I posted about this earlier Doug apparently the Romney campaign is going to start calling POTUS a liar.
In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar,” the source said.
Well as Romney would say what’s sauce for the goose… and all that. Methinks the LAST thing Romney wants to do is start throwing the “L” word around.
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trollhattan
This is a doozy, considering all the recent press about the monied.
“Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship – and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.”
I retain the presumption that the very odd Marc Rich pardon was preceeded by certain presidential, uh, services provided by Frau Rich. But what do I know? Don’t let the velvet door hit you on the Grammy-winning arse, lady.
My thoughts exactly. They open the door we go charging through with guns a blazing.
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Davis X. Machina
@pragmatism: Is that Metrosexual Black Abe Lincoln with vampires, or Metrosexual Black Abe Lincoln without vampires.
Because if I pony up, I demand vampires.
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TG Chicago
My huge pet peeve:
When people (including Obama) talk about extending the tax cuts for people making under $250,000.
What they should be saying is that everybody gets a tax cut on their income up to $250K. It’s true — that’s how marginal rates work. Under Obama’s plan, if you make $500,000, you’re still getting a tax cut on your first quarter million.
If the Obama team could make this clearer — that everybody still gets a huge tax cut, even the super-rich people — then that would make it awfully tough for Republicans to whine about class warfare.
HA HA “Bradlee Dean ordered to pay Rachel Maddow’s attorney fees” HA HA
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scav
@trollhattan: What I particularly enjoy is that it’s an ambiguous trigger-the-right-wing indignation target giving up citizenship for tax purposes. Are they really going to point to this individual as the sacred job-creators being forced into the Gaultian Gilt Heaven elsewhere?
In recent days I have seen a number of stories where Republicans are openly criticizing Mitt Romney for the incoherent message of his campaign and the vagueness of where he stands on the issues. Apparently it is the Romney strategy to keep secret as much as possible about where he stands.
This is why I applaud President Obama for taking the fight to Romney during this campaign. By taking a firm and public stand on immigration, marriage equality, economic equality, extending tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses and a host of other issues, Obama is not only highlighting the fact that his positions on these issues are shared by the overwhelming majority of voters, but he is also forcing Romney to respond and to make his positions known.
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pragmatism
@Davis X. Machina: lol. firebaggers say “with vampire squid”. wingnuts say “he is a vampire sucking the blood of freedom and the perfect free market”. so you can say “with vampires” and look comparatively sane.
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Calouste
In a conference call Monday morning, senior staff said Romney’s surrogates would stop shying away from the “N” word “lie” in responding to Democrats’ attacks on his business record, and plan to go on TV to call Obama a “liar n1993r” the source said.
When we respond it will be proof that both sides do it.
Actually, I think it would be very easy to pull off without incurring any charges of name-calling. All it would take is a video montage of Romney speaking publicly, contradicting himself. It could be done without a word of commentary.
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TG Chicago
@Litlebritdifrnt: I think this is a savvy move by Romney’s team.
It’s pure Karl Rove — attack the opponent for your own candidate’s weaknesses. Then when your opponent fires back, it automatically becomes “both sides do it”.
With a functional press corps, this wouldn’t work. With our corporate media, it has worked time and time again. Low-information voters will just take it as normal partisan political sniping and tune all of it out.
I’d love to be wrong. I hope the Obama team can come up with enough bald-faced, easy-to-understand, flat-out lies that they can make the tag stick to Romney more strongly. But I have doubts.
All it would take is a video montage of Romney speaking publicly, contradicting himself. It could be done without a word of commentary.
Romney calls Obama a liar. Obama demonstrates via quotes from Romney that Romney is a lair. Both sides do it. See?
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Luthe
You know how Republicans like to talk about “job creators”?
It occurred to me the other day that all of us little people are “job creators.” We keep the pizza boys and autoworkers and stupid elected officials employed. Every time we spend a dollar, someone keeps a job.
Can we get a “I am a JOB CREATOR” movement, a la “I am the 99%”?
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Ash Can
@MikeJ: I still don’t think it would be seen quite that way. It would be Romney’s name-calling vs. Obama’s video evidence. Who other than David Brooks would see that as the same thing?
I threw some bucks at MBAL. If you’re thinking of donating, earlier is better. Early money has a much greater impact than late money.
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Thomas F
I don’t want to ride this point too much, but I am interested to see whether anyone here agrees with me. After slogging my way through the third episode, I can’t get over how excruciatingly bad Newsroom is. I understand that Cole and some others want to fluff it because Establishment Media-types like Tapper have knocked it, but this is an exceptionally shitty show. Sorkin does many things well (see Social Network, The), but this is not one of them. His central problem seems to be that he conflates pretentiousness with intelligence (I think he actually believes our media environment would benefit from more Keith Olbermann-like anchors, off of whom Will McAvoy is evidently drawn). The show just layers sanctimony upon further layer of sanctimony, rapid-fire bon mot after rapid-fire bon mot, until time runs out each week. This show isn’t worthy of HBO — easily the worst since John from Cincinnati.
This is putting aside his thinly-veiled contempt for women, about which other progressive commentators have done a better job articulating.
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Thomas F
I don’t want to ride this point too much, but I am interested to see whether anyone here agrees with me. After slogging my way through the third episode, I can’t get over how excruciatingly bad Newsroom is. I understand that Cole and some others want to fluff it because Establishment Media-types like Tapper have knocked it, but this is an exceptionally shitty show. Sorkin does many things well (see Social Network, The), but this is not one of them. His central problem seems to be that he conflates pretentiousness with intelligence (I think he actually believes our media environment would benefit from more Keith Olbermann-like anchors, off of whom Will McAvoy is evidently drawn). The show just layers sanctimony upon further layer of sanctimony, rapid-fire bon mot after rapid-fire bon mot, until time runs out each week. This show isn’t worthy of HBO — easily the worst since John from Cincinnati.
This is putting aside his thinly-veiled contempt for women, about which other progressive commentators have done a better job articulating.
Voice of experience: if you post your comment today, and get an “unavailable” message, wait at least five minutes before reposting — it probably got through and just isn’t telling you yet.
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BruinKid
Just posted on the wall of my Ron Paul friend (who is Muslim) about the Ron Paul-endorsed Texas Senate candidate Ted Cruz claiming the U.S. is in danger of falling under Sharia law.
Should be interesting to see what he has to say about this. He had said some positive things about Cruz last month before today’s news about his anti-Muslim fearmongering.
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Arclite
Also, Obama raised only $71m in June to Romney’s $106m. If you can afford to give to the big O, please do. Obama’s policies haven’t been perfect (see: drone war), but he’s orders of magnitude better than Romney.
I think he endorsed Romney over Paul too. That being said, Ted Cruz is the best candidate that Texas has to offer right now and he still pushes for the liberty agenda over those neo-con style ideals.
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__Now, the article goes to say:
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__”This is hardly the first time that Cruz abandoned reality to toss red meat to his Tea Party base. In 2010, Cruz floated a theory about how states can bypass the federal government and ignore existing laws they disagreed with, advocated for a radical rereading of the US constitution which would have rendered Medicaid unconstitutional, and in March, warned Texans about the dangers of a George Soros and United Nations-led intrusion into local communities to eliminate golf and paved roads.”
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__Since when has the tenth amendment and state nullification been a THEORY? States use the 10th amendment all the time to push agendas that are unconstitutional.
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__Maybe next time these guys do a thing in LA, you should come with :)
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__I mean come on, if you can literally throw away your moral compass to vote for a murderer and one of the biggest deceptions in American history aka Obama… Then what would be wrong with me supporting a guy who I at least agree with on most aspects of freedom, regardless of what Christian ideology he wants to throw at us? The great thing about knowing what freedom truly means is that you won’t shove your ideas down the throats of people through force. What a concept, right?
Looks like he’s gone Tenther as well.
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The Sailor
@BruinKid: Equate your friend with American literature. Starting with Harriet Beecher Stowe.
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Litlebritdifrnt
I posted about this earlier Doug apparently the Romney campaign is going to start calling POTUS a liar.
Well as Romney would say what’s sauce for the goose… and all that. Methinks the LAST thing Romney wants to do is start throwing the “L” word around.
trollhattan
This is a doozy, considering all the recent press about the monied.
“Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship – and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48118502/ns/business-personal_finance/t/socialite-dumps-us-passport-most-taxes-too/?fb_ref=.T_sCAeEhM6k.like&fb_source=home_multiline#.T_sR0XDBUr1
I retain the presumption that the very odd Marc Rich pardon was preceeded by certain presidential, uh, services provided by Frau Rich. But what do I know? Don’t let the velvet door hit you on the Grammy-winning arse, lady.
MikeJ
@Litlebritdifrnt:
When we respond it will be proof that both sides do it.
Amir Khalid
@Litlebritdifrnt:
If Mitt’s asking for it, Obama’s campaign should let him have it. With both barrels.
Davis X. Machina
Comment dit-on “Governor Christie” en francais? Mais naturellement, on dit “Governor LePage”, bien sur.
A loverly ‘I’m sorry you have such thin skin’ non-apology apology from Maine’s Governor Paul “37%” LePage, delivered via his spokeswoman.
(LePage had referred to the IRS as the new Gestapo.)
PeakVT
@trollhattan: I hope CBP makes her life hell if she ever tries to visit the USA.
Violet
What’s MBAL?
pragmatism
@Violet: metrosexual black abe lincoln.
Litlebritdifrnt
@Amir Khalid:
My thoughts exactly. They open the door we go charging through with guns a blazing.
Davis X. Machina
@pragmatism: Is that Metrosexual Black Abe Lincoln with vampires, or Metrosexual Black Abe Lincoln without vampires.
Because if I pony up, I demand vampires.
TG Chicago
My huge pet peeve:
When people (including Obama) talk about extending the tax cuts for people making under $250,000.
What they should be saying is that everybody gets a tax cut on their income up to $250K. It’s true — that’s how marginal rates work. Under Obama’s plan, if you make $500,000, you’re still getting a tax cut on your first quarter million.
If the Obama team could make this clearer — that everybody still gets a huge tax cut, even the super-rich people — then that would make it awfully tough for Republicans to whine about class warfare.
Litlebritdifrnt
In other news, points and laughs
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/bradlee_dean_maddow_msnbc_lawsuit.php
HA HA “Bradlee Dean ordered to pay Rachel Maddow’s attorney fees” HA HA
scav
@trollhattan: What I particularly enjoy is that it’s an ambiguous trigger-the-right-wing indignation target giving up citizenship for tax purposes. Are they really going to point to this individual as the sacred job-creators being forced into the Gaultian Gilt Heaven elsewhere?
Violet
@pragmatism: Ah, thanks!
Kane
In recent days I have seen a number of stories where Republicans are openly criticizing Mitt Romney for the incoherent message of his campaign and the vagueness of where he stands on the issues. Apparently it is the Romney strategy to keep secret as much as possible about where he stands.
This is why I applaud President Obama for taking the fight to Romney during this campaign. By taking a firm and public stand on immigration, marriage equality, economic equality, extending tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses and a host of other issues, Obama is not only highlighting the fact that his positions on these issues are shared by the overwhelming majority of voters, but he is also forcing Romney to respond and to make his positions known.
pragmatism
@Davis X. Machina: lol. firebaggers say “with vampire squid”. wingnuts say “he is a vampire sucking the blood of freedom and the perfect free market”. so you can say “with vampires” and look comparatively sane.
Calouste
Fixed for accuracy.
Ash Can
@MikeJ:
Actually, I think it would be very easy to pull off without incurring any charges of name-calling. All it would take is a video montage of Romney speaking publicly, contradicting himself. It could be done without a word of commentary.
TG Chicago
@Litlebritdifrnt: I think this is a savvy move by Romney’s team.
It’s pure Karl Rove — attack the opponent for your own candidate’s weaknesses. Then when your opponent fires back, it automatically becomes “both sides do it”.
With a functional press corps, this wouldn’t work. With our corporate media, it has worked time and time again. Low-information voters will just take it as normal partisan political sniping and tune all of it out.
I’d love to be wrong. I hope the Obama team can come up with enough bald-faced, easy-to-understand, flat-out lies that they can make the tag stick to Romney more strongly. But I have doubts.
MikeJ
@Ash Can:
Romney calls Obama a liar. Obama demonstrates via quotes from Romney that Romney is a lair. Both sides do it. See?
Luthe
You know how Republicans like to talk about “job creators”?
It occurred to me the other day that all of us little people are “job creators.” We keep the pizza boys and autoworkers and stupid elected officials employed. Every time we spend a dollar, someone keeps a job.
Can we get a “I am a JOB CREATOR” movement, a la “I am the 99%”?
Ash Can
@MikeJ: I still don’t think it would be seen quite that way. It would be Romney’s name-calling vs. Obama’s video evidence. Who other than David Brooks would see that as the same thing?
Origuy
@Davis X. Machina:
They were in the last thread.
Arclite
I threw some bucks at MBAL. If you’re thinking of donating, earlier is better. Early money has a much greater impact than late money.
Thomas F
I don’t want to ride this point too much, but I am interested to see whether anyone here agrees with me. After slogging my way through the third episode, I can’t get over how excruciatingly bad Newsroom is. I understand that Cole and some others want to fluff it because Establishment Media-types like Tapper have knocked it, but this is an exceptionally shitty show. Sorkin does many things well (see Social Network, The), but this is not one of them. His central problem seems to be that he conflates pretentiousness with intelligence (I think he actually believes our media environment would benefit from more Keith Olbermann-like anchors, off of whom Will McAvoy is evidently drawn). The show just layers sanctimony upon further layer of sanctimony, rapid-fire bon mot after rapid-fire bon mot, until time runs out each week. This show isn’t worthy of HBO — easily the worst since John from Cincinnati.
This is putting aside his thinly-veiled contempt for women, about which other progressive commentators have done a better job articulating.
Thomas F
I don’t want to ride this point too much, but I am interested to see whether anyone here agrees with me. After slogging my way through the third episode, I can’t get over how excruciatingly bad Newsroom is. I understand that Cole and some others want to fluff it because Establishment Media-types like Tapper have knocked it, but this is an exceptionally shitty show. Sorkin does many things well (see Social Network, The), but this is not one of them. His central problem seems to be that he conflates pretentiousness with intelligence (I think he actually believes our media environment would benefit from more Keith Olbermann-like anchors, off of whom Will McAvoy is evidently drawn). The show just layers sanctimony upon further layer of sanctimony, rapid-fire bon mot after rapid-fire bon mot, until time runs out each week. This show isn’t worthy of HBO — easily the worst since John from Cincinnati.
This is putting aside his thinly-veiled contempt for women, about which other progressive commentators have done a better job articulating.
Cris (without an H)
Voice of experience: if you post your comment today, and get an “unavailable” message, wait at least five minutes before reposting — it probably got through and just isn’t telling you yet.
BruinKid
Just posted on the wall of my Ron Paul friend (who is Muslim) about the Ron Paul-endorsed Texas Senate candidate Ted Cruz claiming the U.S. is in danger of falling under Sharia law.
Should be interesting to see what he has to say about this. He had said some positive things about Cruz last month before today’s news about his anti-Muslim fearmongering.
Arclite
Also, Obama raised only $71m in June to Romney’s $106m. If you can afford to give to the big O, please do. Obama’s policies haven’t been perfect (see: drone war), but he’s orders of magnitude better than Romney.
Cris (without an H)
Thank you, Citizens. O is gonna have to get his dough from actual lower-case-c citizens.
BruinKid
@BruinKid: Nope, didn’t work. He wrote back:
Looks like he’s gone Tenther as well.
The Sailor
@BruinKid: Equate your friend with American literature. Starting with Harriet Beecher Stowe.