Open Thread: Sanctorum, Hierophant to the Republic of Gilead

(Pat Oliphant via GoComics.com)

Another day, another Purity Crusade promise from the GOP’s latest ‘Buzz’ Windrip. Doghouse Riley mocks Santorum’s newest lure to the Talibangelicals:

From Santorum.com:The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws. While the Obama Department of Justice seems to favor pornographers over children and families, that will change under a Santorum Administration.
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I proudly support the efforts of the War on Illegal Pornography Coalition that has tirelessly fought to get federal obscenity laws enforced. That coalition is composed of 120 national, state, and local groups, including Morality in Media, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, American Family Association, Cornerstone Family Council of New Hampshire, Pennsylvania Family Institute, Concerned Women for America, The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, and a host of other groups. Together we will prevail.

…Really, though, please do tell us how you’re going to shut down internet porn. I guess because you people believe Al Gore invented the thing you think we run it, huh?
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Oh, you’ll appoint a wingnut AG? There’s a news flash. You have some dim awareness that Ed Meese and John Ashcroft were already there? Maybe we should start covering statues now. And Chuck Keating’s still available for Blue Ribbon Commission work.
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Listen, Frothy: porn addiction doesn’t seem to’ve had as deleterious a sexual effect on our young people as Catholic doctrine has. And no matter how porn-addled, few consumers of the stuff can match your own level of kink.

W.I.P. (War on Illegal Pornography)– anybody else old enough to remember the jokes about Gerry Ford’s W.I.N. buttons? Or should that be WIP-Co, which is hardly an improvment?

In defense of us People of Faith (I’m an animist, and yes that is a religion), many of his fellow Catholics aren’t enamoured of Santorum, either:

For all the post-game analysis of whether or not Santorum is now clearly “the real conservative” alternative to Romney… the basic point is being missed. The basic argument is not about being “the real conservative” per se; it’s about being “the real conservative” as “conservative” is defined by a shoeless, Bible-banging, anti-intellectual, woman-hating, sex-maddened Republican base. And, for the moment, that is Santorum in full… His retrograde position on contraception is now fully part of the mainstream debate. He has been rewarded by the people who feel the same way he does, and they happen to be the people who are driving the train at the moment. And he’s doubled down on all the other faith-based nonsense that passes for critical thought in the Republican party. Daring to be stupid is the highest form of courage to the people to whom Santorum is pitching his campaign. And there are a lot of them, and very few of them are sold on Willard Romney…

And Jesuit-trained scholar Garry Wills casts a cold eye on ‘Santorum’s Arrested Development‘:

… Santorum says that 62 percent of people who go to college lose their “faith commitment” there. (Odd, isn’t it, how even people who believe in the old values have to flop back on social-science talk—“faith commitment” for plain religion?) Some have questioned those statistics, which come from a 2007 report that found even greater decline among those who don’t attend college. I do not know how one measures such things, but I think it inevitable that questioning of childhood beliefs should take place at various stages of adolescence. This does not happen in junior year or senior year on campus. It is part of a long process called growing up…
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Minds grow by questioning things, and adolescence is a great period of questions. Mark Twain and H. L. Mencken learned to cross-examine the Bible all on their own, without any help at all from college. An unquestioned faith is not faith but rote recitation. The opposite of such questioning is not deep belief but arrested development.
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So Santorum has mistaken his enemy. It is not colleges that steal his kids from him, but growth, especially the wrenching growths of adolescence. He should get at root causes. Abolish adolescence. I am sure modern science, with the help of hormonal retardants, could make this practicable in most cases. Of course, it would wipe out the human race. But perhaps a tested few, home schooled to insure arrested development in all other matters, could be permitted to grow up and breed. And we know they would breed prolifically, denied all contraceptives.

I know some of you predict that Santorum will eventually be caught in flagrante with a live boy, a dead girl, a barnyard animal, and/or some really-hard-to-explain-to-the-TSA items from the Fredricks of Gomorrah catalog. From his public career and what we know of his private actions — going from the Senate to K Street to Fox News, while forcing his wife to homeschool his children and (over)charging the state for expenses — I think he’s just an old-fashioned ‘kids, church, kitchen’ fascist-wannabe who finds his brand of Opus Dei fundamentalism useful as a tool. Rick Santorum loves the God who makes Rick Santorum the pinnacle of creation, and if that God also gives Rick Santorum the right to punish anyone who disagrees with, discommodes, or digusts him, that’s just a Right-eous bonus. The creepy thing about Sanctorum is not his “godliness”, it’s that he worships the “god” he sees in the mirror every morning.

96 replies
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    THE says:

    And then they ask me why Julian the Apostate is my favorite Roman Emperor.

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    El Cid says:

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    the Fredricks of Gomorrah catalog

    I’m totally amped for their 2012 catalog.

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    Schlemizel says:

    perhaps a small quibble – once ol frothy has ascended to the crown and not just college but all public education has been abolished the only schools permitted will be those that do not allow questioning faith. AS the peasant class becomes dumber and dumber they will learn to love the God of ol frothy because they know that failure to love Him is to invite boils, plague, drought, tornadoes and death. Since none of those can be predicted, cured or cared for except through supplications to this God it is best not to upset Him.

    This old lime religion/government was good enough for our 13th century ancestors its damn well good enough for us!

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    WereBear says:

    How interesting that Rih’s theology puts Rih right at the top! He’ll always be older and maler and richer…. don’t you see how well it works?

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    ranger3 says:

    An unlikely dissent: I actually had no problem with the Bush Administration’s crackdown on rape porn. I see little distinction between rape porn and kiddie porn… both glorify and encourage extreme anti-social behavior. As much as I despise puritans such as Santorum, I was pleased to see Max Hardcore put behind bars where I feel he belongs.

    Of course I don’t know for certain things would have been all that different under Obama, and I would vote for him again regardless of his position on this matter. I respect those who object to Hardcore’s imprisonment on 1st Amendment grounds even though I strongly disagree with them.

    As a lonely frustrated heterosexual male, there are few issues I care more about than porn. But porn must be regulated for it’s own sake. It cannot be allowed to choke on it’s own waste. I feel it’s long past time to set up a panel similar to the Motion Picture Rating System to oversee the commercial release of adult entertainment. This will ensure that only good, clean, wholesome porn is being produced in this country… hot girl-on-girl action… steamy 3-ways and lots and lots of 19 year olds getting plowed senseless. And of course the gays can do their thing too, whatever.

    God Bless America.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I’m an animist, and yes that is a religion

    Yeah, right, keep telling yourself that, Anne. It’s as much a ‘religion’ in this country as Islam is.

    There are only two ACTUAL religions: Christianity, and, grudgingly, only because the Christians are on a guilt trip due to some unpleasantness in the ’40s, Judaism.

    All others do not count.

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    tjmn says:

    @Schlemizel: It took about 3 generations or 100 years of educational decline for Britain to slip into the Dark ages.

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    dr. bloor says:

    W.I.P. (War on Illegal Pornography)—anybody else old enough to remember the jokes about Gerry Ford’s W.I.N. buttons? Or should that be WIP-Co, which is hardly an improvment?

    Concept is right, although getting an “H” between the “W” and the “I” would be more appropriate.

    And, a la Jimmy Carter’s solution to the energy crisis, maybe they’ll be suggesting we put on an extra latex sweater or two.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @tjmn:
    AH but what a great improvement it was! You knew the Earth was the center of the universe, that mice grew from wheat and geese came from barnacles and the priests spoke directly to God, disease was caused by the Devil or witches and birth defects were the punishment of a just & loving Lord. Those things never changed and never would.

    The world was so much simpler than, we all should long for its return

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    Rita R. says:

    Little Ricky has really drunk the holy water if he thinks telling Americans he’s going to take away their porn is a vote-getter. In fact, I’d wager that Republicans are bigger porn watchers than Dems. The, shall we say, edgier stuff too.

    Santorum seems to have picked up the post-win foot-in-mouth disease that’s been afflicting Romney. When he was on the upswing after taking Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri, he called Obama a snob for encouraging college, slammed prenatal testing, and said JFK made him want to throw up. Now, after sweeping Alabama and Mississippi, he’s dissing the Spanish language in Puerto Rico and telling people he wants to take away their porn.

    Between him, Romney and the overplumped combination of ego, venom and morality-free calculation that is Gingrich, they’re the GOP’s version of the Three Stooges. With Ron Paul as Stan Laurel.

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    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Some of us don’t have our snark meters fully tuned up this early in the morning.

    But taking that as sarcasm, yes, I agree with you.

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    You get stupid e-mails from your redneck relatives and redneck relatives of friends? I do. This one is classic. VIsualize the *sirens* :

    WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO WATCH FOX 2-3 TIMES ON CERTAIN DATES ABOUT “OBAMA”, BUT IT WAS NEVER AIRED. BE SURE ALL YOUR FRIENDS SEE. It runs ten (10) minutes so don’t let the breaks fool you. I trust that it will stay on the Internet long enough for you to view.
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    This is a video that Sean Hannity of FOX News has been trying to show that has consistently been blocked by the Obama Administration for several weeks. — if you can’t open Copy & paste:

    And the video is here … in it Obama “admits” he’s a Muslim except for the HUGE HONKING DISCLAIMER at the beginning of the video in which they say they aren’t claiming Obama is Muslim. Such an obvious edit job. I can’t believe people are this stupid.

    I mean Jesus Christ I am sick of these redneck crackers.

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    tjmn says:

    @Schlemizel: Ah, the Flat Earth Society got its start then. Let the good times roll.

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    @Rita R.:

    Between him [Santorum], Romney and the overplumped combination of ego, venom and morality-free calculation that is Gingrich, they’re the GOP’s version of the Three Stooges. With Ron Paul as Stan Laurel.

    Perhaps Santorum’s greatest achievement is making Gingrich look like a real Christian, which is really, really ironic.

    The universe has a sense of humor, indeed.

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    c u n d gulag says:

    Ready, everybody?

    OK – LET’S SING!

    “Give me that old Faith Commitment,
    Give me that Old Time Faith Commitment…
    Give me that…”

    Yeah, it kinda loses something in the translation, don’t it?

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    ericblair says:

    @Rita R.:

    Little Ricky has really drunk the holy water if he thinks telling Americans he’s going to take away their porn is a vote-getter. In fact, I’d wager that Republicans are bigger porn watchers than Dems. The, shall we say, edgier stuff too.

    Yeah, what’s he trying to do, lose the deep South? Maybe he should start making noises about Prohibition, too. That’ll go over great.

    This should kind of drive home the fact to Southerners that this guy isn’t a good ol’ boy you can have a beer with. He’s one of those sanctimonious pricks that will narc on you for hitting on women at the bar, while you know he’s been skimming the donations at the church for years.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @tjmn:
    My real concern, as amply demonstrated by Southern Beale’s emailed example is many of these people are not bright enough to comprehend the concept of a flat earth, the math is beyond them. They probably prefer the earth as a turtle shell or a mote in Gods eye or something

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    Xenos says:

    @tjmn:

    It took about 3 generations or 100 years of educational decline for Britain to slip into the Dark ages.

    It took a lot less than 100 years in Kent and East Anglia, for some reason. Hint: it rhymes with ‘Schmarbarian schminvasion’.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Xenos:

    Well, given that the folks who sent that email to SoBe seem to be of that persuasion, as well, we’re awash in Schmarbarians in this country.

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    tjmn says:

    @Schlemizel: @Xenos:
    Yes, and Yes. It wouldn’t take much to slip into the Dark Ages today. I have great hope and faith in the young people today.

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    Rita R. says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The only comforting thing is that their numbers are shrinking, although they’re kicking up a fuss on their way out. We’re just more aware of them now because the Internet has given them an avenue to project and share their fever dreams and racist conspiracy theories out into the world.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @Xenos:

    It took a lot less than 100 years in Kent and East Anglia, for some reason. Hint: it rhymes with ‘Schmarbarian schminvasion’.

    The good news is that Arizona is so busy guarding the Mexican border, it’s unlikely General Joe Arpaio has the troops he needs to start invading other states.

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    Rita R. says:

    @ericblair:

    He’s one of those sanctimonious pricks that will narc on you for hitting on women at the bar, while you know he’s been skimming the donations at the church for years.

    Sanctimonious is the perfect word for him. Is it really any coincidence that his name is so similar? Hmmm? Can you imagine Americans wanting to have this perfect distillation of a hall monitor on their TV screens for four (or eight!) years?!

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    John S. says:

    I’m an animist, and yes that is a religion

    I get what you’re driving at Anne, but animism is a belief held in many religions around the world, and is not, as you have stated, a type of religion in and of itself. Just a little early morning pedantry.

    I myself am a Deist. :-)

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    madmommy says:

    Well this ought to go over like a fart in church. Especially in red state hell which is the biggest consumer of internet porn nationwide. I still can’t wrap my brain around the recent report that many evangelicals have no idea that lil’ Ricky is Catholic. Since he’s not been exactly shy about it, I can only attribute this to his superior dog-whistling skillz.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @madmommy: They still think it is bad and should be banned.

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    jurassicpork says:

    Church and state have always been a great combination. Just ask Savonarola.

    Look, Mrs. JP and I have both our backs and balls to the wall and any assistance would be immensely appreciated.

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    Egg Berry says:

    @madmommy:

    I still can’t wrap my brain around the recent report that many evangelicals have no idea that lil’ Ricky is Catholic. Since he’s not been exactly shy about it, I can only attribute this to his superior dog-whistling skillz.

    He may not have been shy about it, but he speaks the language of fundamentalistic moral scoldism, and as long as he doesn’t mention the pope in his speeches, the rubes in the pews will think he’s on their team.

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    Regnad Kcin says:

    Deism for the win.

    The godhead is everywhere, even in Annie Sprinkles.

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    bemused says:

    He worships the “god” he sees in the mirror every morning.

    That pretty much describes all ultra rightwing “Christians”, imo.

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    I’m wondering if there might not be some unintended consequences to Arizona’s “slut police” bill that pro-lifers wouldn’t like.

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    harlana says:

    altho “Frothy” has its merits, i totally love the most apropos name “Sanctorum”

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    madmommy says:

    Which, sadly, reflects rather poorly on the reasoning abilities of the electorate. As a born and raised southerner, this does not surprise me. Even a little bit. The urge to pack up and flee this backwater hellhole is sometimes quite strong!

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    harlana says:

    many of these people are not bright enough to comprehend the concept of a flat earth

    didn’t Obama basically say that to crowd recently or did i dream that – i was both shocked and delighted!

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    Schlemizel says:

    @bemused:

    I loved that line. Was it Twain or Mencken that said “Man created God in his own image.” ?

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    jibeaux says:

    @ranger3: Somehow, this just makes me sad. Get out a little, ok? Weather’s nice. Chat someone up in a non-creepy way. I don’t care if people watch pron, but it’s not exactly an antidote to loneliness and I doubt it’s a long-term solution to frustration either.

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    @harlana:

    He said it. He called some Republicans “members of the Flat Earth Society.”

    I’m sure some Washington Post columnist will tsk tsk at Obama’s lack of decorum.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @harlana:
    Yes he did! 8-{D

    The guy is in full campaign mode, I’ve missed him these last 3 years. Its one of the reasons I can’t be gloomy about any polls yet. Can you imagine this witty, erudite, brilliant guy on stage with any of the 4 Clarabelles on parade with the GOP?

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    Mino says:

    But you know that 27% is living proof that a decent education is not a cure for ignorance.

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    bemused says:

    @Schlemizel:

    I don’t know who said it either but it’s a perfect fit.

    I’m not a churchgoer. I have more spiritual well being whether there’s a God or not when I’m outside digging in the dirt or just gazing at the beauty that surrounds us.

    “Religious” people who think they have all the answers and no respect for others or mother nature are pseudo Christians. I have this odd notion that “Christians” and others need to learn a few things in the short time we have on earth and remember that humbleness is a positive trait at times.

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    Since this is an open thread, any body see James Inhofe on Rachel last night? Holy crap. I think the best part was when she asked him about Uganda’s ‘kill the gays’ bill.

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    samara morgan says:

    yet you persist in comparing the Taliban to American WECs.
    we know what you think of al-Islam, AL.

    shariah-ridden brown babies

    surely that is a lot more racist than anything i have ever said.
    the Taliban may be old skool patriarchs and pretty fuckin’ horrible on tolerance and human rights, but the are still guerilla warriors defendin their country from unjust, immoral, and unwinnable American occupation.
    OBL is daid……..America go home.
    Unlike theindigenous WECs that are fighting a guerilla war against demography to take back their country here, the Taliban have memetic WMDs. And America is on the slippery slope to Operation Frequent Wind Redux.

    if you wanna make a comparison, AL cher, make it to the mutaween, the Saud religious police, or to the Baseej in Iran.

    So far Washington has remained silent on political reform in Saudi Arabia and maintained its special relationship with its most important regional ally. But should pressure start coming from the West, the Saudi regime knows how to exploit its allies’ weak spots: fear of terrorism and an insatiable appetite for oil and military contracts. The Bahraini episode, in which the West stood idle as the Saudis overran protesters, demonstrated clearly that the United States, Britain, France, and other Western countries still prefer security to democracy in oil-rich regions. After Bahrain, there can be no doubt of the hypocrisy of these liberal democracies. Authoritarian regimes such as Saudi Arabia’s thrive on it.
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    The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has said it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region,” following Kuwait’s moves to ban their construction.
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    Speaking to a delegation in Kuwait, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, stressed that since the tiny Gulf state was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, it was necessary to destroy all of the churches in the country, Arabic media have reported.

    Kuwait is our ally too, dontcha know?
    WECs are somewhat like the Afghan Taliban, as Kos points out in his book……but they are far more like the Baseej and the Mutaween.

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    Nicole says:

    The reason so many of us assume Sanctorum has some dirty cravings in that otherwise empty head of his is because people who spend the majority of their time obsessing about the sex lives of total strangers are usually incredibly dissatisfied with their own. His wife just ain’t fulfilling his kinks.

    Hey, maybe that explains his war on women- he’s unhappy with his marital relations, and attacking women’s freedom is his passive-aggressive way of letting his wife know. Someone should tell him the silent treatment and some well-timed sighs are much more effective.

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    @dr. bloor:
    Isn’t W.I.P. the acronym for the exploitation film sub-genre “Women in Prison”. On second thought, maybe it is Santorum appropriate.

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    @Nicole:
    Heterosexual men generally don’t spend a lot of time obsessively thinking about anal sex.

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    Mino says:

    @A Humble Lurker: I saw it and was very disappointed with the way she handled the Climategate portion. She was weak, very weak.

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    beltane says:

    @gocart mozart: Yeah, Rick gives off the vibe that his procreative efforts were an enormous personal sacrifice to him. Exposing his God Rod to the Gaping Mouth of Hell is not something he did for pleasure. Putting accused heretics to the rack however…

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    squirrelhugger says:

    I’m all for criminal prosecution of internet pornographers and their financiers, myself. Let’s start here:

    “According to Ms. Lewinsky, she performed oral sex on the President on nine occasions. On all nine of those occasions, the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts. He touched her genitals, both through her underwear and directly, bringing her to orgasm on two occasions. On one occasion, the President inserted a cigar into her vagina. On another occasion, she and the President had brief genital-to-genital contact.”

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    @Mino:
    I agree. She was way to easy on him. She let him get away with stonewalling and dissassembling most of her questions.

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    Nicole says:

    @gocart mozart: And men attracted to members of their own species don’t spend much time speculating about sex with canines. I imagine Rick’s brain would be one of the first things to be arrested under his anti-pornography crusade.

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    Cat Lady says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Unintended consequences never occurs to them. I remember telling people that Bush wasn’t going to be dictator forever and how would they like his unitary executive power grabs being wielded by Hillary Clinton and I got blank dismissive stares. There’s no rational thoughtfulness at work there at all, just blind angry reactionary lashing out. That’s why Obama-fu works.

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    samara morgan says:

    @squirrelhugger: a visiting crotch sniffer.
    how delightful.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @gocart mozart: Only 9:15, and I’ve already learned something new today!

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    samara morgan says:

    @Cat Lady: obama-fu works because conservatives are tactical, and liberals are strategical.
    Games Theory 101–the basic law.
    Strategy beats tactics in the iterated game.

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    Bulworth says:

    From Santorum.com:The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws. While the Obama Department of Justice seems to favor pornographers over children and families, that will change under a Santorum Administration.

    Is this more of that less government I keep hearing about?

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    Schlemizel says:

    @squirrelhugger:
    I do sort of see your point – the people who forced that filth on us should be prosecuted – lets start with Ken Starr and Newt, Drudge and the DC press corp.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    The appropriate Santorum war on pornography should title

    “Beat It!”

    I would be tone deaf to the rest of it.

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    beltane says:

    @samara morgan: These wingnuts do seem inordinately obsessed with Bill Clinton’s p*n1s. They haz a sad that he doesn’t share it with them.

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    samara morgan says:

    @AL
    i dont think Obama is obsessed with the chimera of regime change…i think he is just trying to stave off WWIII.
    imagine how the Israelis are going to take our withdrawal from Afghanistan AND Pak, after getting kicked out of Iraq.

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    japa21 says:

    Hey, they only want to go after the illegal pornography. All the legal pornography, like Fox News and the Republican debates will still be available.

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    On the legal point, Santorum is ignorant (big surprise). “Obscene” and “indecent” have a specific legal definition. “indecent” material is what most people mean when they think of porn: Playboy, Penthouse, X-rated movies, “seven dirty words” etc. It is constitutionally protected speech and it cannot be banned for adults although its access to by minors can be. Its definition is kind of vague hence Justice Stewerts “I know it when I see it.” statement. Actually, the only things that the SCOTUS has specifically declared to be “indecent” speech are adult mags, “N.Y. v. Miller”; X-rated movies, the “Deep Throat” case; 900# sex lines, the “dial-a-porn” case; and George Carlin, “F.C.C. v. Pacifica.” *

    “Obscenity” is a very narrow catagory and is considered to be “non-speech” and therefore by definition is illegal. The obvious example is child porn. Other than that, the SCOTUS has never said clearly. My guess is it would include also bestiality, necrophilia, video of actual rape, and so on. Your guess is as good as anyones.

    * I did my Law School thesis on internet porn. Yes, foreals!

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    shortstop says:

    I yield to no one in my disdain for Santorum — I think he is by far the most immoral in an integrity-free lineup of GOP candidates — but where does the “force his wife to homeschool” come from, Anne Laurie? Do we have any indication that she didn’t want to do so as part of her helpmeet-to-asshole personal history?

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    Also, all “indecent” speech is by definition not “obscene”. Anything that is “obscene” is by definition not speech at all and therefore can be banned. If that helps.

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    shortstop says:

    @gocart mozart:

    On the legal point, Santorum is ignorant

    It’s about what he feels, not what the legal points are. In his heart, he’s very pro-family.

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    @shortstop:
    touche (or did I spell douche wrong)

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    @Bulworth:
    Shrink the size of government so that it is small enough to fit in a tube sock!

    (rimshot) I’ll be here all weak. Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your waitress.

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    @Mino
    I don’t know, she got him to say he thought people like Michael Moore had more money and resources to spend than the petroleum industry. And like a lot of other folks who don’t want to answer questions, he babbled a lot. And that never looks good. It wasn’t Rand Paul good, but it was good, I think.

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    […] But my impression was that porn is not the hot-button issue it was in the 1970s or so. See also Annie Laurie and Doghouse […]

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    Frothy will not be the nominee, so he can be as retrogade as he wants to be. Even when Mittens lost Mississippi and Alabama last Tuesday, he still got more delegates for the night. And Mittens has already said that Frothy will not be his #2.

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    Peter says:

    If by ‘rape pornography’ you mean ‘footage of actual rapes, sold as pornography’ then you are right, there is no difference between rape pornography and child pornography. On the other hand, if you mean simulations of sexual assault performed between consenting adults, ie what Max Hardcore was actually doing, then fuck you for even making that comparison.

    Child Pornography isn’t illegal because it “glorify and encourage extreme anti-social behavior”, it’s illegal because it’s production involves the sexual assault of children, and its distribution continually revictimizes those children. There is comparison with anything that occurs between consenting adults, I don’t care if they’re shitting into each other’s mouth while jerking off a bus full of cross dressing priests.

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    Peter says:

    Uh, that was directed at ranger3’s comment at the top of the thread.

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    Democratic Nihilist, Keeper Of Party Purity says:

    @ranger3: shut the fuck up.

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    handsmile says:

    @Patricia Kayden: (#69)

    Yes, but the very fact that Mittens declared that Frothy would not be his running mate leads me to expect that sometime soon he will be advocating a “Romney/Santorum 2012” ticket. Flip-flopping is Mittens’ one sole consistency.

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    Mino says:

    @A Humble Lurker: I thought the weakest moment came when he quoted a Nature article bemoaning the fact that science was losing the climate change argument and she failed to retort, “Only in America.” We are the bottleneck to a solution. And that is due solely to Republicans.

    And when he was bragging about our reserves and she failed to point out that they are not nationalized for our use.

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    maya says:

    Oh, goodie! I can hardly wait for President Ricky. I always wanted to be a porn-tzar.

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    Jay C says:

    @Rita R.:

    Little Ricky has really drunk the holy water if he thinks telling Americans he’s going to take away their porn is a vote-getter. In fact, I’d wager that Republicans are bigger porn watchers than Dems

    I’d have to disagree here: dumping on “immoral” activity that the candidate has no earthly intention (or even, in most cases, the minimal legal authority) of “taking away” IS a proven vote-getter for probably a far-larger segment of the electorate than we’d like to admit.

    Formulating (still less executing) an actual policy about pOrnography is virtually an irrelevance here: the important part is staking out a “moral” position for Santorum as a candidate that will win him “amens” from his audience, and establish him on the “right” side of the issue; hopefully force any critics or rivals into the position of “defending p0rn”, and, even if a Santorum Administration can’t, somehow, ban “indecent” stuff, allow them to blame somebody else (“depraved liberals”, most likely) for their failures, and use the issue for even more “campaigning”, i.e. fundraising.

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    Jess says:

    @Mino: As a friend of mine used to say, Ignorance is a condition; stupidity is a commitment.

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    gbear says:

    W.I.P. it.

    W.I.P. it good.

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    @Mino:
    He wasn’t letting her get a word in edgewise though. You can’t blame that on her. And obviously if he blathers on and eats up time she has to go on to the next subject to get everything into the interview.

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    4jkb4ia says:

    Majerus in the NYT I suppose it was an obvious national story but I squealed anyway,

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    4jkb4ia says:

    (I am going back to my dad’s house to sit shiva if my husband will ever get out of bed. This is a normal Friday on that score.)

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    hitchhiker says:

    Sanctorum is making a political bet with the pRon thing. He believes that all women hate it, and that if he makes it a focus he’ll get some of those independent women back.

    It’s a pretty sad commentary on how much respect he has for us.

    If I vote for Rick, my husband will be nicer to ME.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mino:

    I saw it and was very disappointed with the way she handled the Climategate portion.

    She made her points about climategate before interviewing the senator. The facts got out there even if the actual interview was not that strong.

    @gocart mozart:

    “Obscenity” is a very narrow catagory and is considered to be “non-speech” and therefore by definition is illegal. The obvious example is child porn. Other than that, the SCOTUS has never said clearly. My guess is it would include also bestiality, necrophilia, video of actual rape, and so on. Your guess is as good as anyones.

    Water sports and fisting used to be considered obscene. Not so much anymore. And, strangely enough, necrophilia is not consistently treated as a criminal act in the law.

    And the InterTubes stretches the limits of pron far beyond the imaginations of a lot of folk. If Santorum actually sat down and watched the panoply of what turns folks on via the Nets, his head would explode.

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    the fugitive uterus says:

    @squirrelhugger: wow, thanks for that! i forgot all this creepy voyeurism and obsession with sex with republicans actually started back in the 90’s! i sure remember the Starr Report being plastered all over the internets back in the day.

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    g says:

    Just the phrase “a Santorum administration” makes me giggle.

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    TheHalfrican says:

    My mom compared him to Greg Stillson (of The Dead Zone fame), without my prompting.

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    g says:

    I eagerly away Santorum rolling out his anti-porn manifesto at the Tampa convention, seeing as how Tampa is the lap-dance capital of the world.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    All that’s left ;) is for the Sick Rantorum campaign to show us the Wingnut Meringué, i.e., to WIP that Frothy Mix into stiff peaks suitable for garnishing an electoral cowpie.

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    Tonal Crow says:

    Mine eyes have seen the horror of Republicans at work,
    Our Liberty they trample and our Constitution dirk,
    From governor to statehouse and in Congress now they lurk,
    Their lies are marching on.

    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Their lies are marching on.

    I have seen them push their Foxtardation up and down the dial,
    It’s from Limbaugh and from Hannity and David Brooks’s smile,
    When it comes to eating Liberty they go the extra mile,
    Their lies are marching on.

    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Gory, gory propaganda!
    Their lies are marching on….

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    @Southern Beale:

    I watched the clip. And one thing that struck me was how my mind doesn’t work anything like the minds of the people who made that or the people they made it for. I just didn’t see anything that Obama did or said that upset me. After all, “Obama goes to a mosque!”? Really? In Istanbul? Everybody who goes to Istanbul goes to that mosque. It’s like seeing the Washington Monument when you go to Washington. How anybody can find that upsetting is beyond me. And the woman lying about Obama being the first president to bow to an Arab king was fun, too. I thought the funnest part was that it was a lie. Yeah, I’m so glad these people live in this country.

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    Jager says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....Kw-xV_IN_I

    Entertainment at the Santorum White House

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    Arclite says:

    I think he’s just an old-fashioned ‘kids, church, kitchen’ fascist-wannabe who finds his brand of Opus Dei fundamentalism useful as a tool. Rick Santorum loves the God who makes Rick Santorum the pinnacle of creation, and if that God also gives Rick Santorum the right to punish anyone who disagrees with, discommodes, or digusts him, that’s just a Right-eous bonus. The creepy thing about Sanctorum is not his “godliness”, it’s that he worships the “god” he sees in the mirror every morning.

    Pitch perfect. Hard to disagree. I’m one of the ones convinced Santo’s in the closet, but hard to disagree with what you’ve written: An egomaniac who believes his “destiny” to rule over others is God-given.

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    Nigel says:

    With regard to pornogrphy, hasn´t anyone learned anything yet. The more you try and oppose it the more people will want it.

    That reminds me I really must book my airline ticket for Tampa as it is apparantly the lap dance capital of the world

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