On Saturday, November 12, at 8 p.m. ET, CBS News and National Journal will present the first Republican presidential primary debate on broadcast television. It will take place at Wofford College in Spartanburg, S.C., and will be moderated by CBS Evening News anchor and managing editor Scott Pelley and National Journal congressional correspondent Major Garrett. The debate will focus primarily on national security and foreign policy. Viewers will be able to watch the debate on the CBS Television Network and streaming live right here on CBSNews.com.
(Embedding not available as of 7:55pm)
If you prefer snark, choose the Guardian‘s Richard Adams:
Due to sins committed in a previous life, I will be live blogging tonight’s GOP debate. Next time I want to come back as an ant.
Willard Romney goes for Orwell BIG LIE within the first 10 minutes:
“One thing we know. If we elect Barack Obama will have a nuclear weapon. If we elect Mitt Romney, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.”
So: Vote Romney, if you really want a shooting war with Iran.
Violet
Just posted this in the other thread, but it’s more appropriate here:
The Guardian is live blogging the debate, as usual. A delicious taste:
Nate Dawg
Here we go
cathyx
You must have been a very very bad girl.
ETA: Ok, have had too much wine, I thought that was your quote.
Naive and Sentimental
CBS’s intro montage was half crazy ass statements, a quarter random platitudes about how bad the country is and a quarter the candidates interrupting each other and bickering.
dmsilev
Let me guess: Obama sucks. Bomb bomb bomb Iran. Yay Israel! Boo France! Uzi-glen-beck-istan. 9-9-9 (just because).
Chuck Butcher
OMG, “The Commander In Chief Debate”
dmsilev
Just once, I’d like to hear one of these moderators say “Candidates have one minute to answer the question. If they choose to answer a completely unrelated question, I will employ this Taser.”
Nate Dawg
They use oil as a weapon!
lamh35
I posted this after the last debate, but it still fits here i think.
So I’ve been thinking about the “inevitability of Romney” and all these debates, and one thing I will say about the long Dem primary of 2008, it may have been long, but IMHO, it made Obama a better candidate for the general, because all the oppo research thrown at him by Clinton campaign was the exact things that McCain campaign tried to throw at him and thx to the long primary and all those debates he performed way better than expected in those debates.
The Dem primary debates included a number of great debaters, I’d contend that allt he candidate were great debaters when they had the chance to be. Chris Dodd, Biden, Clinton, Edwards and Obama were all as I recall fine in the debate format. No real major gaffes, Biden being the best in my mind.
On the flip side, the GOP debaters are mostly all horrible debaters. Romney’s winning by default in these debates. He just has to sit back and let the other contenders fall on their swords. He has not really been challenged by either the other candidates or the moderators in the debates so far.
Romney’s been allowed to coast along, and I suspect that once he wins the nomination and he actualy has to debate President Obama, he will find out what McCain did. POTUS ain’t no slouch in the debate department, and unlike Romney’s current opposition, POTUS has a knack for remembering figures, statements and information without cue cards and contrary to the teleprompter meme that Romney and his ilk like to traffic on, Obama is really quick on his feet.
These debates have not allowed Romney to hone any defense to the many things that oppo researchers on both sides have on him and with his history of bending which ever way the winds blows there are many attacks to be made against Romney. IMHO, none of these debates so far have prepared Romney for the fight that the Obama campaign will bring to him in the general.
So I think Romney should enjoy this cakewalk to the nomination because once it’s over, he better be ready.
Comrade Javamanphil
I realized I had suffered enough this week so I’m taking it easy and eating cyanide coated razor blades instead.
Naive and Sentimental
Somehow Republicans still think buying oil from Venezuela somehow lowers the price of Iranian oil
jrg
@dmsilev: Way to spoil the surprise.
Shari
I like that the debate is 90 minutes long, but CBS is only airing 60 minutes of it.
cathyx
We don’t want God to be a vengeful god, but in fact, Herman Cain said god told him to run, so there you have it. It’s God’s fault.
Nate Dawg
What would you do about Iran?
Everything Obama’s done, but I won’t admit he’s done it.
dmsilev
@jrg: Sorry, I should have put a spoiler warning at the beginning of my post.
I note that we’ve already hit the ‘bomb bomb bomb Iran” bit.
RandyH
Why does Gingrich still get referred to as “Mr. Speaker” when Pelosi gets referred to as “Princess?”
dmsilev
@cathyx: It makes sense if you realize that Cain’s god is Loki.
Nate Dawg
Moderator’s a little bitch.
ruemara
I can’t drink on this diet and there’s no pills. I can’t see watching the debate on any less than a massive bender.
RandyH
@Shari:
East coast viewers have to watch the final half-hour online. West coast viewers get the whole thing on TV because the time difference doesn’t interfere with the profitable prime-time shows.
dmsilev
Perry manages to answer a question without drooling on himself. Victory!
Suffern ace
Sadly I can’t watch. I assume there is a heated discussion on picking up women in Egypt as a vital humanitarian interest of the country.
RandyH
Santorum seems to be running on his vast experience in Washington. Really smart move there…
SiubhanDuinne
Michele got a haircut! (or possibly it’s pulled back in a chignon, but looks short). Actually, it’s a very becoming look for her.
And that’s the last nice thing I expect to say about any of the Clown Posse tonight.
Edit: Side view shows it’s a French twist, not a short cut. Still a very good look for her.
/superficial lookist
dmsilev
Huntsman sounding sane by comparison to the rest of the field. A low bar to clear, granted.
RandyH
Spikes in violence in Afghanistan are the result of foreigners (us) being there. Solution: Leave!
Nate Dawg
Huntsman for the win.
The Dangerman
Wow, Huntsman gave a completely coherent answer; too bad he’s polling at around 0%.
cathyx
I’m actually watching This Old (Rich Person’s) House instead.
dmsilev
Romney: “We need to be in Afghanistan for at least another three years”.
Gingrich: “Attack Iran *and* Pakistan”
JPL
Oh no the President is bringing the troops home in the middle of fighting season. Can someone tell me when fighting season is?
Chuck Butcher
I’m not sure but it sure just sounded as though Newt suggested war with Pak as well as Iran… Better get a draft started.
dmsilev
I like how all the candidates are using the passive voice to refer to the death of Osama bin Laden. Sorry guys, that skinny guy currently living in the White House gave the order that led to that killing, and trying to ignore that fact just makes you look (more) foolish.
Cacti
@Chuck Butcher:
And since it would be funded with borrowed money, deficits would go back to not mattering, as Ronald Reagan taught us.
SiubhanDuinne
@Nate Dawg:
Moderator is not only a little bitch, he started out by saying noo-kyu-lar.
Or maybe that’s what you meant.
dmsilev
Rick Perry proposes zeroing out aid to Israel!
JPL
UhOh..Perry is going off script..
Nate Dawg
can i haz foreign aid? NO
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
This could be entertaining after all.
RandyH
Rick Perry just said without knowing it that he will end aid to Israel along with all other countries, like Pakistan.
I wonder if anyone else will notice.
Update: Someone else did… @dmsilev:
Violet
@dmsilev:
He doesn’t want to be President, does he?
Bill Murray
To quote “The Amazing Colossal Man”
What kind of sin could a man commit in a single lifetime to bring this upon himself?
Several other quotes also work for the Republicans running for President
Perry: Not another drop! Not another drop as long as I live!
Huntsman: Why don’t you ask me what it feels like to be a freak?
Cain: They gave me an expandable sarong… Army ingenuity!
dmsilev
“Congresswoman Bachmann, you serve on the Intelligence Committee”
And with that phrase, Irony gave up and ran out into traffic.
dmsilev
@Violet: Possibly. Or, he’s too ignorant to know what he just proposed.
I’m going to go with Option B.
scav
Reading Tom L’s book on Einstein and getting well into the German WWI part immediately prior to reading the above description of the posse’s foreign policy statements is not good for one’s sanity or willingness to wake up with a pulse tomorrow.
SiubhanDuinne
I love the close-ups of Perry while Bachman or any of the others are talking. He has that kind of intense, understanding, following-closely expression that an English-only speaker assumes when everyone else is talking a foreign language.
SiubhanDuinne
Newt has a new adverb! He’s expanded “frankly” to include “candidly.”
I’m waiting for “truthfully” and “honestly,” myself.
Chuck Butcher
The Israeli licking is pretty impressive…
Oh noes, Rick Santorum actually said something almost sensible about Pak.
Now I want to hurt myself for saying that.
Anne Laurie
@dmsilev:
No, no Rick Perry thinks Israel is America’s 51st state; it’s those foreign countries he’s not gonna throw money at anymores.
dmsilev
Ooh, Santorum just said that government spending creates jobs!
(apparently, that only works for military spending)
RandyH
Moderator: If a Pakistani nuclear weapon goes missing, what do you do?
Santorum: Pakistan must be our friend like the Saudis, who did 9/11, are. So we need to pretend that they like us too and cover for them. And sell them weapons.
Okay…
Reality Check
It looks like Romney will be the one who will get to whip Obama’s ass.
Gex
@ruemara: Weed? If you go to a doctor with symptoms of planning to or having watched a Republican debate, you should be able get a prescription – at least in California.
@Chuck Butcher: It’s his stimulus plan?
dmsilev
The “Reagan/John Paul II/Thatcher” strategy? Um, what?
jl
Gingrich will think outside the box by building more mega toys for the military. Sounds good. Innovative.
Chuck Butcher
Newt just described thinking outside the box as doing all the same things they’ve ever done?
JPL
@RandyH: How many in the audience actually realized that it was Saudi Arabians that attacked us on 9/11.
What happened to Paul and Huntsman?
dmsilev
@jl: Of course. Aircraft carriers are outside the box, since nobody makes a large enough box.
doofus
@RandyH: Yeah, and he was right. I never thought I’d ever say in my life that I agree with Rick Santorum. But he was right.
David in NY
@Reality Check: Oh, now try to say something funnier than that! Go on, bet you can’t.
PaulW
Um… as incumbent President of the United States, Barack Obama already HAS nuclear weapons. And so far, he’s been pretty nice about not using them. So, for you Mr. Romney, that is a huge truckload of FAIL.
jl
@Gex: Weed, a nice little California town in the beautiful forest surrounding Mt. Shasta. Nice place to go for a rest if the GOPper debate causes undue mental stress.
JPL
Perry is doing a poor imitation of Palin. I’m not gonna answer that question..
dmsilev
Q to Perry: If you (remember to) eliminate the Department of Energy, what about the nukes.
Answer: “There are plenty of places in the government that can handle that”.
Wow. “We’ll think of something” isn’t all that appealing when the question is “what about those several thousand nuclear weapons?”.
SiubhanDuinne
@RandyH:
Could we compromise and refer to him as “Mr. Princess”?
hhex65
@Reality Check: uh I think you meant wipe
jl
@dmsilev: Ahh… thanks. The brilliance of Newt is too bright for me. New Ton risin’ Mr. New Ton risin’! Like the brilliance of a thousand suns.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@David in NY: I read “whip” as “wipe” and thought DougJ had some mushrooms before posting in his nom de troll.
RandyH
Cain doesn’t agree with torture. Uh oh. Career ender with this crowd.
But “enhanced interrogation techniques” are just fine. Okay. He’s speaking the right code now.
Whew!
SiubhanDuinne
Now see, I never knew before tonight that the ACLU is running the CIA.
Also, too, WATERBOARDING, fk yeah!
dmsilev
Cain: “Yay waterboarding!”
Bachman: “Yay waterboarding, boo ACLU!”
Paul: “Torture is illegal. Waterboarding is torture” (direct quote on this one)
jl
Olden Goldies time. Water boarding. An enhanced interrogation technique.
Will the very well informed hosts, one of which apparently is a Major, challenged the Big Lie that enhanced interrogation is effective?
Nope. Looks like they won’t.
The noncrazy part of Paul is doing good here, but does not go into the heart of the Big Lie that torture works.
Nate Dawg
Bachmann saying Obama gave up on the War on Terror is just so precious.
Tom Q
Hey, they finally let Ron Paul into the conversation. I swear: Gingrich, Bachman, even Santorum got called on several times since Paul was last heard from.
Scary thing: some of what Santorum’s said has sounded comparatively less insane tonight.
Reality Check
I don’t shed a single tear about KSM getting a little water poured up his nose.
jl
WTF did Huntsman just say?
SiubhanDuinne
Have to agree with Paul on waterboarding/ torture. Huntsman, too. Good for them for saying it in so many words.
Chuck Butcher
Oh gad, the torture question
Cain, um, um. waterboard
Michelle, ACLU is running the CIA
Paul, no way
Michelle again, Mememememe
Nate Dawg
@Reality Check: I give that a 6 on the trolling scale. A bit too obvious no?
gbear
I have to ask. Did the audience applaud in favor of waterboarding?
Richard Adams appears to have passed out. He’s barely posting at his live blog.
Chuck Butcher
oh mitt
American Century… blah, blah
scav
@gbear: Sins of his past life caught up with him. Where are the St. Bernards when we need them?
MonkeyBoy
Has anybody noticed a single person of color in the audience?
Cacti
Royalty Check is okay with torture.
Everyone raise your hand who is surprised by this.
Reality Check
YELLOW PERIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jl
Newt goes into crazy land, on TWO LEVELS! Instruct us Newt. KILL KILL KILL! As an act of war, courts schmorts for US citizens who become ENEMIES of the US in a time of war.
Nice read meat their, lots of blood.
Perry confuses Soviet Union and Russia. He must know a lot about Ubeki beki beki stan stan.
dmsilev
Perry: “China must change its virtues”
???
jl
@dmsilev: ‘Virtue’ in the classical sense: strength. Ha! Who says Perry is dim. You arrogant liberals.
Cacti
@Chuck Butcher:
Mitt’s Mor(m)on faith explicitly teaches that ‘Murrica is favored by Mor(m)on God.
scav
Somebody apparently waterboarded chex_mix with piss at 86.
The Dangerman
Perry confuses the Soviet Union and Russia. Isn’t it time for him to leave the stage?
gbear
@Reality Check: What, did you just find the color crayon that’s been missing from the box all week?
Chuck Butcher
Mittens
China
Trade is the big stick
ooooh, the gubmit stick … patents and such … big gov
and the kicker
WTO
ack
jl
OK Time for a GOP war count:
Iran
Pakistan
China (which one hopes can be kept down to a cyber war, maybe, if they are lucky).
edit: sorry, forgot about all those Arab Spring countries if they go anti Christian.
OK, Now Huntsman has to explain away why he was living in devil land amongst furriners.
dmsilev
Q: Gov. Hunstman, you were ambassador to China under President Obama. I’m not going to bother letting you answer the question, because we all know that the entire GOP electorate just hung you in effigy on hearing that.
SiubhanDuinne
@dmsilev:
He said it at least twice. Maybe more, I couldn’t hear clearly over the Niagara-like roar in my ears of the red wine whooshing down my esophagus because someone used a GOP Bingo word and I was contractually obliged to take a slug.
Chuck Butcher
uh oh
Huntsman did the engage Chinese youth
Mentioned being on the ground
Obamaaaaaaaaa…….
RandyH
The enforcement of time limits tonight is getting irritating, especially when someone is making good points.
Chyron HR
@Reality Check:
Of course it does, honey.
JPL
@gbear: Maybe Adams decided he wasn’t paid enough and changed the channel.
PaulW
Whoever’s bright idea it was to have 108 debates – before the Primaries even start – needs to get taken out behind the woodshed for a meeting with a large 2×4. Each debate for the GOP makes their candidates look weak, crazy, inconsistent, and/or all three at once. Bouncing from format to format doesn’t help much either.
It may be simply a weak field of candidates this cycle, true. But the sheer number of debates are honestly tuning people out, and the only ones paying attention are either the wingnuts who’ve already made up their minds (Not Mitt) or the librul blogosphere who keep chortling over every miscue and disaster each debate brings.
JGabriel
Breaking: Herman Cain about to announce 6-9-6-9 revision to 9-9-9 plan.
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Mr Stagger Lee
@Cacti: Well the Garden Of Eden was in Jackson County Missouri. (sings) I am a Mormon,and a Mormon must believe. (From the Broadway Musical The Book of Mormon)
JGabriel
A Vote For Perry Is A Vote For Starting At Zero!
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dmsilev
Perry says that Israel must “make its case” re: foreign aid.
Cacti
@Mr Stagger Lee:
And it’s the site of the New Jerusalem, where Jesus will reign personally.
Moonbatting Average
Well, I give Rick Perry credit that it takes balls to get up in front of a GOP crowd and suggest that Israel needs to “make its case” for aid.
scav
@PaulW: Possibly, but we can hope that it just means the stored clips will prove all the more gob-smacking to those missing the thrill now when they show up in the ads later. It’s more or less the Alexandria Library (The Mother of all Mother Lodes) for actual campaign.
dmsilev
Oh, goody. When we come back from commercial, Jim DeMint gets to ask questions.
Refill your glasses now, this is going to be rough.
West of the Cascades
@dmsilev: he’s asking them to move from prudence and courage to temperance and justice. Can’t get enough of that ol’ temperance.
jl
@RandyH: I disagree. The hosts telling the candidates to stop talking have been the best points I have heard tonight, most of the time.
Should just kick them all off the stage except Paul and Huntsman. No telling with Paul will veer into crazy, but he is not 100 percent crazy on foreign policy, and that is an improvement over most of them.
Perry is consistent on Israel, at least. But he can turn it into divide and conquer peasant mentality resentment within the time limit. Good. Perry is doing better tonight.
Oh, God, now for the HellZone Round, the vile SC Senatorial crooks get to butt in.
Makes me reflect, humbly, that the GOP primary field is actually not the most noxious and vile and rotten bunch in this blessed US of A.
David Koch
Jenifier Rubin, Goldberg, et. al. must have had a heart attack when Perry said he would cancel foreign aid to Israel.
JPL
Well that was a total waste of time. I hate to say it but Bachmann sounded intelligent about Pakistan and Santorum knew that it was Saudi Arabians that attacked us on 9/11.
Mitt wants to start a trade war with China and I guess he just lost the votes of the Walton family since their stores would close.
JGabriel
@jl:
Perry doesn’t collapse after the first hour.
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Chuck Butcher
Hmmm, CBS is staying with it here.
Michelle
Modernize Tri-care
errr, abolish Obamacare
dmsilev
My feed is randomly dropping out, so I’m only getting half a dozen words at a time.
Oddly, this isn’t impacting the coherence of the answers.
David Koch
@JPL:
Yet Man-on-Dog voted to invade Iraq in 2002.
jl
@PaulW:
“Whoever’s bright idea it was to have 108 debates”
I think they were trying to ape the energizing effect of the great Obama Hillary fight. But both Obama and Clinton can walk and chew gum at the same time, which probably accounts for the different effect.
Now Newton is completely incoherent on the US support for reliable strong men in the Middle East, in way that curiously parallels standard VSP US foreign policy boilerplate. More innovative thinking from Newt.
Roger Moore
@dmsilev:
No wonder he’s barely into the single digits in support. Sane is not the way to win the Republican primary.
Zzyzx
Seattle dropped their coverage to show “The Search for Sky”. Let’s spend a half hour explaining how we’re looking for a missing kid because that kind of thing gets ratings if it becomes popular.
Chuck Butcher
Mittens and Newt want CIA to bop Assad
hrrrm
David Koch
I so hope Perry gets the nomination, just so I can watch the Neo-Cons and Netanyahu freak out as Perry makes canceling foreign aid a tea party touchstone.
Chuck Butcher
I don’t think I can take Lindsey and Demented
that’s about it
JGabriel
JPL:
Present tense, not past. It’s still going on. If your local affiliate isn’t still carrying it, the feed continues on CBS’s website.
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Robert Waldmann
I’m a huge fan of Orwell and not of uh the other guy but it is Goebbels’s “big lie.”
Chuck Butcher
Crazy train is coming out of the station
jl
A voice more vile and mendacious slithers into the night. Please Michelle, Rick, speak. I can’t stand it.
Yep, Cain does have a tendency to treat people monstrously, as does the miserable little Xtian hypocrite.
Santorum invokes Geneva convention to justify torture and lawless indeterminate incarceration.
Paul speaks sense.
JPL
@JGabriel: Oh goodie.
RandyH
Perry, addressing Paul, shows that he doesn’t know the difference between a congressional Representative and a Senator. And he loves him some torture, too.
Nate Dawg
is the live feed skipping for everyone else
Chuck Butcher
Demented just finished me off
budget
jl
Perry is a expert at simplistic appeals to childish emotion, resentment and third rate horse opera cowboy pic stunts to roil up emotions.
Perry will do better in this debate, it plays to his strengths: childish appeals to fear, resentment, bitterness and revenge.
WTF, they should cut off the putrid Demented. Not a foreign policy question. Out with Demented! Kick him out of the debate.
dmsilev
@JGabriel:
Except that the hamster powering CBS’s server is starting to get tired. Horrible feed.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Zzyzx Not surprised after all more Americans were more into the Penn State Perv scandal than Herman Cain’s touchy feely foolishness.
RandyH
@dmsilev:
It’s also on National Journal’s website. You might get better response there.
Chuck Butcher
That’s just it for me…
Click
jl
Now Huntsman throws some crazy. He is a GOPper, after all.
jl
Newt likes fundament. That is clear, and makes sense.
RandyH
Newt: We should offer up our unemployment insurance recipients to private-sector employers as free slave labor to use and abuse as they please if they want to keep receiving their pittance of a welfare payment. That will, of course, create jobs.
RandyH
Huntsman seems to be doing well tonight, in my opinion.
JGabriel
DAMMIT! They cut off the debate just as Perry was about to trainwreck!
Bastards.
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mclaren
@jl:
How is this different from Barack Obama or most of the commenters on this website?
America is now deep into forever war, with most of the population chanting KILL! KILL! KILL! non-stop 24/7. Drones killing innocent wedding parties, Obama ordering the murder of U.S. citizens without even charging them with a crime, Army grunts gunning down Afghan civilians right and left…it’s all craziness all the time, all killing all the time. This is the only thing America seems to be able to do anymore — kill brown people.
Whether it’s American brown people getting gunned down in our War on Drugs or third world brown people getting gunned down and cluster-bombed and napalmed and shrapnel’d and drone-assassinated with Hellfire missiles, doesn’t seem to matter.
If you’re objecting to Newt Gingrich’s “crazy land” behavior where he advocates nothing but killing random people for no reason all the time…dude, you’re too late. That has been America’s official foreign policy for going on 10 years now. It was the drunk-driving C student’s foreign policy for 8 years, it’s been Obama’s foreign policy for 3 years, and it will be next president’s foreign policy for 4 years after the 2012 election.
KILL! KILL! KILL! is America’s new national anthem. Deal with it.
RandyH
Damn. They’re out of time. It’s over. Perry gets cut off in the middle of another unintelligible answer.
dmsilev
Hah! Per TPM, Perry is already ‘clarifying’ his statement about aid to Israel.
clayton
@jl:
So tired of this.
PAUL would tear down our entire government. You wonder why Perry went “oops?” It’s the Paul/Bennett/Reagan crap about abolishing everything.
Speaks sense my ass.
lamh35
@jl: Huntsman has long embraced Paul Ryan’s plan. Still wasn’t enough to stop the man-crush some libs have for Huntsman.
JGabriel
@dmsilev:
TPM said the same thing. I’m surprised, it was fine here — and I’m on lowly 3MB/768k DSL.
I suspect it wasn’t CBS’s servers that were the problem but the kind of provider factionalism that net neutrality is intended to prevent. Specifically, I think some providers may have intentionally provided higher or lower bandwidth to CBS’s video stream.
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jl
Over. Like a badly produced infomercial.
The moderators certainly earned their gazillion buckeroos tonight. Repetitious unorganized questions, looping back to topics (Pakistan, terrists, tortuer) in an undisciplined way, Goofy slimeball celebrity schmuck segment with the wormy Senators from SC, one of whom tries to derail the debate onto another topic.
Abrupt shortform, artificially rigid debate format tailored for meaningless buzswords and sound bites.
I do not remember one follow up for any of the doubtful statements or self contradictions of the sad sack contestants.
The goofball moderators listlessly put the affair out of its misery almost at random.
My impression is that of a really cheezy, low budget, mindless, desultory informercial for schlock products that will fall apart as soon as you try to use them.
Should make a bad impression on any right thinking open minded sane person.
So, overall, thumbs up! More like this. More embarrassing the better.
Nate Dawg
that was boring as all hell
JGabriel
I missed the first half. Did waterboarding get cheers from the audience?
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jl
@clayton: Paul speaks sense on this one topic. I said several times in comments above that one that Paul was crazy in many ways and you can never tell when he will veer into crazyland.
scav
CBS isn’t winning any good publicity off the Guard LiveBlog either. And I so love (and I don’t know why)
jl
Maybe one follow up, to Perry on whether he would do zero base foreign aid budgeting for Israel.
amk
@lamh35: hey, huntsman is not against teh gay and pot. That’s good enough for the ‘libruls’ to put him on a pedestal and lick his foot.
amk
WTF ? cbs put rethugs lindsey graham and jim demint as moderators for the rethugs’ debate tonight ???
Is there no level the corporate media whores will stoop to in serving their political masters ?
Fucking fifth columnists.
jl
Now the sideline interviews. Is Newt the Beaut’s manager talking right now? Emphasizing that his man is straightfoward! Slowly building support.
Now Perry the Fairy’s, Rick the Di… whatever, his manager, Zero Base, is talking up the way the guy set the tone.
Jeebus, the managers are lined up like cheerful customers at a January dept store return window, eager to make their ninety second pitch. Just when you thought you got to the bottom of the cheezy, you drop though a false bottom.
Interviewer seems proud that he is asking softballs.
Nate Dawg
Waterboarding got cheers and boos.
amk
Shamelessly stolen from another blog
mark hackperin tomorrow: “Bam will be hard-pressed to hold his own with such an accomplished and esteemed group of foreign policy experts that graced the stage in South Carolina. I could see any one of the contenders as Commander In Chief. This is good news for John McCain.”
Yoüf
When Santorum was a Senator, my favorite re-election bumper sticker (ever!) was simply: dumPRICK
Full stop.
Yutsano
@Nate Dawg: Lemme guess: cheers for the pro torturists and boos for the anti?
JGabriel
@Nate Dawg:
So happy to know that there are Republicans still willing to make their party look as barbaric as Rome in the time of the gladiators.
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Calouste
@Yoüf:
In the immortal words of Vivian from The Young Ones: “It’s Rick with a silent p.”
amk
@amk: Sure enough, hackperin’s ratings today.
http://thepage.time.com/2011/11/12/grading-the-mouths-of-the-south/
What a fucking tool.
Sly
@mclaren:
Barack Obama and most of the commenters on this website aren’t calling for war against Iran and Pakistan.
And I don’t see why you’re limiting yourself to post-2000 Presidencies. Was there something special about Bill Clinton lobbing cruise missiles into several countries that causes him to fall outside the “KILL! KILL! KILL!” category? You could certainly make the argument that every President since and including Washington was both a war criminal and feckless imperialist. Why don’t you? It’s meaninglessly hyperbolic enough.
Yutsano
@Sly: Yesbut that would ruin her PUMA cred. Hillary cannot fail, she can only be failed.
amk
@mclaren: Hey whiny troll. FO.
jl
@mclaren:
Missed your eruption. Sorry, my bad. I do not recall Obama being up there tonight, so no reason to drag his administration’s sorry record on civil rights and national security into this masterpiece of GOP fail. Or the indiscriminate drone killing spree.
If, when, as, the Obama tries to justify the worst aspects of his administration in the next election, I am sure people here will note down the problems with that.
Mike in NC
@amk:
Mark Halperin: the poor man’s Joe Scarborough. What an utter useless asshole.
Villago Delenda Est
@Sly:
This point, I’m afraid, is lost on leftside trolls such as mclaren.
I’m not enthusiastically happy with a lot of things about Obama, but realistically, it’s far better he’s in charge than anyone in the GOP field.
The last time Republicans were in the White House, we got an utterly illegal war in Iraq and a highly questionable one in Afghanistan.
Chuck Butcher
I couldn’t make it through, Demented budget fluffer and Huntsman’s Ryan licking just… well, I don’t use alcohol or other drugs.
Mike G
Herman Cain said god told him to run
He misheard. God said, “Cain is not able.”
John N
If there’s one thing we can all agree that Obama does well, it’s campaign for election. These clowns are absolutely fucked.
Calouste
@amk:
mclaren was the one who insisted that you could safely take a swim off the coast of Fukushima.
jl
One of the front posters needs to post something, anything. That GOP debate liveblog post up there too long, makes the blog look bad.
I know that looking bad is kind of this blog’s claim to fame, but there are limits, for criminy sakes.
amk
@jl: Brevity is the wit of soulless. Also. Too.
amk
@Calouste: Wish he/she/it would do so right now.
jurassicpork
I could’ve spared you all a lot of pain by telling you how it would play out: They’d pretend the State Dept. and UN never existed, threaten to bomb any country doesn’t that literally or figuratively fellate Israel and American private industry or ignore those countries who disagree with us until they do. That’s the foreign policy that worked for GWB. Now aren’t you all silly you made your eyes and ears bleed?
On personal matters: I hate to be a pain in the keister but Mrs. JP and I are in a bind and have little chance of making the rent this December and may be looking at living in our car for the holidays. We’re both actively looking for work but all the opportunities for me have been co-opted by temp agencies. Details are here and any help would be appreciated.
JGabriel
Well, at least one good thing has come out of European tranche of the first world economic crisis:
I always hated Berlusconi. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought of him as an Italian Murdoch, though with hookers instead of an Asian wife 3/8ths of a century younger than him.
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soonergrunt
@SiubhanDuinne: Even crazy people can have a sense of fashion, you know.
Does the hair cut frame her crazy eyes well?
amk
@JGabriel: Remember, the same crowd kept electing this corrupt skirt chaser repeatedly for 17 years. Kinda like the amurikan voters (and the fucking non-voters).
eemom
Now that the “debate” is over I would like to remind all who watched that you will NEVER get those two hours back. You’re welcome.
soonergrunt
@soonergrunt: ETA–just caught up to this part, so now I have to ask–
If Michele Bachmann’s hair style is becoming to her, crazy and all, perhaps we could get the stylist’s contact info for mclaren–kind of as an early Christmas present?
karen marie
@jurassicpork: Hey, join the club! I’m selling what little I have, packing myself and my dog and my cat into the car and driving 2800 miles to Arizona where my brother who’s been unemployed for five years has just been thrown out by his wife who hates me. Yay!
I’m going to have to sell the last of the jewelry I have left that wasn’t stolen in house breaks to pay for the gas, sleeping in the car for all but two nights out of six.
Consider yourself lucky to have a wife. Hope she stays.
amk
@eemom: Does cole give out time machines for our hours that his blog eaten ?
eemom
@jurassicpork:
maybe you should rattle your cup at the Greek citizenry this time. I’m sure they’ve all wised up and mended their ways since you told them to STFU and pay the price.
GregB
Mitt Romney is an anagram for Memory Tint.
How true.
gbear
…and Richard Adams comes up with the best summation of the debate tonight.
amk
@GregB:
Rotten Mi My nails it.
RossInDetroit
I blew off the whole thing and watched Harry Potter #8. Less evil, more entertainment.
Lojasmo
@jl:
Troll better, or STFU.
Chuck Butcher
A 60 second response pretty much guarantees sound-bite answers, but somebody could’ve tried…a little…maybe sorta…
Yutsano
@Chuck Butcher: Nope. Can’t ever risk pissing off the Teafolk. Must use standard approved answers or your presidentin’ dreams are ovah.
Random User Name (Internet Idiot)
@eemom:
That was a fucking shitty thing to say to someone who just told everyone he might be homeless in a few weeks.
David Koch
Rick Perry and Tea Party are right, Israel is one big Welfare-Queen sucking off our wallets!
Why should hard working white people struggle and sacrifice so young Israeli bucks can eat T-bone steaks?
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@eemom:
I will donate $20 in the name of eemom, because she and Ginni share a love of Black Greek culture.
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Gilles de Rais
@eemom: Holy shit, nobody deserves to be homeless for having an opinion. Even an idiotic one.
Your blasé taunting of a person in serious trouble is a bit much for me to stomach.
Chuck Butcher
@jurassicpork: @karen marie:
I hope it works out, on the edge here as well. A bit different edge since we essentially own the home and I have fairly good assets to sell – not so good in this market, though.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@Gilles de Rais:
eemom is every bit the good person that President Obama is. Never forget that.
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amk
@Uncle Clarence Thomas: Usual idiotry from you, I see.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@amk:
I’m going to say something really stupid and really impotent, so prepare yourself: “Usual idiotry from you, I see.”
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suzanne
@Gilles de Rais: That’s typical eemom. Were you around for the threads in which she rolled around in her hatred for fat people, calling them “disgusting fat fucks”? She’s kind of a big asshole.
amk
@Uncle Clarence Thomas: Facts need not be confirmed over and over again. But then an idjit like you wouldn’t know that, would you now ?
Yutsano
@suzanne: I’m sorry, but yeah. That was uncalled for.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@amk:
What I do know is that you heartily agree that my quote was really stupid and really impotent – and that I was quoting you.
Now why don’t you make yourself useful and top my contribution of $20 to jurassicpork? Demonstrate to everyone how it’s done. Show me up. Prove how stingy I am.
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amk
@Uncle Clarence Thomas: More idiotry.
suzanne
@Yutsano: So I am typing this from my husband’s new work iPad—WOOT! He got an educational grant for his classroom, so they got him an iPad and a bunch of relevant apps.
This thing is totally giving me a tech boner.
AxelFoley
@Reality Check:
FTFY, douchebag.
Yutsano
@suzanne: My kitteh is dreaming she’s chasing mice. She’s a bit drugged up and snoozing. She just swiped her paw. It was too damn cute.
All you need now is Regis, preferably shirtless. :)
suzanne
@Yutsano: I need a kitteh pic!
Love Regis. Not as much as I love James Spader or Robert Downey, Jr, but I do love me some Philbin. I hope to be that badass someday.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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@amk:
Quoting the same dumbass I quoted previously: “More idiotry.” That dumbass is also too unwilling to help out a fellow balloonbagger.
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Yutsano
@suzanne: Down for the count. Right now I’m hoping this is mostly post-surgery lethargy. That and drugs.
amk
@Uncle Clarence Thomas: some more idiotry.
Yutsano
@Yutsano: Her Mama. Also. Too.
(and FYWP.)
suzanne
@Yutsano: OHHHHHH cute. What a sweetie pie! She looks like our kitten, but nicer.
Mnemosyne
@karen marie:
You and your brother might want to consider continuing west (unless he has kids that are keeping him in Arizona or something) — the job market seems to be (slowly) recovering here in So Cal. I was seeing “help wanted” signs in stores long before the Christmas hiring would be expected to start.
eemom
You can all go fuck yourselves. Porky the Panhandler told my people — ALL of them — most of whom had LESS to do with the clusterfuck they’re stuck in than he does — to STFU and deal, so as far as I’m concerned, he can too.
Just my opinion.
eemom
@suzanne:
I called Chris Christie a disgusting fat fuck. Not “all fat people.”
Similarly, I call you a little smug-ass twerp consumed with self-adoration — though God only knows what you see in yourself. Not all 31 year olds.
David Koch
@eemom: Being Greek, did you naturally like butt sex or was it an acquired taste?
eemom
@David Koch:
bend over and I’ll show you.
Cain
@Mnemosyne:
I think Oregon is not bad, there is work to be had here…
Work yes, career, I don’t know.
I would try to re-train as a nurse, I hear there is a shortage, and it doesn’t seem like a job that will get outsourced.
Yutsano
@Cain:
My cousin is at OHSU doing just that as we type. Not bad for a guy who could have done pro baseball. :)
David Koch
@eemom: This is why Obama screwed up by letting Greeks openly serve in the military.
Mnemosyne
@Cain:
Nursing is a very good field right now. For some reason, most of the nurses I know right now are men, and straight men at that — go figure. Generally speaking, it sucks to be a hospital nurse (overworked and understaffed), but there are a lot of other options once you have your degree. My cousin-in-law was a traveling nurse for years and is now getting certified as a nurse practioner.
If you have any aptitude for chemistry, pharmacists are in very short supply in most of the country, but I think that takes longer to get your degree in than nursing and pharmacy assistants are a dime a dozen.
Mnemosyne
@Cain:
D’oh! I replied and recommended another healthcare field as well that I forgot gets caught in the WordPress Naughty Words Filter. FYWP. Suffice to say, nursing is still a good field, as is the one where you dispense medications.