Tuesday Evening Open Thread

In honor of Romney’s docu-dump (550 pages, more than a ream of paper) of just two years’ worth of tax returns, I give you Doghouse Riley:

… There’s no sacred text of Alexander Hamilton which consecrates what was done at Bain. There’s no shrine to unfettered rapine honored in every American household. What Bain did–what Willard Mitt Romney and his two hard-scrabbled Hahvahd degrees did–was take every advantage of a gamed system, a gamed system we can call, not for want of a better term but because there is no better term, the Reagan Revolution.
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Faced with a troubled, stagnant economy which was in trouble, and had stagnated, largely because its multinational colossi did not want to be bothered adapting to a changing world–one in which energy wasn’t plentiful and cheap, one in which the United States did not stand as the only global player, one in which consumers had begun to take their rightful place in the endless merry-go-round of merchantilism–in other words, the world of the 21st century, the one we’re failing to adapt to today–unless their built-in advantages were preserved. So the Reagan administration, and the Western-Southern alliance in the Congress, defanged and dismantled the legislative safeguards which had for two generations somewhat leveled the playing field, and protected the vulnerable public from the worst of Boom and Bust. Which allowed the “visionaries” and “tenacious achievers” to bleed the system, to convert assets into cash. Meanwhile destroying the assets.
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Fooled plenty of people. Made Reagan look like an Economic Miracle Worker, provided you didn’t look too closely or ask why he simultaneously had the worst jobs creation record of any post-war President. Until his successor inherited the snake oil inventory.
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That’s what Romney did; his tireless efforts were designed to prove that any idiot with money can make more money, provided making more money is the only thing he cares about.

Apart from the State of the Union address — or, as the Media Village courtiers are pleased to call it, “President Obama’s inaugural campaign speech of 2012” — what’s on the agenda for the evening?

Bless their dedicated souls, the Guardian is liveblogging the State of the Union!






330 replies
  1. 1
    Death Panel Truck says:

    Actual (not shorter) GOP response to the State of the Union address:

    “Obama’s a failure! Obama’s a failure! Obama’s a failure! Other than that…we got nothin’. Thank you, and good night.”

  2. 2
    Veritas says:

    Shorter Doghouse Riley: WAAAH! WAAAH! WAHAAAAA! It’s NO FAIR some people are more successful and wealthier than me! WAAAAHHAAA! Daddy Government, DO SOMETHING! WA-HAAAAAAAH!

  3. 3
    David Koch says:

    Typical.

    Saul Alinsky will be sitting next to Michelle Obama during SOTU.

  4. 4
    Mark S. says:

    If any good comes out of this, hopefully every new tax proposal will be subjected to the question, “What would Mitt Romney pay under such a system?” Because if that fucker is paying a lower percentage than someone making minimum wage, it is a flawed tax system.

  5. 5
    lamh35 says:

    so josh marshall made a gr8 point on twitter. that romney campaign thought by releasing the tax forms today that they’d get buried in the SOTU coverage but…not knowing POTUS would be discussing fair tax and equality, and the Buffett Rule…by releasing the taxes today, Romney just became the poster child for the Buffet Rule…

  6. 6
    Stillwater says:

    his tireless efforts were designed to prove that any idiot with money can make more money, provided making more money is the only thing he cares about.

    I think that’s unfair. Romney isn’t an idiot.

    He’s a sociopath.

  7. 7
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    That’s what Romney did; his tireless efforts were designed to prove that any idiot with money can make more money, provided making more money is the only thing he cares about.

    You can substitute many names for “Romney” here. First one that came to mind for me is “Trump”.

    Note to Veritas/RealityCheck: Please inform us in advance of the type of upholstery you desire for your tumbrel.

  8. 8

    It has to be a campaign speech. To ‘journalists’, the idea that he might want to discuss policies and inspire the people to make this a better nation is incomprehensible. It simply cannot be so.

  9. 9
    MikeJ says:

    @efgoldman:

    If what he says tonight isn’t charged throughout with the fierce urgency of That, then it will be the last wasted opportunity of his political life, too.

    Since he’s not going to call for the nationalization of the the entire banking, insurance, and health care industries he’s obviously just like bush and is throwing our veal pens under the bus.

  10. 10
    Trentrunner says:

    If any one can supply the goddamned subject for that goddamned first sentence of that goddamned second paragraph, I’d be fucking obliged.

  11. 11
    Yutsano says:

    I kinda hope Daniels goes all wonky and cerebral in his response. With charts. And graphs.

  12. 12
    Raven says:

    Root canal recovery.

  13. 13
    Baud says:

    @Yutsano: If Mitt Romney is elected President, expect SOTU addresses with powerpoint.

  14. 14
    Baud says:

    @Raven: Wow, you’ll do anything to avoid watching those GOP debates, huh?

  15. 15
    David Koch says:

    Wow.

    Michelle Obama wearing a stunning blue dress.

  16. 16
    jake the snake says:

    @Veritas:

    Way to stay classy. You could probably stand to drop a few pounds from the troll feeding that is done on BJ.

  17. 17
    JPL says:

    @David Koch: He can raise the dead..I always knew he was the second coming …

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    Svensker says:

    @Raven:

    Did someone have a root canal today?

    :)

    Be sure your dentist isn’t fixing things in there with paper clips…

    As the proud owner/recipient of many root canals, may I sympathize? But boy did I impress my newly acquired Vietnamese Torontonian dentist with all my gold crowns — with the price of gold these days, my teeth are my 401K.

  19. 19
    Brachiator says:

    In honor of Romney’s docu-dump (550 pages, more than a ream of paper) of just two years’ worth of tax returns

    People are rightly making a deal about Mitt’s tax returns.

    But Newt’s may be messier.

    After reviewing the 2010 federal tax return Gingrich released last week, the tax experts said he may have left himself open to an IRS challenge.
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    “That could be the type of return that would be flagged for an audit,” said one of the experts, Robert McKenzie, a tax attorney at the Arnstein & Lehr law firm in Chicago.

    Good times.

    On to the State of the Union. Warren Buffet’s secretary is sitting with the First Lady. Expect Obama to make a point over who’s paying their fair share and who is not.

    The widow of Steve Jobs has been invited as well. Nice touch.

    And if you haven’t done so yet, a prior poster noted the cool site dedicated to enhanced info about the State of the Union Address.

  20. 20
    David Koch says:

    Poignant.

    Gabby Giffords’ husband, Mark Kelly, chatting with Steve Jobs’ widow in the gallery.

  21. 21
    JPL says:

    By the way, the NYTimes dining section has Mormon recipes..link
    good times

  22. 22
    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    By the way, the NYTimes dining section has Mormon recipes

    “To serve Mormon.” Yum.

  23. 23

    @Stillwater:

    Well, Shrub made money too, so the thesis still stands.

  24. 24
    geg6 says:

    David Koch @17:

    I have yet to see FLOTUS look anything other than stunning. I’d kill for her arms.

  25. 25
    David Koch says:

    Jill Biden is fricken gorgeous.

  26. 26
    Benjamin Franklin says:

    @Veritas:

    Could anything he says be worse than the prevarication and hegemony of Bushs’
    2003 SOTU?

    I will never allow the bastards to forget they’re promotion of that travesty.

    GFY

  27. 27
    David Koch says:

    Admiral McRaven in the President’s box.

  28. 28
    MikeJ says:

    Oh how I wish CSPAN was in HD. I’d prefer to watch in HD but without the graphics and talking heads.

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    Cacti says:

    @JPL:

    By the way, the NYTimes dining section has Mormon recipes

    As one who sat through many years of Mormon potlucks. Wasatch Front “cuisine” is just awful.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Stillwater:

    I think that’s unfair. Romney isn’t an idiot.
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    He’s a sociopath.

    They’re not mutually exclusive.

    .

  31. 31
    Raven says:

    @Svensker: Yea, I’m a whiny little shit. JPL warned be about the paperclip caper. My dentist is cool.

  32. 32
    jrg says:

    Spent some time today reading the CNN message boards. It’s amazing how many Republicans will defend people worth hundreds of millions of dollars that pay less as a percentage of income than middle-class families do.

    Even more amazing is that half those “conservatives” were accusing people of wanting a free lunch, or living off the government. How fucking stupid do you have to be to accuse someone paying a higher tax rate than Romney a welfare queen? It’s absolutely astounding.

  33. 33
    scav says:

    @Cacti: 7th Day Adventist Hospital food level or worse? If worse, it’s a little worrying to know there are still depths that might be plumbed.

  34. 34
    JPL says:

    Who is the first conservative to embarrass themselves. Maybe they will stand and say I will not use modern day technology. lol

  35. 35
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Raven: I am scared of dentists (even though I have not had a filling since I was 16 y/o) and clowns (b/c they are creepy).

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    @Cacti: I’ve got a lot of Midwest literally under my belt. Jello salads sprung to mind.

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    David Koch says:

    Elizabeth Warren/Bill McRaven 2016

  38. 38
    Benjamin Franklin says:

    @Baud: ot?

    “To serve Mormon

    No man can serve two masters: Ye cannot serve God and Mammon. ~Jesus, Matt 6:24, Luke 16:13

  39. 39
    geg6 says:

    Raven @33:

    Man up, dude! You had a frickin’ root canal! That is nothing! Says the woman who’s had two gum surgeries and had to have her jaw broken in order to get her wisdom teeth out.

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    barath says:

    You know what would be awesome? If Obama announced Jimmy Carter as his new secretary of energy, and said he’d be a recess appointment.

  41. 41
    dmsilev says:

    I’ve got PBS on. David Brooks really needs to be slapped in the face with a trout.

  42. 42
    Comrade Mary says:

    Mammon sounds tasty. Even better if you wrap it in bacon.

  43. 43
    Raven says:

    @geg6: Gotcha! Hey, did you seem my note last week about GED stuff?

  44. 44
    Baud says:

    @Benjamin Franklin: Not getting the bible verse. Mine was an obscure Twilight Zone reference.

  45. 45
    Benjamin Franklin says:

    @Veritas:

    I didn’t have to defeat Bush. History will do that for us all, Idiot bastard son.

  46. 46
    liberal says:

    @Veritas:
    Shorter Veritas: I luvs it when people get rich making money from government-granted privileges while making no actual productive contribution to the economy.

  47. 47

    watching hockey, reading twitter will flip on the speech if it seems interesting.

  48. 48
    dmsilev says:

    @Veritas: Feeling a tad threatened by her, are we?

  49. 49
    lamh35 says:

    so rachel says that Mitch Daniels response is extremely partisan…color me not suprised

  50. 50
    PeakVT says:

    Fuck bipartisanship and fuck any reporter that mentions bipartisanship.

    That is all.

  51. 51
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @dmsilev: She is … tall. And you know how threatening that can be to little men.

  52. 52
    Benjamin Franklin says:

    @Baud:

    I think Rod Serling used the King James.

  53. 53
    Cacti says:

    @Benjamin Franklin:

    I didn’t have to defeat Bush

    Of course, we all remember the final tally of Bush’s “election”…

    5-4

  54. 54

    I’m busy boggling at the incompetence of the Indian bowling in Australia. Clarke has already reached a double century, and Ponting is just 2 runs away. India is setting itself up for its third innings loss in 4 tests, which is just crazy. This isn’t just a defeat, it’s a massacre.

  55. 55

    @Baud: It was exactly what I was thinking :)

    Speech coverage starting. I need a smarm-seeking missle.

  56. 56
    Comrade Mary says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Guys, the comment you’re linking to is gone. I’m guessing the troll said something vile about Michelle Obama, right?

  57. 57
    Baud says:

    @PeakVT: The only way you’ll ever get true bipartisanship is to elect Democrats to every federal office.

  58. 58
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Roger Moore: How many cricket fans frequent this blog?

  59. 59
    Chyron HR says:

    @Veritas:

    The one-two knockout punch of IA-NH will give Romney the momentum needed to win SC! VICTORY!!

    So were you born stupid or just raised that way?

  60. 60
    Cacti says:

    @lamh35:

    so rachel says that Mitch Daniels response is extremely partisan…color me not suprised

    Lemme guess…

    Blah blah blah Tax Cuts blah blah blah burdensome regulations blah blah blah job creators.

  61. 61
    David Koch says:

    Okay. Who here didn’t tear up at that moment?

  62. 62
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Comrade Mary: Yep. Good guess. BTW that color is fantastic on her.

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  64. 64
    dmsilev says:

    Aiieeee, teleprompters! It’s all a lie, a lie I tell you!

  65. 65
    Raven says:

    @wobblybits: How’s that diss?

  66. 66
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @David Koch: Okay, a little.

  67. 67
    slag says:

    @Comrade Mary: Yes. I’m just please to see we have some standards around here.

  68. 68
    Veritas says:

    @Cacti

    Yup, I sure do. Gonna whine some more about that election, loser?

    Gore lost. Kerry lost. It was a real pleasure especially to watch John “F’ing” Kerry go down in flames. Boy, that was a thing of beauty!

  69. 69
    Cacti says:

    Iraq made us safer and more respected?

    Ummm…okay.

  70. 70
    General Stuck says:

    Cool, plays the Obl sleeping with the fishes card first thing.

  71. 71
    Dexter says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Here is another cricket fan. I guess that adds up to a grand total of two?

  72. 72
    JGabriel says:

    Holy shit. Republicans didn’t stand to applaud bin Laden’s death: I guess that makes them objectively pro-terrorist.

    .

  73. 73
    JPL says:

    When my 32 old son was in third grade he admired a gal who was Mormon. She was in a tragic car accident and suffered severe burns and could not go to school for six months. The family had 11 children. The hospital released the little girl after six weeks if the mom could return her each day for treatment. The mom slept 4 hours a night. Where was the dad?
    He had to work and that wasn’t his responsibility. That’s what I know about Mormons. My son used to read her school work in the afternoon.

  74. 74
    Veritas says:

    Obama bragging about following Bush’s Iraq strategy?

  75. 75

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    How many cricket fans frequent this blog?

    I’m not sure. I don’t even know if I’d classify myself as a fan; I’m more in the cricket curious category. It might help if I could actually watch it on TV sometime instead of just checking the test scores on the BBC web site.

  76. 76
    SIA says:

    I love BHO’s confidence and how it makes the wingers chew out their stomach linings. Osama mentioned in the first three minutes! Go Prez!

  77. 77
    wobblybits says:

    @Raven: Met with my chair, who said it looked like a dissertation proposal by a history student and not a lit student so back to the drawing board I went and re-worked it. This is version 3.4

  78. 78
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Dexter: Nah, there are are a lot.

    @General Stuck: Lead with some of the good stuff. Primacy and recency, people remember the first and last bits.

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    middlewest says:

    Tom Vilsack gets the booby prize of being the next president in hiding.

  80. 80
    dmsilev says:

    I’m pretty sure the real John Boehner has been replaced with a mannequin that blinks occasionally. The mannequin would probably do a better job running the House.

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    Cacti says:

    @JGabriel:

    Holy shit. Republicans didn’t stand to applaud bin Laden’s death: I guess that makes them objectively pro-terrorist.

    Of course.

    Remember when they were openly rooting for Somali pirates?

  82. 82
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @David Koch: I’m still leaking.

    (Edit: My EYES)

  83. 83
    JPL says:

    Now the repubs are just looking like fools for not standing…

  84. 84
    SIA says:

    Post heading at Hot Air:

    Hey, who’s up for an hour-long lecture on “fairness”?

    Heh.

  85. 85
    Dexter says:

    John Boehner is thinking about his Scotch or whatever he drinks every evening.

  86. 86
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You haz edit?

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    SIA says:

    @JPL: Boo fairness!

  88. 88
    Brian R. says:

    @SIA:

    Osama mentioned in the first three minutes! Go Prez!

    That should be part of every answer during the debates.

    “Well, Brian, your question about housing policy reminds me of when I decided to have our troops make a housecall on Osama Bin Laden. Knock, knock. You’re dead.”

  89. 89
    JGabriel says:

    @Veritas:

    Obama bragging about following Bush’s Iraq strategy?

    If Obama was following Bush’s strategy, he’d have left the troops in Iraq with inadequate support until the next president came along.

    So, no, not so much.

    .

  90. 90
    dmsilev says:

    Heh. Obama just called out Romney as a liar on “blame Obama for job losses due to Bush’s recession” thing

  91. 91
    JPL says:

    This is where he should turn to Boehner and say will you work with me..

  92. 92
    Montysano says:

    any idiot with money can make more money, provided making more money is the only thing he cares about.

    That’s some true stuff right there. The whole thing is excellent.

  93. 93
    Brian R. says:

    Hilda Solis heard the word “workers” and knew the cameras were on her. That’s a pro.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Raven: I sympathize. I wish Balloon Juice had been around when I had full mouth extraction and five, count ’em, five surgeries for implants. I won’t mention the $75,000 it cost me out of pocket because my otherwise-wonderful health insurance didn’t pay a cent of it. Anyhow, ouch, and feel better soon.

  95. 95
    Brian R. says:

    SUCK IT, MITTENS.

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    Raven says:

    @wobblybits: I am not suggesting this but I fired my chair 3 years in.

  97. 97
    Svensker says:

    @Raven:

    Yea, I’m a whiny little shit.

    Well, I don’t know about that. But there’s something about a fugging root canal that makes ya just want to climb back up into the womb and suck your thumb. Either that or lots of drugs and petting.

  98. 98
    wobblybits says:

    @JPL: I would give up my lil book money to see that.

  99. 99
    Dexter says:

    Obama just called out Mitt without naming his name regarding the auto industry collapse.

  100. 100
    dmsilev says:

    “some said we should let the auto industry die”

    Translation: Suck it, Mittens.

  101. 101
    middlewest says:

    Suck it Mitt,

    Love Detroit

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    JPL says:

    Is this where Boehner’s skin turns from orange to green?

  104. 104
    lamh35 says:

    I see Scott Brown the only Repub to stand and clap…methinks he really wants to beat Liz Warren doesn’t he

  105. 105
    Baud says:

    “unionized plant” That’s gotta hurt.

  106. 106
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I cannot tell a lie, I “edited” before hitting submit. So I’m a weaselly hypocrite, sue me.

  107. 107
    robertdsc-PowerBook says:

    Never mention the deficit. Fuck that noise. Otherwise, keep kicking their ass, POTUS.

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    @lamh35:

    Noticed that too. Thinking the Tea Party will be very unhappy about that.

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    Dexter says:

    What’s wrong with John Kerry’s face?

  110. 110
    lamh35 says:

    there goes Obama slicing Mittens with a samurai blade and didn’t even have to mention his name.

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    Raven says:

    @Svensker: It really wasn’t that bad. I’ve had some major shit in my life and this in pretty far down on the list. It sounds good though doesn’t it?

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    Veritas says:

    GM will have to be bailed out AGAIN in 20 years I’m sure. Just like Chrysler was bailed out already in the ’80s. It would have been better to let Chrysler die in 1980 rather than waste taxpayer money not once but TWICE.

  113. 113
    middlewest says:

    Man, this soshalism stuff sounds pretty awesome.

  114. 114

    What happened to John Kerry? His face is all bashed up.

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    JPL says:

    @Dexter: hockey game..

  116. 116
    Raven says:

    @Dexter: He broke his nose in a hockey game.

  117. 117
    dmsilev says:

    Did John Boehner just swallow a toad or something? I mean, I know he’s always orange, nut he’s not usually this dyspeptic.

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    Old Dan and Little Ann says:

    Nice face, Cantor. You fucking douchebag.

  119. 119
    General Stuck says:

    @Southern Beale:

    Hockey pick up game.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m a weaselly hypocrite

    There’s your lie.

  121. 121

    Eric Cantor looks like he’s ready to break out a light saber or something.

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    Veritas says:

    Shorter TOTUS: “Our Five-Year Plan is exceeding all our expectations. More centralized planning! More taxes! More government! More regulation! More trade wars with foreign powers! MORE MORE MORE!”

    I half expect him to call for the collectivization of agriculture and the liquidation of the kulaks as a class.

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    SIA says:

    Ooh Cantor looks eeevilll

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    Raven says:

    @Southern Beale: Fuckin little twerp.

  125. 125
    RinaX says:

    Gawd, I saw Eric Cantor’s face and wanted to vomit. I truly despise that little weasel.

  126. 126
    lamh35 says:

    @Southern Beale: I’m ashamed to say the first thing I thought was Botox or plastic surgery

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    wobblybits says:

    @Veritas: i’m pretty sure you’re wrong.

  128. 128
    middlewest says:

    LOL, I’m even better at kicking China’s ass than you.

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    Veritas says:

    I hate these stupid personal anecdotes. Was it Clinton that started that shit?

    “Granny McWrinkles is from Richmond, Virginia. She’s 85, and on a fixed income blah blah blah….zzzzz”

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    General Stuck says:

    @SIA:

    So did Boris Badenov, but was just a cartoon. Same with Cantor.

  131. 131
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Who is sitting with FLOTUS? The lady?

  132. 132
    Raven says:

    @Veritas: Hey douche bag, here’s what your stupid fucking bullshit looks like through the pie filter:

    “Bye, bye. Miss American Pie.” That’s the saddest line I’ve ever heard.

  133. 133
    JPL says:

    @wobblybits: hypocrites..gotta be hypocrites..just ignore them.

  134. 134
    dmsilev says:

    @Veritas: I’d worry if I were you. When the FEMA concentration camps come online, first theyll come for conservative Internet commenters.

  135. 135
    Raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Lady mechanic from Charlotte

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Dexter: The official explanation, here in MA, is “ice hockey accident”.

    It’s been an abnormally warm winter here, but not so much that windsurfing is possible. And Kerry actually did play hockey in college, IIRC.

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    Dexter says:

    Is Boner trying to swallow something? His face has this odd twitching.

  138. 138
    wobblybits says:

    @Raven: nah, i like my chair and i know that she is making sure that i write the best diss possible.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Warren Buffett’s secretary, I hear.

  140. 140
    Raven says:

    @wobblybits: Cool. Hang tough then.

  141. 141
    SIA says:

    @General Stuck: Haha! How ya doin’ General? How’s Charlie? :)

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    Veritas says:

    Why the fuck is the President dictating policies to the State governments? Butt out, TOTUS.

  143. 143
    SIA says:

    @Dexter: Onset of DTs

  144. 144
    Cacti says:

    @Dexter:

    Is Boner trying to swallow something? His face has this odd twitching.

    Must be getting the booze shakes.

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    middlewest says:

    Universities and colleges are “on notice”. He’s channeling Steven Colbert tonight.

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    wobblybits says:

    @Raven: thanks so much for the moral support. i’ll be back here whining about diss blue.

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    geg6 says:

    Raven, I missed the GED stuff. You remember that I have an interest in that subject. Point me to a linky or explain. I’m interested.

    Meanwhile, work study shoutout! Woohoo!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Anne Laurie: It is my understanding that he still played frequently at least until shortly before his Prez run.

  149. 149
    Old Dan and Little Ann says:

    “The opponents of action are out of excuses.” It would be nice.

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    Montysano says:

    I know that doesn’t really matter that the First Lady, besides being intelligent and accomplished, is also drop-dead gorgeous, but it surely doesn’t hurt.

  151. 151
    middlewest says:

    BWAHAHAHA McCain looking like he wet his depends when the Dream Act is mentioned.

  152. 152
    Judas Escargot says:

    This speech is a Big Fucking Deal.

  153. 153
    wobblybits says:

    Ha! Did you see that smirk from Pappy McCain when the President dare mention congress sending him a bill to create a path for students to earn their citizenship?

  154. 154
    wobblybits says:

    Ha! Did you see that smirk from Pappy McCain when the President dare mention congress sending him a bill to create a path for students to earn their citizenship? Dream Act ho!

  155. 155
    dmsilev says:

    @middlewest: McCain still hasn’t forgiven Obama for beating him. The bitterness is just eating him up.

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    Svensker says:

    Did y’all realize that TOTUS indicates “teleprompter of the U.S.”? Isn’t that just the cleverest thing? Cuz that Obambi guy is just dumb, ya know.

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    General Stuck says:

    Was wondering if Obama was going to go for immigration reform, rather than not with the complicated politics of that issue. Was glad he mentioned it, and hope dems take the risk of pushing for comp reform before the election. I think it’s a winner, overall.

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    SIA says:

    McCain is one toxic bastard.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Boner keeps chewing on his lower lip. What an unattractive tic that is.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    If you’re wondering what else the money behind Newt Gingrich is doing, it’s this (NY Times link):

    In Police Training, a Dark Film on U.S. Muslims

    Ominous music plays as images appear on the screen: Muslim terrorists shoot Christians in the head, car bombs explode, executed children lie covered by sheets and a doctored photograph shows an Islamic flag flying over the White House.
    __
    “This is the true agenda of much of Islam in America,” a narrator intones. “A strategy to infiltrate and dominate America. … This is the war you don’t know about.”
    __
    This is the feature-length film titled “The Third Jihad,” paid for by a nonprofit group, which was shown to more than a thousand officers as part of training in the New York Police Department.

    Sheldon Adelson, people. I told y’all: crazy fuckin billionaires

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    wobblybits says:

    @wobblybits: stupid double post

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    lamh35 says:

    ooh, looks like Sully’s not enjoying the SOTU. That means it’s must be hitting the right points then.

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    KDUN says:

    Any predictions on which “columnist” will do the predictable annual “I, me” count on the speech?

    …and no fair calling the Gateway Dumbshit. Hoft only does one every year to prove that he can, in fact, count.

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    General Stuck says:

    @SIA:

    Doin’ fine, as is Charlie

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    Birthmarker says:

    IIRC Chrysler paid back the 80’s loan early.

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    Raven says:

    @geg6: My dissertation was a qual study of GED grads. Why they quit, why they went back and what they made of the process of preparing. I got mine way back in 1967 when it was mostly a reading test but it was an honor to work with the folks in my study.

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    Montysano says:

    @dmsilev:

    Did John Boehner just swallow a toad or something?

    Too much newt in his diet.

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    freelancer says:

    @Judas Escargot:

    I love my President, but this speech is boring the shit out of me. It’s very meh in terms of content, IMHO.

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    wobblybits says:

    @Svensker: Whoever came up with that demonstrated that they don’t have even two brain cells to rub together.

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    Ogliberal says:

    Sully is having a huge hurt over Obama’s populism…translated as making the GOP look like heartless idiots. Translated as telling it like it is.

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    Roxie says:

    @Svensker: But can you figure out what V E R I T A S stands for

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    fleeting expletive says:

    I’m liking this SOTU. “I will not walk away from the promise of clean energy”— oooh, ending oil industry subsidies!

    Judas E, indeed it is.

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    Veritas says:

    Great clean energy companies like Solyndra! Oh, wait…

    I’m for American energy, that’s why I trashed the Keystone pipeline and will make Canada export oil to China instead!

    Obambi is a fucking fraud.

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    dmsilev says:

    Heh. “end oil company tax breaks”, and all the Republicans just sit there stone-faced. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

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    Trentrunner says:

    Uh-oh. Sully’s falling out of love with Obama.

    Get ready for Dish for Ron Paul, bitches!

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    JGabriel says:

    Shorter SOTU: Congress, do your fucking job.

    .

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    Colby says:

    Jesus, Veritas is terrified. This is how I reacted to the 2004 SOTU.

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    JPL says:

    In the last State of the Union he focused more on Elementary education and had students sitting with Michele. It’s a nit and maybe a little nit but since the repub candidates haven’t spent two percent of their debates on education, I wish more time was spent on Elementary Education.

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    Judas Escargot says:

    @freelancer:

    You and I are not a “normal” audience.

    This is the kind of talk that could get a Republican father-in-law to vote for him.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Trentrunner: He’ll color his website gold, I assume?

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    lamh35 says:

    theme of this speech guys…”Send me a bill” i.e. Congress do ur damn jobs!

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    General Stuck says:

    @freelancer: It’s a Norman Rockwell speech. Maybe that is the best tact at this particular point in time. Boring may be a good contrast with batshit crazzzzzy gooper POTUS candidates shredding each other round the clock

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    scav says:

    Virtual
    Entity
    Repeating
    Irrelevant
    Tautologies
    As
    Sacraments

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    barath says:

    Hah…I knew Sullivan would whine about how there isn’t enough tax reform and similar pet issues.

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    Cacti says:

    I can practically see the flecks of spittle hitting Royalty Check’s monitor.

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    JPL says:

    @Veritas: Where’s your stamp and envelope. If you don’t like modern technology then don’t use it. The last thing you want to be is a hypocrite, right…hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahha

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    Raven says:

    @lamh35: And the little sawed off motherfucker from hooiserville will say “Hell No”!

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    Elie says:

    @freelancer:

    Well you don’t know “good” when you hear it…

    Sad really…

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Veritas: Wait till they start pointing out all of the wasted money the government spent on your education.

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    Keith G says:

    @lamh35: Actually his reaction is mixed – some good stuff and some not so good stuff.

    But that’s the way most SOTUs go.

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    Veritas says:

    Financial fraud?? One of the biggest frauds of the past four years was Solyndra, and that was on the taxpayer dime you incompetent shit. God I can’t wait until January, 2013.

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    Micheline says:

    @Veritas: You are a freaking idiot. If you knew anything about the supremacy clause, then you would never made that silly comment you made.

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    geg6 says:

    Aaaaack! Lieberman closeup!

    Love my preznit tonight. Even the stuff I don’t like is not the worst thing I could imagine. Love this “I won’t go back” stuff.

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    middlewest says:

    Dairy farmers shouldn’t cry over spilled milk… He earned those boos.

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    Veritas says:

    @Micheline

    Ever heard of the Tenth Amendment?

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    JPL says:

    Why in the world did President Bush start the Solyndra deal??

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    fleeting expletive says:

    Banks’ “living will”. I like it.

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    Roxie says:

    Very
    Early
    Reptilian
    Intelligence
    Acting
    Stupid

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    Nom de Plume says:

    @Veritas:

    God I can’t wait until January, 2013.

    Yeah, Obama’s re-inauguration should be something to see, huh?

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    lamh35 says:

    @Keith G:

    “9.48 pm. This speech is beginning to make Bill Clintons’ look like clear and visionary. But people loved Clinton’s long laundry list of micro-policies. I think this is the worst SOTU Obama has given. But maybe it will work. It sure seems like it has been put through a software program to pander to various industries.”

    It’s mostly dislike.

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    wobblybits says:

    @Veritas: You’re going to watch PBo be sowrn in again for his second term as well? cool.

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    Cacti says:

    Gingrich leads Romney in national poll

    Just for our resident Rombot troll

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    Damn, he is taking it to them. Pivoted from killing silly rules about milk spills to enforcing new ones to prevent future bailouts, and introduced Cordray to boot! BRING IT!

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    SIA says:

    @scav: Perfect.

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    wobblybits says:

    @wobblybits: *sworn

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    This blog needs a better class of trolls. This one just isn’t up to BJ standards.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Veritas: Do you understand the difference between a failed business and a fraud? The question is rhetorical.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Cacti: Don’t worry the Oceans of Corporate Cash will carry the day for the Romneytronic 3000.

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    Micheline says:

    Edit:

    @Veritas: You are a freaking idiot. If you knew anything about the supremacy clause, then you would have never made that silly comment.

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    freelancer says:

    @General Stuck:

    No it makes sense. With the other side stuck between a doughy secessionist and a craven robot who, right now, is probably asking his aides, “Well Jeez, can we just PAY them to like me? Y’know, like cut everyone a $50 check?”

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    Anya says:

    Cantor is such a douchebag.

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    Elie says:

    @Judas Escargot:

    This is the vow, the recap of what is important. That you can’t hear that is, well, disappointing. You hear what you value and since you don’t hear it, makes me wonder what you value… if the delivery is the main point for you, then you will sleep through a lot of important things in this life… most of which is quiet ..

    I find him vigorous, energetic and renewing what he staked himself to 3 short years ago. If that doesnt energize you, then …

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    Old Dan and Little Ann says:

    Cantor looks like Severus Snape right after a trip to the barber. I wish they’d stop showing him. My tv is in danger of being smashed.

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    middlewest says:

    Oooh he just announced a new series of Law & Order: Financial Crimes Unit

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    MazeDancer says:

    Build, Baby, Build!!!

    love the constant references to “Public investment”

    That Government can’t create jobs stuff not gonna work for 9 months. Especially if their candidate is a guy who destroyed so many jobs.

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    Cacti says:

    I can’t wait till Gingrich wins the GOP nom.

    400+ electoral vote landslide for Barack.

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    SIA says:

    @Roxie: That works too!

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    Dexter says:

    Tax heavens and Buffet rule!! There he goes carving up Mittens.

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    dmsilev says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Wait, BJ has standards?

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    Neither John Boehner nor Eric Cantor are wearing flag pins.

    Just saying.

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    JordanRules says:

    Wait, why do we get a ‘dedicated’ thread for the 50-11 clown car races and not the SOTU?

    I think there’s some great stuff in this one, for those willing to listen.

    Ahhh, the Buffet v. Secretary tax line. Nice.

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    JPL says:

    @TaMara (BHF): It’s unfortunate but I’m not sure there is a better class of trolls. Once they are educated, they got nothin.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Shiv is going into Romney right now.

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    lamh35 says:

    @Keith G:

    “9.52 pm. A big idea… Pure populism. Pure redistributionism. But the speech has lacked any big sustaining argument about the inequality and unfairness that has marked the last few years. And so all of this sounds like a series of shameless panders that someone has to pay for.

    It’s mostly just negative. Interspersed with some random positivity…dude is def falling out of love

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    middlewest says:

    Thanks for releasing your taxes, Mitt!

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    WyldPirate says:

    Interesting tautology Obama made re: putting higher ed “on notice” about holding down costs. Costs are going up for two main reasons:-1) decreasing funding by state governments that shifts more costs to students and 2) bloated bureaucracies of assistant to the assistant VP of masturbatory affairs and the like.

    If the trends in #1 and #2 continue, costs will continue to rise. His threat will further ratchet up costs.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Appears that the pie filter is OOC just like the damn Edit button.

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    Keith G says:

    If you make more than a million dollars a year…

    And the room got really quiet.

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    “when I spoke with the Speaker this summer” Boner actually flinched.

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    Ed Drone says:

    @Baud:

    Thou canst not serve God and Mormon! Saith the Lord.

    Ed

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    fleeting expletive says:

    “An America Built to Last”.

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    Cacti says:

    @MazeDancer:

    That Government can’t create jobs stuff not gonna work for 9 months

    Someone should tell Raytheon, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin that the government doesn’t create jobs.

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    lamh35 says:

    Obama: “When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich”

    Another rapier cut.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:

    “He moves faster than Severus Snape when confronted with shampoo.”

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    middlewest says:

    Woah, are republicans booing a ban on insider trading by congressmen?

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    Birthmarker says:

    A bit of googling revealed that actually the government never gave Chrysler a penny. The govt guaranteed traditional loans. The loans were fully repaid in 1983.

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    Keith G says:

    The last third of this speech is finally beginning to rock

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    Oh shit. He is taking on EVERYBODY in Congress now. UP OR DOWN VOTE BITCHES!

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @wobblybits: Hey, what’s your field in lit? I did 18th-c British.

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    freelancer says:

    @Keith G:

    Agreed, it’s picking up. But Sully is going to take his ball and go home, it seems. I’m guessing the old Tory was hoping he’d re-embrace Bowles Simpson or the Ryan plan, not go centrist by using the government to do things that are popular with most people, aka petty populism.

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    @JordanRules:

    I think the website is broken … slow as shit.

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    scav says:

    Vaingloriously
    Endorsing
    Romneybot
    Is
    Totally
    Amusing
    Shit

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    SIA says:

    Nancy SMASH! Looking very fine tonight.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Basically, a lot of this has been, “Congress, do your freaking job.” Also, “I am sane and grown-up.” Nice two pronged thrust.

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    fleeting expletive says:

    NANCY SMASH in the house! And Hillary, who looks a little tired, but that very long blonde flip is working for her. My hair is that long, but much more gray and I am almost her age. I wonder if it would work for me. I don’t wonder enough to dye it again, gave that up quite a few years ago.

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    Kyle says:

    @Veritas:

    I hate these stupid personal anecdotes. Was it Clinton that started that shit?

    That was Reagan, the king of cheap, transparently-manipulative sentimentality that goobers like you ate up with a spoon.

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    Keith G says:

    @lamh35: The finish of that point was the bulls eye:

    …that shortfall will either be added to the deficit of be made up by others with less money*

    A battle cry that needs to be repeated every week.

    *paraphrase

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @JordanRules:

    Wait, why do we get a ‘dedicated’ thread for the 50-11 clown car races and not the SOTU?

    FYWP has got the slows for me, too. Couldn’t get a new post up until you guys were well into the commentary!

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    You know what? SCREW SULLY. He was just waiting for a reason to show his Tory ass again anyway.

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    JPL says:

    My goodness, he is shooting down all the repub bullshit..

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    jl says:

    @scav:

    I wonder who is the winner (or loser, depending on your viewpoint) here of their drinking game tonight.

    OK, people, do not use everclear or other dangerously high proof spirits for these drinking games. You’ll put your eye out, kid

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    DCLaw1 says:

    Good lord, Andrew Sullivan’s concern trolling about this speech is INSUFFERABLE.

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    freelancer says:

    Veritas doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

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    SIA says:

    I just gave Lieberman the finger. Felt good. Fucker killed Medicare for all.

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    wobblybits says:

    @FlipYrWhig: It’s cultural studies 20th century (looking at the silencing and later (re) construction of collective national memory with regards to a brazilian national lit written in german during the time of nationalization)

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    Roxie says:

    @scav: Nice one

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    Judas Escargot says:

    @Elie:

    Perhaps I’ve been too vague: I agree that this is an energizing speech. But we live in an age where cynicism passes for sophistication.

    There are words here that might get through.

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    dadanarchist says:

    I have to echo everyone else: Sully is rolling out some Class-A Butthurt right now because Obama is actually laying out a liberal agenda.

    It’s hilarious/glorious to watch.

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    I do believe a rotund amphibian just got bitchslapped.

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    robertdsc-PowerBook says:

    Stomp their fucking ass, POTUS. Stomp that shit flat!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: Absinthe? What? I happen to like it.

    For the record, I am drinking mint tea.

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    wobblybits says:

    @wobblybits: brazilian nationalization, that is

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: He also misses the part where Bush was the one who guaranteed the loan in the first place.

    But that’s ok, I’m pretty sure Veritas’s biggest accomplishment in life is blowing his wad after typing something here he thought was witty.

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    Keith G says:

    It seems one person was worried about cyber threats.

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    lamh35 says:

    @JPL: when he’s on his game, it is like shooting fish from a barrel

    He’s been pretty fiesty since the beginning.

    RAchel said Mitch Daniels response was “partisan and pugnacious”…I wonder if they anticipated how fiery POTUS might be/

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    freelancer says:

    @dadanarchist:

    but but but, Obama is a sekrit conservative! Just like meeeee!

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    Chris says:

    @Kyle:

    That was Reagan, the king of cheap, transparently-manipulative sentimentality that goobers like you ate up with a spoon.

    “I heard this story about this black woman from this white judge in Chicago, therefore welfare queens driving Cadillacs are the source of all our nation’s woes.” Yeah, that was Reagan, all right.

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    GregB says:

    @DCLaw1:

    I just went over there and Sullivan is distraught.

    Soon he’ll be carping about the lack of Burke and Hayek.

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    DCLaw1 says:

    @dadanarchist: “His accurately describing GOP intransigence is so out of tune with those promises he personally made to me about bipartisanship!”

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    jl says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I wasn’t referring to you necessary. But, if your absinthe starts tasting like mint tea, you’ve had way too much.

    You damn kids get off my lawn, I’m trying to listen to the President.

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    garbo says:

    @SIA: Me too. I just HATE that sanctimonious asshole.

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    JordanRules says:

    @Southern Beale: Word. Glad we have a living thread at least.

    Close it out and drop the mic (figuratively of course) POTUS. Do your job Congress.

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    middlewest says:

    Obama/Gates/Clinton = BFF4EVAH

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    Angela says:

    @dadanarchist: I had to close Sully’s tab. He was making me sick.

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    wobblybits says:

    I refuse to watch the republican reponse. what’s the point? It will just be: obstruction, obstruction with a few soshulist, kommunist, alinsky, and he-is-not-like-us thrown in for good measure

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    DCLaw1 says:

    Gotta say, the president is pwning this speech.

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    Elie says:

    @robertdsc-PowerBook:

    Abso-fucking-lutely… flat as shit..

    the repugs look like stupid stumps sitting there — unable to admit that Obama is speakin truth… they KNOW he is but are not mensch enough to stand for our country — together…

    Whateveer some of y’all are gonna pick apart about what is or isnt to your liking tonight… your choice is clear and you cannot say that this man — this LEADER is not speaking the truth and to the heart of what we say we value. All the rest falls aways as bullshit.

    That’s all

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    General Stuck says:

    Some Seal team 6 kudos. Little wingnut baby jeevus got a woody.

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    dadanarchist says:

    @DCLaw1: @dadanarchist: “His accurately describing GOP intransigence is so out of tune with those promises he personally made to me about bipartisanship!”

    I can hear Sully’s bipartisan boner wilting all the way down here in Tennessee.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Dudes who killed OBL might have been Republicans, might have been Democrats. In the Situation Room I sat next to Bob Gates, Dubya’s SecDef, and Hillary Clinton, my rival for 2008 Dem nom.

    Wow.

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    garbo says:

    @dadanarchist: Best part…A recent poll of Sully’s readership showed that they are mostly Liberals. So he’s preaching to a choir that is lapping this speech up. Poor Sully. He’ll get beat up by his readers and then come around.

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    SIA says:

    @garbo: Can’t wait till he’s GONE.

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    WE ARE ALL AMERICANS YOU FUCKER’S. *Drops microphone*

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    lamh35 says:

    now who thinks Romney or Gingrich is gonna beat Obama in a debate

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    Old Dan and Little Ann says:

    Let’s see. More ideas in about seventy-five minutes than zero in eleventy GOP debates.

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    freelancer says:

    This is Pure Jon Stewart “I go, then you go…” points about the legitimacy of Unity.

    Oh and Veritas can burn his sphincter on a red hot, rusty pitchfork.

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    Scamp Dog says:

    @Trentrunner: I think I found the subject. If you delete huge amounts of the first sentence to get this:

    largely because its multinational colossi did not want to be bothered adapting to a changing world … unless their built-in advantages were preserved …

    and combine with the nominal second sentence, minus its first word (So):

    the Reagan administration … defanged and dismantled (etc)..

    …then the subject would be the Reagan Administration.

    Doghouse Riley could use an editor. Just like most of us bloggers and commenters, come to think of it.

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    General Stuck says:

    Now its Mitch Daniels to tell us we are owned by Citibank, and should be grateful. Especially those heathen labor unions.

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    JordanRules says:

    @Anne Laurie: Gotcha, thanks for lookin out though AL

    FYWP

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    Howard Kurtz, on Twitter:

    Going on one hour. Would it be unsportsmanlike to suggest that this guy could use an editor?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t he a member of the political press? Isn’t this … his job?

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    middlewest says:

    Anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

    He is ready to destroy Mitt. He’s already tasting the blood in his mouth.

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    garbo says:

    @SIA: At least we threw him out of the party. I’ll always look back on that vote with satisfaction.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: Absinthe tastes nothing like mint tea.

    As to the Pres., I think it was well done. He went for sane and sensible with liberal underpinnings.

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    dmsilev says:

    Watching members of Congress asking Obama for his autograph as he walked out was hilarious.

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    JPL says:

    Peggy Noonan said a speech about everything is a speech about nothing. Gotta say Peggy there is medicine for your condition and under the Obama health plan you also, too can afford medical care.

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    Veritas says:

    @lamh35:

    Depends on if he’s allowed to use his teleprompter or not.

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    geg6 says:

    Took it to them where it hurts, pugnatious, mostly liberal, policy wonk heaven.

    I liked it. Sully hated it. Which is good enough to me. Who is this on MSNBC talking about overseas corporate income? If it’s a juicebox mafia member, I’ll forgive his next libertarian bullshit post/op-ed just for that.

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    Angela says:

    Sully must be mad that he was reprimanded by the WH for printing something that was embargoed.

    I loved the ending, we are all Americans perhaps a few people in one party could start to remember that.

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    fleeting expletive says:

    Why doesn’t Sully just go back to Jolly Old E? Who f’ing needs him over here? I never read his shit because I don’t care for the dude. Remember when he scratched his ass/pulled his knickers from out his butt after being on Bill Maher’s show?

    Also, that chamber must have a lot of exits, it emptied rather quickly.

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    JCT says:

    @JPL: Way too late — alcoholic encephalopathy is really hard to reverse.

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    dmsilev says:

    As I said an hour or so ago, David Brooks really needs to be slapped in the face with a large wet fish.

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    Keith G says:

    Hmmm….. Lotta converts to the bully pulpit tonight.

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    JGabriel says:

    Is that Mitch Daniels? Or Tin Tin?

    .

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    Keith G says:

    Fuck….Daniels just shot Newt.

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    freelancer says:

    Oh hey everybody. It’s the villain from that old timey Mel Gibson movie The Patriot, only all growed up, and dressed like Howdy Doody.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Keith G: Oh for fuck’s sake, this crap again?

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    middlewest says:

    I’m trying to remember why old Bell Curve Sully’s opinion matters, and for the life of me, I can’t.

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    Chris says:

    @garbo:

    Me three. Possibly hate him even more than anyone (officially) on the other side of the aisle for that alone.

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    gnomedad says:

    @JPL:

    My goodness, he is shooting down all the repub bullshit..

    If you shoot it, you just make it mad.

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    jl says:

    I did not have the guts to read, or listen to, Romney’s prebuttal.

    So, not sure whether Obama keyed more off of Romney tax return release, or the prebuttal.

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    WyldPirate says:

    Daniels really tried to go their pinning “trickle down” on Obama….unbelievable.

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    WyldPirate says:

    Daniels really tried to go there pinning “trickle down” on Obama….unbelievable.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Veritas:

    My god, someone get this pathetic little shit a boner pill prescription, he needs it he’s so fucking limp.

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    Benjamin Franklin says:

    He went for sane and sensible with liberal underpinnings.

    Why do we place such import on words. No, rhetoric.?

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    clayton says:

    Listening to the old white guys on CBS after the speech and that they focus on the taxes tells me why I don’t give much weight to their analysis.

    It’s always about their taxes. Always about their money. It never changes.

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    Keith G says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Jus’ sayin’

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    WyldPirate says:

    Sorry bout the double post…

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Sully is the sort of pathetic little ass we tarred and feathered 240 years ago.

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    Montysano says:

    Did Daniels really talk about unemployment in terms of “men of prime working age”? Did he just come through a wormhole from the ’50s?

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    daniels has gone from the vi-agra of debt to the niagara of debt.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Keith G: Yeah, well, as has been said before, the bully pulpit is a tool. Sometimes it is the right tool for the job; sometimes it isn’t. It works better during campaign season than it does during policy debates.

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    Montysano says:

    @Montysano:

    Did Daniels really talk about unemployment in terms of “men of prime working age”? Did he just come through a wormhole from the ‘50s?

    And “freeborn”? What is this, 1875?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: You really are a bit of a late 18th century guy at heart, aren’t you?

    Also too, Daniels is a charisma vacuum. You feel the personality being sucked right out of the poor camera man as we watched. It was horrible.

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    Keith G says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    the bully pulpit is a tool. Sometimes it is the right tool for the job; sometimes it isn’t. It works better during campaign season than it does during policy debates.

    Progress.

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Sully made a few on target observations, but they got buried by a whiny affectation that seemed to have the character of a scorned lover. Sometimes he can live up to the worst stereotypes.

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    dww44 says:

    @JordanRules: I agree. I thought the speech was very effective. Full of stuff to chew on. Replete with specifics and positive and upbeat and determined. He covered most if not all the bases he needed to to slap down all those GOP charges about not being pro America. Started off with his Grandfather fighting with Patton. He goes a little far, IMO, with how great America is, but I darn well know why he does it. Humility in the face of all that lying and misleading from the right is no virtue.

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    @Keith G:
    Alright, we’ll do this again. And again, and again.

    The ‘bully pulpit’ is laughed at, because people like you kept coming forward and saying that Obama could make a speech to the nation and thus move congress. No, that does not work.

    Obama DOES give great speeches about liberal values. I’m glad you listened to this one. They can be very moving, as you see. It’s a shame the media does not report very many of them, but thankfully they can’t miss a SOTU, and now it’s campaign season.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    You see. Entitled white progressives cannot fathom that Obama can succeed unless they listen to them on what he should do. And is thoroughly lost on them, that the are intellectual pipsqueeks compared to the black guy that got his self elected president OF THIS country.

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    Cacti says:

    @General Stuck:

    You see. Entitled white progressives cannot fathom that Obama can succeed unless they listen to them on what he should do. And is thoroughly lost on them, that the are intellectual pipsqueeks compared to the black guy that got his self elected president OF THIS country.

    They’re the other side of the coin that insists on seeing Obama’s transcripts, birth certificate, student loan records, etc., because it’s just un-possible that a Knee-grow could win the WHITE house without cheating somehow.

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    Jebediah says:

    @Cacti:

    They’re the other side of the coin that insists on seeing Obama’s transcripts, birth certificate, student loan records, etc., because it’s just un-possible that a Knee-grow could win the WHITE house without cheating somehow.

    You’re right, sadly – and I really thought that the US of A would be closer to over that shit by now. Is it going to take another 150 years?

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