Really Dumb Marketing Idea (Open Thread)

Really, Living Social and Yacht StarShip?

I eagerly await the Donner Party-themed mountain trek and picnic, the Hindenburg zeppelin tour, etc.

(Please consider this an open thread.)

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  1. 1
    dr.hypercube says:

    “Five passengers set sail that day/For a three hour tour…”

  2. 2
    Woodrowfan says:

    Even better, it’s a “three hour cruise”!!! (sings “a three hour cruise”) If there’s a Hollywood starlet, a professor and a Kansas farm girl onboard I am getting off before the cruise begins…

  3. 3
    Martin says:

    I eagerly await the Donner Party-themed mountain trek and picnic

    I packed three arms and a foot. Who’s bringing drinks?

  4. 4

    A Three… Hour… Tour.

  5. 5
    canuckistani says:

    Damn you, dr.hypercube for a) stealing my joke and b) saddling me with a killer earworm.

  6. 6
    yet another jeff says:

    It’s a three hour cruise…what could possibly go wrong? Right, Skipper?

  7. 7
    yet another jeff says:

    @yet another jeff: @canuckistani:

    What he said…

  8. 8

    How about a Jonestown Cocktail Hour? Everyone would be dying to go to that one, eh?

  9. 9
    lamh35 says:

    I’m still not a fan of David Frum but you can sometimes find agreement with people you dislike…rarely, but sometimes. Frum’s reasoning kinda reflects some of my own in regards to the possibility that SCOTUS strikes down ACA still being a win/win situation for the White House

    Yglesias Award Nominee

    “[If the ACA is struck down,] Republicans will need a Plan B. Unfortunately, they wasted the past three years that might have developed one. If the Supreme Court doesn’t rescue them from themselves, they’ll be heading into this election season arguing, in effect, Our plan is to take away the government-mandated insurance of millions of people under age 65, and replace it with nothing. And we’re doing this so as to better protect the government-mandated insurance of people over 65—until we begin to phase out that insurance, too, for everybody now under 55,” – David Frum.

  10. 10
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @Martin:

    I packed three arms and a foot.

    Blenderella will bring her Salt Pig.

  11. 11
    Martin says:

    Overquoting, since SCOTUSblog is being slow to load:

    The dilemma could be captured perfectly in two separate comments by Justice Antonin Scalia — first, that it “just couldn’t be right” that all of the myriad provisions of the law unrelated to the mandate had to fall with it, but, later, that if the Court were to strike out the mandate, “then the statute’s gone.” Much of the lively argument focused on just what role the Court would more properly perform in trying to sort out the consequences of nullifying the requirement that virtually every American have health insurance by the year 2014.
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    The Wednesday morning argument offered the Court three mutually exclusive options: strike down all of the Affordable Care Act along with the mandate (the challengers’ position), strike down only two core changes in the way the health insurance system works (the government position), and strike down nothing but the mandate (the position of a Court-appointed lawyer). Not one seemed to be especially appealing to members of the Court, and each of the three lawyers who came to the lectern faced tough and often skeptical questioning, from across the bench.
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    Congress’s capacity to react in a sensible way also came into some question, particularly from Justice Scalia and, in a way, from Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, both of whom seemed to harbor doubts that the lawmakers would be up to the task of working out a new health care law if this one failed, either totally or partially. Scalia noted the problems in the filibuster-prone Senate. Kennedy wondered whether expecting Congress to perform was a reference to “the real Congress or the hypothetical Congress.”

  12. 12
    Betty Cracker says:

    @lamh35: While Frum is right that this would be the GOP’s essential position, they’ll lie about it, of course. They’ll try to sell the “we’ll allow consumers to purchase plans across state lines” magic beans. Of course, the president would then have the opportunity to slam their standard-bearer over the head on the issue during the debates, and since it’s going to be Romney, he’s in an especially shitty position for healthcare to become a big issue again. In that way it could redound to Obama’s credit.

  13. 13
    Martin says:

    How cool would it be if SCOTUS found the mandate to be unconstitutional but allowed it to stand because the GOP fucked Congress so hard that the Justices couldn’t envision a way for legislators to pass an alternative.

  14. 14
    ...now I try to be amused says:

    The Hindenburg shindig should include a jumbo wiener roast.

  15. 15
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @lamh35:

    [If the ACA is struck down,] Republicans will need a Plan B.

     
    Republicans have the Scalia Plan: close the Emergency Rooms to anybody expect paying customers.
     
    And over on the emoprog Left, they have a much better plan: let it all fall apart, and then Nach Aetna uns.

  16. 16
    Gin & Tonic says:

    The way the “previous post” and “next post” are showing up in the post header is dumb. The previous post is in a div of its own, it seems, and then the current post and next post bump against each other confusingly in the same div.

  17. 17
    Roger Moore says:

    I eagerly await the Donner Party-themed mountain trek and picnic, the Hindenburg zeppelin tour, etc.

    There’s always the Alferd Packer Restaurant and Grill at the University of Colorado. Packer may not be as famous as the Donners, but it is a restaurant named after an infamous cannibal.

  18. 18
    dmsilev says:

    So, let me guess: The premium passengers get to egress at their leisure, while the poor saps who only paid for …economy are locked below decks and have to break the gates down once it’s time to leave.

  19. 19
    Amir Khalid says:

    “Captain, we set off two hours and fifty minutes ago. Isn’t it time we were heading back?”
    “Back?”

  20. 20
    Hill Dweller says:

    If the Republican obstructionism in congress, and the Justices’ subsequent belief that congressional ineptitude would prevent any new health care legislaition, compels the SCOTUS to keep the mandate, I am going to enjoy the wingers’ bitter tears.

  21. 21
    c u n d gulag says:

    I’m waiting for the Jim Jones Kool Aid tasting tour!

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  23. 23
    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick says:

    @Woodrowfan:

    with the professor, the farm girl, or the starlet?

    and its a shame you stereotype farm girls and starlets like that.

  24. 24
    Calouste says:

    I guess Cape Canaveral must be hitting themselves that they missed out on the potential of the Challenger Tribute Flights.

  25. 25
    NotMax says:

    Mitt morphing into the Bizarro Sally Field (“You don’t like me. You really, really don’t like me.”).

    Romney’s negatives hit new high, poll finds

  26. 26
    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    this is why i haven’t lost hope in the scrotus.

    they know that striking down the law, and making health care the central issue in this campaign kills the gop.

    any bump they might get from the unemployed and under-employeed, those who are “consulting”, etc, goes bye-bye when you stack health plans, election-style.

  27. 27
    BGinCHI says:

    I guess none of these people read George Saunders.

  28. 28
    Maude says:

    If the cruise comes with an iceberg, it will last less than three hours.
    Nice of them to make money off of a true tragedy.

  29. 29
    jibeaux says:

    @Martin: I think the decision would have to say something else.

  30. 30
    redshirt says:

    Heaven’s Gate Comet Watching Tours!

    Sponsored by Nike.

  31. 31
    Woodrowfan says:

    I’m waiting for the Lusitania memorial cruise. it only takes about 20 minutes.

  32. 32
    jibeaux says:

    @Martin: Oh yes. I don’t doubt SCOTUSblog, but I read somewhere that “all or nothing” was also the government’s position — that the mandate isn’t in there for shits and giggles, it’s in there because the whole things is interconnected, there’s no severability clause for a reason, etc. Is that not actually their position?

  33. 33
    artemis says:

    friend of mine and his partner are hosting a dinner party on 4/13 recreating the first class 12 course menu that was served on the last night. they have to get the place settings from a service. there are something like 18 or 20 different utensils PER person and I forget how many wine glasses.

    you can read more about the last dinner here…
    http://www.amazon.com/Last-Din.....078686303X

  34. 34
    danielx says:

    Does this cruise include a string quartet playing “Nearer My God to Thee?”

    Speaking of string quartets and open threads…I attended some bizarre concerts in my misspent youth, both in terms of billing and venue. As far as my memory serves, the strangest on both counts was one at a 5/8 mile dirt track in Jeffersonville, Indiana (across the Ohio from Louisville) in late July – meaning it was roughly as hot as the surface of Venus. The concert bill was Peter Frampton’s Camel, John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra and the headliner – ta-da! – was Johnny Winter in his hard core rock and roll phase. Anything stranger?

  35. 35

    I’d really like to know what kind of food they’ll be having when they do the Donner Party Mountain Trek…

  36. 36
    danimal says:

    I’ve been trying to come up with a disaster-related snarky comment, but with limited success. For example:

    “Amelia Earhardt World Tours”
    “Charles Manson Publicity Trip”
    “Hindenberg Air”
    “The 2012 Republican Presidential Nominees”

  37. 37
    Argive says:

    Next: the Bhopal Memorial Oxygen Bar! Be sure to try a different inhaling station each time, as you never know which one might be secretly loaded with toxic gas! Then we can go to the Minamata Bay Seafood Restaurant.

  38. 38
    redshirt says:

    @Horrendo Slapp (formerly Jimperson Zibb, Duncan Dönitz, Otto Graf von Pfmidtnöchtler-Pízsmőgy, Mumphrey, et al.): In all veggie places they serve fake looking meat all the time. I think someone should go all the way and serve vegan fingers and the like.

    It’s cannibalism/not cannibalism.

  39. 39
    Another Martin says:

    George Donner’s campsite is only about a quarter mile from the Donner Camp Picnic Grounds. Not much of a trek.

  40. 40
    Amir Khalid says:

    Since this an open thread, can I bring up a couple of site rebuild matters?
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    One, the disappearance of the “Recent Comments” list, which has always been to me (and to others, I’m sure) a quick guide to which threads are the most active. Can we have it back, please?
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    Two, why does the site search box on the right-hand edge of the banner have a tail?

  41. 41
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @danimal:

    “Amelia Earhardt World Tours”

    My wife saw “Amelia Earhart” brand luggage on sale in a department store once. For some reason it wasn’t exactly flying off the shelves.

  42. 42
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    One, the disappearance of the “Recent Comments” list, which has always been to me (and to others, I’m sure) a quick guide to which threads are the most active. Can we have it back, please?

     
    Ditto this. I miss that feature.

  43. 43
    Martin says:

    @jibeaux:

    Is that not actually their position?

    Yes, and as it should be. But even in that position there’s a calculation – do they force the courts hand and compel them to strike the entire law down if they take issue with one provision, or do they allow that provision to be struck down and legislate up an alternative. There are alternatives to the mandate, after all.

    Sometimes the solution to small problems is to make them such big problems that nobody wants to touch them. I don’t think the court is fond of the idea of striking down the entirety of what they all appear to recognize as truly landmark legislation.

    Perhaps what we’ll get is something more along the lines of how Roe v Wade came down: drawing lines where the government can and can’t go on this. Rather than seek some limiting factor in regulating non-commerce, perhaps the court will simply declare what that limiting factor is and be done with it. It seems that much of their concern is over the precedent this would set, and they can head that off themselves by declaring public health a special commerce case (which it is).

  44. 44
    floridafrog says:

    I have an acquaintance who is taking a cruise ( more than 3 hours) that will reach the site of the Titanic sinking at the exact time and date as that awful night. Apparently there will be a memorial service. Very strange.

  45. 45
    Martin says:

    @Another Martin:

    George Donner’s campsite is only about a quarter mile from the Donner Camp Picnic Grounds.

    Christ, what a lazy fucker that he couldn’t just walk over there and bum a peanut butter sandwich and Mars bar from one of the picnickers. Even in heavy snow that’s less than an hour walk. I’d have cleared out my cooler for him.

  46. 46
    catclub says:

    @NotMax: More on this, please!

    I am hoping that the way Mitt gets under the skin of his GOP opponents will carry through October. This was reported after the 2008 primaries. You could have made a television series: “Everyone hates Mitt”.

    It is not too hard to imagine Newt Sniping all the way. A little harder to imagine Santorum doing that. But a guy can dream.

  47. 47
    Brachiator says:

    “[If the ACA is struck down,] Republicans will need a Plan B.

    I thought the GOP opposed birth control.
    __
    In other news, the Guardian reports that the Daily Mail spent “an estimated £143,000 asking a private eye to make 1,728 potentially illegal requests to unearth phone numbers and addresses of public figures over a three-year period, including personal details of Kate Middleton and her sister Pippa.”
    __
    Hacking is not just for Rupert, anymore.
    __
    Meanwhile, recently some Balloon Juicers, applauding a recent decision in Canada, suggested that prostituion should be legalized more widely. But in the real world, people fall down in faux rage and butt hurt when a rival paper reveals that a Houston Chronicle columnist also works as a stripper, and worse, blogs about her experiences.

    People who worked with Tressler told the Houston Press they are “furious” because Tressler would flaunt her “stripper money” in the office by showing up to work in high-end clothing. Staffers also alleged Tressler was living the double-life for the purpose of securing a book deal.

    Apparently, “respectable women” just don’t do such things.
    __
    .

  48. 48
    Martin says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: As do I. Also particularly useful for us late nighters when there’s a few of us having conversations in multiple posts to not have to reload a bunch of pages.

  49. 49
    Ripley says:

    @danielx:

    I saw Slim Whitman and BJ Shepard at a steam engine festival once.

  50. 50
    gogol's wife says:

    @Ripley:

    Anything involving Slim Whitman wins the bizarre award.

  51. 51
    Martin says:

    @NotMax: Wow, 34/52 is pretty bad. He’s been below -18 before, but with lower fav/unfav.
    __
    I’ve been poking at it but I don’t think any major party candidate has ever been nominated against an incumbent with a negative approval rating. Some pretty break-even, but generally candidates enter the general election with positive ratings.
    __
    Mitt has only 14% of voters with no opinion, and they aren’t going to break for him any better than the general pool. I have a hard time seeing him polling higher (outside of MOE) than Obama in any national poll at this point. And the GOP doesn’t have a path to the WH against this president that allows them to lose the popular vote and win on EVs.

  52. 52
    catclub says:

    @Martin: LGM posting of Paul Clement arguing that the mandate was unconstituional, and hence all the rest, like the required issue and no preconditions denial was also unconstitutional, was also an argument that the mandate is intrinsic to the regulations — and hence unseverable — is also an argument that the mandate is a regulation of commerce.

    I am favoring the fact that a tax penalty looks just like a tax will be used in not overturning it. (If it is tax, things are much easier — but then the non-argument of day one determines the case. I am unlikely to get my wish. Even though it makes perfect sense to me!)

    For example:
    IRS form 1040 checkboxes:

    Paid child support? => Lower taxes
    Contributed to IRA => lower taxess

    Paid for health insurance => lower taxes
    Did not? => higher taxes
    Contributed to IRA => lower taxes

    Why is that not a tax?

  53. 53
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Brachiator:
    An actress who does nudity and sex scenes is a respectable artist these days, which is as it should be; but a striptease artist (and it is an art) remains stuck in the days when the only women who exhibited their bodies were whores.

  54. 54
    Death Panel Truck says:

    @Woodrowfan:

    if there’s a Hollywood starlet, a professor and a Kansas farm girl onboard I am getting off before the cruise begins…

    I don’t know. I might just stick around for that Kansas farm girl, if she looks anything at all like Mary Ann.

  55. 55
    Anoniminous says:

    @Martin: Teh Master of Teh Blog:

    Jeez.

    Not only did you get paragraph separation you got it in a blockquote!

    How the heck did you manage THAT?

  56. 56
    redshirt says:

    @Death Panel Truck: Gilligan’s Island (or it’s modern version, Lost) never really resonated with me in the way the creators intended, cuz I was always like: Why would you want to get rescued?

    Hell, you got coconut phones and cars, nice houses. Why not hide from rescue? And any surprise visits from the Harlem Globetrotters.

  57. 57
    Martin says:

    @Anoniminous: Put double underscores everywhere.
    __
    And CNN gives the GOP another sad:

    And a CNN/ORC International survey released Wednesday also indicates that the president’s approval rating has inched over the 50% mark in CNN surveys for the first time since last May, when the polls were still registering the after effects of the death of Osama bin Laden. The number of Americans who say the economy’s in good shape has jumped 13 points since January, though the survey shows a majority still think it is in poor shape.
    __
    If the general election were held today instead of in early November, 54% of registered voters say they would back Obama, with 43% supporting former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the front-runner in the GOP nomination battle. That’s up from a five-point 51%-46% advantage the president held over Romney in February.

    If the economy keeps improving, it’s going to be a landslide victory.

  58. 58
    redshirt says:

    @Martin: They better crash the economy, STAT! For America, of course.

  59. 59
    Anoniminous says:

    @Martin:

    Thank you and may your tribe increase, Inshallah.

    (Now all I have to do is remember the code for a double underscore.)

  60. 60
    ...now I try to be amused says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Packer may not be as famous as the Donners, but it is a restaurant named after an infamous cannibal.

    Poor Alferd Packer. If the hilarious Cannibal! The Musical can’t make him more famous than the Donner Party, I don’t know what will.

  61. 61
    Watusie says:

    Alive rugby tours of the Andes

  62. 62
    Martin says:

    @Anoniminous: No, not double underscore that way – two underscores in a row: __

  63. 63
    redshirt says:

    __What’s this now about double underscores?__

  64. 64
    Anoniminous says:

    @Martin:
    __
    Ah.
    __
    Thanks.
    __
    (Do you make House Calls? I need someone to wipe the drool off my chin!)
    __
    :-)

  65. 65
    redshirt says:

    So where do you put the underscores? In post 63 I had double underscores at the beginning and end of my sentence and somehow that turned things italic.

  66. 66
    TooManyJens says:

    Note to self: never ask Mitt Romney to raise my kid if something happens to me.

    “I can tell you one thing. If I’m the godfather of this thing, then it gives me the right to kill it.”
    __
    — Mitt Romney, in an interview with Hugh Hewitt, on President Obama’s health care law.

    (via)

  67. 67
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Now all I have to do is remember the code for a double underscore

    __
    There’s no special code to use. Just type the underscore character twice in a row.

  68. 68
    "Fair and Balanced" Dave says:

    @danielx:

    I attended some bizarre concerts in my misspent youth, both in terms of billing and venue. As far as my memory serves, the strangest on both counts was one at a 5/8 mile dirt track in Jeffersonville, Indiana (across the Ohio from Louisville) in late July – meaning it was roughly as hot as the surface of Venus. The concert bill was Peter Frampton’s Camel, John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra and the headliner – ta-da! – was Johnny Winter in his hard core rock and roll phase. Anything stranger?

    The Jimi Hendrix Experience opening for The Monkees

  69. 69
    Martin says:

    @redshirt:

    So where do you put the underscores? In post 63 I had double underscores at the beginning and end of my sentence and somehow that turned things italic.

    You put them on the blank line, like this:
    __
    Paragraph 1
    __
    Paragraph 2

  70. 70
    Betty Cracker says:

    Testing this here underscore thing:
    __
    Does this produce a block quote?
    __

    Won’t I look silly if it doesn’t work?

  71. 71
    Betty Cracker says:

    Nope. Didn’t work.

    __
    How about this?

    Did that work?

  72. 72
    Betty Cracker says:

    Nope. Le sigh.

  73. 73
    Martin says:

    @Betty Cracker: Are you doing it exactly as I described? Try just cutting and pasting my Paragraph 1 Paragraph 2 example. Here – I’ll just cut and paste it and stick it in a block quote and see what happens:

    Paragraph 1
    __
    Paragraph 2

  74. 74
    replicnt6 says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:

    How about a Jonestown Cocktail Hour? Everyone would be dying to go to that one, eh?

    Now see what you’ve done? There’s coffee all over my monitor.

  75. 75
    Martin says:

    Yep. That works. Give it a whirl. And once you get that to work, then you can play around a bit with it.
    __
    It is indeed silly that we need to do this. Should just disable that WP plugin that does the shorthand formatting and use something like Markdown instead if you want to give people easy formatting.

  76. 76
    Martin says:

    Maybe Betty needs to toss up a FYWP thread where everyone can practice paragraph breaks and blockquoting.

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    LanceThruster says:

    I’d actually like to go and the price seems right. They have Death Tours in LA and many other cities. Civil War battlegrounds are popular despite the massive loss of life. In the Henry Rollins book,”Occupants”, he spoke of visiting the killing fields of Cambodia and Tiananmen Square and other sites of historical interest because to actually be there held some special meaning for him.

    I cried at Cape Kennedy imagining the horror of the Challenger explosion.

    I do not consider myself a “ghoul.”

  78. 78
    replicnt6 says:

    @Wayne:

    Au contraire. I call dibbs on the hut with the brunette.

    On those rare occasions when someone asks me if I like ginger, I enjoy replying “I’ve always been more of a Mary Ann guy, myself.”

    I kill me.

  79. 79
    LanceThruster says:

    I’d actually like to go and the price seems right. They have Death Tours in LA and many other cities. Civil War battlegrounds are popular despite the massive loss of life. In the Henry Rollins book,”Occupants”, he spoke of visiting the killing fields of Cambodia and Tiananmen Square and other sites of historical interest because to actually be there held some special meaning for him.

    I cried at Cape Kennedy imagining the horror of the Challenger explosion.

    I do not consider myself a “ghoul” for having an historical interest.

  80. 80
    LanceThruster says:

    @replicnt6:

    Me too, although if I was stuck on that island, even “Lovie” wouldn’t be safe.

  81. 81
    Darkrose says:

    Has anyone been able to get the pie filter to work with the redesign? On Chrome?

  82. 82
    Brachiator says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    An actress who does nudity and sex scenes is a respectable artist these days, which is as it should be; but a striptease artist (and it is an art) remains stuck in the days when the only women who exhibited their bodies were whores.

    I agree. But the extra despicable thing is that there are people, men and women, who insist on putting people in a box. You can be either a “respectable” person, like a newspaper columnist, or a stripper. But not both. And if you are a stripper, you must remain hidden away in a special zone where your actions cannot “pollute” the “respectable” people.
    __
    Part of this is related to an embarassment about sexuality that exists in many cultures. So, the reporter who outed the stripper might know people who saw her show, may even have gone himself. But, having seen her strip, or even just knowing that she does this, he can no longer see her in a non-sexual context.
    __
    Similarly, there are some people who can no longer take an actress seriously if she has done nude scenes. This does not apply to the same degree for most male actors. However, some people wrote about the odd puritanism that denied Michael Fassbender an Oscar nomination for his role in Shame.
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    .

  83. 83
    Jeff Fecke says:

    @redshirt: Plus, only on a deserted island was Gilligan *ever* going to have a shot at Mary-Ann and/or Ginger.

  84. 84
    pseudonymous in nc says:

    That “three-hour cruise” is just glomming off the (multiple) full-on transatlantic Titanic memorial cruises, complete with first-class stuff — though not with steerage cabins. One of them is even going to re-enact the distress signalling from Newfoundland.

  85. 85
    Brachiator says:

    @Jeff Fecke:

    Plus, only on a deserted island was Gilligan ever going to have a shot at Mary-Ann and/or Ginger.

    There was that special episode.
    __
    Ginger: Oh, Gilligan, that’s no little buddy! Mary-Ann, Gilligan, threesome!
    __
    .

  86. 86
    Martin says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    An actress who does nudity and sex scenes is a respectable artist these days, which is as it should be; but a striptease artist (and it is an art) remains stuck in the days when the only women who exhibited their bodies were whores.

    By the way, that differentiation in label isn’t a function of the woman or the act, but the audience.

    The actress is respectable because the audience is respectable. When the film exists independent of the naughty bits, we trust the audience isn’t attending purely for the naughty bits. Once that determination shifts (NC-17 or higher) and we presume the audience is attending purely for the naughty bits, then we move from art to (presumed) exploitation, and our impression of the audience changes, as well as our impression of the woman for participating. Same goes for photos and other media.

    Stripping generally falls exclusively in the exploitation category, but booth babes are generally fine, as they aren’t presumably the focus of the event. That the fine line that Sports Illustrated and Victoria’s Secret are constantly walking – can they keep just enough of the core product in the show to keep public opinion on their side, even when nobody is really unaware of the real intent of the show.

  87. 87
    Brachiator says:

    @Martin:

    When the film exists independent of the naughty bits, we trust the audience isn’t attending purely for the naughty bits. Once that determination shifts (NC-17 or higher) and we presume the audience is attending purely for the naughty bits, then we move from art to (presumed) exploitation, and our impression of the audience changes, as well as our impression of the woman for participating.

    The problem is that NC-17 supposedly can be used for serious art, but still carries a taint. I don’t recall if Shame was rated NC-17 in the US, but because Michael Fassbender has some scenes with full frontal, some audiences and critics had a problem.
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    The few serious films with actualdepictions of sex have created problems for the actresses. Oddly enough,or more typical, fewer problems for the males in the film.
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    .

  88. 88
    brenda says:

    I eagerly await the Donner Party-themed mountain trek and picnic

    Groupon ran an offer a couple of weeks ago for a Jeffrey Dahmer tour in Milwaukee. True fact.

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