John wrote about Elizabeth Warren’s appearance on Morning Joe earlier. The video is must see teevee as is the You Tube clip that Anne posted in the early morning hours where Warren pushes back on the whole “Class War” bullshit .
My favorite part of the appearance on Morning Joe was her body language as she endured the high wankerism of George Carlin plagiarizer Mike Barnicle. “Mike” was going on and on about how it was only fair for heavily Democratic Massachusetts to have at least one Republican Senator for balance or some such crapola and that Warren running was going to upset Mike’s sense of order. The look on her face as this well-connected hack droned on and on and on was priceless:
And then she took him apart in her answer. Awesome. All of it was awesome.
All this inspired me to contribute to her campaign. I went here to do it. So can you.
Cheers
MikeJ
More awesomeness today: The prez told the UN all about how much he really hates gay people. “No country should deny people their rights because of who they love…stand up for the rights of gays & lesbians everywhere”
Elizabelle
I listened to the segment.
Heard Mark* Halperin go first with a question about defense issues and China, and she pwned him but good.
Where can we get more Democratic candidates like this? (Realizing that she’s unique, and has spent years studying middle class economic issues.)
* as in Mark “why yes, I am a dick” Halperin
Elisabeth
I wonder how many students have seen just that face.
Davis X. Machina
@Elisabeth: I laughed as soon as I saw it. Hell, Socrates invented that face. Every teacher makes that face. And if you don’t make it when it needs to be made, you lose all credibility with the non-dullards in the room.
Short Bus Bully
I missed that because I alt/tabbed until he finished his endless masturbatory question. Her body languge (as you so rightly point out Dennis) is the real pwnage here.
You just through more awesomesauce on my awesome! Gratzi!
piratedan
@Elisabeth: she was simply waiting for the twitching to stop after he hanged himself on Live TV
Davis X. Machina
@MikeJ: You could tell he didn’t really mean it, though…and did he mention the public option so much as once?
JPL
@Elisabeth: lol… That is what prepared her for the pompous Halperin. Who said she wasn’t ready for prime time.
lacp
Mike Barnicle, the noted plagiarist? Well, at least he showed some taste – not like Ben Domenech, who cribbed from the Doughy Pantload.
Anya
I am sorry for the OT Dennis G. but can we please have a thread about Troy Davis. Apparently Justice Clarence Thomas is reviewing the case.
Also, too, I love Elizabeth Warren.
Mnemosyne
To repeat myself from the thread below:
Warren for Senate in 2012
Warren for President in 2016
Just sayin’.
rikyrah
Ms. Warren ROCKED.
Lojasmo
@Elizabelle:
She is actually a lot like my junior senator, Al Franken (sticks out tongue)
joe73112
Barnicle is a mess… and what is Halperin smokin?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Even msnbc has stopped tweety’s insane babbling about Troy Davis and is replaying earlier programming.
ChrisB
Being questioned by Mike Barnacle, Willie Geist and, worst of all, Mark Halperin? Even just appearing on Morning Joe?
No wonder she had that look on her face.
And it’s true, Mark Halperin just can’t help being a dick, can he?
MikeJ
@Mnemosyne:
I’m happy with the Senate run, but let’s see her in an actual elected seat for a year or two before we print up the ’16 signs. I promise you she’ll disappoint those people who think she’s going to kick Ben Nelson in the nuts the day she’s sworn in.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Let’s put her in the Senate first.
Cat Lady
I hope she likes sports.
General Stuck
I think this clip from MJ is the first time I have watched her speak at any length, and certainly on general politics as a candidate for high office. I knew she was smart, but am blown away by her polished handling of the idiots on MJ, and seeming to enjoy it. As did I
Just an all around impressive lady, and the wonders I had about her making it as a politician in that ring of fire, have been profoundly answered. This lady has it all, and I agree with Mnem about the timeline for advancement of Mrs. Warren’s new career. And that big ass cup of coffee she took a snort from was all win.
JPL
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Since I don’t have MSNBC..what side did Tweety come down on?
Jenny
Jane Hamsher says Warren will make a terrible senator.
Jane is always right about these things, so I can’t support Warren.
opal
Morning Joe makes me miss Imus.
Even my mom liked Imus.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@JPL: Oh he was doing that fucking devils advocate dance that he likes to trot out. “Well what is there about this NOW that is different” and then all kinds of stupid attempts at analogies. When he has to keep talking it really gets bad.
Anne Laurie
That’s Mike “Married to A Bank of America Bigwig” Barnicle — of course he’s gonna hate on Elizabeth Warren, if she’s in the Senate BoA will be very, very unhappy. As Mark Twain said, “Show me where a man gets his cornpone, and I’ll show you where he gets his opinions.”
(Full disclosure: I actually liked Barnicle when he was a second-hand Mike Royko, but hanging around with his wife’s employers ruined our simple mucker’s character, such as it ever was.)
Jenny
Mike Barnicle is a kept man (I know, it’s an atrocious thought). His wife is a big wheel at Bank of America so naturally he’s gonna be hostile to Warren.
Violet
Elizabeth Warren is my girl crush. That look is priceless. The whole clip is beautiful stuff.
JPL
@Anne Laurie: Warren will be around a lot longer than B of A… IMHO…
Thanks Raven for the info…
aisce
aw, look at that. liz warren building bridges and healing the divides that plague this fine website. the blogosphere has found its new love.
@ mikej
shorter mike: ain’t nobody better than my ‘bama! nobody! and nobody ever will be!
i look forward to the next generation of poutragers that crop up around 2016. the amount of online shit the next democratic president will have to take will be legendary. it’ll bring the obots and firebaggers together at last.
Anne Laurie
[Withdrawn for redundancy]
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@aisce: What rock did you crawl out from under?
opal
@Anne Laurie:
Shouldn’t you be off somewhere deleting posts?
Jenny
@MikeJ: even more awesomeness:
http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/o2.jpg?w=524&h=148
Mino
Our Progressive Caucus in the House got Nancy Smash to whip against Boener’s FEMA bill. All but a few Dems voted no and it went down. Tea Partiers also voted no for their own arcane reasons.
MikeJ
@aisce:
I generally don’t speak as if I’m in a minstrel show, but don’t let me stop you.
General Stuck
This is what Obama, Dems, Sane Republicans, and the country are up against with the tea party.
That’s 48 crazy motherfuckers that can bring on the Apocalypse if they want, or at least turn the US into a feudal wasteland.
Cat Lady
@Anne Laurie:
She missed a golden opportunity to drop that little factoid into their discussion, since no one else on that wretched panel would ever ever let it be known. Think how different Barnicle’s questions would be viewed by the rest of the viewing audience if Warren had pointed that out. That’s what she needs to do, and hopefully she will – really hitting home how rigged the game is with our FAIL corporate media.
lol
@MikeJ:
That’s exactly how they expected Obama to act when he first went to the Senate and then they were sooooo disappointed.
Netroots poutrage with Obama dates back to 2005.
Baud
Boehner is the worst speaker ever. Again, he now needs Dems to bail him out.
Jenny
I’m sure Barnicle will propose the same deal for Texas, where
Obama received a greater percentage of the vote in Texas (44%) than McCain received in Massachusetts (36%).
magma
@joe73112:
He’s smoking Drudge’s pole.
MTiffany
Barnacle: a small, spineless, brainless, filter feeder which spends its adult life anchored to a single spot.
Mike Barnicle: aptly named.
aisce
@ mikej
minstrel show? i was thinking cowboys owner jerry jones, actually. he’s my go-to for mocking exuberant personal attachment, ever since i started reading too much ksk. his boy romo’s a goddamn star.
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/10/look-out-the-double-j-is-on-the-warpath.html
was i to know that you’re black? sorry, if i was. i was just doing a southerner riff. though, you’re right, it could be read as don king.
Mino
@General Stuck: Dems and sane Republicans can pass the bill. Dems opposed it because of the FEMA offsets.
JWL
Warren’s presentation of herself represents a template genuine democratic candidates will do well to emulate. That is, talk turkey, and keep it simple.
Ohmmade
Wait, so does ABL hate this woman?
SiubhanDuinne
I’m amazed nobody here is posting about the delay in the Troy Davis execution. Under SCOTUS review. Have been out all evening and away from news, so this may be old stuff.
Sorry for the O/T. I’ll go read the recent posts carefully now.
ETA: what Anya said at #10.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@SiubhanDuinne: What to you want to say that hasn’t been said?
Mino
@SiubhanDuinne: Thomas is involved. Very nervous.
General Stuck
@Mino:
But the 48 tea partiers voted it down cause it didn’t slash overall spending more, same reason they voted no on the debt ceiling deal
The House is a fully majoritiarian body, and the fact that the GOP leadership cannot get the GOP votes to pass it’s own legislation, is very worrisome, and tripled so that it involves keeping the federal government running. Dems should not be responsible for passing such bills in the House, when it involves stuff they are ideologically opposed to, like the FEMA offsets from the gooper leadership.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: this is from a blog on the AJC..
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Mino: Well, if he wasn’t involved Davis would be dead.
Gin & Tonic
@General Stuck: I believe you have it backwards. Those 48 are the sane ones. The failure of this CR is considered a good thing by Pelosi and the Dem leadership.
Svensker
@SiubhanDuinne:
ABL’s site has it and Emily Hauser’s twitter (link at ABL) is good.
Very tough stuff.
I’m out. Good night all. Pray for Troy Davis and pray for the family of Lawrence Brewer who was executed tonight. Brewer “deserved” it, but I hate the death penalty.
TooManyJens
Just when I thought I couldn’t love Elizabeth Warren more. That expression is a thing of beauty.
eemom
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
can you stop with the scolding? This is kind of a big deal.
No, maybe there isn’t anything in particular to say right this very minute, but as you know, we blog denizens DO tend to share high stakes emotional events in real time while they are unfolding.
Can you say “Football Open Thread”?
Mino
@General Stuck: I don’t think Boehner can afford to lose again. He was already threatening chairmanships. They will probably pass the Senate version with Dems and Reps support. I don’t think there are enough batshit-crazy Republican yet to shut down the government. It would be nuts to draw attention to what they’ve been doing after Obama just pointed it out.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@eemom: I didn’t scold anyone. Do you just want an empty thread?If you want to talk about it talk about it. Does it matter what the damn header on the page is?
Mino
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): True, but why do I fear he will make things worse?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Mino: Worse than what?
eemom
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
on this thread and the last one both you’ve snapped at people who brought up Troy Davis.
Mino
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): Oh, maybe making it clear that innocence is no defense. I wouldn’t put that past him for a second.
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@eemom: No, I snapped at someone on the other thread who made a bullshit comment trying to make people feel guilty.
Anya
@Raven (formerly stuckinred): What’s more to say about Elizabeth Warren’s candidacy that hasn’t been said already? We’ve all remarked about how awesome she is, many times. We’ve also mentioned her pitch perfect performance. I guess a potentially innocent man on death row does not warrant any further discussion, specially since the latest development.
JPL
@Mino: Thomas won’t blink an eye because he grew up and Savannah and folks like Davis are an embarrassment to him. (at least that is what I think his reaction will be)
DonkeyKong
Does anybody here get the feeling that Halperin used to pants himself in middle school?
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
Ha, another Warren thread. Take it up with the management.
Mnemosyne
@MikeJ:
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well, yeah, a 2016 presidential run is kinda predicated on success in the Senate, what with the “Warren for Senate in 2012” part of the statement.
Of course, being an Obot, my definition of success in the Senate for Warren is “acting a lot like Franken or Brown” and not “taking hostages on the floor of the Senate until they dissolve the banks.”
Meredith
I get a little scared to post here because you guys fight so much, but I am trying to learn and you make me laugh a lot. That said, I’ve watched Elizabeth Warren on Rachel Maddow frequently and I always thought she was so intelligent and compelling that this video doesn’t surprise me. She has obviously given this run for office a lot of thought and is prepared for it. I find her inspiring, articulate, and informed. The stunned faces of that panel of media hacks says it all.
General Stuck
Dispatch from the GOP clown tent!
They are taking up, right where George Bush left off with the GOP crime syndicate/
Raven (formerly stuckinred)
@Anya: Well, I’m waiting.
General Stuck
More good news from the ACA front
AA+ Bonds
It’s high time the left tapped university faculty again. They’ve often been the left’s top people in tough races throughout the last century or so, and when you pull someone like Warren, she knows how to schmooze, and just as importantly, she knows how to make opponents look stupid.
The way to get rid of the stigma there is the same as organized labor: the Democrats need to tell anyone who talks about the ivory tower, “fuck you, this person knows plenty and I dare you to take us on.”
aisce
@ anya
just take a lesson from (guh) general stuck and post about whatever you want, whenever you want. is this really worth crying about?
Jenny
Barnicle also writes a for a clownish right wing Murdoch paper, The Boston Herald.
Here’s some of they’re handy work, calling Romney a commie.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/comrade.JPG
eemom
Thomas is irrelevant. They need 5 votes to grant a stay and I seriously doubt that anybody expects Thomas to be the tie-breaker on the side of humanity.
They only need 4 votes to grant an appeal — which, of course, would be useless if there’s no stay.
This is one of those days I am so very proud to be an officer of the court.
Comrade Mary
They rejected the request for a stay of execution. Fuck, fuck, fuck.
Ken
@Baud (and also @General Stuck): I am still not sure why Boehner is speaker. Despite my initial skepticism based on, oh, all the history and evidence, it’s become clear that the Tea Party really isn’t just a marketing campaign of the Republican party. Its members are willing to run against and vote against Republicans, and as this vote (again) shows, Tea Partiers in the House won’t even vote for the Republican bills.
So, Boehner’s party doesn’t control a majority of the House. I don’t think he even has the plurality, if the Tea Party is treated as a third party.
fasteddie9318
@joe73112:
Karl Rove’s cock?
SiubhanDuinne
@Raven (formerly stuckinred):
I guess I just figured there would be a thread to discuss it. I see that it’s come up a little bit as O/T comments as I make my way through various posts.
Comrade Mary
No dissents on the Troy Davis decision, says CBS.
SiubhanDuinne
@Comrade Mary:
Oh no. Fuck.
Lyrebird
@Meredith: I found your comment articulate and informed. =->
eemom
@Comrade Mary:
I don’t believe that there were no dissents. I don’t think they have access to that information.
Anyway, we are a fucked, sick, rotten to the core nation that deserves the place in the dustbin of history to which we are heading.
McGeorge Bundy
@Mnemosyne: Yes. A thousand—no, a million times yes. A billion times yes. I’ve never before donated money or time to any politician, but I will give money to the Warren campaign. And if she ever decides to run for president, I’ll volunteer for the campaign.
Comrade Mary
MSNBC says the execution is underway and we should hear of his death from officials soon. This is fucking awful …
— dead at 11:08. Done. Jesus Christ.
Robert
@Ohmmade: Direct quote on Elizabeth Warren from ABL’s site, “She rocks.”
AxelFoley
@opal:
ROFL
ericblair
@Ken:
Sure it was, until the lunatics took over the asylum. The problem in trying to co-opt crazy people as your cannon fodder is that, well, they’re crazy. Boehner’s a weak speaker dealing with a bunch of nutjobs who can’t be easily bought (guess those earmarks would’ve come in handy at this point?) and are too stupid, ideologically addled and wet behind the ears to negotiate with normally.
You know those people at work who you can’t deal with like normal people, they have to be “handled?” Try a roomful of them.
SiubhanDuinne
@Comrade Mary: I am so bitterly ashamed to live in Georgia and the US right now. What a fucking travesty this has been.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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I don’t know, the way she talks sounds a little too presidential, don’t you think?
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J
I don’t know if it gets mentioned often, but Barnicle is slimy in the extreme about his background, conveniently forgetting where he came from (Fitchburg, MA) so as to appear more urbane… except, of course, when it suits him in order to appear as a “tuff” workin’-class dude. He actually deigned to come back out to speak at an event a decade+ ago surrounding my high school graduation in Fitchburg (when specially invited) (Oh! I’ve got pix!), and ended his brief speech by letting the assembled crowd know that he had to run out early because he had tickets to see Pedro Martinez pitch against Roger Clemens at Fenway that night. Wotta guy.
harlana
Did anybody notice she took on GE there? To it’s minions, no less. Is it possible to smile with your chin on the floor at the same time, cuz that’s what I was doing.
harlana
And may I say the Scarborough twits unwittingly allowed her to shine, she blinded them with science. They looked a little “deer in headlights” – poor babies.
russell
I’m in with Warren for Senator for $100.
Mike Barnicle can kiss my ass. With all due respect, of course.
someofparts
nice concept
I’ll keep looking for the video somewhere that it runs
slippy
@Jenny:
Now I have an even greater incentive to get my finances under control so I can contribute to Warren’s Senate campaign.
If it gives Traitor Jane a hemorrhoid then I’m in like Flint.
kay
She’s great, but I’m afraid that if she pisses them off or embarrasses them, they’re never going to let her on tv again. They are, actually, the gatekeepers. If they don’t want her on, she’s not getting on.
Maybe they’re not attentive enough of the person they’re (supposedly) interviewing to read her expression. Barnicle certainly looks pleased with himself, like he’s completely unaware that her expression indicates she thinks he’s a babbling hack who’s talking to hear his own voice.
I’ll just comfort myself with their complete and utter self-absorption, and hope that they don’t catch on.
Julia Grey
THEY might not, but others will. She’s gonna be a phenomenon.
And since we’re on the subject, when did “not pissing off the wankers” become the first priority of Dem politicians?