Tell me over and over and over again

That Komen’s not a right-wing organization (I’m looking for more sourcing on this article, FYI):

In addition to pulling funds from Planned Parenthood for The Susan G. Komen Foundation also decided to stop funding embryonic stem cell research centers making it fully transparent the organization has evolved from non-political non-profit to a partisan advocacy organization.

That means the loss of $3.75 million to the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, $4.5 million to the University of Kansas Medical Center, $1 million to the U.S. National Cancer Institute, $1 million to the Society for Women’s Health Research, and $600,000 to Yale University. That’s a loss of nearly $12 million dollars in research money to eradicate breast cancer this year alone.

That the rats aren’t fucking back this time:

Komen didn’t post on its Twitter or Facebook feeds last night, or first thing this morning. The only Komen action on their Facebook page had been to delete anti-Komen comments, so the ratio of negative to positive looks more like 10 – 1 instead of the 80 – 1 (and even higher this morning) on Twitter.

Komen’s most recent tweet was about prostate cancer in a mummy. (DOUG: they’ve done about 12 in the last couple hours.)

[…]

Take a quick look at the wall posts on Energizer’s page, and I suspect Komen has one unhappy sponsor right now (how unfortunate for Energizer to be the last update on the Komen page — it would have happened to any company in that position when the news broke)

Here’s hoping we see more of Nancy Brinker on Sunday shows soon. I love the smell of Botox in the morning.






117 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    I’m taking bets on how long before Komen starts funding faith-based healing.

  2. 2
    Cacti says:

    The Komen Foundation has reminded us of a valuable lesson…

    Never trust a Bushbot.

  3. 3
    Mark S. says:

    That’s a loss of nearly $12 million dollars in research money to eradicate breast cancer this year alone.

    Having read quite a bit about this organization today, I get the feeling the last thing on earth they want is a cure for cancer.

  4. 4
    burnspbesq says:

    Can’t wait to hear the explanation for this.

  5. 5
    MikeJ says:

    If somebody sets up komenlovespædophiles.com (linking to their funding of Penn St) I’ll be happy to put a sticker on every yoplait container in my local supermarket.

  6. 6
    Tonal Crow says:

    I’m looking for more sourcing on this article, FYI.

    From the horse’s mouth (via alternet): http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedF......30.11.pdf :

    Susan G. Komen for the Cure® has never funded human embryonic stem cell research (HESCR) nor does Komen currently fund H-ESCR. Komen supports research on the isolation, derivation, production, and testing of stem cells that…may result in improved understanding of or treatments for breast cancer, but are derived without creating a human embryo or destroying a human embryo.

    (emphasis added). BTW, komen.org is extremely slow just now. It seems:

    That the rats are[] fucking back this time…

    Yee-GOPing-ha!

  7. 7
    Tonal Crow says:

    @MikeJ: You don’t defeat Orcs by becoming one.

  8. 8
    Felinious Wench says:

    The defunding of research is going to be worse than the Planned Parenthood issue. PP is about poor women. Defunding stem cell research at major institutions is about ALL women and men affected by breast cancer…it’s disgusting on a whole new level.

  9. 9
    AxelFoley says:

    Damn, Komen is just showing its ass now. First the Planned Parenthood fiasco, and now stem cell research?

    They don’t give a fuck now, do they?

  10. 10
    piratedan says:

    masks off, sounds like the top echelon of the Komen charity will be “having a wild weekend” ;-)

  11. 11
    ChrisNYC says:

    @Tonal Crow: It’s redirecting. That’s the site (ww5.komen.org) that komen.org was redirected to last night when the komen site was hacked.

    ETA – No it’s not.

  12. 12
    MikeJ says:

    @Tonal Crow: I wouldn’t be becoming an orc, I would be pointing people towards honest information about the charity they support. So you think there’s something wrong with that?

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  14. 14

    I do believe we have a beautiful juxtaposition of many different currents here. Deeply felt and personal cause supported by bleeding heart liberals finds that their “feel good” charity is ripping them off.

    It’s the contempt, really. That they thought so little of their donor base, and knew so little about them, that they thought it would not change anything.

    Hell hath no fury.

  15. 15
    Baud says:

    I am going to miss seeing the pink uniforms during breast cancer week in the NFL and MLB. I thought it looked fab.

  16. 16
    Mark S. says:

    So how’s Megan gonna tackle this one?

  17. 17
    jeff says:

    I have thought about all the important women in my life who have suffered from breast cancer, and I decided to donate a small amount, probably similar (as a percentage of my wealth) to what Bloomberg gave. Plus, Bloomberg matched my donation.

    But I usually continue to give to organizations once I decide to support them, so I hope to contribute more as I (hopefully) have more to give.

  18. 18
    Tonal Crow says:

    @MikeJ: There are two serious problems with your suggestion. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to find them. If you can’t, you shouldn’t be anywhere near yogurt containers.

  19. 19
    shortstop says:

    @MikeJ: Nah, no need to drag the dead woman into this.

  20. 20
    Tonal Crow says:

    @jeff: Good stuff. I also donated to PP for the first time because of this fiasco.

  21. 21
    MikeJ says:

    @Tonal Crow: Why don’t you fill us in? The only problem I can find is that I used a ligature that usians are too stupid to make. make it komenlovespedophiles.com.

  22. 22
    OzoneR says:

    @Mark S.:

    I get the feeling the last thing on earth they want is a cure for cancer.

    I got that feeling 15 years ago when the Race for a Cure became a Race to get Nancy Brinker Appointed to a Plum Ambassadorship.

    Why would they want to cure cancer? They make a living off of it.

  23. 23
    piratedan says:

    @Mark S.: with some pink Himalayan salt and a bottle of Pepto Bismol.

  24. 24
    Mark S. says:

    Brinker’s next move will be to demand to see Obama’s birth certificate.

  25. 25
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @piratedan:

    Shitty in Pink.

  26. 26
    shortstop says:

    @Tonal Crow: I’m confused. Have they never funded stem-cell research or have they now pulled funding from it?

  27. 27
    Tonal Crow says:

    @MikeJ: It’s hard to believe anyone is that obtuse, but here goes: (1) The implication of the domain name is libelous unless you have good proof of it; (2) That someone donates to Penn State does not make her a pedophile or a “lover” of the same; and (3) The vast majority of Penn State employees are honorable and do good/excellent teaching/research/etc. and do not deserve to be lumped in with those accused in the recent scandal.

    Yeah, that’s 3, not 2.

  28. 28
    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @Mark S.:

    She’s hammering away on her calculator as we speak. I’m sure she’ll be yammering away at it soon, be patient. ;)

    SGK really smacked a hornets nest with these moves. I really have to question the collective intelligence of any charity that supports what they do and then making moves like this. I bet product manufacturers are in a panic about this because products are non-partisan, they are now in the middle of a very partisan fight and their products have a ‘target’ painted on each one that makes them easily identifiable.

    You can bet the boardrooms of certain companies are really steaming right now and I bet SGK is hearing it from them too.

    At least I hope so. :)

  29. 29
    Tonal Crow says:

    @shortstop:

    @Tonal Crow: I’m confused. Have they never funded stem-cell research or have they now pulled funding from it?

    Good question, but either alternative — given the emphasized passage — shows that they’re putting winger ideology ahead of curing cancer.

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    jeff says:

    @Tonal Crow:

    It’s also just a stupid idea that makes no sense whatsoever.

  32. 32
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Baud:

    If we play our cards right, you’ll still get to see them, because Komen was only one of a few charities that received the proceeds. It would be easy for MLB and the NFL to have the game and have the American Cancer Society get all of the proceeds instead of splitting them between ACS and Komen.

    And it would be a double loss for the “pro-life” brigade if that happened because they’ve been trying to demonize the American Cancer Society over stem cells for several years now.

  33. 33
    MonkeyBoy says:

    Brinker put up a YouTube explaining her position. But she didn’t turn off voting or comments.

    It is currently at 911 likes, 3,509 dislikes

    We need to direct people there to up the thumbs down.

  34. 34
    amk says:

    A charity head gets paid half a mil ‘salary’ every year ? Doesn’t irs have any rules/laws against such blatant gouging ?

  35. 35
    Baud says:

    @Mnemosyne: I thought the pink was Komen’s trademark, however. I’m not sure the leagues can use it with Komen’s ok.

  36. 36
    MikeJ says:

    @Tonal Crow: They claim not to donate to institutions under investigation, yet investigations for raping children don’;t seem to bother them.

    I think there’s no doubt whatsoever that it’s an opinion, therefore not libellous.

    If someone gives money to people that rape children, they’re supporting the raping of children. It doesn’t matter if the org is Penn St or the Catholic church. Remember, these orgs didn’t blindly hire people that did bad things without their knowledge, they covered it up after they found out. They aided and abetted after the fact.

    Thirdly, nobody ever claimed that every employee of Penn State is a paedophile, just that the administration doesn’t really have a proiblem with it unless it cuts into fundraising.

  37. 37
    jeff says:

    @amk:

    I have no problem with a CEO of a nonprofit making that. I would want to know about the budget size and percentage of budget going to salary; the number of employees managed; the growth demonstrated under the CEOs leadership.

  38. 38
    burnspbesq says:

    @amk:

    Are you sure you want the IRS as your all-purpose regulator?

  39. 39
    General Stuck says:

    Yes, most certainly, DougJ sir./ We are on the eve of destruction. no doubt about it.

  40. 40
    JGabriel says:

    DougJ @ Top:

    I love the smell of Botox in the morning.

    Is that what’s wrong with Brinker’s face?

    I thought it was just vampirism.

    .

  41. 41

    @amk: No.

    @Baud: and that crap has to end, too. They can’t trademark a color!

    BTW, I own purple.

  42. 42
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @amk: my understanding is she started the whole thing with her own money. Her dead husband owned the company that owns Chilis, Maggianos and Macaroni Grill.

  43. 43

    @shortstop:

    I’m confused. Have they never funded stem-cell research or have they now pulled funding from it?

    I think there’s some confusion from paraphrases and selective editing. I followed a link from a link and got back to the origin of the statement about the funding to Hopkins, U Kansas, etc. on a “pro life” web site. The claim is that funding is going to institutions where embryonic stem cell research takes place, not that any of Komen’s money was actually going to that research. This is much like the idea that funding breast cancer screenings through Planned Parenthood is indirectly funding abortions. They selectively quote the statement from Komen’s web site, leaving out the part about them never having funded ESC research, to make it sound as if the same pressure that led to defunding Planned Parenthood also led to a new policy against ESC research.

  44. 44
    amk says:

    @burnspbesq: big gobinment off my back? Don’t tread on me thingy ?

  45. 45

    @Baud: I haz no trademark law skilz, but I rather doubt you can trademark a color – a phrase (“for the cure”) sure, and then spend $1M annually enforcing that trademark. Colors, however, are a different story. Trademark mavens may correct me.

  46. 46
    gwangung says:

    @amk: Your notion would ding organizations such as Girls Scouts of America, Goodwill Industries, the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and Habitat for Humanity.

    The common thread of these groups is that their annual budgets are in the hundred of millions of dollars.

    Not sure I’d want to head it up with someone making $75-90K (if anything the temptation for graft would be huge….).

  47. 47
    amk says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So she is stinking rich and still can’t get enough of the moolah ?

  48. 48

    It’s not just a right wing organization it’s a right wing scam.

  49. 49
    Baud says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Wikipedia disagrees:

    In the United States, the United States Supreme Court held that a colour could be used as a trademark in the case of Qualitex Co. v. Jacobson Products Co., Inc., 514 U.S. 159 (1995)

  50. 50
    Cat Lady says:

    I just fucking hate wingers who won’t own their assholishness. Just admit what you’re doing and stop with the lame ass denials. Just say you hate abortion more than you love living walking around women, and you’re exploiting other women to give you the money to fight against choices that women that support you might make for themselves. Just fucking admit it, and stop with the excuses, denial and cowardice. Fucking own it.

  51. 51
    Tonal Crow says:

    @MikeJ:

    @Tonal Crow: …I think there’s no doubt whatsoever that it’s an opinion, therefore not libellous.

    That’s not clear. The key question is whether it constitutes an assertion of fact. Maybe you can argue that it can’t really be proven or disproven, and is therefore not such an assertion. All that said, it’s morally libelous even if not legally libelous.

    If someone gives money to people that rape children, they’re supporting the raping of children…Thirdly, nobody ever claimed that every employee of Penn State is a paedophile, just that the administration doesn’t really have a proiblem with it unless it cuts into fundraising.

    Do you read what you write? You’re tarring everyone at Penn State with the Sandusky affair, irrespective of whether they have any involvement whatsoever in it. You’re using “Penn State” as an all-purpose synonym for “child rape supporter”.

  52. 52
    amk says:

    @gwangung: The key word here is ‘charity’. You give your time, energy and money to it, not gouge it for your own benefit.

  53. 53
    burnspbesq says:

    @amk:

    Naah. It’s about competence.

    FWIW, the CEOs of big non-profit healthcare orgs get paid like Fortune 500 CEOs. The head of Duke Health made $3.3 mil in 2010, more than 3x the president of the University.

  54. 54

    @Baud: I would suggest that the case can be distinguished based on “use in commerce” since that’s part of the stautory definition on which the decision rests:

    (1) used by a person, or
    (2) which a person has a bona fide intention to use in commerce and applies to register on the principal register established by this chapter,
    to identify and distinguish his or her goods, including a unique product, from those manufactured or sold by others and to indicate the source of the goods, even if that source is unknown. (emphasis added) 15 U.S.C. § 1127

    But again, that’s a quick view from someone who doesn’t practice in that specialty.

  55. 55
    amk says:

    @burnspbesq: ah, love the smell of capitalism.

  56. 56
    jeff says:

    @amk:

    That would seriously limit the effectiveness of a cause oriented charity. If you care about the cause, you’ll be pragmatic about pay; if you want mendicant brotherhoods, you can join the Franciscans.

  57. 57
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    How can you copyright, or patent, a colour? Since when is pink considered Intellectual Property? Okay, maybe a very specific Pantone formula, but c’mon, IANAL but I just can’t imagine that would stand.

  58. 58
    EriktheRed says:

    Steve M:

    I know that Planned Parenthood has also seen an uptick in donations — but I’m not sure our side can match the right in passion for fighting the culture war. Is it possible that the Komen people feel — rationally or otherwise — that tacking to the right will make religious rightists, teabaggers, and Fox News watchers give so much money to them, on an ongoing basis, that they’ll come out ahead of where they’ve been, and never miss the support they’re losing now? Remember that the right-wing media could try to turn this into a new front in the mythical “war on religion,” particularly targeting corporations that try to sever ties with Komen. Planned Parenthood is getting a bump now from our side, but this could become a long-term project of the right. Maybe Handel got the leaders of Komen thinking that the free publicity would be worth its weight in gold. And given the relentlessness of the right, I’m not sure that’s irrational.

    Think he’s got a point worth considering, unfortunately.

  59. 59

    @WereBear (itouch):

    They can’t trademark a color!

    Actually, they can. Anything that’s sufficiently distinctive can be trademarked. A specific color can be part of a trademark, so that competitors can’t use that color for something similar. The classic case is that PeptoBismol has trademarked their color of pink for anti-heartburn medication; they can sue any competitor that makes their medicine the same or a confusingly similar color or uses that color in ads.

    Similarly, Susan G. Komen can presumably trademark their shade of pink for anti-cancer charities. Otherwise, companies could sell items in Komen pink, say something vague about the fight against cancer, and fool people into thinking that they were sending money to the Komen Foundation by buying them. Preventing that kind of thing is the whole reason for trademark law.

    There is an important limitation, though, which is that trademarks apply only to the field in which a company operates. So it would be fine for somebody to paint a car PeptoBismol pink, because there’s no way that somebody could confuse a car with a heartburn treatment. Similarly, you could probably use Komen’s pink color for any product that doesn’t currently have a competitor that’s paying Komen for their trademark and doesn’t imply in any way that it’s associated with cancer.

  60. 60
    burnspbesq says:

    @amk:

    It’s a $2 billion a year business with thousands of employees.

  61. 61
    amk says:

    @jeff: charity too went corporate, you say ? Nice put down of the Franciscans. What losers.

  62. 62
    Linda says:

    Their story shifts a lot–first, it was that PP was “under investigation,” then that they had shifted their funding away from “pass through” organizations to direct providers of services. But the only vertification I can find for the stem cell story are right and left advocacy news sources. But the fact that they are trying to paint themselves as martyrs of pro-abortion people, and scrambling to cover their stuff like three-legged cats in a litterbox means they don’t even have the courage of their meanness and stupidity. That’s them circling the drain.

  63. 63
    Tonal Crow says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): One could argue that the “goods” being “distinguished” are the contributions that the manufacturer has pledged to make to Komen when you buy the product to which the ribbon’s affixed. I don’t have a good feel for whether that would fly.

  64. 64
    amk says:

    @burnspbesq: Do the charities pay tax in america ?

  65. 65
    gwangung says:

    @amk: I hear that from right wing types who think they don’t have to pay charity workers living wages. I just don’t think that hangs together.

    If you’re managing hundreds of millions of dollars, it just doesn’t raise my hackle if your salary is six figures. Like said, Goodwill, Habitat for Humanity, Girl Scouts, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research all pay their top person in the mid six figures.

  66. 66

    I would also suggest that, if anything, pink is associated with breast cancer, not SGK, and thus SGK cannot own the mark:

    Qualitex’s green gold color has met these requirements. It acts as a symbol. Because customers identify the color as Qualitex’s, it has developed secondary meaning, see, e.g., id., at 851, n. 11, and thereby identifies the press pads’ source. And, the color serves no other function.
    514 U.S. 159 (1995)

    Apologies for getting all lawyerly. I’m not sure how that happened.

  67. 67
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Not sure why my edit didn’t take [coughFYWPcough] but I wrote and submitted my 57 before I saw the myriad posts on copyright protection of colours.

    Guess it’s prolly a good thing IANAL.

  68. 68
    Tonal Crow says:

    @gwangung: Agreed. It’s all a matter of what pay for what performance.

  69. 69
    amk says:

    @gwangung: who said anything about not having to pay charity workers living wages ?

  70. 70
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @EriktheRed: But the whole genius of the campaign for breast cancer awareness is that it’s middle-of-the-road and inoffensive, in that no one could possibly be against it — thus greasing the wheels for corporate sponsorships aplenty. Now they’ve gone and blown that all to hell.

  71. 71
    jeff says:

    @AMT:

    I don’t know what kind of weird ideology you have, but if you are a working foundation administering life-and-death services to constituents, plus managing hundreds of employees who need safe working conditions, health care, and competitive wages, then, yes: Six-figure salary is completely appropriate.

    Depends what you expect from your charity. I mentioned the poor brotherhood of mendicant monks, because that seemed like your idea of what a nonprofit should be.

  72. 72
    Wag says:

    Has anyone begin referring to the Komen headquarters as The Komen-dome? If not, then we should

    “Quick, Nancy, back to the Komen-dome!”

  73. 73
    Gust Avrakotos says:

    Yup, nothing partisan about this Komen senior VP of policy!
    http://yfrog.com/kkzyuyp

  74. 74
    Jim says:

    Time to investigate Komen’s non-profit (non taxable) status. Non-profits are not allowed to get involved in politics.

  75. 75
    Keith G says:

    Some friends and I are spit-balling getting silver dollar sized stickers made with a boycott Komen message. They would end up on any in-store merchandising display.

    It may sound juvenile, but it’s a riff of reaction here to a local issue a few years back. It got folks talking.

  76. 76
    Satanicpanic says:

    @MonkeyBoy: Nice catch. I have added my dislike and my $.02

  77. 77
    Tonal Crow says:

    @Jim:

    Time to investigate Komen’s non-profit (non taxable) status. Non-profits are not allowed to get involved in politics.

    Wrong. Tax-deductible nonprofits may not advocate for or against the election of specific candidates, nor may they lobby government officials. They are free to advocate for or against public policies.

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    amk says:

    @jeff: Right, questioning six figure benefits for charity heads is somehow weird. Nice jig, if you can get it.

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    gwangung says:

    @amk: If the argument’s EXACTLY the same, word for word..well, I’m just putting two and two together.

    Also, think of it this way. You’re in charge of a large organization. You’re paying decent wages (not the same as private, but in hailing distance) to your staff. That doesn’t apply to just the entry level folks; that applies to lower level. And mid level. And upper level. Those upper level folks won’t stand to be paid less than the lower level…and the lower level won’t stand to be paid for starvation wages. Work your way up the chain—you’re still going to be paying fairly large salaries because you’re employing large number people who are NOT going to be content with crap wages, no matter what the level.

  80. 80
    AxelFoley says:

    @amk:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So she is stinking rich and still can’t get enough of the moolah ?

    Sounds like a certain Mormon presidential candidate to me.

  81. 81

    @jeff:
    I think you’re misreading what burnspbesq is saying. He’s arguing that charities should be able to pay competitive salaries to their executives, and it’s a bad idea to try to regulate it. I think that’s generally true, but there should be some kind of limits so that a “charity” has to spend a decent amount of money on its ostensible purpose, rather than being an elaborate scheme to enrich its officers.

  82. 82
    gwangung says:

    Right, questioning six figure benefits for charity heads is somehow weird.

    No, naive.

    And the gig takes a fair amount of skill, which aren’t really that readily available.

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    Calming Influence says:

    [Komen decision maker] “Yeah, there shouldn’t be any backlash if we stop funding planned parenthood.”
    [Komen bean counter] “Wait, are you sure? Planned Parenthood’s beeN around for a long time. A lot of people from all walks of life support them…”
    [Komen decision maker] “Nah, that was before. Now it’s just dirty fucking hippies…hey, HOLD ON! What the FUCK?!? Where did all these honey badgers come from?!? Oh my GOD!!HELP! HEL…”
    [Honey Badgers] “NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM RIP SHRED NOM NOM NOM…”

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    @Roger Moore: Thank you; actually “context sensitive” would apply. And if it was specific for that charity.

    @EriktheRed: Its not quite applicable to Wingers, though; I’m ransacking my brain for key charities that are associated with them; and coming up blank. Hate they will pay for. Missionary; not to treat their ills but to save their souls; that happens.

    But passionate about giving to a cause that helps people? Just can’t think of one. Though to be fair, it is late and we mostly talk about how they are perfectly fine with letting people die of neglect and they are down on Romney for saying he’ll fix holes in the safety net for the “very poor.”. So maybe it’s me!

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    jeff says:

    @amk:

    So I guess you think it somehow not weird? If the CEO of 500 employees cannot make 6 figures, what are the technicians allowed to make? A bowl of rice? A hammock to sleep in?

    $14,324/year in NYC or Washington?

    Firefighter Salary II?

    Police Officer?

    . . .because those positions are very well paid by tax dollars.

    I don’t know if you donate to healthcare or environmental causes, but do you really think we can hire physicians, PhD researchers, behaviorists, biologists, other researchers for way, way less than market? And, don’t we want to compete to get top employees?

    I don’t know what you want, but please do donate or volunteer.

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @EriktheRed: On an earlier thread I wondered about the various left leaning blogs figuring out how to cover this. The could use the fact that they have a lot of people who support PP’s mission to remind them to make sure that PP gets donated to.

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    amk says:

    @gwangung: @jeff: Good arguments for the 1%ers. Nice job.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    In addition to pulling funds from Planned Parenthood for The Susan G. Komen Foundation also decided to stop funding embryonic stem cell research centers making it fully transparent the organization has evolved from non-political non-profit to a partisan advocacy organization.

    And Y’ALL tell ME they aren’t counting on a consolidated conservative donor base to more than make up the difference from the loss of left-wing donors.

    Go on, I’m waiting . . . I’m sure this is just a huge fuck up on their part with no thought at all about where they’d get money. Right? Right?

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    @Roger Moore: There is also the Avon Walk for Breast Cancer, which makes extensive use of pink in their activities. The money they raise on their walks also, for the most part, stays in the local communities where they are held.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @EriktheRed:

    Is it possible that the Komen people feel—rationally or otherwise—that tacking to the right will make religious rightists, teabaggers, and Fox News watchers give so much money to them, on an ongoing basis, that they’ll come out ahead of where they’ve been, and never miss the support they’re losing now?

    What up, Steve M.

    Welcome to the AA+ Bonds Century

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    Naw, but Steve M., y’all hate him at Balloon Juice, right? He’s just a crazy conspiracy crank like yours truly!

  92. 92

    @AA+ Bonds: You really have become tedious. As someone said on another thread, you’re turning into matoko_loco.

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    jeff says:

    @amk:

    So I guess a donation is out of the question.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @amk:

    The skill-set required to run a multi-billion dollar enterprise doesn’t change materially depending on whether the enterprise is for-profit or non-profit.

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    Johng says:

    There’s a pie chart on that communications blog gauging public opinion on this issue. The blog author states that “about 25%” support the SKG decision. But if you look at the chart it’s very clear that the number is 27%, a familiar number to those who know the crazification factor. Kung Fu Monkey rules us all.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @The prophet Nostradumbass:

    LOL, I am nowhere near as vivacious as m_c, but I do thank you for the compliment

    No, I left the side of the angels a long time ago, to help out you liberals

    And I say things,

    and no one listens, and everyone says, no you’re fuckin crazy man, no one thinks things through!

    But then,

    then,

    it turns out I’m right and all your liberal idols say I’m right

    and all you can do is say, MAN DON’T USE THAT BOLD TAG LIKE ABL, THAT MAKES US PAY ATTENTION TO YOU! And I understand, every time you do that, you get embarrassed later, because I’m right

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    There are lots of charities; you don’t have to give money to the ones that pay six-figure salaries. I’m very fortunate to be in the position that I can donate thousands every year, and the overwhelming majority goes to very small and/or community-based orgs where most if not all of the people are volunteers. Probably the only one I donate to which actually pays its people significant sums is the Nature Conservancy.

    They’re your dollars, folks. Direct them where you wish, but if you direct them to something like SGK, then I think you lose the right to complain about the salaries.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    The important part is that the information gets out there, but what I’m saying is that y’all can be on point if you just think a little more like I do and a little less like the sort of liberals who couldn’t swallow the “vast right wing conspiracy” when Clinton herself knew way more about it than you did

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @EriktheRed:

    Planned Parenthood is getting a bump now from our side, but this could become a long-term project of the right.

    You know, I love Steve M., but if he was unaware until now that killing Planned Parenthood was already a long-term project of the right that’s been in motion for at least a decade (if not longer), he really needs to get out more.

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    kola noscopy says:

    testing

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    AxelFoley says:

    @Calming Influence:

    [Komen decision maker] “Yeah, there shouldn’t be any backlash if we stop funding planned parenthood.”
    [Komen bean counter] “Wait, are you sure? Planned Parenthood’s beeN around for a long time. A lot of people from all walks of life support them…”
    [Komen decision maker] “Nah, that was before. Now it’s just dirty fucking hippies…hey, HOLD ON! What the FUCK?!? Where did all these honey badgers come from?!? Oh my GOD HEL…”
    [Honey Badgers] “NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM RIP SHRED NOM NOM NOM…”

    Fucking win.

    To where may we send your internets?

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    scav says:

    you’re not in this to help anyone. you support no cause. it’s not about the topic for you. it is about preening in your self-generated all bolded ass-sourced limelight. preen away. but you convince no one and you are profoundly ineffectual. you will nonetheless congratulate yourself on the strength of it.

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    barath says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Hmm…I’ve had doubts about the Nature Conservancy. Not that they’re mismanaged, but that they tend to advocate for very “business-friendly” environmental policies which don’t do anything.

    The only environmental / energy nonprofit I really feel like has a firm grasp on reality and isn’t a big money-flow outfit is Post Carbon Institute. (McKibben’s 350.org is good too.)

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    Rafer Janders says:

    @gwangung:

    Which just goes to show how much more efficient government is at providing services — after all, the heads of Medicare and Medicaid don’t make nearly as much, and they are far, far larger and more complicated organizastions.

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    amk says:

    @Rafer Janders: Thank you. I am outta here before the libruls here start jerking willard’s pecker.

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    honus says:

    @gwangung: So they should just be given more money than they would graft to prevent graft? Sort of like adopting Butch Cassidy’s suggestion “He’s spending more money to catch us than we ever took. That’s bad business. If he’d just give me the money he’s spending to make me stop robbing him, I’d stop robbing him!”

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @barath: Reasonable people can disagree, but I’ve seen (and taken advantage of) the local work they’ve done, particularly on Block Island, and have no reason to object. Not every project is perfect, but they understand that sometimes it’s just about the $, and they’ll find the money to buy land outright, or buy development rights, in a way that lawsuits or publicity campaigns can’t get the job done.

    But as I said, it’s your dollars, and there are many charities.

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    barath says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Fair enough. I know they do local work, and maybe that’s good. I guess I feel like their big picture / national stuff is misguided.

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    gwangung says:

    So they should just be given more money than they would graft to prevent graft?

    You give them the money for the work they do. You value ALL workers’ efforts. Do you really value the ability to manage thousands of people so little? (And remember, they’re STILL not getting beyond the 10:1 ratio of top man to lowest paid).

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    honus says:

    @gwangung: So explain Brinker’s skill set again? Other than getting close to the Bush family?
    For the record, Burns I question whether the head of Duke Health is worth 3.3m per year. But I’ll bet he or she has a few more qualifications then Brinker, who once took a marketing course at Nieman-Marcus. So maybe it’s not “all about competence”

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    micah616 says:

    @Keith G: I don’t think it’s juvenile at all. As a matter of fact, I’m currently working on a a similar idea. Little placards placed strategically on the Yoplait yogurt displays in my neighborhood supermarkets. A little petty vandalism goes a long way

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Roger Moore:

    He’s arguing that charities should be able to pay competitive salaries to their executives, and it’s a bad idea to try to regulate it.

    My argument has always been that the definition of a 501(c)(3) conforming non-profit in the US is so loose that it’s there to be abused. Wingnut welfare system is a bunch of non-profits that provide six-figure sinecures and brass-plate titles. Non-profits get to skirt all sorts of minimum wage rules for “volunteer” interns. Etc. (I have friends who could go off on one about the money that gets slushed around the upper echelons of developing-world NGOs, too.)

    I don’t see the point in setting a cap on top-level salaries, but I do think there should be a much stricter system of disclosure.

    Welcome to the AA+ Bonds Century

    We’ll just call you “Barry”, okay, because you’re clearly on drugs.

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    Tyro says:

    the overwhelming majority goes to very small and/or community-based orgs where most if not all of the people are volunteers.

    Honestly, a lot of charities do their work by hiring highly-trained professionals. Sometimes helping others requires a staff of people who know what they’re doing who work 40 hours a week. It’s hard to find people who can do that for free.

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    Calming Influence says:

    @jeff: “I don’t know what kind of weird ideology you have, but if you are a working foundation administering life-and-death services to constituents, plus managing hundreds of employees who need safe working conditions, health care, and competitive wages, then, yes: Six-figure salary is completely appropriate.Depends what you expect from your charity.”

    Seriously,”Depends what you expect from your charity.”? I think the point is that she is FUCKING DENYING “life and death services.” That is really the polar OPPOSITE of what I expect from my charities, unless I’m Hermann Wilhelm Göring. (And fuck Goodwin’s Law.)

    Does that change your calculus in any way, asshole?

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    jehrler says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I’m not sure Pepto-Bismol is a good example of a trademark of a color as there are tons of generic pink competitors.

    The example I remember is for insulation where I believe owens-corning got a trademark for pink insulation. Never seen insulation that is pink that is not owens-corning.

    +2

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @honus: The issue of Whether Brinker (or any particular charity CEO) truly is worth a mid-six figure salary is separate from the issue of whether those who work for a charity organization deserve a level of pay that is competitive.

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    sweaver says:

    I’m so angry about this topic I can hardly see straight. I hope it’s the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as this continual chipping away at women’s rights and health issues go. I am not the only one, read just a selection of the posts on any of the Komen sponsor pages. Yoplait I think has started to delete some. They tried to do a little bit of damage control on their wall by putting a big pink splashy interface and saying something like “we continue to support women’s health” or somesuch, and follows up with the question, “tell us in your comments how we can support finding a cure”. Here’s a suggestion, fucker, pull out of working with Komen and give ALL of that fucking money (plus whatever you save by the fucking printed pink ribbons you splash over every product on your product line) and give it to Planned Parenthood, who actually DOES what you’re talking about.

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