POTUS would be there on Monday way before he invited Romney. Just like the walk in to his speech last night was like some SOTU address, Romney out in Louisiana trying to appear Presidential.
I give Romney nothing.
Jon Rockoford
@dr. luba: Good catch!
JPL
The Ryan/Rmoney campaign is built on lies so what’s one more.
Paul Ryan’s image was shattered when his speech was fact checked and he is now on notice.
The Romney family feigns interest where there is none and it comes across. Ann has a habit of referring to someone different than her as you people and Mitt just can’t relate.
Mike Lamb
@mechwarrior oline: First, no one just runs a marathon that isn’t organized. I mean, it’s fine if you just run for shits and giggles, but no one EVER just goes out for a long run and says “I ran a marathon”, even if they did, in fact, run 26.2 miles.
Second, for me, if it isn’t officially recorded, the time doesn’t count. I might be able to do a 40k time trial on my bike in less than an hour, but unless it’s an official course, I’d never claim to have broken the hour mark.
Bottom line: maybe he’s done it, but it sounds like a fish story. If you are worried about certain threshold times (of which a 3 hour marathon as an amateur runner is a HUGE one), you’d know the race/date where you did it (assuming you only did it once).
Violet
@Ash Can: But that’s the whole point. People know what he meant when he said “the trees are the right height”–he was talking about how the land looks and feels familiar and like home. But the way he says it is so foreign and weird it makes others uncomfortable.
The same applies here with the water thing. He was trying to appear interested and ask appropriate questions, but instead of saying something sensible like, “So is this from the levee breach?” he asks it in the way he did, which makes him sound out of touch and a bit stupid.
As lamh35 said, anyone paying attention, and that certainly should include someone who wants to be President, learned about levees from Katrina. And if they’d forgotten, there was a good opportunity to refresh one’s memory with Isaac. The fact that Romney asked the way he did made him not only look robotic and somewhat stupid, it also made him look out of touch and uninformed. Not good qualities for a Presidential candidate.
Patrick Thompson
You know the addition to the Guggenheim? He designed that.
Didn’t take very long, either.
Suffern Ace
Next week for his interview in Sky and Telescope, Ryan, to impress the editors, will speak of his successful space mission. Granted, it was at a Challenger Center in Mequon, but some of those experiments can be hard.
pastormaker
Looks like Ryan has been denying himself those Oscar Meyer weiners for nothing. Calorie -restrictive diets are bullshit:
Calorie Retriction Diet Doesn’t Equal Longer Life, Study Suggests
mechwarrior oline
@Mike Lamb:
Mike, I get what you are saying as I know serious runners. A lot of my friends run the MCM yearly (and more but that one is right by my door so I watch them finish) and they can tell you their times, their pace, their splits, their heart rate. It’s pretty crazy.
What I’m saying is that I have run a marathon before, more than once. I can also tell you I didn’t really give a crap about my time because it wasn’t something I set out to do. Our command got us to do it, I went along. But then again, I’d never claim to know a time, just a ball park which is really a shot in the fucking dark. I don’t know, and I won’t claim to.
I can also tell you that people do, do that. The routes for the MCM and other races are posted online. I know plenty of people that do, run those routes just to make sure the distances are correct. But then again, none of them would ever claim to know what time they did.
I can claim I run milers, because I got the route for the Army 10 miler… I wouldn’t claim a time, because I didn’t pay attention. I run with friends and others, and timing ourselves isn’t really the point of it.
My point is that from my perspective, I can kinda see how he might not be full of shit, and yet I can also how he could be full of shit. Thus I say… have him run the MCM!
MattF
Hmm. Could be, Romney found a soul mate. Coward too, I’ll guess.
kay
@lamh35:
Jindal is an absolute master at turning disaster into political opportunity.
If you ever get a chance, read the report that came out of the Gulf oil spill. Pay particular attention to how Jindal duped Anderson Cooper into spreading complete bullshit. Cooper did it for “access” I suppose, but I will never again rely on his on the scene reporting.
Jindal played Cooper and then Cooper played viewers. The report got no attention at all in the press, probably because it doesn’t make them look real good.
hoppipolla
@pastormaker: that was my favorite story in yesterday’s news cycle. i’ve known some humorless, pleasure-hating nutritionists in my time, who seemed to think they had a moral leg up because they regarded food in purely utilitarian terms, and it’s a pleasure to know that now they’ll have to, um, eat their words.
Violet
@mechwarrior oline: Your argument doesn’t hold up. Here’s what Ryan said:
It’s just enough detail to make it clear he keeps track of his times. Someone like you who just runs for fun wouldn’t know it it was 2:50-something or 3:00-something. You’d have a ballpark in the 3:00-ish range, give or take a few minutes or even more. But Ryan KNOWS it was sub-3:00, which is a BFD for runners. After that, no more details–no dates, or how old he was, or which marathon…nothing.
It just reeks.
Maude
@Ruckus:
It’s major undertaking to do a marathon or triathlon. It’s something he would not forget.
I think Ryan is narcissistic.
MikeJ
Who was the 60s rocker that ran a marathon with no training other than his usual drinking, smoking, and drugging?
raven
@Mike Lamb: Fish story, you rang?
ColleenMary
Just checked Runner’s World–there’s an update: they found a Paul D. Ryan who ran the Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth back in 1990. Time: 4:01 They’ve contacted the campaign to confirm that this is really him–he was a college student at the time apparently.
Gee, no difference at all between 4:01 and 2:55, huh?
hep kitty
Another shooting, AK47, 3 dead, just another day in the USA
Suffern Ace
In an interview with Ladies Home Journal, Ryan let it drop that during a difficult time early in his marriage, he and his wife were featured in “can this marriage be saved?” When asked about the issue, he replied that he can’t now recall exactly what the problem was specifically, but most likely had something to do with the size of his manhood and sexual prowress, problems he admits persist to this day.
feebog
Interesting post from a facebook friend. She is an Assistant City Attorney and a member of the LAUSD schoolboard. She is also a runner. She called out Ryan on this whopper. As she pointed out every marathoner knows their best time and when they did it. She even named her best time and the race in her post (over 4 hours).
I frankly think Ryan is lying his ass off about this. I ran track and cross country in HS (many moons ago) and ran for exercise until a few years ago. Running a sub three hour marathon means you are running under 7 minutes per mile. No matter how much you are in shape, you have to train, and train hard to get to that level. Most marathoners never get close to that time.
Ryan is just so used to lying, and not being called on the lies, that he feels he can do so with impunity. It would be ironic if this unnecessary lie is the one that really trips him up.
Davis X. Machina
@hep kitty: More recipients for Tom Junod’s Order of the Black Heart.
A medal is the least we can do let the survivors know we understand and appreciate the sacrifice for freedom their loved ones have made.
Roger Moore
@wrb:
I’m inclined to think it was the Oscar Meyer Bolognamobile. He’s been peddling bologna ever since.
Villago Delenda Est
@ColleenMary:
4:01 is not a bad time at all, but if that was indeed the same Paul Ryan, he’s toast in the running community.
One does not lie about those sort of things, particularly when there are written records that can be referred to.
Maude
@kay:
I read the report. Cooper didn’t do his homework. Lazy, lazy.
Thanks for all the posts about voting rights.
Roger Moore
@mechwarrior oline:
Two points:
1) He claims he can’t run that far anymore because he hurt his back. It could be true, or it could be a BS excuse for why he doesn’t run marathons anymore, but it’s going to be really hard to prove.
2) What you’re talking about is very different from what he’s talking about. You’re saying that you ran marathons because it was expected of you and you never cared enough to worry about what your time was. That’s perfectly reasonable; you don’t know your best time because you never cared enough to remember it. He’s saying he ran competitively and knows he broke the 3 hour mark, but that he doesn’t remember when or exactly what his time was. That’s obvious BS because the kind of people who care about their time enough to worry about going under 3 hours are going to remember the race and exact time.
pragmatism
Maybe the timing was done by whomever manufactured mcmegan’s calculator?
Princess Leia
@ColleenMary: Perfect that it was Grandma’s Marathon. Maybe that’s why he’s so mad at them.
raven
@Roger Moore: And no pictures? Bullshit. I only ran a couple of 10k’s, mostly 5’s but I got pics of my finish at the Peachtree.
Maude
@lamh35:
I remember clearly when Obama was filling sandbags. For me, that was the “tell” about him. He did it well and just fit right in with the others doing the same thing.
Romney is doing what McCain did during the primaries. He went to a place where the flooding was bad and they didn’t want him there.
elisabeth
Romney lied about being at a World Series game. It is all they know how to do.
pseudonymous in nc
@Ash Can:
Especially since amateur marathon runners turn out to be kinda anal about this stuff, and are much more likely to kick up a stink than, say, the DC press pack.
Roger Moore
@raven:
I don’t know about that. I finished the LA Marathon (5:50:36, walked the whole way) and didn’t bother to get a picture. Then again, I still have my finisher’s medal and the certificate with my time on it, so at least I have some evidence.
raven
@Roger Moore: Maybe you are right. Fuck him any damn way.
kay
@Maude:
I was shocked by it. The Coast Guard must not be huge fans of Anderson Cooper. They played (alternately) The Villains and The Bumbling Idiots in his set piece.
I loved the part where Obama makes his 5th visit or whatever and tells Jindal “I know what you’re doing and I know why you’re doing it” (paraphrasing).
I followed it for a while, because Jindal was funnelling all that federal money to cronies and donors ( the infamous ‘sand berms’) but then we all moved on and so did I.
replicnt6
@Steve:
FTW!
f space that
@Roger Moore: Ryan’s doing P90X with a bad back? No way.
Sad_Dem
Ryan not only ran an under-three-hour marathon, he beat Usain Bolt in a 200-meter dash, dropped Cadel Evans like a brick in a sprint at the end of a stage in the Tour de France, and knocked out LL Cool J.
raven
@kay: The Coast Guard looked awfully good in Brinkley’s book “The Great Deluge”.
Calouste
@MikeJ:
Was that Lemmy, of Motorhead fame?
Roger Moore
@f space that:
That’s what he claims:
I think it’s important to see his actual physical so we know if he’s actually doing the crap he says he does and/or has this slipped disc.
Maude
@kay:
I’d forgotten the Obama line to the gov. He did say that. It was in quotes. What a wonderful statement from the President. Jindal is pond scum.
The report was easy to read and it was interesting. I’ll go back and read it again at some point.
kay
@raven:
They kept patiently explaining “we are acting under the Oil Pollution Act” which is the law they passed after Valdez, but I’ll be damned if a single person covering that spill could be bothered to glance at this elaborate, intricate plan that was in place.
Instead they decided to run around in circles screaming “do something!”
Maude
@raven:
It’s a great book. I like the bit where the penguins marched single file out of the zoo.
Villago Delenda Est
@Maude:
Pond scum on line 2, Maude. Something about defamation.
trollhattan
So it’s settled then, Paul Ryan is the new Dos XX spokesman?
Excellent!
raven
@kay: I’m sorry, I meant Katrina.
raven
@Maude: And the ratsa dude burnin spliff’s. blastin Reggae and saving old folks.
Villago Delenda Est
@trollhattan:
I understand the Isuzu people have made him an offer to be the new Joe.
Bob
This just reminds me of how Kim Jong I’ll got something like 7 hole-in-ones and scored 30-something under par. There is something common to that mentality irrespective to their stated view of “the state”.
Maude
@Villago Delenda Est:
The counter tops inspector is at the door.
You are a bad influence on me. The other day I almost told a snobby woman that her head belonged on a pike. It did indeed belong there, but she wouldn’t have understood what I meant.
Kathleen
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage: Agree. I’ve run 14 marathons and I have not forgotten when and where I had my best time. Marathoners are pretty anal about keeping track of that stuff.
trollhattan
@Maude:
She thought you were telling her to ride a fish.
trollhattan
BTW, it’s Friday and Cole hasn’t told us what he’s drinking and what dinner he’s prepared for two-dozen drop-in guests. Tunch holding him hostage, again?
raven
@trollhattan: I know he’s not watching these two football games.
David Koch
Paul Ryan = Rossie Ruiz
raven
@David Koch: Rosie
Ruckus
@Maude:
I think Ryan is narcissistic.
That’s the least of his and our worries.
trollhattan
@MikeJ:
Shaft!
Can you dig it?
raven
@trollhattan: Shut yo mouth
trollhattan
@raven:
But I’m talkin’ ’bout Shaft!
Say, who’s the man who’d risk his neck for his brother man?
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
I never bought any pictures when I was racing motorcycles. I did have a couple people give them to me. But never bought any.
@raven:
Fuck him any damn way.
My sentiments exactly.
Maude
@trollhattan:
146 LOL.
Maude
@Ruckus:
151 Narcissists are trouble makers of the first order. They can cause great suffering.
They don’t care about any thing but themselves. They are cruel.
Other than that, they’re fine.
Mandalay
From the Runner’s World message board:
Ruckus
@Maude:
Oh I know. The fact that he is one is not as important as he might be able to get into a bigger position of power, if not this year, sometime. The fact that he is a complete asshole is actually more salient.
I’m just going to repost my agreement with Raven.
Fuck him any damn way.
Violet
@Maude: Sarah Palin is also a narcissist. WTF is up with two lying, starbursts-producing and/or tingling-inducing, young, supposedly good-looking narcissists being chosen for the VP spot two rounds in a row?
Catsy
The RW article has been updated with new info:
So: lying.
Poopyman
@trollhattan: Nah, he’s just hosting one befreckled redhead.
We hope.
Violet
@Catsy: “the best of his recollection”? Okay, I can play that game. “To the best of my recollection I beat Venus Williams at Wimbledon. When and what year? Oh…it was awhile ago. I don’t play tennis anymore.”
SiubhanDuinne
@Violet:
I’m thinking we need look no further than Bill Kristol, who pimped them both.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Obama/Biden 2012: We’re fired up and ready to go!
Romney/Ryan 2012: You’re fired and you can go now.
Romney sees the country as a company so you can all expect to get fired if you give the nation crappy service.
trollhattan
@Poopyman:
It would certainly be inappropriate for me to say “Vids, or it didn’t happen” but I’ve been inappropriate a time or three.
Villago Delenda Est
@Catsy:
Off by an hour.
AN HOUR.
Not a shabby time, but he, um, greatly exaggerated his finish time.
So, you’re right. Lying. And lying egregiously.
Joel
@Sad_Dem: No word on whether he knocked out LL Cool J during Grandma’s Marathon.
Violet
@SiubhanDuinne: Why is Bill Kristol so sold on narcissists? They’re notoriously hard to control, turn on you on a dime, and do nothing except what’s in their own self-interest.
Narcissists can be very charming and it’s easy to get sucked in. I’m sure he’s susceptible to that. I guess he’s pretty dumb not to be able to see past it (we all know he’s dumb). But why is he ESPECIALLY attracted to them? Why pick two in a row?
JPL
@Catsy: really.. what’s a hour or so among friends. really…
Maude
@Ruckus:
Oh, ick, you F him. We are in agreement. I”m slow on the uptake tonight.
I get what you mean.
PeakVT
@Catsy: Three hours, four hours, what’s the difference?
Villago Delenda Est
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
I’ll put my honorable service in uniform against that draft dodging coward’s service any day of the week.
That goes double for his cowardly spawn.
raven
@Odie Hugh Manatee: Any experience with a Idle Air Control on a MOPAR 3.8 V6?
Catsy
@Violet: You know, my memory is spotty at times. I can buy that he was off by a year. What I don’t buy is that his “recollection” of his best time was honestly off by an hour.
raven
@Villago Delenda Est: I’ll put my 1%’r raggedy ass service too!
trollhattan
@Violet:
Well, short bus Billy certainly doesn’t lack in the self-esteem department, what with his legacy career and all. He recognizes like-minded travelers for the Special Snowflakes that they are.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet:
OK, Venus Williams is a bit of a stretch.
Why don’t you just say you beat a blancmange at Wimbledon and leave it at that.
different-church-lady
@pragmatism: That would only be true if he in fact ran either a sub 3 minute marathon or a sub 30 hour marathon.
JPL
@Villago Delenda Est: Well I’m sitting next to Obama as I type.
Catsy
@different-church-lady: Win.
PPOG Penguin
@PeakVT:
FTFY
Violet
@Catsy: I don’t buy it either. I’d be closer to buying it if he had said it was 3:01, which would be off by an actual hour. Instead he rounded DOWN, which as any runner or timed-sport person knows is NOT DONE, to say 2:50-something.
For some reason he feels the need to burnish his running credentials, even though he’s not a competitive runner anymore. What giant hole of inadequacy does he have that he needs to do that? If he’ll lie about something as unimportant as a decades-old marathon time, what else will he lie about?
Maude
@Violet:
This is the kristol that said the Sunni and Shia have always gotten along together in Iraq, isn’t he?
mechwarrior oline
I’ll admit I could be wrong on how serious he is, it’s just I’ve never cared about times, I can give you a range. So who knows?
Though I’ll agree those who are more serious about it probably know that mindset better. But to me saying “oh under x” just makes sense. I’ve got a ballpark for how fast I can be.
I just can’t…. call him a liar on it, I dunno.
I’m not saying he’s not full of shit, but this entire “you’d know your exact time” seems rather silly, I never bothered or cared about that sort of shit.
Maybe I’m not hearing the whistles and alarms here, if so I’m wrong, but… I just don’t see it.
Palli
@Amir Khalid:
“if Ryan chose this of all things to lie about…”
better edit: “…if Ryan chose all things to lie about…”
and I want to see his pay stub from McDonalds!
Mandalay
@Catsy:
Almost certainly. And since “his brother Tobin Ryan is a runner who ran 2011’s Boston Marathon (3:34)” we can hope that the press will ask poor Tobin for full details of brother Paul’s much faster marathon.
Paul Ryan has performed a great service to the nation this week. He has shown us all that he is a compulsive liar who can never be trusted to tell the truth.
Violet
@trollhattan: Maybe you’re right. But in my experience narcissists don’t like other narcissists. They’re too selfish and self-centered to want to share the spotlight and they know that another narcissist will take away too much attention.
Violet
@mechwarrior oline: If you were guesstimating your marathon time, would you be off by more than an hour?
General Stuck
Republican time is always what it needs to be.
Violet
@Maude: I’m not saying Kristol is smart or savvy or anything like that. I’m just curious why he is ESPECIALLY attracted to narcissists. It’s like being particularly attracted to psychopaths or something. What’s up with him that he’s picked two very similar, except for the gender, in a row?
Evolving Deep Southerner
@Villago Delenda Est: Well, he just lost the distance runner demographic. Think it’s enough to put North Carolina in the blue column in November?
gwangung
This is not a BIG thing.
Still makes him a twerp who engages in “fish stories” though.
(And he probably says this [holding finger and thumb close together] is 12 inches).
pragmatism
@different-church-lady: Right right, an order of magnitude. Ryan’s technically a liar but still collectively nonsense. AFAIK.
trollhattan
@Violet:
Agreed, that’s my experience with the species as well, but SB Billy’s conceit is imagining he’s the Mighty Oz, pulling the levers. Maybe he’s the third Koch bro, in his mind.
different-church-lady
Paging Harry Frankfurt: we’re all missing the bullseye here.
Villago Delenda Est
@Violet:
Not only being off by over an hour, but an hour faster than you finished?
You know, if you said something like “Oh, I did it in like four and a half hours” and the actual time was 4:15, people wouldn’t accuse you of lying, because you overestimated your time. But underestimating by over an hour? A time that surely is brag worthy, but you can’t back it up? This is just inexcusable, and marks you as someone who simply makes shit up to make yourself look better.
Villago Delenda Est
@Evolving Deep Southerner:
Probably not. But it speaks to his general trustworthiness.
If he can spout a lie that is so easily detected, is so trivial, and is so casual about it, what else is he saying that’s simply not true?
Evolving Deep Southerner
Oh yeah? Well Pat Robertson can leg press 2,000 pounds. So Paul Ryan can suck Pat Robertson’s dick.
gwangung
@Villago Delenda Est: Goes with his math wizardry in his budget “plan”, though…
Violet
@Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, exactly. And coming on the heels of his convention speech where the headlines were “Ryan is a liar” and the hashtag #LyinRyan was trending, it’s not a good start to lie about something as unimportant as this, and yet so telling about your character. It’s not an important lie, but it’s a confirmatory and telling one.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Villago Delenda Est:
That’s unfair! He tithes more to his church than he pays in taxes to his government so he bought his honor!
Strangely, that sounds like something Rmoney would answer…lol
@raven:
Nope. What’s the problem? Wandering idle or low speed cruise, hesitation on acceleration from stop, idle speeds sticking erratically or ??? What year and does it use a MAP or MAF sensor? If it’s OBD-I the troubleshooting routines/diagnostic codes are easy to do/find, but not the most accurate. If OBD-II then head to a local parts store that has a scanner that they can loan/rent so you can scan the stored codes (if triggered).
raven
@Evolving Deep Southerner: Not watchin the pack huh?
raven
@Odie Hugh Manatee: It just will die, mostly on deceleration or stopping. I took it to a shop that has always been good with me. They ran the scan and found nothing and could not replicate it. I bought a new used one so I’m selling this one. I’m afraid I’ll have to take it to a dealer as much as I hate to.
eta They did clean the throttle body but I don’t know if they got to the valve. I posted the question on a Chrysler van forum and folks said to try to clean it.
arguingwithsignposts
@mechwarrior oline: are you steveinDC?
Evolving Deep Southerner
@raven: It’s halftime. And I’m having trouble getting my mind around the fact that I work at a basketball school now. This damn game is a helluva lot closer score-wise than it has been game-wise.
Villago Delenda Est
@gwangung:
Yeah, and the fawning treatment of him by the Village, about him “crunching the numbers” when he did no such fucking thing.
If Obama tried to push off a document of such glittering generalities as that, well, they’d be all over it like a duck on a June bug.
Mandalay
@gwangung:
Maybe not by itself it’s not. But he has also just been skewered for spewing a pack of lies in Tampa. A pattern is emerging: if he speaks he lies.
He really needs to watch his mouth now. The press will be fact checking every word coming out of this weasel’s mouth for the rest of the campaign. And if another lie comes out then the attack ad from the Obama team will write itself: “Do you want a proven liar one heartbeat away from the presidency?..”
Evolving Deep Southerner
@raven: I didn’t realize Mike Glennon was such a skinny little drink of water. And Mr. INT Amerson ought to change his name to Toast for this game, at least.
raven
@Evolving Deep Southerner: I have em both on, the Boise MSU game is fun too. They named Russ full time UGA today! Woof.
gwangung
That’s the one thing he WON’T do.
Republican voters will love him for that, though.
Evolving Deep Southerner
@raven: Well, it’s back on. Reckon I’ll try to go catch the fever. I don’t reckon I’ll ever be able to do the little “wolf” hand thing without having flashbacks to when I was 15 and going to Iron Maiden concerts flashing the “devil horns” as I banged my head.
Ruckus
@Maude:
I meant fuck him, like with a rusty chainsaw, not in the friendly way. Not to get too graphic, oh what the hell, a saying from the navy, “I wouldn’t fuck that with your dick”.
Villago Delenda Est
@gwangung:
True, but it means that they have to keep postponing the shaking of the etch-a-sketch to keep the base in line.
The longer it remains unshaken, more undecideds will slip through their fingers.
raven
@Evolving Deep Southerner: The Georgia schedule is so fucking depressing I’m having trouble getting revved. The Illini play at the same time tomorrow and even though I have dawgs tix I think I’m going to stay home and tube it.
raven
Someone fell out of an upper deck at the GA Dome and injured some folks.
Maude
@Ruckus:
I know, I just had to say that.
Villago Delenda Est
@raven:
Oh, cripes, that’s not good at all.
raven
@Evolving Deep Southerner: Yup.
Jewish Steel
@MikeJ: Joe Strummer ran the Paris marathon, I believe.
raven
By Doug Roberson
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
A football fan fell 35 feet from the upper level at the Georgia Dome, landing on a patron and sending both to the hospital Friday night, the Georgia World Congress Center Authority said.
Evolving Deep Southerner
@raven: Yeah, 35 feet, they said. He (assuming it was a he) was fortunate that two other poor fuckers broke his fall, but the two poor fuckers who never saw it coming? Not so much.
Violet
@raven: That’s not good. Must be something in the football zeitgeist:
arguingwithsignposts
@Evolving Deep Southerner: @raven: As low as the bars are on most stadiums, i’m surprised there aren’t more incidents.
PurpleGirl
@kay & raven: IIRC, the disaster plan turned out to be a copy of one for Alaska oil disasters and hadn’t been changed to conditions in the Gulf or updated for current times.
cckids
Best quote from Krugman’s link:
His sub 3:00 marathon is a bit complicated. He ran one in well over 3 hours, but reduced his time to less than 3 with unspecified cuts to time itself. Also, the marathon was what you would call a 5k, but again, through technical alterations to the concept of distance that can’t be specified at the moment, was revised to a marathon. Think Krugman, think.
catclub
@jl: I am probably late to the game, but Romney knew about which kinds of water damage are not covered by most insurance (water that does not fall into the building). It is the kind of thing that everyone in the region he visited also knows about far before he asked.
He probably did not take that moment to say that flood insurance is a big waste of the governments money, that is spent on either rich people’s houses at the beach, or stupid people’s houses in areas that flood all the time.
PurpleGirl
@cckids: An instance of Ryan using that timey-whimey stuff that Krugman referred to a day or two ago.
Catsy
@PurpleGirl: What a wibbly-wobbly guy.
Bobby Thomson
I suppose it’s possible that Ryan ran Grandma’s in 1991 as a “bandit,” but that’s hardly exculpatory.
TS
@JPL:
And did the govinmint help or was it all done by charity?
“Jindal lauded the contributions of the Red Cross, Salvation Army and other organizations amid a scene of downed trees, high water and National Guard troops.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57504615-503544/romney-in-new-orleans-asks-where-the-water-came-from/
And with great questions does he really want to be the reincarnation of George Bush?
kravenkraaken
How Fast Can Paul Ryan Run? Posted by Nicholas Thompson
I contacted the campaign this evening about the discrepancy. Ryan, through a spokesman, responded that he’d just mixed things up. “The race was more than 20 years ago, but my brother Tobin—who ran Boston last year—reminds me that he is the owner of the fastest marathon in the family and has never himself ran a sub-three. If I were to do any rounding, it would certainly be to four hours, not three. He gave me a good ribbing over this at dinner tonight.”
The running community will be laughing too. At this lame explanation.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@raven:
Cleaning the throttle body is a good idea, be sure to spray some lube on the butterfly ends afterward. Before doing that though, check the butterfly in the throttle body for wobble. If the linkage end is loose, especially at part throttle (just opened a little, very little) then that could be the source of your problems. The other end usually has the TPS (throttle position sensor) on it so it’s not as much of a problem. If air is getting in there the IAC will not be aware of it and will not compensate for it without recalibrating.
It’s a real pain if the system isn’t throwing a code. When that happens I take a good look at the secondary side of the ignition system (erratic spark delivery, low coil resistance in the primary or secondary side) as that’s something the computer can’t check.
For example, dying on decel or stopping was a problem with the GM Quad-4 engine that was frequently traced back to the coil packs and “battleship” that was used to distribute the spark. I finally got tired of it happening on our Olds so yanked the factory coil setup and installed remote coils with plug wires.
Problem solved! Good luck with finding the problem and being able to sell it rather than unloading it on a dealer.
rb
@Villago Delenda Est: And qualitatively, it’s worse. He claimed to break 3 when he didn’t even break 4.
The last competitive running I did was in high school, but even I know you do not fuck around with milestones like that.
When I first heard about this I thought – no biggie. But now I’m kind of ticked.
pseudonymous in nc
@raven:
Instead of Sonny Seiler looking for another one that better fit the Platonic Uga template and would then drop dead of Chronic Inbreeding by Thanksgiving? Well, I suppose that’s a relief, though I see that there are some UGA fucktards whining about bloodlines and tradition who probably look forward to fucking their relatives too.
lou
OK as someone who has jogged two marathons in 5+ hours, I can tell you running one in under 3 is hardcore. If you did it, you would remember.
Tonal Crow
I know this will surprise everyone here, but Ryan lied. From the latest update at Runner’s World:
Perhaps Ryan was thinking of the time he clinched a world record in lying?