Mitch Daniels screws middle class working people in his state, before he heads off to give his speech to the pundits

Sad:

Indiana took a big step toward becoming the 23rd state in the nation with the controversial “right to work” law on the books, as the Senate passed the measure late Monday.
The House could vote on an identical version of the bill today — if, that is, enough House Democrats are present to let a vote take place.
Democrats have repeatedly shut down the House this session, denying Republicans the quorum they need to do business, and they went behind closed doors again late Monday.When Republicans get to take votes on this bill, they have the numbers to win. They proved it in the House on Monday, as they rejected every amendment Democrats offered, including one proposal to let voters decide the issue in a referendum.
Thousands of labor union members packed the House and Senate galleries and filled the hallways outside both chambers Monday. About 110 union members from a Munster laborers union even went to the home of House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, to protest the bill.
“Mr. Bosma and the Republican Party have made it their intention to hit us at our dinner table, so that’s where we want to hit him,” said Kevin Roach, business manager of Laborers’ International Union Local 41.
Bosma, though, said later: “This isn’t my first time to be intimidated or bullied about. It’s not going to stop anything.”
That was clear in the Statehouse. For nearly two hours in the Senate, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle argued passionately, each side citing statistics crafted to back its views.
As union protesters chanted “You lie” outside the Senate chambers, bill author Sen. Carlin Yoder, R-Middlebury, said the legislation will lower unemployment and result in higher-paying jobs. “We’ve heard the argument that ‘right to work’ really means right to work for less,” he said, “and I respectfully disagree with that.”
But Democrats said the legislation is instead an escalator taking Indiana down to lower-paying jobs and unsafe working conditions. Senate Minority Leader Vi Simpson, D-Ellettsville, said lawmakers should legislate by evidence and not anecdote. There’s no solid data proving that “right to work” laws lead to economic development, she said. ‘Right to work’ is nothing more than a race to the bottom for the middle class of Indiana,” she said.

When you’re listening to Mitch Daniels tonight, and hearing pundits afterwards tell us how smart he is and how moderate he is and how he’s the future of principled conservatism, remember that he lied to these people in order to get elected governor. He told them he wouldn’t go after private sector union members. Then he did.

Oh, and just for the record?

Here’s the unemployment rate in Indiana again.

Indiana under Daniels gave away the store to business interests and they got absolutely nothing in return. Gutted business regulation, gutted environmental regulation, sold state assets, deregulated and privatized public schools, destroyed public sector unions, and the unemployment rate in Indiana is comparable to the midwest states around Indiana, states that didn’t make all the concessions demanded by the “job creators”. The promised jobs never arrived.

When John Boehner speaks of Mitch Daniels he has to claim that Daniels was working on “a climate for job creation.” Not jobs. A “climate” where jobs might blow in like the weather, maybe, sometime, depending. Boehner has to use that odd and abstract language because Boehner knows what the unemployment rate is in Indiana, and he also knows that Daniels is a two-term governor who had a free hand to put in place the whole conservative-libertarian wish list. For years. That’s all in place, but the job creators just keep on demanding more concessions from Indiana, and Mitch Daniels just keeps handing them over.






81 replies
  1. 1
    Dork says:

    Am I too early with the “elections have consequences” banter? So sorry Indiana…maybe your voters enjoy making RVs for $9/hr, because, ya know, gays are icky and global warming is so fake.

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    Violet says:

    “Right to work” means “right to get richer” for CEOs of corporations.

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    General Stuck says:

    I know you get your dander up on these issues, Kay, so I will just say Karma is a beautiful thing, and I have a feeling that creating a right to work state in the heart of midwestern manufacturing zone, will not go over as well as in say, a Wyoming, or MS, or any number or southern welfare states that depend on the healthy blue states that pay their workers something they in turn pay more in taxes, to keep the paupers in Haley Barbour’s state fed and clothed.

    I predict they will pay a price in Indiana, maybe, being the northern most confederate state.

  4. 4
    jharp says:

    Friendly reminder that Indiana gets back more in federal tax dollars than it pays in. In other words, a welfare state.

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    Punchy says:

    Indiana’s a rich man’s Kentucky. Slightly more edjumacated with a tad less methheads, but possessing a monster Illinois Jealousy Complex and Notre Damn assholes.

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    Kay says:

    @General Stuck:

    I know you get your dander up on these issues, Kay, so I will just say Karma is a beautiful thing

    It’s going to be difficult, because they lie constantly. Romney ran on Right to Work in New Hampshire and South Carolina.
    He’ll lie when he gets to Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio.
    As I’ve said before, I think it’s going to be a big “underground” issue, ie: real people will care about it.
    It’s only “underground” because pundits don’t care about it, despite all the fake hand-wringing over the “middle class” and who appeals to “working class voters”.

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    jharp says:

    General Stuck.

    Indiana is a border state. In the southwest corner is where Lincoln suspended the right of habeas corpus.

    And we still have plenty of confederate flags in Indianapolis, who had a Klansman as mayor in the 20’s.

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    MikeTheZ says:

    Every day I feel just a little more like the Republicans should be able to pass every awful bill they want so the morans who voted for them get exactly what they deserve.

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    Tone In DC says:

    Kay, great post.

    When John Boehner speaks of Mitch Daniels he has to claim that Daniels was working on “a climate for job creation.” Not jobs. A “climate” where jobs might blow in like the weather, maybe, sometime, depending. Boehner has to use that odd and abstract language because Boehner knows what the unemployment rate is in Indiana…

    Funny how that works.

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    RepubAnon says:

    No, no, no – Indiana’s unemployment problem stems from Mitch Daniel’s slow pace of reforms. The jobs will pour in once he eliminates all labor and environmental laws and passes new laws allowing 12 hour/day, 7 day per week shifts by workers paid $10/day and housed in company-run dormitories (plus tort reform laws that forbid workers from suing their employers, but allow the employers to sue the surviving family members of any worker that commits suicide). See Apple and a Squeezed Middle Class (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01.....class.html)

  11. 11
    Elizabelle says:

    Kay:

    Could you put a tag “posts by Kay” with your blogposts?

    That would actually be a great help for all the frontpagers.

    I ask because you and Tom Levenson write long, and on complex topics. I don’t always read the posts in a timely manner, but would love to be able to go back and read through your arguments.

    For that matter, I’d love if the pets got their own tag too.

    Don’t ask for much, hmmm?

    If we can locate “Assholes” and “#Dickwhisperer” in the categories, I vote we should also be able to find Kay, mistermix, Rosie and Tunch.

    Together or separately.

  12. 12
    Butch says:

    And not far away in Wisconsin, under that business-friendly governor, the state is reporting the loss of another 5,600 jobs in December; I don’t remember how long the job-loss streak is but it’s pretty impressive.

  13. 13
    beltane says:

    @Butch: Never let it be said that Republicans aren’t good at anything. They are masters of fail. Too bad the people who vote for them lack the necessary cognitive ability to understand cause and effect.

  14. 14
    Steve in Iowa says:

    @Punchy:

    The “assholes” at the Notre Dame Msgr. Higgins Labor Research Center work tirelessly against the Daniel’s agenda. I know them personally.

  15. 15
    Steve in Iowa says:

    “The “assholes” at the Notre Dame Msgr. Higgins Labor Research Center work tirelessly against the Daniel’s agenda. I know them personally.”

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    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @RepubAnon: One of the things we seem to have lost is the idea that if you make small changes and see results, then we can make bigger changes. People have lost sight of that, and have bought into the idea that it will magically work when all resistance is removed. I know why – the ideas match their preconceived notions – but we’ve got to cure it somehow. I’m just wondering how many of these people would raise their kids this way: “But mom, my grades will improve when you let me stay up all night.”

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    RosiesDad says:

    I am also of the “elections have consequences” school of thought. If the voters of Indiana elected Mitch Daniels and Republican majorities in both chambers of their state legislature, they should get to enjoy the policies these people enact. And if they don’t like it, they can vote for change the next time around. Obstructing the will of the majority by skipping out of town to prevent a quorum is a bullshit tactic.

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    kindness says:

    I hate to say it but Newt may be right in this one. The media ‘elites’ don’t and won’t tell this story accurately. Now, Newt sucks, god I hope he’s the nominee. Is there any way someone could smuggle in rotted vegetables to pelt Daniels with as he gives his rebuttal? That would rock so much.

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    rea says:

    Daniels was working on “a climate for job creation.”

    I thought Republicans didn’t believe in climate change?

  20. 20
    kindness says:

    @RosiesDad:

    Obstructing the will of the majority by skipping out of town to prevent a quorum is a bullshit tactic.

    Not in defense of your people it isn’t.

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    Hoosierville says:

    @RosiesDad: I feel for Rosie. The tradition in this state…since we have no recall and to avoide the tyranny of the majority is to boycott. During the Civil War THE REPUBLICANS

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    beltane says:

    @rea: Well, they do believe in the power of prayer to end droughts and stop tornadoes in their tracks. Maybe prayer also has a place in creating a climate for job creation.

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    Paris says:

    What happened to the self proclaimed “lunch pail Republicans”?

    cowards.

  24. 24

    Thanks for the great post Kay. They’re convinced that lining the pockets of the 1% will somehow make the US great. Which it will – for the 1%. It might also ultimately raise the stock prices of pitchfork manufacturers.

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    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): they’re convinced trying to convince the 99% that lining the pockets of the 1% will somehow make the US great.

    I miss the edit button.

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    Paris says:

    @RosiesDad:

    Obstructing the will of the majority by skipping out of town to prevent a quorum is a bullshit tactic.

    It depends on whether the Republicans ran on this as part of their campaign platform. If they didn’t then people have the right to complain. That’s the main complaint in Wisconsin – Walker never uttered a word about the radical policies he’s trying to implement.

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    Hoosierville says:

    @RosiesDad:

    DELURKING…and boy do I feel for Rosie.

    The tradition in the Hoosier state…since we have no recall and to avoid the tyranny of the majority is to boycott. During the Civil War THE REPUBLICANS stayed away from the house floor for two months in order to keep Indiana out of the confederacy. During Bauer’s last term as speaker the GOP reps walked out for two weeks and the Dems never dreamed of passing a special law to fine them. This is basically a filibuster. Perhaps you should read a little history before pronoucing bullshit. And no THEY DID NOT RUN ON THIS PLATFORM. There is video of Daniels

    From Indiana Civil War Wiki:

    Morton had already made several unconstitutional moves, including the establishment of the state arsenal, and the Democrats decided to attempt to rein him in. When the legislature sought to remove the state militia from his command and transfer it to a state board of Democratic commissioners, Morton immediately broke up the General Assembly. He feared that once in control of militia, the Democrats might attempt to overthrow him and secede from the Union. He issued secret instructions to Republican legislators, asking them to stay away from the capitol to prevent the General Assembly from attaining the quorum needed for the body to pass any legislation. With Morton’s aid, the Republicans fled to Madison where they could quickly flee into Kentucky should the Democrats attempt to forcibly return them to the capitol.[15][16][17]

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    Hoosierville says:

    @RosiesDad:

    DELURKING…and boy do I feel for Rosie.

    The tradition in the Hoosier state…since we have no recall and to avoid the tyranny of the majority is to boycott. During the Civil War THE REPUBLICANS stayed away from the house floor for two months in order to keep Indiana out of the confederacy. During Bauer’s last term as speaker the GOP reps walked out for two weeks and the Dems never dreamed of passing a special law to fine them. This is basically a filibuster. Perhaps you should read a little history before pronoucing bullshit. And no THEY DID NOT RUN ON THIS PLATFORM. There is video of Daniels

    From Indiana Civil War Wiki:

    Morton had already made several unconstitutional moves, including the establishment of the state arsenal, and the Democrats decided to attempt to rein him in. When the legislature sought to remove the state militia from his command and transfer it to a state board of Democratic commissioners, Morton immediately broke up the General Assembly. He feared that once in control of militia, the Democrats might attempt to overthrow him and secede from the Union. He issued secret instructions to Republican legislators, asking them to stay away from the capitol to prevent the General Assembly from attaining the quorum needed for the body to pass any legislation. With Morton’s aid, the Republicans fled to Madison where they could quickly flee into Kentucky should the Democrats attempt to forcibly return them to the capitol.[15][16][17]

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    jl says:

    Whew! Boehner knows the unemployment rate in Indiana? Frealz?

    Wow, this Boehner guy seems to know a lot of egghead statistical stuff.

    Maybe Brian Williams could hire Boehner to help him do some research on economical stats.

    Before, you know, Williams says wrong stuff about the national unemployment rate on a national broadcast.

    Maybe if those stingy corporate suits threw Williams a few million dollars more a year, he would be propertly incentivized to, uh, know something about the real world in our great United States.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Imagine if union drivers refuse to deliver any beer to Lucas Oil Stadium for the next two weeks. That would surely bring national attention to the problem.

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    kay says:

    @RosiesDad:

    Obstructing the will of the majority by skipping out of town to prevent a quorum is a bullshit tactic.

    I do think it makes a difference if they were lied to. They were. They have Daniels on record as saying he wouldn’t go after private sector unions.

    Now that he’s on the way out and doesn’t need the +/- 40% of union votes the GOP get, he’s going to screw them? That’s a bullshit tactic.

    The Democrats wanted an amendment that would have allowed for a referendum. That’s what they were holding out for.

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    Hoosierville says:

    Sorry, cut myself off on the video of Daniels bit. There is video of him before the last election promising labor that he would never, ever allow so-called RTW pass in Indiana. He is the biggest Bald-headed Weasel there ever was.

    Here’s the Wiki Link.

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    Hoosierville says:

    Sorry, cut myself off on the video of Daniels bit. There is video of him before the last election promising labor that he would never, ever allow so-called RTW pass in Indiana. He is the biggest Bald-headed Weasel there ever was.

    Here’s the Wiki Link.

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    jl says:

    The GOP isn’t playing this right. With the mortgage and foreclosure mess still with us, they should cut a PR clip or the Chinese corporate workers’ bunk houses. Explain how much better that will be, how it will lift many burdens off of the workers.

    See, they don’t have to worry about no stinking mortgages. Life is fee and easy.

    Right to work can make it happen folks! Your welfare will be improved, and if you don’t agree, you are an elitist.

    Read yourself a history of working class in America. In the old days, a lotta people got their first step on the rung of the ladder of upward success saving all those living costs in bunk houses. They even had a company thugh, strawboss, foreman, uh, I mean, a generously company provided worklife concierge to beat the crap out of them, uh, no, find innovative solutions to hard hard tradeoff workers had to face in balancing competing demands for their time and effort.

    Then the progressive ruined it.

  35. 35
    HRA says:

    Sorry if OT here.
    Speaking -err writing about rebuttals – Willard is going to give a rebuttal to the State of the Union speech any moment now. JMJ I have never seen this kind of utter disrespect ever and I have been around quite awhile watching politics.

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    kay says:

    @RosiesDad:

    It was the same situation in Ohio, btw. The GOP legislators signed statements that they wouldn’t go after union members in order to get their endorsements.

    Then they went after unions.

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    Monkey Business says:

    As a native Hoosier and current resident of the great state of Indiana, I can’t take it anymore.

    I love my hometown of Indianapolis. I love my state. But after eight years of Mitch Fucking Daniels, with an almost guaranteed four years of Mike Pence, I’m done.

    It’s off to Illinois, where at least Chicago can balance out the utter nuttiness of the rest of the state.

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    General Stuck says:

    @HRA:

    I think he is calling it a pre buttal, which makes as much sense as “self deportation”. Though I am fond of creating new words, for Romney to do this now is pathetic and fairly desperate.

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    kay says:

    @HRA:

    Willard is going to give a rebuttal to the State of the Union speech any moment now. JMJ I have never seen this kind of utter disrespect ever and I have been around quite awhile watching politics.

    I think it’s awful and typically tone deaf to call it a “prebuttal”. No one has elected him to anything. He chose himself.

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    BenA says:

    @Paris:

    It depends on whether the Republicans ran on this as part of their campaign platform. If they didn’t then people have the right to complain. That’s the main complaint in Wisconsin – Walker never uttered a word about the radical policies he’s trying to implement.

    They never actually run on it. If they actually said what they were going to do they would never get elected… no Republican does… but it’s all there if you dig.

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    jl says:

    @kay: I agree.

    If the Indiana Democratic legislators can take the boycott to the next election and explain it honestly, and win, it is not a BS tactic.

    They represent their districts, and need to do what they need to do to look after the interests of their constituents. If the issue is serious enough, and the majority party lied to the people, then extreme measures may be required.

    A group of legislators who are obstructionist, and then lie about it, that is a BS tactic.

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    negative 1 says:

    @RosiesDad: : Are you arguing that the public should vote on it then? Because in that case I agree with you. However in this case the people elected lied about their position on the matter, so it’s hard to prove that the ‘will of the people’ was for right to work. The thing about right-to-work is that it is really up for debate whether or not it affects anyone other than the people in unions, and whether or not agency fee payers really clamor for it. It has been proven, however, to adversely affect the wages of workers in states where it has been implemented, and most of all it adversely affects the financial positions of unions, who disproportionately donate to Democratic candidates.

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    beltane says:

    Meanwhile, that picture of Mitt Romney getting a shoeshine on the tarmac has gone viral. It reminds me of John Edwards and the $500 haircut on the airplane. Something about conspicuous consumption and airports must really rub Americans the wrong way, perhaps because air travel for the 99% is usually a near-hellish experience.

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    leo from Chicago says:

    Indiana GOPers planning race to bottom:

    Many of the measure’s supporters also see an advantage in Indiana’s geography: It borders only non-right-to-work states and would be the only Midwestern industrial state to have such a law. “I think whichever of the Midwest states does it first will have an edge in terms of job growth and bringing new employment,” says Republican Representative Jerry Torr, the bill’s House sponsor. “Michigan and Ohio would probably fall like dominoes shortly after because they would have to in order to compete.”

    http://www.stateline.org/live/.....tId=626385

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    jl says:

    Uh, mitt gives a ‘prebuttal’?

    He is so PR inept or has so little interesting to say that he thinks he can’t get any attention after the debate?

    Why is Mitt doing this? Seems dumb to me.

    How can you use a rebuttal as an effective tactic, if you give the person you are rebutting the last word?

    Bizarre.

    I predict some problems will develop with this strategy. (note the time and date of another ‘you can take it to the bank’ jl prediction, which with a buck will get you a cup of coffee)

    But, hey, Mitt, go for it. I like the way you handle campaigning.

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    kay says:

    @jl:

    That’s why it was infuriating to listen to the Tea Party and pundits after Obamacare passed, with the “shoved down our throats”.

    Obama ran on it. All Democrats run on it. For decades. Anyone who didn’t know Democrats were going to try to reform healthcare had to be completely ignoring all Democrats, for decades.

    That isn’t true for conservatives in these states. Mitch Daniels didn’t run on RTW. In fact, he denied it.

    The GOP governor of Michigan is denying he’s going after unions right now, because he doesn’t want to lose the margin of union members who vote GOP.

    Should be interesting when Romney/Newt/Paul get to Michigan.

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    gibsojj says:

    Hey in MS we just got two new car manufacturing plants and a high tech microchip factory. Don’t act like we just sit around on our thumbs when we’re one of the few states actually growing industry.

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    Mary says:

    Great post, Kay.

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    Violet says:

    @beltane:
    I love that shoeshine on the tarmac photo. It summarizes the “rich, entitled corporate asshat” very effectively. Only the very rich or very well connected fly on private jets. The rest of us are lucky if we make it through security without having our privates groped.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @gibsojj:

    How many hundreds of million of dollars in tax incentives did you cough up to get those factories?

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    Violet says:

    @kay:

    Should be interesting when Romney/Newt/Paul get to Michigan.

    I’m glad the GOP primary race is going on longer than they expected. If they have a debate in a manufacturing state, maybe some of these issues will get discussed. Or at least, someone at a rally might bring them up.

  52. 52
    jl says:

    @gibsojj: The states with unemployment rates over ten percent are a motley crew, aren’t they?

    Nevada 13.0
    California 11.3
    District of Columbia 10.6
    Mississippi 10.5
    Rhode Island 10.5
    Florida 10.0
    Illinois 10.0
    North Carolina 10.0

    At least the rate CA is dropping pretty fast, four times as fast as MS.

    But, seriously, I would never accuse the people of MS of ‘sitting on their thumbs’. I worked down there after katrina, met a lot of wonderful people, and some very progressive ones (allowing for some regional differences in cultural outlook, too.

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    Butch says:

    @leo from Chicago: Although I mentioned Wisconsin in my post, I actually live in Michigan’s UP. I have no idea how influential this group is (it seems pretty extremely right wing), but the Mackinac Center in Michigan is already arguing that if Indiana goes right to work, Michigan won’t have any choice but to follow.

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    RosiesDad says:

    @kindness:

    Not in defense of your people it isn’t.

    Tell yourself that the next time the Senate Republican minority filibusters a piece of legislation the House has passed.

    @Paris:

    I do think it makes a difference if they were lied to. They were. They have Daniels on record as saying he wouldn’t go after private sector unions.

    Then that’s the ad you run at the next election to throw the Republicans out and undo the damage they did. IF the voters throw them out.

    @kay:

    It was the same situation in Ohio, btw. The GOP legislators signed statements that they wouldn’t go after union members in order to get their endorsements.

    Then they went after unions.

    Make them pay in the next election cycle.

    @negative 1:

    Are you arguing that the public should vote on it then? Because in that case I agree with you. However in this case the people elected lied about their position on the matter, so it’s hard to prove that the ‘will of the people’ was for right to work.

    I am arguing that IF the people make shitty choices at the ballot box, they ought to have to live with the consequences of those shitty choices. And hopefully it will make them rethink their electoral choices the next time they head out to vote.

    That is how the Dems won back Congress in 2006 and won the White House in 2008.

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    Redshift says:

    @Violet: I’m glad it’s going viral (couldn’t happen to a nicer guy), but it turns out he’s not actually getting a shoe shine in front of a corporate jet, he’s getting a security screening in front of a charter flight on the campaign trail in 2008.

    Arguably, it’s one of those falsehoods that reveals a larger truth, but I’m not going to be repeating it, just because I’d be uncomfortable being called on it.

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    DanielX says:

    Right. Given the changes Mitch has already shoved through, not to mention the state’s anemic environmental regs and even weaker enforcement of them, we ought to have traffic jams at the state border(s) as businesses and potential employees fight to move here. Oddly enough….

    @Punchy:

    Indiana’s a rich man’s Kentucky. Slightly more edjumacated with a tad less methheads, but possessing a monster Illinois Jealousy Complex and Notre Damn assholes.

    I’ll have you know we have just as many methheads (at least per capita) as Kentucky. Education, maybe a skosh better. Illinois jealousy? Not so much, except maybe for the corruption – not enough money here to fight about, really. And not everybody at Notre Dame or who graduated from there is an asshole, just a lot of them.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Violet:

    “Right to work” means “right to get richer” for CEOs of corporations.

    I always read it as “right to be treated like shit by an asshole boss”.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @gibsojj:

    Don’t act like we just sit around on our thumbs when we’re one of the few states actually growing industry.

    How much did the state offer as bribes economic incentives and tax mitigation for those companies?

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    John M. Burt says:

    Well, if nobody else is going to quote Dr. King, I will:

    “In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as ‘right-to-work.’ It provides no ‘rights’ and no ‘works.’ Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining… We demand this fraud be stopped.”

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Damn you, lack of edit button for correcting the strikeout.

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    beltane says:

    @Redshift: The picture is still somewhat damning. Normal people are not given a chair and treated with deference when they go through airport security. Every pore of Romney’s body oozes with entitlement. He makes Prince Charles look like a commoner.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Another side benefit: a domestic tumbrel manufacturing sector where none existed since the 1930s.

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    slag says:

    @jl:

    Uh, mitt gives a ‘prebuttal’?

    Place no limits on the rich white Republican sense of entitlement.

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    kay says:

    @DanielX:

    I’ll have you know we have just as many methheads (at least per capita) as Kentucky

    I want you to know I once lived in Mishawaka. Right by the railroad tracks. Like, right on the railroad tracks.

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    Redshift says:

    @beltane: I agree, but during a presidential campaign it’s a bit different — I suspect it’s a charter flight vs. airline difference more than a rich entitled asshole difference. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are similar pictures of other candidates, or could be.

    Anyway, all’s fair, so I’m not going to go around correcting it wherever I see it, I’m just not going to be passing it along. Maybe that makes me a less vicious campaigner than Republicans, but I like to think that’s the advantage of having the truth on our side.

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    DanielX says:

    @kay:

    But you survived and got out, which says much for your strength of spirit.

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    kay says:

    @DanielX:

    Oh, I chose to live there. I moved there. My neighborhood had an amazing number of dive bars. One dive bar for every 50 residents, give or take. I don’t know what it looks like now.

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    MacKenna says:

    Forgive my ignorance, but what is a “right to work” law? I sense it is a right to be a slave wage earner law…which would make sense coming from Republicans who prefer a democracy in which only the 1% get to vote.

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    Pococurante says:

    The GOP of the last three decades is built on lies. Voters whining that they were misled simply demonstrates they did not take their franchise seriously.

    So yes, consequences.

    To be fair to the GOP, they’ve done a fantastic job over the same three decades turning the Democratic party into Republicanism-lite.

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    RosiesDad says:

    @Hoosierville: Rosie is absolutely spoiled rotten. And the joy of my life.

    Understand, I do not approve of what the Republicans in Indiana are doing. But they were fairly elected by the people of Indiana. If the policies they impose cause pain to their constituencies, they ought to pay at the next election. That’s how democracy is supposed to work.

    Further, I find it difficult to justify based on something the Republicans did 150 years ago.

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    kay says:

    @MacKenna:

    It allows people to belong to unions without paying dues. The dues are mandatory because of the “free rider” problem. Non-paying members enjoy the protections, but they don’t pay for them.

    What it eventually does it destroy the union because they’re no longer, well, a union, working in concert and all paying in.

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    rikryah says:

    thank you for keeping us informed, kay.

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    Jay in Oregon says:

    When John Boehner speaks of Mitch Daniels he has to claim that Daniels was working on “a climate for job creation.” Not jobs. A “climate” where jobs might blow in like the weather, maybe, sometime, depending. Boehner has to use that odd and abstract language because Boehner knows what the unemployment rate is in Indiana, and he also knows that Daniels is a two-term governor who had a free hand to put in place the whole conservative-libertarian wish list.

    Boehner also has to do that because he has to stay on message that “government doesn’t create jobs.” So under Republicans, government cannot create any jobs, ever.

    (Which is the most completely nonsensical bullshit I’ve ever heard. What, exactly, is the line of “reasoning”?)

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    dollared says:

    @kay: Fewer, Kay. I was there in October. South Bend has allowed more, er “commercial development” near the ND campus, so the flow of Cathodollars to the Mishiwaka bars has nearly dried up.

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    dollared says:

    @RosiesDad: It’s rather sporting of you to follow the rules of cricket to the letter, RosiesDad ol’ chap, but supposing that we all followed your rules?

    You see, you have already made the point. Democrats won the 2006 and 2008 elections. Have we reversed the Bush Tax Cuts yet? Have we fixed the FEC? Have we re-established a centrist majority in the Supreme Court?

    How hard to you think it will be, old boy, for us to reverse our little setback in Indiana? All it will take to reverse right to work is a 60%+ majority of both houses in the legislature and control of the governorship. When do you think was the last time our side had that kind of share in Indiana?

    And in the meantime, tens of thousands of Indiana workers will lose their union jobs and their livelihoods.

    But old boy I really admire your sportsmanship in making sure our side fights by the Marquis de Queensbury rules.

    I just hope Rosie never has to live in Indiana and has a lecher for a supervisor. Jus’ sayin’…..

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    dollared says:

    @RosiesDad: It’s rather sporting of you to follow the rules of cricket to the letter, RosiesDad ol’ chap, but supposing that we all followed your rules?

    You see, you have already made the point. Democrats won the 2006 and 2008 elections. Have we reversed the Bush Tax Cuts yet? Have we fixed the FEC? Have we re-established a centrist majority in the Supreme Court?

    How hard to you think it will be, old boy, for us to reverse our little setback in Indiana? All it will take to reverse right to work is a 60%+ majority of both houses in the legislature and control of the governorship. When do you think was the last time our side had that kind of share in Indiana?

    And in the meantime, tens of thousands of Indiana workers will lose their union jobs and their livelihoods.

    But old boy I really admire your sportsmanship in making sure our side fights by the Marquis de Queensbury rules.

    I just hope Rosie never has to live in Indiana and has a supervisor with a wandering eye. Jus’ sayin’…..

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    Ladyblug says:

    Another Kock disciple that includes Scott Walker, Kaisch,… this shit that ALEC has unleashed is frightening and must be stopped!

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