The Norwegian media believes that this 1500 page manifesto and video were posted by the fundamentalist Christian nutcase mass murderer yesterday before he set off on his self-appointed tasks.
I’ll freely admit that I’ve had a couple of martinis but I’ll be goddamned if I can make heads or tails of this pile of gibberish. Apparently, Multiculturalist Marxist Political Correctness is suffocating Europe, which will soon be “EUSSR”, so we need to blow the place up and murder kids to save it. The video features images like this:
As is obvious from this illustration, multiculturalism can transform Billy Jeffy from the Family Circus into Che Guevara. It would be laughable if it hadn’t spawned the sick shit this useless fucker perpetrated yesterday.
NobodySpecial
Whenever I see stuff like this from guys like the Unabomber or whomever, the two things I curse most are the lack of real education on politics and the 5-minute ADD media that can’t be bothered to do better than ‘he said/she said’. That’s because usually this stuff turns out to be a misheard ans misapplied mish-mash of TeeVee News and some version of world history I don’t recognize.
Linda Featheringill
I saw a headline and blurb that quoted this murder as saying that what he did was “atrocious but necessary.”
We’ve heard that before – a long time before Al Qaeda was even thought of. And yes, I’m going Godwin on you.
There’s nothing new under the sun.
Klaus
A rather good diary at Daily Kos on the subject. The short of the long is that the Cultural Marxists (the politically correct) are complicit and instrumental in destroying Europe. I’m sure you Americans recognise that from your own politics. The terrorist just took this notion to its logical conclusion.
There’s also a ‘Multiculti Hunting Permit’ in the video, strongly inspired by the ‘Liberal Hunting License’ seen in the US.
Kane
I never trusted Billy. Damn Ginger-kids and their Gingervitus!
The Dangerman
Mass murderer? Of course.
Nutcase? Clearly.
Fundamentalist Christian? Just as with Islam, religion doesn’t have anything to do with it. Dude’s a whack job.
Can’t say I’ve read much about it, but doesn’t buying 6 tons of fertilizer (shit, that would make one massive bomb) get you on someone’s list? I don’t think his “farm” was that big….
…and why does it take 90 minutes for the Police to get to the Island? They don’t heave helicopters?
Montysano
White people good. Brown people bad.
Corner Stone
You do understand that Billy was lost years ago on a family circus vacation in the Rain Forest? Grandpa, Not Me and Free Market ghosts couldn’t protect him.
There’s no telling what he had to do to survive after his family gave up on him.
It’s kind of fucked up you’re using him as an icon at this point.
beltane
Isn’t this the same exact type of gibberish that made Glenn Beck a millionaire? Is it any different than all the “Oh Noez!! Sharia Law is taking over West Sh*tstain, TN!! Help the poor persecuted Christians of America!!!!
And finally, how is this gibberish any more nonsensical than the gibberish that flows from the mouths of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann and 90% of the Republican caucus?
different church-lady
Actually, I think the part where the martinis are having a detrimental effect is the part where you’re trying to find any sense in the rantings of a violent lunatic in the first place.
Klaus
It’s not.
Cacti
Does anyone think this fellow wouldn’t have been rolling out the red carpet for his German overlords back in 1940?
Jonny Scrum-half
“Before” looks more like Jeffy to me.
DFS
Cacti: Shit, this guy’s spiritual grandfather (give or take a generation) actually tried to roll out the red carpet for the Nazis. Look up a guy named Vidkun Quisling sometime.
beltane
@Cacti: The Germans may not have been racially pure enough for him so it’s hard to say.
Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)
Uh, mix….That’s Jeffy, not Billy. The former is the ginger, the latter a towhead.
Pedantically…
trex
As is obvious from this illustration, multiculturalism can transform Billy from the Family Circus into Che Guevara. It would be laughable if it hadn’t spawned the sick shit this useless fucker perpetrated yesterday.
It would also be laughable if it weren’t the same cartoonish, hyperbolic reasoning we see from wingnuts every day in our country that passes the media filter as legitimate discourse.”Sesame Street is leftist propaganda! Tinky-Winky is turning children gay! TV cops are now effete, elitists who are turning our men into wimps! Kite-flying is turning our children into decadent monsters!”
Wait, that last one was a Taliban complaint. But I guess these sorts of howls of cultural outrage are pretty interchangeable amongst the modernity-challenged.
beltane
Che Guevara looks awful in that picture. Even worse than that picture of his corpse. I think the message being sent is that multiculturalism will turn your child into Jerry Garcia.
Liberty60
Whats really disturbing is that absent the massacre, this video could be played to thunderous applause on any Wingnut blogsite.
The right wing is in fact spoiling for a war, and any ideology will do, as long as it has the ingredients of Chtistianity, Caucasian and market worship.
Cacti
That nice fellow whose last name became a synonym for traitor and puppet of foreign interests?
me
Or possibly Karl Marx with a Che Guavara T-shirt.
Anya
How’s his ranting about multiculturalists any different than Newt Gingrich’s claim that Obama and Democrats are trying to impose a “secular-socialist” agenda on the America?
I don’t have teevee but did someone gather the usual suspects (Ayan Hersi Ali, Daniel Pipe, Geert Wilders and the rest) to make sense of how Christianity is responsible for this massacre.
Nutella
The 1500 pages can be summarized like this: “Look what you made me do!”
fasteddie9318
The heartbreaking thing is that if those horrible brown people hadn’t taught this poor man how to do this kind of thing, he never would have turned it this way.
mistermix
I fixed the Billy/Jeffy thing, then accidentally changed the publication date of the post. Sorry about that, it’s all better now.
different church-lady
Bombs from Bullshit
The Oklahoma City Bomb
was made
from hate
and rage
hate
rage
and about one hundred pounds
of chemicals
and fertilizer
Chemicals
and fertilizer?
If
we had only known
that we could make…
(Chemicals? Fertilizer?)
Bombs from bullshit
we would have blowed up
with the first lie
There are so many
unstable compounds
out there
You never know
what combination of things
might
set them off.
Boom
Boom
BOOM!
The thing I love about this piece is the subtext that the real bomb is the person who’s saturated with “fertilizer” of hate propaganda.
Citizen_X
It’s exactly the same. Especially considering that the very next line is, inevitably, “The Muslims have already turned Europe into part of their Caliphate, and we’re next on their list!”
Also, too: he admires the Teabaggers, and didn’t he post on Pam Atlas’ blog?
ETA: You gotta admit, Jeffy does make an awfully cute Karl Marx, doesn’t he?
R. Porrofatto
Look at his manifesto. He has passages by Baron Bodissey of Gates of Vienna, and he excoriates Charles Johnson for not being nice to Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, among others. This guy is their rabid anti-multiculturalist islamophobic right-wing wet dream come to life. He’s also a raving loon who thinks he’s a Knight Templar trying to start his own version of Helter Skelter by shooting liberal children. But it’s the right-wing bigoted nutjobs, and their extremist, incendiary hate speech seeking the ears of just someone like this, who own this guy. I’m just surprised something on this scale didn’t happen sooner.
beltane
Speaking of hateful gibberish, see how Erick Ericsson rises to the occasion.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/23/997989/-OOPS!-Redstate-Backpedals-After-Blaming-Muslims-for-Oslo-Attack?detail=hide
fasteddie9318
I note that Jennifer Rubin has written a new blog post about how she was wrong about the brown hordes having been responsible for Oslo, but that the fact that they weren’t involved is central to her point. And on it goes…
Corner Stone
@R. Porrofatto:
Damn. Never knew Jeffy was so fucked up.
FlipYrWhig
Or, in keeping with the Family Circus theme, “Not Me!”
gnomedad
@Liberty60:
This. What will they tell themselves when they see this? Guy had the right ideas but just took it a little too far?
scav
@Citizen_X:
I’m not even going to bother with the multiculturalism infection, I’m going to sign up as a Marxist simply because I want him on my t-shirt.
Calouste
Grover Norquisling?
CaseyL
The news of the world coming apart this weekend is just… odd. The US is about to get busted down to 3rd rate power status; a RW psychopath commits mass murder in Norway; and Amy Winehouse dies. Two of the three are no surprise whatsoever. The terrorist attack in Norway is most upsetting because it is a complete and total surprise.
I’ve been thinking that the idea of the world getting smaller because our communication technology is so amazing might be completely off the mark. We know more about what has happened, and we know it more quickly, but that has not translated into being able to prevent anything, or discuss cause and effect rationally, or even how to help most effectively. I think our ability to communicate so much so quickly has given us an illusory sense of small-worldness.
Adam
The comic in question is by Daryl Cagle, making fun of the conservative response to Obama’s school speech
http://www.cagle.com/news/ObamaSchoolSpeech/main.asp
I guess the racists have appropriated it as a wholly unironic bit of propaganda :-[
Jewish Steel
My new definition.
different church-lady
@ Jewish Steel: if we can ever do the same with “ass” and “hole in the ground” the internets will be ours in perpetuity.
Dee Loralei
@Calouste: That was a most beautiful pun, ma’am/sir. Kudos to you.
PeakVT
Since someone brought up America’s greatest enemy, here he is being interviewed (rather poorly) on NPR this afternoon.
Rome Again
Every night I am on my route, I pass a vehicle with a bumper sticker that reads “Sensitivity is Killing America”. I often wonder if he’s got a cache of guns and how long before he blows.
jl
Didn’t hear how high the death toll was in the Norway attacks until late this morning, and my mind still reels whenever I think about it.
But, I was always suspicious of Family Circus, and doubtful it would do anybody any good, though does look like there are a few fans here among the BJ commenters. FWIW I vote for Jerry Garcia.
Read the translated article from Norway, and the guy was clearly nutty, as well as a right wing extremist. I guess the reactionaries will trot out that excuse (Edit: namely, insanity). But his quote would indicate he is not legally insane by US definition.
Racist nationalism is sick ignorant garbage.
Scott
I think I’ll be referring to Pam Gellar as “proprietor of the pro-white-terrorism clearinghouse Atlas Shrugs” from now on…
jl
@39 Well, Grover Norquist is not a racist and not a nationalist as far as I know. I think he would eagerly try to starve and drown any government anywhere anytime that did not devote itself to the interests of his corporate paymasters, without regard to race, ethnicity, creed.
I have heard the guy spout the most outrageous hate filled defamatory nonsense on the TV box, though. Like Breitbart, I think he is not right in the head, but not legally insane by US legal definition.
scav
@FlipYrWhig:
OK, now it’s entered the twilight zone with sunspots in spades with Family Circus taking over the memespace because, unlike the true denizen of BJ I cannot tell Jeffy from Billy even upon repeated exposure (if I even had it) and my brain somehow dragged up Not Me in the Mutation of jihad thread somewhere near the bottom (must have been because it was just before RoundTheBender showed up). Mental parasites. I’m just going to go be seriously freaked somewhere. Well, once I stop giggling insanely at the thought of Grover Norquisling which comes instantly freighted with the vision of something severely deviant involving snorkling equipment.
hamletta
I haven’t read the manifesto yet, but I’ve seen the video.
Oy! And I say that as a Lutheran. Vlad the Impaler as Christian hero?
Breivik admired the Tea Party, but eschewed American involvement in his “movement,” because we’re all multiculti and shit. And we don’t have a welfare state.
But it was all about the Caliphate, the Gates of Vienna, and the great Crusaders.
Kinda slick production, but there are long, wordy, manifesty title cards that don’t stay on screen long enough for you to read them. Lots of repeated stills of angry Muslims with thick, angry beards.
Music very poorly chosen: the “Hope” section starts off with cellos. The cello is not a happy instrument.
Punchy
Read the Yahoo article on this, and this stunned me:
Norway’s toughest sentence is 21 years in jail.
That’s their toughest! In the US, a black/hispanic guy gets that for 3 over the limit and two picograms of hash stuck to his car tire. Wonder if they’ll make an exception and give this guy life. Seems like a complete fuckhead.
clayton
Jeffy?
Do you mean this Jeffy who has spread both anti muslim and anti Obama hate?
No, right?
Davis X. Machina
I’m not sure I’m psyched about sharing a planet with all these guys who sound like Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda, but who also have access to explosives and/or automatic weapons.
Carl Nyberg
What would Paul write in a letter to the Norwegians?
Dee Loralei
MSNBC.com says first same sex couples have been married in NY. So good on them, and Mazel Tov to the happy couples. Congrats.
clayton
Didn’t someone here used to defend Jeffy?
wrb
At least he’s identified a vanguard to follow: the tea party
Comrade Luke
AMC’s advertising Mob Week, August 1-7.
Hosted by Rudy Giuliani.
hamletta
Carl Nyberg, good question. Safe to say it wouldn’t include a lot of punctuation.
How ’bout: Do not let your love of Christ overwhelm your love of your neighbor.
Early Christians had to go along to get along and fit into their societies. A lot of what people react to in Paul’s writing was advice to specific communities to keep their heads down.
DaddyJ
What strikes me odd about that cartoon is: he’s calling on the West to rise against Marxism? Where is there a functioning Marxist revolutionary movement? The Soviets and Chinese are completing their transformation into non-ideological kleptocracies, Castro’s got a foot in the grave. Capitalism won, but its most passionate fanboys seem determined to celebrate by setting the place on fire.
gocart mozart
Quick quiz.
Norwegian terrorist or Erik Erickson?
Amir_Khalid
@gocart mozart:
Is the correct answer “Yes”?
jl
@53 thanks for the excerpt, but it sickens me to read that BS. Partly because I have spoken with Swedes and Norwegians who are concerned, or angry, or frustrated, about immigration, and what they perceive to be disrespect to their national heritage by both immigrant communities, and their own governments. And I have spoken with far more who are concerned about their countrymen who are concerned or angry or frustrated.
I don’t want to add to the disrespect, and some of the PC stuff that has happened on and off there over the last ten years would be difficult for even multicultural me to swallow, but most of it is silly symbolic stuff, that actually I do not give one rats ass about, like restrictions on flag displays for playing national anthem. (Edit: maybe that last bit is uncalled for wrt to other countries. Really I would welcome such policies here in the US, but then I am a liberal cosmopolitan…)
so, I don’t want to show disrespect, especially in another country, but there, as here, my attitude is that it is all BS. Romantic nationalism is just as bogus there as it is here or in the UK or anywhere. A fricken national identity for Scandinavian countries? Yeah, OK, a BS myth that goes back to mid nineteenth century when they decided to quit with all the pan Scandinavian unions and royal family dynasty deals that combined and recombined those countries for almost a thousand years.
Stress now is because the new immigrants, (and the presence of big immigrant communities is obvious) look different and languages more different than previous immigrant and refugee communities.
But all that means is the old Norwegian/Swede/Danish/Finnish ethnic strifes and gripes kind of fade into the background in comparison.
It is all total BS in my book. Even more nonsensical in UK and US, though.
jl
@57 I dunno. My answer is also ‘yes’. Will come back to see if I got it right and win a prize.
Linda Featheringill
Jeffy from Family Circus is terribly cute. But I agree with the folks who think the After picture is more like Jerry Garcia.
The other option, Karl, was raised in a bourgeois household and probably never dressed like that. He generally wore the 19th Century equivalent of a suit and a tie. The bourgeois uniform.
And besides, Karl died some 35 years before the October Revolution and was not associated with the hammer and sickle as symbols.
But the child is just so cute, I guess it doesn’t matter.
jl
@61 Well, the Jerry Che Marx person is cute too. If Family Circle had some stuff like that in it, I might read the bland boring thing once in awhile.
Reality Check
He also rants against the “libertarianism” and “selfishness” of “American conservatives” and says that all the jobs in the west are “being shipped overseas” and that free trade agreements should be “abolished”.
It would fit right in on MSNBC.
Davis X. Machina
@Carl Nyberg: Is that First Norwegians or Second Norwegians?
Nic
“Couldn’t be religion, he’s just crazy” say the apologists. You have to admit – there’s a clear fucking pattern here. You don’t need to be crazy to fly airplanes into buildings, you just really need to believe what you’ve been told.
The church ran into a problem in the dark ages — people realized that heaven sounded so much better than the reality they faced in life — suicide rates went through the roof, and with those deaths went viable labor/income for the church. Suicide was then ‘decided’ to cause your soul to burn in hell.
Religion and credulity are at fault here, IMHO.
DaddyJ
The obsession with Marxism has me bemused. Where is there a functioning Marxist revolutionary movement anymore? The Russians and the Chinese are completing their transformation into non-ideological kleptocracies. Castro’s got a foot in the grave. By “cultural Marxism” does this guy simply mean “anybody that’s to the left of me?”
Reality Check
@DaddyJ
The guy is incoherent. He also rants against “globalised capitalism”, free trade, libertarianism, Margaret Thatcher, etc while also railing against Marxism.
wrb
Nah, Jerry Garcia never looked at all like that. Jeffey grew up to be school administrator who still listens to Bread. It is like the technical, art history, difference between the cute and the sublime (which invokes terror, according to Burke)
And Jerry would never have been caught dead in a Che tee-shirt. He hated the politicos.
Comrade Kevin
There’s an ad appearing on this page now that says:
Creepy how talking about this Norwegian terrorist brings out ads like that.
Reality Check
And:
And:
Yeah, he would fit right in at a Tea Party!
jl
Two cheeful things before I leave:
Now GOP wants two debt ceiling installments. Looks like the GOP House leadership is going to take this to at least the brink, maybe over it, and see what happens. I think they are running on vapors in producing plausible reasons for not compromising, and public will see the con, even through the veil of the corporate media ‘balance’ lie.
New dispute threatens debt limit negotiations
By Alister Bull and Donna Smith | Reuters – 2 hrs 2 mins ago
‘ The latest flare-up centered around a Republican plan being proposed behind closed doors calling for two installments of debt limit increases and deficit reduction
(snip)
Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, said that “a two-step process is inevitable.” He also reiterated that a default “is not an option.” ‘
http://news.yahoo.com/dispute-threatens-debt-limit-negotiations-014542201.html
And here is a hymn to English Nationalism from a miserable no good multicultural cosmopolitan, the one man most responsible for destroying poor England
Excerpt from True Bred Englishman
by Daniel Defoe
from year MDCCIII (which has kind of ring to it)
The Romans first with Julius Cæsar came,
Including all the nations of that name,
Gauls, Greeks, and Lombards, and, by computation,
Auxiliaries or slaves of every nation.
With Hengist, Saxons; Danes with Sueno came,
search of plunder, not in search of fame.
Scots, Picts, and Irish from the Hibernian shore,
And conquering William brought the Normans o’er.
All these their barbarous offspring left behind,
The dregs of armies, they of all mankind;
Blended with Britons, who before were here,
Of whom the Welsh ha’ blessed the character.
From this amphibious ill-born mob began
That vain ill-natured thing, an Englishman.
The customs, surnames, languages, and manners
Of all these nations are their own explainers:
Whose relics are so lasting and so strong,
They ha’ left a shibboleth upon our tongue,
By which with easy search you may distinguish
Your Roman-Saxon-Danish-Norman English.
http://www.luminarium.org/editions/trueborn.htm
wrb
Yea, he’s using it like Fox uses So ci alist..
Obama, and parking meeters, all Marxist in a country in which the S word still carries positive connotations.
Reality Check
More money quotes:
More:
Reality Check
Gotta love this too:
Sounds like Ed Schultz or Naomi Klein.
DaddyJ
DaddyJ would like to thank the Department of Redundancy Department and its apparatchik, the Fake Request Deletion button.
Anya
@gocart mozart: Norwegian terrorist?
jl
As for Marxism, as I pointed out in thread yesterday, Norway is Marxist in the same way Alaska is.
Big oil produces big revenue, and government captures some to spread around a small population.
IIRC, the great romantic national heritage of Norwegians and Swedes from the early to mid nineteenth century was grinding agricultural poverty and later nascent grinding working class industrial poverty which drove very very many abroad. Like to Lake Woebegone.
Both countries solved that problem between latter half of nineteenth century to post WWII was social democracy.
These nuts are railing about the forces that kept them from being dirt poor peasants toiling away with sunburnt faces all through the very very very long summer days, and damn near starving through the winter.
Any recent EU developments that are a bureaucratic pain the ass, or bankers capturing running the ECB for their own selfish benefit doesn’t change that, and you can’t fix it by hating on immigrants and shooting 80 kids at a summer camp, or spreading hateful fantasies.
PS> Hope I did not offend any Scandinavians here.
DaddyJ
Kudos to those of you wading through the 1500 page sewer. Sounds like the guy’s real motivation boils down to “Purity of Essence.”
Comrade Kevin
@Anya: No, that’s Erick ibn Erick.
jl
Oops misstyped the title of the DeFoe poem.
should be
True Born Englishman.
Svensker
@ jl
Nope. My grandfather remembered his mother crying when her bread wouldn’t rise because there was so little flour in it and so much ground tree bark instead. They left Sweden because they were hungry.
FlipYrWhig
@ jl : Speaking of synchronicities (like scav was above with “Not Me”), I just posted excerpts from The True Born Englishman at Roy Edroso’s yesterday.
Nic
My favorite random quote from the text so far:
pg. 370. Cute: ‘the European world (US/Europe)’. Just above is a image with the text:
As has been said in this thread already: ‘they’d fit right in with the tea party’
Yutsano
@Reality Check: Excuse me a second…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
Okay I’m good.
300baud
@dangerman>:
Incorrect. Islam and Christianity don’t have anything to do with it. Fundamentalist religion of both sorts has plenty to do with it.
Insane conclusions and insane actions are not proof of insanity. There are plenty of people whose brains are organically sound that have just been feed a lot of crazy beliefs. Fundamentalist religions are a major source of nuttery in the world.
MikeJ
@300baud:
This is true. There are plenty of sane christians, even if they believe stupid stuff. There are plenty of sane muslims, even if they believe stupid stuff. It’s the “I’m right,, you’re wrong, and you deserve to suffer eternally because of it” mindset that does it.
Nic
(pg. 820)
bwahahaha: “No Islamic atheists allowed” Also too: “No girls”
Dr. Squid
But he’s a leftist. Fox News said so.
MikeJ
Off topic, but good news: Niagara Falls.
Slooooowly I turn….Step by step, inch by inch…..
Cain
I have no choice.. I must subject you to endless oppression of family circus. I present to you “Dysfunctional Family Circus” I used to spend side splitting hours at this site in the mid 90s
It got closed down but the archives (incomplete ) remains:
http://dfc.furr.org/
Cain
Cain
@mikej
Hah, great 3 stooges ref!
Yutsano
@Cain: Gary Larson noted in one of his Far Side anthologies that one of the newspapers he syndicated to used to put his cartoon next to Dennis the Menace. And they would occasionally mix up which caption went where. He also noted that a few times this happened, both cartoons were vastly improved. You just reminded me of that. :)
hamletta
Via Crooks & Liars, this gorgeous Charles P. Pierce story that starts with the MLK Day bomb in Spokane and evolves to speak about the crazy and do some reasoning why.
Publishing date: July 11, 2011.
Kyle
Reality Check
Yeah, he would fit right in at a Tea Party!
Perhaps you’re right, he’s more like the Minutemen.
They’re known for indiscriminate violence and racism, too.
Still not a leftist, dickhead.
JGabriel
Breivik played World of Warcraft. He had two characters; their id’s were Conservative and Conservatism. From Kotaku:
Breivik also used WoW to hide his terrorist planning from his friends and acquaintances:
[Speechless.]
.
Calouste
On the BBC, there’s shooting, so let’s bring up muslims :
__
different church-lady
@ 96: Clearly to the British, all shootings taking place in Texas are the same.
hamletta
Calouste, I wouldn’t blame that on the BBC. It’s most likely a wire service report, probably AP, since they’re the only ones left.
Comrade Kevin
@JGabriel: Oh shit, time for me and Cole to hide!
hamletta
Sorry, Reuters. Wait a minute: Reuters?!
God help us all.
Yutsano
@hamletta:
Reuters called just to say, “O HAI!”
scav
@Calouste: and hamletta: That is seriously weird, especially as I swear I saw near variants of that only without the two errant paragraphs earlier both at the Guard and the NYT. Have Knights Templar infiltrated the news feeds?
ETA: Guardian’s is from PA and is clean.
Yutsano
@hamletta: BTW you aren’t crazy. I did have a comment regarding Reuters up, but you corrected yourself and I decided not to be that guy, so I killed it.
Calouste
@hamletta:
Reuters doesn’t mention the other Texas shooting, and if you read the link it is obvious it has been through some editing. Just an example:
“‘It appears to be a domestic situation, at this point,’ Reuters news agency quoted police spokesman Steve Dye as saying.”
Yutsano
@Calouste: CNN doesn’t mention the Fort Hood shooting at all. Methinks someone is pushing a meme here.
Chet
@ Reality Check (#67):
Oh, I dunno. You can find a similar nexus of beliefs among some of our own paleocons. If you’re the blood/soil/volk/tribe type, it’s probably inevitable that you’ll see Big Business as posing as much of a threat as Big Government to your cherished way of life.
scav
AP is clean based on what I see at the NYT and I really want to know why reality is messing with my head by giving me PA (Press Association) and AP (Associated Press) as alternate sources on the same story at this hour of the night. Also, busy night for gunfights: one at another party in FL (9 wounded) and in WA (11 wounded, no party involved for a change). sigh.
Donald G
I wouldn’t recognize any of those names if it weren’t for Instapundit and the other former big names allied with Pajamas Media linking approvingly and pimping their posts all those years ago. It’s clear now that Instalanches have given blogospheric credibility to nutters who are objectively pro-fascist and pro-genocide and who have acolytes willing to plan for nine years before acting upon their murderous impulses in furthering their holy cause against “treasonous” liberals, multiculturalists, and Muslims.
What hath the Blogfather wrought?
Glenn Reynolds and Roger Simon should be examining their consciences this weekend.
Mjaum
@108
“Glenn Reynolds and Roger Simon should be examining their consciences this weekend.”
Actually, with Obama claiming (and acting on) that inciting to terrorism is an act worthy of death by drone without trial, I am wondering if we Norwegians can’t claim that these idiots are inciting terrorism and have them extradited?
It’d be nice. We could have a barbecue. Bring your own ladder, sort of thing.
asiangrrlMN
@300baud: Word. It’s not religion, per se–it’s the zealot adherence to any ideologue plus a crazed mind.
@Mjaum: My thoughts are with you and your countrypeople. What a horrible horrible tragedy.
Yutsano
@Mjaum:
I find this a fascinating method of getting around your no death penalty statute. Unfortunately I don’t recommend this course. We have a tendency to miss.
Ron
@DaddyJ: You haven’t seen the crazies on the right accuse Obama and the Democrats of being Marxists? It’s nowhere near reality-based, but it’s out there.
Comrade Nimrod Humperdink
@ hamletta
Thanks for the link to the Pierce essay. I live in Melbourne, Australia now but I grew up in Spokane and the story of this bomb has been something that’s lingered in the back of my mind since the day it was found. I remembered being shocked, horrified, and yet, unsurprised. I still am. The most interesting detail in that whole piece, to me, was that the three city maintenance people that found the bomb and reported it were canned. He appears to speculate that it was because they touched the bag. If that’s actually true, then it caps off a disturbing story with a piece of Helleresque absurdity that makes all this rage-filled flailing around that much more unsurprising. Shocking, horrifying, deeply saddening, and yet… I’m somehow unable to be surprised by it. It’s a strange mix. You exclaim ‘Holy shit!’ and call your family and get as many details as you can, and yet, there’s that cynical piece of you that grew up there, that knows the area and the people and the situation that the country at large is in, and you just feel resigned to the fact that you know that there are people desperate enough and angry enough and capable enough to inflict their rage on their corner of the world with a ruthless grandiosity that soils everything it touches, directly and indirectly.
Wareq
All these Nazi cuckoo Teabagger cracks are BS. I can’t remember who said it, and I think it was about a president of Haiti, but the line that comes to mind is “He is not a fascist. He is a pure Bourbon.” Although all the peevish nitpicking about lifestyle changes since the mythologized 1950s does remind me of the kind of splenetic pissantry that fuels the passions of so much right-wing commentary across the web and on both sides of the Pond, and the relentless harping on the cultural Marxism of intellectuals stepping into the void left by the collapse of economic Marxism looks like he just copied and pasted a whole David Horowitz screed. But no – not a 20th-century fascist, or a 20th/21st century US wingnut. This guy wanted to go worse than medieval on everything the world is now – he wanted to go early modern.
SgaileBeairt
Pharyngula has the antifeminist fertility cult quotes:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/a_glimpse_into_the_deranged_mi.php
gocart mozart
Reality Check @63
It would fit right in on MSNBC.
Chyron HR
Right-wing terrorist attacks the IRS? LIBERALS DID IT.
Right-wing terrorist tries to assassinate a Democratic politician? HE WAS ONE OF THOSE MIEN KAMPF-READING LEFTIES.
Right-wing terrorist kills a hundred “multiculturalists” because Pam Geller told him to? HE’D FIT RIGHT IN ON MSNBC.
This must be some of that “personal responsibility” I’ve heard so much about.
gocart mozart
WordPress fucked my blockquote.
Frankensteinbeck
Hmmm. No, I think Reality Check is *slightly* correct. This guy doesn’t seem like a Tea Partier, except in his insane anti-liberal stance (admittedly about 50% of the movement). The Tea Party is such a very local phenomenon. This guy’s just a bog standard cultural conservative, and where they stand on free trade is across the board and not relevant. Of course, the Tea Party is just a part of the cultural conservative movement. A part this guy really admires.
gocart mozart
I suppose reality check will now say that the mad shooter would fit right in at CNN, QED.
Cat Lady
SgaileBeairt:
More confirmation of my theory that at the root of every terrorist’s motivations of every ideological stripe is not politics but sexual inadequacy. I’ve been convinced for a long time that every fucked up thing that happens – from terrorist acts to genocidal wars to Wall Street malfeasance – are proxies for actual dick measuring.
arguingwithsignposts
The google ad i just got on this post was for “how liberalism destroys people and nations” by fred sauer.
gocart mozart
The other 50% is merely anti-democrat.
Frankensteinbeck
gocart mozart:
Right, and they don’t have Democrats in Norway! Nor do they have the same constitution, so he doesn’t say spout the correct tribal shibboleths. And the Tea Party does try to pretend that they have anything to do with libertarianism, which is kind of funny because ‘I don’t like taxes’ is the only thing they agree on.
I mean, this guy is a modern conservative through and through. This is a slightly more erudite Rush Limbaugh episode. But I wouldn’t describe him as a ‘Tea Partier’. ‘All Tea Partiers are conservative’ =/= ‘All conservatives are Tea Partiers’.
DaddyJ
So what’s the idyllic culture this guy thought he could revive by slaughtering 15-year-olds? Longboats raiding the British coast?
Also, can any Norwegians speak to where a Norwegian Labor party fits on the political spectrum? I’m assuming left-wing or social democrat-ish.
It sounds like one can cherry pick stuff from his manifesto and make pie from it. But the tell is, who did he think deserved to be murdered?
dslak
For Europeans, the common meaning of ‘libertarian’ is more akin to ‘neo-liberal’ than it is to the Cato/Reason type found here in the US. Given that neo-liberalism is a predominant strain of both major political parties in the US, and the preferred policy agenda for major, multinational corporations, Breivik isn’t mistaken when he identifies most American conservatives as buying into the capitalist part of that agenda. (As for the multicultural part, he seems to be using ‘muliticulti’ far more liberally than American conservatives might, although tend to oppose their often distorted idea of it.) I’m a bit more sanguine regarding the Tea Party’s libertarianism however, as it seems to be only skin deep on most issues that don’t involve the rights of major corporations.
Really, though, this manifesto simply screams out National Socialism. It’s telling, for example, that the event that sticks out for him in the rise of international communism is not the Bolshevik Revolution, but the raising of the Soviet flag over the Reichstag after the Soviet occupation of Berlin in WWII. Nazis were critical of both communism and unfettered capitalism, but their criticisms were couched in an entirely different set of assumptions than are modern anti-corporatists. The Nazis were also willing to work with capitalists in exploiting labor when such an alliance was beneficial to both. Given that the latter is one of the very things abhorred by anti-capitalists, its unlikely that Breivik would be anything close to a fellow-traveler with Naomi Klein.
AnnaN
The long and short of it is that the killer is angry and bonkers. Regardless of where he lived in this world, the color of his skin, or the language he spoke, he was going to latch onto ANYTHING that personally justified his anger and rationalize (to him and only him) his actions.
Trying to apply an external logic to this man’s internal and warped desires is futile.
dslak
AnnaN: The main problem is that we don’t share his assumptions. I’m less willing to grant that he was “bonkers,” however, at least in any sense that would mitigate the culpability of his actions. This is a man who successfully engaged in stock trading for years, as well as managing a farm well enough to make a living.
While he may have some political views that are, admittedly, beyond the pale for most of us, he seems to have been quite functional and knew what he was doing when he chose to act so as to kill scores of people.
priscianusjr
Somehow I don’t see this guy winning hearts and minds in Norway …
gocart mozart
If you excerpted any part of his manifesto and stuck it in the comment section of Atlas Shrugged, Gates of Vienna, Free Republic, or any article involving Islam at Politico, Wash. (com)Post or Yahoo, would it stand out at all?
Citizen_X
Adam @ 36:
Ahhh ha ha ha! “Irony? We no get it.”
Mjaum
Arbeiderpartiet (Norwegian Labour Party) is well to the left of the Democrats, but is pretty much a centrist, slightly left Norwegian party.
Other norwegians may disagree.
Frankensteinbeck
AnnaN:
No, this doesn’t strike me as schizophrenic. If you’re going to blame the problem on him being crazy, then you have to mean that he was driven to it by a brain disease. Any other explanation is just putting a different label on ‘murderous asshole’. Everything I’ve read so far that he’s written is coherent. His writing is terrible, but it’s not ‘cognitive damage’ free association gibberish like you got with the guy who shot Giffords. I don’t see any reason to think he’s not perfectly sane. He’s just a horribly twisted human being.
Rome Again
It makes perfect sense to me, inasmuch as Robert Altemeyer, in his book “The Authoritarians” pegged the conclusion that Authoritarians in the East (Communist Russia, etc) are Pro-Communists, while Authoritarians in the West (us) are Anti-Communists, so anyone who is halfway between them would be utterly confused on what is Authoritarian thought.
RA – who has recently gotten off work after 5 straight months (seven days a week) on the job, has 45.3 hours off and is currently +2 at 11:49 am in Phoenix). :P
Thymezone
Authority has no ideology. It just wants to take away your power. What the power is for doesn’t matter.
Looking at history, it seems to me that most successful authority has been grounded in a desire to steal other peoples’ stuff. The GOP wants to steal your money and pump it into the casino of the markets, and since the casino owners own at least part of the government, they get what they want. Their main agenda is defeating progressive taxation. That’s what Norquist means when he says that he will stop Democrats from governing as Democrats. Progressive policy rests on progressive taxation. Norquist knows this and it’s at the root of his particular strain of authoritarianism. It’s fun to watch him flip through that trophy Pledge Book of his.
Thymezone
Wow, that fascinating and absurd mod filter again. We shall repost until we figure out what is triggering it, as always:
Authority has no ideology. It just wants to take away your power. What the power is for doesn’t matter.
Looking at history, it seems to me that most successful authority has been grounded in a desire to steal other peoples’ stuff. The GOP wants to steal your money and pump it into the cas*no of the markets, and since the cas*no owners own at least part of the government, they get what they want. Their main agenda is defeating progressive taxation. That’s what Norquist means when he says that he will stop Democrats from governing as Democrats. Progressive policy rests on progressive taxation. Norquist knows this and it’s at the root of his particular strain of authoritarianism. It’s fun to watch him flip through that trophy Pledge Book of his.
Thymezone
Ah, got it on the first try .. the word cas*no with an i appears to be a trigger. That is so campy and cute. I am surprised that WP doesn’t have blinking puppy eyes built in to the text editor.
Calouste
Btw, the paragraphs about the Muslim shooter have now been removed from the BBC article. Apparently the complaint I lodged had some effect.
buermann
Half the ‘compendium’ is just cut and pasted European nationalist rehashes of William Lind and Pat Buchanan tracts, the other half is an elaborate school boy fantasy about making the other boys eat worms after they convert to christianity, thus demonstrating their loyalty to the new knights templar or something. The brief diary though is something else.
He goes to Prague to shop for some weapons on the black market and fails miserably. To cheer himself up he spends the rest of his time there partying and “renting” hookers: “screwing around outside of marriage is after all a relatively small sin compared to the huge amounts of grace I am about to generate with my martyrdom operation”. He then goes back to Norway and buys the weapons there, legally, musing he should have just done that in the first place.
The rest of the diary, between the anarchist cookbook DIY guide, is devoted to the weighty decision of which bottle of wine to share with the two high end escort models he intends to “rent” before he goes and blows away a bunch of children in the name of God and country.
AnnaN
I never stated that I thought he was schizophrenic or insane enough to not have culpability.
But, yeah, he was bonkers. As in, not of the norm. And so much off the norm, that he believed bombing and shooting school kids like so many fish in a barrel was a legitimate means to his own ends. That really is the definition of bonkers. Sociopaths are highly adept at moving through society in that they are grand manipulators and are not burdened with the encumbrance of having a conscience and are incapable of feeling anything remotely approaching empathy. Does that mean they are incapable of knowing right from wrong? Absolutely not.
I just find this process of trying to attach some sort of cultural significance (was he right? left? communist? socialist? blah blah blah?) to his actions to be completely futile.
DaddyJ
bermann: Ugh. I just realized that this guy is probably sitting in his cell pleasuring himself with thoughts of how everyone in the world is reading his “story.” Curiosity over.
buermann
He repeatedly states that the purpose of the attack is to market this work of staggering cut and pasted genius. Wouldn’t want all those children to die in vain would we?
buermann