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The photo above, from Occupy Sydney, is from the Guardian‘s “Occupy Movement Goes Global” photo gallery. (As an otaku, my second favorite pic was the Occupy Tokyo poster… beautifully laid out… professionally printed… neatly mounted on foamcore… and trimmed with a tasteful small floral print in coordinating shades.) The Guardian also has a very comprehensive #OWS News blog, of course, which reports that “Organisers claim 950 protests [were] held in over 80 countries” yesterday. Think Progress has some great photos, too, as part of their dedicated ‘The 99% Movement’ coverage.
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In John’s thread last night, commentor Hilzoy generously shared a link to the Occupy the Boardroom website: “Life gets awfully lonely for those at the top. What can we do to let them know someone’s thinking of them? Maybe they need some new friends!”
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Commentor Brian S reports that “We occupied the hell out of Des Moines today, in a fiercely moderate way.”
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A number of commentors (and Charlie Pierce) reported that police in Gainsville, Florida arrested Bo Diddley’s son during Bo Diddley Plaza occupation. (Click the link for added irony!)
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Here in Massachusetts, Governor Deval Patrick decided to ‘drop in‘ on the Occupy Boston encampment. Which must’ve been a severe disappointment to Mayor Menino, who attempted to blame Tuesday’s excessive-force fiasco on “outsiders” from “another country”. Ah, the Outside Agitators of DFH legend!… it’s enough to bring a tear to an old hippie’s eye (or maybe it was just the pepper spray).
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Any other stories, links, blogs, reports to share?
Early Morning Open Thread: Occupy the World
Howie reminded me earlier today of the underlying threats from the Masters of the Universe to pack up their riches and leave Wall Street if they weren’t given the deference they demanded. After today you have to wonder where it is they think they are going to go? — Digby (Hullabaloo)
eric
“you have to wonder where it is they think they are going to go?”
China?
Bill E Pilgrim
Well, where they think they’re going to go is on record, again via Digby:
(..blah blah blah, unions, teachers, candlestick makers, general right wing foaming at the mouth, etc….snip…)
Leaving aside the most obvious ways to ridicule this nonsensical rant which has been done to death already, here’s a new wrinkle: an article I saw in this morning’s NYT about traders on wall street who lost their jobs and are driving cabs.
Now not to disparage the three people I read about driving cabs when they were used to making much more on Wall Street, good for them. It sounds like some of them are doing it mainly as a way they hope to snag a finance gig again by taking fares in the financial districts and chatting up their captive customers (but it’s not working, according to the article and rarely does, none of which surprises me. The first thing employment agencies will tell people is that if you’re already working, you stand a far better chance; if you’re unemployed, you can almost forget it. And if you’re driving a cab when you used to be a trader, I would imagine that falls into the “unemployed/forget about it” category also) but as far as having the industriousness to downshift (as it were) and make a living and swallowing your pride and etc, good for you.
The point though is that the average cabbie in NYC makes a salary in the high 40s. So how’s that “we’ll only be making $85,000 a year” thing working out for you, author of that rant?
They really don’t have a clue. For one thing, the top 1% couldn’t possibly personally take enough jobs away by being hired so as to make a difference to the 99%, just by simple mathematics. And of course when the 99% can barely find jobs themselves, as this post points out, who the hell are they kidding?
The one way that they can take away jobs is by having so much money funneled into their pockets and the other tiny minority that comprise the 1% that there’s less to go toward hiring lower earning workers. That’s the place where the tiny minority can have a discernible effect on jobs, and that’s exactly what everyone is protesting.
They really have no clue.
Shalimar
Spending 15 hours a day measuring each other’s dicks doesn’t count as working hard in the real world.
Amir Khalid
Damn it. Why won’t FYWP post my comment?
Amir Khalid
I was trying to say that one of Krugman’s commenters came up with a word for “rule by spoiled brats”: kvetchigarchy.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Amir Khalid: I thought that was the capital of Siberia.
arguingwithsignposts
@Bill E Pilgrim:
This explains how the Mustache of Understanding is able to find so much wisdom in the back seats of a taxis.
Amir Khalid
“The kvetchigarch threatened to go abroad and take all his money with him if ordinary people did not show him enough respect.”
Hmm. I like the word.
Bill E Pilgrim
@arguingwithsignposts: Oh man when that guy is reduced to spouting his incoherent analysis only to his taxi fares, that will be the day I think there’s real justice in this world.
“So I was making an illegal U-turn the other day on Broadway, and I thought, wait— “You turn!” Get it? It’s your turn! Then I thought about how I’m driving a cab, and I suddenly realized, cab? Cab…. Calloway! So now I call them “Calloways” instead of cabs, and I then it struck me: “I’m driving a Calloway.. and it’s my turn! See?”
Fine, just drive the car you lunatic, whatever.
It would all sort of make sense, that way.
Robert Waldmann
Ah yes memories and tear gas. As I type a not totally spent tear gas canister which I picked up yesterday in Rome is bringing tears to my eyes.
I’m not sure if it deserves to be called a canister — it is roughly cylindrical with diameter one inch and height half an inch. Now back in my day we had real tear gas canisters.
I don’t blame the Caribinieri for using tear gas. On an otherwise nice day of worldwide protests the Occupy Rome protest was infiltrated by a few thousand of the guys who like to smash and burn things. I was late and missed most of the violence, but there is some satisfying video of normal decent protesters booing them.
Stuckinred
Is the tear gas CS?
freelancer (iPhone)
Oh goddamnit guys, go back to the last thread to catch my input. Heart you all, but I already typed it out earlier and I’m feeling lazy. Life’s okay but I miss my BJ peeps. Hope everyone is doing okay tonight,
-Nick
harlana
well, apparently the Brits have leaders that are just as fucking stupid as ours
HERE IS A NEWS FLASH:
Cutting public sector jobs by the thousands, adds substantially to the unemployment rolls.
WHO KNEW???
harlana
@freelancer (iPhone): welcome back!
harlana
I’ll tell you how this is going down, I was on the phone with my sister yesterday and she got on the internets to check into OWS. She said “I want to be there!” She wants to be involved.
I won’t go into how phenomenal this is, but suffice to say this is my SISTER who is basically EVERYWOMAN. She’s not some mentally tortured person who thinks too much and has grieved helplessly over the last several years over what’s happened to her country. She was too busy raising a kid and trying to make ends meet.
And she is fed up and starting to talk like I used to talk! It’s a wonderment. I feel like, at the moment I gave up, others took up the banner for me. Thank God, cuz I had nothing left. And my sister is one of them, no less.
I’m so hopeful. If nothing else, we will not go down without a fight. Thank God, we have not let the Powers grind us into the dust, without so much as a whimper from our side.
freelancer (iPhone)
@harlana:
Hey, thanks. Life’s been super busy but I just can’t quit Balloon Juice. You know how it is. (black and yellow black and yellow black and…)
arguingwithsignposts
@harlana:
Not just the brits. The Spaniards, the Portugese, the Greeks, etc., etc.
The problem, really, is that none of the cuts in public sector jobs come from the political class – the economists, cabinet members, etc.
Bill E Pilgrim
Watching (I know, I know) David Brooks and the sad artifact of what was once Robert Kennedy’s campaign manager on the Newshour, David Brooks perfectly sums up US politics.
He says it all with a grin, and thinks it’s all just good fun. I don’t know whether it’s the celebration of the almost entirely personality-driven Presidential race with policy as an afterthought, or the fact that he admits that he’s in favor of a plan that would raise taxes on the middle class by 32 percent that’s more appalling, but then you often get multiple choice with Brooks.
harlana
The Voice of the Right, Listen Up! The “silent majority” now speaks, all over the globe!
I have heard you for years and years, brainwash and indoctrinate the people to hate their fellow man and worship greed.
It sucks to be you, because, apparently, your voice is now irrelevant. It is drowned out by the voice of the people!
If you wish to save yourself, you had best pay attention.
But I don’t want you to be saved. I’m sorry, I don’t want you to be saved. I want you to experience what you have wrought. I want you to LEARN!
arguingwithsignposts
@Bill E Pilgrim: With Brooks, I usually just go with All of the Above.
harlana
@arguingwithsignposts: Indeed, I don’t really know much what’s going on with world economies, but I am familiar with Britain. I confess to not knowing much outside of what’s going on in my own country. What’s up with Hong Kong, I wonder? Can someone fill me in? Is it because it’s the only place the Chinese can speak out? I hate to sound so dumb, but I guess I am.
arguingwithsignposts
@harlana: What’s really the kicker about the U.K./U.S. synchronicity is that the Brits went through AusterityNow! beginning a while ago, and it hasn’t worked, and yet still our politicians pimp that method. You’d think we’d learn from our cousins’ mistakes. Sadly, no.
Stuckinred
Forget it, it’s Chinatown.
harlana
@freelancer (iPhone): It’s the only blog I still visit (I admit to having been a blogwhore at one time) besides brief visits to Hullaballoo.
arguingwithsignposts
Oh, here’s a link: Woody Guthrie’s granddaughter at a Vermont Occupy event.
SiubhanDuinne
@arguingwithsignposts:
Woody’s g/d, Arlo’s daughter — that’s some nice American music DNA there.
Thanks for the video.
Oh, and since it’s you and this is an open thread, how is the lovely Lady Smudge? I don’t recall seeing any pictures of her for quite a while . . .
/strong hint
harlana
Lady Gaga needs to get her butt out there. More celebs pls, stop being such a bunch of weenies.
I can’t believe what I just said, actually. Librul Latte-Sipping, Arugula-Eating Celebs would only hurt the cause. I guess they know it’s best to keep mum for the most part.
harlana
Cool, I didn’t know Chris Hayes’ show was on Sunday mornings, too!
Oh, and Sam Seder! I love Sam Seder!
I used to listen to him on the way to my radiation app’ts (which was 5 days a week) and I miss him.
arguingwithsignposts
@harlana:
I’m sort of conflicted about that sentiment. On the one hand, it’s good to have support of people who have that platform. OTOH, that can turn the focus of the media away from the actual protesters and onto the “really important people” who show up.
beltane
Speaking of douchebags and cab drivers, I do long for the day when Tom Friedman has to drive a cab for a living. That would be justice. I can easily picture him as a cab driver come to think of it.
arguingwithsignposts
I was thinking it would be cool if someone came up with a shirt that said “99ers”
harlana
@arguingwithsignposts: I agree, it’s about the people and let’s keep the focus there. I think they can lend their support verbally and financially and perhaps it is best to leave it there.
harlana
@beltane: He’s better watch out for the New New World Order. And he’d better be loving driving that cab because it’s a better alternative than the guillotine.
;)
Now that I think of it, wouldn’t that be the ultimate justice for all these douchebags, that they have to work menial jobs for below living wage!
But I’d pity anyone who ends up in Friedman’s cab since they’d be stuck there, forced to listen to his bullshit.
harlana
@Shalimar:
this just bears repeating! hilarious but oh so true.
JPL
@arguingwithsignposts: The audience was great and even this old soul had to sing along.
harlana
@Bill E Pilgrim: Honestly, who is trying to take their fucking jobs, anyway? People are demanding equality and fairness within the system, they’re not out to take these people’s jobs! Touchy, delicate, sensitive little things they are. Oh just crumple onto the fainting couch, clutch your pearls and shut the fuck up! This is NOT your moment. And NO you don’t get to determine how this will end, you don’t, FOR ONCE get the security of knowing how your life will turn out after all.
harlana
@Bill E Pilgrim: above rant was not directed at you but the Wall Street Whiners referenced in the digby piece.
Bill E Pilgrim
@harlana: Was understood ;)
Not being a touchy Wall Streeter myself.
I liked the way it got longer, I’m sort of waiting to see if there’s more.
arguingwithsignposts
@harlana:
I’d say I’m for taking out some of their jobs, because they produce nothing of value except income for themselves. Put them to work on productive things.
lamh32
Being a not Massachusetts-ite(?)I like Deval Patrick. He reminds me a lot of POTUS and IDK, I just like him. I am glad that the OWS protestors were respectable towards him. I don’t expect that the same reception would have gone down if POTUS had even stopeed near a tea party event.
harlana
@Bill E Pilgrim: also very funny, how can “overqualified” people get the kind of jobs the 99% work? I’m in recruiting and it’s really tough out there and we all know how hard it is to find a job when you’re considered “overqualified” for a position. They’re lucky to be driving cabs, times are tough and people with college degrees and years of experience are being passed over for low level jobs – I am NOT worried about some trader or Wall Street baron taking my job, that’s for sure.
Samara Morgan
i wonder if Arab Spring/owie style protests will spread to China.
does their spectacular GNP make the chinese oligarchs immune?
or are there no chinese oligarchs in the sense of western free market oligarchs?
or does the artificial depression of chinese currency make it impossible for the Wall Street Masters of the Universe to work their freemarket fuckery there?
harlana
@Bill E Pilgrim: omg, i keep reading pieces of that article, that email, and it’s just astonishing how out of touch this person is.
How many of the 99% gets to retire at 50 with a pension? Those fortunate enough to be in a union, I imagine, but that’s a small number. I live in the south, where unions are anathema. They killed people here who tried to revolt and scared them into submission.
I don’t know of anybody who expects to retire at 50! And 99% of the people I know expect to work until they can no longer ambulate, if they are fortunate enough to still have a job by that time. Good God, what world is this person living in??
And, that said, is it any wonder unions, the last bastion for any shred of dignity for the working person, are being attacked, en masse?
arguingwithsignposts
Speaking of Friedmanesque bobblespeak, the kicker to today’s column:
Someone want to explain that to me?
harlana
sorry for the all caps here and there, when i go back to edit, there is no bold function so i use ALL CAPS for emphasis
harlana
They can go to Dubai and rot. I’ll even help them pack.
Bill E Pilgrim
@arguingwithsignposts: Not to mention that the title was “A Progressive in the Age of Austerity”, and the person he’s referring to is Rahm Emanuel. I almost gagged.
I liked this commenter’s response the best:
I don’t think Rahm Emanuel is the most evil person alive as some do but no one in the world thinks of him as a “progressive”, Thomas Friedman mixing up a fresh batch of metaphors (muscle, minus fat, = tools!) notwithstanding.
woodyNYC
@lamh32: I feel the same way. Every once in a while I hear Gov. Patrick on AMC ( public radio for upstate NY and the Berkshires) and I think “What a reasonable-sounding, intelligent guy” and then later I hear that lout Cuomo sending spittle all over the airwaves and I think it would be nice to live in MA.
Bill E Pilgrim
@harlana: You can just type in the tags when you edit, just copy what you see when you use the bold tag when first writing a post. You can use b instead of strong if you want. Not that I mind the caps but just if that helps.
JPL
@Bill E Pilgrim: If Jon Huntsmen is a moderate then Rahm is progressive. That darn window keeps moving.
Samara Morgan
i liek how you guys turned on a dime from sneering at the owies to rabid supporters baying for wallstreet blood.
that is the beauty of the anonymous paradigm.
but beware….when the public transport journey of shared goals ends, you might end up like the copts.
:)
James
@harlana:
You are the victim of rightspeak. The technique, which a lot of people fall for, is to pick out *the* most egregious example of whatever offends them, and make everyone believe that it is the norm. (Andrew Sullivan falls for this kind of thing all the time.) It is not.
Very few people, union or otherwise, can retire at 50 with a livable pension. *Some* public safety plans — police officers and firefighters — can retire after 20 – 25 years on the job. The idea there is that it is a very hard job and physically demanding. In one’s 50’s, one can’t run, climb ladders, chase bad guys, that kind of physically demanding work on the job. That’s the theory behind that. Just like a basketball player or a football player’s career has a limited lifespan, so too with a public safety career. Attractive pensions are also a way to attract qualified people to work a difficult, dangerous job at relatively low pay (compared to football players and Wall Street bankers.)
In reality, the vast, vast majority of union workers, particularly in the public sector, receive a modest pension after a lifetime of work. The percent of salary they receive is dependent on age and years of service: At 55, say, with 20 years of service, they might receive 5% of their salary; at 62 with 30 years of service, they might receive 80% of their salary.
An additional kicker for public service retirees: if they spent their entire career in public service they are not eligible for Social Security. If they worked enough quarters in private sector to qualify for Social Security and then went into public service as a second career, their Social Security benefits are reduced by 2/3s. That penalty doesn’t exist in the private sector. If one worked at a private sector job, retires and gets a defined benefit pension or a defined contribution pension, one is also eligible for full social security benefits. (Not that they are huge — about $1500 per month.)
harlana
@James: oh i was just guessing they are better off than the average worker, but i don’t have much to go on as there are no unions here and my father was blackballed for just talking to a labor lawyer back in the 60’s. We just all assume union members must be better off than we are because we don’t know any better and, generally, SC workers are fucked six ways to Sunday – have no rights whatsoever and no redress for being fired, for any reason.
arguingwithsignposts
@James:
an additional kicker is that they usually pay into the system, and that is deducted from their pay. So a large chunk of that money is their money, not just gov’t free money.
harlana
@James:
I did not know this!
color me wrong on many things, but i don’t spew rw talking points and am just putting my perceptions out here hoping someone will inform me better
i have little energy for research these days (with the exception of my current job), as i’m sure is evident to many!
Bill E Pilgrim
@Samara Morgan: I never sneered at OWS.
That Ross Douthat article today about Copts was utterly wrong too by the way. The Copts are being victimized by the Egyptian Army, just like the reformers are. In case you’re trying to make some parallel based on Muslim against Christian fantasies from Ross’s paranoid delusions.
arguingwithsignposts
@harlana: Yes. When you are entered into a public service pension system, they use the money that would have went to social security to fund the retirement system, which is one of the things that should be emphasized more when people talk about “pension reform” and public pensions.
arguingwithsignposts
@Bill E Pilgrim: all toko_loco has is a hammer, and we’re all nails.
forget it Bill E., it’s m_ctown
JPL
@harlana: South Carolina and Georgia are right to work states. The unemployment in those states are above the national average so it appears that businesses aren’t flocking to those states. Gov. Deal likes to preach that it’s all the president’s fault without mentioning our test scores are always near the bottom.
What I find frustrating is the rights ability to co-opt phrases..i.e. right to work should be titled right to work for pennies and no benefits. It’s not as catchy but it accurately describes the situation.
James
@harlana:
It is true that union workers are generally better off than non-union workers; i.e., better hourly wages, better benefits (at least they GET a pension and health insurance). That is the added value of unions. That’s the essence of collective bargaining — a group getting together to bargain with management for better wages and benefits. That’s what unions *do.* So yeah, they are generally “better off” but they mostly don’t retire at age 50 with full pensions or anything like that.
No, of course you don’t knowingly spew rightwing talking points. I didn’t mean to imply that you were doing this. My aim was just to educate, not accuse. Most people don’t really know much about the details of union pensions and public service pensions — why would they? — and so they are suseptible to the outrageous claims from the right.
Bill E Pilgrim
@arguingwithsignposts: Ah. I don’t really know what any of that means, having not been here a lot for a year or so. But thanks!
kay
@arguingwithsignposts:
Kids love This Land is Your Land.
Conservatives hate it but kids love it. We “do parades” in small towns here locally, and we play (recorded) music. There’s a whole patriotic playlist (this is a conservative county), but that song is the one kids respond to. Folk music is simple and fun to sing, so that’s probably part of it, but it’s really funny to watch them light up and start singing when they hear it.
Their reaction is so predictable and consistent I now look for it, and it’s always there.
harlana
@James: i’m happy to be eddicated! also don’t want to unknowingly reinforce any rw bs. thank you! :)
harlana
@JPL: agreed, “right to work” is such a bullshit euphemism, it’s actually Right to Fire for Any Reason!
that said, my sister has worked for the gubmint on and off for many years, and it doesn’t quite work that way in her world – but in the private sector, you can get hosed pretty bad here
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
Not if we cheat.
Maude
@harlana:
Aren’t most celebs part of the 1%?
Bill Clinton likes Lady Gaga.
His concert was last night, bad timing.
Edit, spell fail
harlana
@JPL: also, too, Haley can stuff it; it’s so funny, my friend’s mom voted for Sheheen, the Dem candidate, only b/c Haley is really a “mooslim” — i think it’s hilarious that most of the people who voted for her were probably so ill-informed they did not know this, or it probably would have become more of an issue
ok, i know she’s not really a mooslim, but having been born to Sikh parents and worshipping as a Sikh in the past, would be enough to do you in in SC, you’d think!
i think the real motivation being that, like Palin and Bachmann, she’s got a purdy mowth.
cathyx
I have to admit that when I first heard the term right to work state, I had no idea what that meant. I thought it meant they couldn’t discriminate against people when hiring. So it actually means right to work for pennies on the dollar.
harlana
@Maude: I just, I mean, isn’t Clinton a little old for Gaga? Is it just me?
JPL
@cathyx: A business owner can fire without cause. Last winter we had quite a storm and people could not get to work safely. There were several reports of those not being able to get to work, being fired. It’s that simple.
harlana
@cathyx: yes, it’s a euphemism for the right of employers to abuse the workforce, basically
i suppose “abuse” is a pretty strong term, but i can say from personal experience that i still have a little PTSD from trying to survive in the private sector for the last several years, it got really ugly these last few years
harlana
@JPL: if it’s the same storm (which was wicked for the south), i had to dig my car out from underneath about a foot of snow with ice packed underneath because my boss at the time told us to come in on unsafe roads coated with thick ice. initially, he said, go by the school closings. Of course, naturally, ALL the schools were closed, but he changed his mind at the last minute and told us to come in anyway! In the end, he never showed up for work himself because he couldn’t get his own widdle car out of the driveway.
Maude
@harlana:
You opened the door so I’ll walk through it.
Wasn’t Clinton a little old for Monica?
He’s always looking at the women.
lamh32
@Samara Morgan:
I’ve never sneered at OWS. I’m cynical by nature, so I take any and all things with “a grain of salt” including politics.
Besides, I’m just interested in more things other than the protest.
harlana
@Maude: oh yeh, i guess i’m just thinking about myself being an old fart and such, and he’s a good bit older than me. it’s a tad creepy, but that’s our Bill!
JPL
@harlana: It was the storm that left cars and trucks stuck on the interstates around Atlanta for days. Your situation shows what it is like to work in a right to work state.
Cat Lady
@kay:
I saw Arlo a month ago at the Guthrie Center in Great Barrington, and he led us all in a sing-along of This Land is Your Land. It was amazing. He told a funny story about when he was little kid first going to school and everyone in the class but him knew that song and he went home very angry because he really didn’t know who his Dad was, so to compensate Woody taught Arlo all of the other verses so the next time he could keep singing. It was a pretty great night, and he and his family have planned a centennial birthday celebration for Woody that apparently will be fortuitously timely.
WereBear
I came “up North” for the freedom.
I’ll never forget visiting Florida to pick up some of the stuff I left behind with my Brooklyn husband; and a local engaged him in conversation, astonished that “your boss let you wear your hair that long.” Local was doubly astonished that there was an entire population who thought it was not a boss’s business how employees did their hair.
I always said the South were so sorry the slaves were freed they decided an intimidated workforce was the next best thing.
Steeplejack
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Kvetchograd. Common mistake.
Jay in Oregon
Here’s an “I am the 1%” story I can get behind:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/10/13/superhero-occupy-wall-street/
Davis X. Machina
Try 60%.
The formula in these parts is 2% of the average of your last three years’ salary for each year of creditable service, less 6.5% for every year you retire early (before 62).
No one — no one — goes out at age 60. That’s a 13% haircut right there. If you went out at age 50 you’d basically lose your pension.
Roy G.
@Bill E. Pilgrim, the rant about phony trickle down of ‘leaving a 35% tip’ reminds me of a true story reported a few years ago in SF Magazine: after the City of San Francisco passed the bill requiring restaurants to (gasp) provide health insurance for its employees, a waiter at a high-end restaurant received a $10 tip on a $300 bill, along with a nasty self-righteous note about how the diner was not going to subsidize the waiter’s health insurance!
Note that the Masters of the Universe predicted the downfall of restaurants in SF after said bill was passed, yet, today the restaurant scene in SF thrives, AND restaurant workers have health insurance.
celtidragonchick
Occupy Greensboro yesterday was awesome. Just got back from taking donuts and coffee this morning.
Chris T.
Credit Crunch
(around 5:40 mark … there are some glitches in this version of the video, but I didn’t spend the time to find a glitchless version)
Shadow's Mom
OccupySF had a good turnout. I’d estimate 2000-3000 marched the route from the 101 Market Street encampment, past Yerba Buena Park, up along Sutter (through the financial and high end shopping districts), then down Powell past Union Square and up Market Street to Civic Center Plaza where the steps of City Hall were ‘occupied.’
Picture stream here: http://goo.gl/2AsgC
Some great signs, and one thing of note is that every sign I saw was correctly spelled.
singfoom
@Samara Morgan: Some of us here have been supportive from the very beginning and defended them vociferously, MC. You’d do better to avoid generalizations about the behavior or positions of people here at BJ.
Cheers!
Jay in Oregon
@singfoom:
If she does that then they can revoke her forum troll credentials.
Valenciennes
What would be really fantastic is if we could get Paulson or some other unrepentant mugger on-camera or on tape boasting about how the one-percenters are bigger and better than any of those plebs in the 99%. That would ‘go viral like a motherfucker,’ in the general parlance of kids these days.
Like an O’Keefe sting, except not made up.