Open Thread: Invisible DFHs!


(Tim Egan via GoComics.com)

Via Joe Coscarelli at NYMag‘s Daily Intel:

The NYPD deputy who was seen far and wide on video firing pepper spray not once, but twice at nonviolent Occupy Wall Street protesters feels “tortured” by the incidents, but “would do things the same way,” according to sources who have spoken with him. DNA Info reports that Anthony Bologna said, “I did not intend to spray the women,” and has a different version of events than what the video appears to show. According to the officer, who sources say believes he “acted with the best intentions,” there were three men on the ground attempting to grab the legs of other cops from underneath the orange netting that had protesters corralled. That’s not what it looks like; maybe he just has really bad aim.
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According to Bologna, his intended targets jumped up in the commotion and ran east. The second video of Bologna’s trigger-happy pepper-spraying is not accounted for, but did contribute to getting him relegated to desk duty.
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Bologna was lightly punished, but according to sources, hopes to be “back on the street.” Maybe then he could track down the three mysterious hoodlums who nearly ruined his career.

Someone who’s a middle-management veteran of the NYPD should be able to come up with a better explanation than a crumb-faced toddler who blames the broken cookie jar on “Mr. Boogie Monster and the bad bears”.






141 replies
  1. 1
    lamh34 says:

    Marco Rubio’s been all over news auditioning for VP with his BS “the French deserve ALL credit Libya” (no mention of our soldiers btw) so now he’s got out there and the other VP hopefuls and their surrogates are out to let him know not so fast…

    Rubio’s parents

    During his rise to political prominence, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) frequently repeated a compelling version of his family’s history that had special resonance in South Florida. He was the son of exiles, he told audiences, Cuban Americans forced off their beloved island after “a thug,” Fidel Castro, took power.

    But a review of documents — including naturalization papers and other official records — reveals that Rubio’s dramatic account of his family saga embellishes the facts. The documents show that Rubio’s parents came to the United States and were admitted for permanent residence more than 2½ years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959.

  2. 2
    b-psycho says:

    What a terrible liar. Mufucka was screaming with glee like the Joker, ffs!

  3. 3
    rikryah says:

    I love that cartoon

    BWA HA HA HA AH

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    rikryah says:

    Rubio is a grifting Anchor Baby.

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    Morzer says:

    Sounds like Bologna should really be renamed Baloney.

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    lamh34 says:

    Wow, in their efforts to downplay any role of the Obama admin in the Libya affair, guess who the GOP/Repub “patriots” also completely ignore… DA TROOPS!!

    In Republican statements on Qadhafi, no mention of the troops

  8. 8
    smelter rat says:

    The dog ate my homework.

  9. 9
    Morzer says:

    @smelter rat:

    It was probably more nutritious and better-tasting than Domino’s pizza.

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    srv says:

    NPR fires contributor to the World of Opera show when The Daily Caller finds out she attended OWS events.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cu.....46965.html

  11. 11
    jeffreyw says:

    In a blind taste test, I have determined that all five of these tacos are the best.

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    Mouse Tolliver says:

    If we could just manage to find the guy that actually killed Nicole Brown Simpson, we’ll find the three mysterious men Tony Baloney was trying to mace.

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    Wait, I saw that video where he sprayed three women in the face… he was trying to pepper spray three guys crawling on the ground?

    If he can’t tell ground level from face level all I can say is I hope he doesn’t kiss acquaintances when greeting them.

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    eemom says:

    @trollhattan:

    FUCK RFK, Jr., who lent his name and prestige to furthering the anti-vaccination fraud.

    NOTHING can atone for that.

    Not that he’s ever apologized.

    Asshole.

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    lamh34 says:

    If Rubio plans to be VP, he needs to try to be more co-ordinated with his #1:

    RT @PeterHambyCNN: Romney asked if Obama deserves some credit for Gadhafi killing. “Yes, yes, absolutely,” he says.
    http://twitter.com/#!/samstein.....6711427072

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    Tony J says:

    According to the officer, who sources say believes he “acted with the best intentions,” there were three men on the ground attempting to grab the legs of other cops from underneath the orange netting that had protesters corralled.

    “I see invisible people!”

    Don’t mock the man. With great power.. etc.

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    arguingwithsignposts says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted elsewhere, but the only graph you’ll need to see about Cain’s 999 plan, from the Atlantic, of all places.

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    Warmongerer says:

    Apparently, a US Predator Drone lit Ghaddafi’s convoy up with missiles before the rebels went in.

    That should put an end to any “the US had nothing to do with it” storylines.

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    Amanda in the South Bay says:

    Did anyone in the SF Bay Area just feel an earthquake? Friend in Berkeley just mentioned it via IM, but I”m in Cupertino and didn’t feel a thing.

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    slag says:

    @Tony J: With aim like that, just imagine what he could do with a gun.

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    kindness says:

    Woohoo. A 4.2 earthquake just rolled through. I’m in Oakland & it said it was centered in Berkeley.

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    opal says:

    Someone who’s a middle-management veteran of the NYPD should be able to come up with a better explanation than a crumb-faced toddler who blames the broken cookie jar on “Mr. Boogie Monster and the bad bears”

    Yes, he should. Absolutely.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    It’s really quite simply. The guy pepper sprayed young women. In his world view, harking back to the anti-war rallies and student unrest of the late 1960s… women shouldn’t be at protest rallies, shouldn’t be protesting anything and certainly shouldn’t be using bad language (as they would have eventually).

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    piratedan says:

    @kindness: possibly from shared disbelief that the US is getting to be on the right side of the Arab Spring movement

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    So sorry, but Rubio is a Cuban American.

    That don’t count for jack shit with most Latinos. The Cuban Americans left Cuba because Castro, that bastard, freed their peasants.

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    edmund dantes says:

    So wouldn’t the normal human response after accidentally pepper spraying two innocent people in the face be to try and get them help and not run away like the little chickenshit you actually are?

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    lamh34 says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    see my link above. Rubio’s been saying his parents were “exiles” from Castro’s regime, but in fact records show that his parents came to US 2 1/2 years before Castro overthrew the Cuban regime.

    Dude’s slimey scum, IMHO, and no better than Michael Steele or Herman Cain.

    Isn’t it interesting how Marco Rubio never seems to be asked on the record and on camera about the GOP an immigration!

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    RSA says:

    a different version of events than what the video appears to show

    I wonder what’s with the weasel words? What the video shows is what it shows, not what it appears to show.

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    Catsy says:

    @lamh34: Well, of course. Any Republican who mentions any role played by the US military in the Libya revolution invites the obvious follow-up thought: who was it who sent them there?

    Just another data point in the reams of evidence that Republicans don’t care about anything or anyone–including “the troops”–one whit more than is necessary to serve their own self-interest and agenda.

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @eemoo:

    FUCK RFK, Jr., who lent his name and prestige to furthering the anti-vaccination fraud. NOTHING can atone for that. Not that he’s ever apologized. Asshole.

    So let me get this straight – If some person does something bad, then that person can never atone for his or her mistake, and therefore we can all feel free to hate that person and call them an asshole? That’s the balloonbagger rule?
     
    I’m asking because I have a person such as this in mind.
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    dkos, “Post-Gaddafi Journalism”.

    Cute.

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    kindness says:

    @piratedan: Even a stopped clock (old style) is right twice a day. An electric digital….not so much. Current Republican party – definitely a bad digital.

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    El Cid says:

    I can’t keep laughing that the guy’s name is Tony Baloney.

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    wrb says:

    @PurpleGirl:

    The guy pepper sprayed young women. In his world view,

    They are tastier when seasoned

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    celtidragonchick says:

    Not that eemom gives a shit, but RFK Jrs contribution to the anti vaccination effort was well before there were credible, non pharma run studies that debunked the suspected link. At the time, there really did look like a causal link and thimerosal was suspected (a nasty substance that should never have been in vaccines to begin with).

    Studies that attacked the autism/vaccine link at the time had some credibility problems vis a vis industry links and conflicts of interest.

    Since then, the Lancet study in England that started this whole thing has been withdrawn and credible non pharma studies have (more or less*) successfully demonstrated there is no link between autism and vaccinations.

    *(as a determined believer in science, I accept the studies. I know some others like Jenny McCarthy do not, unfortunately)

    I do not see where RFK Jr has anything to apologize about. I was just as suspicious at the time, especially given the hideous record of drug recalls and side effects/deaths that was going around in the late 90’s.

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    Martin says:

    @El Cid: To his credit, if my parents named me Tony Baloney, I’d probably mace them too.

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    And multiple choice Mitt weighs in on Obama and the Libyan situation.

    Romney’s analysis of the Libya conflict has been nuanced. Back before the Arab Spring, Romney cited comments from Qaddafi praising Obama as evidence the president was weak on dictators. After operations against Qaddafi’s forces began in March, he announced his support for the intervention but later warned of “mission creep” and criticized President Obama for demanding the dictator’s ouster. “Now the president is saying we have to remove Qaddafi,” he said in New Hampshire in July. “Who’s going to own Libya if we get rid of the government there?”

    If and when this soulless Chameleon gets the GOP nomination, it is going to be impossible for him to maintain any sense of personal character in the brightly lit fishbowl of a POTUS campaign.

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo......hp?ref=fpa

    I doubt there has ever been, or at least in my lifetime, a more pathologically prolific flip flopper.

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    eemom says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    I am not articulating general rules for assholes. I am reacting to the evil unleashed upon innocent children by the anti-vaccine hysteria perpetrated by one particular asshole in the service of his own stupid ego.

    So fuck off, tedious troll. Even more than usual.

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    opal says:

    @eemom:

    Careful now, you’re stressing the reinforcements in UCT’s tweed jacket.

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    eemom says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    Not that you give a shit, but you’ve got that entirely ass-backwards.

    Responsible people don’t rely on junk science. The initial study was junk science on its face and thus never constituted any reliable proof of causation in the first place.

    The fact that subsequent studies “debunked” something of which there was never any reliable scientific evidence in the first place, is irrelevant to the culpabililty of those who launched a public hysteria campaign against something as essential as childhood vaccinations based ON NO RELIABLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE in the first place.

    Not that you give a shit.

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    Jay C says:

    @PurpleGirl:

    In his world view, harking back to the anti-war rallies and student unrest of the late 1960s… women shouldn’t be at protest rallies, shouldn’t be protesting anything and certainly shouldn’t be using bad language (as they would have eventually).

    Not that I have (thankfully) any personal experience with the situation, but I would imagine that after getting a faceful of pepper spray, the maintenance of a facade of ladylike composure and decorum just might not be an immediate priority….

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    Rick Massimo says:

    Someone who’s a middle-management veteran of the NYPD should be able to come up with a better explanation than a crumb-faced toddler who blames the broken cookie jar on “Mr. Boogie Monster and the bad bears”.

    I dunno; it’s pretty difficult to come up with something for straight-up assault caught on video.

    “It was actually cooling mist, but those bitches pretended it was pepper spray to make me look bad”? That’s the best I can do. Is it better?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Holy crap, I got a blister on my finger scrolling all the way down on that graph.

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    JGabriel says:

    @eemom:

    FUCK RFK, Jr., who lent his name and prestige to furthering the anti-vaccination fraud. NOTHING can atone for that.

    You realize you’re writing this on a blog run by someone who voted for George Bush. Twice?

    I don’t know what RFK, Jr.’s current stance is on vaccination. But if he were to apologize or admit he was wrong, I don’t think it would be that hard for him to atone for it. I mean, he wasn’t the only one who supported it. Furthermore, he’s not a scientist or a doctor, so people shouldn’t have been taking his advice.

    The only anti-vaccination person who may be beyond atonement is Andrew Wakefield. Anyone else who bought into his anti-vaccination study is a victim, not the enemy.

    ETA: I don’t know why, but every time I see Andrew Wakefield’s name, I think “Wasn’t he in Wham! UK or some other BritPop band?”

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    El Cid says:

    Keith Ellison continues to be an actual human being with actual dignity, even though he’s in Congress and a mere agent of the Al Shaqaidariaphate.

    Democratic Representative Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the US Congress, said in his official Twitter feed that “Libyans are safer now” after Kadhafi’s death and the “Arab world is breaking free.”
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    But “never celebrate death of anyone, even bad people,” he said.

  46. 46
    piratedan says:

    @General Stuck: shorter Mitt:

    I believe in everything you believe in all the way until I talk to the next voter.

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    eemom says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    and if you WERE, in fact, a “determined believer in science,” you would already know what I just explained.

    So I guess that makes you more of a credulous idiot than a determined believer.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    Herman Cain goes even shit-ass crazier:

    Fox News on his plan to create Third World sweatshops in American towns

    If you’ve learned to read the tea leaves of conservative media in America, and it’s your duty to do so if you care at all about politics, you will know that even with the puff references to union opposition this is a shockingly critical article on a Republican for Fox News.

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    eemom says:

    @JGabriel:

    Look, that is just not true.

    A public figure who puts his name and prestige behind a “cause” has a RESPONSIBILITY to know what the fuck he’s talking about first. And if he doesn’t know, to find out.

    Again, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are as high as unvaccinated children and the attendant resurgence of horrible childhood diseases.

    If RFK was going to take it upon himself to become the anti-vax poster child — having ZERO experience and knowledge in that field — he should first have consulted with some scientists who could have told him right off the bat that Wakefield’s study was shit.

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    eemom says:

    @JGabriel:

    ….and since he’s not a scientist or a doctor, he shouldn’t have been GIVING advice. Jesus Christ.

    What is the reason for bending over backwards to excuse this asshole?

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    Catsy says:

    @eemom: I dunno. What’s your reason for going out of your way to ignore every other issue on which he’s been right or done good in order to damn him for this one issue where he was egregiously wrong?

    More to the point, given the comment which originally set you off: exactly what does RFK, Jr’s past support for anti-vaccination nonsense have to do with whether or not he’s right about fracking? Or did you just twist your outrage-meter to eleventy upon seeing his name and not bother to click through to the article?

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    MikeJ says:

    @eemom: He shouldn’t be helping Riverkeeper keep pollutants out of the Hudson either by that criteria.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    testing

  54. 54
    Mark S. says:

    @AA+ Bonds:

    That actually was a good article. That couldn’t have been by a Fox employee.

    My girlfriend just learned her job’s going to get outsourced. Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck the fucking 1%

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    JGabriel says:

    @eemom:

    ….and since he’s not a scientist or a doctor, he shouldn’t have been GIVING advice.

    Right. That doesn’t put him beyond atonement, though. It’s not like RFK, Jr. was a genocidal monster. He believed a fraudulent scientific paper, and was scared enough by its conclusions that he felt the need to publicize them.

    He was wrong.

    The person responsible for the fraud was Andrew Wakefield, though, not RFK, Jr. That’s not bending over backwards to excuse RFK, it’s just common sense. And I’m with you that the anti-vaccination fraud has had, and will have, terrible consequences — I just think Wakefield is the asshole responsible for them.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Responsible people don’t rely on junk science. The initial study was junk science on its face and thus never constituted any reliable proof of causation in the first place.

    Really? The Lancet study was…wait for it…in the Lancet. That happens to be a reputable journal, last I checked. Did somebody give you a doctorate in biology or chemistry? I didn’t think so. My backgroud is geology, not immunology or toxicology. What the fuck is your science training? I generally rely on papers from reputable journals. The Lancet withdrew the paper, so it is not longer evidence to consider.

    The fact that subsequent studies “debunked” something of which there was never any reliable scientific evidence in the first place,

    Besides the Lancet, pharma companies have had a pretty bad track record of putting dangerous medicines on the marke

    Vioxx pulled in 2004…Bextra pulled in 2005….Cylert pulled in 2005 with confimed cases of liver failure…Baycol pulled in 2001 after 31 confirmed deaths

    And those are just the recent ones. Ever heard of Thalidomide babies? How about DES…banned in 1971 after female children started getting cancer.

    You want to blame parents for being touchy about drugs? Fuck off.

    Not that you give a shit.

    Not one bit, especially anything from you, dearie.

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    Arclite says:

    Sorry, but Bologna used excessive force in a non violent situation. He should be fired.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    It seems like my replies are all in moderation.

    anyway…
    @eemom:

    and if you WERE, in fact, a “determined believer in science,” you would already know what I just explained.
    So I guess that makes you more of a credulous idiot than a determined believer.

    Maybe you would be kind enough to tell us all where you got your immunology and toxicology training, bitch.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    It seems like my replies are all in moderation.

    anyway…
    @eemom:

    and if you WERE, in fact, a “determined believer in science,” you would already know what I just explained.
    So I guess that makes you more of a credulous idiot than a determined believer.

    Maybe you would be kind enough to tell us all where you got your immunology and toxicology training, bitch.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So Bologna feels like someone sprayed a toxic substance in his eyes for the gratuitous pleasure of inflicting pain on another human? Teh persecutions never end.

    First they came for the thug cops, but I was silent because I didn’t callously beat people.

    Then they came for the Derivatives mangers, but I was silent because I didn’t defraud people from thier homes.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Let’s try breaking this apart.

    Responsible people don’t rely on junk science. The initial study was junk science on its face and thus never constituted any reliable proof of causation in the first place.

    Really? The Lancet study was…wait for it…in the Lancet. That happens to be a reputable journal, last I checked. Did somebody give you a doctorate in biology or chemistry? I didn’t think so. My backgroud is geology. What the fuck is your science training? I generally rely on papers from reputable journals. The Lancet withdrew the paper, so it is not longer evidence to consider.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Let’s try breaking this apart.

    Responsible people don’t rely on junk science. The initial study was junk science on its face and thus never constituted any reliable proof of causation in the first place.

    Really? The Lancet study was…wait for it…in the Lancet. That happens to be a reputable journal, last I checked. Did somebody give you a doctorate in biology or chemistry? I didn’t think so. My backgroud is geology. What the fuck is your science training? I generally rely on papers from reputable journals. The Lancet withdrew the paper, so it is not longer evidence to consider.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Arclite:

    Sorry, but Bologna used excessive force in a non violent situation. He should be fired.

    I agree. It’s not his first go-around either, with respect to complaints about abuse of his position. Bologna should have been let go.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    The fact that subsequent studies “debunked” something of which there was never any reliable scientific evidence in the first place,

    Besides the Lancet, pharma companies have had a pretty bad track record of putting dangerous medicines on the marke

    Vioxx pulled in 2004…Bextra pulled in 2005….Cylert pulled in 2005 with confimed cases of liver failure…Baycol pulled in 2001 after 31 confirmed deaths

    And those are just the recent ones. Ever heard of Thalidomide babies? How about DES…banned in 1971 after female children started getting cancer.

    You want to blame parents for being touchy about drugs? Fuck off.

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    Martin says:

    @General Stuck:

    Romney’s John Cole’s analysis of the Libya conflict has been nuanced. Back before the Arab Spring, Romney Cole cited comments from Qaddafi praising Obama as evidence the president was weak on dictators. After operations against Qaddafi’s forces began in March, he announced his support for the intervention but later warned of “mission creep” and criticized President Obama for demanding the dictator’s ouster. “Now the president is saying we have to remove Qaddafi,” he said in New Hampshire on his blog in July. “Who’s going to own Libya if we get rid of the government there?”

    Ahem. Sorry about shivving the host.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    So, Qaddafi’s dead.

    The deserting coward and the Dark Lord still live.

    There is still great evil in the world.

  68. 68
    Dougerhead says:

    I knew this dude would turn out to be Italian soon as I read about it.

  69. 69
    Dougerhead says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    It was bullshit from the get go. Here is why: we’ve known autism didn’t start at 18 months for years. We knew it then.

    Also too, pharma could give a flying fuck. They don’t make money off vaccines and there’s a special fund for vaccine suits already.

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    Dougerhead says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    The original article did not assert much anyway. Even if the article had not been faked (which it was), Kennedy would have been wildly extrapolating from it.

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    NorthernMNer says:

    In the spirit of an open thread, I just wanted to thank all the fellow Balloon Juicers that helped me so much today with the passing of my dog. Even our vet agreed it was time.

    Still devastated, and I can still see him coming to the sliding door, looking in to let us know he is ready to come inside.

    But you all were the rays of sunshine I so needed today, and I cannot be more grateful.

    I don’t know when I will ever be able to have another dog; we already rescued a stray, malnourished cat that came to our door and didn’t leave this summer. But I will now be regularly donating to the ASPCA and Human Society in his honor.

    Again, thank you all so very much.

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    The Snarxist Formerly Known As Kryptik says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    ANd somehow, people are STILL trying to take it as justification for flat taxism and bullshit. One of the responses on that page literally went ‘Flip the graph over, you’ll see who REALLY PAYS TAXES IN THIS COUNTRY’. Apparently, the radical redistribution that the 999 plan justifies itself, since it just proves just how fucking downtrodden and taken advantage of the upper eschelons are.

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    Arclite says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The deserting coward and the Dark Lord still live.

    Yeah, but they aren’t brown, they speak English, and are rich so nothing will happen to them. Glenn hits the nail on the head.

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @eemom:

    I am not articulating general rules for assholes. I am reacting to the evil unleashed upon innocent children by the anti-vaccine hysteria perpetrated by one particular asshole in the service of his own stupid ego.

    That’s interesting, that you choose not to think or act logically in a principled way, but the person I am thinking of fits your description to a “T” if you simply substitute the word “terror” for the word “vaccine.” May we now all adopt your harsh assessment of this person since we have the same reaction as you?

    So fuck off, tedious troll. Even more than usual.

    If you would answer questions forthrightly and truthfully, without the childish personal vituperation and trollish incivility, people might dislike you only for your stupidity and lack of principles. Your answer, please?
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    jacy says:

    My degrees ARE in immunology and molecular biology, and there was never any question that the vaccine link to autism was total bullshit. I for one won’t forgive RFK Jr, because while he spent a lot of energy pushing total junk science, he’s not spent an ounce on a mea culpa. Children and immunocompromised people die when herd immunity is lost. He could do a lot of good by going out and being vocal about how totally wrong he was to jump on that particular bandwagon, because die-hard anti-vacciners still point to him as a legitimizing force behind their willful (and deadly) ignorance. Sorry, but having the science background I have, this is particular sore spot for me. Anti-vax nuts are literally responsible for unnecessary deaths.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    Bologna is clearly a psychopath. He’ll hurt people again, and maybe kill them. Then again, there’s probably no punishment on Earth that would prevent that in his case.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    How did this become a thread about vaccine truthers, what the fuck, anyone who endorses that shit is responsible for the death of children, can we at least make this about the oft-neglected story of how American cops are the same as other people and so some of them are violent evil assholes

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    piratedan says:

    with today’s news, the R’s are despondent. There are fewer and fewer despots to have secret arms sales to these days.

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    eemom says:

    @Catsy:

    as alluded to above, I kind of have a thing about people whose irresponsible assholery harms CHILDREN. Yeah, and it kind of does set my outrage meter to eleventy at the very sight of his name.

    @jacy:

    Thank you times a million.

    @ celtic

    Suck on it, asshole.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    Did somebody give you a doctorate in biology or chemistry? I didn’t think so. My backgroud is geology.

    LOL

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    Dougerhead says:

    @jacy:

    Thanks you. My sister is an autism researcher and that is exactly what she says as well.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    I do not see where RFK Jr has anything to apologize about.

    10 babies died in California last year because not enough people have been getting vaccinated for whooping cough.

    At a fucking minimum, he needs to publicly say, “I was fooled by bad studies,” but he’s not even willing to admit that much error.

  83. 83
    eemom says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    What part of

    fuck off, tedious troll

    did you not understand?

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    eemom says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    That he won’t apologize — much less, as Jacy says above, try to do some actual good by affirmatively debunking the fraud — demonstrates that it’s always been all about him and his fucking ego, and not about whatever cause he purports to espouse.

    Which is another reason I won’t fall all over myself gushing about his environmental “advocacy.”

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    Jay C says:

    @piratedan:

    with today’s news, the R’s are despondent. There are fewer and fewer despots to have secret arms sales to these days

    Naahh, they’ll just find some new crock of BS to fling at President Obama and his Administration – when it comes to foreign policy, the GOP (still, AFACBD, well-held in the clutches of the neocon clownshow left over from Dubya’s days) will always be able to find some new poutrage to whine and carp over. Obama Derangement Syndrome runs deep, and it doesn’t matter what Barry O does: the Republicans still don’t believe that anybody but One Of Themselves can “properly” conduct the nation’s affairs with the rest of the world. To the extent that they care about the rest of the world, that is…

    Oddly, Andrew Sullivan recently posted on this very subject: President Obama’s FP record, on an objective level, compares favorably with any number of Presidents’: you just wouldn;t guess it from the press…

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @eemom:

    What part of fuck off, tedious troll did you not understand?

    The “tedious troll” part does not apply to me. Now, what part of “answer the question, please” did you not understand? Tedious trolls are notorious for not answering questions, as everyone knows, as well as for the use of cursing, hate screech, and general discourtesy and incivility. Your answer to my previous question, please?
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    eemom says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    The “tedious troll” part does not apply to me.

    let’s put that to a vote, shall we?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Catsy:

    More to the point, given the comment which originally set you off: exactly what does RFK, Jr’s past support for anti-vaccination nonsense have to do with whether or not he’s right about fracking?

    Given that he’s already proven himself to be extremely gullible and someone who holds on to bad studies long after they’ve been discredited, I think everyone should be a little wary of his proclamations about fracking. He doesn’t exactly have a great track record when it comes to this stuff.

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @Mnemosyne:

    I do not see where __________ has anything to apologize about.

    10 babies died in __________ last year.

    I’m reminded of a different person who is responsible for dead babies in different geographical areas last year, without admitting he was wrong or even stopping the killing. You must think that person is a terrible, terrible human being.
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    Morzer says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    Sounds like Oinkle Clueless Troll-Ass is getting just a little hot under the collar.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @eemom:

    Honestly UCT is a pretty decent troll

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @eemom:

    let’s put that to a vote, shall we?

    Again avoiding answering my question. Why do you fear it so, tedious troll?

    Certainly, have your vote, but remember – 99.44 percent of all asswipes are ideologically opposed to me.
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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    ^ see, masterful troll of statisticians

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @Morzer:

    Sounds like Oinkle Clueless Troll-Ass is getting just a little hot under the collar.

    Because I’m not answering in kind with a drunken emoballoonbagger? You are a poor judge of reality, and an even poorer judge of your racism, which you are putting on display for everyone with your comment.
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    Morzer says:

    @AA+ Bonds:

    Well, he’s kept his clothes on so far, for which FSM be praised. On the other hand, he insists on acting like the world dropped its pubic hair in his personal Coke.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Do you pay somebody to beat the shit out of you every morning so that you be the charming person we love so well?

    Just wondering.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    Do you pay somebody to beat the shit out of you every morning so that you be the charming person we love so well?

    Just wondering.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @AA+ Bonds:

    Meh. Tedious troll is tedious. All he wants to talk about is pie.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    SHIT JUST GOT REAL

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    Uriel says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    The “tedious troll” part does not apply to me.

    LOLWUT?

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    Morzer says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    You really are displaying your tedium richly tonight, aren’t you, Clarrie? But of course, everyone else must be to blame for your predictable self-pitying squeaks of rage.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Morzer:

    ^ Ur-post demonstrating that UCT is a good troll

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    FSM BE PRAISED, MAN, IF THERE’S ONE THING ATHEISTS NEED IN THIS COUNTRY IT’S TO BE TAKEN LESS SERIOUSLY. FSM. BE. PRAISED!

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    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    @AA+ Bonds:

    ^ see, masterful troll of statisticians

    I do not understand your comment. Please speak proper English if you wish to correspond effectively with me, thanks.
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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    I really enjoy the linebreak/period thing, that is something I wish I’d started doing as soon as I saw it

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    @celtidragonchick:

    Teehee. I’d say you just got yourself totally punked by people other than eemom that actually something about the topic and agrees with eemom..

    In case

    You were just wondering

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    I think I just helped UCT win the thread

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    Morzer says:

    @AA+ Bonds:

    More of a source of amusement, really. Fun to poke when you want to hear a teabagger squeal, but too intellectually limited to provide much satisfaction.

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    AA+ Bonds says:

    @Morzer:

    You write like a fucking nerd, I’m not gonna lie, and if you think UCT is Tea Party then you may be beyond help

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @jacy:

    My degrees ARE in immunology and molecular biology, and there was never any question that the vaccine link to autism was total bullshit.

    Awesome. However, some of the rest of us have to rely on peer research and review to vet that kind of thing.

    Lets say that I try to publish something on eclogites and blueschists in the Franciscan assemblage and I say I found a mineral not usually associated with high pressure low temp metamorphism. You would have no clue how to question or even begin to refute that without having a significant amount of training in geology, including optical mineralogy. That is what peer review is supposed to catch.

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    eemom says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    Srsly? You want to keep digging?

    If I were you, I’d have opted for a simple “I’ve just had my ass handed to me, so maybe I’d better STFU now.”

    But by all means, keep trumpeting your ignorance, if that’s your thing.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @General Stuck:

    Not really. Thanks for your opinion, though.

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    Morzer says:

    @AA+ Bonds:

    You’ve got to work just a little harder, Bondie. I know those insults were cutting-edge back in the third grade, but you really need to find some new material.

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    @celtidragonchick:

    Not really. Thanks for your opinion, though.

    LOL, Anytime genius.

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    eemom says:

    @Morzer:

    to be fair, he did NOT say that your mother dresses you funny.

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    Morzer says:

    @eemom:

    Don’t give him new ideas. Right now he’s as slow on the draw as Rick Perry and as intellectually complex as Herman Cain.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    You really do amuse. Keep at it if you wish. I saw nothing to suggest whatever you are so enraged at is actually accurate, although the suggestion from mnenosyne that RFK Jr should at least acknowledge he used inaccurate information seems right to me.

    I just think you are a tendentious, hateful and sad person. No doubt, you think the same of me and a number of other people here. In any event, you make unsupported and wildly unrealistic assertions to the effect that untrained laypeople should be able to make informed decisions regarding the health of their children in the face of contradictory and even badly flawed ‘science’ from trained professionals who should know better.

    I say again:

    Fuck off. You want to hate somebody simply because it makes you feel morally superior. Have at it.

    If you want to hate somebody, confine it to the asshole who authored the Lancet study (his name has been mentioned quite a bit already).

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    Awesome. However, some of the rest of us have to rely on peer research and review to vet that kind of thing.

    The Lancet study was called into question almost immediately, and absolutely no reputable study was able to replicate those results in the following 15 years after its publication.

    So, really, you’re defending someone who read one inflammatory study (pun intended), freaked the fuck out, and refused to read a single one of the hundreds of debunking studies that came out later?

    Again, it’s not like this all happened last year. The Lancet study has been dubious for over a decade. It really is indefensible to claim that RFK Jr. couldn’t have withdrawn his claims since he wrote his article at least, what, 5 years ago, if not more?

    ETA: I’m not unsympathetic to the parents who fell for the bullshit 10 years ago. I am unsympathetic to the ones who still believe it despite the many, many studies since that completely debunked the link.

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    Raven (formerly stuckinred) says:

    I just spent the day a Ft Stewart meeting with officers, nco’s and enlisted personnel about their educational needs. These anti-immigration assholes need to spend some time with these folks before they spout off their bullshit. Really nice young people and plenty of folks with names that are not Smith.

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    jacy says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    Anybody with any scientific background can tell you how much faith to put in a single study published in a journal, whether peer-reviewed or not. It’s a fools errand, and doubly so when the reader of the study doesn’t have the background to evaluate what they’re reading. And this particular study was not only proved wrong, but was proved fraudulent.

    I think you inadvertently made my point that people who pick a study and build it into a giant platform from which to grandstand should not be surprised when that platform doesn’t have enough support for the weight of their ego.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @jacy:

    I am merely saying that eemom is going off the deep end wrt RFK Jr. He (and a lot of people) fell for a fraudulent study. Calling him evil is wretched excess. In any event, I agree with you in principle.

    I was suspicious, but I did not think the question was settled until several studies were able to duplicate results confirming that vaccinations were not causal with autism.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @Raven (formerly stuckinred):

    Ft Stewart?

    Wow. I’m sorry. Worst duty station I ever had.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    Have fun everybody. I had three glasses of wine with dinner and I am out of here for the night.

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    Raven (formerly stuckinred) says:

    @celtidragonchick: How long ago, it was my first trip but there are a lot of really nice buildings there. We paid $4.25 for lunch in the “mess hall” and it was quite good. Everyone from the 1st Bde commander to the pfc loader on the M84 were really engaging.

    eta, I realize that doesn’t have much to do with Ft Stewart itself. The 3rd museum curator was nutcase.

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    Judas Escargot says:

    @jacy:

    […]herd immunity[…]

    oh dear.

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    Jenny says:

    Osama bin Laden

    Muammar Gaddafi

    Ratko Mladic

    Whitey Bulger

    Anwar al-Awlaki

    Hosni Mubarak

    Ben Ali

    Dan Kapanke

    Jennifer Shilling

    Ilyas Kashmiri

    Terry Francona

    Abu Hafs al Shahri

    Atiyah Abd al Rahman

    Theo Epstein

    Fazul Abdullah Mohammed

    Goran Hadzic

    Anthony Wiener

    It’s been a bad year for the bad guys.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I am lovin’ the eemoo, President Stuck and Old Man Morzer troika in this thread.

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    jacy says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    No hard feelings. As I said, this is a touchy subject for me, and one of the few that make me really livid.

    I think the thing that bothers me most about what RFK Jr did, as Mnemonsyne alluded to, was that he preyed on the fears of desperate people for what seems like personal aggrandizement and then just skipped out, leaving a lot of damage in his wake. I find that reprehensible.

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    eemom says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    the words you purport to put in my mouth are not mine.

    Furthermore, though you are rather pathetically trying to pretend otherwise, you have totally about-faced from your original position on this topic — which has been exposed as utter cluelessness about scientific methodology, among other things.

    Thirdly, this whole thing started because you picked a fight with me over a comment that had nothing the fuck to do with you or anything you know anything about.

    And I’m a “tendentious, hateful and sad person”?

    Whatever.

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    eemom says:

    @celtidragonchick:

    I am out of here for the night.

    ah, so you are a chickenshit as well.

    Good to know.

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    jacy says:

    @eemom:

    Hey, it’s not a full day until someone tries to prove you wrong on the Interwebs and ends up proving you right. :)

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    Skippy the Wondermule says:

    Again, not to excuse the guy, but his parents named him Tony Baloney.

    Maybe they should be brought up on charges?

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    ah, so you are a chickenshit as well.
    Good to know.

    Touchy… :D

    the words you purport to put in my mouth are not mine.

    To wit:

    FUCK RFK, Jr., who lent his name and prestige to furthering the anti-vaccination fraud.
    NOTHING can atone for that.
    Not that he’s ever apologized.
    Asshole.

    I inferred you thouight he was evil. I think that is a safe bet given you say that “nothing can atone for that”.

    Furthermore, though you are rather pathetically trying to pretend otherwise, you have totally about-faced from your original position on this topic

    Which was?

    Let’s see. My primary argument was “RFK Jrs contribution to the anti vaccination effort was well before there were credible, non pharma run studies that debunked the suspected link.”

    My secondary argument was “I do not see where RFK Jr has anything to apologize about.”

    You made no real attempt to engage either argument and instead asserted you knew that the Lancet study was flawed at the time althought you lack any scientific ability to make that detemrination. Maybe you have magic! There is one person here tonight who did have that training, and he or she has not claimed that RFK Jr was evil or cannot somehow atone for whatever you are charging him with. Keep digging, sweetie. High school debating points do not work with me. With a little practice, you could do this at Red State. They claim they know AGW stufdies are all flawed as well, and they have the same non-knowledge you have. You simply got lucky (maybe after the fact…), because you cannot admit that you have no professional background to have known what you claim you knew. It took several years and quite a few million dollars and man hours to come to the conclusion you claim you knew right away! And you claim I know nothing about scientific method?!

    which has been exposed as utter cluelessness about scientific methodology, among other things.

    LOL

    Thirdly, this whole thing started because you picked a fight with me over a comment that had nothing the fuck to do with you or anything you know anything about.

    You sound like my 11 year old now.

    And I’m a “tendentious, hateful and sad person”?

    Are you? You screen persona rubs me that way. I give even odds that we could eat at the same table at a restaurant without knowing each other and get along just fine, but face toi face social interactions are quite different.

    By the by, mneomosyne was the only person here who really engaged with either argument of mine. Mnemosyne wins, imo, since I conceded his/her point.

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    eemom says:

    There is one person here tonight who did have that training, and he or she has not claimed that RFK Jr was evil or cannot somehow atone for whatever you are charging him with.

    from that person:

    I think the thing that bothers me most about what RFK Jr did, as Mnemonsyne alluded to, was that he preyed on the fears of desperate people for what seems like personal aggrandizement and then just skipped out, leaving a lot of damage in his wake. I find that reprehensible.

    Go drink some more wine, genius.

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    tkogrumpy says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas: I would not be here if there were even a whiff of something called balloon bagger rules.

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    eemom says:

    It took several years and quite a few million dollars and man hours to come to the conclusion you claim you knew right away! And you claim I know nothing about scientific method?!

    More from the One Person With That Training:

    Anybody with any scientific background can tell you how much faith to put in a single study published in a journal, whether peer-reviewed or not. It’s a fools errand, and doubly so when the reader of the study doesn’t have the background to evaluate what they’re reading.

    Yep. I claim you know nothing about the scientific method.

    Wanna continue making a fool of yourself, or are you done now?

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    boss bitch says:

    @El Cid:

    But “never celebrate death of anyone, even bad people,” he said.

    No one should be lecturing anyone on how they should express themselves. Would Ellison say this to the Libyans gathering outside of the WH after they heard the news? If I lived in a country where our leader terrorized us for decades and I learned that he died, I would be the happiest motherfucker in the world. I would cry, scream, laugh, and thank Allah that fucker is gone.

    People are celebrating freedom. Its not blood lust.

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    Jebediah says:

    @NorthernMNer:
    So sorry for your loss… didn’t see the earlier thread. Losing a beloved pet is really tough, and I totally understand why, right now, you are thinking you won’t get another dog for a while, what with the pain being so fresh. But there are so many lovely dogs in need of a loving home – I hope you will consider it as soon as you are able. There’s no “replacing” your beloved companion, but some dog out there would be very lucky indeed to be brought into your home.

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    Will says:

    Anyone that confused and blind should not be a cop. If that is actually the story he gave IA, he should have been let go on the spot.

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    celtidragonchick says:

    @eemom:

    I see you continue to have trouble answering my arguments.

    I think that wraps it up for you, dearie.

    You have no scientific degree, no published work in the field and no training. You are basing your condemnation of RFK Jr because you made a GUESS at the time that happened to be right simply by chance, since you cannot produce any evidence that you arrived at your opinion via research of any sort. The rest of had to wait and see if independent studies could duplicate each other. You just made a guess and then pat yourself on the back. while snarling at others who did the same thing but guessed on the other side of the debate

    To make this even better, you then use your guess as a means of actually condemning others and making moral judgments on their characters.

    You are nothing but a loud mouthed hack. A back biter who cannot produce any work of her own but instead scoffs at others and hopes she ends up on the right side after the dust settles. You are not worth being labled a buffoon, because you never even did anything to deserve that much. Even an incompetant scientist produces something. You just watch and make flippant remarks, and that makes you worthless.

    You need the wine more than I do…or should it be whine?

    You lost this one.

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