Open Thread: It’s All For You

Apparently Lana Del Rey attracts a lot of haters. Her first album is definitely uneven, but how can you hate someone who can turn in a performance like this? Open thread to discuss that weighty topic or anything else you’d like.

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  1. 1
    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    Dave certainly liked it.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Repost:
    I found this story in the online edition of my old paper. My friend from Cleveland grumbles that he doesn’t get enough chances to practise his Bahasa Malaysia because all people here ever speak to him is English. Who knew we still needed volunteer English teachers from America?

  3. 3
    Oscarbob says:

    Not sure if these girls are really in their 80’s but I do love me some Margaret and Helen.

    http://margaretandhelen.com/20.....nk-razors/

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    jayboat says:

    Nice tune, great voice. Thanks for that.

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    ice weasel says:

    So, criticizing another’s taste in music is a dicey game, at best. Even if you’re right, you’re probably a cad for engaging in it. And, if a person likes something, then they do. There’s no reason to denigrate their enjoyment of something.

    So, since you posted this in a manner which obviously baits people for a response, I’ll respond thusly.

    First, like calling someone a fanboy, calling people who don’t like LDR “haters” is your way to frame the discussion but it’s not argument in and of itself.

    Second, LDR is, quite possibly, the most contrived piece of product to come from the major labels since, well, since the last contrived bit of product they released and relentlessly pushed say, oh ten minutes ago. There’s no there there. It’s all affect and posing. “Gansta Nancy Sinatra” please. Her music is, at best, juvenile and pretentious. Her performances are, at best, grossly misunderstood. This woman’s style is miles wide and a few millimeters deep. It’s all pretense and image.

    Sorry, that’s just my take and frankly, the last thing I would want to do is take the enjoyment you may get from her stuff away but, you asked for it.

    Hater? Hell no, she doesn’t merit more hate than Justin Beiber or Kelly Clarkson. It’s cotton candy. I love me some candy, this just isn’t my flavor.

    And, I don’t confuse my cotton candy with Cordon Bleu cuisine.

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    DanielX says:

    O/T, but since it’s an open thread…I read/heard something about a full bore Andrew Breitbart freakout about OWS demonstrators at CPAC yesterday (too many acronyms, this sounds like a Pentagon briefing). Being a major fan of Breitbart angst, I’d like to know all the totally delicious details.

    PS – I really want Sarah Proud and Tall to attend CPAC with a bunch of roofies and a large bottle of Judy Garland Trail Mix to feed the Young Republicans. Bring the repressed little bastards out of their anal retentive shells…videos please.

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    Lolis says:

    @ice weasel:

    gotta agree with you.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @ice weasel:

    That was very well said.

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    Cat Lady says:

    Her real name is Lizzy Grant, btw. Nice re-invention, but I don’t think she’s built to last.

    ETA: ice weasel, also too.

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    @DanielX:

    Breitbart alive and kicking:

    http://veracitystew.com/2012/0.....ers-video/

    [video embedded in the article]

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    max says:

    but how can you hate someone who can turn in a performance like this?

    I have so far managed to avoid hearing even one second of this manufactured pop sensation and you won’t bag me this day either!

    max
    [‘Nonono.’]

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    MonkeyBoy says:

    @jayboat:

    Nice tune, great voice.

    I find “glottal fry” (low pitch growling sound) an annoying, cheap, and overused vocal affect. I didn’t like it when Britney Spears introduced it into the pop scene to cover up her lack of vocal talent.

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    Canuckistani Tom says:

    I’ve got to admit, it took me a while to figure out all the rage against CPAC. The reason being that in Canuckistan, CPAC stands for Cable Public Affairs Channel (our version of C-SPAN)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPAC_%28TV_channel%29

    (Though I’ve always felt that CPAC should stand for Canadian Parliamentary Access Channel)

  14. 14
    handsmile says:

    At the moment, snow is falling with some vigor outside my window. But it’s all just a miserable tease as there will be no accumulation.

    Now is the discontent of my winter. It’s been the mildest one in memory, with not a single substantial snowstorm or a respectable spell of below-freezing weather. My own version of Seasonal Affective Disorder begins to kick in as the temperature rises.

    @DanielX: (#6)

    I believe this is the Breitbart fix you’re seeking. Nothing inspires such feats of bravery like a nice protective cordon of police:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/and.....ng-people/

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    beltane says:

    @Linda Featheringill: That video should be disseminated far and wide. That way, when the media tries to promote this individual as a Serious Person we can turn around and say “Excuse me.”

    The birther Andy Martin was notorious in legal circles for years under the name Andrew Martin-Trigona as being the most unhinged and persistent of pro se litigants, and a pathological abuser of the court system. My first job out of college was as a federal appeals court docket clerk. One of the very first things I was told was to never accept filings submitted by this person-he was sanctioned and had his own special panel of judges to deal with his bullshit. What a surprise it was then to see him being treated as a legitimate expert on legal affairs by our so-called liberal media.

    Breitbart is just as bad as Martin-Trigona and the media needs to have this shoved in their face.

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    DanielX says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Sweet sweet schadenfreude…Breitbart screaming “…you’re freaks and animals! Stop raping the people!…” is just completely wunnerful, he’s practically frothing at the mouth. Paging Dr. Feelgood, Mr. Breitbart needs a valium IV, stat…

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    harlana says:

    i didn’t know there was a name for it, Monkeyboy! hate it, too, but i do love this

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    scav says:

    Easily enough. I’d never heard of her so the following meaningless nattering is at least uninfluenced by that. Probably idn’t make it through a full minute, not my voice of tea, about the antithesis of my style, especially as it seemed overproduced. In short, complete and utter indifference so long as it comes provided with a large off/mute button. So, basically ice weasel only without the background info on what the kurfuffle is about.

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    @handsmile:

    We have [are getting] the first accumulation in weeks. Weather dot com says we got about 8 inches yesterday and will likely get a couple more today.

    The good news is the prediction of four days with temperatures above freezing. Meltdown!

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    SuperHrefna says:

    @ice weasel: I agree with you that LDR is as manufactured as a Twinkie, but I don’t agree that necessarily makes her a bad artist, just as I don’t agree that honest-to-the-bone authenticity necessarily makes for a good artist. I don’t have anything against a bit of superficial surface flash if it is well crafted. LDR annoys me because she can be an utterly incompetent performer, but the vid above gives me hope that she may get her act together. I have to say I enjoyed it – I’m still on the fence about her, but that video gave me a nudge toward the “liking” her side. That, plus the tigers in the Born To Die video who just crack me up. And the fact that I just really like alto voices. Though right now Kate Bush’s duet with a boy soprano is hitting that sweet spot in just the right place.

    Edited to fix links. Now I understand why FYWP is such a common acronym around here…

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    Jager says:

    Ms Del Rey is a publicity monster, she is in the calendar section of the LA Times about three times a week, while a friend of ours has a kid fronting a 3 piece outfit paying to play in clubs. Candis is 50 times the singer, player and writer that LDR is.

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    beltane says:

    There are already people at DKos who are afraid of a Santorum nomination. They feel he will come across as a moderate, affable fellow like Reagan. Are they seeing the same uptight, prissy authoritarian jerk I’m seeing?

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    DanielX says:

    COLD but no accumulation here…although the firewood pile on the back porch needs to be replenished. Usually by this time of the winter I’d have at least five hours on the snowblower, this year, nothing.

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    handsmile says:

    @Linda Featheringill: (#19)

    Now that’s just cruel. And then the knife-twist of describing above-freezing temperatures as “good news.”

    Okay, okay, I admit: you got to the Breitbart tape first. Sheesh! What a meanie.

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    kc says:

    Wow, that was gorgeous. Thanks.

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    harlana says:

    @beltane: what are they smoking over there?!

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    Rawk Chawk says:

    I like her voice. I think she might end up a big star.

    Her weird performance on SNL, which brought down a shit storm of reaction, proves once again there is no such thing as “bad” publicity if you use it correctly, as it appears her handlers have done.

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    amk says:

    @beltane: past dkos derangements
    rick(tx)memtum, mittmentum. nutters.

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    harlana says:

    @beltane: apparently they are missing the point that that is exactly the way independents are going to see him in the GE.

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    SuperHrefna says:

    @beltane: I think it’s just the left wing version of the right wing addiction to Threats From Outside.

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    Mark B says:

    Bleah. She’s boring. And she has a whole string section for ‘plink, plink, plink’? Most unrewarding gig ever. At least they got paid scale.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Why is there such a big fuss over this Lana del Rey? I’ve heard singers much better than her. This performance is limp and tuneless; and if she wrote the song, she needs to work on that part of her craft as well.

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    kc says:

    Geez, what a bunch of grouchy old farts. Now I think I’ll go buy her whole CD. :D

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    scarshapedstar says:

    Because there are other people who can turn in a performance like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9KrotLtC-Y

    Heck, even Tom Waits has a prettier voice than LDR.

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    burnspbesq says:

    College lacrosse starts in earnest today. Yay! Four months of the best game ever invented by man.

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    beltane says:

    @harlana: It’s the same people who were afraid of Newt Gingrich because of his appeal to white southerners. They are failing to understand that the qualities that make a candidate attractive to the Republican base are not the same qualities that appeal to the public at large. We’ve reached the point where conservatives have their own clearly defined subculture that is very much at odds with the culture of the mainstream.

    Back when I was a kid, for example, family planning was a favorite cause of upper and upper-middle class Republican ladies. Now the party is nothing more than a group of misfits determined to undo the 20th century, a counter-cultural movement if ever there was one. I am sorry we have to fight these battles but I am not afraid of fighting them.

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    handsmile says:

    @beltane: , @amk: , @harlana:

    To be fair to our brethren at the Great Orange Satan, I seem to recall more than a few threads on this humble blog prattling about the viability of the Hermanator and the inevitability of Governor Goodhair.

    Page clicks and readership capture are no less important over there.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    “Why is there such a big fuss over this Lana del Rey?”

    De gustibus non disputandum. There are actually sentient people on this planet who hate Bach. Go figure.

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    isn’t this the same performer who bombed on SNL a couple of weeks back? Or am I mistaken. Can’t keep track of all the bubble gum mashed into the pavement these days.

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    MattF says:

    Well, I don’t know. There are some singers who are a one-person genre, which you can either like or not like (e.g., Jolie Holland, who I like). Based on the LDR clip, I don’t like.

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    scarshapedstar says:

    @lonesomerobot:

    Yep. Otherwise known as “that one that made Ashlee Simpson look talented”. At least she did a hoe-down.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Mark B:

    Hold the balloting open. There are plenty of musicians whose early work barely hinted at the good stuff that was to come later. Listened to the first Little Feat album lately?

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    kindness says:

    This woman is everywhere. She played a short set at Ameoba Records yesterday.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @lonesomerobot:

    It’s the death throes of the “Recording Industry” we’re witnessing here, as they desperately try to keep themselves relevant in the face of a many to many distribution system that has no use for parasite middlemen.

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    MariedeGournay says:

    Pop music: the only genre left where people argue over which faux-authenticity is more real.

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    handsmile says:

    @burnspbesq: (#38)

    Pedant alert: De gustibus non est disputandum.

    “Sentient people hating Bach”? Link or it didn’t happen. Much like Liverpool’s defense in the second half.

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    Brachiator says:

    Apparently Lana Del Rey attracts a lot of haters. Her first album is definitely uneven, but how can you hate someone who can turn in a performance like this?

    Because her performance on SNL was a amateurish mess. A one off performance is cool, but you have to be able to consistently deliver. For now she is, at best, mildly diverting.

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    kth says:

    Sounds like one of several tracks from Cat Power’s You Are Free, but glib instead of painful.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Same old tripe. No more true than it was 10 years ago. You’re not the average consumer, and believing you are leads you to believe silly things that are not and never will be true.

    Never forget that the two largest retailers of recorded music in this country are Apple and Wal-Mart, and that’s not changing any time soon. The combined subscriber bases of Pandora, last.fm, Spotify, and MOG aren’t even a rounding error.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Oscarbob:

    Margaret and Helen have a new one up, already. They have been prolific of late. Although how could they pass on such good material as current events during the wingpocalypse.

    http://margaretandhelen.com/20.....tch-ellen/

    100,000 Gay Kids Secretly Watching Ellen

  52. 52

    @Jager: And LDR’s father is a hedge fund guy who is basically buying her career. Seriously. That’s why people dislike her.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @bruce- so the first lady didn’t spend 50,000 on underwear and didn’t close down Manhattan so she could treat it as her personal Rosedale shopping mall on a weekday? And the illustrious Daily Telegraph reports gossip as fact? Well I’ll be darned…

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    MonkeyBoy says:

    @harlana:

    i didn’t know there was a name for it, Monkeyboy! hate it, too, but i do love this

    Yes, Björk is an amazing vocally acrobatic singer. In the clip you linked there were two brief instance of a phrase-initial low pitch growl. Real “glottal fry” if it occurs is phrase-final and sounds like the voice has run down into low pitched noise. Last December a paper came out saying that in the US a new female sub-dialect is emerging that emphasizes glottal fry. Across the net I saw discussion, some links to TV shows to show extreme cases, and some suggestion that this may be a “bored” reaction to perky Valley Girl speech that ends each phrase on a pitch rise. This Language Log entry gives a bunch of pointers, though it doesn’t capture the breadth of the discussion.

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    @Amir Khalid: As I just stated. It’s because her father is buying her career. She can’t even fake the passion for singing.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    It’s the death throes of the “Recording Industry” we’re witnessing here, as they desperately try to keep themselves relevant in the face of a many to many distribution system that has no use for parasite middlemen.

    Ah, if I had a nickel for every time someone predicted the end of the “recording industry.”

    Middlemen serve a purpose, if only to weed out the innumerable insufferable undistinguished “indie” bands that sprout like weeds.

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    Judas Escargot says:

    @ice weasel:

    There’s no there there. It’s all affect and posing.

    This.

    I’ve heard more talented voices at karaoke bars, frankly.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I like Lana Del Rey. Yes, she’s a product of marketing, but Lady Gaga owes a debt to Madonna as well. I don’t remember thinking Nancy Sinatra was all that “authentic.”

    And if this iteration doesn’t work out, Lizzy Grant’s got a brilliant future as a Pantene model.

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    Mark B says:

    @burnspbesq: Fair enough, I’m not judging her future potential, just the clip I saw. I’m the sort of person who gives female performer extra leeway if they’re really attractive. However, Lana’s stellar looks can’t cover over the really lifeless, flat and dull rendition of this particular song. And the arrangement is extra annoying, because they do nothing with it. She’s comes accross like Judy Collins on some sort of barbiturate, and not in a good way. She might end up eventually being a good artist, but I don’t see a whole lot of potential displayed in this particular clip. To be fair, this is all I’ve seen or her, but in my opinion, it’s not good. Not good at all.

    P.S. I like Cat Power a lot. It’s a similar genre, but she’s an electric performer.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Phil Perspective:

    And LDR’s father is a hedge fund guy who is basically buying her career. Seriously. That’s why people dislike her.

    That’s a dumb reason to hate a performer. She has to stand or fall on her own talent.

  62. 62
    SuperHrefna says:

    LDR’s voice reminds me so much of Andrew Eldritch’s. It’s all very Goth. Thinking about it, the fact that I wore out my first copy of First & Last & Always as a teen may explain a fair bit of my fondness for LDR…

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    Mark B says:

    @Mark B: Obviously I should not edit my posts just as the clock is running out. I tried to improve a sentence and ended up murdering it.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Brachiator:
    And this one’s lack of talent is reason enough not to care for her performance.

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    Schlemizel says:

    @handsmile:
    In all fairness I think there are potential dangers in Willard, the slimey amphibian, Good hair and a couple others. I don’t think we should sell them short in certain areas that could, at least in theory, affect the outcome of the election. But Ol Frothy?!?! The media hates him almost as much as they hate Mitt but he couldn’t pretend to be a moderate to save his life. He is a mental midget who can’t pretend to be an ideas man. Nobody, not even a alcoholic would want to have a beer with this puckered tight sphincter even if he were buying.

    Nominating Ol Frothy would be an invitation to 27% of the popular vote and massive losses across the board. Dems should be working for his campaign. There are several blogs I rad the front page of but avoid the comments – GOS is one of those

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    mistermix ... World Peace says:

    I went out and shoveled for a while so I missed this discussion, but just want to say that I get it if you don’t like her voice, but the part I don’t get is the critique about her getting a lot of PR and a lot of gigs because she has a recording company contract. If your goal is to make “Hollywood Sadcore” (whatever that is), then the “Hollywood” part means you’re going to tie in with a label, because you want a lush, highly-produced sound and gigs like this one on Letterman. Yeah, the labels suck, but being an indy artist, especially a one-woman act like LDR, also sucks. Unfortunately, the greedos at the label rushed out her album with a bunch of filler, but the alternative is having a few fan videos on Vimeo, making a few bucks by selling tracks on Bandcamp, and living on ramen. She took her shot in a tough business.

    (And, to pick two examples mentioned above, Jolie Holland and Cat Power, whom I like, both of them had years to mature their voices and styles before their albums were popular. Let’s see what LDR is like in a few years.)

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    Zach says:

    Her voice is right in the middle of mediocre dream pop stuff… lots of terrible bands w/ female leads trying to rip off Beach House now (not that they’re the first to do it). Her live performances (SNL) are very bad when the music’s overly orchestrated… the piano + strings thing works a lot better than the whole SNL band plus a harp plus strings plus who knows what was in that group.

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    Sentient Puddle says:

    Yeah, apparently the SNL performance was what brought out all the hate. Although to be fair, I’m not sure I’d call anything performed on SNL’s stage these days good.

    Also, I haven’t yet listened to her at all, so I’m not passing judgment either way.

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    pragmatism says:

    Ice weasel ftw. When she admits that her name came from (paraphrasing) meetings with lawyers and advisors during her reboot from being Lizzie grant it becomes too calculated for me.

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    Billy Rae Valentine says:

    i only heard of lana del ray from 1 human until she allegedly did horribly on SNL.

    this characterization of her as some Pop sensation or hyped thing is odd to me, therefore. is she in the top 10 on the charts? going gold or platinum? on the radio? i’ve never heard about her being any of those places so how is she this big hyped thing? i had a friend who was really into her; he seems to be the type to go online and try to be up on the “hip” stuff, or to hear about hip stuff from young co-workers. that is all about all i have to lend credence to the “she’s machine-created hype” theory.

    i live in L.A. and i still never hear about her. having a show at Amoeba Records is hardly some huge thing. artists way less popular than her player there like monthly at least. it’s Grammy weekend, first of all and every music industry person is in town this week. I would say i’m more up-to-date about pop music trends than the average person and I think am slightly younger than the average poster here. idk. i just think she had SOME type of buzz but that SNL basically shot her into a higher level. she’s no more buzzed about than say, The Weeknd, who magazines and blogs have been fawning over all year.

    I can’t speak on whether she “deserves” buzz or on her talent, because i don’t care enough to listen. i heard a song in my friend’s car. i thought her voice was solid. better than mine. she’s no adele. i didn’t begrudge her a career but it wasn’t my genre so after that i never looked for more. my two cents.

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    Judas Escargot says:

    @mistermix … World Peace:

    Let’s see what LDR is like in a few years.

    I think the point is this… why?

    There’s no shortage of shitty indy-hipster-bands-with-beards out there, either. But I don’t see any pundits saying “yeah I know Mouse Rat sucks now, but just you wait and see! They’re the next Arcade Fire!” about any of those. In pop music, if you suck now, then you suck, period.

    I’ll be frank again: She has that same “Oh Daddy, I’m so crazy” vibe that Tori Amos had. A vibe that just so happens to appeal to men, especially men of Daddy-Age… men like Lorne Michaels, Dave Letterman, and most record executives. Funny coincidence, that.

    But Ms. Amos could also sing, write, play and perform with the best of them, so in her case the vibe was just one small part of her stage persona.

    This one? not so much.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @handsmile:

    ““Sentient people hating Bach”? Link or it didn’t happen”

    Three of my five siblings were known to bang on my bedroom door and yell “turn that garbage down” when I turned up the Brandenburgs. And none of them came to watch when I sang the St. John Passion at Lincoln Center with Pro Arte Chorale my senior year in high school. Philistines, the lot of them.

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    RL says:

    I like my growl-y women a little meaner.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ata_player
    And being an outdoorswoman just adds to the mystique.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Since this is the only OT around, The Guardian is reporting that 5 more senior people at The Sun were arrested today in the phone-hacking inquiry, and Rupert is flying to London to “pledge his support.” Seems like the rats are starting to eat each other at this point.

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    JWL says:

    I’d never even heard of Del Rey until earlier this week (like, on Tuesday afternoon), but I’ve been bombarded by it since then. Her publicist is doing a fantastic job. Reminds me of Lindsey Lohan. The same thing happened with her– I was suddenly, constantly, confronted with her name everywhere I turned. I resolved to ignore it, and weeks went by before someone happened to explain her celebrityhood in my presence.

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    Brachiator says:

    @burnspbesq:

    ““Sentient people hating Bach”? Link or it didn’t happen”

    A friend’s music teacher liked to invoke the old chestnut:

    When the angels play for God, they play Bach. When they play for themselves, they play Mozart–and God eavesdrops.

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Since this is the only OT around, The Guardian is reporting that 5 more senior people at The Sun were arrested today in the phone-hacking inquiry, and Rupert is flying to London to “pledge his support.” Seems like the rats are starting to eat each other at this point.

    May not be a problem. The king rat still has plenty of cheese.

    Media giant News Corporation has seen its net profits rise 65% in the three months to the end of December 2011 compared to the same period in 2010.
    __
    The company made $1.06bn (£888m) net profit in the period, up from $624m in 2010.

    Still, it’s good to see people getting at least a little nervous over this. It would be funny to see somebody like Anonymous hack the hackers and uncover some more bad deeds.

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    Al says:

    Well, I like her. The album is pleasing to my ear. Her performance on SNL was on par for other performances there; there must be something about the setting or stage that makes them perform “strangely”. Performers come in all shapes and sizes and utilize all manner of advertisements to sell themselves and their craft. I don’t feel an obligation to vet their backgrounds to determine if they are a “true artist” or not.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Judas Escargot: She’s like Tori Amos with no sex, no damage, trying but failing to fake sex and damage. Her stage name is the first and last thing they got right.

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    Billy Beane says:

    Ha…..when mistermix isn’t missing the mark on his ridiculous dot connecting blog posts, he’s showing what a terrible judge of talent he is.

    Witness one of the worst SNL performances in history. Right up there with the Ashlee Simpson lip syncing cowboy dance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zrvD-o8cII

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    Arclite says:

    I didn’t see it, but apparently her SNL performance was the worst musical performance in the history of the show.

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    Billy Beane says:

    @Arclite: That Letterman performance was much better but it’s still painfully clear she would have a hard time getting past American Idol tryout judges.

    She must know somebody or blow somebody. That’s the only way someone with such mediocre talent could get this far.

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    Mark B says:

    @Billy Beane: Wow, that’s exponentially worse than the version she did on Letterman. Shockingly bad.

    Now I know why the Letterman performance was so flat. When she tries to add emphasis, it ends up being unintentionally funny.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Arclite: I wouldn’t go that far. I remember Technotronic being the musical guest sometime when I was in college.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Billy Beane: I think she’s using the Kardashian model whereby you become a celebrity first, then parlay that celebrity into a career.

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    jayboat says:

    I guess I gotta get out more. I’d never even heard of her until this thread. Tough room in here. 8-]

    Just in one of those moods this morning and the song seemed ok and fairly well presented. I will withold judgement on the sweet young thing until I have danced a bit with her on the yoootubez.

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    Can't Be Bothered says:

    @ice weasel:

    If you don’t like contrived appearances, you must not like music. From a bunch of lower class lads from liverpool wearing suits and singing about fluff to other lads pretending to be low class blues ruffians to GaGa in an egg: The entire industry is contrivance. The entire fucking thing, and especially so for pop music. It’s hard for me to imagine any contemporary pop star that was not a product, pure and simple.

    The hater term is appropriate and you wear it well. The defining characteristic is being deliberately and vocally counter to popular opinion (ironic that this latest brand of hating is actually now the norm) with a strong emphasis on the vapid details to channel that hate. I couldn’t possibly care less about all the trappings and contrivance, if I like the music. I don’t know a single thing about her “story” or all the things beside the music that I’m supposed to care about and it would never be the basis for me not liking a song. And, whether you care to admit it, this music, you know the stuff that matters is a remarkably different entry in to pop music. This is not another Rihanna or Katy Perry or GaGa clone. If you don’t like it, I suppose I understand. But focusing on everything beside the music and being blind to the fact that this song is something new and interesting in pop music is petty. It’s a bunch of indie hipsters deciding that their little corner of music is “authentic” (hahaha) and valuing the bullshit that doesn’t matter so much more. It’s why every band that comes from that scene gets heaped with scorn the second they become “popular.” It’s all so tiresome really. Honestly, I can’t particularly comprehend why someone would not like this song, b/c it’s pretty and sounds novel at the moment.

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    RL says:

    Hey Can’t Be Bothered, re: “The entire industry is contrivance.” As a working musician, I can say with professional authority that you have not a clue.

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    Can't Be Bothered says:

    @RL:

    I can say with absolute authority that you haven’t a clue about the history of music. Who sells records?

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    Brachiator says:

    @Can’t Be Bothered:

    Who sells records?

    What’s a record?

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    Billy Beane says:

    @Brachiator: I still say 8 track is the best and will make a big comeback. You watch!

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    ice weasel says:

    @SuperHrefna: Love me some SoM. What a wonderful band.

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    RL says:

    @Can’t Be Bothered: Not trying to start a pie fight. I’m quite aware of how the sausage is made. (mmmm, pie and sausage)
    However, I do take umbrage at the comment, “If you don’t like contrived appearances, you must not like music.” That’s like saying, if you don’t like cheerleaders, you don’t like football.
    The VAST majority of musicians are out there making art for art’s sake. The part of industry that is prepackaged and heavily subsidized if a very thin sliver of the whole. (And, BTW, I have no problem with the processed cheese – heck, the first album I bought with my own money was KISS Alive.
    But it’s an insult to all of the guys and gals out there slogging away in the clubs, bars and cafes to say that if you don’t like bells and whistles you don’t like music.

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    Dylan says:

    This song finished in the top ten of the Triple J Hottest 100 last month. That’s a fairly alternative student radio contest here in Australia that compiles the top 100 tracks of the previous year. Previous winners have included Denis Leary, Nine Inch Nail, Spiderbait, Nirvana, Mumford and Sons, etc. it’s worth looking up if you’re interested in what the rest of the world might be interested in in six months time.

    I voted for it in the competition.

    Now I’ve heard the rest if the album, I think I understand why I liked it.

    I really don’t get the Sinatra thing, though.

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    Dylan says:

    This song finished in the top ten of the Triple J Hottest 100 last month. That’s a fairly alternative student radio contest here in Australia that compiles the top 100 tracks of the previous year. Previous winners have included Denis Leary, Nine Inch Nail, Spiderbait, Nirvana, Mumford and Sons, etc. it’s worth looking up if you’re interested in what the rest of the world might be interested in in six months time.

    I voted for it in the competition.

    Now I’ve heard the rest if the album, I think I understand why I liked it.

    I really don’t get the Sinatra thing, though.

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    lethargytartare says:

    @Can’t Be Bothered:

    I can’t particularly comprehend why someone would not like this song, b/c it’s pretty and sounds novel at the moment.

    because I don’t find it pretty, and it’s only novel sounding if you’re 14 or spent the last 20 years in a Carthusian monastery.

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