NH Voting

The primary kind of sneaked up on me. I thought we had at least another week of stupidity before they started voting.

At any rate, what are the predictions? I’m thinking Romney will walk away with this one.

Oh, and Tebow? Really? Tebow? This has been me the last 48 hours:

Just subsitute “refund” with Tebow.






145 replies
  1. 1
    Malatesta says:

    Mittens by 13 points
    Guy Who Believes in Evolution just barely edging out GOOOOOOOLD!
    Froth over Newt by 2 as Gingrich’s collapse continues
    And I guess Perry is still running

  2. 2
    Martin says:

    That Huntsman is polling over 1% just underscores how non-representative NH is of the nation, even just looking at the GOP voting base.

    SC will be the decider as usual.

  3. 3
    redshirt says:

    Amusingly(sadly) enough, if Tebow were to run he’d instantly be a Repuglican favorite, and would swoop up much of the Snowgrifter’s demographic.

  4. 4
    MattF says:

    The Higher Powers have apparently decreed that Mittsy wins if he gets over 30%, so I predict 30.000000001 percent for the Soulless One. You can sell your soul at the market rate, but Satan has a sense of humor.

  5. 5
    lacp says:

    Imagine Tim Tebow throwing touchdowns into the end zone at Heinz Field….forever.

  6. 6
    Schlemizel says:

    Define “walk away”. Willard will win but if he does not get at least 50% he is going to catch hell from a lot of people, if he falls below 40% it will be painted as a defeat.

    Interesting that it looks like Huntsman is the NH not-mitt. When they head back down to the slave states it will be Ol Frothy again I assume.

  7. 7
    geg6 says:

    Not even the MSM think the NH primary is interesting. Charlie Peirce says that they’ve pretty much all decamped to SC. The GOP in NH is an anomaly. SC is home base for the crazy that exemplifies today’s GOP. That’s where it gets interesting.

  8. 8
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I’m not so sure that OvenMitt is walking away with this one. His obvious glee with inflicting economic pain on others may give Huntsman and Paul a surge. Not a Santorum surge, obviously, but OvenMitt’s air of inevitability may take a hit here.

    Also, Noot is firing up the attack ads for SC. This, coupled with OvenMitt’s bizarre religion may at least slow down the march to coronation.

    This ain’t over yet, flyboy.

  9. 9
    James Hulsey says:

    Now you know the pain that Browns fans feel at the mention of another Denver QB’s name.

    John Elway.

  10. 10
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    I love ya Cole, but HA HA. It wasn’t just Tebow. Our defense showed up for most of the game.

  11. 11
    Ed Drone says:

    I’m thinking Romney will walk away with this one.

    Yes, but the pundits say it’ll be akin to a loss if he doesn’t run away with it. If he still gets his 25%, his “brand” gets a little more tarnish on it, so that when he wins the Republican’t nomination, the “enthusiasm” will be a lot closer to ‘resigned ennui’ than ‘rabid fandom.’

    Of course, there are some very rabid Republican’ts, but they’re mostly rabid talibangelicals or rabid anti-Obama neoracists, not establishment GOOPers. Turnout will be the telling point in this race (as it always is).

    Ed

  12. 12
    Schlemizel says:

    @MattF:
    I had read that Willard was predicting 40% – was that not true? I’m trying to not pay attention to them, I’m sick enough on my own without having GOP poison added to my system.

    If the polls are saying 30 & the candidate says 40 thats asking for trouble.

  13. 13
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Schlemizel:

    Two things in NH:

    1. Huntsman is picking up momentum

    2. Don’t discount the libertarian weirdos delivering a strong showing for Paul.

    On the subject of SC, the Pharisees have decided that Santorum is the guy they’ll back to stop the Satan worshiper.

  14. 14
    PeakVT says:

    Romney is the nominee, but I heartily support any and all attempts by his fellow Republicans to bloody him for no good reason.

  15. 15
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @geg6:

    The GOP in NH is an anomaly.

    You mean like those legislators who want every bill to demonstrate how it is grounded in Magna Carta? NH GOP cedes crazy to no other state. They are as guano-certified as the rest.

  16. 16
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign:

    The Steelers secondary was dreaming of golf courses in Hawaii during much of the game.

  17. 17
    4tehlulz says:

    Mitt will meet minimal expectations: 40%
    Huntsman will seal up his ’16 bid with 20%
    Paul will get his 15%.
    Who care about the others.

  18. 18
    redshirt says:

    @Gin & Tonic: It’s a different kind of crazy. Less Jesus, more Rand.

  19. 19
    Yevgraf says:

    @lacp:

    Imagine Tim Tebow throwing touchdowns into the end zone at Heinz Field….forever.

    Oh, man. That is too cruel.

  20. 20
    flukebucket says:

    Good Morning America on ABC was fawning over the Tebow touchdown pass today. The guy actually said that if the pass had been 1/10th of a second earlier or later it would have probably been incomplete. He said it as if it were some kind of great nugget of information that most had overlooked. He said it as if the pass was so perfect that only divine intervention could explain it.

    Personally I am lovin’ this shit.

    I can just see in my minds eye Costanza with sweaty hands resting on restaurant table staring at the ceiling with wild eyes and screaming TEEEEEEBOW!

  21. 21
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Mayhaps, but they also spent most of their time on the line trying to stop the run. They disrespected Tebow’s arm, and they paid for it. Not that they didn’t have a good reason to disrespect it, as his accuracy in 5-15 yard situations is atrocious. Anyways, we still deserve some credit for winning. It was a team effort.

  22. 22
    redshirt says:

    @flukebucket: The 316 passing yards is taking off as a meme. There’s a not small number of people that are taking Tebow as sign of GOD.

    Making Darth Hoody’s destruction of him all the more sweet.

  23. 23
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @flukebucket:

    He said it as if the pass was so perfect that only divine intervention could explain it.

    We need to find an arena with starving lions in it, stat, and toss this asswipe into it.

    The ASPCA will of course object to both starving the lions and offering this tainted shitstain to them, but screw it. The asshole needs to die a painful, public death.

  24. 24
    geg6 says:

    Gin & Tonic @15:

    Hey, at least they are referencing a secular document from the AD period and not some Bronze Age myths from a thousand years before Jeebus.

    They’re all assholes, but the Invisible Sky Wizard assholes creep me out more.

  25. 25
    Napoleon says:

    @James Hulsey:

    John Elway.

    When Modell moved the team to Baltimore Elway was quoted in the Cleveland Plain Dealer saying something like “I am no longer the most hated person in Cleveland”.

  26. 26
    Lol says:

    I wonder if “I like firing people” line will have the same impact Hillary’s tears did at the last minute in 2008.

  27. 27
    Schlemizel says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    I think you are correct but it would be funnnn if Willard didn’t hit his mark.

    I hope that the Gingrinch can draw blood in SC. Read on line that one of the victims of Bain was a SC company, hopefully they can dredge up some ex-employee who’s pension money is helping to fund Willards vanity project. The smell of blood in the water would really excite the media sharks.

  28. 28
    redshirt says:

    @Lol: Oh yeah, I’m still pissed at NH for prolonging the Dem primary in 2008. If Obama could have cleanly taken NH, it would have been a much smoother road.

  29. 29
    General Stuck says:

    I just hope Citizens United comes with a money back guarantee for bought elections. When the wingnuts get done mauling their own with shadowy PACS, and anoint their chief clown and tea party knob washer, the shitstorm of the new century will start. Democrats need to make the mother of all ads on a loopety loop starring The Bane of Mitt (if he wins the nom) and his career of larding his silver spoon as a destroyer of middle class worlds and lives.

    Then watch the soulless shithead stutter himself silly trying to explain in an election about creating jobs. If any of the others pulls it out, they all will have their own versions of A Nightmare On Elmstreet to answer for, that will make Obama look like prince charming by comparison. And yet, no matter what happens, Obama will still win by a shoestring, probably, maybe. What a country?

  30. 30
    kay says:

    @General Stuck:

    Hi Stuck! I was wondering about you.

    Sorry. Off topic.

    Back to your serious bidness :)

  31. 31
    Zach says:

    Dems need to stop going all operation-chaos on Mittens. He’s a weak candidate, but no one in the race now will beat him… go too far, and we’ll get a different, better Republican candidate (one without, say, photos of money pouring out of his pockets) who’d be much worse should he actually manage to become President.

    Mitt’s not remotely threatened right now… he’s the only candidate in the race with money other than Perry and Gingrich. Perry is a buffoon. Gingrich uses the money to enrich himself rather than his chances of winning. No one else is spending money to organize in post-Super-Tuesday states, get ballot access, etc. The race has gone on long enough to give Obama a head start and force Mitt to come out with tax plans and immigration policies that’ll cost him dearly… he’s not threatened enough right now to defend himself from the right.

  32. 32
    joes527 says:

    @4tehlulz:

    Huntsman will seal up his ‘16 bid with 20%

    20% in NH is the springboard to a 2016 victory? I’m not seeing it.

    In 2016, Huntsman will be the guy who decisively lost to the guy who lost to Obama.

    Now, in a rational world, the R’s will be asking themselves whether it is significant that the one constant in all their failures is themselves … but get serious. We don’t live in a rational world. The 2016 R lineup will make the 2012 lineup look like elder statesmen.

  33. 33
    Mark S. says:

    The twelve people who still read National Review are subjected to watching the editors do a group blowjob on Mittens.

  34. 34
    General Stuck says:

    @kay:

    Hi Kay :)

  35. 35
    Schlemizel says:

    @redshirt:
    Ya know, when bowel obstruction bill (thanks to who ever coined that one BTW – I was tired of brick head now that he shortened his handle) first mentioned that 316 number I assumed it was just more sludge he had pulled out of his favorite orifice. But seeing it repeated I went & check & her really did throw for 316 on 10 passes. That is weird. Now, if the guy ever turns gatoraid into wine I may have to shift my allegiance from the one true pasta to this Tebow guy.

  36. 36
    catclub says:

    @4tehlulz: I will be amazed at 20% for Huntsman. That would be some serious running under the radar. (yes, I know the press has been fluffing him more than the others. But a guy who gets what – 0.5% in Iowa seems out of it.)

  37. 37
    GregB says:

    Many of the GOP chin strokers have been saying that the liberal media is forcing Mitt down their throats.

    I have seen FaceBook chatter by wingnuts telling us they’ll hold their noses and vote for Mitt.

    Once the GOP opens up their bag of racist tricks on Obama, all of those Democrats on the fence will come back home.

    Mitt will make John Kerry look like a great candidate.

    Besides, the GOP is going to have to rally around a guy who would need to hold a hot chocolate summit instead of a beer summit.

  38. 38
    JCT says:

    @Mark S.: Whoa, no joke — I hope they had enough towels for cleanup.

    These guys are losing their shit because these GOP attacks on NitwitMitt are exposing just how damaged a candidate he is — so sorry for them.

  39. 39
    Vince CA says:

    Thanks John for the laugh. I love Breaking Away, and that scene in particular. What a good way to start off the morning. For the sports disinclined (i.e. me), other than being a fundie who’s confused about the allegorical meaning of “God-given talent”, what’s the beef with Tebow? Because BJ is big on tags, how about one like “doesn’t apply if you don’t follow football”? Maybe that tag could be “Tebow”.

  40. 40
    Yutsano says:

    @Mark S.: Oh wow. They can barely even swallow that pill that is Willard. If that’s supposed to be some sort of endorsement it’s amazingly half-hearted.

  41. 41
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @catclub:

    Both Iowa and NH are retail politics places. You can’t just run ads on the boob tube and expect that to do it for you, you have to go out and…ugh…meet people. Santorum put a lot of effort into Iowa, Huntsman into NH. Contrariwise, Santorum is ignoring NH and Huntsman ignored Iowa, their showings reflect that effort.

  42. 42
    catclub says:

    @Napoleon: so Art Modell is happy to know about Lebron James.

  43. 43
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Vince CA:

    Tebow’s fan base isn’t into allegory.

    They believe this shit literally.

  44. 44
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @GregB:

    Besides, the GOP is going to have to rally around a guy who would need to hold a hot chocolate summit instead of a beer summit.

    He can’t even do that. Hot Chocolate has caffeine. It’d have to be a Water with Lemon summit.

  45. 45
    GregB says:

    Oh yeah. Remember the swift boating of Kerry was to destroy his perceived strong suit, being a veteran.

    Mitt’s strong suit is that he’s a businessman. The GOP challengers are in the process of making that Mitt’s weakness.

    That ball will be on the tee for Obama to whack the shit out of mercilessly.

    The Republicans will need a savior and Fred Thompson is too busy doing Metamucil commercials.

  46. 46
    Schlemizel says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign:
    Postum!

    For those of you not familiar with the Mormon approved coffee substitute – consider yourself lucky. When my dad was in the clutches of a chiropractor he had the old man giving himself coffee enemas (along with some weird purple shit that stained everything it touched) but not drinking coffee, only Postum.

    It tastes like a combination of the worst decaf you have ever tasted, mud and some sort of agricultural effluent.

  47. 47
    patrick the pedantic literalist says:

    @redshirt:
    I generally don’t like being old, but all things considered, I am glad that I won’t be here for the first Tebow inauguration.

  48. 48
    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign: He can’t even do that. Hot Chocolate has caffeine.

    You’d think so, but here in Utah chocolate is a favorite Mormon vice LA LA LA THERE IS NO CAFFEINE IN IT!

  49. 49
    amk says:

    I predict willard wins by single digit margin. Fuck the polls that say otherwise.

  50. 50
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @Xecky Gilchrist: HA! I did not know that! Here in CO, we learn a great deal of their wacky ways, but the rabbit hole goes deeper, it seems.

  51. 51
    Yutsano says:

    @Xecky Gilchrist: The funny part being the prohibition is against hot beverages of all kinds. This somehow morphed into an anti-caffeine stance sometime in the early 20th Century.

  52. 52
    pragmatism says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: and everything reinforces the belief. if i get one more tebow email saying, “OMG DID YOU KNOW THAT THE RECEIVER WHO CAUGHT THE TD WAS BORN ON CHRISTMAS DAY? TEBOW THREW FOR 316 YARDS! JOHN 3:16! THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES!” i’m going to barf on my keyboard. and i’m a life long broncos fan.

  53. 53
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @Schlemizel: I wonder why they don’t have a Postum Beer they can drink?

  54. 54
    Schlemizel says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign:
    I assume it would be one of those really shitty NA beers.

  55. 55
    jl says:

    @pragmatism:

    But 316 is not 3.16, which is not 3:16. Now, in some future playoff, I think a good chance that Tebow will throw 3.16, and I hope his base, and vulgar goofballs on morning talk TV, will crow about signs then.

    I will pay attention when Tebow manages to throw 3:16 in a game.

    Edit: I am not part of the Tebow hate parade, but as a child, and a slave of childish things, I was a fan of duh Raiduhs, so can never get too much of seeing Denver get beat. Seeing them and KC get beat are just ahead of my love of seeing the Steelers get beat.

  56. 56
    amk says:

    UnionLeader supports my prediction – sucky turn-out from repubs

    voters are not crowding city polling places, especially if a comparison is made to 2008 when more than 50,000 people – or 75 percent of registered voters – cast ballots in the Presidential election, according to Normand.

  57. 57
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @pragmatism: Amen dude. Love the Broncos, hate the hype – it’s not doing our team any favors.

  58. 58
    pragmatism says:

    @jl: LOL. i’m not sure if you can hear it, but i’m giving you the slow clap, a la Rudy. Well done.

  59. 59
    Mark S. says:

    @Yutsano:

    Really? I thought that was pretty enthusiastic. They sound like PR flacks for Bain (Mitt Romney saved Burger King!), and then they basically accuse all of Romney’s detractors of just being jealous. Knowing how lazy these guys are, they probably let one of Romney’s aides write it.

  60. 60
    EvolutionaryDesign says:

    @Schlemizel: Schlitz Mormon?

  61. 61
    pragmatism says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign: i have made my peace with tebow. its the tebow usage by others that bothers me.

  62. 62
    Laertes says:

    @joes527:

    In 2016, Huntsman will be the guy who decisively lost to the guy who lost to Obama.

    The way Ronald Reagan in 1980 was the guy who decisively lost to the guy who lost to Carter?

  63. 63
    kindness says:

    What horse tranquilizer did they need to use on you John? I’m sorry, sorry for you, sorry for the Steelers. You will enjoy Tebow’s ultimate loss though. Chances are it will be this week. if not this week then certainly next.

    Time is your friend.

  64. 64
    jl says:

    Krugman has correct analysis of Romney’s ‘I fire live people’ comment:

    January 10, 2012, 10:26 am
    Who Fires Whom?
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c.....ires-whom/

    note: NYT link for those who cannot remember to look at the the URL in whatever little window thingee shows up on their browser.

    Also, supposedly insightful analysts on TV (and even a few BJ commenters) are busy excusing Mitt’s firing comment> “Of course he does not like to fire people” is the line.

    But that is not what Romney said. Romney said “I like to BE ABLE to fire people”. (emphasis added).

    Many of the lesser people have worked for bosses who ‘like to be able to fire people’, even if the act of firing itself is unpleasant, and delegating it is also unpleasant. So, I think Mitt is fair game on all aspects of the comment.

    Butt the real policy problem is that by turning his back on his own MA health care reform, Romney is advocating a health care system in which it will continue to be difficult to impossible for a lesser person to ‘fire’ their health insurance company. Only very rich people will be able to do that.

  65. 65
    Belafon (formerly anonevent) says:

    @joes527: Ronald Reagan 1976 didn’t get too injured over losing to Ford.

  66. 66
    cathyx says:

    John,
    Why does Tebow stick in your craw so much?

    My armchair psychoanalysis is that he’s young, sweet, and a good person and you’re jealous, or you think he’s a fake.

  67. 67
    Suffern ACE says:

    @pragmatism: I hope Tebow throws for 420 yards this week in a win. Now that his results are known to transmit devine messages, perhaps “Let’s go get stoned” is what God wants him to say.

  68. 68
    Laertes says:

    Or the way Romney in ’12 was the guy who decisively lost to the guy who lost to Obama?

  69. 69
    Raven says:

    @cathyx: He a fucking Gator, to hell with him. Lispy little shit.

  70. 70
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    I’d like to think that the Stealers’ weak secondary will be exposed by Barack Tebow in the fourth quarter of 2012….

  71. 71
    gaz says:

    @jl: http://cdn4.diggstatic.com/sto.....ople/o.png

    my wife found this last night, and it hasn’t lost any of it’s sheen, yet – I want the poster.

    Krugman kicks ass.

  72. 72

    In case anyone is interested you can get NH votes totals here. They will start putting up totals after the polls close tonight which 7 PM for most wards and 8 PM for a few towns.

    Here in Lebanon and Hanover, NH turnout is pretty low (so far) according to the poll workers I’ve spoken with. Weather isn’t a factor anywhere as we are having a very mild winter here in northern New England.

  73. 73
    amk says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur: Thanks for the linky.

  74. 74
    pragmatism says:

    @Suffern ACE: that would be outstanding. he could put 34:29 on his eyeblack for: And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. — Ezekiel 34:29

  75. 75
    redshirt says:

    @pragmatism: And if FSM be damned, Denver beats NE this Saturday, Tebow will ascend to Heaven and take all the Chosen with him in a Very Special Bronco’s Rapture.

    It will be insane. I’m a die hard Pats fan, but I’d almost like to see this happen, to witness the whirlwind of craziness.

    But not really. Go Pats (Satan)!

  76. 76
    joes527 says:

    @jl: THIS. Exactly.

    Getting lost in all the poutrage over DINOs who aren’t displaying proper poutrage over the whole “heh heh heh. he said fired” thing is that Mitt was TRYING to say something profoundly stupid.

    But I guess scoring points over awkward statements is a sign of a true progressive, and looking at the ideas that he was trying to convey is a sign of a fucking tote-bagger.

  77. 77
    Martin says:

    @cathyx:

    Why does Tebow stick in your craw so much?

    Broncos QB. Same reason why my mom as a Pats fan hates Favre and all things Manning.

    Never attribute to reason that which is adequately explained by sports rivalry.

  78. 78
    hitchhiker says:

    @flukebucket:

    Good Morning America on ABC was fawning over the Tebow touchdown pass today. The guy actually said that if the pass had been 1/10th of a second earlier or later it would have probably been incomplete. He said it as if it were some kind of great nugget of information that most had overlooked.

    That is some damn fine hilarity. Thx.

  79. 79
    cathyx says:

    @Martin: No, I don’t think so. There are plenty of rivals that don’t rile him up this much.

  80. 80
    Paul in KY says:

    I was thinking of the famous Jim Mora Sr. rant. Just substitute ‘Tebow’ for ‘playoffs’ ;-)

  81. 81
    Paul in KY says:

    @Napoleon: He’s right.

    Rot in Hell, Art Modell.

  82. 82
    joes527 says:

    @Laertes:

    The way Ronald Reagan in 1980 was the guy who decisively lost to the guy who lost to Carter?

    Huntsman == Reagan? Srsly?

    Reagan came back from defeat for a whole variety of reasons — none of which were that he was more moderate than the rest of the field* in 76 and the GOP realized that it needed to select a more moderate candidate to win in 80.

    I’d believe in the GOP giving anyone BUT Huntsman a second look in 2016, but I don’t see a groundswell of sanity taking over the party by then.

    * I have no idea whether Hunstman actually is more moderate than the rest of the field, but it would be a long haul for him to break out of that role.

  83. 83
    pragmatism says:

    @redshirt: starring beli-cheat as hooded beelzebub

  84. 84
    Paul in KY says:

    @cathyx: I think he’s a sanctimonious weirdo.

    I dislike his parents more.

  85. 85
    redshirt says:

    @pragmatism: Clearly, in this passion play, the Hooded One is the Dark Lord hisself. This is not just a playoff game, but verily a battle between Good and Evil, amirite?

  86. 86
    Mike in NC says:

    @Mark S.:

    Mitt Romney saved Burger King!

    Willard was the one who created all those horrible TV ads — now pulled off the air — featuring a guy with a plastic head? Seems so fitting.

  87. 87
    James Hulsey says:

    @catclub: Trust me. LeBron hate is fresh and new, but it is nothing compared to the loathing Cleveland has for Art Modell.

    My question: Has this play been officially named yet? Like “The Immaculate Reception” or “The Fumble” where we know instantly what play is being talked about.

  88. 88
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: I think Tebow is Boromir here.

  89. 89
    pragmatism says:

    @redshirt: for our very souls. however, i believe that the “patriots” (must question that) striking down the donkeys would only serve to make the tebownomenon stronger. just like obi-wan.

  90. 90
    Paul in KY says:

    @James Hulsey: How about ‘The Stiff Arm of God’?

  91. 91
    James Hulsey says:

    @Paul in KY: Except Satan’s afraid to let Modell in, because Modell would then move Hell to the North Pole to get a better stadium deal.

  92. 92
    Laertes says:

    @joes527:

    Failed nominees (since 1972, anyway) are finished. Candidates who fail to get the nomination very often get the nomination one or two cycles later. (Reagan in 1980, McCain in 2008, most likely Romney in 2012.) Huntsman’s weak performance this time around won’t hurt him in 2016, and the name recognition will help.

    I’m inclined to agree with you that Huntsman’s real problem is that the GOP base will be looking for a fire-breathing Christianist culture-warrior in the Bachman/Perry mold, since they’ll most likely process Mitt’s defeat by constructing a narrative in which he wasn’t conservative enough.

    However: Four years is a long time and Huntsman’s a smart guy. I expect that’s plenty of time for him to re-brand himself as an authentic arch-conservative, especially since that’s what he is.

  93. 93

    Hey, I know this has been answered, but I’m too lazy: are the delegate assignments in these GOP primaries winner-take-all or proportional?

    And if the latter, why isn’t anybody talking about that instead of going all Charlie Sheen WINNING?

    And also too why doesn’t the NY Times election center talk about how many delegates have been won so far?

    Also there are too many states nowadays, please eliminate three

  94. 94
    Paul in KY says:

    @James Hulsey: That perfectly encapsulates the evil of Art Modell.

  95. 95
    Splitting Image says:

    I’ll go with:

    Romney 35%
    Huntsman 22%
    Paul 18%
    Gingrich 12%
    Santorum 8%
    Perry 2%

    Romney will probably get just above the level he will need to avoid having his win questioned, but not enough of a blowout to put everyone else away.

    He may have made enough gaffes to cost him South Carolina though.

    I’ll pick Huntsman to edge past Paul for second and Gingrich to finish ahead of Santorum. Let’s see how it turns out. So far I’ve been hearing about a low turnout. That’s not good news for the G.O.P.

  96. 96
    Paul in KY says:

    @Laertes: You must have a 2016 future bet out on Huntsman :-)

    He is toast, because his ‘consevatism’ is not like the typical 21st century Repub voter ‘conservatism’. Huntsman would have been great back in the 50s or 60s (even 70s as a Repub). Now though, ‘conservatism’ (for Repubs) is about a quasi-facist expansionist foreign policy & a feudo/Libertarian starve-the-beast ideology to bankrupt all those who aren’t already millionaires and return us to the glorious 1890s.

    Huntsman is way saner than that…and that’s his problem.

  97. 97
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: Hmm. Please explain your reasoning. I would think Tebow would be pure Frodo all the way.

    Elway as Gandalf; John Fox as Aragorn? I’m losing it here…

  98. 98
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @Splitting Image:

    Romney 37%
    Paul 22%
    Huntsman 16%
    Gingrich 12%
    Santorum 9%
    Perry 4%

  99. 99
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    Josh McDaniels as Gollum, John Cole as the Voice of DougJ….

  100. 100
    pragmatism says:

    http://deadspin.com/5874808/al.....he-messiah

    1 Kings is right out. 1 Kings: Now two prostitutes came to the king and stood before him.

  101. 101
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @pragmatism:

    Ahem. Did that already.

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2.....nt-2977949

  102. 102
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: Tebow is like Boromir, because he is infected with hubris. That is Boromir’s problem. He thinks he knows best (better than Gandalf, an immortal maiar, and Elrond, a 7,000 year old elf) how to defeat Sauron & it involves Boromir using the ring to marshall the forces of good & ending up with Boromir as the new restored king (not Aragorn). The ring, of course, plays on Boromir’s mental faults/fragility.

    Tebow is huberistic, because he thinks God takes some kind of personal interest in him being successful on the football field (IMO).

  103. 103
    Paul in KY says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: Josh McDaniels as Wormtongue.

  104. 104
    pragmatism says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: sorry MARP. missed that one. may i suggest you sue deadspin for stealing it?

  105. 105
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @pragmatism:

    The Book of Ron Paul 3:16:

    “For the LORD (TM) said: That fucker is clearly infringing my corporate personhood and must pay the price. I shall strip him of his last Amero without mercy! And the individuals who were NOT a people rejoiced greatly in a non-collectivist way.”

  106. 106
    Laertes says:

    @Paul in KY:

    Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

    Three years ago I’d never have predicted that the Republican response to McCain’s defeat would be to run a former blue-state governor whose greatest achievement was the creation of a universal health insurance system. And yet, here we are.

    So, sure, part of my brain says that a Bachman will be the nominee next time around. But that same part of my brain said that a Palin would be the nominee this time.

    Turns out I don’t entirely understand Republicans.

  107. 107
    pragmatism says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: if only tebow confronted the fed like Jesus did the moneychangers in the temple……….

  108. 108
    Vince CA says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Really? That’s scary. Dude has talent and he really thinks it’s because god has endowed him super-human strength and agility because of his piety? Shit, if that were true, monasteries would be full of hulks and supermen. It sounds to me like somebody has a Samson complex. Is there a Delilah in this story as well?

  109. 109
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: OK. I can see that now. I am very fresh on my Tolkien mythos, so I was eager to see how you responded. YOU SHALL PASS!

  110. 110
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @pragmatism:

    No, no. Jesus confronted the fed and drove the filthy paper-money printers out of the temple. At least, that’s what Conservapedia says happened – so it must be true!

  111. 111
    Paul in KY says:

    @Laertes: Good point about the coming (it seems) nomination of Romney. Will just have to live till 2016 to find out.

  112. 112
    Tom Q says:

    @Laertes: Except, of course, Reagan didn’t lose “decisively” to Ford — despite facing an incumbent president, he took the fight all the way to the convention, and was within one state delegation (MS, with its 30 votes) of being in a dead heat with Ford. It was the closest convention vote of my lifetime (and, the way things are going, probably the last such).

    Something interesting about that Reagan challenge, vis a vis the way Romney’s being hustled at Pubs this year: Ford actually won the first half dozen or so contests — IL, I recall, by a landslide — and Reagan was being urged to drop out. Ronnie then won an upset in NC (with Jesse Helms’ help) in April, romped in TX in May, and won the majority of delegates from there to the convention. It’s amazing to me, in light of something like that, that people want to declare Romney unstoppable based on an 8-vote margin in IA and a win in the state next store to the one he governed (as Lawrence O’Donnell pointed out last night, Dukakis won the ’88 NH primary in a landslide, and got zero credit for it, based on geography).

  113. 113
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: I 1st read LOTR when I was 12. Didn’t really understand it until I re-read it in college (when I first read it, I thought ‘Numenor’ was the name of some kind of prison ship Sauron escaped from, stuff like that). Used to hang out at AFT & RABT until work banned us from going to those types of forums/chat rooms.

    I can give you my opinion on anything Tolkienesque ;-)

  114. 114
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: I just got into Tolkien in the last 10 years and love it. Re-re-re read The Silmarillion the last few weekends and wow, do I love it! Just incredible stuff.

    Numenor for the Numenorians! Say no to Sauron!

  115. 115
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    I am starting to get visions of Romney as the Bain Balrog, with Newt Gingrich breaking his staff on the Bridge of New Hampshire and screaming “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!”

    To which the Balrog replies in puzzled tones:

    ‘But I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake!”

  116. 116
    redshirt says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: A Balrog is too good for Romney. More like “Uruk-Hai Commander 1” who’s briefly frightening, but then suffers defeat at the hands of the first Hero who comes along.

  117. 117
    dogwood says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Both Iowa and NH are retail politics places. You can’t just run ads on the boob tube and expect that to do it for you, you have to go out and…ugh…meet people. Santorum put a lot of effort into Iowa, Huntsman into NH. Contrariwise, Santorum is ignoring NH and Huntsman ignored Iowa, their showings reflect that effort.

    That’s a telling statement right there, I’ve said it for months, none of these people are ready for prime time. Obama, Clinton and Edwards were able to mount credible campaigns in Iowa, New Hampshire, S.C. and Nevada all at the same time. None of them ignored any of the early states. And I’m pretty confident the President will be able to campaign and keep his day job as well.

  118. 118
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    After further review, I’ve realized what the GOP primary reminds me of most in Tolkien:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY4V3UUY95A

  119. 119
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: Glad you are enjoying it. It is a great work on many different levels.

    I’m waiting impatiently for the 1st Hobbit movie.

  120. 120
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: Romney is like ‘The Mouth of Sauron’, if Sauron is our predatory overclass.

  121. 121
    JWL says:

    I stepped aboard the Raider’s bandwagon during the second half of the immaculate reception game. I was-and-remain a life long Niner fan, and still disdained the AFC. Without caring which team won, I turned on the Raider-Steelers game to kill some time before the Niner-Dallas playoff game later that afternoon. Stabler replaced Lamonica for good in that half. Their talent and zeal could not be denied. They were, above all, a fun team to watch play.

    Even Pittsburg fans acknowledge the immaculate reception was a fluke. But what happened between their team and T-Bo last Sunday was different. The Steelers were flat-out bushwhacked two days ago, and that’s all there is to it. The U.S. Navy didn’t do better a better job of it at Midway, than the Bronco’s did last Sunday.

    That’s one nightmare of a football memory. One that will sting the nerve endings of Steeler fans forever. Happy to say it doesn’t bother me in the least.

  122. 122
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: Yesssss… the Precious. I’ve been salivating at the talk of the cameras they’re using to film. It’s going to be an amazing movie experience.

    But, having become a purist of late, I am filled with some doubt about how they’re going to make it 2 movies.

    My guess is they take some material from The Silmarillion concerning the Necromancer and the first White Council. Just a guess though. This would make me happy though, as I’d be thrilled to see anything from the Silmarillion in movie form (the opening of LOTR is it to date).

  123. 123
    John Weiss says:

    Hey, John. Timmy is the real deal. The Steelers, IMHO had it coming. And they’re pretty well beaten up.

    – a cowboys fan

  124. 124
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    Mitt Romney for the voice of Smaug? Or would Ron Paul be a better fit for a gold-hoarding creature from the distant past?

  125. 125
    redshirt says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: RONPAUl as “Smaug”. Perfect. I can see the photo shop already. Maybe tonight I will make it happen.

  126. 126
    Svensker says:

    @redshirt:

    Clearly, in this passion play, the Hooded One is the Dark Lord hisself.

    He’s Palpatine.

  127. 127
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: I hope they flesh it out with some Silmarillion stuff too.

    The Tale of Turin Turambar would be wonderful to see (IMO). Think Smaug is a badass, he’s a piker compared to Glaurung. Hurin chained up on Thangorodrim forced to watch as Morgoth destroys his whole family, all because Hurin won’t divulge where Gondolin is. The capture of Hurin, him hacking off orc arms until he’s cptured because so many of them are clutching him that he can’t swing his ax any more. Turin’s youth in Menegroth & his accidental killing of Beleg, etc. etc.

  128. 128
    mdblanche says:

    @Cris (without an H):

    Hey, I know this has been answered, but I’m too lazy: are the delegate assignments in these GOP primaries winner-take-all or proportional?

    Proportional.

    And if the latter, why isn’t anybody talking about that instead of going all Charlie Sheen WINNING?

    Could you rephrase this in the form of a horse race?

    And also too why doesn’t the NY Times election center talk about how many delegates have been won so far?

    Nobody else cares, so why should they?

    Also there are too many states nowadays, please eliminate three

    Does Missouri count as one or not? Also, since you don’t have a postscript, I’m just going to assume you’re a crackpot.

  129. 129
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: I was just talking about all this in person! And the whole founding of Gondolin was set up by Ulmo to get Earindil to Valinor and finally put Melkor the Morgoth behind bars.

    After this latest reading, I noticed way more connections between all the different tales than I originally noted.

    Turin’s story would be the easiest to make into a movie. But Beren and Luthien could give it a run, since it’s got hot chicks singing. There’s no real non icky love interest in Turin’s story.

  130. 130
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Tom Q: Yeah. The problem though as we’ve discussed is that too many of the not-romney’s take votes but don’t have any campaign organization to actually get on the ballots in enough places to win. Or to be ahead. It’s like they’re all in this “I’ll win in XX and then move to YY and start campaigning there” tactic. But that kind of campaigning can’t happen any longer.

  131. 131
    redshirt says:

    @Svensker: Palpatine is referred to as a Dark Lord, but then so is Sauron. They both fit. Though Palpatine is a better fit.

    Time to move into the Star Wars analogies again? Tebow as Luke!

  132. 132
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    There’s no real non icky love interest in Turin’s story.

    *Cough* Appalachia *Cough* I reckon a little bit of incest might make it seem more family values oriented in that there neck of the woods.

  133. 133
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: Turin’s tale is a complete downer, I must admit. You could get some ‘doomed love’ out of the Turin/Findulas romance.

    Beren/Luthian would be good. Plus you’d get to see Sauron in all his smarmy evilness (faking the outlaw into thinking he will see his wife if he will give up Beren and Barahir’s hiding place and then cruelly sending him to join his wife in death). Finrod sacrificing himself to save Beren in Sauron’s dungeon. The whole sneaking into Angband & getting the Silmaril. Thingol being turned nuts by the Silmaril & what happens then.

  134. 134
    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @redshirt: Tebow as Jar-Jar.

  135. 135
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @redshirt:

    Tebow looks more like JarJar Binks, to my jaundiced way of seeing it. Of course, that does leave the recently re-embraced Offensive Assistant without a role.

  136. 136
    Judas Escargot says:

    Having no chickens or goats available for slaughter and entrail-reading, I can only guess:

    Mitt Romney: 41%
    Ron Paul: 19%
    Huntsman: 17%
    Gingrich: 13%
    Santorum: 8%

    I have a feeling that Mitt’s already got the ‘anointmentum’ so he’ll squeeze in a number over 40. Paul’s voters are younger and more likely to be cellphone-only, so he’ll pull in better than he polled.

  137. 137
    redshirt says:

    @MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson: LOL. “Meesa must give bigbig thanks to meesa Lord and Savior, Boss Christ!”

    Oh gads, I feel dirty.

  138. 138
    MildlyAmusedRainbowPerson says:

    @Judas Escargot:

    You forgot someone. What was the third sixth thing? Ooops!

  139. 139
    redshirt says:

    @Paul in KY: Dude! You know your stuff. Love it. And yeah, if Hollywood tried and make a Turin movie, they’d change it so much as to ruin it. Beren and Luthien would fit far better.

    As for me – and there’s no way this would happen, ever – I want to see the Akallabeth, in its entirety. Perhaps just for the image of the sky being blotted out by the Numenorean sails as they prepare to invade Heaven/wage war on the Gods. So awesome!

  140. 140
    Svensker says:

    @redshirt:

    Time to move into the Star Wars analogies again? Tebow as Luke!

    No. No. And, no.

    ETA: OK, with the WASP version of Jar Jar. Nah, he doesn’t fit Jar Jar. Maybe with the baby version of Darth — most annoying kid actor of the last 30 years.

  141. 141
    Jerzy Russian says:

    @EvolutionaryDesign:

    @pragmatism: Amen dude. Love the Broncos, hate the hype – it’s not doing our team any favors.

    Roger that. I gave up long ago worrying about whether the professional athletes or actors of whom I have a marginal interest in are assholes in real life.

  142. 142
    gogol's wife says:

    I’m way too late for this, but the word “substitute” in your post should be “replace.” (Pet peeve.) I wish I understood this whole Tebow thing. Or maybe I don’t.

  143. 143
    Scott P. says:

    Hey, I know this has been answered, but I’m too lazy: are the delegate assignments in these GOP primaries winner-take-all or proportional? And if the latter, why isn’t anybody talking about that instead of going all Charlie Sheen WINNING? And also too why doesn’t the NY Times election center talk about how many delegates have been won so far?

    Through early February they are proportional, I believe. But delegates are pointless at this stage. What matters is money. Winning early states is important not because it gives you delegates (New Hampshire has a pittance), but because it convinces donors to back you.

  144. 144
    WaterGirl says:

    @Judas Escargot: My gut feeling is that Romney will come in much closer to 30 than to 40. You may tell me how wrong I am later this evening.

  145. 145
    Paul in KY says:

    @redshirt: My dream as well. Maybe they can do a ‘Game of Thrones’ style miniseries on Beren/Luthien.

Comments are closed.