After an unlucky 1-0 loss at Stoke City and a 4-0 thumping at Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool has now won two on the trot, so I’m a happy camper foootball-wise.
So how are things in the helmet&shoulder-pads code?
@rikyrah: I haven’t been watching the games, just following the scores, but it looks like Bears-Panthers is entertaining at least.
@Amir Khalid: I watched Aston Villa finally win one they were supposed to rather than settle for a draw, so I’m happy on that front. I’m fairly sure I’d be happy with a draw in two weeks when they play Man City.
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S. cerevisiae
McNabb is done. C’mon Vikes, let’s see what Ponder has.
@Steeplejack:
The Arse weren’t doing too badly today, at least compared to the 8-0 hiding they got at (hiss! boo!) Manchester United. I’m unhappy that they lost by the odd goal in three on sloppy defending, though. Now Spurs go above my team on points.
Liverpool are doing much better than this time last season, when they were really suffering under the incompetence and greed of owners Hicks and Gillette. I like how this John Henry fellow is running things.
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Spaghetti Lee
I’m glad the Bears are playing so many primetime games this year, because going to college in Missouri, too often my options are watching either the Rams or the Chiefs get whupped. I’ve developed a residual affection for both of them from living down here, but not enough to sit and watch, especially when they’re so awful.
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Amir Khalid
@MikeJ:
well, ‘Pool had already won a league match after that loss at Spurs, so Mr Henry had something to temper his disappointment with his other sports team.
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Linnaeus
Lions need a really good second half. I didn’t think winning in Dallas would be easy, but I didn’t expect them to be down 17 points.
And the Tigers need to win this one in New York today.
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c u n d gulag
Texans just committed the stupidest penalty of all time.
ALL TIME!
Guy blocks a Steeler field goal right before the half, and the hero turns into a goat a second later when he blocks the holder in the back – 10 YARDS behind the Johnson, the Texan who picked up the ball and had no one between him and the goal line.
He’s reached acceptance stage. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not.
He must have learned from you. ; )
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Disco
Is it just me, or has the NFL made more strides this year in engineering the pace of the game to further maximize the number of commercials? They’re now taking breaks between touchdowns and extra points. Soon it’ll be a break between first downs I bet.
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Loneoak
I’m watching a stream of the Lions game online because for some reason the Bay Area prefers to watch the 49ers week after week. It’s a stream from the UK, so the half time show is pretty low rent with the B-team commentators, including Richard Dent.
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Svensker
I’m not liking today’s football at all so far. Detroit is down, Bills are up, Steelers coming back, blech. I’ll go shopping instead. Gotta make something for the game tonite!
You want low rent TV guys? Check out the Chiefs/Queens game.
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jon
What kind of lead will the Vikings blow in the second half this week? I’m sure some gambling degenerate enabler has the answer.
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Amir Khalid
@Disco:
I know of no other field sport whose broadcast time is so dominated by commercial breaks. For me, it made the sport quite unwatchable on my visits to the US. Why do you American football fans put up with that?
The NFL set a record with TV revenue last season, so plenty of people are watching it. I’m sure this season will set another record. I find other things to do during the breaks, like read Balloon Juice :)
However, the late games used to start at 3pm Central, and now start at 3:15. The early games frequently preempt the start of the late games. I could see them being pushed back to 3:30 very soon. This would allow for even more commercials.
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Corner Stone
Fucking holding by the Stillers O line.
No call some how.
I know of no other field sport whose broadcast time is so dominated by commercial breaks. For me, it made the sport quite unwatchable on my visits to the US. Why do you American football fans put up with that?
They do that because they can. Football is mostly pauses between the action. Plenty of room for commercials. That is what has made it so perfect for TV, and TV is what has made it huge in America.
Arguably this explains why Soccer (pardon… Football) will never reach anything like the popularity of NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB here. Soccer just has too much continuity of play.
“Arguably this explains why Soccer (pardon… Football) will never reach anything like the popularity of NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB here. Soccer just has too much continuity of play.”
No, it’s because the game fundamentally sucks.
The Continental Soccer Association is coming to Springfield! It’s all here–fast-kicking, low scoring, and ties? You bet!
Also, we need time to go get more Spicy Mega-Ranch Doritos and Mt. Dew Code Red Ultra between plays.
Don’t forget tough, manly pickup trucks bouncing through construction sites in slow motion.
Actually I’m just guessing on that one. I watch exactly one TV football event a year, at Grandma’s on Thanksgiving. I avoid TV otherwise but she’s 94 and gets what she wants on TV.
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Mr Stagger Lee
Apologies to children, Christians, or those easily offended by bad language. G-D DAMN CLEVELAND BROWNS CATCH THE VARGIN BALL, PLAY SOME OFFENSE YOU VARGIN BASTIGES, YOU ARE BUNCH OF VARGIN CORKSUCKERS!!!!!! Again my apologies. I am turning off the TV and going to The RTV.EU and see some real football.
There’s some controversy in the previous thread over not much at all. You might try that thread.
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Mr Stagger Lee
@Brian S: The guy who owns Aston Villa also owns the Browns, the word around the Cleveland campfire is that he cares more about AV than the Browns, even though the people running the Browns are top notch football people. This is the residue of Art(may he rot in hell)Modell. A Cleveland Sports Fan suffers on levels that Chicago Cubs or Boston Red Sox Fan will ever more.
It takes American football (the professional game, anyway) three hours to get through one hour of playing time — out of which the ball is in play for, as I understand, maybe 15 minutes. That’s just plain crazy.
In the football I follow, it takes under two hours to get through 90 minutes of playing time, including a 15-minute halftime break. The ball is in play for pretty much all of those 90 minutes. (American broadcasters hate that, I know. At the 1994 World Cup, they wanted FIFA to break the matches into quarters instead of halves, so there’d be three breaks for commercials instead of one. FIFA said absolutely not.)
Of the two kinds of football, which one is the most popular sport on the planet, and which one is followed in only one country?
@Amir Khalid: I like watching soccer, though I am biased toward South American teams. I would say if this was Australia I would bet the argument would be about Aussie Rules or Rugby vs soccer. Ohn BTW any takers on who is going to win the Rugby World Cup? I am myself pushing for the Springboks but the All Blacks are playing home and their HAKAS are cool.
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): The thing about baseball is that there are natural breaks built into the game–inning changes, pitching changes–and I never feel like those changes are being lengthened just to fit commercials in. In fact, I’ve seen a few times when the coverage has come back from commercial and the inning has already started. The game didn’t wait for tv, in other words. But I’ve been at live football games where it was absolutely clear that the ref was waiting for the signal from the tv people before whistling the game back into play.
@Amir Khalid: I was gonna say, if you watch cricket….
Vikes lose. Again. What a surprise.
@askew: Yeah. Even when the Vikes scored a touchdown, I wasn’t ebullient at all. There’s just an air of inevitability (of loss) surrounding the Vikes this year.
Hee! I’ve been saying that for the past 4 weeks now. Man, do the Vikings suck this season.
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Corner Stone
Horrible fucking call against JJ Watts. Brutal BS.
60.
Corner Stone
Somebody please play over the top. PLEASE.
61.
Corner Stone
No flag? You fucking brutal BS refs.
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Corner Stone
I hope Andre Johnson just has a tweaked hammy.
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Amir Khalid
Vuvuzelas are contraband at many football stadiums outside South Africa. It has been pre-emptively banned in many places for the obvious reason. It’s not as if football fan culture elsewhere doesn’t already have noisemaking devices. A very popular one, which no crowd steward or cop can confiscate, is called a “throat”.
Announcer language: The Rams “have self-destructed”, “have no one to blame but themselves”. I am not sure the Vikes are any worse if I have to keep watching this every week. But it is not over yet.
I moved to the Detroit area 14 years ago, and this is the first time I can ever remember them not sucking. (Though I do remember the year they started 8-0 and then lost all the rest of their games. So I know not to get my hopes up. The Lions keep finding new, different ways to break the hearts of their fans.)
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Mark B.
Romo is reminding me of Sonny Jurgenson, without the charisma.
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Mark B.
After the Jets game, I was convinced that the best plan for the Cowboys was to bench Romo for the fourth quarter of every game. I can see that that plan is insufficient, he started in the third this week.
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S. cerevisiae
I loved the Lions comeback against the hated Cowboys. Now that my Vikes have been eliminated from hope this season I hope the Lions kick ass this year, their fans deserve it.
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Suffern ACE
The Packers game isn’t on out here this week. Just watching the box score on Yahoo. It says Tim Tebow has a rush for a one yard loss, but Orton is the QB. Did they move Tebow to a different position?
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S. cerevisiae
Oh and a hearty Nelson HA HA! to the Iggles – where’s that dream team talk now?
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Yutsano
@efgoldman: Tuba spins FTW! Although the cheaters are using pads. It just prolongs the agony. Your shoulder adjusts after two weeks. Suck it up.
@ppcli: The Lions are 4-0. There may be some truth yet to that 2012 thing.
also too, great finishes by Philly and Dalls….. um no, not really
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Yutsano
@efgoldman: Sacrilege, those are. And they sound terrible. Also. Too. Friend on Book of Faces had band pics up yesterday. They had plastic mouthpieces on the tubas. I screamed. It wasn’t pretty.
And OO may just be slightly obnoxious after the drudging of Jeebus Boy by the Pack today.
EDIT: the Seahacks scored. They continue their long slow tease into mediocrity.
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Jc
Hey niners win – and really, should be 4-0 right now. That 4th inning choke against Dallas was insane, and I was there watching it.
So I’m glad shoe is on other foot now – ha ha! Down with the Cowpokes!
Well, that was an almost foul ball and a mostly missed call.
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Cheryl from Maryland
@Mark B.: I had the pleasure to see Mr. Jurgensen play live. The Romo comparison is incorrect — Sonny was always good in the 4th quarter.
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catclub
@Spaghetti Lee: I prefer to cheer ( quietly) against the local team. The fans are less obnoxious, plus there are fewer of them when the team is not winning too much.
Was Liverpool FC’s owner injured in a boating accident or as despondent as the rest of Red Sox Nation?
That Guy ‘slipping on the stairs of his yacht‘ was the lead local TV news Friday — complete with breathless commentary from the newscopter beaming shots of said yacht sitting at anchor. The newspods were much too reverential to make cracks about who might’ve kicked him down those stairs, but every other Bostonian sports fan has more than made up for that.
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And Another Thing...
Rugby World Cup… New Zealand 79 Canada 15… Now there’s a man’s sport!!
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Arm The Homeless
I will now refer to Roethlisberger as Das Boot.
“Suck for Luck” is looking far more plausible…
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Svensker
I hate the Pats. But in a game full of great names “Benjarvis Green-Ellis” is the best name in football. Pretty good player, also too, but then since he’s a Patsy he must cheat somehow.
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4jkb4ia
The Tigers announcers have said that some of the FTFY fans have gone home, and A-Rod got booed for having done nothing all day. Although I greatly enjoyed the booing, Spencer is the only one of them who has any class.
The Steelers are freakin’ 2-2. Jesus, I mean, I know you guys are accustomed to success, but if you want Luck, you’re gonna have to start sucking much more awfully. Think Seahawks or Rams.
Does Seattle play Minnesota? Those 2, plus Indy, are best bets in the Luck Derby (though, if this were a horse race, one or more of those nags might have to be put down).
Sheesh, win two big ones and it spoils the fanbase rotten. If you went back to pre-2004 and told a Red Sox fan that the coach who won 2 world series would be run out of town, and the GM might leave too, he’d have probably thought you were nuts.
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Amir Khalid
I don’t know how popular he is in Boston, but Liverpool fans have been very appreciative of John Henry’s ownership. Not just because anyone would be better than Hicks and Gillette, who promised fans the moon and delivered a shitload of debt while alienating everyone is sight. Henry brought back club legend Kenny Dalglish as manager, and provided a transfer budget that lets King Kenny bring in the kind of players Liverpool needs to compete at the top. A once badly demoralized team has found its self-belief again, and us fans are happy too.
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Arm The Homeless
@Spaghetti Lee: I don’t quite get who you’re chiding. But, it’s pandemonium out there so far this season. I would hate to think that NFL front-offices would be so venal, and short-sighted to Bork their teams so as to secure a better chance to draft a college QB; even a really good one.
No-one is that stupid, right?
Obligatory Fuck the Pats. Holla!
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Corner Stone
@4jkb4ia: I’m a lonely old coot who loves football.
I would hate to think that NFL front-offices would be so venal…
I’ll toss out a conspiracy theory for ya…
..which is based upon the fact that NFL wants back in the LA market BAD.
For reasons mysterious to me (no team in LA is GREAT; we always get the best games), LA wants a team and AEG stadium is plodding along and will likely be built.
So, which team comes into the LA market?
Vikings, probably; so, they have the shits of a year, get Luck (read: highly marketable), get run out of town to LA, etc.
I think that happens less often than people like to think, because there’s no such thing as a slam-dunk draft pick. I’m still kinda wondering when and why Andrew Luck was deemed the next Peyton Manning. Also, there’s conflicting interests at work. Could you really get 53 players and a dozen coaches to go along with a planned tank-job? They’ve got contracts and reputations to worry about, and they’re not going to be with the team in question forever.
I also think that if there were drafts being fixed and games being thrown in the NFL on a regular basis, the Cowboys, Niners, and Skins, three popular and historically successful franchises in big markets, would have won more than 1 combined playoff game in the last 10 years or whatever the hell it is.
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Arm The Homeless
@Spaghetti Lee: This is pretty much my logic. But there are obviously teams who have played below their ability. I can believe some teams are feeling a hang-over from the drama-filled off-season. But what is the quantity of marginal suck that some teams are heaping on the pile?
@Cheryl from Maryland: When Tony develops a paunch and doesn’t piss and moan about being hit, then maybe I’ll accept some kind of Jurgensen comparison, but I imagine most folks in Tejas wouldn’t appreciate anyone making the comparison (and quite a few Redskin faithful too).
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Yutsano
The Seahacks are trying to get my hopes up. I’m not concerned.
On a related note, I wish my cable company listings would make NFL games 3.5 hours instead of 3, as my DVR recordings stop somewhere around 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
You’re making a mistake of confusing the time that the ball is in play with the amount of time something interesting is happening. A lot of soccer the ball is technically in play but the goalie is holding it while directing the players or they’re organizing a set piece or there’s a long goal kick that gets headed at random… Yes, those can lead to something but a lot of that is an illusion because we can’t see the clock so we don’t know how much time is being run off when the player is faking an injury.
The ball might be in play more in soccer but the times when something that might affect the score of the game are happening are probably pretty similar. I don’t see much difference in watching a few players organize everyone for a free kick and watching Peyton change the play at the line of scrimmage while the defense scrambles around to confuse him. And if you don’t think anything interesting can happen while the ball hasn’t been snapped, watch a 2 minute drill and see 300 pound linemen sprinting 30 yards up field to get to the line so the clock can be stopped…
Charlie Peprah needs to get used to playing free safety. It took him a bit to step up last year at strong safety after Burnett and Bigby went down last yesar. I wish Collins was still there, but we gotta play with who’s ever available. I’ve got feeling if Charlie grades-out poorly over the next game or two, Woodson will end up at free safety before the season is over.
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Baud
Does anyone else really like the splash of pink on the uniforms?
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Raven (formerly stuckinred)
For example:
“In what will go down as one of the biggest shockers in the history of the NFL, the surprising Giants ended their wildest season ever by stopping the New England Patriots’ quest for perfection. They stunned the previously undefeated Pats, 17-14, in Super Bowl XLII to win their third Super Bowl championship and first in 17 years.”
Everyone KNEW what was going to happen because they were “unstopabble”
BTW: David Harris gave his school as Ottawa Hills (HS) again! Go Indians er, Bengals!
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befuggled
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): The Pats peaked too soon that year. They were blowing teams out at the beginning of the year, but by the end they were starting to look mortal. They still nearly won that game, between a dropped interception and a couple of freakishly lucky plays on that last drive.
My concern with the Packers, who are my second team after the Lions, is that they will peak too soon like the Pats did. I do hope the Lions prevent that by beating them a couple of times.
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Amir Khalid
@zzyzx:
You mustn’t make the mistake of thinking that something interesting is happening in a football match only when you see something resembling a set-piece play in the grid-iron sport. The grid-iron sport consists exclusively of set-pieces; football is more fluid than that both in how teams organize themselves, and in how and when they move.
I’ll concede that I don’t appreciate the tactical subtleties of your sport if you concede that you don’t appreciate the tactical subtleties of my football.
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Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@befuggled: I just don’t buy this bullshit that any team is so far beyond everyone else that it’s a foregone conclusion that they will win it all.
Go Bears
ask Matt Stafford how that worked out when the Dawgs were the odd on preseason #1.
My concern with the Packers, who are my second team after the Lions, is that they will peak too soon like the Pats did.
Well, unlike the Pats that year, the Packers don’t seem to be trying to run up the score in garbage time. And this team doesn’t really look like it’s having to pull out all of the stops in order to win. Today they just looked ho-hum, imo. Hell, even in the, what, 2nd quarter, up 14-3, when McCarthy called for the onside kick, it wasn’t like, “Wow gutsy call!” but rather, “Well, yeah, the Broncos look really vulnerable to this- their front line is retreating to block before the ball is kicked, so we’ve got a really good chance at recovering this.”
@Amir Khalid: I’ve watched plenty of soccer (albeit largely at a fairly low level outside of the World Cup games on TV… I used to go to the Sounders a LOT pre-MLS) enough to know that there’s more going on than is obvious, but at the same time, claiming that soccer is 90 minutes of non-stop action is overselling it.
A large part of the reason why soccer matches take place in 2 hours is because the clock keeps running during times when it would stop in other sports (injuries – yes there’s extra time, but it never adds up to how much is spent lying around – trying to decide what to do on a set piece, waiting for a ball on a throw in, waiting for players to get down field on a goal kick, celebrating after a goal, substituting a player in)…
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drkrick
This is the residue of Art(may he rot in hell)Modell.
Actually, the residue of the Cleveland authorities who were willing to build a new stadium for every other team in town (not to mention a rock’n’roll museum) while insisting that Modell continue to do business in a stadium that had been outdated for decades and was literally falling down around his and the fan’s ears. Funny how, once their bluff was called, the money to build a new football stadium materialized more or less instantly.
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Amir Khalid
@zzyzx:
You do know, don’t you, that time-wasting is a yellow-card offense in football? You sound just like the sportswriters in American newspapers who dust off their “soccer sucks” pieces every four years, when the World Cup comes around.
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kindness
Man, the Jets offense has sucked. I thought they were better than that.
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Yutsano
@kindness: I noticed that. Hopefully second half adjustments will work in their favor. Otherwise Svensker is gonna be cranky tomorrow. And it won’t be pretty.
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4jkb4ia
Cliff Lee officially chased! (The Cardinals beat him earlier in the year)
I was trying to listen to the game on the radio and watch the Jets on TV earlier, but it became all Ravens.
Brad Lidge in in the 7th inning. Albert caught in the rundown, Freese and Berkman get to second and third. Only one out.
Intentional walk to the Mighty Yadi.
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4jkb4ia
OK, Jason Motte, this is the biggest game you ever pitched in in your life.
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4jkb4ia
And the Phillies go very quietly to even the series. I have to hope that Arizona can make a miraculous recovery because Milwaukee has killed the Cardinals all year.
Man, the Jets offense has sucked. I thought they were better than that.
With Mangold out and Turner out, the Jets have no one to go to. And for some reason Tannenbaum decided not to sign any veterans. All their depth is rookies and the kids are just not up to it — especially against the Ravens’ D. Jesus, I thought Mark was going to get killed out there. He should get a Purple Heart for just standing there and trying to play.
ETA: @Yutsano: There are no 2nd half adjustments they CAN make. They literally have no veteran players to put in, only rookies and not particularly stellar rookies at that. They need to sign someone. Should have signed Geoude or whatever his name was. Ravens signed him instead when he was released a few weeks ago.
In my old league he would have had 61. Favre had a huge day with the Jets the year he was there and got me 55- the highest one-man score I ever got in ~20 years in the league. I think Brady might have cracked 70 once in that undefeated (regular) season the Pats had.
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S. cerevisiae
Fuck the Packers…that is all.
ETA: and I am rooting for the Brewers.
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cokane
DOWN WITH PISSBURG
Amir Khalid
After an unlucky 1-0 loss at Stoke City and a 4-0 thumping at Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool has now won two on the trot, so I’m a happy camper foootball-wise.
So how are things in the helmet&shoulder-pads code?
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
I watched Tottenham thoroughly dominate Arsenal this morning. I knew Arsenal had fallen on bad times, but they looked awful.
Cole’s Steelers are being thumped on national TV. Suicide watch?
Spaghetti Lee
@Steeplejack:
Suidice, no. Drunk-tweeting? Absolutely.
rikyrah
GO BEARS!!!
Spaghetti Lee
Argh, Panthers scored 10 points when I wasn’t looking. C’mon, my Bears. At least beat the fucking Panthers even if you can’t run with the big boys.
wrb
I wish the Ahane and Na Piarsaigh match was streaming somewhere.
Not enough speed or violence in football
Got interested after reading Ken Bruen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmzivRetelE
MikeJ
@Amir Khalid:
Was Liverpool FC’s owner injured in a boating accident or as despondent as the rest of Red Sox Nation?
Brian S
@rikyrah: I haven’t been watching the games, just following the scores, but it looks like Bears-Panthers is entertaining at least.
@Amir Khalid: I watched Aston Villa finally win one they were supposed to rather than settle for a draw, so I’m happy on that front. I’m fairly sure I’d be happy with a draw in two weeks when they play Man City.
S. cerevisiae
McNabb is done. C’mon Vikes, let’s see what Ponder has.
asiangrrlMN
Just saw Cole tweet, “The Steelers just aren’t very good this year.” He’s reached acceptance stage. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not.
@S. cerevisiae: Or something! Gah.
Amir Khalid
@Steeplejack:
The Arse weren’t doing too badly today, at least compared to the 8-0 hiding they got at (hiss! boo!) Manchester United. I’m unhappy that they lost by the odd goal in three on sloppy defending, though. Now Spurs go above my team on points.
Liverpool are doing much better than this time last season, when they were really suffering under the incompetence and greed of owners Hicks and Gillette. I like how this John Henry fellow is running things.
Spaghetti Lee
I’m glad the Bears are playing so many primetime games this year, because going to college in Missouri, too often my options are watching either the Rams or the Chiefs get whupped. I’ve developed a residual affection for both of them from living down here, but not enough to sit and watch, especially when they’re so awful.
Amir Khalid
@MikeJ:
well, ‘Pool had already won a league match after that loss at Spurs, so Mr Henry had something to temper his disappointment with his other sports team.
Linnaeus
Lions need a really good second half. I didn’t think winning in Dallas would be easy, but I didn’t expect them to be down 17 points.
And the Tigers need to win this one in New York today.
c u n d gulag
Texans just committed the stupidest penalty of all time.
ALL TIME!
Guy blocks a Steeler field goal right before the half, and the hero turns into a goat a second later when he blocks the holder in the back – 10 YARDS behind the Johnson, the Texan who picked up the ball and had no one between him and the goal line.
WTF was HE thinking?
Loneoak
@asiangrrlMN:
He must have learned from you. ; )
Disco
Is it just me, or has the NFL made more strides this year in engineering the pace of the game to further maximize the number of commercials? They’re now taking breaks between touchdowns and extra points. Soon it’ll be a break between first downs I bet.
Loneoak
I’m watching a stream of the Lions game online because for some reason the Bay Area prefers to watch the 49ers week after week. It’s a stream from the UK, so the half time show is pretty low rent with the B-team commentators, including Richard Dent.
Svensker
I’m not liking today’s football at all so far. Detroit is down, Bills are up, Steelers coming back, blech. I’ll go shopping instead. Gotta make something for the game tonite!
Disco
@Loneoak:
You want low rent TV guys? Check out the Chiefs/Queens game.
jon
What kind of lead will the Vikings blow in the second half this week? I’m sure some gambling degenerate enabler has the answer.
Amir Khalid
@Disco:
I know of no other field sport whose broadcast time is so dominated by commercial breaks. For me, it made the sport quite unwatchable on my visits to the US. Why do you American football fans put up with that?
Disco
@Amir Khalid:
The NFL set a record with TV revenue last season, so plenty of people are watching it. I’m sure this season will set another record. I find other things to do during the breaks, like read Balloon Juice :)
However, the late games used to start at 3pm Central, and now start at 3:15. The early games frequently preempt the start of the late games. I could see them being pushed back to 3:30 very soon. This would allow for even more commercials.
Corner Stone
Fucking holding by the Stillers O line.
No call some how.
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
I think the start-stop nature of the game itself facilitates lots of commercials. And it is increasingly annoying.
Corner Stone
Thank you for finally understanding what the Stiller O was going to call.
I knew it, why didn’t you Wade?
RossInDetroit
@Amir Khalid:
They do that because they can. Football is mostly pauses between the action. Plenty of room for commercials. That is what has made it so perfect for TV, and TV is what has made it huge in America.
Arguably this explains why Soccer (pardon… Football) will never reach anything like the popularity of NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB here. Soccer just has too much continuity of play.
Disco
@RossInDetroit:
“Arguably this explains why Soccer (pardon… Football) will never reach anything like the popularity of NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB here. Soccer just has too much continuity of play.”
No, it’s because the game fundamentally sucks.
The Continental Soccer Association is coming to Springfield! It’s all here–fast-kicking, low scoring, and ties? You bet!
Loneoak
@RossInDetroit:
Also, we need time to go get more Spicy Mega-Ranch Doritos and Mt. Dew Code Red Ultra between plays.
Corner Stone
No flags? NO FLAGS!
TD Foster!!
RossInDetroit
@Loneoak:
Don’t forget tough, manly pickup trucks bouncing through construction sites in slow motion.
Actually I’m just guessing on that one. I watch exactly one TV football event a year, at Grandma’s on Thanksgiving. I avoid TV otherwise but she’s 94 and gets what she wants on TV.
Mr Stagger Lee
Apologies to children, Christians, or those easily offended by bad language. G-D DAMN CLEVELAND BROWNS CATCH THE VARGIN BALL, PLAY SOME OFFENSE YOU VARGIN BASTIGES, YOU ARE BUNCH OF VARGIN CORKSUCKERS!!!!!! Again my apologies. I am turning off the TV and going to The RTV.EU and see some real football.
asiangrrlMN
You know what? Fuck you, Vikings.
Svensker
@Loneoak:
This. Commercials are for loading up the snack platter, checking the internet, and pee breaks. Win win.
S. cerevisiae
Well, it looks like we have become the favorite in the “Suck for Luck” sweepstakes. It’s gonna be a looooong year.
Loneoak
@RossInDetroit:
Then why are you chatting on this thread?!
Sounds exactly like Thanksgiving at my Grandma’s house, at least back when I had one.
RossInDetroit
@Svensker:
Yeah, when do Soccer fans take a leak break? At any minute the might miss something…
Okay, I answered my own question.
Corner Stone
@Mr Stagger Lee: My mother talked like that to me once. Once.
Disco
Another thing they’ve done to cram more ads in there: kicking off from the 35 now. This guarantees more ads compared to playing time.
asiangrrlMN
@S. cerevisiae: Tell me about it. This is just agonizing. Well, it would be if I expected the Vikes to win.
RossInDetroit
@Loneoak:
Because it’s the end of the weekend and I haven’t pissed anyone off yet. Crunch time.
Loneoak
@RossInDetroit:
There’s some controversy in the previous thread over not much at all. You might try that thread.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Brian S: The guy who owns Aston Villa also owns the Browns, the word around the Cleveland campfire is that he cares more about AV than the Browns, even though the people running the Browns are top notch football people. This is the residue of Art(may he rot in hell)Modell. A Cleveland Sports Fan suffers on levels that Chicago Cubs or Boston Red Sox Fan will ever more.
RossInDetroit
@Loneoak:
Sorry. I missed the “Pigskin Fans Only” sign over the door.
asiangrrlMN
@RossInDetroit: I vote for you to stay. You funny.
Wait, what? Vikings get a touchdown, move within five?!?
Amir Khalid
@RossInDetroit:
It takes American football (the professional game, anyway) three hours to get through one hour of playing time — out of which the ball is in play for, as I understand, maybe 15 minutes. That’s just plain crazy.
In the football I follow, it takes under two hours to get through 90 minutes of playing time, including a 15-minute halftime break. The ball is in play for pretty much all of those 90 minutes. (American broadcasters hate that, I know. At the 1994 World Cup, they wanted FIFA to break the matches into quarters instead of halves, so there’d be three breaks for commercials instead of one. FIFA said absolutely not.)
Of the two kinds of football, which one is the most popular sport on the planet, and which one is followed in only one country?
Loneoak
@RossInDetroit:
No, no, that was a helpful suggestion. Not an attempt to get you to leave.
Mr Stagger Lee
I just love those Mayhem commercials by Alstate.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Amir Khalid:
Never seen a baseball game on tv, have you?
Disco
@Amir Khalid:
FIFA also said “absolutely not” to getting rid of those fucking vuvuzelas. Dig?
asiangrrlMN
@Disco: I so love this response.
ETA: I do like futbol, but those vuvuzelas drive me insane.
ETA II: This is funny, though.
Mr Stagger Lee
@Amir Khalid: I like watching soccer, though I am biased toward South American teams. I would say if this was Australia I would bet the argument would be about Aussie Rules or Rugby vs soccer. Ohn BTW any takers on who is going to win the Rugby World Cup? I am myself pushing for the Springboks but the All Blacks are playing home and their HAKAS are cool.
Steeplejack
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):
I think football is worse. In baseball it’s between innings and during pitching changes, and that’s about it.
Brian S
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): The thing about baseball is that there are natural breaks built into the game–inning changes, pitching changes–and I never feel like those changes are being lengthened just to fit commercials in. In fact, I’ve seen a few times when the coverage has come back from commercial and the inning has already started. The game didn’t wait for tv, in other words. But I’ve been at live football games where it was absolutely clear that the ref was waiting for the signal from the tv people before whistling the game back into play.
Amir Khalid
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):
I must confess, no. I find the sport itself unspeakably dull to watch. Every bit as dull as cricket or golf.
asiangrrlMN
@Steeplejack: Steepman, how you be?
@Amir Khalid: I was gonna say, if you watch cricket….
Vikes lose. Again. What a surprise.
@askew: Yeah. Even when the Vikes scored a touchdown, I wasn’t ebullient at all. There’s just an air of inevitability (of loss) surrounding the Vikes this year.
askew
@asiangrrlMN:
Hee! I’ve been saying that for the past 4 weeks now. Man, do the Vikings suck this season.
Corner Stone
Horrible fucking call against JJ Watts. Brutal BS.
Corner Stone
Somebody please play over the top. PLEASE.
Corner Stone
No flag? You fucking brutal BS refs.
Corner Stone
I hope Andre Johnson just has a tweaked hammy.
Amir Khalid
Vuvuzelas are contraband at many football stadiums outside South Africa. It has been pre-emptively banned in many places for the obvious reason. It’s not as if football fan culture elsewhere doesn’t already have noisemaking devices. A very popular one, which no crowd steward or cop can confiscate, is called a “throat”.
Elie
@rikyrah:
I second or third that!!!
cckids
@asiangrrlMN:
You are not the only one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prrv6_CUyF0
tho I know its been done before, still funny
4jkb4ia
Announcer language: The Rams “have self-destructed”, “have no one to blame but themselves”. I am not sure the Vikes are any worse if I have to keep watching this every week. But it is not over yet.
MikeJ
Hint: go to the grocery during the first half of Seahawks games. Nobody there. Last week I went after halftime and the game was a blowout. Packed.
asiangrrlMN
@4jkb4ia: Did you bail out on the Vikes? Wouldn’t blame ya if you did.
@cckids: Oh, god. I lasted ten seconds after the vuvuzelas were introduced.
Corner Stone
Ahhh, first the hated Colts, then the hated Stillers.
Yutsano
@Amir Khalid:
Depends on what part of the world you’re in. I’m sure throat-ripping is sanctioned by a police force somewhere.
And the Seachickens are losing already.
4jkb4ia
Kolb FUMBLE at NYG 14! /slightly Corner Stone
@asiangrrrlMN: This was a response to your comments about their inventing ways to lose. No sarcasm intended.
Amir Khalid
@Yutsano:
Good point.
Mark B.
Fucking Romo. Bradshaw had it right. He’s a chucker. He can make some great plays, but the terrible plays outweigh them over the long term.
The Dangerman
It would appear I gave up on the Lions (and Romo’s ability to toss picks) too soon; I missed most of the 3rd and 4th.
Cowboys (FTFC) should be 4-0 and are only 2-2 (did I say FTFC; I think I did, but had to be sure).
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Da Berz
The Dangerman
Holy shit, the Eagles lost? Wow.
ppcli
@efgoldman: Au contraire, mon chum.
I moved to the Detroit area 14 years ago, and this is the first time I can ever remember them not sucking. (Though I do remember the year they started 8-0 and then lost all the rest of their games. So I know not to get my hopes up. The Lions keep finding new, different ways to break the hearts of their fans.)
Mark B.
Romo is reminding me of Sonny Jurgenson, without the charisma.
Mark B.
After the Jets game, I was convinced that the best plan for the Cowboys was to bench Romo for the fourth quarter of every game. I can see that that plan is insufficient, he started in the third this week.
S. cerevisiae
I loved the Lions comeback against the hated Cowboys. Now that my Vikes have been eliminated from hope this season I hope the Lions kick ass this year, their fans deserve it.
Suffern ACE
The Packers game isn’t on out here this week. Just watching the box score on Yahoo. It says Tim Tebow has a rush for a one yard loss, but Orton is the QB. Did they move Tebow to a different position?
S. cerevisiae
Oh and a hearty Nelson HA HA! to the Iggles – where’s that dream team talk now?
Yutsano
@efgoldman: Tuba spins FTW! Although the cheaters are using pads. It just prolongs the agony. Your shoulder adjusts after two weeks. Suck it up.
@ppcli: The Lions are 4-0. There may be some truth yet to that 2012 thing.
Spaghetti Lee
@S. cerevisiae:
I never understood it to begin with. What was it based on? Asoumgha? Who else?
Arm The Homeless
Matt Moore hands-off to Ike Hilliard … something tells me this is going to be a long day.
On a much better note, I eagerly await Tbogg’s apoplexy as Juice-box Jesus looks primed to take his first snaps…
piratedan
yay ‘Skins!
also too, great finishes by Philly and Dalls….. um no, not really
Yutsano
@efgoldman: Sacrilege, those are. And they sound terrible. Also. Too. Friend on Book of Faces had band pics up yesterday. They had plastic mouthpieces on the tubas. I screamed. It wasn’t pretty.
And OO may just be slightly obnoxious after the drudging of Jeebus Boy by the Pack today.
EDIT: the Seahacks scored. They continue their long slow tease into mediocrity.
Jc
Hey niners win – and really, should be 4-0 right now. That 4th inning choke against Dallas was insane, and I was there watching it.
So I’m glad shoe is on other foot now – ha ha! Down with the Cowpokes!
Jc
Also – this is most pathetic faux “both sides do it” on congress dysfunction EVER – http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jVH3Bn8QCYGagegqwT0ekCCjHCwA?docId=d7d216d21797434881455f346aa90b42
Suffern ACE
Well, that was an almost foul ball and a mostly missed call.
Cheryl from Maryland
@Mark B.: I had the pleasure to see Mr. Jurgensen play live. The Romo comparison is incorrect — Sonny was always good in the 4th quarter.
catclub
@Spaghetti Lee: I prefer to cheer ( quietly) against the local team. The fans are less obnoxious, plus there are fewer of them when the team is not winning too much.
Anne Laurie
@MikeJ:
That Guy ‘slipping on the stairs of his yacht‘ was the lead local TV news Friday — complete with breathless commentary from the newscopter beaming shots of said yacht sitting at anchor. The newspods were much too reverential to make cracks about who might’ve kicked him down those stairs, but every other Bostonian sports fan has more than made up for that.
And Another Thing...
Rugby World Cup… New Zealand 79 Canada 15… Now there’s a man’s sport!!
Arm The Homeless
I will now refer to Roethlisberger as Das Boot.
“Suck for Luck” is looking far more plausible…
Svensker
I hate the Pats. But in a game full of great names “Benjarvis Green-Ellis” is the best name in football. Pretty good player, also too, but then since he’s a Patsy he must cheat somehow.
4jkb4ia
The Tigers announcers have said that some of the FTFY fans have gone home, and A-Rod got booed for having done nothing all day. Although I greatly enjoyed the booing, Spencer is the only one of them who has any class.
Spaghetti Lee
@Arm The Homeless:
The Steelers are freakin’ 2-2. Jesus, I mean, I know you guys are accustomed to success, but if you want Luck, you’re gonna have to start sucking much more awfully. Think Seahawks or Rams.
The Dangerman
@Spaghetti Lee:
Does Seattle play Minnesota? Those 2, plus Indy, are best bets in the Luck Derby (though, if this were a horse race, one or more of those nags might have to be put down).
Spaghetti Lee
@efgoldman:
Sheesh, win two big ones and it spoils the fanbase rotten. If you went back to pre-2004 and told a Red Sox fan that the coach who won 2 world series would be run out of town, and the GM might leave too, he’d have probably thought you were nuts.
Amir Khalid
I don’t know how popular he is in Boston, but Liverpool fans have been very appreciative of John Henry’s ownership. Not just because anyone would be better than Hicks and Gillette, who promised fans the moon and delivered a shitload of debt while alienating everyone is sight. Henry brought back club legend Kenny Dalglish as manager, and provided a transfer budget that lets King Kenny bring in the kind of players Liverpool needs to compete at the top. A once badly demoralized team has found its self-belief again, and us fans are happy too.
Arm The Homeless
@Spaghetti Lee: I don’t quite get who you’re chiding. But, it’s pandemonium out there so far this season. I would hate to think that NFL front-offices would be so venal, and short-sighted to Bork their teams so as to secure a better chance to draft a college QB; even a really good one.
No-one is that stupid, right?
Obligatory Fuck the Pats. Holla!
Corner Stone
@4jkb4ia: I’m a lonely old coot who loves football.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Falcons wit da big pick!
Spaghetti Lee
@The Dangerman:
No, but they do play Carolina, and Indy plays KC next week. There’s two to watch for high draft spots.
I hate the Vikings, but I’m inclined to think they’ve been more unlucky than bad. They’ve lost their 4 games by 19 points total.
The Dangerman
@Arm The Homeless:
I’ll toss out a conspiracy theory for ya…
..which is based upon the fact that NFL wants back in the LA market BAD.
For reasons mysterious to me (no team in LA is GREAT; we always get the best games), LA wants a team and AEG stadium is plodding along and will likely be built.
So, which team comes into the LA market?
Vikings, probably; so, they have the shits of a year, get Luck (read: highly marketable), get run out of town to LA, etc.
Spaghetti Lee
@Arm The Homeless:
I think that happens less often than people like to think, because there’s no such thing as a slam-dunk draft pick. I’m still kinda wondering when and why Andrew Luck was deemed the next Peyton Manning. Also, there’s conflicting interests at work. Could you really get 53 players and a dozen coaches to go along with a planned tank-job? They’ve got contracts and reputations to worry about, and they’re not going to be with the team in question forever.
Cheryl from Maryland
@efgoldman: Not an excuse Romo has.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Chit
Kilkee
@wrb: I was vaguely aware of hurling, but hadn’t seen a helpful vid like that. But are there not multiple beheadings per game? If not, why not?
Spaghetti Lee
@Arm The Homeless:
I also think that if there were drafts being fixed and games being thrown in the NFL on a regular basis, the Cowboys, Niners, and Skins, three popular and historically successful franchises in big markets, would have won more than 1 combined playoff game in the last 10 years or whatever the hell it is.
Arm The Homeless
@Spaghetti Lee: This is pretty much my logic. But there are obviously teams who have played below their ability. I can believe some teams are feeling a hang-over from the drama-filled off-season. But what is the quantity of marginal suck that some teams are heaping on the pile?
piratedan
@Cheryl from Maryland: When Tony develops a paunch and doesn’t piss and moan about being hit, then maybe I’ll accept some kind of Jurgensen comparison, but I imagine most folks in Tejas wouldn’t appreciate anyone making the comparison (and quite a few Redskin faithful too).
Yutsano
The Seahacks are trying to get my hopes up. I’m not concerned.
Comrade Dread
Cowboys… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
On a related note, I wish my cable company listings would make NFL games 3.5 hours instead of 3, as my DVR recordings stop somewhere around 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
4jkb4ia
Illuminating previous comment
It really does not look as if the Giants have played well. The local Fox outlet is showing Arsenal and Tottenham, which I suppose is great for soccer.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
No, the call sucked. It still sucks.
sb
Love the football threads!
Arsenal is in deep doo-doo. Tottenham looks like a completely different club from a month ago and what is up with Bolton’s defense?
(pause)
Wrong football?
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense are unstoppable.
That is all.
Svensker
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):
Ain’t it the truth. They are amazing. Unless something weird happens, they are going to the SB and will prolly win. They are just fantastic to watch.
hildebrand
@sb: Just happy to see Fulham finally get a win.
And yes, the Pack are looking quite good thus far. I would like to see there defense step up and start putting people away.
zzyzx
@Amir Khalid:
You’re making a mistake of confusing the time that the ball is in play with the amount of time something interesting is happening. A lot of soccer the ball is technically in play but the goalie is holding it while directing the players or they’re organizing a set piece or there’s a long goal kick that gets headed at random… Yes, those can lead to something but a lot of that is an illusion because we can’t see the clock so we don’t know how much time is being run off when the player is faking an injury.
The ball might be in play more in soccer but the times when something that might affect the score of the game are happening are probably pretty similar. I don’t see much difference in watching a few players organize everyone for a free kick and watching Peyton change the play at the line of scrimmage while the defense scrambles around to confuse him. And if you don’t think anything interesting can happen while the ball hasn’t been snapped, watch a 2 minute drill and see 300 pound linemen sprinting 30 yards up field to get to the line so the clock can be stopped…
Suffern ACE
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again): Although I get the sense that it will be a 72-68 affair.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Nothing weird ever happens in the NFL, you can know with absolute certainty what is going to happen.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@hildebrand: @Suffern ACE:
Charlie Peprah needs to get used to playing free safety. It took him a bit to step up last year at strong safety after Burnett and Bigby went down last yesar. I wish Collins was still there, but we gotta play with who’s ever available. I’ve got feeling if Charlie grades-out poorly over the next game or two, Woodson will end up at free safety before the season is over.
Baud
Does anyone else really like the splash of pink on the uniforms?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
For example:
“In what will go down as one of the biggest shockers in the history of the NFL, the surprising Giants ended their wildest season ever by stopping the New England Patriots’ quest for perfection. They stunned the previously undefeated Pats, 17-14, in Super Bowl XLII to win their third Super Bowl championship and first in 17 years.”
Everyone KNEW what was going to happen because they were “unstopabble”
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@Baud:
It isn’t so bad with the Ravens’ unis- makes ’em look like a box of Good’n’Plenties- but it doesn’t go well with every team’s color scheme.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
BTW: David Harris gave his school as Ottawa Hills (HS) again! Go
Indianser, Bengals!befuggled
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): The Pats peaked too soon that year. They were blowing teams out at the beginning of the year, but by the end they were starting to look mortal. They still nearly won that game, between a dropped interception and a couple of freakishly lucky plays on that last drive.
My concern with the Packers, who are my second team after the Lions, is that they will peak too soon like the Pats did. I do hope the Lions prevent that by beating them a couple of times.
Amir Khalid
@zzyzx:
You mustn’t make the mistake of thinking that something interesting is happening in a football match only when you see something resembling a set-piece play in the grid-iron sport. The grid-iron sport consists exclusively of set-pieces; football is more fluid than that both in how teams organize themselves, and in how and when they move.
I’ll concede that I don’t appreciate the tactical subtleties of your sport if you concede that you don’t appreciate the tactical subtleties of my football.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@befuggled: I just don’t buy this bullshit that any team is so far beyond everyone else that it’s a foregone conclusion that they will win it all.
Go Bears
ask Matt Stafford how that worked out when the Dawgs were the odd on preseason #1.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@befuggled:
Well, unlike the Pats that year, the Packers don’t seem to be trying to run up the score in garbage time. And this team doesn’t really look like it’s having to pull out all of the stops in order to win. Today they just looked ho-hum, imo. Hell, even in the, what, 2nd quarter, up 14-3, when McCarthy called for the onside kick, it wasn’t like, “Wow gutsy call!” but rather, “Well, yeah, the Broncos look really vulnerable to this- their front line is retreating to block before the ball is kicked, so we’ve got a really good chance at recovering this.”
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Have I said yet how much I hate Phil Simms as a commentator? Because I do. He really sucks.
zzyzx
@Amir Khalid: I’ve watched plenty of soccer (albeit largely at a fairly low level outside of the World Cup games on TV… I used to go to the Sounders a LOT pre-MLS) enough to know that there’s more going on than is obvious, but at the same time, claiming that soccer is 90 minutes of non-stop action is overselling it.
A large part of the reason why soccer matches take place in 2 hours is because the clock keeps running during times when it would stop in other sports (injuries – yes there’s extra time, but it never adds up to how much is spent lying around – trying to decide what to do on a set piece, waiting for a ball on a throw in, waiting for players to get down field on a goal kick, celebrating after a goal, substituting a player in)…
drkrick
Actually, the residue of the Cleveland authorities who were willing to build a new stadium for every other team in town (not to mention a rock’n’roll museum) while insisting that Modell continue to do business in a stadium that had been outdated for decades and was literally falling down around his and the fan’s ears. Funny how, once their bluff was called, the money to build a new football stadium materialized more or less instantly.
Amir Khalid
@zzyzx:
You do know, don’t you, that time-wasting is a yellow-card offense in football? You sound just like the sportswriters in American newspapers who dust off their “soccer sucks” pieces every four years, when the World Cup comes around.
kindness
Man, the Jets offense has sucked. I thought they were better than that.
Yutsano
@kindness: I noticed that. Hopefully second half adjustments will work in their favor. Otherwise Svensker is gonna be cranky tomorrow. And it won’t be pretty.
4jkb4ia
Cliff Lee officially chased! (The Cardinals beat him earlier in the year)
I was trying to listen to the game on the radio and watch the Jets on TV earlier, but it became all Ravens.
Brad Lidge in in the 7th inning. Albert caught in the rundown, Freese and Berkman get to second and third. Only one out.
Intentional walk to the Mighty Yadi.
4jkb4ia
OK, Jason Motte, this is the biggest game you ever pitched in in your life.
4jkb4ia
And the Phillies go very quietly to even the series. I have to hope that Arizona can make a miraculous recovery because Milwaukee has killed the Cardinals all year.
Svensker
@kindness:
With Mangold out and Turner out, the Jets have no one to go to. And for some reason Tannenbaum decided not to sign any veterans. All their depth is rookies and the kids are just not up to it — especially against the Ravens’ D. Jesus, I thought Mark was going to get killed out there. He should get a Purple Heart for just standing there and trying to play.
ETA: @Yutsano: There are no 2nd half adjustments they CAN make. They literally have no veteran players to put in, only rookies and not particularly stellar rookies at that. They need to sign someone. Should have signed Geoude or whatever his name was. Ravens signed him instead when he was released a few weeks ago.
2liberal
@Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again):
aaron rogers scored 77 points today in my FFL league.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
@2liberal:
In my old league he would have had 61. Favre had a huge day with the Jets the year he was there and got me 55- the highest one-man score I ever got in ~20 years in the league. I think Brady might have cracked 70 once in that undefeated (regular) season the Pats had.
S. cerevisiae
Fuck the Packers…that is all.
ETA: and I am rooting for the Brewers.