Pat Robertson Wonders if Mac and Cheese “Is a Black Thing.”

This just made my day.

700 Club host Kristi Watts interviewed Condoleeza Rice and they both agreed that they love mac and cheese. (Who doesn’t!?) Pat Robertson, apparently from a planet where one does not eat mac and cheese, like, all the time asks Watts “What is this ‘mac and cheese’? Is that a black thing?”

It’s brilliant:

All your mac and cheese are belong to us.

Suck it, white people!

[via Right Wing Watch]

[cross-posted at Angry Black Lady Chronicles]

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222 replies
  1. 1
    Jerry says:

    He’s gotta be joking. The guy is from the South, where mac n cheese is considered a vegetable. (and to avoid any sort of flame war: I live in North Carolina where you’ll see mac n cheese listed in the “Vegetables” section of a menu. Usually at barbecue joints.)

  2. 2
    taylormattd says:

    Hahaha. That’s fairly awesome. Plus, now I’m hungry.

  3. 3
    Karounie says:

    Mac is black cause of that whole Mac Daddy, Bernie Mac thing.

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  5. 5
    BGinCHI says:

    Jesus, I had no idea my wife was black.

  6. 6
    different-church-lady says:

    Well… is it?

  7. 7
    Davis X. Machina says:

    MacIncheese is Irish. Or Scots. But no way is it black.

  8. 8
    General Stuck says:

    Everybody knows that “mac and cheese” is a college thing, as I lived on that shit in college, all 8 years – that, and lots of cold beer. duh

  9. 9

    I’ve always hated macaroni and cheese. I always suspected I might be a fundamentalist white supremecist. Now I know…

  10. 10
    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    Of course it’s a black thing- it’s American, ain’t it?

    (Black folks pretty much invented American pop culture, didn’t we?)

  11. 11
    Quicksand says:

    I’m pretty sure my (white!) 3-year-old son considers mac-n-cheese to be the best possible dish available on Thanksgiving. And Christmas. And Easter, the 4th of July, Veterans Day, Arbor Day, and each and every one of the 365.25 days per year.

  12. 12
    Jenny says:

    actually the weirdest quote was Rice saying she can only eat macaroni once a year.

  13. 13
    DougJ says:

    @Jerry:

    Just like pizza, right?

  14. 14
    different-church-lady says:

    @Horrendo Slapp (formerly Jimperson Zibb, Duncan Dönitz, Otto Graf von Pfmidtnöchtler-Pízsmőgy, Mumphrey, et al.): At this point wouldn’t it be easier to refer to yourself as “Formerly Formerly”?

  15. 15
    Arclite says:

    W. T. F. Idoit. Mac and cheese has been a staple in my mother’s home for decades, and I’m as white as a beluga whale.

  16. 16
    Donut says:

    I’m not a racist. Some of my best friends eat mac and cheese.

  17. 17
    Linnaeus says:

    I just ate mac & cheese as part of my lunch today. Let me have a look in the mirror.

    Nope. Still white.

  18. 18
    Donald G says:

    Well, to be fair… in my day back as a child back in Portsmouth, Virginia (where my aunt, uncle and cousins once lived across the street from Pat’s old Spratley Street studios for the old WYAH Channel 27), we never referred to it as “Mac and Cheese”. White people of my lower middle-class socioeconomic standing called it “Macaroni and Cheese”, like it was written on the package.

    Ol’ Pat’s a good deal older than I am. He just may not be up on the current lingo the zoot-suiters and hepcats use these days.

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    Spaghetti Lee says:

    Mac’n’cheese is a delicious thing is what it is. It unites peoples of every nation.

    I’ll admit I’ve never had it at thanksgiving, but I have had cornbread and yams and whatever else this clown would consider questionable.

  21. 21
    Arclite says:

    From Wikipedia:

    Macaroni is mentioned in various medieval Italian sources, though it is not always clear whether it is a pasta shape or a prepared dish.[3] However, pasta and cheese casseroles have been recorded in cookbooks as early as the Liber de Coquina, one of the oldest medieval cookbooks. A cheese and pasta casserole known as Makerouns was recorded in an English cookbook in the 14th century.[4] It was made with fresh hand-cut pasta which was sandwiched between a mixture of melted butter and cheese. It was considered an upperclass dish even in Italy until around the 18th century.[3]

  22. 22
    General Stuck says:

    @Spaghetti Lee:

    You pasta hound, you:)

  23. 23
    Svensker says:

    Suck it, white people!

    Mac ‘n’ cheese through a straw? I can’t see it.

    Also, too, Pat Robertson is really weird. What planet DOES he come from?

  24. 24
    Darkrose says:

    Mac and cheese isn’t a black thing, but I have to say that I don’t know any white people who grew up with mac and cheese instead of or in addition to mashed potatoes at Thanksgiving.

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    jeff says:

    What Robertson means, obviously, is that there were two black people talking. “Mac and Cheese” is just a metonym for his surprise at the whole weirdness of two black people talking near him that he actually likes.

  27. 27
    JPL says:

    Christmas Eve I have a buffet for friends and neighbors and serve mac and cheese and it’s always a big hit. Robertson needs to go have his holiday with the other bigot, Buchanan.

  28. 28
    John M. Burt says:

    In the comments at YouTube, someone makes the useful observation that “old-man racism” is different from “regular” racism.

  29. 29
    BigSouthern says:

    Further proof that while my fellow white Southerners may tend to rally together when it comes time to disenfranchise voters and pile on minorities of all stripes, folks from the mountains and folks from the flatlands might as well live on entirely different planets.

    Or maybe this is just indicative of how far removed from ordinary life members of our entitled class are (Pat’s the son of a state senator). I mean, to have never even HEARD of mac n’ cheese means you never, ever in your life went to a grocery store to buy your own provisions.

    What a shithead.

  30. 30
    Citizen Alan says:

    It’s not just the casual racism that blows my mind but the astounding level of insular classism. To literally not know what “mac & cheese” is means that Pat Robertson has never shopped for his own food, has never eaten at a restaurant so low-class as to have mac & cheese on the menu, has never eaten in a public school or even the cafeteria at Regent College, the bible school he personally founded! It’s worse than when Bush Sr. went into a grocery store and was completely baffled by the barcode scanner, thereby proving that he had not done his own shopping in more than twenty years. It reminds me of Eddie Izzard making fun of the British Royals: “And what do you do? Oh, you’re a plumber! What on Earth is that?”

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    StarStorm says:

    Dude, what the fuck do they eat on Planet Looney?

  32. 32
    Platypus says:

    Robertson should really get out more.

    Kraft Dinner (aka Mac and Cheese) is one of the iconic national dishes of Canada. To quote Douglas Coupland: “cheese plays a weirdly large dietary role in the lives of Canadians, who have a more intimate and intense relationship with Kraft food products than the citizens of any other country. This is not a shameless product plug — for some reason, Canadians and Kraft products have bonded the way Australians have bonded with Marmite [sic], or the English with Heinz baked beans. In particular, Kraft macaroni and cheese, known simply as Kraft Dinner, is the biggie, probably because it so precisely laser-targets the favoured Canadian food groups: fat, sugar, starch and salt”

  33. 33
    taylormattd says:

    This thread is full of win.

    Too bad Anne Laurie hates everyone in this thread. :P

  34. 34
    4tehlulz says:

    @John M. Burt: If anyone would know racism, it’s YouTube commenters.

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    Citizen_X says:

    I call that macaroni.

  36. 36
    Nate in NOVA says:

    When you watch the clip it’s pretty clear that Robertson is not familiar with mac and cheese on Thanksgiving, not mac and cheese in general. Unfortunately, this small distinction drops his remarks from the #1 Dumbest Thing Pat Robertson Ever Said to the 5,007th Dumbest Thing Pat Robertson Ever Said. It’s an incredibly competitive ranking index.

  37. 37
    Satanicpanic says:

    Can’t wait for pictures of Kraft boxes with Obama’s head photoshopped onto them.

  38. 38
    Steeplejack says:

    Can’t believe I’m even semi-defending Pat Robertson, but I take the subtext as “Mac and cheese [for the big holiday meals]–is that a black thing?” Kristi Watts sort of references that in her response.

    As Jerry said, mac and cheese is considered a vegetable in most non-trendy Southern restaurants. Oh, Mary Mac’s, how I long for your “meat and three sides” combo! (Mac and cheese is listed discreetly on the menu along with virtually everything else in “Side Dishes.”)

  39. 39
    Bludger says:

    Mac-N-Cheese, it’s a food product, essentially.

  40. 40
    Maxwel says:

    Mac and cheese is comfort food. Does the twit ever seem comfortable?

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    PanAmerican says:

    Canadians eat a disturbingly large amount of Kraft Dinner.

  42. 42
    JPL says:

    @Steeplejack: There’s a place in the town where I live that serves mighty fine mac-n-cheese and great barbecue. Alton Browne loves the joint so it can’t be all bad.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    My wife and I were kicking around what gourmet Mac ‘n Cheese would be like in a restaurant. Some concepts:

    Asparagus and gruyere Mac ‘n Cheese
    Eggplant Mac ‘n Cheese
    Chicken and sun dried tomato Mac ‘n Cheese
    Artichoke and caper Mac ‘n Cheese
    Pepperoni and mushroom Mac ‘n Cheese

    I wish I had the whole list. It degenerated into a long FB thread.

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    JPL says:

    @RossInDetroit: Four cheese including gruyere.. yum

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    Ruckus says:

    Either Pat is senile(a very major possibility!) or is just a fucking first class twit. Actually I call both.
    Mac and cheese? Wasn’t that a NYC detective team?

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Jerry:

    He’s gotta be joking. The guy is from the South, where mac n cheese is considered a vegetable. (and to avoid any sort of flame war: I live in North Carolina where you’ll see mac n cheese listed in the “Vegetables” section of a menu. Usually at barbecue joints.)

    Exactly. Go into any Cracker Barrel. Mac and cheese is a vegetable side on the menu.

    I live in Greensboro NC andI have to say…I hate vinegar based barbecue. Sonny’s in South Georgia rocks.

  47. 47
    Litlebritdifrnt2 says:

    @Jerry:

    Yer durn right. On the menu of every local “southern cooking” restaurant round here mac and cheese is listed in the vegetable section.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @JPL:

    Four cheese including gruyere.. yum

    There’s a restaurant near us that does it with Stilton and it’s stupendous.

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    Napoleon says:

    Note Mac and Cheese is a traditional southern Thanksgiving day dish so in that sense it is a “black thing” (with the vast majority of blacks living in or coming from the south):

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5.....390919287/

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @Darkrose:

    Mac and cheese isn’t a black thing, but I have to say that I don’t know any white people who grew up with mac and cheese instead of or in addition to mashed potatoes at Thanksgiving.

    I have had mac and cheese with cornbread for Thanksgiving In Georgia right next to the turkey. Find some old country folks who can still remember the Depression (the LAST one…) and you may still see that for dinner on a holiday.

  51. 51
    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @RossInDetroit:

    My wife and I were kicking around what gourmet Mac ‘n Cheese would be like in a restaurant. Some concepts:

    You’re pretty close: there’s a restaurant here in Oakland that specializes in mac and cheese. Several colors of people appear to eat there, this being Oakland, and whatever it is, it’s pretty damned delicious. And they have takeout mac and cheese platters for Thanksgiving, which proves – something.

    For no reason I can recall, we call it mac-and-smack in our house.

  52. 52
    Anya says:

    And of course the 700 Club host obliged him by confirming his prejudices. What would the world be without some members of minority groups helping douchebags feel comfortable with their own bigotry?

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    Phoenician in a time of Romans says:

    Of course it’s a black thing- it’s American, ain’t it?

    I believe it was bought back to Africa from China by the great Negro explorer, LeMarcus Polo.

    Robertson’s a moron.

  55. 55
    RossInDetroit says:

    Yer durn right. On the menu of every local “southern cooking” restaurant round here mac and cheese is listed in the vegetable section.

    This is because 90% of what’s on a traditional Southern menu is meat. All the non-meat gets pushed into one category.
    Vegetarians traveling sometimes have a hard time finding something to eat.

  56. 56
    gwangung says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: There’s a restaurant in Seattle that does a kimchee mac ‘n cheese.

  57. 57
    RossInDetroit says:

    there’s a restaurant here in Oakland that specializes in mac and cheese.

    That’s way cooler than our idea, but my wife was thrilled to see it. Now I want parsley flakes in my Mac & Cheese and buttered bread crumbs on top.

  58. 58
    Steeplejack says:

    Okay, Pat Robertson is apparently more of a douche than I gave him credit for. I went to the actual 700 Club episode and watched it (so you don’t have to). The “smoking gun” part starts at 33:00.

    After the snippet that has gone viral, Kristie says maybe Pat hasn’t had good mac and cheese. “We don’t do the whole little stuff in a box. We do the good old kind that our grandmamas made.” And Robertson says: “Well, my grandmama didn’t make mac and cheese.”

    Case closed.

    ETA: As a result of watching this show, I accepted Jesus as my personal savior and sent Pat Robertson a check for $1,000. So there’s that. And I am starting a scrapbook of Condoleezza Rice pictures.

  59. 59
    evap says:

    I make mac and cheese from scratch on Thanksgiving for my vegetarian daughters and niece. They would kill me if I didn’t make it (or even worse, refuse to come home next year). Of course, I live in the south.

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    Litlebritdifrnt2 says:

    @RossInDetroit:

    LOL I was a vegetarian when I moved here 20 years ago. I quickly learned that ordering a vegetable plate was pretty much a useless option seeing as the mashed taters came with gravy, the green beans were liberally slathered with ham, and the cabbage was soaked in pork fat. My Mother (who is a vegetarian) pretty much sticks to the fish or shrimp option. Your average Vegetarian in the South will find themselves eating buns and soup, a Vegan would starve within four days.

  61. 61
    jl says:

    Leave Pat Robertson alone.

    Pat Robertson lives exclusively on his nutritious fountain of youth Power Shake.
    http://www.cbn.com/communitypublic/shake.aspx

    When you people can leg press 2000 (or is it 3000?) pounds of weight when you are 100 or whatever he is, you can make comments about who should know about what to eat.

    I think Robertson has been, to put it very politely, not right in the head ever since he convinced himself that he prayed away a hurricane from his state 40 years ago or so ago.

  62. 62
    jl says:

    @RossInDetroit: Thannks! That is going in my notebook for my next visit. Kim chee mac n cheese. Excellent. Sounds good.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: @RossInDetroit: Sarita’s Mac & Cheese (S’Mac) in New York City does a good job with the gourmet mac & cheese without going to pretentious extremes. You can build a mid-range restaurant around the M&C concept. I’m waiting for the Wall Street version to open with gold flakes and and caviar foam for $400 per ounce.

  64. 64
    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    Pat Robertson is not a Southerner. I wasn’t sure he was even human, and now I’m certain. Next thing you know, he will be disowning pimento cheese (PS Bon Appetit at Epicurious has a killer recipe for Pimento Cheese Mac and Cheese. Add Country Ham for the full decadent experience).

  65. 65

    @RossInDetroit: If “dipped in thick batter and fried” counts as “meat”, sure.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt2:

    Some restaurants are particularly frustrating. The only way to get a vegetarian SALAD at Applebees is to order one from the menu ‘without the meat’. That is just wrong.

  67. 67
    Steeplejack says:

    Talking about Thanksgiving traditions, does anyone still do mincemeat pies? I come from a fairly straightforward Southern crackro-American background, and there was always a mincemeat pie on the table right next to the pumpkin pie. But that seems to be going away. I have a harder time each year finding Crosse & Blackwell mincemeat in the grocery store, and the killer came a year or so ago when I took a leftover piece of pie to work. A young (early 20s) coworker had never had mincemeat pie–this is Virginia, for chrissakes!–and when I asked her if she wanted a taste she said, “No, thanks, I’m a vegetarian.”

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    gbear says:

    I thought mac and cheese was a gay thing.

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    scav says:

    Still not too late to add it to the menu for tomorrow. One with blue cheese might really send him round the bend.

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    gbear says:

    @Steeplejack: We always had mincemeat pies for holidays in MN too. I didn’t like them at all and went for the pumpkin pie instead.

    Mmmm. Pie.

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    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Talking about Thanksgiving traditions, does anyone still do mincemeat pies?

    Mincemeat was always a Christmas thing (in the half of my family that does Christmas), but I’m the opposite of a Southerner. The other pie on our Thanksgiving table was always apple. These days it’s usually a pear frangipane tart, if I can get my act together.

    Did Crosse & Blackwell mincemeat ever have meat in it? It’s been vegetarian(ish) for as long as I can remember.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Next week on 700 Club:

    “What’s with the cops beating the tar out of you people? Is that a black thing?”

  73. 73
    jl says:

    @Steeplejack: I love mincemeat pie. Back when I was a youngin’ there were some oldsters in my family who were so old school, they insisted on putting a little shredded meat and suet into it to make it genuine mincemeat.

    It was delicious and gulped down like water even by young whippernsappers who claimed the idea of meat in it was gross, and that the did not care whether the pie was ‘real mincemeat’.

    I think making it out of most jar mixed is not that good, it’s a kind of super sweet syrupy glop pie. But making the real thing is a lot of work.

    Do any jar mixes have meat and suet in them?

  74. 74
    gnomedad says:

    @Steeplejack:
    You know what would happen if Obama said his grandma never made mac and cheese.

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    Maude says:

    @Steeplejack:
    Saw the mincemeat in Shoprite. Both the brick and the jar.
    I grew up with it.

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    shortstop says:

    @PanAmerican: See, but you call it the wrong thing, so we can pick you out in crowds.

    @scav: Mmmm, black and uppity.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: @Suffern ACE: There’s also Jus’ Mac in Houston, just a few blocks from me.

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    Donald G says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Talking about Thanksgiving traditions, does anyone still do mincemeat pies? I come from a fairly straightforward Southern crackro-American background, and there was always a mincemeat pie on the table right next to the pumpkin pie. But that seems to be going away. I have a harder time each year finding Crosse & Blackwell mincemeat in the grocery store, and the killer came a year or so ago when I took a leftover piece of pie to work. A young (early 20s) coworker had never had mincemeat pie—this is Virginia, for chrissakes!—and when I asked her if she wanted a taste she said, “No, thanks, I’m a vegetarian.”

    I was born and raised a Virginian and we never did mincemeat pie. Of course, I was a picky eater and you probably couldn’t get me to try it if it was offered. Thanksgiving spread around our grandparents’ homes consisted of turkey, yams, regular potatoes, green beans, collards, cornbread muffins, dinner rolls, pumpkin pie and apple pie. No mincemeat – maybe my grandparents just didn’t like mincemeat, so they didn’t bother with it.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    Mincemeat is my favorite pie. Traditional mincemeat doesn’t have to have meat in it. It’s ‘meat’ in the sense of food, not flesh. Related to nut ‘meats’. Mincemeat was a good way to use dried or preserved fruits or fruit that was older and only good for chopping up.

  80. 80
    JGabriel says:

    ABL @ Top:

    All your mac and cheese are belong to us. Suck it, white people!

    Uh oh. I’m one of those white people who doesn’t like mac & cheese, never did. Unless it’s like orecchiette & parmesan — love parmigiano cheese.

    .

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    shortstop says:

    @Steeplejack: My mom’s a Kentuckian and we always had scratch mincemeat pies, but at Christmas, not Thanksgiving.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @JGabriel: Thanks fancypants, now I’m starving.

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    Litlebritdifrnt2 says:

    @Steeplejack:

    I went to World Market last week on the way back from Myrtle Beach and found (praise be the FSM) a pack of Walkers mince pies, which I of course bought, I also found (again praise be) an individual size Christmas Pudding. I shall, with great ceremony, make myself some brandy butter custard type thing to go with it on Christmas Day and I shall eat it with great delight.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:

    I don’t think so. Some mincemeat recipes will add a shmitz of suet, but most of them are vegetarian.

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    Waynski says:

    @Svensker: What planet DOES he come from? …Marklar.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @BGinCHI:

    LOL.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @shortstop: Is it true she kilt a bar when she was only 3?

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    shortstop says:

    @JGabriel: But that just proves that everyone loves some version of mac and cheese. Loving it is a basic human instinct. Unless one is lactose-intolerant, of course.

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    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    @Steeplejack: Got one of those going into the oven tonight- could only find “Robertson’s” but its pretty good.

    This stuff’s supposedly Vegan, but in any case one must eat it little bits.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @gnomedad:

    Riot in Aisle 5!

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    shortstop says:

    @BGinCHI: That dude was born on a mountaintop in Tennessee, you ignorant barbarian.

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    scav says:

    Must admit my concept of mincemeat in limited to isn’t-made-of-meat which leaves a lot to the imagination. Brussels Sprouts, Figs and Cool Whip? Dried corn is practically the only requisite thing on the traditional scavian table, probably because my father hated turkey with a passion. Fighting forest fires usually got him out from under the once-yearly obligation to eat it and he may have gone pyro at some point (I remember a lot of hams).

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    Donald G says:

    @JGabriel:

    Uh oh. I’m one of those white people who doesn’t like mac & cheese, never did. Unless it’s like orecchiette & parmesan — love parmigiano cheese.

    I liked it fine, up to a point, but I can’t tell you the last time I had macaroni and cheese. I’ve certainly never fixed it as an adult. I think I just might have gotten sick of the taste after having it so often as a child.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @RossInDetroit:

    What you said. I’ve never seen real meat in a mincemeat pie recipe, just occasionally a little suet.

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @Donald G: Also a born and raised Virginian, until I found housing for a DC job cheaper in Maryland. Your menu was what my mother did for years.

    To all interested in mincemeat, no canned products have meat anymore and haven’t for decades. My spouse and I made real mincemeat with round steak many years ago from a 19th C recipe- it was delish, and a great gift because you had to can it, but some of his office mates has issues with the pie having actual meat.

    Last year we made authentic Brit Christmas puddings (we candied peel from scratch, which is so much better than the purchased stuff) for which we needed suet. Not easy to find, even in urban DC, but we did it. Lot’s of fun, lot’s of work, got to set food on fiah, but we are taking a break from it this year.

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    shortstop says:

    Shit! The dry cleaner may have closed at 6:00 and he has all the living room throw pillow covers (dashes for door)!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @jl:

    I think making it out of most jar mixed is not that good, it’s a kind of super sweet syrupy glop pie.

    I like making it from scratch, but the Crosse & Blackwell will do you in a pinch. Worth hunting down.

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    Three-nineteen says:

    The restaurant I ate lunch at today had mac & cheese on the menu. If memory serves, it contained sun dried tomatoes, mushrooms, and truffle oil. Gruyere was one of two cheeses (can’t remember the other one).

    The best part of the clip is the interviewer yelling “YES!!!” and starting to babel to keep Robertson from saying anything else.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @shortstop: My mom’s from Arkansas, so barbarian is a compliment.

    Some days I just don’t know my Boones from my Crocketts. When it’s really bad I even mix up my Tubbs and my Crocketts.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Donald G:

    My parents were both from Tennessee–Nashville and outside Clarksville. Maybe it’s one of those micro-regional things.

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    bemused says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Maybe Pat’s grandmama never made mac & cheese but he has to have seen the dish often in his lifetime. He’s a southern Baptist, for pete’s sake. He might be getting senile (with him, how can you tell?) but he just sounded like a snotty old fart.

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    jacy says:

    My (racist) in-laws consider themselves upper crust (pretentious) Southern and serve baked macaroni and cheese on all special occasions. (Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving). Of course, they’re Catholics, so Pat Robertson probably considers them pagans and no different than “the blacks” anyway.

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    Donald G says:

    @shortstop:

    But that just proves that everyone loves some version of mac and cheese. Loving it is a basic human instinct. Unless one is lactose-intolerant, of course.

    I never could stand the taste of milk (it makes me want to puke), and only do cheese with pizza (and tomato sauce)… and it took me to the age of 18 to even tolerate the looks and taste of pizza. Maybe my milk and cheeses have to be mixed with other products for me to even tolerate them.

    The taste of mayonnaise also activates my gag reflex, and the slightest taste of it on anything can ruin my enjoyment of a meal.

    My dietary quirks are a source of embarrassment because my wife really likes mayo (and cheese, but not together, thank God) and one set of grandparents operated a real dairy during my childhood.

    On the other hand, I’m one of the few people on this planet who apparently likes the taste of broccoli.

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    jl says:

    Old school genuine mince meat pie has shredded meat and suet in it. And everything else you can thing of, except broccoli and watermelon (I think). End of story. Period. Case closed. The cranky oldsters in my family who came out of hearty thieving peasant stock from the Border Country told me so.

    I just did a recipe search for mayonnaise loaf. Is that a ‘white’ thing?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    One has to keep in mind that Pat Robertson is a guy who thinks that being the officer in charge of getting booze for the O-Club to be “combat duty.”

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    Comrade Mary says:

    We had mincemeat pie at Christmas during my Québecois childhood (along with child-sized portions of rosé wine), but my sister and I preferred the raisin pie.

    Also.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    Let’s be honest about why M&C is so popular: It’s easy to fix and loaded with fat. Fatty foods taste good. Pretty hard to mess up, as well.
    On occasions when I’ve had to pitch in and clean up school lunchrooms I’ve come to appreciate its adhesive qualities as well.

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    Donald G says:

    @jl:

    I just did a recipe search for mayonnaise loaf. Is that a ‘white’ thing?

    //shudders in revulsion at the very thought//

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    Jennifer says:

    ABL, I’m in the process of developing a line of cookie mixes, so tell me which kind of cookies are a black thing.

    (just kidding – unless there’s some really killer cookies y’all have been keeping secret from us)

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    MD Rackham says:

    In Wyoming, in the 60’s, my uncle insisted on real mincemeat pie for Thanksgiving. And by “real” he meant that it had to contain deer or elk meat (and suet) that he had shot himself. It was pretty damn tasty as I recall. Almost made up for the memory of dressing the elk in the snow.

    Never heard of mac’n’cheese at Thanksgiving, but if it is a “black thing” it’s yet another part of black culture I’m happy to appropriate.

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    shortstop says:

    @BGinCHI: Just keep your Hatfields and McCoys straight and you’ll be doing fine.

    I know y’all are on the edges of your chairs, so I’ll report that the dry cleaner was still open and our living room will thus be accessorized tomorrow. Whew.

    ETA: A bonus! My field guide to mammals of southern Africa arrived from Amazon! Wheeeee!

    Also, I’ll pay any of you $1,000 to come over here and iron this tablecloth.

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    eemom says:

    I always thought mac and cheese was a kid thing. Like Spaghetti-Os.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Donald G:

    On the other hand, I’m one of the few people on this planet who apparently likes the taste of broccoli.

    I like broccoli a lot; it’s probably my favorite vegetable.

    I think broccoli hate is overrated. It’s not that common, it’s just that the haters are really vocal about it.

    .

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    jl says:

    @Donald G: yeah, well I wanted to see if I could gat that search into the Times food map.

    Thanks to the commenter above for posting the link that that. I went through all the foods. Not sure how to interpret it.

    I definitely learned that ‘sweet potatoes’ are a ‘black’ and ‘southern’ thing. And that ‘yams’ are a ‘western’ and ‘white’ thing.

    My other conclusion is that, seeing as it is a map of recipe searches, no one in the US knows how to make their own regional cuisines any more. So, if you are in the south, you have to do a search for pecan pie, and if you are in New England or the Midwest you need to do a search for apple pie.

    What, in the name of God, ruination is this country coming too? To quote my cranky grandmother. Does no one cook at home anymore, and live on burgers fries and soda the rest of the year?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @jl:

    I just did a recipe search for mayonnaise loaf. Is that a “white” thing?

    I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure olive loaf is. Ngrr!

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    gnomedad says:

    @Steeplejack:

    Riot in Aisle 5!

    No, no, no, think “arugula”.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @JGabriel:

    I think broccoli hate is overrated. It’s not that common, it’s just that the haters are really vocal about it.

    Yeah, this.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @JGabriel:

    I think broccoli hate is overrated. It’s not that common, it’s just that the haters are really vocal about it.

    There’s Actual Science behind some of it. To some people broccoli tastes very bitter and unpleasant. Others cannot eat broccoli, cauliflower or cabbage-related veggies without having gastric consequences. I like it and I’d eat it if it didn’t cause nasty reactions in my gut.

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    Darkrose says:

    @celticdragonchick: That could be–most of my friends are from the north or west, and my mother was from Louisiana.

    My wife and I have made it our mission to try mac & cheese from as many Sacramento restaurants as possible. Unfortunately, having found a couple that we really like, we end up just going there over and over again.

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    Kyrondo says:

    Keep in mind when they are talking about Mac & Cheese they are not referring to the regular box with powdered cheese. This is baked dish with real cheese and a light crust. Since relying on stereotypes is easier then actually asking, researching, and learning things; people often mistake a southern traditions and ways of thinking as “black”. There a lot of cultural overlap among blacks and whites in the south.

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    MattMinus says:

    @John M. Burt:

    I actually kind of agree with this. There’s a certain kind of old man racism that seems to come from cluelessness more than malice.

    The funny thing is, it seems that it’s mac and chees that confuses him more than anything about black people, per se.

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    ABL says:

    @eemom: i’m not talking about the Kraft boxed stuff. i’m talking mac and cheese casserole with eggs and evaporated milk and a pound of butter and bread crumbs on top.

    it’s the business.

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    Raven says:

    Fixin to eat this here fresh Pompano straight out of the gulf!

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    shortstop says:

    @Raven: Hold up! I can be there in four hours!

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @RossInDetroit: My first thought when you said this was, “Down here, it’s an everyday thing.”

    Here is what you get when you go where the lobbyists go

    TRUFFLED MAC-N-CHEESE ‘CRACK-IN-A-CROCK’, the perfect blend of nine different cheeses and pasta blended and baked perfectly with white & black truffles for a ‘hedonistic’ finish $10.00

    And I will attest to having Macaroni and Cheese on T-day. Sucka!

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    Comrade Mary says:

    Broccoli for the Haters:

    Sesame-Garlic Broccoli

    Crunchy Stir-Fried Broccoli

    1. Cut broccoli into florets.
    2. Cut off the last inch of stem, peel the rest, and slice into sticks as big as your little finger.
    3. Grate 1-2 big cloves of garlic.
    4. Heat some oil in a pan on medium high heat, salt it (to reduce spatter), and add broccoli. Arrange grated garlic over it and add salt and pepper.
    5. After about a minute of sautéeing, drop heat slightly, add 1-2 tablespoons of water, and cover.

    Broccoli is done when it’s tender crisp. If you use a steel pan instead of non-stick, you can let the broccoli get brown in places: this makes it sweet!

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    BGinCHI says:

    All this talk of micemeat pie has me hungry.

    Tunch Jr! Get me some mice for my after-supper enjoyment!

    Earn your keep you taker!

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    RossInDetroit says:

    I’ll probably be having canned soup and yogurt or something at home for Thanksgiving dinner. I’ve come down with a virus that I don’t want to share with a family full of very young and old people. I hate to miss another family dinner at Grandma’s. She’s 93 and talking about selling the house and moving to a retirement place.

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    jacy says:

    @JGabriel:

    You know what vegetable people really should hate? Beets. Beets are the devil’s vegetable.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Raven: Are you in Alabam?

    Fed-ex me a fish.

    I’ll send you back a hot dog without ketchup.

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    Violet says:

    We have cheese grits on Thanksgiving. One of the friends we share Thanksgiving with had it as a kid for her Thanksgiving, so she always brings it. I look forward to it every year.

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    shortstop says:

    @jacy: Only when pickled. I admit they’re deeply nasty then. But they’re really nice roasted.

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    Violet says:

    @jacy:
    I loooove beets. Loved them as a kid, love them more now. Love the beet greens too. Pretty much love everything about them.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Raven: You’re killing us in the windy city.

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    shortstop says:

    @Raven: Attaboy! Enjoy it.

    Ross, sorry to hear the weather’s atop you. Feel bettah.

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    Raven says:

    @BGinCHI: It’s stunning here, rained last night otherwise mid-70’s and a little breezy. I’m going to hate sitting on my ass watching the dawgs and the hokies Saturday but I have another deep sea trip booked Friday so that’ll do.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @jacy:

    Beets are the devil’s vegetable.

    I like beets in all forms except Harvard, which are cooked in cornstarch. Why do that?

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    jl says:

    @jacy: All food is good. There is a reason it is called ‘edible’ folks.

    I love broccoli. And I double love brussels sprouts. If other people do not how to prepare them so that they are good, that just means more for me.

    As for beets, I too hated beets until I was in Northern Europe, and after resisting for two weeks, took the plunge and started eating beet salad.

    My first bite, I was worried about whether I would gag and create a bad impression among my Yurrpean acquaintances.

    But beet salad is wonderful if you treat the beets correctly. You have to buy fresh beets and make it yourself. What they do to beets in the US is criminal, IMHO.

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    Violet says:

    @jl:
    I love brussel sprouts too. Especially the younger, smaller ones when you roast them. Yum!

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    MGB says:

    @jacy: Beets are evil and should never exist within my presence. Did I mention that I dislike beets?

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    Donald G says:

    @jl:

    What, in the name of God, ruination is this country coming too? To quote my cranky grandmother. Does no one cook at home anymore, and live on burgers fries and soda the rest of the year?

    My grandmother did most of the cooking… insisted on doing it, in fact… so we spoiled grandkids never really learned how to do it properly. This year, when it comes to Thanksgiving dinner, my wife’s gone on strike and so, I’m fixing it instead. Damn straight, I’m gonna be printing out recipes to follow. Fortunately, since we now live far, far away from the relatives, it’s only the immediate family that’ll have to suffer my cooking.

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    jl says:

    @Violet: I think people tend to cook them too much and they get bitter. I am too lazy to do things like roasting them very often, but I agree they are really good roasted.

    Is there a brussels sprouts mutual defense society we can join? I am tired of the endless persecution.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Raven: You are my new best friend. Warm weather and fishing. Dreamy.

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

    .
    .

    Pat Robertson Wonders if Mac and Cheese “Is a Black Thing.”

    In related news, Uncle Clarence Thomas Wonders if Holding a War Crimes Tribunal is “a Malaysian Thing.”
    .
    .

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    BGinCHI says:

    @RossInDetroit: My grandmother made these for every holiday.

    Truly a perfect way to ruin beets.

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    Violet says:

    @jl:
    I have a friend who loves them too. There are a few of us out there. Maybe we should start a Brussels Sprouts Defense League. If others don’t like them, it’s more for us.

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    different-church-lady says:

    The fact that we are now sharing gourmet mac and cheese recipes with each other is the only service Pat Robertson has ever done to humankind.

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    David Koch says:

    @eemom:

    I always thought mac and cheese was a kid thing.

    Ageist!

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    Steeplejack says:

    @jl:

    My other conclusion is that, seeing as it is a map of recipe searches, no one in the U.S. knows how to make their regional cuisines any more.

    One of the things I hope to do this weekend, in between the family drama and dysfunction, is to pick my mother’s brain about some favorite family recipes that she used to make. She is 81, still sharp, but she’s lost some of her cooking chops, I think because she hasn’t had to cook day in and day out for a full family in about 30 years. My brother who is a foodie says that because she cooks certain recipes so infrequently now she occasionally forgets some of the small but crucial details. So I want to go through some of the recipes and try to get down written versions, at least for experimentation later.

    She grew up in rural Tennessee and is a good “Southern” cook, but she branched out because our military family moved all around the country (and overseas). She added things to her repertoire wherever we went. There is a whole genre of military “wives’ clubs” cookbooks, similar to the Junior League ones, and among all the predictable kitsch there are some really amazing recipes, and she picked up a lot of them. The really good ones are sort of Americanized takes on “local” cuisine (circa 1960-70), “local” meaning the foreign country in which the cook was currently stationed.

    Speaking of mincemeat above, one of the things I have got to figure out is my mother’s mincemeat tarts. Sometimes, instead of a pie, she would make a big batch of mincemeat tarts. Roughly the size and shape of those awful fruit pies you can get at 7-Eleven (or formerly in vending machines), but made with good mincemeat and homemade pie crust. With this one it’s not so much the recipe I have to figure out but the logistics of how she made enough crust in one batch (or several?) to make so many tarts. I’ve only ever made one or two pie crusts at a time, and I want to figure out how she scaled it up. How much crust do you need for x number of tarts?

    There are also some confusing things that need to be cleared up. There is a dessert that I call Mom’s “German chocolate cake,” but my brother swears it is her “chocolate pound cake,” and what he describes as her German chocolate cake is something I don’t even remember. I’m not even sure we’re talking about the same thing. I am nine years older than he is, so God only knows what happened at home after I left.

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    @BigSouthern:

    Worse. I don’t know if anybody has said this, but Pat Robertson’s father was a U.S. senator.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Violet:
    You are welcome to my allotment. If I didn’t have to be that close to them I’d even deliver them as long as I didn’t have to be anywhere near eating them. In 6 decades I have never had them cooked so that I could eat them. I’ve sat down to dinner with other people who couldn’t get enough but I’ve had my fill for a lifetime.

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    Origuy says:

    We had some cheddar with horseradish in the fridge awhile back, and my housemate made mac ‘n’ cheese with it. It was really good. She tried again with real horseradish and regular cheddar. That was even better.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    Re mincemeat, belatedly: the ONLY way to make mincemeat pie is with shredded meat in it. (Why the hell do you think it’s been given that name?) And the best mincemeat pie ever made in history was my mother-in-law’s, made with jackrabbit. Yeah, I’m old, but damn.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton:

    According to the ‘pedia mincemeat is ‘sometimes’ made with meat or suet.
    and: “Meat was also a term for food in general, not only animal flesh.”

    Most of what we eat today has no actual meat in it.

    There’s an amusing family story about my teetotaling great grandfather eating brandy flavored mincemeat pie. I remember it as being a tense moment.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    Ok, you folks are so knowledgeable about wonderful recipes (seriously). Does anyone have a recipe for sour cream custard pie with ground raisin base? Every recipe I find says sprinkle raisins through the cream. No, no, no – a sour cream custard with that amazing raisin base. My Aunt Clara always made that for us at Christmas, my mom managed to obtain the recipe, but no one has found it since they both died ten and fifteen years ago.

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    Kyle says:

    @PanAmerican:

    Canadians eat a disturbingly large amount of Kraft Dinner.

    It’s even part of the lyrics of Weird Al Yankovic’s ‘Canadian Idiot’:

    Sure they got their national healthcare
    Cheaper meds, low crime rate and clean air
    Then again well they’ve got Celine Dion
    Eat their weight in Kraft Macaroni
    And dream of driving a Zamboni
    All over Saskatchewan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....plpp_video

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    South of I-10 says:

    I was just about to start making macaroni and cheese for tomorrow, and not that crap in a box either. I’m in charge of that and rice dressing and yep, still white.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @RossInDetroit: Yeah, I know that about no meat nowadays … or even when I was a young mom. But I’ve never tasted anything better than that with meat … unless it was my Aunt Clara’s sour cream custard raisin pie.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @RossInDetroit: Forgot to mention – I made the mistake of serving real tiramisu – with rum – to grandma and teetotaling daughter. Ohhh … big mistake.

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    scav says:

    Ah, reading on, sort of a fruit cake only in a crust and possibly with actual meat. I’m definitely going for the carnivorous versions. With crystallized ginger. Possibly heavy on the pepper.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    Another story re mac and cheese – family took me out to a very elegant restaurant for my birthday, and they had, yes! mac and cheese on the menu. I so enjoyed ordering that …. you might begin to understand why I have the name I do here.

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    Raven says:

    @BGinCHI: And I send you rock and roll movies!

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    jl says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton:

    “But I’ve never tasted anything better than that with meat …”

    People, for the love of humanity, listen to Fat Kate Middleton.

    and
    “sour cream custard raisin pie”

    That was on old recipe in my family too, and could always count on it, or a close variant on holidays. I watched for that one to come out.

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    shortstop says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton: I am intrigued by your sour cream custard raisin pie and wish to subscribe to a big honking hunk of it.

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    piratedan says:

    mmmmm Mac and Cheese, especially good with UC Davis pepper spray to give it that extra special zest!

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @jl: Still looking for the recipe.@shortstop: If I find it, it will be mailed to you first.

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    honus says:

    @Jerry: to be fair, it’s usually listed as a “side” not a vegetable. But Robertson not knowing what mac and cheese is is as tone deaf as Bush I being amazed at grocery scanners.
    I am a southern boy who grew up in a county in West Virginia (Wetzel) where there have been no black people since before the Civil War. I ate plenty of mac and cheese growing up. I guess Robertson’s dad’s maid never made mac and cheese for him.

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    RossInDetroit says:

    @piratedan:

    mmmmm Mac and Cheese, especially good with UC Davis pepper spray to give it that extra special zest!

    Flaked red pepper is one of our secret M&C ingredients. Anything with that much fat and protein can stand up to it and it cuts the blandness of the dairy.

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    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    “What is this ‘mac and cheese’? Is that a black thing?”

    jawdrop

    Has this man never had a meal that cost less than $100, or what?

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    jl says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton:

    Please be advised that my method of cooking is to try shit out and see what happens. I eat all edible items, so there is no waste involved, even if it stinks.

    I would try a combo of these to recipes

    MOM’S VERY OLD RECIPE OF SOUR CREAM
    RAISIN PIE

    Read more about it at http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/.....01,00.html
    Content Copyright © 2011 Cooks.com – All rights reserved.

    1 c. sour cream
    1/2 c. raisins, chopped fine
    1/2 tsp. cinnamon
    1/4 tsp. cloves
    1 pinch nutmeg
    1 c. sugar
    3 egg yolks
    1 egg white

    Mix all ingredients and pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake like lemon custard. Then beat 2 egg whites; add 2 tablespoons of sugar and beat until stiff but not dry. Be sure all sugar granules are dissolved. Spread on pie and set in moderate oven until golden brown.

    CREAMY SOUR CREAM RAISIN PIE

    Read more about it at http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/.....06,00.html
    Content Copyright © 2011 Cooks.com – All rights reserved.

    1 c. raisins
    1/4 c. cornstarch
    1/2 tsp. cinnamon
    2 c. milk
    3/4 c. sugar
    1/4 tsp. nutmeg
    1/4 tsp. salt
    3 egg yolks, beaten
    1 c. sour cream
    1 tbsp. lemon juice
    Baked pie shell
    Whipped cream

    Mix raisins, cornstarch, cinnamon, milk, sugar, nutmeg and salt. Bring to a boil for 1 minute. Beat egg yolks and sour cream and add to cooked mixture. Cook until bubbly. Add lemon juice and cool slightly. Spoon into pie crust. Cover and chill 3 hours or more. Cover with whipped cream or whipped topping.
    Or make a meringue with the 3 egg whites left over from yolks. Put egg whites in bowl and whip until stiff with 3 tablespoons sugar. Spread over pie filling. Brown in a 400 degree oven about 10 minutes. Watch carefully so it doesn’t burn. Chill until pie is set, at least 3 hours.

    from
    http://www.cooks.com/rec/searc.....in,FF.html

    probably should layer the thing. Reserve some sour cream batter, put the cooked raisin glop made in the second recipe and cover with the cream batter.

    Repeat advisory, I have no idea WTF I am doing in the kitchen and do not give a damn if I am hungry. I will try any Godforsaken scheme and eat it.

    Yes, I did watch the honey badger clip, and it changed my life.

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    Nutella says:

    @Violet:

    One of the friends we share Thanksgiving with had it as a kid for her Thanksgiving, so she always brings it.

    Is your friend from Atlanta? I tried cheese grits there — slimy and gross. I am fond of grits and very fond of cheese but they just don’t go together.

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    MikeJ says:

    @Kyle: And If I had a Million Dollars by BNL. And the fanciest Dijon ketchups.

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    piratedan says:

    @RossInDetroit: I hear ya, I like mine with cayenne tbh, but crowd control strength is most likely above everyone’s normal threshold. Although I have to admit that I would watch in rapt attention should the 700 club crowd ever get tapped with some of said same.

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    jl says:

    @The Fat Kate Middleton:

    Reposted comment due to mystery moderation.

    Please be advised that my method of cooking is to try shit out and see what happens. I eat all edible items, so there is no waste involved, even if it stinks.

    I would try a combo of these to recipes

    MOM’S VERY OLD RECIPE OF SOUR CREAM
    RAISIN PIE

    1 c. sour cream
    1/2 c. raisins, chopped fine
    1/2 tsp. cinnamon
    1/4 tsp. cloves
    1 pinch nutmeg
    1 c. sugar
    3 egg yolks
    1 egg white

    Mix all ingredients and pour into unbaked pie shell. Bake like lemon custard. Then beat 2 egg whites; add 2 tablespoons of sugar and beat until stiff but not dry. Be sure all sugar granules are dissolved. Spread on pie and set in moderate oven until golden brown.

    CREAMY SOUR CREAM RAISIN PIE

    1 c. raisins
    1/4 c. cornstarch
    1/2 tsp. cinnamon
    2 c. milk
    3/4 c. sugar
    1/4 tsp. nutmeg
    1/4 tsp. salt
    3 egg yolks, beaten
    1 c. sour cream
    1 tbsp. lemon juice
    Baked pie shell
    Whipped cream

    Mix raisins, cornstarch, cinnamon, milk, sugar, nutmeg and salt. Bring to a boil for 1 minute. Beat egg yolks and sour cream and add to cooked mixture. Cook until bubbly. Add lemon juice and cool slightly. Spoon into pie crust. Cover and chill 3 hours or more. Cover with whipped cream or whipped topping.
    Or make a meringue with the 3 egg whites left over from yolks. Put egg whites in bowl and whip until stiff with 3 tablespoons sugar. Spread over pie filling. Brown in a 400 degree oven about 10 minutes. Watch carefully so it doesn’t burn. Chill until pie is set, at least 3 hours.

    from
    http://www.cooks.com/rec/searc.....in,FF.html

    probably should layer the thing. Reserve some sour cream batter, put the cooked raisin glop made in the second recipe and cover with the cream batter.

    Repeat advisory, I have no idea WTF I am doing in the kitchen and do not give a damn if I am hungry. I will try any Godforsaken scheme and eat it.

    Yes, I did watch the honey badger clip, and it changed my life.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Arclite: I bet you are a good dancer, play a mean game of B-Ball. :-)

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    AxelFoley says:

    @celticdragonchick:

    Sonny’s in South Georgia rocks.

    I used to live in Jacksonville, FL back in the 80s. Sonny’s was MY SHIT!

    LOVE, LOVE, LOVE me some Sonny’s

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    Svensker says:

    @Nutella:

    I am fond of grits and very fond of cheese but they just don’t go together.

    What? ! ?

    You are so wrong, ma soeur. Wrong wrong wrong.

    Also, somebody sling some of that raisin sour cream pie round cheer, please. God.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    Dayum, I’m black and never even knew it! Mac & cheese is a staple here at home but my wife makes her own version that puts store bought to shame.(FU Kraft)

    Wow… just… wow. Talk about strange. Oh right, it’s Pat Robertson.

    He defines strange. Racist too. Also.

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    eemom says:

    I can haz some love for other Macs, like Chili or Tuna?

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    Lysana says:

    Oh, dear. I am trying not to overcarb this year. But what with having Thanksgiving in Oakland with my husband and BF, the latter of whom is black, I am so tempted to add mac and cheese to the menu. I got assumed black on Twitter recently on top of that.

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    Bex says:

    @shortstop: I love pickled beets. We always had them as part of the cold vegetable assortment on holidays.

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    Bex says:

    @jl: Had never eaten brussels sprouts until I went to Italy. Fantastic, and even better the people we were with wouldn’t eat theirs so More For Me!

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    Barry says:

    @Jerry: “…I live in North Carolina where you’ll see mac n cheese listed in the “Vegetables” section of a menu. Usually at barbecue joints.”

    Well, when you’ve eaten a full serving of ribs and beans, coleslaw, a couple of baked potatoes and a few ears of corn, there’s nothing like a tall, frosty glass of mac n cheese to wash it all down :)

    I hear tell that the higher-class barbeque joints down there have a angioplasty set-up at each table, so that the waitress can roto-root you out between servings :)

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    priscianusjr says:

    Pretty American if you ask me. “He stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni” (and cheese).

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    gaz says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt2:

    a Vegan would starve within four days.

    WRT to the south, that’s a *feature*, not a bug.

    /hippie punching

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    Barry says:

    @StarStorm: “Dude, what the fuck do they eat on Planet Looney?”

    A huge ‘meatloaf’ made from $100 bills. After they change the $5’s and $10’s at the bank, that people who actually needed that money sent in.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    @jl: Omg. Love the badger clip more than I can say. My relatives are so tired of it. I’m sorry to say, though, this is not the recipe, if only because it calls for raisins to float around in the sour cream. No, no, no.

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    Soonergrunt says:

    I knew I had soul.

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    ruemara says:

    I hate mac and cheese, love broccoli, now love beets (canned beets still blow chunks), can’t abide mincemeat (it’s the name and the fact that I would not eat minced meat) and make a stellar spicy cheese grits. If your cheese grits are slimy and gross, you’re doing it wrong. ooooh if I weren’t no carbing it, cheddar cheese grits with bacon bits and red eye gravy plus a heaping helping of oven roasted jalapenos.

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    Oh, well … can we please watch this again?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

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    The Fat Kate Middleton says:

    I want him (honey badger) and Pat Robertson to meet each other.

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    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    @taylormattd:

    Oh well, she won’t get over it. ;)

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    demz taters says:

    Pat Robertson apparently hasn’t heard of MOTHERFUCKING mac and cheese.

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    rikyrah says:

    Chitlins…Black eyed peas….hot water cornbread…Hoppin’ John…Hot Head Cheese…Pepper sauce…Mississippi sausage…hamhocks in greens….

    I can accept someone calling them ‘ BLack things’

    MACARONI AND CHEESE?

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    KS in MA says:

    @Ruckus: He isn’t a first class anything. He’s not even a third class anything.

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    suzanne says:

    @Litlebritdifrnt2:

    Your average Vegetarian in the South will find themselves eating buns and soup, a Vegan would starve within four days.

    I tried to order vegetables in a barbecue restaurant while visiting my in-laws in Fayetteville, AK. I ordered green beans, and when the waitress brought them to the table, I had to ask what the brown flakes on top were. She must have instantly pegged me, because she said, “Honey, this is the south. our vegetables aren’t healthy here.” I was aghast. I’d never seen bacon on perfectly good green beans before.

    However, I HAVE seen mac and cheese at Thanksgiving. Even growing up, on Long Island, and here in Phoenix. So. Pat Robertson’s a moron.

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    fixalot says:

    Just ask Megyn Kelly at Fox, “Mac n cheese, It’s watermelon essentially.”

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @AxelFoley:

    I used to live in Jacksonville, FL back in the 80s. Sonny’s was MY SHIT!
    LOVE, LOVE, LOVE me some Sonny’s

    Now that’s what I’m talking about! :)

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    Sly says:

    I think Mac and Cheese was brought to America by Napoleon III or whatever.

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    wasabi gasp says:

    Chillin’ with the Jamaican patties.

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    heh, I’m white as hell and I like Mac n’ Cheese!

    Old Rev. Pat is an idiot. Makes us look bad too. :roll:

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    Ruckus says:

    @KS in MA:
    I sure get your point about him not scoring high on anything relating to being human, but a first class twit is the biggest, baddest twit that one can be. And Pat is, if not the biggest fucking twit(that’s polite for ASSHOLE by the way) he is in the running for top 5.
    Robinson, Chaney, Buchanan, Newt, Rove
    I may have to change that to top 10 – YMMV

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    Ron says:

    I’m not sure, but it sure sounds like he’s asking if mac and cheese on Thanksgiving is a “black thing”, which is still stupid, but not as idiotic as the idea that he has no idea what mac and cheese is.

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    Jill says:

    Mac and cheese is the ultimate comfort food. Forget chocolate…if you’re REALLY depressed, make yourself a nice meal of meat loaf and mac ‘n’ cheese. You will feel better instantly.

    You can substitute ground turkey for half the meat, but don’t forget the ketchup/cider vinegar/brown sugar/mustard/cayenne sauce, both for in the loaf and on top.

    And no fancy cheese with truffle oil, either. Elbows. Cheese sauce. Buttered bread crumbs and more grated cheese to top it. Bake.

    Heaven.

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    canuckistani says:

    A evidence for the Canadian love of Kraft Dinner, I present Lyrics from the Barenaked Ladies song “If I had a Million Dollars”

    If I had a million dollars
    We wouldn’t have to walk to the store
    If I had a million dollars
    We’d take a limousine ’cause it costs more
    If I had a million dollars
    We wouldn’t have to eat Kraft Dinner
    (spoken) But we would eat Kraft Dinner. Of course we would, we’d just eat more. And buy really expensive ketchups with it. That’s right, all the fanciest Dijon ketchups! Mmm. Mmm-hmm.

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    xian says:

    @John M. Burt: Well, you know, old man racism, that old man racism, he must know something, but he don’t say nothing, he just keeps rolling, he keeps on rolling along.

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    xian says:

    @RossInDetroit: why not just make your own at the salad bar?

    p.s.: good work everyone ignoring dotty mctrollerson

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    Jack the Second says:

    Delmonico’s (the 174 year old steak house which invented Lobster Newberg, Chicken a la Keene, and Baked Alaska) has King Crab Macaroni and Cheese on its menu.

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    He probably knows what Macaroni and Cheese is but doesn’t know what Mac-n-Cheese is

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    Heez says:

    I wonder how he got through McCallie? When I went there they served mac & cheese twice a week (dinner for borders, seemed like every day at lunch). Granted that was like a hundred years after Pat attended, but my dad says they were serving the same thing back in the 60s when Pat’s sons were attending.

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    Console says:

    Robertson is from Virginia. Which is southern but as far as culinary practices go, it’s garbage. And I say that as a person that spent most of his life in Hampton roads. You can find a good BBQ joint (that will definitely sell mac and cheese as a side) in any podunk town east of Raleigh in NC. But as far as Virginia goes… nothin. Deprived state

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    Michele C says:

    @Jenny: Seriously, who trusts a woman who eats mac and cheese *once* a year?? That is just wrong.

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    Arclite says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    @Arclite: I bet you are a good dancer, play a mean game of B-Ball. :-)

    (Because I said I’m whiter than talc).

    Yeah, I’m pretty typical white guy: run long distance cuz I can’t play sports. I never dance. I read fantasy novels and play games on my ‘puter. Oh, and I comment on political blogs.

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    W. Kiernan says:

    My sister took me to a rather nice restaurant the other day for my birthday and they had lobster-macaroni-and-cheese on their menu.

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    harlana says:

    somebody turned off the lights in the attic a long time ago

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    grandpa john says:

    @ruemara:

    well if you are going to have red eye gravy, you certainly need a couple of slices of country ham to go with it.

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    Bill says:

    It’s an orange thing. I’m sure of it.

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    pjcamp says:

    Wait a minnit . . . I’m black?

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    Marshal T says:

    I came to this comment section for a badass mac n cheese recipe and all I got was this lousy raisin pie.

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