This is the saddest story I’ve ever heard

Megan McArdle is officially the Paganini of the world’s smallest violin playing just for the not-quite-rich-enough folks.

When middle-class people lose their jobs, they need to suck it up and admit that they’re too fucking soft and lazy to live in dormitories like REAL workers do in China. They need to accept cuts to their health care and retirement funds and if they complain about it, they need a lecture on morality from Daddy Bobo.

When people making 400K get bumped down to 300K, it’s a three-hanky tragedy.

Tell me again that Robespierre didn’t have a point.

Update. Megan front-pages some wise words from a commenter:

Another factor I’ve noticed with my bankruptcy clients is that a very rich person whose income takes a sudden precipitous drop to a still-pretty-good income can actually wind up in more financial trouble, faster, than a very poor person whose income drops to zero. If you were making $300k a year and spending $200k of it on fixed expenses, and your household income drops to $125k a year, unless you have substantial liquid savings or are able to sell your house and your car and your boat yank your kids out of private school REALLY fast, you’re going to wind up in bankruptcy in a fairly short space of time. A person who was making $18k a year and suddenly finds themselves making nothing, as a practical matter, can often break their lease and move in with mom and get on food stamps until a new job materializes and wind up with only a couple thousand dollars in debt. Not that it’s not still ultimately much better to be the rich person, but the rich person does get hit with a more panic-inducing financial calamity in the short term.






242 replies
  1. 1
    patrick II says:

    Clicked on the link, couldn’t get passed the title.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Not getting out of the boat for that one.

    I assume she laments that people might have to drink tap water or eat iceberg lettuce.

    The horrors!

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    Aimai says:

    Holy Marie Antoinette! The update from the tax guybwho explais that poor people can just get food stamps and move in with their parents–if they have any and the parents lease doesn’t forbid it, of course!–is just jaw dropping. Megan isn’t Sui generis but apparently surrounded by like minded Koch suckers.

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    Aimai says:

    Holy Marie Antoinette! The update from the tax guybwho explais that poor people can just get food stamps and move in with their parents–if they have any and the parents lease doesn’t forbid it, of course!–is just jaw dropping. Megan isn’t Sui generis but apparently surrounded by like minded Koch suckers.

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    Brachiator says:

    @DougJarvus Green-Ellis:

    Tell me again that Robespierre didn’t have a point.

    And a sharp one at that.

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    PeakVT says:

    How twisted do you have to be to write something like that? I don’t ever want to know.

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    c u n d gulag says:

    I’ve said it before, but I think it bears repeating.

    They say that OWS had/has no message.

    At the next OWS gathering, we need to bring guillotines, mannequins, ropes, rusty can-openers, some kielbasa, wicker baskets, pikes, some gasoline, matches, and a sign.

    Set up the guillotine.
    Bring out the mannequin.
    Tie rope to the mannequins limbs.
    Tear off the limbs.
    Take the rusty can-opener, and fake gutting the mannequin.
    Pull out the kielbasa as if it was intestines.
    Hack off the head with the guillotine.
    Put the head on a pike.
    Put the pike by the road.
    Pour the gasoline on the mannequins body.
    Take the matches and set the body on fire.

    Unfurl the sign, which reads, “Are We Making The Message Any Clearer, ASSHOLES?”

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    Yutsano says:

    The article was bad enough. When the double-down from the commenter was front-paged, I almost had to call in sick.

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    jl says:

    Best she could do is mention their children.

    ” it’s actually really hard on kids to yank them out of school and move them somewhere else… I doubt that it gets any easier because your parents used to be able to afford stratospheric tuition.

    Let’s not forget that these are kids we’re talking about ”

    That is a good point. I can feel sorry for rich people’s children.

    Actually, I CAN feel sorry about a rich person who falls down a notch. Just like I feel sorry for a rich person who scuffs their gazillion dollar shiny patent leather shoes if they stumble on a vulgar street curb.

    I just feel a lot sorrier for people with bigger problems.

    So, how about brussels sprouts recipes for this thread?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    On the other hand, all my parent friends seem to think that it’s actually really hard on kids to yank them out of school and move them somewhere else, particularly in the middle of a school year. I doubt that it gets any easier because your parents used to be able to afford stratospheric tuition.
    Let’s not forget that these are kids we’re talking about–we shouldn’t take joy in uspetting them, even if their parents happen to make a lot more money than we do.

    About time we got some fucking perspective in the Liberal Media.The kids who have to transfer mid-year from Snobswallet Academy in Manhattan to Howard Taft Middle School because their parents had to downgrade from the duplex with marble countertops on the UWS to the mock tudor with granite countertops in Leafygreenburb are just like the kids sleeping in a car and getting one meal a day from the food bank van because their parents lost their apartment when their mom lost the job with health coverage and they had to start paying bout of pocket for their dad’s insulin and their little sister’s asthma medication. Stop the H8, libs!

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    Chyron HR says:

    @c u n d gulag:

    Oh, heavens, such violent rhetoric. Why can’t you be like those nice Tea Partiers and carry around signs saying “Next Time We’re Coming Armed (except for the ones who came armed this time)”?

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    KG says:

    I made it about two or three paragraphs… basically, “WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE (RICH) CHILDREN? Having to be pulled out of their really nice private schools because mommy and daddy fucked over the economy didn’t get their six figure bonus”

    Sucks for the kids, but you know what other kids it sucks for? The one’s whose parents were foreclosed on (and evicted) because they got sold a shitty mortgage by shady brokers and lenders. Not to mention the kids whose parents lost their job because the banks decided to stop making business loans.

    Totally OT, but what did our resident Romneytroll have to say by the end of the night last night? When that insurmountable lead in absentees turned out to be a 4 point win?

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    TenguPhule says:

    Bring out the mannequin.

    Republicans are cheaper then manniquins.

    Just saying, why waste a perfectly good dummy.

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    g says:

    The update from the tax guy who explais that poor people can just get food stamps and move in with their parents—if they have any and the parents lease doesn’t forbid it, of course!—is just jaw dropping.

    Yeah. I like how he says they can “wait till a new job materializes.” Like if the only factory in your shitty little town closes and you’re an 80 mile commute from anything else.

    It boggles my mind – so a poor family moving back into mom’s cramped little bungalow or trailer and getting food stamps – ho hum! But having to sell the boat and yank junior out of Andover! Such suffering!

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    mark says:

    Dougj – Is this an open thread?

    here’s my open thread comment:
    How can the GOP fight to say tobacco companies DO NOT have to “inform” customers of graphic images of the damage cigarettes cause, but women’s health clinics must perform medically unnecessary invasive procedures to provide graphical images of fetusi to women seeking abortion, which, if i remember med school correctly, completely violates the Hippocratic Oath?

    Is the ‘service’ of an abortion not also a product they are hell bent on ‘regulating’ even though they are against any and all regulation of anything else that causes unhealthiness to humans and children? I can think of other things besides cigarettes that actually kill instead of just terminating a pack of cells that only >30% of us consider “killing” life(not even actual people yet). I would seriously like to see a front page post by you on these two of many contradictions.

    —–

    Also, kinda unrelated, I would also like to see a separate front page post on this:

    Back in the day, lets say 30s thru late 90s, back in the “good old days” according to the GOP, this may surprise you, but, even in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, before the ‘hippie era,’ there were some people (given the time period, i’m talking about white people) who didn’t have medical insurance and also couldn’t afford the couple of chickens it cost to have a doctor come cure your flu. So, as a comforting excuse to maintain an appearance of ‘normalcy’ for their children, they would lie and simply tell their kids that their health was in God’s hands, and that that new fangled medical doctor stuff was not putting their faith in the Lord. These kids grew up to become boomers who became the crazy part of the GOP that somehow didn’t get the reveal that these were just like fairy tales, told to kids, to protect them from the fear, shame, and embarrassment of being poor. These are the folks that are today so incredibly misinformed, untrusting of doctors and government, the anti-vaccine folk, and every one else we grew up thinking were only amish traits. I don’t think it was ever a ‘real’ branch of thought in the church from historical views, but rather a misunderstanding of the innocent lies parents tell their kids to protect them from shame over something they should never have been shamed or embarrassed by to begin with.

    Think of the literature and arts from the time. Death of a Salesman. Anything Goes. and any 20s, 30s, 40s era black and white ‘classic’ movie, etc. etc. – those white, lower middle class-newly poor, thanks to the depression, still tried everything they could to project an image of middleclassness to others that they constantly lied to even themselves about things.

    The pain told in those stories was primarily from the struggle to maintain an image of being normal for the times that they ended up doing damage to the real meanings of life. Only, the moral from those tales has been completely forgotten, and the lies told to project the image of middle-class normalcy to the young children has sadly turned into the fact and lessons to them as adults from those times.

    Its actually incredibly sad. I would like to see you expand this clearer in a front page post as well.

    That is all. Thank you,

    p.s. also too, North Korea!!

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    kindness says:

    So how do we the people burn down The Atlantic as a web entity? Yea they have two that I like there but the ratfvcking…it’s getting too hard to bare any longer.

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    Tim F. says:

    That update makes me want to goddamn break something. Bankruptcy is an epidemic of the lower class. Any small bump in the road fucks you over and ruins your life, and that was before our wise masters changed the rules and made it more punishing and harder to escape. One of the worst aspects of our health care system is that anyone without good insurance (crappy insurance often won’t cut it) lives one medical event away from bankruptcy and foreclosure. It is an awfully effective speedbump on the way to class mobility, and I don’t doubt that helps explain why Republicans throw their body on the tracks to prevent reforming it.

    If bankruptcy becomes a tangible possibility for these masters of the universe, fucking fantastic. Maybe they will ask their servants in DC to strike some of the pointless cruelty back out of our bankruptcy laws.

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    So who wants to compare and contrast her sympathy for New Yorkers making 300K to her thoughts on the foreclosure crisis? I’m guessing she sides with banks when it’s faceless “irresponsible” poor people, but a terrible tragedy to lose your home when it’s somebody she might invite to a dinner party.

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    BGinCHI says:

    I’d say Fuck Megan McArdle, but their just isn’t that much altruism in the world.

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    Mark S. says:

    Why do you all hate children?

    And the lucky duckies comment from the bankruptcy attorney? This is some of the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever read.

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    g says:

    ”it’s actually really hard on kids to yank them out of school and move them somewhere else… I doubt that it gets any easier because your parents used to be able to afford stratospheric tuition.”

    So little Junior, Esquire, has to leave Andover and attend the public school in whatever rich suburb the family lives in. Yes, it is tough – he might even have to park an American car in a lot full of other kids’ BMWs.

    It’s a heckuva lot harder when the reason you yank the kids out of school is because you’re homeless.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Doug, you’re gonna have to blockquote, because no way I would click on a McMegan link.

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    gnomedad says:

    I propose “begging for the guillotine” as a tag.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mark:

    Your comment is so interesting.

    Am sure a lot of that went on. And still does.

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    Comrade Dread says:

    I love the update to the story.

    Hey, that rich guy pulling down 300k a year might have to take bankruptcy if their income falls to 125k a year, while the poor guy who was making 18k and loses his job can just crash on his mom’s couch until he finds another job, so it’s much more stressful for the rich man.

    Notwithstanding that he still pulls down a great annual salary at 125k/year and can afford a fantastic middle class lifestyle virtually anywhere in America, has a support network of business contacts to help him transition to a new job or give him a leg up, and making that much money a year and being clear of debts after bankruptcy means he’ll have plenty of banks still willing to lend or give credit to him, albeit at a slightly higher interest rate for a couple of years, all in all leaving him in a fantastic state that most of us are still striving for. Pity the man, you serfs!

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    Tim F. says:

    Alsotoo, banking should be a boring job with decent but not great pay. Any college graduate can write loans and keep track of deposits. Crazy salaries just represent a symptom of a larger problem: brilliant people creating fake value through hidden leverage, fudged reports, misdirection and jargony bullshit. Every time one of them sells his second home in the Berkshires and finds another line of work we ought to throw a party.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Comrade Dread: The soft sophistry of high income expectations.

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    Elizabelle says:

    You know who else moves during the school year?

    Military kids.

    McMegan whingeing on their behalf too?

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    AIA says:

    Max Abelson at Bloomberg is doing a real public service.

    His piece today: Bonus Drop Means Trading Aspen for Discount Cereal

    My favorite line:

    Wall Street headhunter Daniel Arbeeny said his “income has gone down tremendously.” On a recent Sunday, he drove to Fairway Market in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn to buy discounted salmon for $5.99 a pound.

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    Punchy says:

    Wait….Glenn Greenwald is gay?

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    Phyllis says:

    @jl: Mmm, Brussel sprouts. Caramelize in skillet in renderings from some good slab bacon and a drizzle of olive oil with onion and garlic. Hit the pan with a splash of chicken broth or dry white wine to deglaze. Season with salt, pepper, and a dash or two of balsamic vinegar. Top with crumbled bacon.

    As for McMegan, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear she was attempting satire. Alas, I know better.

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    aimai says:

    I lurk on a family problems website where families routinely make around 18,000 a year–and that is sometimes with both parents working. When someone like that loses a job its not some twenty year old returning home to crash on mom’s couch its an entire family, with kids, with no where to go. As someone said upthread people who are poor or who lose their job go bankrupt too. And they then can’t access the credit or the other goodies that cushion lots of things. For example: no credit card no ability to pay your co-pay then no medicine even if you have some kind of health insurance. Or: bad credit and you can’t get your utilities turned back on. Or you can’t get first, last, and security deposit to move into an apartment.

    And all of this happens to the children of poor people. Not just imaginary singletons in MEgan’s mind.

    It just boggles my mind that she can be so sociopathic, emotionally and intellectually. IT goes against everything I believe about sentience and humanity. Its obvious that she has a rudimentary theory of mind because she grasps that her readers might feel sympathy for people if she alludes to the suffering of children. But its only rudimentary because she can’t manage to extend her argument or her field of vision to include the children of the not-rich in her discussion.

    aimai

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    Meanwhile, the Texas doctor recently indicted for bilking Medicare of $350 million in what is now the largest healthcare fraud in US history was a major Tea Party Express donor … nobody could have anticipated that!

    Job creators! Soshulism! Government takeover of healthcare! Argle bargle!

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    Comrade Dread says:

    @AIA: I’m a religious, dedicated family man, but damned if that paragraph doesn’t make me want to sign up for the French Revolutionary Corps.

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    Death Panel Truck says:

    Say what you will about Robespierre, but there was a motherfucker who knew how to get shit done.

    ‘Til they did it to him. ;)

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    scav says:

    Well, if one’s palate is accustomed to Pink Himalayan, mere ionized is simply poisonous.

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    Meanwhile, the Texas doctor recently indicted for bilking Medicare of $350 million in what is now the largest healthcare fraud in US history was a major Tea Party Express donor … nobody could have anticipated that!

    Job creators! Soshulism! Government takeover of healthcare! Argle bargle!

  38. 38

    Davy Jones of the Monkees died.

    I haz sad. Had a crush on him when I was, like, 8.

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    ruemara says:

    I’m sitting here, trying to find nearly $1500 for security deposit and first months rent by April; I would really, really love to discuss the tragedies of Megan McArdle’s poverty strucken rich person, who has been downgraded to $300k. As a person who has not seen $20k in income since 2000, I can only hope they survive. And my their precious children get the therapy they need for their trauma at leaving Prestigious Douche Academy for Modestly Prestigious Douche Charter. …Doug, are you trying to cause rampant incivility on the internets? Because I am dangerously close to suggesting uncivil things.

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    IM says:

    @Death Panel Truck:

    life by the guillotine, die by the guillotine.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @scav: LMAO!

    Also2, I like this bit from the article:

    One of the guys in the article makes $350,000 and lives in 1200 square feet with three kids. This is the way the lower rungs of the lower middle class lives in the rest of the country.

    On what fucking planet?

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    aimai says:

    Southern Beale! I knew we were secret sharers. I had a huge crush on him too.

    aimai

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    Legalize says:

    Dammit. Got out of the boat. To the bar!

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    Lost in America says:

    when middle class people take out a mortgage that’s perfectly affordable on the income they’ve been enjoying for years, and then lose the house because they suddenly saw that income cut in half, we don’t feel a delicious sense of joy because they finally got what was coming to them

    Obviously you aren’t familiar with the Tea Party, Ms. McArdle. If the joy isn’t apparent, the absolute unwillingness to support even the most modest safety net so those people DON’T HAVE to lose that house due to a temporary setback is not only apparent, but a defining feature of the TeaOP.

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    aimai says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    He won’t move out of Cobble Hill or wherever to the burbs. That’s the problem. He believes he’s entitled to live in Manhatten, in a brownstone, all to himself and his family.

    Years ago I read a very powerful and absurdly sad photo-journalistic essay about the end of the wasp hegemony. People who were the secondary and tertiary heirs to Wasp Money, who had been divorced out of it or otherwise fallen to the edges of privilige, were interviewed. They were really stuck. They didn’t know how “other people” lived without their Arrow Shirts and their summer cottages. But they couldn’t afford those things. One guy explained that he could affort to remain on the fringes of the only society that mattered to him by not ever marrying. That way hostesses could continue to invite him as a “spare man” and he could continue to live life as a houseguest. If he were married (out and down) he’d never get invited anywhere.

    That’s the feeling you get reading these pathetic tales of “but I thought I’d be a billionaire for sure by now.”

    aimai

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    @aimai:

    Southern Beale! I knew we were secret sharers. I had a huge crush on him too.

    You, me and like 40 million other kids….

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    harlana says:

    sooo, rich people who over-extended themselves and now may have to downsize to a $500,000 home(!!) deserve sympathy but the middle and working class who got kicked out of their homes do not and should actually be blamed for the mortgage crisis.

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    Dave says:

    Ford! Madox! Ford!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @gnomedad:

    I liked aimai’s “Holy Marie Antoinette!” too.

    Understandable, where “granite countertops” might be obscure.

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    Phyllis says:

    @Southern Beale: Wonder if the Brady Bunch episode where he took Marcia to the dance is available online.

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    penpen says:

    O/T but can someone point me to a good rundown of why voting for a Democrat is not actually the same as voting for a Republican no matter how much a Ron Paul supporter says it. Thanks in advance!

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    Bitter Scribe says:

    The Atlantic has one of those homepages that completely freezes my laptop, making it impossible to read. From the comments here, that seems to be a blessing.

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    IM says:

    The rich are different. There is the new Scott F. Fitzgerald to write about their troubles?

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    Frank says:

    If you were making $300k a year and spending $200k of it on fixed expenses, and your household income drops to $125k a year, unless you have substantial liquid savings or are able to sell your house and your car and your boat yank your kids out of private school REALLY fast, you’re going to wind up in bankruptcy in a fairly short space of time. A person who was making $18k a year and suddenly finds themselves making nothing, as a practical matter, can often break their lease and move in with mom and get on food stamps until a new job materializes and wind up with only a couple thousand dollars in debt.

    This is just amazing…

    If a person making 300k a year decides to live paycheck to paycheck (since their expenses are so damn high) they can only blame THEMSELVES if their income goes down and they aren’t prepared for it.

    Why in the world should I feel sorry at all for someone like that who refuses to take personal responsibility for his own financial situation. Especially someone who made 300k per year!

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    gnomedad says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I liked aimai’s “Holy Marie Antoinette!” too.

    It’s just that this seems hard to explain by passive cluelessness; more like an active death wish. “Suicide by peasant mob” parallel with “suicide by cop”.

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    ruemara says:

    @penpen: Head to eclectablog. read everything on michigan politics. you’re welcome.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Oh no.

    Now this thread is a sad story.

    Have some of their 45s.

    We had a babysitter who swore she was related to Peter Tork. Everytime I see the bathroom towel dispensers, I think of that.

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    harlana says:

    Ms. McCardle, I don’t have anything against the rich per se, I’d just like to hang on to what little I’ve got and have a decent roof over my head with basic comforts, food, and adequate medical care and certain very wealthy, very powerful people want to take that away from me and everybody like me.

    I would like to stop that from happening. WHY IS THAT SO INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR YOU AND YOUR ILK TO UNDERSTAND?

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    Dork says:

    @AIA: From your link:

    A labradoodle named Zelda and a rescued bichon frise, Duke, cost $17,000 a year, including food, health care, boarding and a daily dog-walker who charges $17 each per outing, he said.

    Read that again. $17000K a year for 2 dogs. Lets deconstruct, b/c something doesn’t fly. I have 2 large dogs, who certainly eat more than a bichy, but I’ll assume not:

    Food: 1 $35 bag per month per dog = $840 yr
    Treats: $40/month
    Heath care: at most, $1000 per year per dog = $2000 yr
    Boarding: lets say 2 weekends/month at $25 a nite per dog = $2400
    A daily walk at $17/per – (this is amazing) = $6205 yr

    Total — ~$12000. Just where this fucker is blowing the other $5K, and why he’s too fucking lazy to walk his own dogs, remain to be answered.

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    IM says:

    Nobody knows how much trouble I have seen,

    nobody knows but Mammon.

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    Loneoak says:

    @penpen:

    What makes you think a Paulista cares about reasoned arguments that use evidence?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @gnomedad:

    “Suicide by peasant mob”

    It’s got its possibilities.

    I am ready to throw a brick. BJ has radicalized me!

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Frank:

    I know, the audacity of that argument is breathtaking. When a poor person or a person of more modest income faces further hardship, it’s “well, you shouldn’t have been buying X, Y, or Z.” When a more affluent person faces the same situation, it’s “hard because they have to sell their boat.” Astounding.

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    Comrade Dread says:

    @penpen: Well, I don’t have a site, but the way I see it, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is this:

    Both sides are gonna bend you over a table and screw you.

    But the Democrats at least leave a $20 on the nightstand and are quite polite about it.

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    harlana says:

    @Frank: i thought the republican party was the party of personal responsibility – whuh happun??

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    IM says:

    Sometimes I think McArdle did read The Iron Heel and thought it was a manual.

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    elmo says:

    Yeah, it was the front-paged comment that got me, too. Because only single guys with parents who are still alive, AND live nearby, AND have extra space – only THOSE guys get laid off while making 18K a year.

    The family of four, with parents in assisted living? Those people NEVER get laid off.

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    trollhattan says:

    Remember when the Republicans helped save us from po’ folks abusing the bankruptcy laws? Even that’s tailored to protect the rich, now.

    Sometimes it’s hard to keep from thinking we’ve been set up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....ection_Act

    But hey McMegan, keep %$#king that chicken.

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    MattF says:

    Living beyond your means is harder when you’ve never had any. True, that.

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    Loneoak says:

    @Dork:

    Just where this fucker is blowing the other $5K

    Hiding your Columbian Marching Powder budget in the kibble account is a classic banksta move.

    and why he’s too fucking lazy to walk his own dogs, remain to be answered

    He’s not too lazy, he’s too privileged.

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    Brachiator says:

    On the other hand, all my parent friends seem to think that it’s actually really hard on kids to yank them out of school and move them somewhere else, particularly in the middle of a school year. I doubt that it gets any easier because your parents used to be able to afford stratospheric tuition.

    Sounds like a Reality TV show in the making. The Formerly Rich Housewives of Beverly Hills Try a Middle Class Lifestyle.

    @penpen:

    O/T but can someone point me to a good rundown of why voting for a Democrat is not actually the same as voting for a Republican no matter how much a Ron Paul supporter says it. Thanks in advance!

    How many Democrats are in favor of state sponsored rape of women? For that matter, how can a Ron Paul supporter, presumably libertarian, be in favor of taking away a woman’s liberty interest in her own body?

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    Calouste says:

    @g:

    Yeah. I like how he says they can “wait till a new job materializes.”

    You mean one of your parents’ country club friends don’t have a job for you? How else does one get a job? /snark

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    Comrade Dread says:

    @Dork: Not to mention it shouldn’t be that hard to find someone to pet sit, especially if you’ve got nice digs.

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    fasteddie9318 says:

    The reaction to these heartbreaking stories is typical, as the Peasant is simply unable to wrap its tiny, autonomic brain stem around the depths of the suffering of Makers all over this great country. Whether it’s a slightly higher top marginal tax rate, a reduction in expected bonus monies given to Makers by über-Makers for a job done, the hurtful disapproval of their lifestyle choices by the envious Peasant, or the pain of having to watch the sick Peasant obtain proper health coverage despite the fact that it obviously does not deserve such considerations, the USASR under the iron reign of Marxist Kenya Witch Doctor Man is no place for the beautiful souls of the Creators.

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    IM says:

    @fasteddie9318:

    Hey the makers could go on strike!

    Bet nobody ever thought of that.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @MattF:

    Didn’t Lily Tomlin used to have a great routine about the concept of selling snack food to the 3rd and 4th world?

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    The Voice says:

    Let me let this straight. These financial wizards did not forsee the ’08 crash and once it happpened, they continued the lavish lifestyles for four years and NOW they’re worried?

    Fuck them.

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    T.R. Donoghue says:

    She is truly beyond parody.

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    scav says:

    @fasteddie9318: We’ll take abundant pity on his reduced circumstances and arrange his peasant mob at, say, half price? Can’t guarantee a sharp blade at those prices, but we’ll try our best.

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    flukebucket says:

    @penpen:

    Trying to reason with a Ron Paul supporter is a fool’s errand my friend. Just slowly nod your head and walk away.

    And back on topic, I have seen and read you guys talk about Megan McArdle and usually just don’t pay it much attention but I must admit sympathy for the rich is one of the god damndest things I have ever read.

  82. 82
    Brooklyn Michael says:

    Waitaminnit…

    Someone making 300K with 200K in expenses…$200,000…quadruple the median US family income…suddenly finds themselves living beyond their means….

    …and the libertarian wants us to feel sorry for them?

    Now who’s gonna clean my brain off the ceiling?

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    Interrobang says:

    I read the comment by the alleged bankruptcy guy and thought, “Spoken like someone who’s never suddenly faced zero income with no place to go, and moving back in with their parents as an adult.”

    Let’s just say I’ve done that, and, having actually done it, I’ll take what’s behind door # $125 000 instead. Even without kids, it was a miserable experience, and my folks were, shall we say, not exactly eager to have me at home.

    Also, I love (for values of “love” roughly synonymous with “despise”) the idea that jobs just materialize. Wingnuts love this trope, that unless it’s directly to their benefit (or to the detriment of people they don’t like), there are never any agents or actors doing anything anywhere. Nobody does anything in the Wingnutverse; things just happen.

    It dovetails nicely with their inability to predict the blindingly obvious consequenses of their and others’ actions, for which there’s always the standby whine, “Nobody could have forseen…” and the convenient shutting-up of anybody who did have the foresight to realise the consequenses. (Which is damn pathetic for people who are always bleating on about “responsibility” and “consequenses.”)

    Jobs don’t just materialize, you pathetic freak, not only do you have to put yourself in the running for them, but someone else who isn’t under your control gets to decide whether you get that job or not. That’s how it works outside the nepotism factory known as wingnut welfare, anyway.

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    Mark S. says:

    I skimmed through the stupid article McMegan’s talking about.

    His family rents the lower duplex of a brownstone in Cobble Hill, where his two children share a room. His 10-year- old daughter is a student at $32,000-a-year Poly Prep Country Day School in Brooklyn. His son, 7, will apply in a few years.

    $32,000 a year to send your munchkin to fifth grade? Fuck these fucking people.

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    gaz says:

    McMegan needs to guzzle a tall frosty of STFU.

    A) I thought these people she whinges about were the producers and the risk takers, right? When that risk comes back to haunt them it turns out they are just crybabies? who knew?

    B) Never feel sorry for anyone with a jet.

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    Martin says:

    Not that it’s not still ultimately much better to be the rich person, but the rich person does get hit with a more panic-inducing financial calamity in the short term.

    That’s only because they’re an idiot. The whole fucking point of increasing income should be to eliminate all of those fixed expenses before ramping up consumption. Once your can afford to pay off your house, fucking pay off the house, don’t use it as an excuse to buy a bigger or 2nd house. Once everything is paid off and you’ve banked a decade of fixed expenses, then you can start to add to your empire.

    I’ve been fortunate to be able to increase my net worth in spite of my pretty meager income, but it all goes into future security. Until that net worth is enough to cover college for the kids, retirement, paying off the house, and to replace my income until my retirement kicks in should I lose my job tomorrow, then it doesn’t go to remodels or cars or any other luxury. That’s precisely what Republicans think every middle income person should be doing in lieu of a government safety net, yet NONE of them would agree that the so-called job creators should do the same thing.

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    A person who was making $18k a year and suddenly finds themselves making nothing, as a practical matter, can often break their lease and move in with mom and get on food stamps until a new job materializes and wind up with only a couple thousand dollars in debt.

    That’s a thing of beauty there. “Only a couple thousand dollars in debt” when your income is zero and your prospects are on the 20 grand level is fucking brutal.

    Also, too, “move in with mom” is the new “get free medical care at the ER.” One thing the rich understand well is the accounting power of externalizing costs.

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    harlana says:

    @c u n d gulag: By jove, I like the cut of your jib!

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    Martin says:

    @Mark S.:

    $32,000 a year to send your munchkin to fifth grade? Fuck the fucking people.

    But his kids are sharing a room. Probably has composite countertops too. We should weep for him.

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    Punchy says:

    His 10-year- old daughter is a student at $32,000-a-year Poly Prep Country Day School in Brooklyn

    Can somebody help me lift my jaw off the floor? And over to the local school board, where I plan to file for a license to open up a “Day School”?

    Good fucking lord, just what kind of elementary education does one get for this price? Does it include a Lexus or HPLC?

    Ed: Scooped by Mark, I see

  91. 91
    Svensker says:

    Our Cobble Hill friends are still smarting over that first year of the Great Recession in which their bonuses were cut by a bit…and they had to get used ski equipment for their kids when they went to Aspen. They had to cut back the nanny’s hours a bit, too. It was terrible.

    Fortunately they’ve rebounded and are even contemplating taking the kids out of the $40K/year Manhattan school and sending them to a “public” boarding school in England, which is quite a bit more expensive.

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    Shinobi says:

    @Martin: This.

    Not that I am anywhere close to that as I”m still just trying to get a couple month’s mortgage payment in my savings account.

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    Gravenstone says:

    Ya know, I’ve been that person who lost their job (granted, I was making big bucks at $23.5k, not a measly 18k) and was fortunate enough to be able to move back in with my parents once my lease expired. I was also down to the last $1.64 in my fucking pockets before my unemployment finally got processed (3 months into the saga). Both McAddled and her fucking bankruptcy lawyer commenter can go climb an impaling stake and end themselves, preferably on pay-per-fucking-view! Enduring a life disruption like that is hardly trivial, regardless of your starting financial situation.

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    harlana says:

    @Mark S.: honey, they can’t have their precious little mini-me’s mingling with the children of the help!

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    @Interrobang: Also, Jobs don’t just materialize, you pathetic freak, not only do you have to put yourself in the running for them, but someone else who isn’t under your control gets to decide whether you get that job or not.

    Though, as Newt tells us, the way you get off food stamps is to demand jobs. See, the reason you didn’t get hired is you weren’t demanding enough!

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Phyllis: I like brussel sprouts and that recipe sounds real good. (Mmmmmmm, bacon)

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    Persia says:

    @Dork: I don’t begrudge people dog walkers if they can afford them. The dogs have fun, people get paid.

    Treating it as a necessary expense…I’m side eyeing that.

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    ruemara says:

    Every day is fire Megan McArdle day.

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    Nutella says:

    She doesn’t write articles about the tragic losses of people like these in SF. No, only the ones who are ‘victims’ of the ruthless capitalism they tell us is good for the country and all us lazy peons. Rich people should have guaranteed incomes but poor people can sleep on mom’s couch: That’s the wonderful invisible hand taking care of us all.

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    I’d just like to apologize to good writers like TNC for not reading his stuff (I know it’s not like I actually drive traffic) because I simply refuse to give page clicks to the virtual fishwrap that is his employer. I will not reward the employers of the likes of McMegan in any way.

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    mwbugg says:

    The highlighted commenter later remarks:

    True, I pulled those numbers out of my butt to make an easy-to-read hypothetical. I haven’t had any real life clients who were THAT crazy. But it’s still true with more realistic numbers.

    I think this guy knows pulling numbers out of your butt appeals to MM.

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    inkadu says:

    @Frank: No, no, NO! The point is that rich people are BETTER than normal people. How do we know this? Because they are rich. So when they lose half their income and they haven’t saved, we should feel sorry for them and help them out because they DESERVE better from society *BECAUSE* THEY ARE RICH.

    When some middle-class schlub whose made his living off of doing professional work off a college degree loses income, it’s his own damn fault for not investing with the right company, not starting his own recession-proof business, and not putting more money into his health savings account.

    You might think it’s a double standard, Frank, but to my eyes it’s just acknowledging the value of the job creators. Nobody is going to be willing to make $2 million dollars a year unless we, as a society, engage them in a social contract to protect them from the horror of moving from Manhattan to Stamford. Seriously. Offer anyone the opportunity to make that kind of money with the risk of losing it, and I doubt you’ll find takers. Sociologist and psychologists have proven that losing something is actually worse than never having had it all. So, you know, science.

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    gnomedad says:

    @Elizabelle:

    It’s got its possibilities.

    OT, two correct uses of i-t-s in a four-word sentence! I’m dizzy. :)

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    Here’s another one from the source article:

    “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”

    Yes I can imagine it. How do you do that? You put them in fucking public school you fucking fuckwad.

    Now, Megan’s right, we don’t have to feel glee about this and we can sympathize with the disruption this represents in the kids’ life. Changing schools isn’t easy. But they’re not being sent to the workhouse or sold for medical experiments. It’s public school. Maybe now you rich assholes will be willing to put a little effort into improving the commons.

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    jibeaux says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if you make $300k, tying up 2/3 of that in fixed expenses is fucking dumb financial mismanagement of the highest order.

    Not to even mention if you make $18k, “only a couple of thousand dollars of debt” is the equivalent of $33,333 worth of debt for the person above, except it’s NOT because you could pay off that $33k in the first three months of the year with a $300k salary if you had any goddamn sense.

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    Ha ha, here’s the final line of the Bloomberg article:

    “These people never dreamed they’d be making $500,000 a year,” he said, “and dreamed even less that they’d be broke.

    Well there’s the problem in a nutshell, isn’t it. Fucking planning for the unforseeable future with ample resources at hand, how does it work?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Punchy: $32k/yr per kid is on the low side for NYC private day schools. “Day” means non-boarding.

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    PeakVT says:

    @Cris (without an H): And it’s likely to be good public school. And if it’s not, the parents have the wherewithal to lobby to get their kids into a better school in the same system. Or move.

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    jibeaux says:

    True, I pulled those numbers out of my butt to make an easy-to-read hypothetical

    That’s an update from the commenter she front-paged.

    “It’s not a statistic, it’s a hypothetical!”

    Could not make it up.

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    Dave C says:

    I think if somebody in real life said to me what the commenter in Doug’s update said, I might punch them. And I’ve never punched anybody!

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    Karen says:

    @penpen:

    Three words. John Birch Society. Ron Paul is allied with them.

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    somegayname says:

    @inkadu:

    No, no, NO! The point is that rich people are BETTER than normal people. How do we know this? Because they are rich.

    obligatory Mr Show More money = Better than . Of course, Mcmegan doesn’t realize this is satire…

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    Karen says:

    A person who was making $18k a year and suddenly finds themselves making nothing, as a practical matter, can often break their lease and move in with mom and get on food stamps until a new job materializes and wind up with only a couple thousand dollars in debt.

    So in other words, the rich are to be sympathized with because they don’t know how to be poor but the poor deserve no sympathy because they already know how to be?

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    wenchacha says:

    “…the moral flabbiness born of the exclusive worship of the bitch-goddess success. That—with the squalid cash interpretation put on the word success—is our national disease.”

    —William James

    And McArgleBargle’s a bitch, too.

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    Frank says:

    @Cris (without an H):

    These kids should never have been in private school to start with. Hell, if all it takes is a job loss or a pay cut to not be able to afford the private school, then they as parents were incredibly irresponsible to have put them in private school to start with.

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    daverave says:

    @The Other Chuck:

    Same here. I admit to reading the occasional Fallows column when I see it referenced elsewhere and it interests me but other than that I’ve completely written off the Atlantic as a source for making me think critically. TNC should definitely take his show elsewhere.

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    Phyllis says:

    @PurpleGirl: I’m only a little embarrassed to admit the basis of it came from Racheal Ray. But I’ve doctored it up a bit, as my momma used to say.

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    gnomedad says:

    @Cris (without an H):

    Fucking planning for the unforseeable future with ample resources at hand, how does it work?

    This. And a poor person hits the rocks, they’re right in there with a “grasshopper and ants” story and a prescription for austerity. OMG, some of them have phones! And refrigerators!

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    Paul in KY says:

    What a sleazebag & embarrasment to ‘Atlantic’ she is.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Interrobang: In their world, jobs do just materialize. A guy talks to a friend, “My son graduates from Harvard this year. Hasn’t an idea about how to get a job.” The friend responds, “Here’s my business card; tell him to call my assistant. Surely we can find him something.” It’s not what you know, it’s who your parents know.

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    Monkey Business says:

    “If you were making $300k a year and spending $200k of it on fixed expenses”

    …you fucked up.

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    Barry says:

    @aimai: “It just boggles my mind that she can be so sociopathic, emotionally and intellectually. IT goes against everything I believe about sentience and humanity. Its obvious that she has a rudimentary theory of mind because she grasps that her readers might feel sympathy for people if she alludes to the suffering of children. But its only rudimentary because she can’t manage to extend her argument or her field of vision to include the children of the not-rich in her discussion.”

    She’s evil. She’s not perfectly evil; IIRC I’ve seen one flash of sympathy for others from her.

    But for all practical purposes she’s evil, and her job is advocating for evil.

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    @Frank: Hell, if all it takes is a job loss or a pay cut to not be able to afford the private school, then they as parents were incredibly irresponsible to have put them in private school to start with.

    I don’t agree with that. If private school’s a priority, you pay for it. You even might go into debt for it, figuring your kids are only going to be school age for a few years. What you don’t do is act like there are no other options if your ability to pay for it does dry up.

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    Frank says:

    @Cris (without an H):

    I think we agree with each other. My point was if they are so close to not be able to afford it, and there are no other options (like a loan/line of credit or whatever) then it would very irresponsible as a parent to put them in a private school to start with only to have to yank them out shortly thereafter.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    In other news, Louis XVI and Megan McArdle were seized in Varennes while apparently fleeing from Paris. Minimum wage earners and and unemployment claimants reportedly refused to remove their hats as the royal carriage was lead back to the Tuileries Palace in ignominy. They were followed by a drum circle from Occupy. McArdle reportedly claimed they were “going to talk to an Austrian economist” and that they were not actually fleeing the country.

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    DanielX says:

    The people interviewed in this article have no idea what it’s like to worry about keeping the lights on and your family fed. Okay, fair enough – people who don’t make that amount of money have no idea of the sense of entitlement the interviewees have, nor any idea of what it’s like to keep up with others in their social/financial circle. Andrew Schiff is having to cut back from four months at the shore to one month? Worried about how to keep up on the $32 fucking K for little Heather’s day school? That is just as traumatic, if not more so, than somebody’s spouse having to cut back on his or her heart medications because the spouse lost a job and the couple no longer has health insurance.

    To paraphrase, these people can’t imagine a world in which they are no longer at the top of the socioeconomic heap as they perceive it. They’ve been saying for years that they deserve every penny they get paid because the market determines what they get paid, right? Guess what, assholes – the market has determined that you’re not worth what you used to be worth. Welcome to the same world that the rest of your fellow citizens live in. Look at it as a learning opportunity.

    More sickening details about thisworld view at the link…

    The Wail Of The 1%

    http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/56151/

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    BC says:

    He knew what he was doing, even though he is a lot dumber than his father (who was also a jerk).

    I’m so glad you mentioned what a jerk Billy Graham is, since there are few in this country who do so. My big beef with BG is that, after MLK died, BG talked about the “pact” they had, where MLK would go do the civil rights thing and BG would do the converting thing. Talk about false witness . . . doesn’t stop even when they’re dead.

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    PeakVT says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Wow. I know things are more expensive in NYC, but $32K at the low end seems really high.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Dork: It was $17/DOG per instance, so there’s your missing expense. Granted, it doesn’t answer your question of why dog walkers in the first place.

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    Gretchen says:

    @Brachiator:
    I would love to watch “Formerly Rich try a Middle Class Lifestyle”. I hope a tv producer is reading.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Cris (without an H):

    It’s my observation that folks whose incomes rocket to unexpected heighte throw a ruler down on graph paper and draw the upward sloping line out into the future. Using this $500k example, they’ll quickly adapt a $600k lifestyle and expect everything to fall into place.

    It’s why we have thousands of unoccupied suburbab mcmansions within fifty miles of here.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    How about you dont buy a fuckin boat and dont send your kids to private school and buy a house that fits your needs instead of your pee-pee complex

  133. 133
    gogol's wife says:

    @BGinCHI:

    All I did was read the quotation embedded in the post and I will be nauseated for the rest of the day. Is this really not a parody?

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    cat says:

    @Svensker:

    Fortunately they’ve rebounded and are even contemplating taking the kids out of the $40K/year Manhattan school and sending them to a “public” boarding school in England, which is quite a bit more expensive.

    You should call child services on them. Any parent that sends their US based kids to a british public school is a criminal. The only upside is maybe their children are smart enough to want to run away from home and figure a US boarding school isn’t far enough.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    Let me make this clear: no one ever makes enough money to justify buying their own fuckin boat unless they make money hauling shit out of the sea

    You dont deserve a boat, you dont need a boat, dont buy a boat, jesus christ

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @PeakVT: Maybe not “low end”, but it’s very easy to spend more.

  137. 137
    AA+ Bonds says:

    Why not just dig a big fuckin pit in your backyard and burn money in it and call it the SS I Deserve To Starve

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    Barry says:

    @flukebucket: “And back on topic, I have seen and read you guys talk about Megan McArdle and usually just don’t pay it much attention but I must admit sympathy for the rich is one of the god damndest things I have ever read.”

    It’s not just that; browser her back columns, and see what her sympathy for actual middle and working class people is.

  139. 139
    AA+ Bonds says:

    If my family members spent the kind of money that all these stories claim goes along with their respective incomes then they would all be fucked financially and I would have grown up a fucking asshole like Megan McArdle

    Thankfully, my family are Christians and not fake-ass Prosperity Gospel heretics

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    Remember that Congressman who explained that his seven-figure income wasn’t really that much once you started factoring in how he had to buy stuff with the money, which really cut into how much he got to keep? This is really how these people think. They’re monsters.

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    penpen says:

    @Karen: that’s more of why Ron Paul is no magic unicorn escape hatch himself — I’m looking more to combat those making the related argument that dems and repubs are exactly the same.

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    Barry says:

    @PurpleGirl: “@Interrobang: In their world, jobs do just materialize. A guy talks to a friend, “My son graduates from Harvard this year. Hasn’t an idea about how to get a job.” The friend responds, “Here’s my business card; tell him to call my assistant. Surely we can find him something.” It’s not what you know, it’s who your parents know:”

    http://exiledonline.com/megan-.....ized-brat/

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    28 Percent says:

    I was lured in by the title, but I’m disappointed by the lack of references to the heart McMegan doesn’t have.

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    Dear The Atlantic. I am willing to do McArdle’s job for half the price. I promise to deliver twice the inanity and twice the snark for that low, low price.

    Seriously, though. What does this woman have to do to get fired?

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    PeakVT says:

    @asiangrrlMN: Write something useful and fact-based, apparently.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Oddly enough, the very same congressman who believed the Onion’s story about an 8,000 square foot abortion facility and put it on his Facebook page.

    Oh, and the good congressman is a doctor.

    Ladies and gentlemen: Representative John Fleming

    Coming to another clusterf*ck near you, soon.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Svensker: My only experience with English boarding schools is from soap operas. Kids get sent there when they are no longer cute and three months later come back to take on the late teenager roles. Must be hellish places. They age kids 7-8 years in just a matter of months.

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    Barry says:

    @asiangrrlMN: “Seriously, though. What does this woman have to do to get fired?”

    Go leftist, although being a liberal would proabably be enough. Start publishing scathing columns about the financial crimes of our elites, and watch how fast the brass decide that she’s no long fit to be a business and economics editor.

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    Elizabelle says:

    ABL blogged about Fleming in February.

    John Fleming (R-Idiot) fell for a nine-month-old hilarious article in The Onion which touted the grand-opening of an Abortionplex:

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    makewi says:

    The rich suck and deserve no sympathy. Unless they’re liberal like Sorros or Clinton or Gore – in which case we’ll love them anyway cuz we’re massive, massive hypocrites.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Suffern ACE: In those places, all in all, you’re just another brick in the wall.

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    ciotog says:

    I thought poor people didn’t have parents, plural, who have a house, singular. Isn’t that why they’re poor, according to Charles Murray?

  153. 153
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @makewi: When was the last time Soros, Clinton, and Gore complained about vicissitudes in their income?

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    That, as opposed to JFK’s eloquent speech, made me want to throw up. But Rih has his priorities in order.

    ::runs screaming from the computer and returns to actual work::

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    trollhattan says:

    @penpen:

    I’m not good at summarizing complicated things, but it seems the gulf between Ron Paul’s philosophy and that of the Democratic Party is essentially bottomless. A Venn diagram would have the Dem’s circle in the middle left-hand of the page and Ron Paul’s circle in Texas.

    Democrats want a government attuned to the peoples’ needs and that responds to them speedily and effectively.

    Ron Paul wants little or no government of any kind and believes hard work fixes everything for everybody. We’re still trying to figure out how his son fits in.

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    Chris T. says:

    @harlana: She’s paid not to understand it. As Upton Sinclair noted.

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    penpen says:

    @makewi: This is really sterling work missing the point completely.

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    Cheap Jim says:

    Sounds like some folks are learning they are well-compensated members of the working class, not members of the owner class.

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    @PeakVT:
    @Barry:

    I actually thought of this after I hit “Submit”. She’s at The Atlantic precisely because of who she is – not despite it.

    ::sigh::

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    Surly Duff says:

    I tried to read the article, and then I got to this statement from McCardle,

    “One of the guys in the article makes $350,000 and lives in 1200 square feet with three kids. This is the way the lower rungs of the lower middle class lives in the rest of the country.”

    And I had to light myself on fire. Is there some desire in her to continually pimp the notion that a $300k salary in NYC is the same as someone making $20k in Alabama? She routinely publishes the most moronically mendacious crap I have ever read.

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    Ruckus says:

    @ruemara:
    Go for it.
    Civility is an illusion at best.

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    penpen says:

    @trollhattan: Actually, I’m looking for rebuttals to the common Paulite trope that Romney and Obama (or Repubs and Dems) are exact corporatist equivalents.

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    tejanarusa says:

    Karen @111: yes, and the rest of the implication is that since poor people already know how to be poor, being out of work and out of a home and with no job prospects doesn’t keep them up at night like it does good upper middle class folks.

    I’d like to get my hands on a couple of these people…and take them to meet a few people (after I tell them my own story, of course).

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Surly Duff: To give her IMMENSE benefit of the doubt, she probably means that the square footage and close quarters would be similar, not the money. But she didn’t write it very clearly. You might start to get the idea that she’s a lousy writer _and_ a terrible business and economics analyst!

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    Brachiator says:

    Money Changes Everything
    She said I’m sorry baby I’m leaving you tonight
    I found someone new he’s waitin’ in the car outside
    Ah honey how could you do it
    We swore each other everlasting love
    She said well yeah I know but when
    We did–there was one thing we weren’t
    Really thinking of and that’s money–

    Patsy Cline, A Poor Man’s Roses (Or a Rich Man’s Money)
    I must make up my mind today
    What to have, what to hold
    A poor man’s roses
    Or a rich man’s gold

    And Good Charlotte, Lifestyles of the rich and famous

    I think we should rob them

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    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick says:

    shorter mcardle: hurt pride is worse than an empty stomach.

    having been pulled out of a private school because the parent that could pay; post-divorce, simply didn’t think, i, personally, was worth it.it makes the parents having to suck it up and tell the kids they are broke, and the kids having to accept that shit happens seem quaint.

    fuck that would have made me a lot happier, were it true. its easy to blame shit you have no control over, kids do it all the time. they adapt.

    sorry not buying the kids part either. the kids would just find poorer kids to feel superior to, if that is their need.

    it really is just about believing that your entire value is in the numbers on paper, and the status it permits you to demonstrate.

    if you look at someone making 25k per year as the same thing as someone who is living on someone’s couch, then you see no status change, therefore no pain.

    so much for respecting pride and work-ethic and all that shit. take this one out when megan starts talking all about the wonders of conservative base populism in a few months.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    The issue here isn’t that Blenderella is a sociopath: we’ve known that for years. It’s that she’s cultivated a fanbase of like-minded sociopaths.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @makewi:

    The rich suck and deserve no sympathy. Unless they’re liberal like Sorros or Clinton or Gore – in which case we’ll love them anyway cuz we’re massive, massive hypocrites.

    Sorry, I missed where Soros, Clinton or Gore was complaining about how haaaard it is to live on a measly $300,000 a year. Do you have links?

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    makewi says:

    OK, my bad. So long as the wealthy don’t complain about their wealth then you guys are fine with them. I’ll keep that in mind for the next class warfare thread.

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    Martin says:

    @Gretchen: We need Big Brother for job creators. Stuff 18 of them into a house with nothing but peanut butter in the fridge and watch them go full Lord of the Flies within hours.

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    trollhattan says:

    @penpen:

    Oh, that. Lumpers gonna lump.

    I guess you can start with Romney actually being one (corporate overlord) in real life and who remains one, through and through, with his $30M/yr income that requires no actual work on his part, amen. While Obama has never been one (the hated community organizer and career politician) but that doesn’t counter “But they both govern the same!”

    To that last, all I can say is “Let’s not ever find out if Mittens would actually be the same, m’kay?”

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    Heliopause says:

    It’s not that the $250K family is totally undeserving of sympathy, it’s that they’re way the fuck down the sympathy list. Somewhere after those in the middle class who are struggling, the working poor, the non-working poor, Afghani civilians, and so on. I promise to pray for the $250K family just as soon as I start believing in prayer and work my way down that far on the prayer list.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @makewi:

    Aww, did you get shot down trying to push another stupid meme? Poor makewi.

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    kwAwk says:

    I know that I’m probably going to get blasted around here for saying this but I can see McArdle’s point, that a drastic reduction in income, whether you’re poor or moderately wealthy can cause pain in the family.

    But McArdle seems to not understand is that the worker making $20,000 a year kind of has an excuse for living at the edge of his or her means, the person making $400,000 doesn’t have anyone to blame but themselves.

    She wants to say that people who get in financial trouble don’t do so because of luxuries, but because of overspending on the basics. However, when you are overspending on the basics you’re really spending on unneeded luxuries, you’re just disguising them and rationalizing them as basics. To some degree you’re still just showing off by needing that Mercedes which is oh so much more safe than the Jeep (and stylish too) or that private school which is so much better than the local public school (and so prestigious!).

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    Nutella says:

    Note that she quotes M. Todd Henderson in the article about trivial losses being deserving of as much pity as major losses.

    That would be the M. Todd Henderson who was world famous as a really really bad money manager and an amazingly stupid whiner. This M. Todd Henderson. He did not learn then that saying extremely stupid things in public is not a good idea, so he’s still at it. An McM is quoting the idiot approvingly.

    We definitely need some pitchforks.

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @aimai: The problem with McMegan is sort of the same as the one I had, in that my life experience was very lucky until one day it was less so, but even then I was still very lucky.
    The thing is that even though we were still ok, I suddenly understood what it was like for those other people who weren’t so lucky, hadn’t started out so lucky and who had ended up living in their cars or worse. I understood that it wasn’t because they were less virtuous, just less lucky.

    I had no perspective, and I needed that minor blow* in order to become empathetic, in order to lose that sense of entitlement that comes with complacency.
    Some people just need to be kicked down a notch or two themselves in order to see the people who really do not have it anywhere near as good.

    Oh, and what you tell the kids when you have to move them to a new school mid-year or even late in the semester like we did, is that we are all going to have an adventure, things are going to change, but we will all be together. It’s the truth.

    *Minor compared to what McMegan is talking about. Seemed like a hell of a lot to us.

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    Riilism says:

    WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RICH CHILDREN!!!!!!…..

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    Jess Sane says:

    Unless your children are in a pricey private school, they won’t make the right personal connections with other rich kids that eventually give them a plush job at a once-repectable magazine despite a lack of any real skill or talent.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Dork:
    I wonder if he pays that much for someone to walk his kids.

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    Brachiator says:

    @kwAwk:

    But McArdle seems to not understand is that the worker making $20,000 a year kind of has an excuse for living at the edge of his or her means, the person making $400,000 doesn’t have anyone to blame but themselves.

    Why is it necessary to try to apportion blame? This is as ugly and as ridiculous as McArdle’s suggestion that the wealthy are hurt more than are the poor by an economic catastrophe.

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    daveNYC says:

    @Surly Duff: And what she uses as the example is housing, which is the single most borked aspect of living here. Not that 1200 square feet is that horrible either.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Nutella:

    That would be the M. Todd Henderson who was world famous as a really really bad money manager and an amazingly stupid whiner.

    Oh my god, that mole stuck its head up out of the hole? He was exactly who I was thinking of when I skimmed her post, the desperately status-conscious yuppie who needed a high-visibility high-status life to compensate for… something.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Cheap Jim: Precisely this. Making $350k/yr in NYC you’re just a worker drone like all the other worker drones. A well-compensated one, but a drone — you’re not an “owner” or a “maker” of shit, really.

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    Ruckus says:

    @scav:
    Alright everyone.

    Rusty chainsaws at the ready.

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    rea says:

    “When you ain’t got nothin’, you’ve got nothin’ to lose.”–Meagan channels Dylan

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @scav: Iodized.

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    kwAwk says:

    @Brachiator

    I don’t know that it is really necessary, I think it’s just an observation to explain why people tend to have less sympathy for rich people who experience economic problems.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Interrobang:
    Dad’s long gone, mom just turned 94 and is bedridden in hospice.
    Ain’t moving in there. Got no kids, at least I don’t have to see them suffer but then again I can’t mooch off them either.

    I am in this boat and I’d just about give up every scruple I’ve acquired to have a $125K job. Maybe that’s the secret. Have no scruples. Whatsoever. Now it makes sense.

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    Brachiator says:

    @kwAwk:

    I don’t know that it is really necessary, I think it’s just an observation to explain why people tend to have less sympathy for rich people who experience economic problems.

    Oh, that I understand, even though I think it is largely misguided. But McArdle is just an asshat in trying to offer a correcting perspective.

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    Birthmarker says:

    The 1200 square feet with three kids in the lower rung of the lower middle class may be a trailer.

    Seriously, this is so bad that I would expect that she will have to walk it back, or might really lose her job.

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    GregB says:

    I feel really bad for ridiculing the plutocrats now that I know they suffer so much more than the little people.

    I’m going to save all of my change that I usually give to the homeless and find an appropriate at risk multi-millionaire to give a hand up.

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @Dork: You think those dogs eat dry dogfood that comes in a bag?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Also, too, this is specifically the whine of the urban over-privileged. My dad owned his own company so, yes, I grew up fairly rich. But he also specifically decided to raise us in a North Shore suburb with really good public schools so he didn’t have to spend the extra money on private schools. When my mom got a “fancy” car, it was a Chrysler, and my dad drove the station wagon.

    So, no, I don’t have a whole lot of sympathy for people who get themselves into financial trouble because they “had” to have a Mercedes or because little Madison “had” to go to the $30K private school instead of moving the family to a suburb with good public schools and Mom and/or Dad sucking it up with a longer commute.

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    srv says:

    Did one of the Koch brothers lose his job? Cause I don’t understand how her post is relevant.

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    Surly Duff says:

    @Birthmarker:
    Seriously doubt it. More likely she may prevaricate, try to argue that she was never advocating sympathy for the rich, and accuse others of lying about what she said, even when using her own quotes. But she will never, ever walk it back. And she will not get fired.

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    harlana says:

    @asiangrrlMN: you are a gazillion times a better writer but you’re not shallow enough – plus, i get the feeling you have core principles

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    opie_jeanne says:

    @Linnaeus: The boat comment was when I noticed steam coming out of my ears.

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    dms says:

    @jl:

    Speaking of which:

    Here:

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    Nutella says:

    Here’s the complete Henderson quote from the original Bloomberg article:

    M. Todd Henderson, a University of Chicago law professor who’s teaching a seminar on executive compensation, said the suffering is relative and real. He wrote two years ago that his family was “just getting by” on more than $250,000 a year, setting off what he called a firestorm of criticism.
    __
    “Yes, terminal diseases are worse than getting the flu,” he said. “But you suffer when you get the flu.”

    To them, more than 250k and 450k are the same. To most of us, a 200k difference makes a difference.

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    harlana says:

    you people! i finally caved – i’ve read (or at least, tried to read) at least 2 posts by this McArdle wench!

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    Comrade Dread says:

    @opie_jeanne:

    I had no perspective, and I needed that minor blow* in order to become empathetic, in order to lose that sense of entitlement that comes with complacency. Some people just need to be kicked down a notch or two themselves in order to see the people who really do not have it anywhere near as good.

    Sometimes we’re all guilty of building a nice bubble around ourselves until reality comes crashing in.

    Heck, it took a near depression as a result of decades of conservative-libertarian economic ideas for me to ditch libertarianism and realize just how badly that idea fails in the real world.

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    Brutusettu says:

    More good news from Lee (Megan quoted Lee earlier)

    Actually the $18k guy can usually afford to hire me (Chapter 7s are cheap… it’s a volume business) but he doesn’t need to because he doesn’t have anything anybody can take. A fair percentage of my job involves surprising people with the delightful news that they are too broke to need a bankruptcy.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Brutusettu:

    Time for the return of the “lucky duckie” meme?

    “So poor, bankruptcy don’t hurt ’em. Lucky duckies!

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    nitpicker says:

    I really think McCardle can’t read. She writes this:

    I could understand the laughter if the people in the article had been moaning about how terrible and unjust it is to be forced to suffer along on $350,000 a year.

    From the article:

    Schiff, 46, is facing another kind of jam this year: Paid a lower bonus, he said the $350,000 he earns, enough to put him in the country’s top 1 percent by income, doesn’t cover his family’s private-school tuition, a Kent, Connecticut, summer rental and the upgrade they would like from their 1,200-square- foot Brooklyn duplex. “I feel stuck,” Schiff said. “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.”

    In other words, this guy is whining not because he can’t eat, because he’s unemployed or because he’s going to lose his house, but because he can’t live the way he wants, which is better than you, you dirty fuckers.

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    Tone In DC says:

    @Martin:

    That’s just plain mean.

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    Herbal Infusion Bagger says:

    My kid stopped whining about access to electronic gadgets when he went to summer music camp, which had a homeless kid also attending that told him he was lucky to have a home.

    McMegan doesn’t have the gumption of my kid.

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    Nylund says:

    The update reminds me of a fax that I found in the company machine directed to my former boss from a financial investment firm. It was titled, “How living off $300k is harder than living off $30k and how we can help you.”

    It was all about how much harder it was to live in a world of private schools, fancy houses, and charity galas than it is to not be rich. It was the kind of thing that made me wanna start a riot.

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    DanielX says:

    Pulling…hands…from…keyboard… Must…not…engage…troll…

    Aw, fuck it.

    @makewi:

    Yeah, that’s pretty much it. I don’t have a problem with wealthy people as such, I do have problems with the attitudes that seem to accompany wealth or even a mid six figure income, which is not the same as being wealthy. I thought being careful with your money and spending well under your means were kind of conservative concepts, as was/is the idea that the market determines what kind of income you’re supposed to have, based on your skills and experience. (Also, too, as in McMegan’s case, to whom you’re related.) As I noted earlier, people like the guys described in the Bloomberg piece are all about the market determining value.

    Back when Chrysler and GM were about to go under, I read (and heard, personally) a lot of comments to the effect of “greedy auto workers, fuck’em. They’re not worth what they’re paid in this country, we’re in a global economy. Let them take fourteen bucks an hour and be happy they’re still employed.” This from the likes of people with exactly – exactly – the same attitude of entitlement displayed by some of the folks in the Bloomberg article. Now that the market has determined they’re not worth what they thought they were worth, they’re all butthurt because they can’t spend like they used to, and it’s just not supposed to be like this, and it’s just awful. The lack of self awareness, much less intellectual consistency, is something to behold.

    Let it be noted, also, that these guys who were used to making $300K-500K annually are not truly wealthy, in the grand scheme of things. They look wealthy to someone like me, much less someone making minimum wage, but they’re really not. Which again is where the lack of self awareness, not to mention irony, comes in. These guys thought they were part of the masters of the universe class, and now they’re finding that they are well paid working stiffs (less well paid than they used to be), and they’re having to lower their expectations and standard of living. Isn’t that what conservatives preach when times are tough, that and exercising more hard work and some ingenuity to make up the difference between what they make and what they want to make? One can understand their emotions at having their income cut by half, but they’re a long way from being in danger of losing homes, or cars, or not being able to afford groceries or medications.

    So I don’t resent guys like this, but I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for them either, because they don’t need my sympathy. They have to adjust their lifestyle? They’re just living in the world that everybody else lives in, where when times are hard you have to make “tough decisions” and “sacrifices”, just like that Randian asshole Paul Ryan says. Again, they’re not giving up groceries, they’re giving up vacation time and private schools (maybe), and they still live better than probably 90% of the people in this country. I’m supposed to feel bad for them? Not too much.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @nitpicker:

    The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach

    News flash. For this guy and his type, it always will be.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Nylund:

    A friend is in HR at a big mutual fund. They’ve been through several layoff rounds, partly due to outsorcing and partly “because of the recession.”

    Severance is generous compared to what I’ve experienced–a month’s salary per year of service. But wait, there’s more! The higher up the corporate ladder one is, the bigger the multiplier. Somebody working at the print shop will only get 1x but senior folks might get 4 or 5x. My friend has handed out 7-figure checks.

    The rules are different. Full stop.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @nitpicker: “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.”

    One cried because one had no view of the park, till one met a man forced to summer in Brooklyn.

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    Michele C says:

    @jl: I just made a delicious brussels sprouts recipe with dried large lima beans. Vegetarian, filling, and very, very tasty. You sauté a pound of brussels sprouts in butter (or olive oil for vegan) until they’re brown. Then add some vegetable stock and some minced garlic. Then add already cooked large lima beans (or gigantes or butter beans), but use either from dried or canned kind, not the frozen so it’s nearly like fresh kind. I ended up using two cans of butter beans (rinsed) because my pressure cooker sprayed the dried beans all over yesterday and I had to improvise. Simmer until everything’s heated. Then, add some fresh herbs (whatever you have that tastes good), or, if you don’t have any fresh use pesto. I also added hot pepper flakes while cooking the brussels sprouts because I love heat and grated parmesan cheese on top when I served. It’s a one-dish meal and really tasty.

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    Riilism says:

    Let’s not forget that these are kids we’re talking about–we shouldn’t take joy in uspetting them, even if their parents happen to make a lot more money than we do.

    Yes, McArgle-bargle, strawmen everyone takes joy in upsetting rich children. But the joy is not in their suffering, per se, you tone-deaf moron my love, but joy in the realization that exposing these kids to a public school education may prevent a few of the more susceptible ones from taking up a sociopathic libertarian lifestyle . I realize that this may mean a drop in future sales of overpriced kitchen gadgets attendance at future Koch sponsored self-indulgent greed orgies events, but them’s the breaks, you selfish, self-centered,…, HOW DARE YOU, of ALL people, tut-tutting others regarding their lack of concern for their fellow human beings, Dear GAWD!, the irony of you, of ALLL people,…, that’s IT, I fucking quit the human race if lousy, pathetic, sloppy, dishonest purveyors of such clap-trap are given a forum and a salary at prestigious magazine while actually talented individuals putter along in impoverished obscurity,… ENOUGH Atlantic, time for you to part ways with this parasite if you expect to retain even a shred of your former prestige toots…

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    L2P says:

    Quote from McArdle:

    “Likewise, when middle class people take out a mortgage that’s perfectly affordable on the income they’ve been enjoying for years, and then lose the house because they suddenly saw that income cut in half, we don’t feel a delicious sense of joy because they finally got what was coming to them.”

    This after 3 years of her telling us how middle-class people losing their homes is Just What They Deserve for not being better caretakers of their money.

    Christ, what a bitch she is.

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    Surly Duff says:

    @FlipYrWhig:
    Oh, I know she was referring to square footage, but 1200 square ft of condo in NYC (likely) includes granite countertops, hot water, and a front door that locks. 1200 square ft in the lowest of the low rungs of America is probably a trailer, but yeah, I can see how it is almost exactly the same.

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    Coca leaves & Pearls says:

    @gnomedad

    How about “Qu’ils mangent de la bechamel” as a tag instead?

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    Nylund says:

    Another factor I’ve noticed with my bankruptcy clients

    In other words, the people that pay him thousands of dollars to handle their financial problems tend to have money, therefore, people with money have more financial problems!

    There’s a pretty big hole in that bit of logic if you ask me.

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    scav says:

    @opie_jeanne: No wonder my fries taste funny.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    Of course – recombine households, and THEN seek food stamps!

    Lucky Ducky Lives!

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    Surly Duff says:

    @Michele C:

    Since your recipe does not utilize a $3000 small appliance or Pink Pakistani salt, it would not be worthy of the high culinary tastes of our esteemed Atlantic blogger. Thanks for the recipe anyway.

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    Sour Kraut says:

    The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach

    …and so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @nitpicker:

    “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.”

    Yes, it is surely a Tantalus legend for our times.

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    Herbal Infusion Bagger says:

    To some degree you’re still just showing off by needing that Mercedes which is oh so much more safe than the Jeep (and stylish too) or that private school which is so much better than the local public school (and so prestigious!).

    It’s the weirdness of where the empathy is directed by McMegan and her commentators.

    In her and her commenter’s clients’ social circles, they’d consider sending your kids to public schools, or even a parochial school, as child abuse. Because obviously the more you’re dropping on your child’s education the better it is. And the more opportunity to network for your career when picking the kids up. So sending your kid to a public is a humiliation and a step down socially.

    But, as we know, the hurt fee-fees of the rich top 1-10% take precedence over the struggles to make ends meet of the bottom 90%.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @L2P: I thought she only got a delicious sense of joy from her thousand-dollar bechamel blender.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Herbal Infusion Bagger: When you’re accustomed to privilege and perks, losing them feels like a tragedy, mostly because your sense of tragedy is badly warped. It’s like how some students who have always gotten A’s crumble to dust when they get a B.

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    ericblair says:

    @Coca leaves & Pearls:

    How about “Qu’ils mangent de la bechamel” as a tag instead?

    Works for me, because needing a $1500+ machine to make Cream of Nothing sauce shows exactly how miserably badly these people manage money. Looks like the world would be much better off if we taxed the shit out of them, since then, per Arglebargle, they’d be used to not summering in the Hamptons and therefore not miss it; and also, these people would stop pissing resources away on stupid fucking shit.

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    Can I just say that my decision to go off the McArdle beat for a while is looking better and better?

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    MCA1 says:

    @jibeaux: Agreed. It’s the fixed vs. not fixed that maybe needs more attention here. I’m fortunate enough to be in that general range of income, and just off the top of my head in 2 minutes I jotted down expenses we could cut, tomorrow, that equal about 25% of my post-tax expense outflow. Of course, half of that “expense” is actually “savings,” but whatever, you drop income for awhile, you drop saving for awhile. I know the lifestyles of the people McArdle and her reader are talking about, and most of them are nowhere near having “fixed” expenses so high they couldn’t drop them immediately. Country clubs are not lifetime obligations, and landscaping and housecleaning can, in fact, be done by the people living in the house. “Fixed” means car lease payments and mortgages and necessary utilities and bare minimum food, so, yeah, if someone making $300K (probably about $220 post-tax) has $200K of truly fixed annual expenditures, they’re waaay out on a limb.

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    Meringue says:

    Aww, the McArdle groupies are sad their bash-the-“losers” (the poor, liberals, Democrats, anyone who disagrees with toxic movement conservatives) circlejerk got spoiled by trolls daring to slight their queen.

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    ruemara says:

    Lord. I got into a slap fight with her. She is mighty thin of the skin, no? And a rotten cook.

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    BruceJ says:

    @It’s a heckuva lot harder when the reason you yank the kids out of school is because you’re homeless:

    Yeah especially when you’ll do 5 in the slammer for daring to put your homeless kids in adecent public school.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @ruemara:

    She is mighty thin of the skin, no? And a rotten cook.

    I think Susan of Texas has her pegged: she’s not one of those Wall Street types, though she went to college with plenty of them. She’s “just” a hack sycophant for their interests — ostensibly pro-choice, but cheering on slut-shaming for women seeking abortions, ostensibly a journalist but part of the Koch puke funnel.

    And that makes her commentariat second-order sycophants.

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    demz taters says:

    @Cris (without an H): What, you just can’t stay in the master guest bedroom?

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    ruemara says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: Is it wrong that I’m glad I got under her skin? She is rather irritating. I wonder if I should respond until she bans me. I do have a piece to write…and this is some world class distraction.

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    Carl Nyberg says:

    @gnomedad: Would you accept “guillotine begging” as a friendly amendment? It seems like a more concise tag.

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    jefft452 says:

    “We want blood, we want blood,
    let the scarlet red rivers turn our city into mud,
    we want blood”

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @ruemara:

    Is it wrong that I’m glad I got under her skin?

    No. It is a service to mankind to expose that insidious nitwit to as much shame as possible.

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    dcdl says:

    Unfortunately, it’s not just the rich people who have no understanding what it’s like to be poor or how to budget within their new income. It’s the upper middle class who does that, too. When the economic crisis started my husband lost a third of his income. We paired down our expenses, rented out our house, and are renting a place ourselves.

    I have a friend who’s husband isn’t getting the bonuses that they used to and they decided they need to budget and where complaining about that. I was asking her if they are going to pare down their kid’s activities since the two kids are in normally 4 each a month. I also asked about if they are cutting out the diet they are doing since they spend about $600 on that a month to buy the premade meals, and about cutting out a few other things, too. Nope, they aren’t but they sure are whining about not having money. Complete disconnect.

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    It’d be funny if The Atlantic finally kicked Blenderella’s innumerate ass to the curb. I’m sure she could fire up the ol’ Jane Galt blog and tell us weepy tales of selling off the $1,500 mixer.

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    Mister Papercut says:

    So did McMegan thank Mittens for reading and commenting on her blog?

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    cpinva says:

    yes, he did:

    Tell me again that Robespierre didn’t have a point.

    unfortunately, like most zealots, he pushed it too far and ended up being consumed by the revolution he helped start. a cautionary tale.

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    Nemesis says:

    My bosses daughter and husband have moved back in with Mom and Dad. The daughter and husband both lost their jobs within months of one another. Tragic. And the Mom, my boss, is at the age when she is considering retirement and such.

    Passing on the arugula and grey pupon are wildly different than moving back in with Mom.

    Go fuck yourself McMeagan. And you asswipes who post at her blog are disgusting fools.

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