What a Conservative Victory Looks Like

This is what Republicans consider a win for Team America:

The Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday that the Supreme Court decision on President Obama’s health care overhaul would probably lead to an increase in the number of uninsured and a modest reduction in the cost to the federal government, compared with estimates before the court ruling.

The court said, in effect, that a large expansion of Medicaid envisioned under the 2010 law was a state option, not a requirement.

As a result, the budget office said, it now predicts that six million fewer people will be insured by Medicaid, the federal-state program for low-income people. But half of them, it said, will probably gain private insurance coverage through health insurance exchanges to be established in all states.

On balance, the budget office said in a new report, “about 3 million more people will be uninsured’’ in 2022.

If you can stick to Obama, that is in itself a win, but the 3 million more people without the safety and security of health care insurance? That’s just a bonus!

So now that this portion of the bill was effectively repealed, what do they plan to replace it with? Just kidding.

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110 replies
  1. 1
    karen says:

    And seeing poor people die, just gives the GOP hard-ons.

  2. 2
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    I believe their plan is to replace this portion of the uninsured with a larger number of uninsured.

  3. 3
    Brian R. says:

    As long as they can make someone else more unhappy than they are, it’s all good.

  4. 4
    El Cid says:

    O/T, vast majority of NRA owners prefer stricter gubmit gun control regoolatin’s.

    Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, has called on both candidates to address tighter gun control laws. Bloomberg is co-chairman of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which commissioned Republican pollster Frank Luntz to conduct the research. Luntz surveyed 945 gun owners – an even mix of current or lapsed NRA members, and non-NRA members – in May this year.
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    He found that 71% of NRA members support prohibiting people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns (76% of all gun owners support the same), while 65% of NRA members back a law that would require gun owners to report a missing or stolen gun to police.
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    Luntz’s report showed that 82% of gun owners support requiring a criminal background check of anyone purchasing a gun, with some 74% of NRA members also in favour of the measure.
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    NRA members also support many common state eligibility rules for concealed carrying of a gun:
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    • 75% believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.
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    • 74% believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
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    • 68% believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
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    • 63% believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

  5. 5
    JPL says:

    If the wealthy had more tax breaks they could use there money to personally care for these folks.

  6. 6
    Evolving Deep Southerner says:

    In terms of “speaking with a single voice on behalf of its members,” how’s the NRA different from, say, the Chamber of Commerce?

  7. 7
    danimal says:

    3 million down, 30 million to go.

    /conservative POV

  8. 8
    NotMax says:

    What do they plan to replace it with?

    Instruction on how to replace the aspirin between the knees with a placebo.

  9. 9
    bago says:

    MBA’s take care of their own.

  10. 10
    Elizabelle says:

    NYTimes readers saying headline misleading. Issue is GOP governors refusing Medicaid funds

  11. 11
    beltane says:

    @El Cid: I know a lot of gun owners and the vast majority of them are normal, responsible people without sociopathic tendencies. They know how dangerous guns are and do not particularly want to see them in the hands of mentally deranged people, the NRA’s insistence on this notwithstanding. FWIW, a friend of mine’s husband is a locally well-regarded hunter here who hates the NRA with a passion and has never been a member. He says they collect the names of hunters at the weigh-in stations during deer season and bombard these people with alarmist mailings and phone calls.

    I do wish poor people had advocacy groups that were even half as effective as the NR or AIPAC.

  12. 12
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @NotMax:

    What do they plan to replace it with?

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    The Invisible Hand of the Free Market will provide a solution, as soon as it gets its Holy Fingers unstuck from the Gay Chicken Muppet-Puppet of excessive govt regulations.

  13. 13
    beltane says:

    OT, but this is about the scariest thing I’ve ever read http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi.....-thaw-nasa

    How is the Invisible Hand of the Free Market going to handle this?

  14. 14
    El Cid says:

    @beltane: People don’t understand that the NRA is primarily an industry lobby with roots in a John Birch Society ideology — sort of the National Association of Manufacturers of the 1920s with a particular twist.

  15. 15
    Hill Dweller says:

    The wingnut governors talk tough now, but we’ll see what happens when the hospital lobby starts making threats.

  16. 16
    Roger Moore says:

    @beltane:

    How is the Invisible Hand of the Free Market going to handle this?

    By charging people an arm and a leg to protect their property from the rising sea level.

  17. 17
    JPL says:

    @beltane: Since most coastal property is owned by the wealthy, they will receive a bailout when they have to relocate. Wall Street will also receive moving expenses but unfortunately the other folks in NYC will have to buy their own insurance. It will just toughen them up to become better citizens. As an added bonus, it could lower the unemployment rate.

  18. 18
    Svensker says:

    @beltane:

    I think the Invisible Hand has its Holy Fingers stuck in the Gay Chicken Muppet Puppet’s holes, too.

  19. 19
    arguingwithsignposts says:

    @danimal:

    3 million down, 300 million to go.

    Fixed for accuracy.

  20. 20
    jl says:

    A fat wallet buyeth lots of good medicine: but a broken purse should go without.

    The wicked spend a buck for sound judgment, the Holy know dough is a the best death panel.

    Proverbs from the Book of Wingnut.

  21. 21
    lamh35 says:

    “Restore Anglo-Saxon relations…” W.T.F!!!!!!

    Mitt Romney would restore ‘Anglo-Saxon’ relations between Britain and America

    …In remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested Mr Romney was better placed to understand the ties between the countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa. “We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage, and he feels that the special relationship is special,” the adviser said of Mr Romney, adding: “The White House didn’t fully appreciate the shared history we have.”

    Wow! Just wow!

  22. 22
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @beltane: Holy fuck.

  23. 23
    jwb says:

    @lamh35: Romney either has the tinnest ear known to human kind or he just set the dog siren to 11.

  24. 24
    danimal says:

    @arguingwithsignposts: I wish you were wrong. I stand corrected.

  25. 25
    JPL says:

    @lamh35: In the words of SiubhanDuinne…. Holy fuck

  26. 26
    beltane says:

    @lamh35: Isn’t this consistent with (racist) Mormon beliefs having to do with Angle-Saxons being one of the tribes of Israel as opposed to the impostor tribes of Israel, i.e. the Jews?

    Or maybe I’m reading too much into this and all Rommney is saying here is that he plans on selling the USA to a London investment bank just as the founders would have wanted.

  27. 27
    Yutsano says:

    @lamh35: Ohh so close Willard. Just come on out and say it. You know you’ll feel better once it spews out of your mouth.

  28. 28
    JPL says:

    OT.. Why does Mitt lie all the time? I say it’s from his bullying days and then it became convenient. Now his bullying days could have occurred because he had such a successful daddy but that’s another story.

  29. 29

    So now that this portion of the bill was effectively repealed, what do they plan to replace it with?

    Why, they’ll replace it with the: “Ayn Rand ‘F*** Off and Die Now, You Lazy Parasite Act’ of 2012”

  30. 30
    jl says:

    @jwb:

    Well, hey, Willard, you know, at this rate, I am not going to be white man much longer. I don’t have enough Anglo Saxon in me.

    Will the Irish get a special exemption? Or should I try to pass as an Alpine curiosity: not enough of us ur-Swiss to threaten nobody, I hope. Maybe if I flee back to Zurich I can handle his money, and be treated well.

    Note to self: dispose of my tartan tie collection asap, tell cousin to burn his haggis recipe (which he never uses, but still, it’s evidence)

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @lamh35: And again I say: Holy fuck.

  32. 32

    @beltane:

    You and me both. That scared the hell out of me when I saw it. I live on the coast (albeit slightly inland), but if sea level rise is real then I could be in real trouble.

    I know this is a really silly question, and I know I will get “life is not a movie” slammed for it. But honestly what is the truth in the “I think we have reached a critical desalination point” part of “The day after tomorrow”? Anyone?

  33. 33
    BGinCHI says:

    Texas, it’s like a whole other country:

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US.....#038;or=tn

    You just can’t make this shit up.

  34. 34
    Roger Moore says:

    @lamh35:

    “Restore Anglo-Saxon relations…” W.T.F

    Shorter Mitt Romney:

    Have you noticed that Obama is Blackity Black Black?

  35. 35
    jl says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I think just the surface of the ice sheet melted, not the whole ice sheet. I guess the idea is if you walked over the whole continent, even over a mile above sea level, you would walking through slush.

    That is scary as shit, but a warning sign, not the calamity itself.

    And the whole Greenland ice sheet melting would be a fricken calamity, since all the ice above sea level would go directly to raising, well the sea level.

  36. 36
    BGinCHI says:

    @lamh35: Why does Mitt Romney hate the Normans?

    Pro tip for Mitt: the English (much less the other parts of the UK) are not Anglo Saxon.

    Do they teach history at Harvard?

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @beltane:

    Scary. This is talking about the amount of surface covered with ice? Do they mean it melted down to the rocks?

    And a bunch of other questions.

  38. 38
    JPL says:

    @BGinCHI: Moral of the story.. real men who carry concealed weapons are cowards and have to run and hide.

  39. 39
    Xantar says:

    So wait. Doesn’t this serve to remind conservatives that the ACA will reduce the budget deficit?

    Ok ok I’m sorry. I assumed that GOPers would employ critical thinking. My bad. I won’t do it again.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @danimal:

    How can you complain about the prospect of a 3-million-person increase in the number of those who have been freed from the tyrannical dead hand of government?

    Because it is all about the freedom, right? It couldn’t be anything as…petty…. tawdry, as money? Or sticking it to a President of the other party? It has to be a matter of high principle. Conservatism is a highly principled movement.

  41. 41
    Roger Moore says:

    @jl:

    Well, hey, Willard, you know, at this rate, I am not going to be white man much longer. I don’t have enough Anglo Saxon in me.

    If you’d just bend over, Mitt and his buddies will be happy to put lots of Anglo-Saxon in you, over and over again.

  42. 42
    JPL says:

    @Roger Moore: Anglo-Saxon probably won’t play well in LA.

  43. 43
    gelfling545 says:

    @beltane: It will use its invisible hands to cover its invisible eyes.

  44. 44
    lamh35 says:

    OT,
    I posted in an earlier thread about DiFi saying the WH was responsible for the leaks of classified info, well now DiFi trying to “walk it back”

    Too late now DiFi too damn late.


    Sen. Feinstein Backtracks On Leak Comments

  45. 45
    jl says:

    @Roger Moore: I worked in finance, I know the drill. Protective measures became a reflex. But, back then, I was still a white man, and as long as I pretended I wanted to get rich at the game, was treated no worse than anyone else.

    How much do these vicious loons need to talk before people realize that 99 percent are on their damn list, it is just a matter of prioritizing?

  46. 46
    Linda Featheringill says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/ear.....-melt.html

    Discussion from NASA website. Apparently, the melting is not going down to the ground. This is surface melting.

    So the surface is turning into slush? I’m sure it will find a way to run off.

  47. 47
    NotMax says:

    @linda Featheringill

    The inland glaciers covering most of Greenland are up to 2 kilometers thick, so no, not talking about melting down to the rocks. Yet.

    However, as the total weight of ice is decreased as it falls or melts away, the entire land mass is rising noticeably.

  48. 48
    WaterGirl says:

    @BGinCHI: Surely that’s grounds for taking away your concealed carry permit, even in Texas, right?

  49. 49
    jwb says:

    @jl: uncannily on mark, though myself, I’d have to flee to Thun or Berne.

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    @BGinCHI:

    Wait whut? I can trace my heritage back to the ancient Cornish tribes, (although I have to admit to having SOME french blood in my veins with an obscure relative with the name of Poms Frit for gawds sake). I am a proud Anglo Saxon. (Who wants nothing to do with Mitt Romney thank you very much).

  51. 51
    lamh35 says:

    Back OT, I’ve always been ACA advocate and I’ve known people who did not have insurance (myself included), but it really hit close to home with my mom having a heart attack 2 weeks ago. She works hard, but her job never gives her enough hours to work FT, so she works darn near FT hours, but with no health benefits. It wasn’t a problem at first because she was married and was on my step-father’s health insurance, but then they seperated (not divorced I recently found out they are still “legally” married) and my stepfather took my mother off his insurance. So since 2006, she has not had enough money to pay for her insulin, nor any real medical care except ER visits. Her untreated diabetes caught up to her 2 weeks ago when her heart which had 100% blockage in one artery and 95% blockage in another MADE her take notice. If it wasnt’ for her co-worker making her go to the ER, she would have gone home and she would be dead. Everyone of her doctors told her that the blockage and the subsuquent heart attack could all be brought back to her not keeping her diabetes in check.

    My mother working 12 hour days, but still unable to afford healthcare is exactly why I’ve become so engrossed in this whole healthcare debate and such.

  52. 52
    Raven says:

    Day after day, more people come to L.A.
    Ssh! Don’t you tell anybody the whole place is slipping away.
    Where can we go when there’s no San Francisco?
    Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

    Do you know the swim? You better learn quick, Jim.
    Those who don’t know how to swim, better sing the hymn.
    Tuna at the bowl. Fine fillet o’ much soul.
    Whoo! Whoo! What can we do with a bushel of wet gold?

    Day after day, more people come to L.A.
    Ssh! Don’t you tell anybody the whole place is slipping away.
    Where can we go when there’s no San Francisco?
    Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

    Where can we go when there’s no San Diego?
    Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

    Do you know the swim? You better learn quick, Jim.
    Those who don’t know how to swim, better sing the hymn.
    Tuna at the bowl. Fine fillet o’ much soul.
    Whoo! Whoo! What can we do with a bushel of wet gold?

    Day after day, more people come to L.A.
    Ssh! Don’t you tell anybody the whole place is slipping away.
    Where can we go when there’s no San Francisco?
    Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.
    Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho

  53. 53
    BGinCHI says:

    @JPL: You forgot “and they also shoot themselves in the ass.”

    I guess the old saw from A Christmas Story still applies:

    No, you’ll shoot your eye out.

  54. 54
    jl says:

    @BGinCHI: The English tend to be less sensitive than we USians, but I wonder how the 14 percent of England with other racial backgrounds think about Mitt’s racist, and ignorant statement?

    I remember watching a clip of debate between some racist party leader in the UK, and an English born guy of Pakistan almost in tears, asking the racist where he, a true born Englishman would go.

    Time to break out DeFoe’s True Born Englishman. See if I can find it.

  55. 55
    rikyrah says:

    they are fucking sociopaths.

    period.

  56. 56
    BGinCHI says:

    @WaterGirl: God only knows. That state has some fucked up laws.

  57. 57
    quannlace says:

    What do they plan to replace it with?

    Healthcare you can find in your own backyard ! Elm bark and tincture of dandelion root.

  58. 58
    Tonal Crow says:

    So now that this portion of the bill was effectively repealed, what do they plan to replace it with?

    More tax cuts for Romney, invading Iran, re-invading Iraq, and inserting their dirty hands into our sex organs. Any other silly questions?

  59. 59
    WaterGirl says:

    @quannlace:

    Elm bark and tincture of dandelion root.

    I’m pretty sure there’s someone trying to make those illegal, as we speak.

  60. 60
    BGinCHI says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I was pointing out the simple fact that England was a country inhabited by Anglo Saxons (and Jutes) who gave way (in the north especially) to the Norse and then (everywhere pretty much) to the Normans. It doesn’t make a bit of sense to call England (much less Wales, Scotland, No. Ireland) an “Anglo Saxon country” unless you have no idea at all how England was populated/settled/fought over.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    As the melt water flows into the Atlantic and messes with the Gulf Stream [which is already slowing down, I think]:

    Daughter has facebook friends who live in the UK and they are complaining this year that they’ve “had no real summer.” I did some comparing of temperatures in the UK versus the eastern seaboard of Canada and found them very similar. The UK does not want this to continue into the winter.

  62. 62
    scav says:

    @BGinCHI: Thank you Thank you Thank you for breaking the OT Ice. And, please, all, forgive me. Butt-Dueling.

  63. 63
    BGinCHI says:

    How fucked up is that poll that’s out this week saying that Romney is more trusted on the economy.

    WTF??

    Did they conduct it at a private golf club?

  64. 64
    BGinCHI says:

    @scav: How is that off topic?

  65. 65
    Brian R. says:

    @WaterGirl:

    Elm bark and tincture of dandelion root.

    And then I was slain by an elf.

  66. 66
    danimal says:

    @NotMax: Obviously the ‘scientists’ documenting the rise of Greenland as the Greenland ice cap supposedly melts are all part of the global warming conspiracy.

    Follow the money, man. Those ‘scientists’ from the University of Miami taking readings from GPS receivers are on the take. There is no other reason why U of Miami scientists would care about sea level changes, is there.

    I fear we won’t do anything about global warming until we lose another American city. Which will it be? New York City? Miami? New Orleans, again? Trick question…over time it’s All of the Above, and more.

  67. 67
    Anya says:

    @BGinCHI: The queen is not Anglo Saxon.

  68. 68
    jl says:

    @BGinCHI:

    The True-Born Englishman

    ” Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
    That het’rogeneous thing, an Englishman ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....Englishman

    with link to full text.

    And, I note, to bring on topic, this mongrel horde, who mixed in with those swarthy Latins for hundreds of years, all have good medical care.

    Now, we need Juvenal. We need to go all the way back, to our most distinguished original ancestors of nobility, the escaped convicts, criminals, outlaws and pervs.

  69. 69
    quannlace says:

    n remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested Mr Romney was better placed to understand the ties between the countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa. “We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage, and he feels that the special relationship is special,”

    Uhhh, somebody wanna clue Romney into the fact that the UK is a pretty diverse place, with second and third generations of people from India, Pakistan, Africa and the Caribbean.
    Or maybe he retroactively went back to the 1920’s and thought he was in ‘Brideshead Revisited.’

  70. 70
    scav says:

    @BGinCHI: Well, some consider bad puns a health hazard and we’re technically sposed to mindfully pontificating and/or ranting about insurance. Not that we color within the lines, really, or can even find the box to think outside of.

  71. 71
    jwb says:

    @BGinCHI: Hasn’t that been the case for most of the recent polls? That doesn’t mean that it makes any sense and it does confirm my sense that we are now living in a bizarro post-truth world.

  72. 72

    @BGinCHI: I agree and was being snarky, it STILL pisses me off that I have those damn frenchies in my family tree though. (and I can only use one side of my heritage as my father was adopted and the branch stops there) :) Having said that there are some of us who can trace their roots back to the original Anglo Saxons. However, there are as many people in England (and the rest of the UK) who can call themselves British who have many other roots, Jamaican, Pakistan, Indian, etc., etc., etc., we are almost more of a melting pot than the US is these days. My sister (adopted) is a prime example, she is half white and half black (much like POTUS) and has no idea where her family tree lies.

  73. 73
    Narcissus says:

    I was going to try to make some crack about traditional Pictish relations, but damn, this is just too fucked up. I am depressed.

  74. 74
    Raven says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I got that English, Irish, Norwegian thing going on.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @quannlace:

    Healthcare you can find in your own backyard ! Elm bark and tincture of dandelion root.

    You’d better be careful about encouraging people to grow their own cures in their backyards. Next thing you know, they’ll think that Cannabis sativa is an appropriate choice, and we wouldn’t want that.

  76. 76
    jwb says:

    @Roger Moore: Fields of poppies…

  77. 77
    PeakVT says:

    @lamh35: It’s lie after lie from Romney’s advisers in that article. If the Torygraph is trying to help Romney somehow, it’s doing a poor job.

  78. 78
    Roger Moore says:

    @jwb:
    And I’m not sure if Merck, GSK, et. al. are going to be happy about people making their own medicines. We wouldn’t want to hurt the profitability of our favorite drug companies, now would we?

  79. 79
    bago says:

    Chris Matthews is entertaining when he is pissed off.

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    Anya says:

    @lamh35: In Mittenz defense this is the telegraph where talking about. They make shit up all the time. Although, the Romney team is despicable and incompetent, so I wouldn’t put it pass them. The only reason they get any traction is because of a horrible media and 40% of the voting public voting solely on the bases of party identification.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @jl: Oh, lusty Juvenal!

    /See Nashe, Thomas and Marlowe, Kit.

  82. 82
    BGinCHI says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Yep, righto.

    Romney probably only meeting with bluebloods. I can’t wait till he tells them we don’t have class in America.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Anya: The Torygraph isn’t gonna make up stuff to make a conservative look bad.

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    john fremont says:

    @WaterGirl: Or exclusively patented by Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill , Monsanto, etc. and then donate a portion every year to private faith based charities as part of an annual PR campaign to show how much they Care.

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    gene108 says:

    @lamh35:

    About time someone kicked the wicked French influence out of the English and by colonization Americans.

    We need to go back to the pure Anglo-Saxon tradition that was pissed all over by the French in 1066.

  86. 86
    Anya says:

    @MikeJ: But do they believe that would make him look bad? They’re horid. They’ve been so fixated on Obama returning the loaned Churchil bust, I bet all they heard was “I will bring back the Churchill bust.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @lamh35: Any mention of taking up the White Man’s Burden? Or is that for next week?

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    bemused says:

    Romney is very comfortable lying. When he is trying to act like he understands the peasants he is beyond awkward. Since he “took the gloves off”, he looks like he is in his element. Yup, lying is second nature to him.

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    karen says:

    I guess Jews like me aren’t real Americans according to Romney:

    My parents are of Eastern European heritage after all.

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    @danimal:

    I fear we won’t do anything about global warming until we lose another American city.

    What makes you think we’ll do anything even then?

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    Anglo before 1066:

    As far as I have been able to ascertain, the surname Featheringill came over to England with the Normans.

    That’s not my maiden name. I’m actually kin to the Stuarts through one of their [many] illegitimate offspring. Dunno how Anglo-Saxon they were.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Anya: They’re not that bad. They recognize when something sounds bad, even if they agree with it. (Disclaimer: I did some work there on IT stuff. I still disagree with their editorial stance though.)

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    Calouste says:

    @lamh35:

    Well, you don’t expect someone with Irish heritage and a name like O’Bama to really appreciate the abuse that Anglo-Saxons on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean have heaped on the Irish over the centuries.

    Or is that not what Romney meant?

    /s

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    Roger Moore says:

    @karen:

    I guess Jews like me aren’t real Americans according to Romney

    If your ethnic group does not vote reliably Republican, you aren’t a Real American(TM). It really is that simple.

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    NotMax says:

    Not that it should matter a whit, but regarding Obama’s ancestry and “Anglo-Saxon”:

    Obama also shares a common descent from Richard FitzAlan, Earl of Arundel, and Elizabeth Bohun, with former Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, John Quincy Adams, James Madison, and Zachary Taylor. From this line, President Obama is descended from English Royalty.
    __
    Obama shares a common descent from King Edward I of England, King Henry III of England, King John Lackland of England, King Henry II of England, King Henry I of England, King William I of England (i.e. William “the Conqueror”), Count Baldwin of Flanders and his daughter Matilda, King Robert Capet I of France, King Louis I of France, and Charlemagne.
    __
    His earliest known ancestor in America was Robert Hudson who arrived in Jamestown in 1622 on the ship “James.”

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    Origuy says:

    @Anya:

    The queen is not Anglo Saxon.

    German, mostly, on her father’s side, but her mother was English and Scottish. There’s some Saxon ancestry in the royal line, but it’s pretty thin.

  97. 97
    NotMax says:

    Try that again.

    Obama also shares a common descent from Richard FitzAlan, Earl of Arundel, and Elizabeth Bohun, with former Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, John Quincy Adams, James Madison, and Zachary Taylor. From this line, President Obama is descended from English Royalty.
    __
    Obama shares a common descent from King Edward I of England, King Henry III of England, King John Lackland of England, King Henry II of England, King Henry I of England, King William I of England (i.e. William “the Conqueror”), Count Baldwin of Flanders and his daughter Matilda, King Robert Capet I of France, King Louis I of France, and Charlemagne.
    __
    His earliest known ancestor in America was Robert Hudson who arrived in Jamestown in 1622 on the ship “James.”

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Y’know, if Obama gets re-elected, keeps the Senate and takes back the House, I think a lot of people will be surprised what a cold hard nasty son of a bitch he’s gonna be. As Wesley Snipes said in New Jack City, “Sit your five dollar ass down before I make change.” These soft whiny pasty-faced GOP asswipes have no idea what’s waiting for them around the corner. I can’t wait.

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    trollhattan says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Should that happen, popcorn and beer’s on me the first year. But I haz my doubts about the House.

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    El Cid says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    ’know, if Obama gets re-elected, keeps the Senate and takes back the House, I think a lot of people will be surprised what a cold hard nasty son of a bitch he’s gonna be.

    Perhaps, but I think a whole lot of people I know and who live near me and work with me will be surprised what a cold hard nasty son of a bitch I’m going to be, after these years with their asses all on their shoulders about welfare and Obama killing th’econmee and inflatino and ACORN and he’s killin’ Amurka and blah blah blah blah blah.

    They have no idea how badly I’m going to rub it in.

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    satby says:

    @El Cid: I’m not even waiting til the election. I’m a cold, hard, nasty bitch rubbing their faces in how stupid and evil the Repugs are every day to people.

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    honus says:

    @efgoldman: How about our special relationship with the French? You know, the country that was on our side during the Revolution.

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    Lurking Canadian says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: That sounds like a fine plan, but what is going to change? The media is still in the tank for Satan, the Senators can still filibuster, secret hold and/or pearl clutch the whole government to a standstill…What can he really do differently?

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @lamh35: OMG, I hope your mom pulls through. That’s terrible and I don’t know how you keep it together with that going on.

    In other industrialized countries you might work a shitty job and live in a dingy apartment and be poor, but you have access to fucking affordable healthcare. I mean, diabetes supplies? Should be available.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: now that made me laugh

    Take up the White Man’s Burden
    To send the jobs offshore
    So swarthy Mex’ and Red Chinee
    Can earn a little more…

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @Calouste: None more Irish, &cet.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Relevant.

    Oh what a day, if we took back the house.

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @honus: Boo-Yah!

    What is Mittens going to do, return the Statue of Liberty? Rename LaFayette Square?

    Suck it, bitches! /sadly, after many years of public school French I have no idea how to say that in French… they really neglected that whole cursing thing, although I could call someone a dirty liar and a turkey. really has that sting, you know?

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    Lex says:

    In SC, where GOP Gov. Nikki Haley has said they’ll turn down federal Medicaid funding, the hospitals are starting to pressure her to change her mind. Good luck with that, but it’s nice to see the reality-based community exercise a little influence.

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