Dibs on Murzuq!
Do we have any idea who will run Libya and how they plan to run it? Just asking.
Chat about whatever.
by Tim F| 94 Comments
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Dibs on Murzuq!
Do we have any idea who will run Libya and how they plan to run it? Just asking.
Chat about whatever.
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PsiFighter37
I think I’m drinking too much these days. Had 5 beers each of the past 3 days, and not for really any other reason than boredom. Time to find some new hobbies, methinks. Any tips for a Manhattanite?
Villago Delenda Est
With any luck at all, the Libyans will invite world-renowned Middle East and Islam expert M-C to advise them, and we’ll never hear from her again.
hamletta
Yeah. Would be nice to know it wasn’t “Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss.”
I guess that’s what Juan Cole is for.
Cat Lady
Ben Ali, Saleh, Gadhafi, Mubarak taken less than a year ago at the Arab-Africa summit. It’s all fun and games until shit gets real. Fucktards beware.
Omnes Omnibus
@PsiFighter37: Have a manhattan.
Lolis
@PsiFighter37:
Yoga. I do it so much it makes me not want to drink any alcohol. I’ve read that Kundalini Yoga is actually recommended as a way to combat addictions of all kinds. Not that I’m saying you are an addict. Yoga is good, clean fun. There are awesome deals for it, even in New York.
KCinDC
@hamletta, well, we’re at the right place to get Juan Cole’s insights.
Mark S.
@Villago Delenda Est:
She’d still find time for us cudlips.
Violet
@Cat Lady:
Wow. That’s kind of creepy.
Violet
@PsiFighter37:
Weather is nice this time of year in NYC. How about running or cycling or some other outdoor exercise activity. Central Park offers a lot of opportunities for that kind of thing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Lolis: I am about the least physically flexible person on the face of the planet. Even the thought of yoga causes me pain.
MobiusKlein
Without meaning to sound snarky,
Libyans.
Cat Lady
@Violet:
It looks like Gadhafi was thinking about putting rabbit ears behind Saleh’s head and stopped himself at the last second. Planning Lockerbie was so last decade.
Good riddance, asshole.
suzanne
I’m sure that Bellatrix Lestrange will come along soon to blah blah blah at us about “judeoxian democracy is incompatible with islam because of defense against proselytization!”. And I and everyone else will just respond with :::snoooore:::.
In all seriousness, I have been wondering that myself. I would like to think that all the western democracies helping the rebels have found whomever is “in charge” and begun drafting some sort of Constitution-ish document and planning for the transition.
Samara Morgan
the Muslim Brotherhood.
just like Egypt.
Jewish Steel
@Mark S.:
Truly, we are blessed.
suzanne
Hah, I just looked over at the “Send in the Clowns” post, and I was correct, word for word. (Not that she’s unpredictable or anything.) Girl really needs a hobby. Or a vibrator.
ETA: Shit. I say her name and she appears. Sorry, ya’ll.
Omnes Omnibus
@suzanne: From the Clowns thread.
LesGS
@suzanne: Origuy in the last Libya thread posted a link to the TNC’s draft constitution. Let’s see if I can do a link myself…
ETA: And no I can’t. Fortunately Omnis Omnibus can.
Origuy mentioned it codified rights for non-Arabs and non-Muslims.
Dennis SGMM
I hear that Achmed Chalabi is available.
Mark S.
I was thinking, what we need is a Return of the Gang of Six!
PaulW
There may be calls for a constitutional monarchy, based on the Senussi dynasty which Qaddafi overthrew in the first place. There were a sizable number of rebel forces and supporters who carried pictures of King Idris and the current claimant, Mohammed El-Senussi.
In terms of post-war stability, Libya has the advantages of a relatively small population but also decent income levels due to the vast oil fields stimulating their economy. The major disadvantages are that Libya has tribal factions which could lead to a post-Iraq situation of an unstable coalition government, and that same oil industry could well be exploited (Nigeria, anyone) to where income inequality can disrupt what could be a stable economy…
suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Gracias.
Omnes Omnibus
@Dennis SGMM: You know, maybe, just maybe, since they managed to form an interim government and it seems to be tossing Qadaffi out, this interim government thingy might be involved. And they might have been working on a draft constitution too.
gex
@Mark S.: Manic people have time for anything and everything. I say this because the speech (type) pattern reminds me of myself when I’m in a manic phase.
ETA: Although I never use the word “cudlips”.
Violet
Tim Pawlenty’s looking for work.
srv
I wonder where that Mission Accomplished banner is.
hamletta
@suzanne:
And that’s why the Good Lord and cleek gave us the pie filter.
Seriously. Why bother? I feel a tiny bit guilty not having ammunition to defend Our Malaysian Friend, but he seems to be doing well on his own; with grace and patience at which I can only marvel.
Suffern ACE
@Violet: Let’s export our missionary oligarchy. That way we can sniff our own panties, or something like that.
gex
@Suffern ACE: Isn’t that pretty much how the west messed up the rest of the world in the first place?
Violet
@Suffern ACE:
Maybe the missionaries can serve some nice cudlip casserole.
LesGS
@srv: It would be cool if we could find it and send it to the Libyan revolutionaries so they could hang it across the front of Qadaffi’s compound. It would *finally* not be a sickening visual anymore.
Suffern ACE
@PsiFighter37: B&H photo and the School of the Visual Arts to get you started on projects. Or become a life model. At least that will get you out of the apartment.
Dennis SGMM
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well, hello again. That was a joke. Get it? No, you didn’t, did you?
Until the interim government stops being interim, you can say whatever you want to and you’ll still be pissing in the wind.
I deeply and sincerely hope that Libya emerges from this with a democratic government that does not embrace Sharia law and that recognizes the rights of women and non-Islamic minorities. That would be a great step. Time will tell.
Mark S.
I just downloaded this book. I’ve really liked most of Kaplan’s other books. Has anyone read this one?
Steve Crickmore
The self annointed “king of the kings of Africa” allegedly had his daughter marry Idi Amin, the butcher of Uganda when Idi fled to Libya after being deposed in Uganda, because he wanted his adored Idi to be his son-in-law. Amin stated that Hitler “was right to burn six million Jews”. Sudanese president famously said “Gaddafi had a split personality, and that both parts were evil”.
Who will run Libya now? That is bit like asking who will run Germany after Hitler and the Third Reich have gone.
Valdivia
@Cat Lady:
That pic is so full of win.
Omnes Omnibus
@Dennis SGMM: I linked my comment to yours and probably shouldn’t have. I should just have aimed at Tim F. at the top. My bad.
Samara Morgan
@Dennis SGMM: LOL
i bet……there will be shariah in the constitution just like Egypt and Iraq.
meanwhile, hurray for Libya!
and death to alla you fucking crusaders.
Samara Morgan
@Violet: missionaries are the main ingredient in cudlip casserole.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@srv: He needs to find himself an aircraft carrier pronto.
opal
Baby steps.
Jared
These are the best comments I’ve seen so far on reddit..
On cynicism about Libya’s future
On Gaddafi
EDIT:blockquote fail
Violet
@Samara Morgan:
You’ve obviously never had cudlip casserole made by missionaries. Not what you’re thinking of.
Dennis SGMM
@Omnes Omnibus:
No worries. IF we don’t yell at each other from time to time here on BJ it means that we all went to sleep.
Each of us, in our own way, really cares about things or we wouldn’t be here. That leads to some fiery exchanges at times. That’s good; it means that we’re still alive and kicking.
themanintheguyfawkesmask
In the long run, all governments are interim.
soonergrunt
@Omnes Omnibus: answered you from the other thread, here.
General Stuck
Happy Birthday Elvis!
Dennis SGMM
@themanintheguyfawkesmask:
True. OTOH, the previous administration wasn’t even close to being interim enough for me.
Sarah Proud and Tall
@Samara Morgan:
How are you, my little carbuncle? I’ve noticed that this iteration of your being is falling down on her capitalization and punctuation.
Haven’t I told you that people won’t take you seriously if you sound like a ranty, uninformed e.e.cummings?
askew
So, now that Qaddafi is about to fall, who’s next – Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia?
OT – Why am I seeing jokes about Jane Hamsher and jail? What has she done now?
Roger Moore
@suzanne:
FTFY.
gocart mozart
@askew:
Something to do with cudlip.
Samara Morgan
@Sarah Proud and Tall: oh go away morzer….or dr. levenson or whoever has the sarah controls tonite.
idc.
@askew: syria
Yutsano
@Sarah Proud and Tall:
Hee.
@Samara Morgan:
:: snicker ::
JasonF
Here is the draft Constitution for Libya issued by the TNC, including a description of who will govern during the transitional stage:
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/libya/Libya-Draft-Constitutional-Charter-for-the-Transitional-Stage.pdf
Sarah Proud and Tall
@Samara Morgan:
Wooooooo! I’m the ghost of Anne Laurie, come to show you what your future would be like if you became a better person. Oooooooooohh!
eemom
meh. Y’all have moved threads and missed my cover of Jane Austen on toko-loko. And it was SO perfect. : (
Villago Delenda Est
@suzanne:
She’s like Kibo, only without the intelligence, wit, or any other redeeming quality.
burnspbesq
I am pleased to announce that the door of BigLaw did not hit me on the ass as I passed through it for what will hopefully be the last time.
I have office space effective September 1, and I have five engagement letters that have to go out tomorrow. Have to sign up for malpractice insurance tomorrow, figure out what I’m doing about COBRA, get business cards printed, and deal with a thousand other nit-picky things.
Anyone have any experience with Lexis/Nexis Firm Manager or Office 365, MSFT’s new cloud thingie? I think that being my own IT person is going to be my least favorite part of this deal.
eemom
@Samara Morgan:
oh and fer fucksake, dumbass, SARAH IS NOT MORZER. MORZER IS NOT SARAH.
Yes, I thought that too, at one time — but it was long ago debunked, reliably, by both parties, including Morzer, who split on this entire blog months ago — probably to no little measure due to the infestation of such blog by the likes of, well, you.
He wuz a good man. I misses him. : (
moe99
http://www.washington.edu/news/articles/uw-faculty-member-ali-tarhouni-named-finance-minister-by-libyan-opposition-1
This guy is from Seattle. Well liked by his students. Now the finance minister for the rebels.
suzanne
@eemom: I saw it. It made me to the smile thing with my mouth. And I don’t even like Jane Austen. Good on ya.
Villago Delenda Est
@Sarah Proud and Tall:
Hmmm, perhaps Joel Grey wearing hijab?
darkmatter
@Sarah Proud and Tall: Is it possible to love a fictional character any more than before?
gocart mozart
I nominate Samara Morgan as provisional head of Libya. She knows the mostest and if you don’t believe me just ask her.
Sarah Proud and Tall
@eemom:
I laughed, dear.
Yutsano
@Sarah Proud and Tall: I applauded. Also.
PS: hi!
Sarah Proud and Tall
@darkmatter:
You can but try, dear.
eemom
@burnspbesq:
That’s wonderful burnsy!! Multiple congrats!!
I can honestly say that — resigned as I am to the fact that I personally shall remain in thrall to Big Law for the rest of my godforsaken hour-billing days — my heart rejoices for your Emancipation.
As for the IT thingie, I know nothing substantive, but I do know there are lots of very smart folks who do that sort of thing on an independent contractoring, part-time basis for smaller practices.
Indeed, the reason I know this is that I was once employed by a semi-sole-practice firm (1 sole practitioner, 2 half-assed wannabes), whose IT services were performed by exactly such an independent contractor…..who was kind enough to have refrained from blackmailing me with a certain steamy, if admittedly ill-advised, personal e-mail correspondence I carried on whilst employed there. I do remember him fondly.
eemom
@suzanne:
you….you……don’t like Jane Austen….?
[hyperventilation]
[deep breath deep breath deep breath]
[restoration of speaking capacity]
but…..but…..why?
[quiet whimpering]
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@Jared: I was still following along about midway through the “years of combat” discussion until I got to… lava? blocks of stones????
Excellent.
gocart mozart
Get Your Fresh Mangos at the Corner grocer!
and from the comments
Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason
@darkmatter: How dare you call SP&T fictional! I met her when my grandmother had to go to Shady Pines herself. You have no idea how Violently Senile she can be.
soonergrunt
@eemom: I too, thought it was worth a chuckle or three.
suzanne
I prefer modern lit. It’s nothing personal.
Villago Delenda Est
@gocart mozart:
Cripes. The stupid, it burns!
These people honestly think that the US needs to conquer the world. We’re going to ram “liberty” down your throats, if necessary, until, in the name of the Blessed Exchequer, you are all our willing debt peons.
The last time a major power tried this, it got its ass kicked almost to the stone age.
AA+ Bonds
Well, they kidnapped and killed Younis and arrested Hifter, right? The people who did that. They run Libya.
Sarah Proud and Tall
@Brother Shotgun of Sweet Reason:
Haven’t you heard dear? I have loosed my closet doors and come out as proudly fictional.
I think I do remember you and your grandmother, though. Was she the sweet old thing who helped me put sugar in the gas tank of Michele’s campaign bus?
AA+ Bonds
@burnspbesq:
Congratulations.
Amir Khalid
@hamletta:
Your Malaysian Friend is flattered.
soonergrunt
@AA+ Bonds:
@burnspbesq:
Seconded!
burnspbesq
@AA+ Bonds:
Thanks.
Sorry to hear about your downgrade.
burnspbesq
@soonergrunt:
Haven’t seen you in a while. How you be, amigo?
soonergrunt
@burnspbesq: Holding together. Getting ready to go to bed because I have work in the morning. I love my job at the Department of Veterans’ Affairs. My heart is doing well. About as well as we can be hoped.
I really do have to go to bed, but I am loving watching the Libyan people grab their own future. I don’t know what will happen. Will Qaddafi escape into exile or will he be tried for his crimes or simply strung up? Will they create a democracy of some type or will a strong man rise? Will it completely degenerate into a civil war?
I love watching history happen in real time!
And again, congratulations on seizing your future!
Viva BrisVegas
Libyans. What NATO and the UN have given them is an opportunity, not a guarantee.
Whether they will be crazy or sane Libyans is yet to be decided. Of course pretty much the same can be said of the U.S. in 2012.
Sometimes I wish that Obama was just a bit more demonstrative. He should go out to one of those aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, put on a codpiece and flight suit, and in front of a banner that says “Suck on This”, grab his crotch and moondance.
After all the shit he took over Libya, he’s entitled.
Yutsano
@Viva BrisVegas:
The Republicans would come back from vacation to start impeachment proceedings. I shit you not. It would give them so much Angry Black Man ammunition the dog whistles would be heard on Mars. But it might be worth it if it gave the fat fuck Rush his fatal heart attack.
Amir Khalid
@Viva BrisVegas:
The guy who wouldn’t spike the football after he got Osama bin Laden? Grandstanding is not his style, as you know. And Obama was always careful not to make this America’s fight against Qaddafi, to let it remain the Libyans’ fight. So this one’s not his victory to celebrate either.
ETA: Maybe the guy who plays him on Saturday Night Live could do it. That would be cool.
AxelFoley
@Jared:
I think I did this whole sequence in Halo. Or was it Gears of War?
Cacti
@Dennis SGMM:
We already have a Libyan version on the CIA payroll.
Meet Khalifa Hifter resident of Langley, VA for the past 20 years, and even his best friend wasn’t sure how he supported himself financially.
Kane
I was scared for a moment when I heard that the rebels had taken “the square.” I thought that they had captured Romney.
A Humble Lurker
@AxelFoley:
I think it was Mario.
Samara Morgan
@eemom:
why?
were you his spanky nurse too?
old ppl community sex is just wierd.
Swellsman
I’m holding out for Maud’dib as the new Libyan leader. He’s the only one that inspires any confidence in me.