Karl Rove (Yes, *That* Karl Rove) Accuses Obama Campaign of ‘Gutter Politics’

Karl Rove on the Obama campaign attacks on Mitt Romney over the Bain Capital shenanigans:

“Remember who’s up for grabs in this election: independent voters. They were drawn to Obama in 2008 because he was going to change politics and raise and elevate the political discourse. This is gutter politics of the worst Chicago sort.”

And with those words, Irony farted, hiccuped, lapsed into a coma, and was just pronounced dead. Irony is survived by its siblings Snark and Sarcasm, and its children, Side-Eye and One Arched Eyebrow.

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216 replies
  1. 1
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Bottom line, Turdblossom’s got nothing.

  2. 2
    BD of MN says:

    Snark couldn’t make the funeral, however, he was too busy tweeting #retroactively

  3. 3
    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    Poor widdle Karl. Someone on the Democrats has figured out how to play his game better than him.

    From this Canuck – Fuck you Karl

  4. 4
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    There are times when I think the evil little troll is purposefully baiting the media, “Let’s see if I can make these idiots swallow this load.” I think he and I have the same level of contempt for the likes of David Gregory and John King.

  5. 5
    Violet says:

    That’s what you say when you got nothing. And the best part it, he essentially confirmed that Romney’s a felon. He said the words:

    “If the president continues to make this charge — this outrageous charge — that his campaign had that Romney is guilty of felonious activity [and] committed a felony, that’s a big mistake,” said Rove on Fox News Sunday.

    Has even Rove lost his PR ability? You don’t say things like that. It puts those words in people’s heads.

  6. 6
    NonyNony says:

    Mommy, mommy it’s not fair! Democrats aren’t supposed to fight back when I push their heads into the toilet!

    Ah the tears of a bully. If I weren’t afraid of diseases I would collect enough to fill a whine bottle and serve them chilled.

    If there were any more proof needed that Karl Rove is not a supergenius but just a man blessed with a good candidate in George W Bush and with poor opponents in Al Gore and John Kerry who just weren’t ready for his kind of gutter politics, it’s this.

  7. 7
    beltane says:

    Oh noez, Republicans cowering in fear at scary Chicago politics. What is the world coming to.

    Meanwhile, while we’re talking about scary people, it looks like Mitt Romney is losing his base http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....-at-Romney

    Wait until the Steri-cycle ads come out showing that Mitt Romney profited off the disposal of unborn children. It’s like he ran his own abortionplex.

  8. 8
    Mike in NC says:

    This is gutter politics of the worst Chicago sort.

    The usual GOP racial dog-whistle. Try harder fat boy.

  9. 9
    NonyNony says:

    @BD of MN:

    Actually I believe that you’ll find that Snark did in fact attend the funeral #retroactively.

  10. 10
    Linda Featheringill says:

    Rove’s whining is such music to my ears.

  11. 11
    dp says:

    Well, if Karl Rove is offended ….

    it must be fucking awesome!

  12. 12
    gf120581 says:

    If Rove is telling you to stop something, you’re doing that something right.

    Turd Blossom can’t stand it when someone plays the game better than he does.

  13. 13
    Lord Jesus Perm says:

    @Mike in NC: Beat me to it.

  14. 14
    efgoldman says:

    This is gutter politics of the worst Chicago sort.

    Oh, Karl, you’re such a kidder. Oh hahahahahahaha! Now tell us the one about Dubya’s military record. Hahahahahahaha.
    [Translation: We done fucked with the best politician of this generation, and got our clocks cleaned.]

    BTW, when all the panty bunching was going on through the spring and early summer, one commenter here was consistent in saying don’t worry, Obama’s got this. :::ahem:::

  15. 15
    YellowJournalism says:

    @BD of MN: Sarcasm REALLY wanted to be there, but he just couldn’t make it.

  16. 16
    piratedan says:

    Projection, thy name is Karl…..

  17. 17
    Zifnab25 says:

    In before “pot” or “kettle” references.

  18. 18
    Roger Moore says:

    @Violet:

    Has even Rove lost his PR ability? You don’t say things like that. It puts those words in people’s heads.

    It’s certainly a gamble. The goal is to make people feel as if there needs to be a higher level of proof to sustain the accusations against Romney; you don’t accept that somebody’s a felon based on he said/she said evidence. But it massively increases the damage if people decide that the burden of proof is met. Smells like panic to me.

  19. 19
    Thor Heyerdahl says:

    What Karl, you didn’t think Barack didn’t learn a few things about being street smart while on Chicago’s south side?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E

  20. 20
    dmsilev says:

    @efgoldman:

    BTW, when all the panty bunching was going on through the spring and early summer, one commenter he was consistent in saying don’t worry, Obama’s got this. :::ahem:::

    Do you remember the “Everybody chill the fuck out! I got this!” picture from 2008? The other day, some of the folks at dkos updated it.

  21. 21
    dmsilev says:

    @Zifnab25:

    In before “pot” or “kettle” references.

    Racist!

    (sorry…)

  22. 22
    marv says:

    I don’t get this invocation of Chicago-style politics as a cutdown, anyhow. I think in Obama’s case it’s more like Second City won, Sean Connery in The Untouchables, and Ditka and da bears. Does Rove think we associate Mayor Daley and the ’68 convention with Obama? (ps – I find the concept of retroactive retirement is liberating my mind, making me want to ‘spress myself etc., and I want to preemptively retroactively apologize for any stupid stuff I might say here)

  23. 23
    ErinSiobhan says:

    I feel like I’m totally missing something. In the SEC filings, Romney is listed as the owner and CEO of Bain. He claims that he wasn’t involved in the day to day running of the company and that his CEO title was on paper only. But he remained the owner. The sole owner.

    How can he not be responsible if he was the owner and profited from Bain’s activities? Quibble all you want about how he was only a rubber stamp for the deals that were signed and the paperwork that was submitted to authorities. But he was the OWNER. As owner, he would have more than a little bit of input into selection of the management team. The idea that this management team went “rogue” and started doing things that Mitt wouldn’t have done is absurd.

    The only thing entertaining about this is watching the contortions of Republicans trying to spin some angle on this to save the reputation of their candidate.

  24. 24
    Steven says:

    It’s a fake-out, man. The independents, whoever they are, may be up for grabs, but its motivating the base that wins elections. Can he get the Democrats to believe that they need to play to independents?

  25. 25
    Yutsano says:

    @dmsilev: That is winning. Right there.

  26. 26
    efgoldman says:

    @beltane:

    “That’s why it would be good for him to have someone like Palin speaking at the convention. He needs to do something to rile up his base, to make them enthusiastic. And I don’t mean just the Tea Party. I mean die-hard Republicans. I live in the second-most-Republican county in the state of Georgia, and the folks around here are not enthusiastic about him.”

    Gawd, I haven’t laughed this hard since the first tine I saw Holy Grail.
    Oh pull-eeze Mittster. Give Sarah a prime-time speaking slot.

  27. 27
    Turgidson says:

    @Thor Heyerdahl:

    Yes, and as an added benefit, Obama gets to play Rove’s game using actual, verifiable facts. Not steaming piles of bullshit and reprehensible smears.

    Suck on it, Karl. Also too, I hope your amoral ass enjoys the wing of hell that’s being constructed just for you, whenever you mercifully arrive there and leave the rest of the world the fuck alone permanently.

  28. 28
    NotMax says:

    Karl Rove.

    Two four-letter words, in both senses of that term.

  29. 29
    Violet says:

    @Roger Moore: I disagree. If Karl had been wanting to get people to question it, he would not have put the words in that order. People remember what they hear. You’ll notice lifeguards say, “Walk!” instead of “Don’t run!” because people will hear the “run” and they’ll process it as it’s okay to run by the pool. When Rove said:

    Romney is guilty of felonious activity [and] committed a felony,

    People will hear “Romeny is guilty of felonious activity” and “Romney committed a felony” instead of the opposite. To compound it, Rove followed with:

    that’s a big mistake,”

    So now Romney “committed a felony” and “that’s a big mistake”. That’s what people will hear, instead of what Rove is supposed to be saying, which is the opposite.

    There are a myriad of other ways he could have worded it and he didn’t. I think Rove knows Romney’s in a pickle and I think he inadvertently told the truth, that Romney committed a felony.

  30. 30
    MikeBoyScout says:

    Bullies hate it when you defend yourself with a roundhouse landing squarely on the jaw.

    F*ck turd blossom’s whining and concern trolling. Kick him in the crotch.

  31. 31
    NonyNony says:

    @Steven:

    The independents, whoever they are, may be up for grabs, but its motivating the base that wins elections. Can he get the Democrats to believe that they need to play to independents?

    You actually need both in this country. Neither party can win with just their base.

    But it turns out that most independents in this country don’t have warm fuzzy feelings for lying sack-of-crap CEOs of slash-and-burn pirate ventures disguised as companies. So Romney has a tiny bit of an uphill battle and hasn’t done himself any favors by actually deciding to base his qualifications for president on being a lying sack-of-crap CEO of a slash-and-burn pirate venture disguised as a company. Who knew?

  32. 32
    dmsilev says:

    @efgoldman: The funny thing is that Sarah Palin’s Convention invitation got lost in the mail. Might we be so lucky that he spurns her and she does something attention-grabbingly-train-wrecky-hilarious in response?

  33. 33
    Amir Khalid says:

    Mitt’s whingeing fever is contagious. It’s spread to Karl Rove now. Soon a whole party could go down with it.

    By the way, the greatest-ever practitioner of the One Arched Eyebrow was of course Agent Scully, who used it on Agent Mulder a lot.

  34. 34
    ruemara says:

    @efgoldman: Does god love us enough for this? Perhaps if I start making with the sacrifices now… Holy Ones, accept these candles, blessed Nemesis, Loki, spread thy joy all across the Republican Convention and throughout all downticket races. Amen.

  35. 35
    efgoldman says:

    @dmsilev:

    The funny thing is that Sarah Palin’s Convention invitation got lost in the mail.

    Damn! I haven’t laughed so much in a BJ comment thread since the time we tried to see who could post the most Muppet videos.

  36. 36
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Hilarious post! Although to be fair to the Rightwingers, they can say the most bizarre things with a straight face. You’d almost think they were being “for real”.

  37. 37
    NonyNony says:

    @Violet: You are correct. And Rove of all people should know how to pick his words more carefully. You’d think it would be instinctive for a rodent like him who’s been at it for this long.

    So … more evidence that he’s not actually an evil supergenius but in fact got lucky, or evidence that he’s sticking a shiv in Romney’s back but doing it subtly so he’s got deniability.

    I go with option 1 – the man isn’t half as good as he pretends to be. But I’m willing to hear a case for option 2 if anyone knows why Rove would be out there knifing Romney in the back.

  38. 38
    General Stuck says:

    Wingnuts look like a bunch of thumb sucking bullies with their fannies nailed to the barn door. I love it. I really do. But the boys of summer call for a Sunday Sermon in The Church of Base-a-Ball

    GO REDLEGS!!

  39. 39
    efgoldman says:

    @ruemara:

    Does god love us enough for this?

    Well the only deities I believe in are Monty Python and Kermit The Frog. But they might love us enough.

  40. 40
    JPL says:

    @General Stuck: On google news type in Mitt whine..
    I haven’t tried regular google yet because I wanted to see how many news articles there were about the cry baby. Mitt might even make Boehner cry.

  41. 41
    Roger Moore says:

    @ErinSiobhan:
    There’s another crucial point that I haven’t seen anyone make about this. Look at the level of accountability that Romney expects of others compared to himself. He wants to blame every bad thing that’s happened in the USA since November 2008 on Obama. It doesn’t matter that the Federal government is only one part of the country, or that Obama is only the head of one branch and had to fight the Republicans to get anything done. He’s the President, so everything is his responsibility.

    On the other hand, he wants to disclaim everything bad that happened at Bain. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t just President but also CEO, Chairman of the Board, and sole stockholder. It’s not his fault because his handpicked subordinates were in charge, not him. Just one more example of Mitt’s double standard when it comes to responsibility.

  42. 42
    runt says:

    You know, I heard that Obama guy has two black daughters…

  43. 43
    patrick II says:

    Tbogg has a great shot of Obama’s reaction to Romney’s demand for an apology.

  44. 44
    chopper says:

    you know, being from a long line of chicagoans, i gotta say fuck you, karl.

  45. 45
    Caliph Garrett says:

    Rove, you magnificent bastard, I read your goddamn book!

  46. 46
    JCT says:

    @dmsilev: She must be thrilled over her “missing” invite. I can just see her at home plotting a surprise visit to Tampa. She’s probably watching “Carrie” over and over for inspiration.

    Oh, and keep squealing, Karl.

  47. 47
    Cassidy says:

    @NonyNony: You win.

  48. 48
    patrick II says:

    Tbogg has a great reaction shot of Obama when he heard of Romney’s demand for an apology.

  49. 49
    the Conster says:

    Bloomberg puts another torpedo into the SS Failboat. Casino capitalism – that’s gonna hurt.

  50. 50
    Tonal Crow says:

    @patrick II: Sweet!

  51. 51
    PaulW says:

    Irony was revived #retroactively

  52. 52
    feebog says:

    Rove is perfectly ok with his allies defaming a war hero like John Kerry. Remember, IOKIYAR. But when the Obama team comes out with what are perfectly legitimate questions about rMoney’s involement at Bain, that’s gutter politics.

    I think a lot of people are beginning to figure out that Rove is far from the political genius that he would have them believe. He is simply a dirty tricks specialist who will cross any line, willingly lower the bar of political discourse, and line his own pockets while doing it.

  53. 53
    JPL says:

    Someone on TBogg had the best excuse for not releasing his federal tax returns.. The story goes in 2010 he claimed NH residency buy voted in MA elections. That would be hilarious but to good to be true. .
    Since we don’t have the documents, speculation would be fair.. what if…

  54. 54
    calipygian says:

    What? This Karl Rove said “gutter politics”:

    Some of Kennedy’s campaign commercials touted his volunteer work, including one that showed him holding hands with children. “We were trying to counter the positives from that ad,” a former Rove staffer told me, explaining that some within the See camp initiated a whisper campaign that Kennedy was a pedophile.

    I guess if Obama had implied Romney was a Catholic Priest, it’d be all good.

  55. 55
    Violet says:

    One of the other things Romney has going against him is that people are tired of ultra rich CEOs tanking companies and making off with golden parachutes worth millions, while regular people lose their jobs, health insurance and houses. They’re sick of rich bankers, takeover speshulists, investment bankers, Wall St. types, and vulture capitalists because the more we’ve revered those types the worse our economy has gotten.

    A decade or two ago, you could talk about being a “CEO President” and people thought that was a good thing. Not so much anymore. Which CEO? Enron’s? Lehman Bros.? What would a CEO President do? Destroy the entire US economy? People are skeptical of those types and it just doesn’t sell like it used to.

    So when Romney tries to run on that record, the number of people who buy into it as a good thing has shrunk and the number of people who are wary has increased. Now this “retired retroactively” and “made at least $100K but ‘wasn’t CEO'” crap surfaces. People don’t trust it.

    So Romney is not a good candidate for these times. He doesn’t have a lot to offer and what he does offer is now questionable. The Republicans are in a tough spot.

  56. 56
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Violet: Exactly.

    Thankfully, Gordon Gekko isn’t being held up as a positive role model anymore.

  57. 57
    NotMax says:

    @JCT

    I can just see her at home plotting a surprise visit to Tampa.

    Not if she ever finds out whence the name Tampa derives.

    It’s most often thought to come from a Native American term meaning “fiery sticks” (because of frequent summertime lightning strikes) or “stick gathering place.”

    Now, we all know what the British slang for a bundle of sticks is. And, too, for a flaming bundle of sticks.

  58. 58
    Older_Wiser says:

    Why isn’t that sick fuck Rove in jail?

  59. 59
    the Conster says:

    Plz release my comment from moderation ABL, and I’ll never use that c word again that’s a synonym for a place of wagering. Ktxh.

  60. 60
    danielx says:

    I thought irony died the day Henry Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize, but I was misinformed.

    Karl, stop! You’re killin’ me here…by the way, are you still fucking pigs?

  61. 61
    Culture of Truth says:

    oh man screw Karl Rove

  62. 62
    Caliph Garrett says:

    Comment moderator, mine was a PATTON reference; blue language was ineluctable. Please release me!

  63. 63
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Violet:

    Exactly. It’s why traffic signs say STOP and SLOW instead of Do Not DRIVE FAST or Try Not to SPEED.

  64. 64
    catclub says:

    I want someone to ask Mitt if he had his fingers crossed when he signed all those documents submitted to the SEC.

  65. 65
    Roger Moore says:

    @Violet:
    Good point. I missed that, probably because I already know enough about the story that I’m not carefully parsing Rove’s words. I try to tell people this as a rule of teaching: when you’re correcting somebody, tell them how to do it right, not just that their current way is wrong. It’s hard when there’s more than one way to do something, like in art, but it’s a good place to start. What would be an example of one of the myriad ways he could have said it better?

  66. 66
    Shalimar says:

    The correct response to this is, “Everyone respects Mr. Rove’s knowledge of gutter politics. We will apologize when his illegitimate gay black children ask us to.”

  67. 67
    Roger Moore says:

    @Shalimar:
    Nah, I think the correct response should be to mock him as viciously as possible. Something like, “Somebody call 911. Mr. Rove needs a waaahmbulance.”

  68. 68
    hells littlest angel says:

    “…Romney is guilty of felonious activity …” said Rove on Fox News Sunday.

  69. 69
    hells littlest angel says:

    “…Romney is guilty of felonious activity …” said Rove on Fox News Sunday.

    Think I could get a job working for Fox?

  70. 70
    David Koch says:

    Fail.

  71. 71
    Haydnseek says:

    @NonyNony: Just a theory, but I suspect that Rove is slipping Rmoney the shiv because he knows he has a loser on his hands, and in spite of all the voter suppression and Citizens United money, he’s setting everything up for 2016, when their guy won’t be a Mormon robot that pisses off the evangelical wingnuts to the extent that they might not vote for Rmoney. I didn’t always believe this, but when Rove starts punching holes in his own liferaft, you know there’s trouble in River City.

  72. 72
    J.D. Rhoades says:

    Holy shit, there’s a link to my book at Amazon in one of the sidebar ads. Cool.

  73. 73
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    They were drawn to Obama in 2008 because he was going to change politics and raise and elevate the political discourse.

    Maybe a few pony-wanters, but no, they were drawn to Obama because he was an alternative to the train-wreck goober YOU put in office, Mr. Rove. Not to mention that you put him there by lowering the political discourse.

    What a jerk.

  74. 74
    BigD says:

    A correlation can be made between consumption of red meat and the political transgressions of a challenger. As a consequence of this, one can observe that if Karl Rove was to engage in a wrestling match with David Axelrod, that Karl would emerge victorious, as it looks like Axelrod eats too much pasta at buffet lines.

    Puppeh!

  75. 75
    Cassidy says:

    I think he inadvertently told the truth

    Nothing inadvertent about it. He has millions of dollars queued up to spend on a losing battle. Why not take the chance to pull out a winner now.

  76. 76
    NotMax says:

    By emphasizing Chicago politics as a pejorative, Rove is likely trying (unsuccessfully, IMHO, as it is just too convoluted and contrived) to float a “takes a felon to know a felon” trial balloon.

  77. 77
    maya says:

    “If the president continues to make this charge — this outrageous charge — that his campaign had that Romney is guilty of felonious activity [and] committed a felony, that’s a big mistake,” said Rove on Fox News Sunday.

    “Felonious Mitt”. Just rolls off the tongue.

  78. 78
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @Haydnseek: when Rove fucks up, there’s trouble in River City.

    Maybe, but this looks like you’re accepting the “Rove = genius” formula, which is far from proven IMO. I think he got lucky and infected the body politic with his particular diseases before it got some immunity built up, and that’s ALL he did.

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    Randy P says:

    Dear Karl: Nobody is making that charge. They’re pointing out the lying to the SEC on these filings is a felony. Nobody is saying Mitt lied. So what you’re saying is that the filings were true, right? Mitt was president, CEO, sole stockholder, etc of Bain at the time?

  81. 81
    Roger Moore says:

    @maya:

    “Felonious Mitt”

    Get your Felonious Mitt off my Presidency!

  82. 82
    Mike E says:

    @Culture of Truth:

    screw Karl Rove

    With his enemy list, you’d think that line would stretch around the block.

  83. 83
    Msskwesq says:

    @chopper: Me too. Long line of Chicagoans. Uncle Karl can’t hold a candle to the skills of our pols.

  84. 84
    TheOtherWA says:

    When Karl Rove says Team Obama is making a mistake, you know they’re doing something right. Time to double down, boys.

  85. 85
    lamh35 says:

    OT, but such good karma I’m just laughing my ass off:

    Journalists Are Mad About Being in Romney’s New Ad

    Bob Scheiffer I can understand, but Mark “Dick” Halperin I’d put even money on it, that he loves it that his BFF Mittens thought enough of him to put him in an ad, but I guess he can’t let it on ow happy he really is. David Brooks hasn’t weighed in yet, but since he’s DougJ’s fav writer I be he has an idea of what Brooksie will have to say about it.

  86. 86
    David Koch says:

    Osama bin Laden’s ghost just released a letter saying Rove is right, Obama doesn’t play fair: “My good friend and former business partner George W. Bush never pursued me, yet Obummer shot me in the eye like Moe Green! That ain’t right!”

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    Jewish Steel says:

    Guitar politics? Hey, that’s something I could actually…oh. Nevermind.

  88. 88
    NonyNony says:

    @Haydnseek:

    The problem with any “setting Mitt up to fail to clear the way for 2016” theory is that you have to believe that they’re willing to throw away the downticket races as well. Because if the Presidential voters turn out for Obama and not for Romney there could be some House races and Senate seats that shift over to the D column.

    The only way THAT works is if Rove is truly nothing but a partisan hack who doesn’t actually care if conservative ideology or the Republican party gets set back, but only really cares about setting up the field for his own political candidates. Which, I guess, is a theory that would fit with the evidence of what we know about Karl Rove (amoral creep who would push his own grandma in front of a bus if it gave him a political advantage), but I don’t think I’m ready to believe that Rove really does the horrible things he does without hoping to advance the conservative position as a whole.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @efgoldman: No! The talking python tempted Eve, and there was an apple, and then a bunch of crazy bullshit that we still haven’t recovered from. While Kermit dreams of what might have been had he been more thoughtful in his choice of tempting produce…

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    elaine benes says:

    I’m thoroughly enjoying the rabid anti-choicers justifying Romney’s Stericycle involvement.

    These same idiots were screaming “Money is fungible!!!” six months ago during the Komen/Planned Parenthood showdown.

    The cog dis is boggling.

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    Msskwesq says:

    I am enjoying this Romney debacle, but it makes me a bit nervous that he’ll step aside and they will ‘draft’ Jeb or Christie or someone who will slip through and beat Obama. Just call me paranoid, I know. Anyone else a worrier?

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    MikeJ says:

    @lamh35: That ad is so hilarious in sooo many ways. Imagine a campaign running an ad who’s only message is, “I’m not tough enough to stand up to Obama.”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Cassidy:
    Then again, if Rove shivs Mitt before the convention, the party will be in serious disarray then, and whoever replaces Mitt as the nominee (after a nasty if not necessarily public fight) is definitely not going to be ready for Obama. The party brand will be badly damaged, which will harm every Republican running for office and depress their chances of keeping the House and winning the Senate. I don’t know if Rove wants to risk getting blamed for that.

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    efgoldman says:

    @Jewish Steel:

    Guitar politics? Hey, that’s something I could actually…oh. Nevermind.

    Well, its got Turdblossom fretting.

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    MikeJ says:

    @efgoldman: I just wish he’d shut his f hole.

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    David Koch says:

    @elaine benes: Where is that goining on?

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    Yutsano says:

    @BigD: BoB is that you?

    @elaine benes: Any sin by a member of the Tribe can be instantly forgiven and dismissed. All other sins are evil.

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    GxB says:

    @maya: Straight, no chaser… Oops got him confused with someone else.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Xecky Gilchrist:

    I think he got lucky and infected the body politic with his particular diseases before it got some immunity built up, and that’s ALL he did.

    This is definitely part of the story. In addition, George W Bush was an outstanding Republican candidate – one of the best that they’ve had in decades (definitely the best since Reagan). He lost the popular vote to Gore – who was busily running away from a record of 8 years of success because the beltway panty sniffers convinced him that CLENIS!!! was a millstone around his neck instead of an asset. And he almost lost the electoral college vote too – mostly because Rove had a stupid College Republican ratfucking strategy that didn’t work, but Florida being a shade this side of a banana republic saved his ass.

    Democrats want to believe that Bush was stupid and an “obviously terrible” candidate and that his victory could only have come via an evil genius pulling strings behind the scenes. So Rove gets the credit when he shouldn’t. Bush was in fact an awesome Republican candidate for whipping up the base of his party, which encouraged a “winner” mentality that pulled in independents. The more that Democrats refuse to understand this dynamic and give credit to Rove instead, the more the Rove myth grows (and the more likely those voters are to make a bonehead mistake in 2016 when the next primary season comes rolling around and pick someone “electable” like John Kerry was instead of someone they can get fired up about).

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    Princess Leia says:

    @Msskwesq: I am wondering too. Seems that there could be disarray, but could be played as the party doing what is best for the country, blah, blah blah. Lots of air time, flags and everyone feels good that the evil Mitt is gone, a white knight is chosen so the independents can be clear to vote for the party “above” politics. Call me cynical. I have Daddy issues.

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    Cassidy says:

    @Amir Khalid: Rove is an enigma wrapped in asshole wrapped in stupid. He’s not a genius by any stretch. At this pint though, they can blow millions on a candidate no one likes who’s lies are starting to become to visible to ignore or they can blow millions on a charismatic individual. They’ve really got nothing to lose.

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    gbear says:

    Does god love us enough for this?

    I’ll believe in god’s love when David Axelrod goes on a news show and tells Romney and Rove to call the waaambulance.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Haydnseek: Dread Kthermit dreams in his house on S’same Street?

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    El Cid says:

    Does anyone outside Chicago and the Republican bubble have any emotional reaction to charges of “Chicago-style politics”?

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    karen marie says:

    @dmsilev:

    The hoped-for dinner with Tea Party leaders has not been scheduled.

    Hahahaha.

    Can you imagine Mittstake and the Missus having to eat with those people?

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    Cassidy says:

    And really their best chance is Paul. As crazy as that sounds he’s the only one who appeals to the schizo demographic.

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    JCT says:

    @Amir Khalid: Mitt’s the nominee all the way. There is no chance that Jeb or Gov Asshole Donuts would throw away their political careers to take over this leaky scow of a party.

    I’m just surprised that Mitt hit the iceberg so hard and so early…

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    MikeJ says:

    @El Cid: Obama uses Chicago style politics and Romney has a thin crust.

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    Peter says:

    @Msskwesq: If they have to switch horses that late in the race, they’re already hosed. You can’t go from zero to campaign in two months. Especially if you have Jeb’s toxic last name or Christie’s “who?”.

    If they ditch Romney they’re almost certainly looking at a Mondale-style blowout.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Msskwesq:

    I am enjoying this Romney debacle, but it makes me a bit nervous that he’ll step aside and they will ‘draft’ Jeb or Christie or someone who will slip through and beat Obama. Just call me paranoid, I know. Anyone else a worrier?

    I can’t see Romney bowing out. Even if he’s crippled by revelations of something really nasty in his tax returns. The problem that the Republicans have in that case is that there’s no easy way of either forcing him out (besides “encouraging” him to step aside voluntarily) or of picking a replacement. Any replacement will come in on the heels of a really nasty fight and a correspondingly split party. And then that replacement will have all of two months to get up to speed against the Obama campaign. It’d be a disaster for the Republicans. So, unless evidence surfaces that Mitt Romney *personally* conducted abortions or something, the GOP is stuck with him.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Msskwesq:

    but it makes me a bit nervous that he’ll step aside and they will ‘draft’ Jeb or Christie or someone who will slip through and beat Obama.

    Let me allay your fears.

    Picture the Republican National Convention. Romney steps aside because he has to deal with some “personal issues” and asks his delegates to support Jeb Bush (or Chris Christie or whatever magical pony the GOP convinces themselves doesn’t have an opposition research file in the Obama Team’s HQ that is a foot and a half thick).

    Ron Paul’s minions go seriously apeshit because of this undemocratic assault on FREEDOM!!!

    Seriously – bring it on. Watching the Republican Party take the assault from the Ron Paul Love Army might make the convention worth watching. The Republican Party is nowhere near the monolithic entity that many liberals believe it to be – it kind of resembled that when Bush was in charge and all the different factions had a single figurehead to unite behind, but post-Bush the party is a shambles and isn’t going to jump like that just because the guys at the top say so. Hell many of them will be mad at the guys at the top for pushing Romney on them in the first place. The evangelicals might want to push Huckabee – who knows there could be open revolt and the libertarians could team up with the evangelicals for a Paul/Huckabee ticket. The chaos would be delicious. (And it won’t happen – you won’t be able to pry that nomination out of Romney’s fingers once he’s gotten THAT close to his Precious).

    (To add another log to the fire – claims have been made in the Paul-o-sphere that there are many Paul supporters among the delegates who are, by party rule, pledged to Romney. If the delegates are released from their obligation to vote for Romney they aren’t necessarily going to vote the way Romney tells them to. Which would make it even more delicious).

    ETA:
    @Peter:

    If they ditch Romney they’re almost certainly looking at a Mondale-style blowout.

    OTOH, I wouldn’t go that far with the optimism. If they did go that far and ditched Romney for a new face the new floor for the popular vote would probably be somewhere around Mondale’s 40% instead of the 45% floor I think Romney gets even with his financial troubles.

    But whoever gets nominated will carry far more states than Mondale despite that new floor. Most of the electoral college votes from the die-hard Republican states in the South would still belong to the GOP, even with the chaos.

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    gbear says:

    Unlimited Corporate CRASH!!

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    donnah says:

    And with those words, Irony farted, hiccuped, lapsed into a coma, and was just pronounced dead. Irony is survived by its siblings Snark and Sarcasm, and its children, Side-Eye and One Arched Eyebrow.

    weeping here, tears of extreme laughter.

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    El Cid says:

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

    Romney’s Bain Yielded Private Gains, Socialized Losses
    __
    By Anthony Luzzatto Gardner Jul 15, 2012 6:30 PM ET
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    BLOOMBERG — Mitt Romney touts his business acumen and job-creation record as a key qualification for being the next U.S. president.
    __
    What’s clear from a review of the public record during his management of the private-equity firm Bain Capital from 1985 to 1999 is that Romney was fabulously successful in generating high returns for its investors.
    __
    He did so, in large part, through heavy use of tax-deductible debt, usually to finance outsized dividends for the firm’s partners and investors.
    __
    When some of the investments went bad, workers and creditors felt most of the pain.
    __
    Romney privatized the gains and socialized the losses.

    Soshullism for the Rich! Taxed Enuf Alreddy! No More Bailouts! Free Markets Not Free Taxpayer Money!

    H/T GOS.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @JCT:
    Crazy as this might sound, do the republicans have the option of forfeiting this election, i.e. not putting up a nominee at all?

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    WereBear says:

    I know it’s mind-boggling, but we’re so used to being told idiotic lies and having the media spin the stupidest things as “good for McCain!” that we are now afraid to call a meltdown a meltdown.

    They aren’t throwing away the nomination, Karl Rove isn’t a genius, and they did pin all their hopes on a rigged, rotten economy so their SuperBusinessMan could come swooping in to save the day. They never were any good; they were simply rigging the rules and bribing the refs.

    The Republicans are doing the best they can with what they’ve got. And they aren’t going to admit how stupid and short-sighted and mistaken they were, because being a Republican means never having to say I screwed up.

    If they start going down the tubes, they will discover that all the people they thought were “on their side” were simply on the Winner’s side. If it becomes clear that they are no longer Winners; a lot of their advantages are going to evaporate like a snowball in Hell.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Princess Leia: I can’t believe that a seventh-inning replacement of Mitt would be anything but a disaster. Who’s dumb enough to take that role? OK, Perry, but nobody else. A convention that replaces Romney would be a Failure Olympics. It would carry such an obvious flopsweat stench that it would sabotage Republican candidates down to the dogcatcher level. So yeah, I hope they do it.

    I have Daddy issues.

    No shit. You and your brother Luke have incest issues, as well.

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    NonyNony says:

    @El Cid: That headline and that story came from Bloomberg! Bloomberg!

    I was expecting to hover over and see Mother Jones or Raw Story or maybe – maybe – The NYT or The Economist. But Bloomberg!

    The knife – it twists.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @NonyNony: Perhaps. I’m not totally convinced that Rove is playing a long game here, but that’s what it looks like. Does he really care about the conservative position as a whole? Of course, but how much? This guy wants to retain his superstar status in WingnutWashington, and you don’t do that by making sure Billy Bob Buttfuck takes that critical house seat in the Texas panhandle. You do that by basking in the reflected glow of the President. The president that YOU guided to victory. Nothing else matters, and I don’t think he believes Rmoney can get him to the promised land again. How you gonna keep ’em down on the turd, after they’ve smelled the blossom?

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    Citizen_X says:

    Argh. Let me try again:

    @Princess Leia: I can’t believe that a seventh-inning replacement of Mitt would be anything but a disaster. Who’s dumb enough to take that role? OK, Perry, but nobody else. A convention that replaces Romney would be a Failure Olympics. It would carry such an obvious flopsweat stench that it would sabotage Republican candidates down to the dogcatcher level. So yeah, I hope they do it.

    I have Daddy issues.

    No shit. You and your brother Luke have ince$t issues, as well.

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    NotMax says:

    @Cassidy

    Chances: Less Than Zero.

    Too sideshow bizarre a cafeteria libertarian, and just too old (he turns 77 next month), among a plethora of other detrimental baggage he brings.

    If every Republican on the planet other than a majority of convention delegates and Ron Paul were suddenly raptured away temporarily, the convention still wouldn’t nominate Paul.

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    Peter says:

    @NonyNony: I could argue with you on that, but what would be the point? I think we both agree that the republicans would be hosed.

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    JCT says:

    @Amir Khalid: Would be fun to imagine, but nope, no precedent for screaming “Uncle” and running away. Though given Romney’s cowardice, it would fit.

    @El Cid: Bloomberg has been hammering Romney of late.

    While Bain Capital wasn’t alone in using financial engineering to turbo-charge its returns, it was among the most aggressive under Romney’s leadership. Enriching investors by taking leveraged bets isn’t a qualification for a job requiring long-term vision and concern for public welfare. It is appropriate to point that out to voters.

    OUCH.

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    karen marie says:

    @NonyNony:

    when Bush was in charge

    Hahahaha — you made a funny.

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    The prophet Nostradumbass says:

    @gbear:

    Unlimited Corporate CRASH!!

    where did he go, anyway?

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    Svensker says:

    @El Cid:

    Does anyone outside Chicago and the Republican bubble have any emotional reaction to charges of “Chicago-style politics”?

    I always wonder about that, too. What does it MEAN?

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    Princess Leia says:

    @Citizen_X: Wahhh–apologize now! Right NOW. DADDY! UNCLE KARL! He’s saying bad things about me!

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    Anya says:

    I was just watching the panel discussion on This Week with George Stephanopoulos and the two Republicans (Dowd and Will) both argued (several times), “this President doesn’t have a record to run on,” while Donna Brazil and James Carvill sat there without uttering a word of dissent. WTF is up with that? What kind of a democrat sits there and accepts that kind of fallacy?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Crazy as this might sound, do the republicans have the option of forfeiting this election, i.e. not putting up a nominee at all?

    In theory, they probably do. In practice, it would mean the end of the party. It would kill voter enthusiasm and cost them a ton of downballot races. The candidates for currently fringe parties like the Libertarian and Constitution parties would be there to pick up enough of the pieces that one of them might take on the mantle of the real right wing party. Even if one didn’t, failing to run a candidate would basically invalidate the whole national Republican machine and it would need to be rebuilt. They would much rather run somebody, anybody, than try to go with an empty spot on the ballot.

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    Svensker says:

    @NonyNony:

    Bloomberg also has a story about Mitt’s Magic IRA.

    The world is a shitty place and there is a lot to be upset or depressed or outraged about…but I am enjoying the HELL out of Mitt’s money problems. Thanks for cheering me up, Mr. Romney!

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    Jebediah says:

    @dmsilev:

    Might we be so lucky that he spurns her and she does something attention-grabbingly-train-wrecky-hilarious in response?

    I don’t see how this can fail to happen. Sarah is a joke; he must ignore her. For her part, I think she is literally incapable of NOT wrecking a train if she feels dissed.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Svensker: Something something Kennedy election 1960. That’s all I’ve heard. So nothing anyone out of the over-70 demographic cares about.

    @Princess Leia: Wait, Leia’s a Republican? My young ideals are shattered.

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    Some Republicans are very smart and politically knowledgeable. Many aren’t. As a group, they tend to believe their own propaganda.

    Remember in 2009 when the Republican legislatures thought Obama would be slow and even dumb without his prepared teleprompter remarks?

    And while Obama was chasing his bipartisan dream [which apparently is more addictive than morphine], the Reps thought he was naive and an easy mark. Actually, lots of Dems thought that, too.

    Some of the Reps thought that because Obama doesn’t have a cowboy swagger, he has no machismo. [discretely fans self]

    And because Team Obama was threading a needle in 2008, trying to win the nomination without destroying the Party, the Reps thought the Team would be polite this time, too. [Hmmph!]

    In short, the Reps have underestimated Obama at every turn. Much to their dismay.

    But I must admit, perhaps I underestimated Team Obama, much to my delight. :-)

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    Anya says:

    @El Cid: My mother in-law — originally from Chicago. She calls anyone who says that “the hicks who took over the Republican Party.”

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    NonyNony says:

    @karen marie:

    Note that I was talking about Bush being in charge of the party, not the country.

    George W Bush didn’t give a damn about doing the job of the President of the United States, but he loved being the head of the Republican Party.

    I wish that they’d made him the head of the RNC back in 1999 instead of encouraging him to run for President. He would have enjoyed the job more, and the country would have been better off.

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    maya says:

    @Svensker:

    Chicago ♫♪♫♪ Chicago ♫♪♫♪ That toddling town

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    Peter says:

    Also any talk of jettisoning Romney in favor of a less disastrous candidate has a big obstacle: Romney himself. There’s no way to get rid of him at this point if he doesn’t want to go, and the man wants to be President so badly he can taste it. He feels ENTITLED to it. And he’s got to know that if he drops out after sewing up the nom, he’s never getting another shot at it. Maybe if he’d dropped out in May he could could come around for another try in 2016 (although even that’s pretty questionable) but at this point? No, this is the closest he’ll ever get, and he’s going to ride that bomb all the way down.

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    NotMax says:

    Svensker
    Citizen X

    See: Daley, Richard (the elder one, Richard J. Daley), for starters.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Svensker:

    I always wonder about that, too. What does it MEAN?

    It’s supposed to invoke images of a corrupt old-fashioned political machine, complete with payoffs, patronage, rigged voting machines, and dead people still on the voter rolls. And no, I don’t think it actually has that effect on anyone but the already convinced.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    And while Obama was chasing his bipartisan dream [which apparently is more addictive than morphine], the Reps thought he was naive and an easy mark. Actually, lots of Dems thought that, too.

    I think the quote from Karl Rove shows that Republicans are expecting Obama in 2012 to be the same guy who ran in 2008. The guy running as a “let’s all pitch in and work together to fix this country because we’re in a mess now and need to clean it up.”

    Except that he’s now got 4 years on the job, and Republicans have done exactly jack and shit to help out with the clean up. So this year he gets to run as a “look the Republicans made this mess and we asked them to be part of the solution. They refused. Now they’re the problem.” candidate.

    It’s a different, more experienced Obama for a different time and a different set of circumstances. The lizard brains of the GOP don’t seem to understand that.

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    Yutsano says:

    @NonyNony:

    I wish that they’d made him the head of the RNC back in 1999 instead of encouraging him to run for President.

    Dubya has Daddy issues. There was no way for him to be a better wartime President than his father if he just headed up the Republican Party.

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    elaine benes says:

    @David Koch:

    The RWers I’m seeing (FB and another messageboard) are weakly claiming that “Well, someone has to dispose of all those murdered babies!”

    Apparently it’s morally unforgivable to send money to support Planned Parenthood, but it’s A-OK to send Planned Parenthood an invoice and subsequently profit off their operations. Nevermind that if it was Obama’s investment, they’d be screaming about blood money.

    My take: they’ve been caught completely off-guard and they’re flailing.

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    jwb says:

    @WereBear: Hard to assess whether it’s really an unrecoverable meltdown until the poll numbers start moving.

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    David Koch says:

    Shorter Rove: Leave Mitt alooooooooooooooooooooooooooone!

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    gf120581 says:

    Two points to make:

    1. I have never thought Karl Rove a genius. He’s not. He’s done plenty of idiotic moves as proof (“The Math,” anyone?), going all the way back to 2000 (when he spent a ton of time and money in a pointless quest to win California, allowing Gore to lock down the Midwest states and push Florida to the wire). He’s nothing but a thug with no standards of decency who hasn’t met a depth he won’t sink to in order to win. That’s it.

    2. Barring something along the lines of being caught emulating Jerry Sandusky in a bathroom stall with a friend of his grandchildren, Romney is not withrawing from the race, no matter how bad this may get for him. Besides the fact that the GOP would be left with an absolute clusterfuck on their hands, Romney is never going to give up what he’s been working a decade to get. They’d have to pry the nomination out of his hands with a crowbar.

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    cmorenc says:

    Karl Rove is pissed about Team Obama playing “gutter politics” against Romney?

    HehehohohoHAHAHAhahhihooooheHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHA!

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    GxB says:

    @Svensker: Anybody who knows was buried long ago in their best zoot suit.

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    WereBear says:

    @NonyNony: Excellent point.

    What is more, second term Obama is going to be a very different proposition from first term Obama.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Peter:

    There’s no way to get rid of him at this point if he doesn’t want to go

    I can think of .357 ways of getting Romney (or any other nominee) out of the race. It might be hard with the Secret Service, though.

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    rmirth says:

    Me. I’m worried that someone else will be drafted; I’m worried that Mitt will get a halfway decent campaign team and learn from this f*up, I’m worried about the voter id rules…what else should I be worried about/

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    Roger Moore says:

    @elaine benes:

    My take: they’ve been caught completely off-guard and they’re flailing.

    Also, too, IOKIYAR.

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    Caliph Garrett says:

    As a 12-year former Chicago resident, this is all I know of “Chicago Politics”: abusing the TIF regime to benefit corporations and wealthy real estate developers; raising fines and sales taxes on millions of citizens while giving generous tax cuts to the Chicago Board of Trade.

    I.e.: the same as pay-to-play politics pretty much everywhere.

    Anything else you hear came from Hollywood.

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    David in NY says:

    I remember George Romney, and hc could have been President. But Mitt’s not his Dad. His Dad was honest enough to walk out on an extremist Republican party. His Dad made an honest living, and really did expand a corporation, that really did employ people. Mitt did none of these things. Mitt’s Dad paid a reasonable share of taxes; Mitt doesn’t. Mitt’s not half the man his Dad was.

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    David Koch says:

    @elaine benes: 5 stages of grief: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

    Sounds like they’re in the Bargaining phase where they attempt to cope with the news through rationalizations.

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    NotMax says:

    @Roger Moore

    Indubitably.

    Time has made it about as recognizable or effective as if someone started shouting “Tammany Hall.”

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    Elizabelle says:

    Watching “Political Animals.” Got some good reviews.

    It’s so crass.

    They hates them some Bill Clinton.

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    El Cid says:

    Reality is a thing. It exists, and will be what it is.

    But on this day, I will blithely dream it possible that Mitt Romney may be in a complete meltdown, and that calamity for the Grand Old Party of Neo-Confederate Super-Villains’ Henchmen might very well ensue.

    GOP: Dost thou call me fool?

    Me: Thou hast given all thy other titles away — that, thou wast born with.

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    El Cid says:

    @NotMax: Tippecanoe and Romney Too! Teatard Dome!

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    TheOtherWA says:

    @El Cid: That’s the actual Bloomberg headline “Romney’s Bain Yielded Private Gains, Socialized Losses” Holy shit.

    After the #retroactively frenzy and the killer ad the Obama campaign released yesterday, I might need a cigarette. Or two.

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    Svensker says:

    @NotMax:

    Oh, I know that, but most people aren’t old enough for that to have any resonance these days.

    It’s like re-reading old Soviet-era spy fiction now — you don’t get that automatic frisson of fear just because there’s a Russian in view. It’s actually kind of disconcerting because all the emotional resonance has disappeared.

    “Chicago-style” just makes me think of pizza, these days.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Roger Moore:
    I see a political thriller in that. Guaranteed best-selling novel. Good movie potential, too.

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    Jeff Spender says:

    The response of the Romney campaign to all of this devastating material from the Obama campaign has been to plop on the ground and cry.

    It’s so spectacular that life-long Republicans I know are sputtering and it’s so obvious that they’re not convinced of their own rationalizations.

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    Jeff Spender says:

    The response of the Romney campaign to all of this devastating material from the Obama campaign has been to plop on the ground and cry.

    It’s so spectacular that life-long Republicans I know are sputtering and it’s so obvious that they’re not convinced of their own rationalizations.

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    NotMax says:

    It’s unprecedented, but the more I think about it, is not outside the realm of possibility.

    What, you may ask?

    Romney choosing Scalia for V.P., and Scalia vowing not to announce his retirement until after the election or even until Jan. 2013, contingent on the Rs winning.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    I’d have to check, but I’m pretty sure it’s been done before.

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    Peter says:

    @jwb: Yeah I’m not willing to call it yet, either. If this is a meltdown, we’re still at the stages where they can still insert the cooling rods and salvage it.

    But if the campaign doesn’t get its shit together soon, and my gut feeling that Obama’s holding something really potent in reserve is accurate? We could be looking at Fukushima before long.

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    David Koch says:

    Stephanie Cutter sliced Mitty to pieces on Face the Nation this morning. The romney flak was left on the floor curled up in the fetal position, whimpering.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34.....tnLeadHero

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    El Cid says:

    @TheOtherWA: You know what’s even better?

    This is the big government, ACORN, Bill Ayers soshullizm shill ‘community organizer’ who wrote that piece:

    Anthony Luzzatto Gardner joined Palamon Capital Partners in November 2007 and today serves as Managing Director of Structured Finance.
    __
    He is a US and Italian national fluent in English, Italian and French, with a working knowledge of Spanish, German and Russian.
    __
    Mr Gardner joined Palamon from Bank of America, where he was Executive Director, European Leveraged Finance.
    __
    Previously he spent five years with GE, working on M&A transactions across Europe and subsequently in its Leveraged Finance Group.
    __
    He has practised as a lawyer for eight years in Europe. Mr Gardner holds a BA from Harvard College, an MPhil from the University of Oxford, a Juris Doctor with distinction from Columbia Law School and an MSc in Finance from London Business School.

    Ha! Lazy librul medja! Typical, writin’ stuff about free enterprise which he don’t know nuthin’ about! Has he ever even worked in a private business like owning a fitness center? I thought not.

    That is the type of person turning out to show their disgust at Mitt Romney and his brand of shitty pseudo-capitalism.

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    Yutsano says:

    @NotMax: There is no Constitutional prohibition against Scalia holding both offices. Just ask him.

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    NotMax says:

    @Yutsano

    Good one.

    A drawback is that Romney-Scalia sounds like some kind of scary skin disease.

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    catclub says:

    Does anyone else remember the anticipation here for _Fitzmas_ ?

    When Cheney and Bush were going to be indited? Or we could hope for it? And Scooter Libby was going to turn on his superiors?

    Today, here, feels like that to me.

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    TheOtherWA says:

    @El Cid: Wow. That’s… wow.

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    El Cid says:

    @Yutsano: Perhaps just as the Court once created the power of judicial review (which, someone might point out to the ‘Constushull’ cries of the Teavangelicals is not in the Constushun) via their own decision, Scalia will declare the power of Executive Judicial Review, wherein he gets to decide what is and isn’t Constitutional and is also the one deciding what will and won’t be enforced. If that’s not enough, he can then find cause to grant himself the power of Legislative and Executive Judicial Review, in which case he gets to write legislation, declare it Constitutional, sign it, and enforce it, all because of his strict constructionalism and dedication to the principles of limited government, i.e., limited to whatever he wants it to be.

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    Yutsano says:

    @El Cid: Why not? Who’s going to stop him? Congress? BWAHAHAHAHA!!

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    El Cid says:

    @catclub: Hey, as long as a person acknowledges that it’s just a day’s worth of happy delusion, and not a prediction or a plan, there’s nothing wrong with it.

    I have nothing against a consenting liberal adult in the privacy of his or her own mind freely expressing a momentary fantasy of imminent triumph and the orgiastic pleasure of the complete and self-generated collapse of the opposition.

    As long as he or she can go to work in the morning and take care of real world responsibilities, a little harmless political fetish imaginary role play of Dom Democrat punishing the bad Republicans is no problem.

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    LanceThruster says:

    Since Rove is the acknowledged master of such dark arts, if you read between the lines, what he was saying is…

    Pleazzzzz Barack! I’m all *gushy*!”

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @El Cid:

    Scalia will declare the power of Executive Judicial Review, wherein he gets to decide what is and isn’t Constitutional and is also the one deciding what will and won’t be enforced. If that’s not enough, he can then find cause to grant himself the power of Legislative and Executive Judicial Review, in which case he gets to write legislation, declare it Constitutional, sign it, and enforce it, all because of his strict constructionalism and dedication to the principles of limited government, i.e., limited to whatever he wants it to be.

    “I am become sKalia, destroyer of woooooorlds!”

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    Another Halocene Human says:

    @MikeJ:

    Obama uses Chicago style politics and Romney has a thin crust.

    Burn!

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    El Cid says:

    @Another Halocene Human: He’s ramming his massive deep dish politics down America’s unwilling throat!

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    handy says:

    ‘Obama’ does kind of have an Eyetallyun ring to it now that you mention it.

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    Todd says:

    @El Cid:

    But on this day, I will blithely dream it possible that Mitt Romney may be in a complete meltdown, and that calamity for the Grand Old Party of Neo-Confederate Super-Villains’ Henchmen might very well ensue.

    Melting down like NOMAD, or pathetically like HAL?

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    Caz says:

    That’s so clever!

    Anyway, Romney has a double-digit lead over Obama among independents, which shouldn’t surprise anyone. After all, Obama has shown total disregard to the constitution and rule of law in the last 3.5 years.

    He’s literally the worst president we’ve ever had because of willfull malfeasance, not mere negligent incompetence.

    So I’ll vote for Romney, not because he’ll be a good president, but because he can’t possibly be any worse than Obama. And I think Romney is a horrible candidate and will make a worse than average president, but that’s still much better than Obama.

    It’s unfortunate that our system is so corrupt and fixed that we can’t get a legitimately good candidate on the ballot.

    For example, the media and both parties filtered out Gary Johnson before he ever had a chance to reach the American people with his message. It’s insulting that we don’t get to pick the candidates – the R’s, D’s, and media pick who our choices are.

    But as the corruption continues and our country continues to nosedive into the abyss, more people are waking up and eventually we’ll get a decent American on the ballot who intends to act in our country’s best interests, not merely in his/her own. If that doesn’t happen, then we are doomed as a nation and chaos and crisis will reach every corner of the nation affecting everyone. Well, everyone except the elite R’s and D’s who will continue to abuse their power, live the good life, and take advantae of the rest of us.

    You people are contributing to this mess by supporting a guy who doesn’t give a shit about you or the country, but rather wants to maintain his own party’s power, to expand their control over the people, and to chip away at the constitution in his quest to turn this nation into another socialist experiment. When are these anti-Americans going to realize that socialism is evil and doesn’t work? Perhaps they already know that and just don’t care.

    Nearly 50 pct. of Americans are dependent on the govt at this point. What do you think this increasing dependency does to the nation and its people?? Have any of you even considered the effects of that and why our leaders are pushing that??

    Well, you’re all lost causes and I know nothing I say will have any effect whatsoever on any of you. But it still needs to be said.

    So now you can go stick your troll comments up your ass and get back to your echo chamber useful idiocy!

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    Todd says:

    @Caz:

    Sounds like…

    VICTORY!!!

    Caz, your refugees from a Klavern are going to have to work awful hard to disenfranchise enough of them uppity sorts to gain a win.

    And even if you do, some of us plan to make it real fucking hard for your brown shirts to govern.

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    Narcissus says:

    Gary Johnson filtered himself out by being Gary Johnson

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    Cassidy says:

    @Caz: They’re so cute when they try to say something meaningful.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Cassidy: I just love the whole “I’m going to pretend like I’m better than everyone by voting for a Republican. That’ll show everyone – when my vote goes to a Republican. Then they’ll appreciate my greatness.”

    It’s not nearly as wonderful as the great Philip J. Fry’s declaration that he would “send these clowns a message by staying home on election day and dressing up like a clown”, but Philip J. Fry is tough to beat.

    ETA: I forget – is Caz the fake liberal, the fake libertarian or the fake conservative?

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Libertarians are so funny.

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    Violet says:

    @Roger Moore:

    What would be an example of one of the myriad ways he could have said it better?

    I know I’m answering this really late, but the first thing would be NOT to mention the word “felony” anywhere near Romney. The second thing would be to link all negative words with “the president” or “Obama”. So something like, “President Obama continues to lie to/mislead the American public about Governor Romney’s record. Governor Romney has vast experience in the business world….” Etc.

    If the word “felony” must be addressed, keep it far away from Romney. “It should be a felony for someone of Obama’s limited experience to be president of the United States. Governor Romney has extensive experience in the public and private sector and would bring that experience to the office of president.” Etc.

    And if he encountered an unusually persistent journalist (I know, ha ha ha) that insisted on following up the Bain CEO timeline and the SEC documents, dodge the direct question and say something like, “This sort of thing is common as many corporate leaders could tell you. Governor Romney filed the appropriate paperwork at the appropriate time and the board of his company agrees with his assessment.” Bland, important sounding, why-are-you-questioning-me noises.

    But Rove did none of that. He said directly that Romney had committed felonious activity and followed by saying it was a mistake. Rove is the one who made the mistake.

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    El Cid says:

    UNNLIMMTEDDED CORPRIT CAAAAAASH!!! WURST PREZNIT EVAR!! DUBBLE BUBBLE LEAD!!

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    clayton says:

    Rove had his little white board out on Fox this morning and of all thing Brit Hume had to correct him — what he said and what he had written were different.

    Rove is toast. I don’t even think he’s a badger. he’s out of the game — clearly. Romney doesn’t want him. He’s toxic and Romney is toxic enough himself.

    Rove is just humorous at this point. Anyone who goes up against him on any of the talking shows is an idiot. It’s just not worth it.

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    El Cid says:

    @Caz: I DUN POSTED GIMME MAH 15 CENTS U PROMISED I HAZ 2 BUY MOR GATORADE FROST

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    El Cid says:

    CONSTUSHUN! I IZ FER IT! U R NOT! SHUDDUP!

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    Cassidy says:

    @NonyNony: I forget. I’m having a hard time keeping them straight. The firebaggers, teatards, and Paulistas use the same language.

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    Xenos says:

    Nearly 50 pct. of Americans are dependent on the govt at this point.

    The elderly on Social Security and impoverished children make up nearly 50% of the population. You have a problem with seniors getting the retirement pensions they paid for, and with children getting medical coverage?

    If that is your standard for ‘sockialism’ then you have lost the fight: at least 73% of Americans are sockialists.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Cassidy: As far as I can tell most of them are the same people. Possibly posting under different nyms.

    I’m still convinced a third of them around here are just DougJ trying to tweak people.

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    Jebediah says:

    @Caz:
    Ah, the tears of a Caz…

    When are these anti-Americans going to realize that socialism is evil and doesn’t work?

    What soshulism, dumbass? You can’t mean Obamacare, with its private insurance companies and privately-owned medical practices. So what do you mean? What industry has been nationalized? It’s OK if you don’t care to answer, but if so, kindly shove the word soshulism up your ass and keep it there, because it doesn’t apply to anything happening in the US of A.

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    Lojasmo says:

    @efgoldman:

    Ahem, I believe there was more than one.

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    El Cid says:

    @Xenos: We all miss the days when we were truly free, days such as in the mid-1920s, when the olds knew what was right, and would much more frequently starve and suffer curable illnesses, as would their destitute adult children who worked in mills for such low pay as to not have enough company scrip to both pay for their own children’s [i.e., the olds’ grandchildren] sufficient food and sufficient food for themselves to equal the calories they expended during the work day, or their adult children who worked themselves deeper and deeper into the ground into which they would soon fall as sharecroppers, in the beautiful land of Freedom which was the pre-New-Deal American South.

    Back when we were Free. And by “Free”, I get to mean whatever I want it to mean.

    We will start each and every conversation by granting my desire to define what is free and not free, and thus your immediate responsibility is to in each and every case begin by defending yourself and explaining why you hate Freedom. This is not at all ‘begging the question,’ because it’s Freedom. If I declare that you are for Big Government and I am not, expect you to accept that and begin from my assumptions. If I declare that any regulation of business or subsidies to lower income earners is Soshullist, then I expect you to begin by admitting that it is, and explaining why you are a Nazi.

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    Ash Can says:

    So Karl Rove has taken a roundhouse to the jaw from Team Obama, eh? Nobody better go barefoot in the Fox News studio; they’ll be vacuuming shards of glass out of the carpet until Christmas.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Caz:

    Anyway, Romney has a double-digit lead over Obama among independents, which shouldn’t surprise anyone

    [citation needed]

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    clayton says:

    @Yutsano:
    I don’t know about you, but at this point on the internets, there is really no need for links anymore. Everyone knows everything. Liars are easy to spot.

    The only liars I ever see anymore are wingnuts.

    Seriously, do you think Caz has a link? We aren’t arguing Iraqi dead or WMDs here, right?

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    clayton says:

    Think about it . . . we haven’t had these “fact checkers” around until recently and all they ever do is argue the same things that all of us have done forever on these boards and others.

    Nothing stops them, but just call bullshit what it is just like Cole and ABL and Zander and DougJ do every day.

    Things have changed already.

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    NonyNony says:

    @El Cid:

    Back when we were Free. And by “Free”, I get to mean whatever I want it to mean. rich white men were on the top, poor whites, blacks and wimmin knew their places, and a factory owner could kill his workers with impunity (and with government assistance, if necessary)

    Libertarians are basically a very dangerous form of SCA – they make a fetish of an era that never really existed and assume that they’d be the ones on top (nobody goes to a SCA event to play a peasant who dies of dysentery, and no libertarian sees himself in the role of underpaid mine worker digging in an unsafe mine shaft for a pittance).

    That most of them seem to work for a paycheck rather than being Masters of Capital themselves – usually drawn from a government job or an employer who relies heavily on government contracts to stay afloat – never penetrates the way you think it should.

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    Yutsano says:

    @clayton: It’s his assertion. Let him prove it.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Excellent point.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Yutsano: Caz is just having a sad day because Ron Paul won’t be leading the Revolution in Tampa after all. Notice the hit-and-run trolling.

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    El Cid says:

    @NonyNony: You know, that’s actually a great idea.

    Alongside the “Medieval Times” chain, maybe you could set up a franchise of “Freedom Times” where Tea Party types and Libertarians and other assorted lovers of Freedom (TM) can eat by hand large pieces of fried foods and watch as Company Directors ride out on galloping horses and joust against the evil forces of the Union Thugs, and call out the heroic battalions of the Pinkerton Patriots to beat up and rout the ACORN Orcs swarming out of trap doors trying to capture poor Liberty Dollar.

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    GxB says:

    @Yutsano:

    [citation needed]

    (1) Rectal Archives, Caz. Published, at will upon request. Accessed July 15th, 2012 at 11:07 pm.

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    priscianusjr says:

    @Violet: Violet, what you said. You totally nailed it. I hope you don’t mind if I cross post this on Booman, because you said it a lot better than I did.

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    NonyNony says:

    @El Cid: To be honest, I think having some nice live action role playing for Libertarians to live out their Great Man Capitalist fantasies might be cathartic. At the very least it would give them something to focus on that might be a bit healthy.

    I know that the Vampire LARPers I knew back in the day were among the least political people I knew. How could you involve yourself in volunteering for an election? So much time wasted when you could be working to undermine some other player’s bid to take over the city. Set something like that up for Libertarians and at least a few of the fever swamps of the Internets might drain overnight.

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    PanurgeATL says:

    @Svensker:

    I’m guessing it means (1) old man Daley and (2) Al Capone. Maybe the guys who rubbed out Tony Cermak, too.

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    Kane says:

    Gutter politics is morphing your opponent into Osama bin Laden in television ads. Gutter politics is traveling the country and telling voters that another 9/11 will happen if your opponent is elected. Gutter politics is politically convenient terror warnings. Gutter politics is using the tragic images of 9/11 in campaign commercials. Gutter politics is maligning the service record and mocking the battle wounds of a combat veteran.

    Gutter politics is telling voters that your opponent pals around with terrorists. Gutter politics is portraying your opponent as a Muslim terrorist. Gutter politics is portraying your opponent’s wife as an angry, militant Black woman. Gutter politics is questioning the birth place, citizenship, and patriotism of your opponent. Gutter politics is accusations of death panels. Gutter politics is racism, sexism, and bigotry.

    Gutter politics is Karl Rove.

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    El Cid says:

    @Kane: no, because that stuff was against Demoncraps, so it’s just honorable patriotism to say or do anything to beat them in order to save America from the America-haters.

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    bago says:

    @dmsilev: I propose a new meme: Romney Ka-Ching (sound of money)
    Bain buys business, fires people: Ka-Ching! (sound of money)
    Bain Buys business, lowers wages: Ka-Ching! (sound of money)
    Bain buys business, outsources jobs: Ka-Ching! (sound of money)

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    daize says:

    @dmsilev: Not sure this is mentioned in the article you link to, but Sarah’s PAC has reserved space at a mall near the convention center. I see a shrink-wrapped bus heading south from Alaska in the near future….

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