Schadenfreude in Florida

George Zimmerman’s wife arrested for perjury for knowingly lying about how much money they had during a bond hearing.






197 replies
  1. 1
    Loneoak says:

    But but … I thought wingnut welfare didn’t count.

  2. 2
    Stuck in the Funhouse says:

    Sometimes there is poetry in justice, other times, what goes round comes round, and a bunch of other cool karma for the guilty.

  3. 3
    trollhattan says:

    Wow, who inflated her face, and does she have a presta or schrader valve?

    Man-who-runs-around-subdivision-armed is married to a grifter. Whodathunk?

  4. 4
    Maude says:

    She was fine until she got caught.

  5. 5
    BGinCHI says:

    I assume she’ll deploy the Trump Defense.

  6. 6
    PaminBB says:

    I’m thinking that the two of them are likely future Darwin award nominees.

  7. 7
    the Conster says:

    That picture of Rick Scott doing his best Bat Boy imitation is…. interesting….. also too. Keep your hands and feet away from his mouth.

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    lamh35 says:

    Bish lied all for what a cut of any money Zimmerman had or would make on the FauxNews circuit

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    Kane says:

    Facing jail-time, maybe she will be offered a deal if she will agree to tell what her husband told her what happened.

    Or if George loves his wife, maybe he will confess to keep his wife out of prison.

  10. 10
    dedc79 says:

    She was, um, just standing her ground for her family.

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    Scott says:

    Karma, dude.
    Hey Cole! I asked you a while back if you wanted some old SI magazines from the ’70’s with the Steelers on the cover. Some good ones, Steelers-Raiders, Steelers-Oilers, Steelers-Rams.
    I know how big a Steeler fan you are. If you want’em, just let me know. If not, I’ll shut my yap.
    Enjoy the blog. Big Tent if ever I saw one.

  12. 12
    Clime Acts says:

    She is history’s greatest monster.

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    The Dangerman says:

    For reasons I can’t really put my finger on (nor would I want to do so), I’m thinking the twinkie defense.

    ETA: There is perverse justice in the fact that if they hadn’t been adopted as the “true” victims by the Right, they wouldn’t have had to lie about the money that would have never come their way.

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    Yutsano says:

    @The Dangerman: I saw what you did there.

    This has to mean her husband also lied. I wonder if we’ll see the indictment get amended.

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    Valdivia says:

    It truly amazes me that there are people who thought Zimmerman was a cause to be championed. How come their antennas didn’t light up bright when that website went up?

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    gex says:

    I hope that whole “ordering a new passport shortly after ‘self-defending’ a kid to death” thing gets played up big in his trial.

    My BIL, whom I’ve complained about a lot on here, revealed his inner racist on this one. He insisted we didn’t know who confronted whom on that night. Apparently a white guy disobeying 911 dispatchers, getting in a vehicle, following the kid, getting out, and approaching Trayvon while packing heat does not count as confronting.

    He literally can not envision the idea that the black kid had a right to self defense too. I’m sick of him. Although I do love him and his other conservative brother bitch about the costs of health care and being cut off because of pre-existing conditions. Truly a case of letting them get what they want and getting it hard.

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    YoohooCthulhu says:

    Facing jail-time, maybe she will be offered a deal if she will agree to tell what her husband told her what happened.

    IANAL, but I believe spousal testimony on things other than abuse is inadmissible in many states

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    JPL says:

    @Scott: You do understand that the blog master doesn’t have the time to read all the comments, right!

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    gex says:

    @YoohooCthulhu: It’s not inadmissible, it’s just that a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against their spouse. I don’t know why any testimony offered freely would be excluded.

  20. 20
    Ash Can says:

    Oh, that money. I didn’t think that counted.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    It truly amazes me that there are people who thought Zimmerman was a cause to be championed. How come their antennas didn’t light up bright when that website went up?

    @Valdivia: Oh, they’re still on board…but they’re being a lot more quiet about it.

    Surprised me who got on board, in some cases. Pat Lang in particular lost his shit when Zimmerman was arrested, hell, you’d have thought Zimmerman took a bullet for him. Think now he’s calmed down over another black infringement of his white privileges, at least enough to say that the topic’s not open for discussion anymore.

    That “new passport” thing has obviously torpedoed him with the judge. If I were his attorney I’d have gone from thinking “it’s in the bag” to “fuck, I hope we can get a mistrial or appeal”.

  22. 22
    redshirt says:

    Why does Activist Judge hate freedom?

  23. 23
    Clime Acts says:

    So fat jokes are OK now at BJ?

    I get so confused and can’t keep up.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Fucking amazing:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsm.....?ref=fpblg

    Ann Romney owns a horse and rider. There’s that loophole to owning a human we’ve all been looking for.

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    Kane says:

    IANAL, but I believe spousal testimony on things other than abuse is inadmissible in many states

    IANAL, but that does sound familiar from a Law & Order episode I once kinda saw.

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    Sly says:

    “Hey, honey, I know I’m talking to you from a phone in jail and we’ve both been told that our conversations are being recorded, but you need to move some money around before you make the claim at my bond hearing that we’re broke.”

    I can’t see where it went all wrong.

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    MattR says:

    @gex:

    I hope that whole “ordering a new passport shortly after ‘self-defending’ a kid to death” thing gets played up big in his trial.

    He ordered the new passport in 2004

  28. 28
    gogol's wife says:

    @BGinCHI:

    Another person who needs to read Trip Gabriel’s great story on Ann’s dressage guru.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05.....wanted=all

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    El Cid says:

    I’m assuming she can’t claim that she feels her life is threatened and shoot the judge under Stand Your Ground protection.

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    Valdivia says:

    @Forum Transmitted Disease:

    I guess the cognitive dissonance just keeps them from wanting to accept reality in this case eh?

    I agree that the passport thing comes across very badly, don’t think they can spin this out in a favorable way during the trial.

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    @gex: In some states, you are considered to have an expectation of privacy when talking to your spouse. It is a narrower exemption than anything that isn’t abuse, but it does cover some things. Within the scope of that exemption, your spouse can’t testify against you about something you said to them. Anything about which they have direct knowledge outside of just what you told them they can testify about.

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    Raven says:

    @JPL: Nor the inclination.

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    MattR says:

    @J. Michael Neal: And it looks like Florida is one of them.

    90.504 Husband-wife privilege.
    __
    (1) A spouse has a privilege during and after the marital relationship to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, communications which were intended to be made in confidence between the spouses while they were husband and wife.
    __
    (2) The privilege may be claimed by either spouse or by the guardian or conservator of a spouse. The authority of a spouse, or guardian or conservator of a spouse, to claim the privilege is presumed in the absence of contrary evidence.
    __
    (3) There is no privilege under this section:
    __
    (a) In a proceeding brought by or on behalf of one spouse against the other spouse.
    __
    (b) In a criminal proceeding in which one spouse is charged with a crime committed at any time against the person or property of the other spouse, or the person or property of a child of either.
    __
    (c) In a criminal proceeding in which the communication is offered in evidence by a defendant-spouse who is one of the spouses between whom the communication was made.

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    Tony J says:

    @Valdivia:

    Victimitude! Liberal witch-hunt! Chicago-style Activist Judges! Also, too, this is a deliberate attempt by the Far Left to deny Real Americans their 1st Amendment right to employ 2nd Amendment solutions! Argle bargle! DemoRats R Wurz!

    Shorter – This just proves that they were right to donate to Zimmerman’s defence fund. He’s going to need it more than ever now, isn’t he?

  35. 35
    rikyrah says:

    I call bullshyt on the reason quoted. Said it before, will say it again: it’s about the second passport.

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    Steve says:

    The spousal privilege is kind of complicated and there are plenty of exceptions and codicils. But in short, under Florida law, confidential spousal communications are considered privileged and the state can’t use them against a defendant, even if the spouse is willing to testify. So assuming for the sake of argument that George Zimmerman went home and told his wife that it wasn’t self-defense, that’s inadmissible testimony, just as if he had told it to his lawyer or his priest.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @MattR:

    He ordered the new passport in 2004

    MattR, you are interfering with the BJ/Cole brain dead pre-narrative which precludes actual, you know, facts.

    And no one here would ever lie to a judge about such a thing in similar circumstances. Also, too, the fact that she is ACCUSED of lying means that the charge is automatically true. Zealous DA’s hungry for positive publicity never do anything the least bit questionable.

    That’s just how it works in BJ world.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Clime Acts:

    So fat jokes are OK now at BJ?

    If directed at people that shoot an innocent African American kid and then act in concert to both cover it up and enrich themselves over it, I say fat jokes are acceptable.

  39. 39
    Valdivia says:

    @Tony J:

    nothing ever fails, it can only be failed! Like conservatism. Gah. At least it is past 5 and I can have a drink :)

  40. 40
    Clime Acts says:

    @The Dangerman:

    You are a fool.

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    Stuck in the Funhouse says:

    @BGinCHI:

    And on that note, I guess most have seen the Democracy Poll folks new focus group study on the state of the prez race. I do trust Peter Hart to a degree, but not so much mr. Carville.

    Anyways, while I have some skepticism about their prescriptions for what Obama should do, the report has some tidbits of wisdom, I think, that should make dems breath a little easier.

    Such as

    Romney’s support for the Ryan budget is a real vulnerability. Many voters are not familiar with the Ryan budget or Romney’s full-throated support for it. When informed about the budget’s contents and Romney’s endorsement, voters’ worst fears about Romney are confirmed.

    and this

    They do not trust him because of who he is for and because he’s out of touch with ordinary people;

    I do think Obama needs to articulate a plan forward, but also defend his record to the level that is plausible, and also too, define the Mittster, and grind him into pulp whilst pounding the populist progressive message on econ stuff. all at once.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Clime Acts: Continue to fornicate that poultry.

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    Bubblegum Tate says:

    @J. Michael Neal:

    In some states, you are considered to have an expectation of privacy when talking to your spouse.

    Which is exactly why we must not allow gay marriage! Because then anybody talking to anybody can claim spousal privacy!

    [/wingnut]

  44. 44
    David Koch says:

    Leave to liberals to criminalize freedom of speech.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Yutsano:

    Yuts, you’re always so very original.

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    MattR says:

    @Clime Acts:

    Also, too, the fact that she is ACCUSED of lying means that the charge is automatically true.

    If she can come up with a reason why she said she had no money nor did she have an estimate for how much money had come in through the webiste in testimony on April 20 after transferring about $75,000 from George Zimmerman’s account to her account between April 16 and April 19, then I will reconsider my belief that she is guilty of lying under oath.

    And no one here would ever lie to a judge about such a thing in similar circumstances.

    The issue is not whether others would do it. The issue is whether doing so casts you in a negative light. It does.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @Yutsano: He did lie. It’s on tape. The scam they tried to pull with his second passport is also on tape. The most damning part of all this is that Zimmerman didn’t just lie, he got a member of his family to lie on his behalf.

    Has anyone heard from Dershowitz lately?

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    He ordered the new passport in 2004

    @MattR: This is true. After claiming he “lost” his original passport, he got a “replacement”.

    Turned in the old “lost” one, kept the new one.

    I might point out that it’s a crime to keep an old active passport in your possession when you’ve gotten a replacement for it.

    Gosh, it’s almost like he thought he’d need a second passport someday. Not that I’m saying that’s the case, but it would be quite irresponsible, when dealing with questions of murder, not to speculate.

  49. 49
    mouse tolliver says:

    @David Koch:

    Leave to liberals to criminalize freedom of speech.

    When Bill Clinton said, “I did not have sex with that woman.” that was just freedom of speech. Who knew?

  50. 50
    M31 says:

    “If only Trevon Martin had had a gun, this never would have happened.”

    The NRA ad I’m waiting to see.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I can’t say this surprises me. Shellie Zimmerman did testify at the bond hearing that they were broke and didn’t have money to make bail, when she knew this to be false. George had to have been in on this lie; but it got found out pretty quickly, and he’s already back in the slammer because of it. So he’s already taken the hit to his credibility. I wonder, is this caper with the website-raised money going to add a little something to his sentence if he’s convicted?

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    If directed at people that shoot an innocent African American kid and then act in concert to both cover it up and enrich themselves over it, I say fat jokes are acceptable.

    @The Dangerman: Didn’t know what y’all were talking about until I went over to my news feed.

    My word. The perp cam can’t even get her all in frame.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Clime Acts: And you as always are so ridiculous. I wonder why Zimmerman has so much credibility for you. And BTW they both lied while the police were listening and recording. You do not have a right to privacy in a jail holding cell.

  54. 54
    Steve says:

    I didn’t think George Zimmerman testified at the bond hearing, but others are saying that he lied under oath too. Am I confused or are they the ones that are mistaken?

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Clime Acts:

    You are a fool.

    You are a tool.

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    Stuck in the Funhouse says:

    Wow. Mrs Zimmerman have the same dead eyes as George.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @The Dangerman:

    If directed at people that shoot an innocent African American kid and then act in concert to both cover it up and enrich themselves over it, I say fat jokes are acceptable.

    Oh Christ, it’s “It’s OK to use sexist insults on conservative women” all over again.

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    amk says:

    So who is paying georgie boy’s lawyer ? Or is he doing it pro-bono?

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    JPL says:

    @mouse tolliver: Dershowitz has moved on to the Sandusky trial.
    Grifters gotta grift.

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    Tony J says:

    @Valdivia:

    Tru dat. Plus, it pisses off Liberals, which is kind of their whole raison d’etre.

    Oh, and it’s past 10.30 here. (raises a glass of nice red) Cheers!

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    JPL says:

    @TooManyJens: The comments about her appearance were strange considering it doesn’t matter what a perjurer looks like. imo

  62. 62
    JPL says:

    @Tony J: Oh my goodness..do we have a real celeb among us. Are you Angela?

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    stratplayer says:

    @David Koch: @David Koch:

    Leave to liberals to criminalize freedom of speech.

    Yes, anything one says in connection with a conspiracy to commit a fraud on the court is constitutionally protected free speech. Douchebag.

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    Valdivia says:

    @Tony J:

    wherever you are I hope you are enjoying that red (my preferred and usual go to) :)

    I guess conservatives are winning cause I am pissed off all the time!

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    4tehlulz says:

    @JPL: One of the few cases where Dershowitz’s presence might improve something. Maybe.

    (inb4 Clime Acts defends Sandusky.)

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    amk says:

    @Yutsano:

    I wonder why Zimmerman has so much credibility for you.

    Racist pigs have got to stick up for each other.

  67. 67
    eemom says:

    You are a fool.

    You are a tool.

    Would you flame one in a box?

    Would you flame one with a fox?

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    The Dangerman says:

    @TooManyJens:

    Oh Christ, it’s “It’s OK to use sexist insults on conservative women” all over again.

    Um, not even close.

    The Zimmerman’s are human detritus for the reasons noted; “Conservative Women” may be often wrong, but haven’t deteriorated to detritus as a whole as yet (as opposed to the holes in question).

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    Tony J says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    This is one of the (many) things that baffle me about this case.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it already news that Zimmerman’s Internet defence fund was raking in big money – before – the bond hearing? I’m pretty sure I remember seeing a post about it here, though I could be wrong.

    Add that to Zimmerman and Spouse arranging the money shifting on a monitored phoneline and I’m just.. WTF? How did they think they were going to get away with this? And what was his legal team thinking?

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    JPL says:

    @The Dangerman: A perjurer is a perjurer. When you lie under oath it really doesn’t matter if you look like a host of Fox news.

  71. 71
    JPL says:

    @The Dangerman: A perjurer is a perjurer. When you lie under oath it really doesn’t matter if you look like a host of Fox news.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    I wonder, is this caper with the website-raised money going to add a little something to his sentence if he’s convicted?

    @Amir Khalid: It normally wouldn’t. This sort of thing tends to get taken care of via trial sanctions against the alleged offender, not in sentencing.

    What it does do is hand the prosecution a hammer to beat him with, and worse, he now has to deal with a judge who now knows he’s a liar. That last is going to absolutely fuck him when this goes to trial. I’d be seriously considering a plea under the new circumstances, myself.

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    Tony J says:

    @JPL:

    Oh my goodness..do we have a real celeb among us. Are you Angela?

    Bassett? Landsbury? Dickinson? What’s your weakness?

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    Sly says:

    How did they think they were going to get away with this?

    They had the brilliant idea to speak in the impenetrable code of shaving two zeroes off of every dollar amount.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @eemom: I would ignore him on a train.

    I would take up a collection for a brain.

    /prosody fail

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.

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    Steve says:

    @Tony J: Yes, it was news before the bond hearing. I agree with you that it sort of feels like the whole world was slow on the uptake on this issue. However, if a legal defense fund was set up in the right way – a separate entity that can only pay legal expenses – I don’t know that the money would count against you for bond purposes, so maybe it’s understandable that everyone didn’t instantly jump on it.

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    gwangung says:

    @JPL: You know, I wouldn’t find it unreasonable for someone from the outside not taking ANYTHING from Zimmerman at face value.

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    Karen says:

    @4tehlulz:

    So besides being pro-racist, Clime Acts is pro-pedophile too?

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    harlana says:

    amazing that people are just this stupid

    he raised money over the internets for crying out loud. and it was immediately published that he raised about $200,000! or is it the judge who is the stupidest of all?

    if Zimmerman did lie to her about the money, what a fuckwad for trying to take her down with him.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Karen: He just believes in a free market solution for perverts.

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    Tony J says:

    @Valdivia:

    I guess conservatives are winning cause I am pissed off all the time!

    Ah, feck ’em. They’re balls-deep in the sucking mudbath of history and the clown-car’s wheels are spinning like crazy. Sure, bystanders are going to get a bit mucky, but it’s worth it to be on the scene when the last bubble of air pops and silence falls.

    Have another drink, it’ll help pass the time. 8-)

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    Ben Franklin says:

    Wingnut Nation really has their tiny wheat nuggets in a grinder. They really don’t know which end to put in the crapper.

    They can’t apologize to Trayvon’s family, and they can’t defend Zimmerman. It’s quite a sight when geysers spew from the ears after they sneeze, nose and mouth tightly clenched.

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    Nutella says:

    @Tony J:

    Add that to Zimmerman and Spouse arranging the money shifting on a monitored phoneline and I’m just.. WTF? How did they think they were going to get away with this? And what was his legal team thinking?

    George Z came very close to getting away with murder so why wouldn’t the two of them think a little thing like perjury wouldn’t be followed up?

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    JPL says:

    @Tony J: Earlier you: mentioned it was after 10:30…so what time is it?

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    handsmile says:

    @BGinCHI:

    “Scumbag” has a nice refrain./
    So much cleaner than “insane.”

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    MikeJ says:

    I’d say moving money out of the account in increments just under $10,000, which just happens to be the reporting threshold indicates a guilty mind about something.

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    TooManyJens says:

    @The Dangerman: Quit digging. You’re just making it worse.

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    Lojasmo says:

    @Clime Acts:

    Because martin was black, he couldn’t be innocent, amirite, clime?

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @Ben Franklin: Yeah, they really stepped in this one. I’m sure once it gets embarassing enough they’ll just pretend it never happened.

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    mouse tolliver says:

    @Steve: He spoke at the bond hearing and issued a self-serving apology to the parents where he said he thought Trayvon was just a few years younger than himself (mid to late 20s). In fact, on the 911 tape, he correctly identified Trayvon as a teenager.

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    Steve says:

    @mouse tolliver: Yes, but did he testify under oath about his finances?

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    Jennifer says:

    It probably didn’t help that George told the judge his wife had talked him into lying about the money.

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    4tehlulz says:

    @Karen: In the absence of a denial, it would be irresponsible not to speculate whether Clime Acts is in fact propedophile.

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    Calouste says:

    @harlana:

    I’d prefer a judge to take financial statements rather than internet reporting into account. You know, evidence.

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    Tony J says:

    @JPL:

    Is this one of those music references I never get because I’m pretty much a philistine?

    Weather Girls? Nope. Little help?

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    Lojasmo says:

    @Karen:

    So besides being pro-racist, Clime Acts is pro-pedophile too?

    New here?

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    lamh35 says:

    The affidavit says:
    http://thinkprogress.org/wp-co.....-12-12.pdf

    Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $74K from her husband’s account to hers in 4 payments of $9,990; 2 payments of $9,999; and 2 payments of $7,500.

    Shellie Zimmerman made 2 withdrawals of $9,000 each from her credit union account.

    After Zimmerman was released from jail, his wife transferred $85,500 from her account back to his.

    While in jail Zimmerman instructed his wife to use the (defense) funds to pay off their bills, including and American Express card and Sam’s Club card.

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    Jade Jordan says:

    Better do a Balloon Juice Fundraiser for Jeralyn Merritt’s (Talkleft Blog) mental health treatment. She is tying herself in a legal knot defending the right of Zimmerman to murder any undesirable he wants to.

    I don’t think she has enough left to do a full throated defense of wifey too.

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    amk says:

    @Steve: So the judge fixed the first bail amount randomly ?

  101. 101
    Steve says:

    @amk: Huh?

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    4tehlulz says:

    @lamh35: I’m sure it was an accident that those were just a smidge under the magic $10K number for reporting to the IRS.

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    Valdivia says:

    @Tony J:

    I like how you think, another drink it is
    /by November I will be a total lush!

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Yutsano:

    I wonder why Zimmerman has so much credibility for you.

    Please indicate where I said Zimmerman has “so much credibility.”

    I’ll wait.

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    amk says:

    @Steve: Did the judge arrive at the bail amount without hearing georgie’s financial status from him/his lawyer ? So wouldn’t that amount his ‘testifying’ which you seem fixated on ? In any case, the judge ordered his ass back to jail. So I guess he knows better whether he ‘tesfied’ or not, no?

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    Jennifer says:

    @Jennifer: I fear I may have shared some misinformation. I don’t know why I was under the impression that Zimmerman had told the judge his wife talked him into trying to conceal the money, because I sure thought I remembered reading it at the time. But I don’t see it reported in anything on the google machine.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @4tehlulz:

    (inb4 Clime Acts defends Sandusky.)

    You just refuse to learn about reading comprehension and the meaning of specific words and groups of words called sentences.

    Please link to anywhere I “defended” Sandusky.

    Thanks.

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    amk says:

    @lamh35: So clever these fucking wingnuts.

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    Raven says:

    Rev Al has Newt on. Ugh.

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    Tony J says:

    @Steve: Yeah, but was the fund set up that way? From the fact that Zimmerman and his wife were able to move the money around themselves it doesn’t look like it. So I’m still baffled that, a) they thought they could get away with it, b) their legal team seemingly didn’t know what was going on, and c) the prosecution and/or the Court didn’t make sure that the money in the fund really was ‘ring-fenced’ when discussing bail.

    But IANAL.

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    Raven says:

    “Georgia has rejected an application from the Ku Klux Klan to adopt a one-mile stretch of highway in North Georgia, setting up a likely legal battle over whether the white supremacist group can receive state recognition to clean up litter.”

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Karen:

    So besides being pro-racist, Clime Acts is pro-pedophile too?

    Could you provide links? Thanks, I’ll wait.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Lojasmo:

    Because martin was black, he couldn’t be innocent, amirite, clime?

    Are you seriously under the impression that this word group of yours has a coherent relationship to anything I’ve said?

    Links please. Thanks.

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    JPL says:

    @Raven: Hopefully the KKK goes broke defending their all of a sudden concern for the environment.

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    Steve says:

    @amk: You’re remarkably hostile for someone who seems to not actually know the answer. Maybe to you it’s incredibly obvious that Zimmerman must have testified under oath about his finances, so obvious that you feel entitled to snarl at anyone who dares to ask the question. To me, it’s just a yes/no question – either he did or he didn’t. As it turns out, the court’s order revoking the bond suggests he didn’t – so maybe you could calm down.

    @Tony J: I think they set up a separate bank account to take donations but didn’t otherwise do the things you would do to set up a legal defense fund. Then they transferred the money into their personal accounts and paid off the credit cards and all that. At some point after the bond hearing, his attorneys found out about this and they proceeded to set up a defense fund in the right way, transfer the remaining money back into that fund, and make disclosure to the state of the fact that the funds existed. I’m not entirely sure but I think this is what happened.

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    Steeplejack says:

    DVR Alert!

    Off topic, but I have to go out, and no open thread available.

    Pretty good film noir on TCM at 11:30 EDT tonight: Dead Reckoning (1947), Humphrey Bogart and Lizabeth Scott (in Lauren Bacall lite mode). Bogey is a war vet who finds that everything is not squeaky clean in a Florida town.

    I bring it up because this one doesn’t come on very often, for some reason.

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    amk says:

    shorter ca – you libruls are trying to frame me. fuck all the turds I’ve been drooping here.

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    lamh35 says:

    I hear from twitterverse that Newt Gingrich getting taken to woodshet by Rev Al on Politics Nation.

    Credit where credit’s due I guess, good on Gingrich for even going on Rev Al’s show I guess.

    MichaelaAngela Davis ‏@MichaelaAngelaD

    if you’re watching ‪#PoliticsNation‬ you’ll get why much of the black community loves/ trusts @TheRevAl-he defends the dignity of working folk

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @amk:

    Word.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @eemom:

    I would flame one in my socks.

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    WJS says:

    @Clime Acts:

    Tee hee.
    Hey Odie, all my little boys say a very special “hello” to you.

    You know, I’ve seen that “tee hee” before. Who talks that way? Weird.

    What handle where you using when you defended Sandusky?

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    Tony J says:

    @Valdivia:

    Way past bed-time here in the Old Country.

    Salut!

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Steeplejack: Thanks! That’s a rare one.

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    Egg Berry says:

    @Steve: That’s what the story linked a few comments back stated, that now they have a fund managed by the legal team. The earlier fund was not.

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    amk says:

    @Steve: You seem remarkably alert and eager in trying to provide cover for georgie with all your conjectures evidence to the contrary.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @MikeJ:

    i’d say moving money out of the account in increments just under $10,000, which just happens to be the reporting threshold indicates a guilty mind about something.

    They were smurfing on top of everything else? These people are bucking for induction into the Dumb Criminal Hall of Fame on the first ballot.

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    4tehlulz says:

    @Clime Acts: learn what inb4 says before you rip other people’s reading comprehension

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @stratplayer:

    Um…strat…Mr. Koch here is a well known parody troll. Sometimes his snark is a bit on the Gobi side of dry, but that was meant as snark.

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    Valdivia says:

    @Tony J:

    Salud! I may not have gathered yet where your Old Country is. UK?

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    Tonal Crow says:

    The liberals made her do it.

    Bill Clinton’s P***s made her do it because it established a “climate of permissiveness”.

    The lack of bipartisanship — which is mostly the fault of liberals because both sides do it — made her do it.

    The A.C.L.U. made her do it.

    Young bucks eating Cadillacs and driving around in T-bone steaks made her do it.

    Gay polar-bear whale scientists screeching about global warming made her do it.

    The French made her do it.

    “Fast and Furious” made her do it.

    Solyndra made her do it.

    Rev. Wright made her do it.

    Obama’s fake birth certificate made her do it.

    Martians who faked the moon landings made her do it.

    Anyone but herself made her do it.

    “Party of Personal Responsibility”.

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    jwb says:

    @4tehlulz: Given how dumb he has been on every other aspect of this case, he doesn’t seem smart enough to have figured on his own that he needed to keep the transfers under $10K. Wonder who was dispensing the advice?

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    Jewish Steel says:

    @BGinCHI: Nothing says All-American Man Of The People like the equestrian event at the Olympics. I’ll bet his people groaned a little inwardly when her horse and servants* qualified.

    *If you own a rider surely you own a groom.

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    Raven says:

    @Steeplejack: Not showing up on my channel guide?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    To refresh everyone’s memory:
    Clime Acts, then using the nym Kola Noscopy, posted a comment in one of the threads discussing the Penn State University child-rape scandal, where he said that maybe a witness who walked in on Jerry Sandusky raping a young boy was wise not to interrupt. Kola Noscopy argued that interrupting the rape might have interfered with the boy’s enjoyment of it.

    I would prefer not to link to that thread. Just remembering it makes me feel ill.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Clime Acts:

    Links please.

    The last refuge of the man who knows he’s fucked.

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    Tonal Crow says:

    @Jewish Steel: Isn’t “dressage” a French word?

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    Yutsano says:

    @Steve: Either he or his attorney had to submit a financial statement showing why a lower bond is justified on grounds of inability to pay the bond. That is a sworn affadavit under penalty of perjury. He lied on that statement. So he will also have consequences facing him for that.

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    amk says:

    @Amir Khalid: Isn’t it about time cole took out the trash from his blog ?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Tonal Crow:

    All in all, good, but you make a crucial error.

    Bill Clinton’s male member is know as “The Clenis” and it is one of the most powerful avatars in the world. It has been known to start wars…for example, it caused Princip to shoot the Hapsburg heir in 1914, it planted the bomb in the Maine, and it fomented BOTH Defenestrations of Prague.

    The Clenis’ power is without peer.

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    amk says:

    @Yutsano: Bingo.

    You’re being hostile. splutter/spittle. /steve

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @amk:

    Well, we haven’t heard from m_c in quite some time, so there’s hope that we can be rid of the scum that is Clime Acts.

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    Jewish Steel says:

    @Tonal Crow: Ann Romney’s Diamond Jubilee will be a sight to behold.

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    Steve says:

    @Yutsano: Daily Kos was nice enough to post a copy of the judge’s order revoking Zimmerman’s bond. The judge doesn’t refer to any sworn financial statement, which I’d expect him to do if one was submitted. I also don’t know why, if there was a sworn financial statement, Zimmerman’s wife would be getting questioned under oath about their finances, since it would already be right there in writing.

    My point in all this was simply that if Zimmerman is going to be prosecuted for perjury (in addition to his wife who looks guilty as hell) it has to be based on something he actually said under oath, not just the fact that he stood there silently while his wife lied to the court.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @WJS:

    Learn to differentiate your prejudiced fantasies from the actual meaning of peoples’ words.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @WJS:

    You know, I’ve seen that “tee hee” before. Who talks that way? Weird.

    Gosh, I don’t know…maybe a parody of a pedo or something like that. Are you as dense as you sound?

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    Clime Acts says:

    @burnspbesq:

    The last refuge of the man who knows he’s fucked.

    Links?

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    amk says:

    @Steve:

    I also don’t know why, if there was a sworn financial statement, Zimmerman’s wife would be getting questioned under oath about their finances, since it would already be right there in writing.

    ummm, may be to see if she will perjure herself again?

    The judge doesn’t refer to any sworn financial statement, which I’d expect him to do if one was submitted.

    Right, he will get right on it, as you wish.

    You think you are arguing smartly, but you really are not.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’d suggest you be ashamed of that deceitful summary, but I’m certain you’re far beyond any kind of shame.

    Back on topic, I always know when I’ve made a solid point here. The response, regardless of topic?: PEDO!

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    Tonal Crow says:

    @Steve:

    My point in all this was simply that if Zimmerman is going to be prosecuted for perjury (in addition to his wife who looks guilty as hell) it has to be based on something he actually said under oath, not just the fact that he stood there silently while his wife lied to the court.

    It does seem that the might be prosecuted for suborning perjury (or possibly conspiracy) if he cooperated with his wife in her apparent perjury.

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    Ben Franklin says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Is that an accurate summary of the facts?

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Steve:

    My point in all this was simply that if Zimmerman is going to be prosecuted for perjury (in addition to his wife who looks guilty as hell) it has to be based on something he actually said under oath, not just the fact that he stood there silently while his wife lied to the court.

    Please. These cooter-brains have no interest in facts or procedure. Such trivialities often threaten to get in the way of race-gasms.

    Ergo: PEDO!

  152. 152
    eemom says:

    Such a clusterfuck has become this thread!
    John Cole, post soon; else we’ll all be dead.

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    Tonal Crow says:

    Does every fifth thread on this site have to devolve into yet another repetition of the Penn St. flame war? Give it a REST.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Ben Franklin:

    Is that an accurate summary of the facts?

    hahahahahaha…

    …that moron is no more interested in the facts regarding my position on the Sandusky case than it is in the facts regarding Zimmerman/Martin.

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    Heliopause says:

    Uh, why “schadenfreude”? Do you experience this emotion for everybody who is arrested?

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    Clime Acts says:

    @Tonal Crow:

    It’s what they do when they’ve got nothing.

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    Lojasmo says:

    @Clime Acts:

    You’ve said so many ridiculous things here under so many nyms, I’m not exactly going to trot around and look for them.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Tonal Crow:

    I, for one, wish to discuss how the Zimmerman murder case (now, seasoned with a soupçon of perjury!) affects the Duke lacrosse team.

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    TomG says:

    I’m not surprised, but not happy, that there are some folks here defending using fat jokes about people they don’t agree with. And excusing it again when called out.
    Aren’t we better than that?

    Glad to see that some of the commenters don’t support such nonsense.

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    Steve says:

    @amk: It doesn’t make any sense that the judge would settle for criticizing Zimmerman for standing by silently as his wife lied to the court, without making any mention of a hypothetical affidavit in which Zimmerman lied to the court directly. Also, considering the court wasn’t aware of the defense fund until the state filed a motion to revoke the bond, your speculation that the court was questioning Zimmerman’s wife about matters that were already in an affidavit in order to see if she would commit perjury doesn’t make sense. This is the last time I will engage with your comments unless you start discussing in a more mature fashion.

    @Tonal Crow: It’s possible that Zimmerman could be convicted of conspiracy (or suborning perjury, which is basically the same thing), but here’s why I think it would be tricky. You would have to show that Zimmerman actually told or encouraged his wife to lie under oath, or formed a plan to have her do so. The conversation where they’re conspiring to hide the funds wouldn’t be enough unless they actually talked about how she would testify. Generally speaking, if someone lies on your behalf and you just stand there silently, that’s not perjury or conspiracy on its own.

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    Lojasmo says:

    @Clime Acts:

    That’s EXACTLY what happened, you lying scumbag.

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    Ben Franklin says:

    @trollhattan:

    ROFLMAO…

    That’s the default “Easy” button wingers were pining for. May their Bretibart poster be worth several dollars by the end of this.

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    chopper says:

    @Clime Acts:

    And no one here would ever lie to a judge about such a thing in similar circumstances.

    i’m sure you’d lie through your teeth.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Steve:

    Also, considering the court wasn’t aware of the defense fund until the state filed a motion to revoke the bond

    Actually according to the revocation order, she did testify to its existence. But she said she didn’t know how much was in it, which proved to be false. George’s involvement in the hearing is more vague, so from the order alone it’s hard to tell exactly what he said or didn’t say.

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    amk says:

    @Steve: Bloviating and second guessing the judge and simply hypothesizing shoulda/coulda/woulda in order to cover for this murdering perjurer is not a ‘mature discussion’, you fucktard. Good bye.

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    chopper says:

    @Steve:

    knowingly filing a sworn affidavit with a glaring falsehood can get you shitcanned too. it doesn’t have to be only lying in open court under oath.

    looks like he filed some bullshit paperwork, and his wife openly lied to the judge.

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    chopper says:

    point is, i think there had to be something they filed regarding bond. you can’t just up and say you have no money for bond ‘so make it low’ without something on the record.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve:

    So your argument is that moving money out of your bank account and then claiming in front of the court that you’re indigent and should get lower bail is not perjury?

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    rachel says:

    @mouse tolliver:

    Has anyone heard from Dershowitz lately?

    That guy on Phineas and Ferb?

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    Steve says:

    @Yutsano: Sorry, I wrote that sentence a little imprecisely. The judge was apparently aware of allegations that there was a defense fund, but he wasn’t aware she was lying about how much was in it until the state filed a motion.

    @chopper: Yes, perjury can be based on an affidavit, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate there actually was an affidavit. It’s almost unthinkable that the judge wouldn’t have even mentioned the existence of a false affidavit in his order revoking bond.

    @Mnemosyne: Not at all, which is why I think his wife is obviously guilty. I’m saying that if Zimmerman himself simply stood there silently and didn’t falsely testify himself, I don’t think he’s guilty of perjury.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @TomG:

    I’m not surprised, but not happy, that there are some folks here defending using fat jokes about people they don’t agree with.

    Please…

    …”don’t agree with”? Dude shot an unarmed kid. Wife lied to get him out of jail. That’s a little bit more than “don’t agree with”.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve:

    I don’t have the actual court transcript in front of me, but according to the Miami Herald, Zimmerman’s bail was revoked on the grounds that he was “not truthful during the bond hearing.” IIRC, the judge is not the one who determines whether those lies rise to the level of perjury — the prosecutors do. And if I further RC, prosecutors don’t necessarily have to charge someone immediately and will sometimes keep charges in their back pocket to bargain with later.

    So I really wouldn’t rush to the conclusion that speculation about a possible perjury charge is bogus just because the prosecution hasn’t done it yet.

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    Steve says:

    @Mnemosyne: Well, I hope I’m not jumping to conclusions, just saying I haven’t seen anything yet to show that Zimmerman made false statements at the bond hearing or submitted a false affidavit. Again, I think the judge’s order revoking bond is a good read. The judge makes it quite clear what he thinks of Zimmerman’s credibility, and rightly so.

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    gwangung says:

    Not at all, which is why I think his wife is obviously guilty. I’m saying that if Zimmerman himself simply stood there silently and didn’t falsely testify himself, I don’t think he’s guilty of perjury.

    That might get off in an Internet court, but I’m not sure that many real life courts would look favorably on that; certainly as to revocation of bail, and probably to perjury, if a spouse is testifying to the state of their joint finances.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Is that an accurate summary of the facts?

    @Ben Franklin: His post is 100% factually correct.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Steve:

    We must be reading that affidavit differently, because when the judge says this:

    The Defendant gave limited testimony at the bond hearing on different matters, but did not contradict or supplement his wife’s testimony about his financial resources or possession of a passport.

    … it sure doesn’t sound to me as though Zimmerman will be immune from a perjury charge just because he kept his mouth shut and let his wife do the lying for him. In fact, it sounds as though the court thinks Zimmerman had a legal responsibility to contradict her testimony at the bond hearing if it was not true.

    At a minimum, Zimmerman is looking at a conspiracy charge if his wife is convicted. Contrary to what some commenters (not you) try to claim sometimes, helping someone plan the commission of a crime is not free speech protected by the First Amendment, even if you don’t participate in the actual commission of the crime.

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    Laertes says:

    Holy shit she looks like his twin.

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    gwangung says:

    In fact, it sounds as though the court thinks Zimmerman had a legal responsibility to contradict her testimony at the bond hearing if it was not true.

    I’m not quite sure what the quibbling is over. The hearing was about setting his bail. The wife was testifying about joint finances—which is something material to the hearing, and which he had direct knowledge over. Moreover, it would be something he would have had to testify on, anyway.

    For curiosity’s sake, what would the legal principle be for NOT charging him?

    (There are folks elsewhere arguing that this is simply prose curial retribution, which I don’t get either….bail is bail….)

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    Fluke bucket says:

    Bill Clinton was impeached because of perjury. It is a very serious crime. But it is not Zimmerman that i am interested in. It is ALEC, the stand your ground law and the Sanford police department that I want to hear more about. Zimmerman is only a pawn in the game.

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    Clime Acts says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    “His post is 100% factually correct.”

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Well, since you say so…

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Fluke bucket:

    It’s only a very serious crime if it’s committed by a Democrat, in the context of a legal proceeding that has nothing at all to do with official duties.

    Perjury is A-OK IYAR.

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    tybee says:

    @Raven:

    this could be the first time trash picked itself up…

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $74K from her husband’s account to hers in 4 payments of $9,990; 2 payments of $9,999; and 2 payments of $7,500.

    It’s almost as if she’s ‘smart’ enough to know that the federal reporting requirements kick in at $10k, but dumb enough not to know that a series of $9,9xx transfers will get flagged too.

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    Yutsano says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: Yup. I bet they haven’t even bothered topay any sort of tax on it. And they will get a 1099 from PayPal. Estimated taxes not paid are very rough business.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Steve:

    My point in all this was simply that if Zimmerman is going to be prosecuted for perjury (in addition to his wife who looks guilty as hell) it has to be based on something he actually said under oath, not just the fact that he stood there silently while his wife lied to the court.

    They can both get hammered for conspiracy with that recorded jail phone conversation. RICO may come into play as well considering they were trying to skirt banking laws.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Steve:

    My point in all this was simply that if Zimmerman is going to be prosecuted for perjury (in addition to his wife who looks guilty as hell) it has to be based on something he actually said under oath, not just the fact that he stood there silently while his wife lied to the court.

    They can both get hammered for conspiracy with that recorded jail phone conversation. RICO may come into play as well considering they were trying to skirt banking laws.

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    Roy G. says:

    @Forum Transmitted Disease: Tell me about it – Lang banned me during that time, while he let some young neo Nazi air his racism, because they had that old common cause.

    Alas, his expertise and pragmatism about the Middle East don’t extend to his thoroughly retrograde social beliefs.

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    gloryb says:

    Another thing the prosecution does in these instances is use the wife’s charges as a bargaining chip, agree to drop the charges against the wife in exchange for a plea. Of course, I think this case might be too famous for that, but it’s not a bad card for the prosecutor to hold.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @BGinCHI:

    @Karen: He just believes in a free market solution for perverts like himself.

    Fix’t.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Jade Jordan:

    She’s in full defense attorney mode right now. I went over there since you mentioned it and I haven’t been to her site since the lovefest between her and Armando, during their I love HILLARY, Obama SUX!! mutual gropefest. Boy is she ever all in on defending Zimmerman no matter what he does.

    I know that the accused need representation but lawyers like her are more like a cheerleading section.

    Oh, that and I still think she is a horrible writer. It almost physically hurts to read her twisted sentences and paragraphs.

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    canadian shield says:

    @rachel:
    ROFL!
    Engage the Zimmerman-a-nator!

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    @WJS:
    It was this handle.

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    Xenos says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Are your sure Clenis was not behind the one-and-one-half nor the third (which is to say, the fourth) defenestrations of Prague?

    And why the hell does nobody think of putting bars in the windows? You would think someone would think of that by now.

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    LAC says:

    @Clime Acts: Still defending the assholes, I see.

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    brantl says:

    @Clime Acts: Dog knows, you’d be our expert on fools. Walk the walk, talk the talk….

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    brantl says:

    Get real. He’s right.

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    The Sailor says:

    “You would have to show that Zimmerman actually told or encouraged his wife to lie under oath, or formed a plan to have her do so.”

    That’s exactly what the jail recordings have done. (INAL) They engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the court, IMO.
    +++++++++++++++++
    It’s an interesting point of law to me that a spouse can’t be compelled to testify against a spouse … yet prosecutors do that when they say they’ll drop charges against the spouse if you plead.
    +++++++++++++++++
    Jerralyn Merrit has rich clients and sees nothing wrong in that they get treated differently by the JustUs system.
    I stopped reading her blog when I got in an argument with her about a lawyer surrendering his (allegedly violent) client in a deal, when it was clear to me that anyone else would have had their door kicked in at 5 am and been dragged out of there.

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