that’s one way to put it

Alex Tabbarok tweets:

Or, alternatively, that’s how a psychopath congratulates a colleague on the birth of a child.

Now, this is a favored libertarian mode, where you couch your “currency exchange uber alles” attitude in a kind of limp jokiness so that you can later claim that you don’t actually think a child’s worth is whatever can be monetarily wrung out of it. (See also: not a statistic, a hypothetical.) I’m sure if you put his feet to the fire, Alex Tabbarok would be willing to talk about, you know, inherent human dignity and that sort of junk. But his project, and the project of people like him, is to relentlessly deny that there is more to human existence than the accumulation of material goods. That such a perspective works to support the agenda of the corporatists who fund the libertarian project is, of course, merely coincidence.

Economic conservatives used to at least half-heartedly pretend that they believed in inherent human worth and goods aside from the economic. Now, in the era of “markets in everything,” they don’t even bother with pretense. And are a great many young “progressives” rushing to follow them, conned into believing that neoliberalism has a monopoly on truth and obsessed with being Very Serious People? You betcha.






107 replies
  1. 1
    samara morgan says:

    there is no neoliberalism or liberaltarianism or bleeding heart libertarianism.
    there are only brains with organic conservative tendency and brains with organic liberal tendency.
    read the book, dolt.

  2. 2
    Steve says:

    I vote that it’s funny, albeit in a geeky sort of way, and not psychopathic.

  3. 3
    Freddie deBoer says:

    I would argue that it’s exactly that excuse– “oh, they’re just geeking out/goofing/joking”– that makes it difficult to challenge this stuff. Bit by bit, they’re changing how our culture views human value.

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    Nemo_N says:

    But his project, and the project of people like him, is to relentlessly deny that there is more to human existence than the accumulation of material goods.

    I miss Star Trek.

  5. 5
    Joel says:

    “a Lannister always pays his debts”

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    Citizen Alan says:

    That reminds me of a comment I made at McMegan’s place before I got so disgusted with her sociopathy that I stopped reading her altogether: “The only reason I could ever imagine Megan McArdle having children is because a doctor informed her that there was a likelihood she might have kidney trouble in the future and she wanted to preemptively breed an organ donor.”

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    Roger Moore says:

    Or, alternatively, that’s how a psychopath congratulates a colleague on the birth of a child.

    He says [libertarian] economist, you say psychopath. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

  8. 8

    It’s good to have high-quality human capital in the world

    Joke or not, let’s parse this: High-Quality human capital.
    __
    A baby is just a baby. It has no inherent knowledge, or skills. It has no wealth of its own. It is incapable of rational choices, or even of any agency at all. So, in brutal capital terms, one healthy baby is just as good as any other (I suppose this makes babies ‘fungible’). The baby’s not even developed enough to test for any talents or IQ, so even that’s an unknown early on.
    __
    So, where’s this alleged “high quality” coming from, kimosabe? The answer is left as an exercise to the reader.
    __
    This is exactly the mindset that needs to be extinguished in this, the age of human capital.

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    Forum Transmitted Disease says:

    “Your child is so beautiful!”

    – how normal people do it.

    “Congratulations, economic analyst Jones! Your progeny, since it is white and male, should produce over five million dollars worth of revenue during its lifetime! Smart investment, old boy!”

    – how a sociopath who should have been flushed down the toilet at birth does it.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Freddie deBoer: no “they” are not. they are just reinforcing the existing conservative worldview.
    makers vs takers.

    so boring. we finally get rid of the serial Kain “dude. do conservatives sukk or wut?” posts, and you pop up to do the same thing.
    libertarians in contemporary America are crypto-conservatives.
    they all have Republican Brains.

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    samara morgan says:

    you know juicers….we all KNOW conservatives, libertarians and republicans sukk.
    the question is WHY do they sukk, and WHAT can sapient liberals do about it?

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    barath says:

    I’m sure they always claim they’re joking. Just like this Larry Summers memo that I only learned of recently, from his time at the world bank:

    1) The measurements of the costs of health impairing pollution depends on the foregone earnings from increased morbidity and mortality. From this point of view a given amount of health impairing pollution should be done in the country with the lowest cost, which will be the country with the lowest wages. I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.
    __
    2) The costs of pollution are likely to be non-linear as the initial increments of pollution probably have very low cost. I’ve always thought that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly UNDER-polluted, their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City. Only the lamentable facts that so much pollution is generated by non-tradable industries (transport, electrical generation) and that the unit transport costs of solid waste are so high prevent world welfare enhancing trade in air pollution and waste.

    He was only joking, don’t you see. And he didn’t write it, he just signed it. Just some fun among friends.

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    dollared says:

    Nice call, Freddie. Of course it’s high quality human capital, because it comes from the right class of people. Libertarians are monarchists. Always have been.

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    PeakVT says:

    There’s some background on the mentality displayed above here, though I don’t think the poster or most of the commentors understand the ultimate goal of getting people to accept such “analysis”.

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    samara morgan says:

    and freddie, cher. the only sapients that don’t dig President Obama are humans with republican brains.
    like you.
    ;)

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    Tehanu says:

    The term “human capital management” was introduced at my workplace a couple of years back when they put in a new system using the term instead of “personnel,” obtained from a well-known business software company. The name of this company … well, I wouldn’t want to be accused of prejudice or anything … let’s just say it’s an acronym that spells out a word meaning “idiot sucker” … and it’s based in the former Third Reich. (Sorry about Godwining…)

    anyhoo … as if “Human Resources” wasn’t bad enough; I’m just surprised they don’t go all the way and call it “Serf Management.”

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    Catsy says:

    @samara morgan: I do not want to contemplate the kind of intoxication or brain damage it would take in order for this word salad to make sense.

    Shoo, little girl. Grownups need to talk now.

    Edit: Oh, I see now. Toko Loko has a new crush to stalk and troll.

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    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick says:

    ambivalent.

    i can see the joke aspect, especially against the expectation over slightly forced and over-put-on gush that greets a new parent. the bubble where they show people pictures because people are always saying nice things when you show them pictures, even a jerk like me will force out some compliments in such a situation…

    so as an inside joke, a joke levered on the fulcrum of the dehumanizing nature of economics itself, and meant to draw contrast with the expectation, ok…

    but i see your point that economists, and the people who employ them to rationalize the dreams of the accountants, within the boundaries set forth by the legal team, and in concert with what the advertising, marketing, and technical teams say is possible, sometimes ought to play it straight and hammer even the most gestalt cliches on such an occasion.

    just to impress people with the bleeding heart side they are sure to possess, outside of work, of course.

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    samara morgan says:

    @dollared: no, what freddie said is stupid.

    Bit by bit, they’re changing how our culture views human value.

    “they” are not changing our culture. “they” are merely reinforcing the takers vs makers worldview.

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    Martin says:

    @Judas Escargot, Your Postmodern Neighbor:

    So, where’s this alleged “high quality” coming from, kimosabe? The answer is left as an exercise to the reader.

    I very strongly suspect it was a joke, and the ‘high quality’ as a compliment to the new parent. I suspect it was a joke, because I make jokes like that all the time with my kids. And because it sounds exactly like the kind of thing Colbert would say in character to satirize how economists view the world – which would be a funny inside joke between economists. Much in the same way that physicists joke about perfectly frictionless objects of uniform mass and density. I’m pretty sure I’ve even made a congratulatory birth joke along those lines somewhere in my past.

    To my credit, I’m usually solid on my delivery.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Catsy: I’m making sense to people above a certain IQ gradient….which doesn’t include you i suppose.
    ;)
    again, Firebagger Freddie is captain obvious here. yes libertarians sukk. WHY do they sukk, and WHAT can be done about it?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Tehanu:

    I’m just surprised they don’t go all the way and call it “Serf Management.”

    “Serf” is such a loaded word. That’s “Permanent Agricultural Worker”, thank you very much.

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    Culture of Truth says:

    Who doesn’t enjoy some “lean finely textured beef”

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    Martin says:

    @Marcellus Shale, Public Dick:

    i can see the joke aspect, especially against the expectation over slightly forced and over-put-on gush that greets a new parent. the bubble where they show people pictures because people are always saying nice things when you show them pictures, even a jerk like me will force out some compliments in such a situation…

    And this is the hazard of social media. A comment in a very specific, somewhat private context gets reduced to a 140 character clever quip where all context has been stripped clean. You might as well pull single lines out of movie scripts and hold them up as metrics against which Hollywood should be measured as to their influence supporting or pushing against social biases.

    Sorry, but it’s bullshit. It’s even worse than nitpicking, where at least some sense of context can be drawn out. Do we really want a world where even bad inside jokes among colleagues attract public scorn?

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    Bob2 says:

    Granted, you don’t read Tabarrok regularly.

    Let’s just say he’s similar to Doug Mataconis, though the implied comparison of Cowen to Joyner would be somewhat unfair.

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    Warren Terra says:

    Oh, for heavens sake. It wasn’t a psychopathic comment, it was a (perhaps awkward) humorous expression of congratulations on the joyous occasion, one tailored to convey the speaker’s identity, or perhaps to convey a sense of community in the shared identity of the speaker and the parent. If the speaker had been a chemist they might have made some equally awkward statement about the fantastic molecules the parent had produced; this wouldn’t mean they were dehumanizing the infant. A geneticist might comment on the great genes; this shouldn’t be taken as a eugenicist desire to harm other, lesser children. And an MBA might comment on the exciting new joint venture or investment or something.

    You’re just misunderstanding and wildly overreacting. You ought to update, perhaps to apologize.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @samara morgan:

    “they” are not changing our culture. “they” are merely reinforcing the takers vs makers worldview.

    But helping to reinforce one worldview over another changes our culture. That’s the point. It may not change your mind or mine, but if it manages to convince some people to accept the Randian takers vs. makers worldview, it has changed and corrupted our culture. Changing people’s worldviews is how you change culture.

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    dedc79 says:

    It’s not just a libertarian mode, it’s an economist mode, and even some liberal/progressive economists slip into it. Take a look at Matt Yglesias’ horrific debate (actually, he got so destroyed by TNC, it’s not even fair to call it a debate) about the “tragedy” of the Civil war.

  29. 29
    samara morgan says:

    i just think firebagger freddie should go to FDL where he belongs.
    this is a truly boring observation.
    either it was a joke or a marker for the glibertarian overclass.
    who cares?
    i am still curious about who freddie is voting for.

    I am a citizen in a democracy. It’s my duty to support politicians that advance my interests and that I believe work for the betterment of our country. I am asking sincerely and openly: given that I have the commitments I’ve laid out above, how can I possibly support Barack Obama? He bragged– bragged– yesterday that this deal would be lowering non-defense discretionary spending to its lowest levels since the Eisenhower administration. That is, he bragged about his role in ending essential government programs that defend our environment, educate our children, provide crucial scientific and medical research, and in a myriad of ways contribute to the flourishing of our country and our people. At some point, the charade can’t continue. This is not merely a person who doesn’t deserve my support. This is a person who is unequivocally and demonstrably not an American liberal, and someone who has no interest in defending the historical constituencies or commitments of the Democratic party.

    if freddie is credulous enough to believe there is some sort of differentiation between “neo-liberals” and libertarians, he looks like a Romney voter to me.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Martin:

    What you said. This post smacks of sawdust-sawing.

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    Catsy says:

    @samara morgan: Ah yes, the good old “you’re just not smart enough to understand me” chestnut. The time-honored deflection of dysfunctional aspies and word salad vendors who blame their inability to communicate effectively on anyone but themselves.

    Guess what, sweetness: if nobody else can grok what the fuck you’re talking about or what point you’re trying to make on a regular basis, you might just want to find the common denominator there and give it a good think.

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    Some Loser says:

    @barath:

    I wonder does evil come naturally to people like, or is it more like a buildup?

  33. 33
    samara morgan says:

    @Steeplejack: agree 100%. is just the “don’t libertarians/economists sukk?” version of sawdust sawing.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Catsy: i think you should read the Mooney book. then you would understand a lot of what I have been saying.
    Chris is a much better layman’s writer than i am.
    ;)

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    samara morgan says:

    @Some Loser: some of us work at it.
    ;)

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    Catsy says:

    @samara morgan: Watch out, Freddie. Loko Matoko has trained her sights on you and would like to subject you to the ritual hazing for new FP’ers, otherwise known as the “who the fuck is this crazy, borderline-illiterate woman and why is she trolling my threads?” phase of acclimation to posting on B-J.

    Now please submit a three-page essay detailing your voting patterns, crypto-libertarian views and your media outreach plan for ensuring that all of your readers are doing everything possible to avert the coming Republican apocalypse.

  37. 37
    Martin says:

    @samara morgan:

    Chris is a much better layman’s writer than i am.

    You mean he uses punctuation and other radical forms of self-expression? Good to know.

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    samara morgan says:

    hahaha
    freddie is on the masthead now.
    hey Cole, is BJ going to be firebagger central naow?

    isn’t this rather ill-advised in the run up to the election?

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    PeakVT says:

    @dedc79: Yglesias is not an economist. He’s playing one these days because he’s staked out a libertarian-ish position for marketing purposes.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Martin: exactly, Martin, cher.
    ;)

  41. 41

    […] how Freddie deBoer at Balloon Juice interprets that tweet: Or, alternatively, that’s how a psychopath congratulates a colleague on the birth of a child. […]

  42. 42
    samara morgan says:

    @PeakVT: what is the difference between an economist and a libertarian?

  43. 43
    Corbin Dallas Multipass says:

    It’s so good to have more high quality blog capital in the world.

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    Mark S. says:

    Are we actually debating whether this was a joke? Lighten up, Francis.

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    Nylund says:

    @Judas Escargot, Your Postmodern Neighbor: I had a similar thought…Human capital includes things like education, experience, intelligence, etc. Really, the only one that a baby could even have is some sort of inherited innate ability.

    In essence, he’s saying (in econospeak), “Congratulations on having a smart baby.” If anything, it’s more of a compliment to the parent, hinting that you think the parents are intelligent and that this intelligence has been inherited by the child. Or, I guess, it could be an expression of faith that the parents will raise the child that will foster intelligence, education, etc.

    I think it’s kind of a lame comment. If anything, it suggests poor social sills in a way that reminds me more of being autistic than being a psychopath. But I’m not really seeing how it relates to materialism, etc.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Catsy: freddie and i are Old Friends. we go back to Culture 11 and TAS….when he actually WAS a liberal.
    He has the same problem with me that Kain had….i knew them before they tried to make it as “centrist” bloggers.
    consider this post. content free, non?
    sawdust sawing for page clicks.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Mark S.: not just a joke, a joke that is DESTROYING OUR CULTURE!

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    giltay says:

    On the one hand, this is (to me) obviously professional humour. On the other hand, it seems that Poe’s Law is at work here.

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    Mary says:

    Puts me in mind of my law school graduation, where the professor chosen to give the address told us to go forth and practice random acts of social welfare maximization.

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    aimai says:

    Its the phrase “high quality” that gives the thing its horrible, eugenicist vibe. I come from a long line of geeks and I can easily imagine a Biologist congratulating another biologist on the “successful evolution of your single celled contribution…” or some kind of phyisist or chemist version. And actually, my grandfather was an economist so there are lots of economist ones I could think of. But this is creepy and there’s no way to excuse it with the nerd excuse. Because by definition having a baby is special only in the sense that its special to the parents. All babies are alike. Most people in the world were babies once, and will reproduce in their turn. So to praise the baby as a specifically choice addition to the world in a way that explicilty devalues all the others is…well… sick. If you looked a a roomful of your colleagues, all of whom have had or will have babies, and said to Joe PhD. “Nice that you have produced some high value human capital” the implication is that the rest of them have produced something of low value. There’s no way of sugarcoating it. Its not funny. Babies are never of low value. Even if you accept the geekiness of calling a human being a piece of human capital they are all of equal value.

    aimai

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    samara morgan says:

    @giltay:

    Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist Economist Libertarian in such a way that someone won’t mistake it for the genuine article.

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    John M. Burt says:

    I suppose it’s better than having your baby called “future collateral damage”.

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    samara morgan says:

    @aimai: SRSLY? you are isomorphic with freddie, right?
    PROFESSIONAL INSIDER HUMOR IS DESTROYING OUR CULTURE!

    oh, thass right. you are an officer in the BJ Moral Scold Police.
    ;)

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    scav says:

    Ma petite chienne des winkies loco, watching your delicate manipulation of logic and erudition brings nothing to mind so much as observing one of your vaunted ponies sitting down to a formal meal at Downton Abbey and wrestling with the fish knives and choice of forchettes.

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    liberal says:

    @PeakVT:
    What’s an economist? Someone who missed a multi-trillion dollar housing bubble?

  57. 57
    Punchy says:

    Looks like a tickle fight has broken out in the comments section

  58. 58
    liberal says:

    @Catsy:
    Wait till she starts making her especially astute observations about baseganking.

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    samara morgan says:

    @scav: was that meant for me? because taffy had better manners (and likely better breeding) than you, and he used to come into the house every halloween in costume.

    taffy was a welshman, taffy was a thief…

    and he could jump his own height, too.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Punchy: well I’m laffin’.
    ;)

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    THE says:

    Yeah. Put me down for insider economics joke.
    The whole point about “human capital” being, that it’s the non-quantifiable, non-monetary part of an investment.
    Typically refers to education or training or experience.
    I’m investing in human capital if I teach a population to read.
    Or if I improve the quality of health care.

    It’s just a way of saying the kid’s gonna be l33t.

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    samara morgan says:

    @liberal:

    baseganking n. defn. what Sarah Palin did to the conservative base in the run up to the 2012 republican primaries.

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    scav says:

    loco, given that all your superior breeding and ancestry has clearly been in-, me voci un-surprised at the result displayed in technicolor before us.

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    samara morgan says:

    @aimai: c’mon aimai….take the bait.
    its so delicious.
    The Republican Brain is to conservatives what The Bell Curve was to blacks.
    ;)

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    samara morgan says:

    @scav: ooooh, treaded on a nerve did i?

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    giltay says:

    @aimai: I’m not sure the creepiness is about implying that the baby is special. I mean, if you say, “Here’s a future president,” to new parents, you’re implying that other kids won’t be president, but we kind of accept that sort of hyperbole when talking about babies.

    I think it’s “human capital” that bugs me, because it sounds too much like slavery. Forget what I said about a “professional joke”; here the professional jargon (if that’s what it is) is creepy in and of itself.

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    Capri says:

    @Freddie deBoer:
    There’s nothing new about this.

    In the sixties you could buy cards for new parents congratulating them on their new tax deduction.

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    Warren Terra says:

    Samara, you’ve apparently made 22 of the 67 comments in this thread, and – to be generous – all but a couple of them were a waste of everyone’s time, most especially yours. Please fnck off and stop trying to ruin the blog for everyone else.

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    samara morgan says:

    @giltay: its professional jargon. like i sometimes say “cool to the chromosomes”. human capital is a pretty stand term in economics.
    and i don’t see anything extra-creepy about it.

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    scav says:

    @samara morgan: your repub roots are showing despite your botox rictus grin: your’e in manic projection mode. I’m a mutt.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: I’m just ruining freddies post, not the blog.
    go comment on another post, why dontcha.
    or mail Cole to ban me.
    idc which.

    may i remind you that Frontpager Freddie said this?

    I am a citizen in a democracy. It’s my duty to support politicians that advance my interests and that I believe work for the betterment of our country. I am asking sincerely and openly: given that I have the commitments I’ve laid out above, how can I possibly support Barack Obama? He bragged—bragged—yesterday that this deal would be lowering non-defense discretionary spending to its lowest levels since the Eisenhower administration. That is, he bragged about his role in ending essential government programs that defend our environment, educate our children, provide crucial scientific and medical research, and in a myriad of ways contribute to the flourishing of our country and our people. At some point, the charade can’t continue. This is not merely a person who doesn’t deserve my support. This is a person who is unequivocally and demonstrably not an American liberal, and someone who has no interest in defending the historical constituencies or commitments of the Democratic party.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    I think academics are just awkward people; I dated a biologist Ph.D. candidate who talked about MHC all the time when explaining how we met

    It was creepy but she wasn’t a psychopath, and I’ve dated a psychopath before, trust me

    Another thing I learned from that experience was how biologists use the concept of body ratios to self-abuse

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    samara morgan says:

    @scav: i meant you seem bitterly resentful of the fact i had ponies growing up.
    tell you what ….our hunt is having a point to point this season. you can come and hilltop as my guest, kk?
    ;)

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    scav says:

    @AA+ Bonds: Now I’m trying to understand how one meets someone over MHC, let alone wondering what it is and how (or if) one can trip over it in an introductory manner. Totally outing myself, I could probably work up an entire conversation about it and I haven’t a solitary clue what it’s about. I’m all over socially awkward wavelengths — psychopaths I’ll leave to you, if you don’t mind.

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    Warren Terra says:

    @samara morgan:
    I’ve never emailed a blog proprietor to ask them to ban someone in my life, I won’t start for you.

    But I would ask you to moderate your behavior: if you hate this blogger so much, why not try ignoring their existence? Or making one, fairly pithy comment about how horrible they are, to enlighten anyone entering the thread, and then ignore the thread? Because I could totally give a shit about De Boer, but your activity in this thread looks insane and winds up making me less likely to believe criticism of him, not more so.

    And while I’d never email a front-pager asking them to ban someone, I’m pretty sure I have made similar requests in comments, publicly (for truly vile racism, if nothing else). And I’d argue that if John reads this thread it would be entirely appropriate for him to ban you, or to email you asking you to moderate your behavior lest you be banned.

    It’s a fantastic world out there, and a big internet. Why waste your time writing dozens of comments hating on De Boer? Why not go find something to celebrate?

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    Warren Terra says:

    @scav:
    The search terms you want are “MHC T-Shirt” (not in quotes; getting this search result, for instance). It’s a fun story. I doubt AA+ Bonds’s friend was being entirely serious.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @scav:

    MHC genes are genes that determine what your body’s immune system responds to through their role in creating molecules on the surface of your body’s cells (the complex known as “MHC”)

    In some animals they are a factor in sexual selection because the result of two animals with differences in these genes creates offspring more likely to survive disease; the mediation is probably through smell, where animals will respond more positively to potential mates whose sweat “smells” unrelated to them

    There are arguments and some studies suggesting that humans may choose mates the same way

    So basically what she was saying is that though we are both of largely Irish descent, her attraction to me indicated that we were not committing some form of three-times-removed incest

    Like I said, a little creepy

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Warren Terra:

    I doubt AA+ Bonds’s friend was being entirely serious.

    With her and this stuff it was always I’m-joking-but-no-seriously; biologists are predictably obsessed with mate choice to the extent that I would rather lie face down in a bathtub filled with lye than see this ‘Losing Control’ movie

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: de Bore is a symptom of a sickness on the liberal side. we are so desperate to believe that conservatives are just like us….
    that they are persuadable and can respond to reason and logic.
    THIS is who de Bore is.

    how can I possibly support Barack Obama?

    the rest is just sawing sawdust for page clicks.
    it offends me.

    this election is very important…the other front pagers are putting out quality analysis.
    freddie is just posting crap.
    a waste of space-time.

    im not going to weasel word around it. we are not the same.

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    Martin says:

    @samara morgan:

    I’m just ruining freddies post, not the blog.

    No, you’re really ruining the blog. Really.

    And if you’re trying to make a commentary against any of the FPers you stalk, all you really end up doing is making us instinctively sympathetic to them no matter what they write. Even Dick Cheney doesn’t deserve to be stalked.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    samara morgan is pretty awesome

    hi samara~~~~~ I really wanted to read what you had to say about Mohammed Merah and also you had recommended some Middle East blogs but I lost my bloglist and would like to know what you read nowadays if it is not too much trouble

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    Warren Terra says:

    @samara morgan:
    It may surprise you to learn that when I suggested that you should moderate your response to De Boer and seek perspective elsewhere I wasn’t asking you to reprise to me your reasons for disliking De Boer.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: and why wouldn’t i do this?
    it worked to get rid of Kain.
    i hate Coles kumbayah politics.
    its a recipe for fail.

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    Warren Terra says:

    @samara morgan:
    If you are pledging yourself to break the blog whenever De Boer appears, and claiming Kain’s scalp from similar practices, you’re engaging in extortion and should be banned.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Warren Terra:

    100% agree, that is the meaning I intended, and samara will presumably take it as the compliment that it is

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: idc. this is a combox on the internets.
    i can say what i please, how i please, until I’m banned.

    @AA+ Bonds: Merah was a susceptible. his version of islam just gave him a structure for slaughter….exactly like the asian christian shooter at the christian acupuncture school.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: again, I’m not “breaking the blog”.
    im ruining freddies posts by deconstructing what crap they are.
    and that is what i did with Kain.
    also, i linked Sully all my Kain deconstructions so he would see them.
    that is not extortion–it is free speech.
    if Kain and freddie can’t defend their ideas, not my problem.

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    samara morgan says:

    @AA+ Bonds: and I’m sorry, ill have to hook you up later. I’m on my new machine and i haven’t carried over my bookmarks yet.

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    scav says:

    @AA+ Bonds: Well, I clearly have just been hanging around with too many on the plant/vegetation end of biology. Lots of hanging in bars but usually drinking solidly and not shoving noses into strangers’ armpits (which would be an unusual non-verbal pickup line, one much admit). Furthermore, after weeks of bar- and fieldwork, showers were the most anticipated activity by all concerned, so all the discussion of krumholtz and sampling strategies had blasted some foundational genetic screening opportunities. The whole inbreeding issue was handled by recognizing your cousins as best I could tell. The mating patterns of Coastal Live Oaks is bizarre enough to calm one’s fears considerably.

    Loco’s pretty much a weird hybrid of princess Di and La Palinista with a myna-bird mastery of current hip theory thrown into the word-salad-spinner voice-box. mildly amusing if one has the time, inclination or alcohol-content.

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    PeakVT says:

    @liberal: So you don’t think Baker is an economist?

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @samara morgan:

    No prob, thanx so much and I will keep an eye out

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    Catsy says:

    @samara morgan:

    i can say what i please, how i please, until I’m banned.

    It is these comments of samara’s that I find most revealing. When confronted on her bad behavior and asked (far more politely than she deserved) to moderate it, her response is to assert that she can do what she wants until someone with power to do so stops her.

    Utterly absent from this or any of her other similar comments is any evidence she’s aware that there is a difference between that which we are capable of getting away with, and that which is right, correct, proper, ethical, moral, or the least bit admirable.

    She’s an obsessive stalker. She explicitly and openly admits to being a troll intent on deliberately disrupting discussion, and this isn’t even the first time she’s done so. I really don’t understand why she hasn’t been permabanned a long time ago.

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    goblue72 says:

    Do Not Feed the gas huffing troll.

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    THE says:

    Economic conservatives used to at least half-heartedly pretend that they believed in inherent human worth and goods aside from the economic. Now, in the era of “markets in everything,” they don’t even bother with pretense. And are a great many young “progressives” rushing to follow them,

    Nah. You exaggerate. And you miss an important dimension: If investment in human welfare has positive economic effects as one of the consequences, why not capitalize on that fact to promote the reform?

    Because when people calculate the cost of a policy, if the accounting is to be done properly, you need to consider the positive returns in order to discount them in the cost-benefit analysis.

    It does make a difference that investment in education or healthcare cost money, but also raises the GDP because of human capital effects.

    So such expenditures might even be a huge bargain in the long run. And that strengthens the case for reform.

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    Gex says:

    @Catsy: Funny that inability to distinguish between what one can do and what might be appropriate or good to do puts her right in with the libertarians she hates.

    FREEDOM!

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    fasteddie9318 says:

    @Judas Escargot, Your Postmodern Neighbor:

    So, where’s this alleged “high quality” coming from, kimosabe?

    Jeebus? Did I get that right?

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    mellowjohn says:

    it’s probably happened elsewhere as well, but the chicago public schools system has renamed the human resources department as “the department of human capital.”

    i feel so honored to be capitalized.

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    Ozymandias, King of Ants says:

    @Judas Escargot, Your Postmodern Neighbor: Can “Babies are fungible” be a new tag? Please.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Catsy: jaysus h keeyrist inna handcart, all freddie has to do is refute me.
    here is a PSA for you– he can’t.
    this post is sawdust sawing for page clicks and I’m not the only one that said that.
    and he ABSOLUTELY said he wasn’t voting for Obama.
    but he can’t say exactly why.
    /sneer
    and then you antique assclowns all get up in my grill about punctuation and manners…wtf?
    freddie left the thread when people started questioning his thesis and left catsy and WT to defend him against my rudeness in calling him out.
    the guy is an uberwimp– he runs like a scalded cat when his crap posts or his intransigent firebaggery comes under attack.
    Aren’t there ENOUGH firebagging emo-prog trolls on drive by here? do we REALLY have to have one on the frontage?

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    samara morgan says:

    @Catsy: Aren’t there ENOUGH firebagging emo-prog trolls on drive-by here? do we REALLY have to have one on the frontpage?

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    samara morgan says:

    @scav: i have read Mooney’s new book.
    Have you?

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    samara morgan says:

    @Martin: again martin. I’m not stalking, I’m deconstructing crap…. and making sure sully sees the deconstruction so they don’t get linked from him.
    idc if you doan like meh.
    the system is WAI.
    ;)

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    samara morgan says:

    @scav:

    hybrid of princess Di

    there is that class envy again, scav.
    praps you should see a therapist.
    ;)

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    Warren Terra says:

    @samara morgan:
    Actually, if you’d been paying attention to the thread rather than to your personal vendetta, you might have noticed that my first appearance in the thread was to call the post asinine and recommend an apology. I did eventually comment an your behavior, but that was to defend the blog from your depredations, not to defend Freddie. As you say, Freddie wasn’t participating in the thread anyway, and your tirades against him are diluted by their quantity and debased by their unhinged quality such that while they can destroy threads by effect of sheer volume no one is taking their content seriously – and thus their target needs no defenders against them.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: lolwut? catsy and scav sprang to freddies defense.
    gex and liberal chimed in.
    like i said, the blog is in no danger– only freddie and Kain.
    And why should i change my behavior?
    it works.
    im not unhinged– I’m just pissed at how stupid you cudlips are.
    giving attaboiz to a firebagger, lol.

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    samara morgan says:

    @Warren Terra: AND at least half my comments were responses to people attacking me for being mean to freddie….like you.
    this is the interwebz.
    if freddie can’t defend his ideas he should GTFO.

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