It’s a lot of work following Americans Elect, because one has to delve deep into the weeds of the rules to get any real sense of what the hell is going on there. Don’t do that. Instead, just read the dedicated and self-sacrificing people who follow their every move. This is from AE Transparency, which is only one of the sites that track AE:
We Pay Attention To Americans Elect Corporation So You Won’t Have To
in a surprising new development this week, undeclared ‘draft’ candidate David Walker skyrocketed out of nowhere (OK, out of 25th place) last week to break into our Top 20 candidate list this week in 17th place, leapfrogging all but three declared candidates. This surprise move had nothing to do with actually winning voter support (Walker gained only a lamentable 8 qualifying votes this week, anemic even by Americans Elect’s standards) and had everything to do with back-room funny business.
How can just 8 votes (out of AECorp’s membership of 400,000+) significantly propel a candidate toward success in the Americans Elect beauty pageant? They can’t, of course. But moving the goal-posts sure can, and that is what transpired this week while you weren’t looking, as AECorp insiders quietly upgraded Walker’s ticket to ride.
Americans Elect’s Candidate Certification Committee apparently originally classified Walker as a “contingently qualified” candidate, requiring him to net 50,000 qualifying votes to advance to the next round of balloting. Yet sometime during the past week (in the dark of night, perhaps, while we were all asleep?) Walker’s candidacy status on his Americans Elect web page appears to have been quietly changed to “Former Head of a Federal Agency” without any announcement, and his qualifying vote requirement was accordingly reduced from 50,000 to just 10,000. In other words, AECorp generously upgraded Walker’s ticket from coach to first class. Thus Walker (with only 94 qualifying votes) thereby automatically leapt from 25th place – behindcontingently qualified declared candidates Michealene Risley (454 qualifying votes) and TJ Ohara (141 qualifying votes) to 17th place (ahead of them both). And with just 11 more votes Walker will surpass contingently qualified declared candidate Laurence Kotlikoff (524 qualifying votes), as well.
[UPDATE: Tip of the hat to Irregular Times’ Jim Cook for independently verifying Walker’s Easter Week Ascension (He is Risen!), with an able assist from Bing’s cache. Thanks, Jim!]All this would be much ado about nothing, but for the fact that David Walker, who has long lobbied for massive cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and other safety-net programs, is an Americans Elect Board of Advisors member (i.e., an AECorp insider himself), as well as for the existence of numerous signals over the past few weeks that Walker is a particular favorite of his fellow AECorp insiders. As Jim Cook of Irregular Times has carefully documented, AE insiders Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild and Mark McKinnon (George W. Bush’s former campaign manager) have both sung Walker’s praise as a potential presidential candidate lately, as has apparent AE auxiliary, “No Labels”. AE itself has issued a gushing press release extolling Walker’s virtues, and AE’s cheerleader on the New York Times op-ed page, Thomas Friedman, published a shamelessly flattering column in the Times in February imagining the glories of a Walker presidency. This represents a lot of serious firepower being brought to bear in support of a candidate who has, as yet, persuaded only 94 Americans to give him their qualifying votes at Americans Elect. Strange indeed.
‘Kremlin watchers’ here at AE Transparency (that is, the more paranoid among us) suggest that AECorp’s odd move this week…moving David Walker’s goal-posts by re-defining the term ‘Federal agency’…signals a growing impatience within the Americans Elect penthouse with Buddy Roemer’s now clearly established inability to draw votes (one of the major reasons for AE’s embarrassingly unsuccessful ballot thus far). Casting about for another potential draw (or so the theory goes), insiders have set their last desperate hopes on Walker. All that is required in order to save AE’s disastrous first-round balloting would be for humble, self-sacrificing Walker to officially declare his candidacy, for AE to once more rev up its powerful publicity machine in his favor (with reliable support from the Times’ Friedman), and – if absolutely necessary – to ever-so-slightly re-jigger the rules just one more time to, say, automatically advance the top three declared candidates (which could soon easily include Walker) to the next round of balloting, whatever their vote totals might be.
Right now, it’s just a theory. But our hawk-eyed election monitors will be closely observing AECorp’s moves in these final weeks of its first-round ballot, looking for further Walker-promoting skullduggery. Maybe you should, too. After all, “Ninety-Four-Vote Dave” Walker might just be the next leader of the free world, if that’s what Ackerman Elects.
Wouldn’t it be great if someone would ask Tom Friedman just how much he understands about this process he’s endorsed and promoted? Ask him a question. “How does AE work, Tom, specifically?”
jibeaux
I’m guessing most taxi drivers have never heard of AE, so Tom is going to be SOL answering that question.
Clime Acts
Ummm…so why are you obsessed with AE?
I don’t get it exactly, though I’m guessing it has something to do with the fact that its members and participants dare to organize politically in a way that doesn’t honor the calcified Democratic party.
The prophet Nostradumbass
hey, the PUMA queen’s involved in this, what a surprise.
Jon O.
Well, that’s why they’ve got the web front-end where the plebes can vote by issues and state that
they would really just rather support Barack Obamathey’re tired of all the partisanship in Washington! Pick your candidates and your issues! It’s like Pinterest plus the franchise!What’s that? Oh, you can ignore that smoke-filled room over there. Also, if you see Christine Todd Whitman pointing at you, whispering and giggling to Doug Schoen, don’t worry about it. Just a little joke about democracy.
lacp
Fuckin’ AE nomination. How’s that work?
c u n d gulag
“Ask him a question. “How does AE work, Tom, specifically?””
Friedman will tell you we should all know in about 6 months.
ornery_curmudgeon
@Clime Acts: so why are you obsessed with AE? … I’m guessing it has something to do with the fact that its members and participants dare to organize politically in a way that doesn’t honor the calcified Democratic party.
That’s it, duuude! Of COURSE we only want calcified politics–how dare they not do that.
Such substance in your thinking, such poise and acumen. Great vision.
Gin & Tonic
@Clime Acts: Right, because a whole 12,000 votes in over two months is a groundswell of organization.
Kay
@Clime Acts:
Ummmm..so why do you bother with fake questions? You didn’t read the post, again, and you don’t understand anything about the topic, again.
Just repeat your one and only point, which is this:
An assumption you see right through to motive, followed with your grand theory on the Democratic Party. Again.
Look up the word “obsessed”. Does writing essentially the same comment no matter the topic, daily, qualify?
tweez
Over at AmericanSelect I cast my vote for Sarah Palin. It felt icky-licious
Villago Delenda Est
The moustache of understanding should hang from the same gallows as the rest of the Americans Select neofeudalist filth.
Villago Delenda Est
@The prophet Nostradumbass:
The Marie Antoinette (along with the vile harpy Babs Bush) of 21st Century America. Both need to be put on tumbrels, stat.
Suffern ACE
Party made up of party insiders from the two parties behaves like party of insiders. Next we’ll find out that they’re self-dealing insiders to boot, hiring their own campaign firms to collect advisor fees on a national campaign.
taylormattd
AAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHH.
Dork
Isnt “AE” a dairy company?
taylormattd
@Clime Acts: Once again, proving that hatred of Obama and/or a general hatred of democrats leads alleged lefties to defend psychopath winguts.
Ash Can
The pie-filter version of Clime Acts beats the living hell out of the real thing. Just sayin’.
Thanks again, cleek.
jibeaux
@tweez: 12,000 total votes INCLUDING all the rodent carnal knowledge. Truly, a grassroots populist movement filling a much-needed void.
Amir Khalid
Who is this David Walker? Does AE have a bio on him anywhere? Does he even know that he’s an Americans Elect candidate for president?
For that matter, are any of the other AE “candidates” aware of their AE candidacy? (I notice that one of them is Ron Paul, whose candidacy as a Republican is going nowhere as usual.) If so, why aren’t they out there campaigning?
This Americans Elect thing is starting to sound like a bunch of rich people and pundits just dicking around. Either that, or it’s some kind of scam.
Punchy
Why not nommy Newt Gringrich and rebrand it Americans Erect?
jibeaux
@Ash Can: Ooh, that seems like a really good version, a pie filter with corny grandfathery jokes.
moonmullins
Quick question for someone following AE more closely than I am. Why would they be making common cause with Buddy Roehmer at all? From what I could tell in the R primarys he was running a single issue campaign about campaign finance reform and greater transparency. From what I can tell about AE they are huge corporate shills who want unlimited anonymous amounts of money to decide elections. I get why they’d be ditching Roehmer but why were they with him in the first place?
Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937
This is reminiscent of European royalty until WWI destroyed its most visible manifestations. Need a new head of a gov’t? Just import an elite from somewhere else. Maybe Sarah P&T has an informed opinion on AE – she seems to party in these circles.
Poopyman
@Villago Delenda Est: @Villago Delenda Est: Man! Aren’t we feeling frisky today!
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
Either that, or it’s some kind of scam.
I’ll take the house odds with 12 points
Poopyman
@Amir Khalid:
You seem to think it’s either/or, when it really is both.
Ash Can
@jibeaux: I thought this one was particularly cute. :)
Kay
@moonmullins:
One of their issues is campaign finance reform. The plan is, it will be voluntary. Pledges.
IMO, there will be pressure for campaign finance reform as a result of Citizens. IMO, they hope to preempt real campaign regulation by co-opting the issue.
Ash Can
@Commenting at Balloon Juice since 1937: I’m sure her account would involve a great deal of childish petulance, narcotics-hogging, and public humiliation involving soiled undies, all on the part of the AEers.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
I find it passing strange that Warren Buffett never seems to make the list of approved quotations from the good folks at AE. Why is that, exactly? Surely he qualifies as the sort of grandfatherly elite figure whose advice they think should be used to steer the ship of state twixt the rocky shoals of the neo-Stalinist left and the whirlpool of the extreme right. Does this have anything to do with the nagging problem that his views on regulation of financial derivatives are closer to those of OWS than of Bobo, et. al. Surely not? Say it isn’t so!
Villago Delenda Est
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
Because Warren Buffet is smart enough to know what happens to 1%ers who keep demanding that their taxes be cut.
They get something else cut, instead.
Clime Acts
@Kay:
Kay, you hate anyone poking at your lollipop land of politics, don’t you?
I keep making the same point because Cole’s back bench here keeps posting the same, “Dems are groovy no matter what” schtick, over and over again, and no one ever counters me except to say “you suck.”
You’re among the worst, as you are so emotionally and time-invested in the party that you don’t dare acknowledge the bullshit.
Why are you the only one here who gets to be redundant?
joes527
I guess I don’t understand AE.
How is a guy that has a a few than a quarter of the votes that Colbert has some kind of juggernaut?
OK. I see. AE is rigged where some candidates are more equal than others. Do much for answering directly to voters and not the political system.
Fine. Still, he needs 1000 in each of 10 states to qualify. An he has barely broken double digits in 4 states to date.
ON. THE. INTERNET.
A youtube video of me lighting farts would generate more buzz.
Clime Acts
@Kay:
Wow. I wasn’t aware that you are an idiot. I DID read your post. I am likely one of the few commenters here who reads all the way thru posts on a regular basis.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they haven’t read your screed, dear.
BTW…your superior dance is showing…
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Awww. Are you upset because people have figured out the only point of American Select is to draw votes away from Obama? Or do you actually think that Tom Friedman has his finger on the pulse of the American electorate and what people really want is someone more corporate than Obama but less crazy than Romney?
Clime Acts
@taylormattd:
Idiot. I voted for Obama in the recent Mass primary.
I don’t usually vote for people I “hate.”
Problem is, you and Kay want blind obedience and personality worship.
It’s all kind of funny, because while you bots are often pontificating about “pushing from the left,” and “making him do it,” I’m one of the few here who actually seems to try to do that.
I bitch and moan about how Obama and the Dems suck ass, and then I went and voted for the sob. Is that hard for you to understand?
Face
@Clime Acts: Clime seems quite concerned today.
Snowwy
Must resist.
Really.
Taking a deep breath.
Just because he’s wrong doesn’t mean *I* must educate him.
Gin & Tonic
@joes527:
Linky?
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
You’re so cute. Your only concern is for the political career of Barack Obama, all else be damned.
Fuck that.
Baron Jrod of Keeblershire
@Clime Acts: Good forbid somebody invest their time into a party. That’s for foolish people who don’t realize that any participation in politics beyond reading FDL and making blog comments is for suckers.
We must whine our way to victory! Victory for some perfect candidate yet to be determined. Possibly one of the Paul family. Anyone but Obama, really.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Supporting the corporate-selected candidate of American Select is “pushing from the left”?
I guess you think JP Morgan and Bank of America are, like, totally on the side of the people now since you’re so upset that we’re mocking the political party that they created.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Ah, so you do want a candidate even more beholden to corporations than Obama. Good to know.
ETA: I didn’t realize that your whole problem with Obama all along was that he didn’t take enough corporate money.
Amir Khalid
@joes527:
But then you’d have a problem with voters concerned about global warming.
peach flavored shampoo
Yes, very hard to understand why you voted for someone who sucks ass. Personally, I dont vote for sucky-ass people.
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
You really should learn to read. I don’t support anybody having anything to do with AE. Never said I did.
Never said AE was pushing from the left either.
What are you responding to?
Kay
@Clime Acts:
You keep making the same point because you never know anything about the topic, so you go to your preferred topic, which is the the poster or the blog. As usual, you’re wrong on the facts, because you never read anything. I’ve written about AE twice.
Don’t bullshit me with posing it as a question as if you’re fucking interested in an answer. You’re not.
Write “Democrats are, blah, blah, blah, and Kay is, blah blah, blah”. Done.
Do people indulge your fake questions in real life? More than once? I mean, jesus christ. Most people drop that in sixth grade. Don’t bother answering. I’m not really interested.
SiubhanDuinne
@Amir Khalid:
I think you nailed it there.
Clime Acts
@Kay:
Kay shows her true colors.
“Don’t ask me questions about my pet projects! It pisses me off so fuck you! I only want people to respond who think the Dem party and me are wonderful.”
I suggest cultivating a life outside politics, dear. Elected Dems don’t give a shit about you.
And be sure to email Cole how I should be banned because I blah blah blah, done. :D
Chyron HR
@Clime Acts:
It’s all kind of funny, becuase I think you seriously believe that making a public nuisance of yourself on a random blog is somehow “pushing [Obama] from the left” and “making him do it”.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
David Walker who for president. Nice. Sounds like American Elect is a conspiracy to make Romney look exciting by running someone even more bland against him.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Kay:
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Keep posting Kay. The louder and more frequently the known trolls squeal and protest, the closer you are to hitting a sensitive spot.
Clime Acts
@Chyron HR:
a “public” nuisance? to the miniscule readership of BJ?
Nah.
So basically nothing that’s written here matters anyway, is this your point?
If so, why does it matter if I annoy Obots here? None of it matters anyway.
Be consistent.
Also, too: Actually I pretty much agree that the typing here in general is meaningless and ineffectual. That’s a part of why I nag Kay about why she devotes so much of her llife to a political machine that could give two shits. But it hurts her fee fees so I should stop or something.
But I do think blogs like this afford one a good avenue for venting; that’s how I mostly think of it.
Clime Acts
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
Did someone tell her to stop?
Is she going to do an ABL GBCW?
Such tender flowers…
Boots Day
Thw weird thing is, Walker was the Comptroller General and head of the GAO, so he was without a doubt the head of a federal agency. One wonders why no one at Americans Elect noticed that until now.
catclub
@jibeaux: Is the filtering of robots by the AE site really so good that someone will not hijack the whole election?
Maybe it could be done but there is no interest.
I have heard of that IP addresses can be faked. It would be necessary to put voters in all the needed states.
nellcote
I always thought nominating Walker was the point of AE.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
So why do you get so upset when Kay attacks American Select and start whining about how she’s only attacking them because “it has something to do with the fact that its members and participants dare to organize politically in a way that doesn’t honor the calcified Democratic party”?
Actually, I know why — because you have no clue what American Select is or who’s behind it. All you know is that they’re anti-Obama, so you automatically favor them. Who cares who they are or why they’re forming a phony third party as long as you get to complain about how meeeaaannnnn Democrats are?
Chyron HR
The Clime Acts guide to leftist politics:
1) Put the “Don’t Re-Nig” bumper sticker on the left side of your car.
2) Victory!!
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Yawn. Yes, yes, voting is useless, politics are silly, there’s no point in paying attention to any of this, and why are you chicks getting so upset about mandatory vaginal ultrasounds?
Geez, you’d think that politics and politicians actually affect people’s lives or something, but Timmy knows better.
Tone In DC
Somebody send me a link for the pie filter, please. Before Derf/Clime adds another comment. He/she/it is worse than the BSODs in Windows.
Clime Acts
@Chyron HR:
Wow. Your suppressed racism is showing.
Kay
@Mnemosyne:
You’re giving WAY too much reading credit. I’d bet you ten bucks CA had no idea they were anti-Obama. I could write “I just bought these new shoes” and he’d deliver that same statement; “Democrats are, Kay is, something, something, ABL, Cole”.
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
Only uninformed ones. Methane is a stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, so lighting your farts on fire rather than letting them go into the air unmolested is a minor benefit. Livestock flatulence is a big enough contributor to global warming that people are seriously trying to figure out a better set of digestive flora to inoculate ruminants with in an attempt to cut back on atmospheric methane.
Clime Acts
@Tone In DC:
Poor, sensitive thing….
Kay
@Tone In DC:
I’m sorry. It’s my fault for engaging. I’m now going to leave you with this :)
Clime Acts
@Mnemosyne:
Actually, yes, on a purely numbers basis, our individual votes ARE meaningless.
Nevertheless, I dragged myself up the street and voted for your political crush a few weeks back.
Your point…?
Clime Acts
@Kay:
Ah, dear sweet naive Kay. Can’t handle anyone dissenting from her view of the world without attempting to entirely dismiss THEIR view of the world.
Telling…
Now run along and canvas someone or something. While the professional Dems laugh at you…cute.
Roger Moore
@catclub:
IIRC, you only get a vote after you’ve actually ponied up some cash, which seems like a reasonably effective way of keeping the bots out. Of course it also keeps out the vast majority of the kind of disaffected voters AE is trying to reach. How many people who are fed up with politics as usual are going to pay money to participate in a weird, unaccountable process like the one used by AE? Is it any wonder their top candidates still have fewer votes than either major party would get from a medium sized city?
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
I know, if only an extra 226 Democrats had stayed home in Minnesota, we’d have glamour boy Norm Coleman in the Senate instead of that useless wanker Al Franken. Why don’t people ever listen to you when you tell them that, in a close election, there’s no point in voting because it’s going to be decided by a couple of hundred votes, not, like, one vote?
Obviously, if it’s going to be a close election, we need to make sure as many Democrats stay home as possible because, really, they each only have one vote, so having hundreds of people with only one vote go to the polls is totally useless.
ETA: And having people like Kay actually run political campaigns to get better Democrats elected is even more useless, amirite? I mean, if Kay gets her guy elected, then that’s one less Republican elected, and if one less Republican is elected, that means the revolution gets delayed. There’s totally going to be a revolution, right, Timmy? I mean, it’s not like you’re just rooting for Republican rule because you like Republicans. I mean, what with you being on the left and all.
Clime Acts
@Roger Moore:
Exactly.
Which leads me back to my original question, which Kay claims has no relevance: Why are she and others of you spending time and effort and words on such an obviously irrelevant little project like AE?
Why do its participants need to be mocked and marginalized if they are meaningless to the outcome this fall?
Is she just being tribal for the fun of it?
Amir Khalid
@Roger Moore:
See, everyone? It’s much more enlightening to discuss setting one’s farts aflame than to discuss anything with Timmeh.
Kay
@Roger Moore:
I think they saw/see ballot access as leverage. They bought ballot access, assuming it had value. If it doesn’t, they’re still going to try to assign it value, and use that (perhaps) assigned value to pressure the two parties to gut the social safety net and preempt real campaign finance regulation, with the free market approach to campaign finance regulation.
Mnemosyne
@Clime Acts:
Why are they “obviously irrelevant”? They have millions of dollars in corporate money behind them and can put their candidate on every ballot in the US, which is more than the Green Party or the Constitution Party can say.
Let me guess, in 1992 you thought that Ross Perot was “obviously irrelevant” to the election so it was ridiculous for the media to even let him into the debates.
ETA: I bet that in 2004, Clime Acts was telling all of his friends that the Swiftboaters were “obviously irrelevant” to the election.
Tone In DC
@Amir Khalid:
True dat.
joes527
@Roger Moore: Hard to tell … I did a quick run at signing up to vote with a throwaway email address.
Standard “go to your email and click the link to complete your registration.”
Then you need to provide four (4!!) security questions and their answers. Fortunately for me, Pie is my mother’s maiden name, the name of my first pet, AND the name of the college I attended.
Then you get to a screen asking for real name – address and last four digits of your SSN. I didn’t think that they would understand that the last 4 digits of my SSN are PIE!, so I bailed at that point. Not sure it would have let me vote after submitting to the phish … but it looked possible.
In any case … it looked like it would be a bit of work to get bots through the verification process.
Omnes Omnibus
@joes527: Last four of SSN could be 3.142 or some other pi approximation.
Mnemosyne
@joes527:
It could be 7437 (PIES).
El Cid
Two things can be true at once:
Americans Elect can be a threat to a particular political party’s interests, therefore as an institution it will respond directly and via surrogates to neutralize or undercut and diminish the threat;
and
Americans Elect can be an upper-class power elite organized threat to the currently less pro-upper-class political party known as the Democrats, with access to ballots and the propaganda superstructure so as to spoil Democratic Party electoral success in favor of more rapidly anti-working-class Republican Party politics.
Maus
@Clime Acts:
So why are you so credulous?
I’m guessing it has something to do with the fact that you assume that everybody outside of “the system” is indeed unique and preferable.
Ron Paul voter?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@El Cid:
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Oh hush, you, with your hifaluten multivalent logic. Today is either National Binary Thinking Day, or it’s Not. In which case it is, so there. You don’t need a coin flip to know that Dualism wins either way.
Clime Acts
@Maus:
You don’t read much, do you?
Kay
The main interest in AE (outside of pundits) comes from election law-inclined people, from what I can tell, because it’s a new voting/delegate/campaign finance process.
They’re also the only people with the patience to slog through all the weeds.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
I think the price to participate in selecting the candidates was put there mostly as a filter to restrict the selection to keep out bots and weakly interested people. The problem is that they put the bar too high. They’re trying to target disaffected centrists, but their disaffection extends to not wanting to pony up some cash to try to work around the system. Instead, they’ve mostly attracted committed partisans who are upset their favorite isn’t going to win the nomination and are trying to get him in through the backdoor.
Maus
@Clime Acts: Because I apparently read (and think) more than you, I distrust new corrupt systems just as much as the entrenched corrupt systems.
Besides, you’re the one who thinks that remaining willfully ignorant about AE is required to maintain your idealism. Don’t read the articles if they make it more difficult to pretend that it’s a viable alternative.
“no one ever counters me except to say “you suck.” ”
Because you offer very little of substance to counter.
Steve
@Kay: You say you’ve only posted twice on AE. Isn’t that kind of lazy of you, considering it’s your obsession and pet project? Very unimpressive, I have to say.
Arclite
What I don’t understand is why AE isn’t electing a super liberal. Then they can siphon off Obama votes, and get a republican elected. Isn’t AE just moderate Republicanism?
Kay
@Steve:
I follow election law blogs and they follow AE, is how it went. It’s really right up their alley.
Endless process issues.
rikyrah
glad folks are keeping an eye on these lowlifes
Maus
@Arclite: But they’re “different”, they’re not like the Democrats, AE is working hard to elect the moderate centrists that America needs!
Kay
@Arclite:
They have three goals, or ideas. One is that good people are being shut out of the process, the second is that we have to cut entitlements, and the third is that campaign finance is out of control. I don’t believe them on campaign finance, though. I actually think campaign finance is an issue that will come nto its own as a genuine grass roots initiative, and I think they seek to head that off with “voluntary” compliance.
Roger Moore
@Arclite:
Because the people on the left who might be convinced to ditch the Democrats are already likely to vote Green. It’s more effective to steal votes in the squishy center; then the Republicans can run on motivating the base.
Clime Acts
@Roger Moore:
You actually believe those votes BELONG to the Democrats, don’ you?
RalfW
Imagine the bumper sticker. It’ll be great, and so persuasive:
A Humble Lurker
@Clime Acts:
Why was Mnem’s analogy not accurate? You SAID you would answer. You are a man/woman/thing of your word, aren’t you?
As for the rest of you, asking that question seems to always make him stop talking (incredibly) so why don’t you try asking him? I’ve asked him at least five times and he never answers. Maybe some of you will have better luck.
xian
Ratfuckers is concerned.
xian
Ratfuckers is concerned.