A Rare Moment of Truth From Michelle Bachman

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Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has a thing for John Wayne. In an interview yesterday with Newsmax, she said she wants to live in “John Wayne’s America.” And in the Iowa town of Waterloo today, where she announced her presidential candidacy, Bachmann told Fox News, “John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.” But unfortunately for historically challenged Bachmann, as the Washington Times points out, the John Wayne born in Waterloo is John Wayne Gacy, the notorious serial killer who murdered 33 teenage boys and young men, not the iconic Western actor.

I hope you people of Minnesota are proud of yourselves.

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178 replies
  1. 1
    Valdivia says:

    This is really making my day–I know I have a low bar–can’t stop laughing thinking about it.

  2. 2
    Dr. Loveless says:

    Dear Michelle: Next time read the actual articles, not just the Google hits.

  3. 3

    i just saw this in a tweet, damn john cole is on shit at balloon juice world hq.

    hilarious, and i think she can just about drop out now.

  4. 4
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Bachmann is the sort of person we put on trial after WWII for war crimes.

  5. 5
    jo6pac says:

    Another clown for the clown car and she can win the repug show, that puts 0 in a good place to win.

  6. 6
    freelancer says:

    Beclowned doesn’t even begin to describe how awesomely stupid this woman is. But it is meta enough.

  7. 7
    Urza says:

    On the plus side, there will be an uptick in employment for people fact checking her, writing up how stupid she is, and filing it all away for possible 2012 commercials. These commercials however are likely to destroy Comedy Central since they will be in direct competition for gut busting laughter.

  8. 8
    dpcap says:

    That’s ok, we’ll just rewrite the wiki article about John Wayne.

  9. 9
    scav says:

    Maybe she’s speaking truth to power: she and many others really want to live in an America where it’s open season on the wrong sort of young men.

  10. 10
    Rosalita says:

    but, but, but his PARENTS lived in Waterloo briefly!!

  11. 11
    terraformer says:

    No. We are not proud of ourselves.

    That is all.

  12. 12
    Alex S. says:

    Even Think Progress is wrong. John Wayne Gacy wasn’t born in Waterloo, but in Chicago.

  13. 13
    MikeJ says:

    That’s ok, we’ll just rewrite the wiki article about John Wayne.

    It was changed for about 3 minutes.

  14. 14
    Miller says:

    John Wayne was a fag.

  15. 15
    Elizabelle says:

    Watch out, guys.

    John Wayne born in Winterset, but his parents first settled as newlyweds in Waterloo. That may be what Rep. Bachman (Loon-MN) garbled.

    http://www.politico.com/news/s.....57865.html

    This smacks a little of the Palin-Paul Revere extravaganza.

    And however much you laugh, the wingnuts will forgive Michelle Bachmann, because she just misspoke. They’ll see her as more human for it. And laugh at point at the liberal media for making such a big deal of this. “More proof you can’t trust ’em.”

    Never mind that the wingnuts were still chortling about Obama’s 57 states over at the Washington Times.

  16. 16
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Actual WWII combat marines loath John Wayne.

  17. 17
    Ahasuerus says:

    Both IMDB and Wikipedia report that the actor John Wayne (born Marion Robert Morrison) was being born May 26, 1907 in Winterset, Iowa. Winterset, Waterloo – at least they both start with the letter ‘W’. Close counts, right?

    ETA: Ah crap, I see Elizabelle got here first. (Shakes tiny fist at Elizabelle)

  18. 18
    Gus says:

    Minnesota used to be a pretty great place. Among the tops in education and quality of life. Unfortunately there are a huge number of one issue voters (anti-abortion) who became convinced that Jesus was also for free markets and a strong military. Fortunately the Twin Cities are still hugely liberal, but sadly they’re increasingly surrounded by a bunch of Bible thumping, God-bothering freaks.

  19. 19
    The Dangerman says:

    I’m fairly sure John Wayne was amongst the crowd that benefited mightily from buying up property on the cheap, cheap, CHEAP from Japanese Americans put in the camps during WWII.

  20. 20
    Han's Solo says:

    Of course she loves John Wayne Gacy. He raped, I mean he forcibly injected baby batter in women. To reproduce is God’s greatest calling and he was doing his best to do what he thought God wanted him to do. Exactly like Bachman is doing with her career in politics.

    And if not for those satanic liberals forcibly aborting those babies, after John Wayne Gacy killed them, those babies would be thriving, God Fearing, Tea Party Partriots willing to persecute anyone with Anti American thoughts!

    PS – If you don’t realize this is snark you need to slap your parents for allowing you to grow up and be that stupid.

  21. 21
    Chris says:

    I love that she chose to say John Wayne rather than, say, Davy Crockett or Wyatt Earp or George Custer or Calamity Jane, or, you know, some iconic figure of the frontier that was actually real.

    It’s a “rare moment of truth” in another way too: it’s not the frontier that gets them all fired up, it’s 1950s Hollywood’s reimagining of it. The world should be just like the movies, doncha know! And we’re the party of people who think it actually is!

  22. 22
    freelancer says:

    @Elizabelle

    I know your point is that for Bachmann and her supporters, this and things like the Taibbi article are badges of honor and only serve to embolden her. But she’s more than a little delusional, and her followers are mired in the fantasy wingnutopia that is the 27%.

    What should be done or said about Bachmann? Mockery and derision is the least that we can offer, and we aren’t the pointy-headed elitest pundit class. No matter how often it’s thrown at us, we don’t fit that label. So mockery and derision and demands for nonbatshit conservatism sound a bit different coming from us, both on the web and IRL. I for one will continue with the jokes.

  23. 23
    lacp says:

    So John Wayne Revere rode through Iowa warning patriots that Lee Marvin was going to take away their guns? Huhwah?

  24. 24
    cleek says:

    somewhere, a low-level fact-checker just got sent home.

  25. 25
    A Ghost To Most says:

    I never saw John Wayne on the Sands of IwoIowa Jima …

    /Patterson Hood

  26. 26
    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    The majority of the people of MN may or may not be proud of themselves. The people of Bachman’s exceedingly well-gerrymandered district I’m sure are.

    As is the state Republican party that puts emphasis on winning state legislatures and governorships to correspond with redrawing Congressional district maps. This is where they win all the time and Dems epically fail.

    Every time I hear the old “well, demographics will eventually catch up with the Repups” I chuckle and shake my head knowing that the Repups know how to fight that at the state level with voter suppression laws and gerrymandering.

  27. 27
    PeakVT says:

    Facts, shmacts. They’re all liberal, so who needs them?

  28. 28
    bemused says:

    Hey, now. Don’t lump all of us Minnesotans with the dipshits in her weird district who voted for her and unfortunately probably would again if she doesn’t get anywhere with this presdential run.
    oth, Gov Dayton was the first MN governor to walk in the annual Twin Cities Gay Pride Parade.

  29. 29
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The world should be just like the movies, doncha know!

    Explains their worship of Ronaldus Magnus, who frequently mistook what he saw in the movies for reality.

    Also explains the entire notion of “rugged individualism” in the saga of “how the West was won conquered”.

  30. 30
    Chris says:

    @ Elizabelle –

    And however much you laugh, the wingnuts will forgive Michelle Bachmann, because she just misspoke. They’ll see her as more human for it. And laugh at point at the liberal media for making such a big deal of this. “More proof you can’t trust ‘em.”

    I realize the chances of a conservative understanding this are vanishingly small, but the problem with Sarah Palin isn’t that she makes misstatements. It’s that she repeatedly tries to bullshit her way through things, is too stupid to do it effectively, and when she’s caught in her misstatement, has an army of people who try to justify it as “no no no, actually, she was totally telling the truth, and it’s proof of how perceptive and smart she is!”

    Obama makes misstatements too. But after his “57 states” gaffe, I don’t recall a Democratic campaign to try to explain that there were really 57 states in the Union, or change wikipedia’s United States page to reflect the new “fact” that there were 57 states in the Union.

  31. 31
    Han's Solo says:

    If Bachman does win the nomination she’ll have to be very careful in picking her running mate.

    She’ll need someone who seems smarter than she is; because she says stupid things a lot.

    She’ll need someone who seems saner than she is; because she’s nuttier than squirrel shit.

    She’ll need someone with name recognition; because with the exception of the teabaggers and possibly the staff at the Minnesota Institute for the Batshit Insane nobody knows who she is.

    Smarter, saner and better known than Michelle Bachman? There is only one way to go: Charlie Sheen.

  32. 32
    eastriver says:

    Michele Bachman’s todo list:

    1) Put on mascara

    2) Practice crazy smile

    3) More mascara

    4) Fire fact maker-upper

    5) Check eye makeup

  33. 33
    Ben says:

    Hey, don’t make fun of Michelle. She’s the Democrats best chance of 4 more years in the White House, taking back the House and keeping the Senate.

  34. 34
    Tonal Crow says:

    Now that’s a double helping of awesome with awesome sauce!

    ETA: Bachmann-Palin 2012: All the stupid, and twice the crazy!

  35. 35
    JCT says:

    And for g_d’s sake Michelle, why the fuck are you IDOLIZING movie actors anyway.

    In real life, “John Wayne” was a massive asshole — that “spirit” you admire was FAKE and made up by Hollywood. The End.

    Really, is this the best the GOP can do?

  36. 36
    nancydarling says:

    I liked quite a few of John Wayne’s movies, but he was a shirker when it came to military service. Everyone else was joining up, Stewart, Tyrone Power (who was gay I believe), lots of others. Clark Gable enlisted at 41 after Lombard was killed in a plane crash while on a tour selling war bonds. Not Wayne. He played lots of soldiers in the movies, though. I just never have understood the RW hero worship of Wayne.

  37. 37
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    But after his “57 states” gaffe

    Which wasn’t really a gaffe, if you were paying attention to the context he said it in.

    57 contests to the nomination. There are more than 50 delegations to the DNC…or the RNC, for that matter. There’s American Samoa. There’s Puerto Rico. There’s the Virgin Islands. There’s Democrats or Republicans Abroad. There’s the Marianas. There’s DC. There’s Guam.

  38. 38
    PurpleGirl says:

    I thought John Wayne’s real name was Marion MICHAEL Morrison, which isn’t what Wikipedia has. Anyway, she needs a fact checker on her staff, like last week.

  39. 39
    freelancer says:

    Not to be outdone, Sarah Palin stopped at the Field of Dreams just outside of Dyersville, IA and remarked on her admiration for the film:

    “Y’know it’s just like what America is and can be. We can hit a grand slam if we just keep on the ball, with our eyes, and we won’t have to watch the pitch as it sails by. Just Great. Baseball, James Earl Ray was in the film, he gave a speech about American and Baseball and how it was bringin’ us all together, just fantastic. Passed down from generation to generation from the Greatest Generation dropping into Market Garden on D-Day on and on to our great, just great agriculture industry so that Kevin Costner could have a game of pickle with his dad Shoeless Joe. I admire what James Earl Ray said and did. He is a great spirit, especially in the face of diversity. I share James Earl Ray’s appreciation for diversity, you betcha. Ronald Reagan. If you build it, tear down this wall. Freedom. Go the distance.”

  40. 40
    kwAwk says:

    The wikipedia article ThinkProgress cites indicates Gacy was born in Chicago and later moved to Waterloo.

  41. 41
    Nellcote says:

    @#28 I thought MN had a law that said you couldn’t run for Prez and re-election at the same time. Since she’s announced for Prez doesn’t that mean she can’t run for re-election unless she drops out?

    John Wayne Gacy painted clown paintings. Co-incidence?

  42. 42
    Rosalita says:

    Michele Bachman’s todo list:

    1) Put on mascara

    2) Practice crazy smile

    3) More mascara

    4) Fire fact maker-upper

    5) Check eye makeup

    you forgot the part about applying false eyelashes…

  43. 43
    PTirebiter says:

    she said she wants to live in “John Wayne’s America.”

    Yea, the fictional America, filled with real Americans as portrayed by rich Hollywood stars. Who cares that she got his birthplace wrong, the real problem is these jerks who mourn something that never existed and they’re pissed about it.

  44. 44
    MikeJ says:

    Han’s Solo @ 20:

    Of course she loves John Wayne Gacy. He raped, I mean he forcibly injected baby batter in women. To reproduce is God’s greatest calling and he was doing his best to do what he thought God wanted him to do.

    Uh, no. He forcibly injected it into men.

  45. 45
    Trentrunner says:

    freelancer@39:

    I got all the way to the end before I realized it was snark.

    And I’m still not 100% sure.

    /hat doff

  46. 46
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    James Earl Ray

    Um, Sarah, dear, I’m afraid you’re confusing “The Man”, “The voice of Darth Vader”, and “Terrence Mann” with your hero, the convicted assassin of another near person.

    On edit…oh, snark? Poe’s law strikes again!

  47. 47
    jl says:

    Excuuuuse me!

    Marion “Duke” Morrison is from Winterset, Iowa.

    IIRC, Morrison’s family moved to Southern California when he was a young kid,and he went to University of Southern California, which way back then was a dumping ground for well off mediocre students.

    And finally, John Wayne is from Hollywood.

  48. 48
    JCT says:

    He played lots of soldiers in the movies, though. I just never have understood the RW hero worship of Wayne.

    This is all perfect for the chickenhawk party — they love puffing out their chest and sending other people’s children to fight wars of choice.

    It’s all a game of Risk to them because their real knowledge of war comes from John Wayne movies.

  49. 49

    Villago Delenda Est @37

    One of those- I think the Marianas- doesn’t have a primary. IIRC, the 57th is the second Texas contest.

    But I could be wrong. It’s been a while since I had to explain this to a wingnut.

  50. 50
    Special Patrol Group says:

    One can’t help but wonder what Miller (aka the real Don Pesola) thinks about all this.

  51. 51

    @bemused: Don’t lump all of us Minnesotans with the dipshits in her weird district

    Don’t worry, we have PZ Myers to remind us that Minnesota has not only liberals, but atheists also too.

  52. 52
    efgoldman says:

    She’s in a statistical dead heat with Romney in early IA caucus polling (which, based on the same 2007 polls at the same point, aren’t predictive of anything.)
    She has to have the Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOBP terrified. Particularly if the “GOBP is tanking the economy on purpose” meme gets any traction.
    As she gets better and better known, some MSM outfit or other will start a “Bachamnn’s Daily Gaffe(tm)” feature.
    I have no doubt that Mittster wins NH (sort-of-favorite-son and all). But I can easily see Bachmann winning SC, with a plurality.
    Popcorn! Get yer hot, fresh popcorn raht cheer!

  53. 53
    Chris says:

    @ nancydarling

    I just never have understood the RW hero worship of Wayne.

    I do. He’s exactly their kind of guy. Badass rhetoric and posturing, with absolutely nothing to back them up, but they like the way it feels.

    Interestingly, people who knew him claim that he felt really guilty about not signing up, and that’s what motivated a lot of the politics he became known for. According to his wife, “He would become a ‘superpatriot’ for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home.”

  54. 54
    PurpleGirl says:

    I have a feeling that James Earl Jones would not like being mistaken for that other person. Sarah, repeat after me… James Earl Jones.

  55. 55
    Nellcote says:

    @#39 Holy Crap! Is that a real quote?

  56. 56
    Hungry Joe says:

    Yeah, and Ronald Reagan said that trees cause smog and that he was there when Auschwitz was liberated, and he liked to relate a moving WWII tale that turned out to be the plot of the wholly fictional movie “The War Lover.” (Steve McQueen. Pretty decent flick.) That he was spouting fantasies or lies — it was hard to tell with him — made no difference.

  57. 57
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Max@49: That could well be…couldn’t be the Canal Zone, as that was stolen back by the Panamanians fair and square.

  58. 58
    gbear says:

    I hear that Chris Wallace had to delay his vacation due to a ruptured gut.

  59. 59
    gene108 says:

    I applaud Bachmann’s can-do attitude. I’m tired of Presidents sending in SEAL Team Six or Delta Force or whoever to do their killing for them.

    What we need is a President, with the spirit of John Wayne Gacy in her; someone who’ll do her own damn killing.

    Repeal the 22nd Amendment and let her serve as President for Life, if she does her killing with her bare hands!

  60. 60
    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @comrade scott’s agenda of rage #26:

    fight that at the state level with voter suppression laws and gerrymandering.

    Ditto that on the voter suppression, but gerrymandering is a two-edged weapon which can as easily hurt as help the side that uses it. is essentially a leveraged bet that the ideological state of the electorate will not shift against you. It works great when it works (i.e. in the short term), but when it doesn’t work it magnifies the damage done. Essentially it takes an ever narrower slice of swing voters in the middle and gives them greater power to reward or punish either party. In general terms that is bad for our democracy since it helps fuel wild swings in who controls the House (cf 2002-2010) but in the longer run it isn’t all to the advantage of the side which is performing the gerrymandering.

  61. 61
    Redshift says:

    What should be done or said about Bachmann? Mockery and derision is the least that we can offer, and we aren’t the pointy-headed elitest pundit class. No matter how often it’s thrown at us, we don’t fit that label. So mockery and derision and demands for nonbatshit conservatism sound a bit different coming from us, both on the web and IRL. I for one will continue with the jokes.

    Right on. Mockery is the best weapon against bullshit. As Harry Frankfurt wrote, you can’t fight it with facts, because it takes far more work to debunk BS than it takes for the BS artist to make up new BS.

    There is no one who is going to change their vote to Republican just because they’re offended at mean bloggers hurting Bachmann’s fee-fees. Bachmann is a joke, and the more we can do to make anyone who supports her embarrassed to mention it in public, the better.

  62. 62
    Bobby Thomson says:

    How do we know she misspoke? It’s not like wingnuts don’t have a history of lionizing serial killers.

  63. 63
    askew says:

    Hey not fair to blame all Minnesotans for Bachmann. She is the rep of MN-6 not the whole state. She’d lose a statewide contest in a landslide.

    Remember we also gave you Wellstone and Franken.

  64. 64
    freelancer says:

    @Nellcote:

    That you had to ask means I dun mah job right good. Thanks.

  65. 65
    efgoldman says:

    @ 56 Hungry Joe – June 27, 2011 | 4:08 pm

    That he was spouting fantasies or lies—it was hard to tell with him—made no difference.

    Yup. Because it was Morning in America(c). If there was a bear.
    Ooh. Ooh. I just realized where Palin gets it from. Ooh. Ooh. Call on me, teacher.

  66. 66
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    the real problem is these jerks who mourn something that never existed and they’re pissed about it.

    Which is a trait they share with another group of jerks, only this group of jerks was in central Europe in the first half of the 20th century.

  67. 67
    Bobby Thomson says:

    What we need is a President, with the spirit of John Wayne Gacy in her; someone who’ll do her own damn killing.

    Thank you, Ned Stark.

  68. 68
    Zandar says:

    OK, I laughed. Has she picked a Florida point man yet? I hear Dexter Morgan is available.

  69. 69
    bemused says:

    nancy darling:
    And he was married three times, fancied latino women, had affairs, a big drinker. But that was real life. For all the scorn rightwingers have for Hollywood, they believe their heroes in the movies, Wayne and Reagan, were actually those people.

  70. 70
    YellowDog says:

    I was born and raised in Minnesota, when we had Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey. Bachmann is from Iowa. As we used to say, the best thing to come out of Iowa is an empty bus.

  71. 71
    Jewish Steel says:

    @freelancer:

    You do m_c and Palin? Good one.

  72. 72
    Chris says:

    @ bemused –

    And he was married three times, fancied latino women, had affairs, a big drinker. But that was real life. For all the scorn rightwingers have for Hollywood, they believe their heroes in the movies, Wayne and Reagan, were actually those people.

    Check out these quotations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....y_magazine) from an interview he gave in 1971, touching on American Indians, welfare, and black people. He hits every single conservative note (slightly adjusted because it was forty years ago and you could get away with saying more).

    His personality might not’ve been what they wanted, but politically speaking, he was one of them to the bone.

  73. 73
    Dr. Loveless says:

    John Wayne was a fag.

    I installed two-way mirrors at his pad in Brentwood, and he came to the door wearing a dress.

  74. 74
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @ YellowDog: IOWA is, of course, an acronym for Idiots Out Wandering Around.

    ETA: While I am at it, what separates cheeseheads from dickheads? The Illinois-Wisconsin border.

  75. 75
    efgoldman says:

    @ 70 YellowDog – June 27, 2011 | 4:13 pm

    I was born and raised in Minnesota, when we had Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey.

    And where you also elected T-Paw of the falling highway.

  76. 76
    Wilson Heath says:

    Winger media seems to be taking an active interest in picking winners. Wallace’s “flake” question, beyond giving some cover to “fair & balanced” after the Stewart interview, was an alley-oop for Bachman to say she isn’t a witch, er, flake. Now the Moonies seem intent on taking her down a peg. Very odd.

  77. 77
    bemused says:

    Chris:
    True. As long as one has the “right” views, the rest can be easily forgiven or ignored.

  78. 78
    jl says:

    @27 Chris,

    Yeah, I just looked at the Wikipedia article. Like Reagan, Wayne says he was a liberal Democrat when he was younger.

    Like Reagan, he sprinkles the conservative lines with humility, and nuggets of reasonableness.

    So, he doesn’t want welfare to pay people to sit and do nothing, but he is OK with work welfare. He dismisses any special actions to help minorities academically, but carefully avoids pure racial bigotry, saying anyone who can meet standards is welcome.

    Like Reagan, some of his views, as conservative as they seem to us, would get him bounced out of today’s nutcase party as communist.

    Never was a Wayne fan. To me he is like whoozits… Nicholas Cage. Here is a guy who as far as I can tell, simply cannot act at all. As soon as he enters the screen any suspension of disbelief flees my head. And I watch a motion picture of a person, obviously not able to act anything at all, saying some words, then (I hope) leaving the scene as soon as possible.

    Edit: just to be bipartisan, Kenneth Costner falls into that camp of ‘acting’ as well, though sometimes I can grasp on to some momentary suspension of disbelief when he is in a scene. So, not as extreme as Mr. Morrison.

  79. 79
    YellowDog says:

    @ efgoldman

    Pawlenty happened after I left. But he won two terms with only a plurality in two 3-way races.

  80. 80
    Bulworth says:

    Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has a thing for John Wayne. In an interview yesterday with Newsmax, she said she wants to live in “John Wayne’s America.”

    So…she wants to live in an Old West fantasy land?

    You mean she isn’t “Proud of America” the way it is now?

  81. 81
    Han's Solo says:

    Breaking (I think) TPM just posted that Dane County Sheriff’s Office has opened an investigation into Judge “Choker” Prosser in Wisconsin.

  82. 82
    Bulworth says:

    OK, I laughed. Has she picked a Florida point man yet? I hear Dexter Morgan is available.

    WIN!

  83. 83
    Stefan says:

    Now don’t get me wrong, I love John Wayne movies, and love John Wayne the actor. If I’m flipping channels and come across a John Wayne movie, score, I’m settling in to watch.

    But in real life, John Wayne (along with Ronald Reagan) was a draft dodger who sat out WWII because he didn’t want to interrupt his movie career, while, say, George McGovern was a much-decorated war hero who flew numerous combat missions over Germany.

    Guess which one the wingnuts love?

  84. 84
    jim says:

    I want to live in John Wayne’s America as well. Higher taxes on the wealthy, stronger Unions, a smaller gap between workers and CEOs salaries, respect for scientists and teachers, and all the other stuff Michele hates.

  85. 85
    Nellcote says:

    Washington Times points out, the John Wayne born in Waterloo is John Wayne Gacy,

    Leave it to the Washinton Times to get that wrong too. Gacy was born in Chicago and moved to Waterloo as an adult.

  86. 86
    efgoldman says:

    @ 78 jl – June 27, 2011 | 4:24 pm

    Here is a guy who as far as I can tell, simply cannot act at all. As soon as he enters the screen any suspension of disbelief flees my head. And I watch a motion picture of a person….

    I never liked Wayne either, but to be fair, he comes out of the “**MOVIESTAR**” studio time of movie history, where the big stars didn’t really play characters, they were just in the movie.
    Think about Bogart, or Cagney, or Spencer Tracy, or Cary Grant or Gable. Each of them played himself, no matter what his character’s name or motivations. Wayne came out of the same system. And later in life, he chose his parts very carefully.
    Reagan, on then other hand, was never a grade-A star. He had to learn his parts better.

  87. 87
    LanceThruster says:

    I sincerely feel Bachman knew exactly who she was referencing when she spoke of wanting to live in “John Wayne’s America.”

    John Wayne Gacy is exactly the predatory icon that mirrors the GOP “War on Americans” (of any age).

    The only difference will be that they’ll have the proper permits to use bulldozers to shove us into mass graves instead of having to bury us in the crawlspace.

  88. 88
    Politically Lost says:

    OT: Cat caught red handed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ture=share

  89. 89
    bkny says:

    uh, shouldn’t ed rollins be vetting his candidate’s comments… esp this candidate?

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    Stefan says:

    Interestingly, people who knew him claim that he felt really guilty about not signing up, and that’s what motivated a lot of the politics he became known for. According to his wife, “He would become a ‘superpatriot’ for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home.”

    Very true. There was a war movie about the PT-Boats he did with John Ford right after the war, “They Were Expendable”. In the credits most everyone used their old military rank, except Wayne, who didn’t have any. It killed him.

  91. 91
    Catsy says:

    @nancydarling:

    I liked quite a few of John Wayne’s movies, but he was a shirker when it came to military service. […] I just never have understood the RW hero worship of Wayne.

    Feature, not bug.

    See also: Bush, George W; Cheney, Dick; Limbaugh, Rush

  92. 92
    jl says:

    @63 Stafan,

    I have a theory about the love of USians for conservative frauds, or at least successful conservative men (edit: people, sorry for the inadvertent sexism) whose real life does not match their public persona, and in some ways is the opposite.

    My theory has one major disadvantage: I really have to admit I have no idea how true it is. But I entertain it from time to time.

    My Theory: There is an extreme form of the ‘American Way of Life’ that is an impossibility, both for individuals and for society as a whole. That is the myth of 100 percent self made self reliant individual who never go no help from nobody. It is a fraud. People who buy into that myth have to deal with great cognitive dissonance, and many begin to ‘love the lie’ as a path to self acceptance. They love successful people who are just like them, that is, in some ways, frauds.

    My theory is not anti-American (or anti-USian, propertly speaking). The extreme version of this myth lives in bogus historically illiterate claims that the Founders and Framers would ‘roll over in their graves’ at every moderate or liberal advance since the 1790s. This is simply wrong. Thomas Paine was rolling over in his grave UNTIL Social Security and Medicare became law. It also lives in disguised, soft soap, form, in Mr. David Brooks genteel fantasies about US history.

  93. 93
    Larkspur says:

    Here is the headline from James Fallows’ reaction to it: Bachmann’s ‘John Wayne’ Gaffe: In the Reagan Tradition?

    I haven’t read the article yet, but (a) Michele says I don’t hafta read all of the words, so shut up, and (b) whatever the article says, the mere invocation of Reagan can be used by wingers, for the holy name of R—-N healeth all wounds, and, I’ll guess, woundeth all heels.

  94. 94
    Triassic Sands says:

    Unfortunately, it looks like the big screw-up here belongs to Think Progress, not Bachmann. They really should have been more careful. It took me less than a minute to find out that Gacy was born in Chicago and Wayne in Winterset, not Waterloo, Iowa.

    It’s important for Lefties to be accurate, whereas the Wingers are free to say anything they want to without being held accountable. Even when someone tries, like Bob Schieffer did in his incredibly weak style on Face the Nation, Bachmann and her fellow Liars Republicans just keep on lying.

  95. 95

    word on bachmann’s street is, abba and napoleon dynamite are also from waterloo.

  96. 96
    Svensker says:

    @ freelancer

    Did you make that up? I suggest psychiatry, stat, because you are channeling the Golden Grifter, big time. Skeeeerrryy!

  97. 97
    PaulW says:

    She’ll just ignore it with a “haters gonna hate” mantra and move on to the next atrocity. As long as the teabagger base of the GOP loves her, they will forgive all sins. Except taxes. She says one thing about taxes being good and FORGET IT, her career is over.

  98. 98
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    86: I think that another good example of a movie star who “played himself” was James Stewart…but in his case, that’s what was great about him…many of his roles played off that style of performance, particularly his work with Hitchcock which is why Hitchcock casted him in those roles in the first place.

  99. 99
    srv says:

    Bachmann – The Spirit of John Wayne Gacy

    That needs to be a damned bumper sticker. Can’t we get that at the BJ store?

  100. 100
    Georgia Pig says:

    Actual WWII combat marines loath John Wayne.
    I know my Dad (1st Marine Division) did. In fact, my Dad called him a “swishing pansy” (which is an insult to swishing pansies everywhere). Story was that he was booed off the stage at an appearance at a naval hospital when he started mouthing platitudes about the glory of war.

  101. 101
    Redshift says:

    Even Think Progress is wrong. John Wayne Gacy wasn’t born in Waterloo, but in Chicago.

    This is probably the only time I’ll ever say this, but TP should have read the source article in the Washington Times more carefully. They actually got it right — Gacy started his life of crime in Waterloo; he wasn’t born there.

    (In all honesty, I suspect it’s more likely that Bachmann — or whoever she heard this from, since I doubt she actually researched it — mixed up Waterloo and Winterset rather than Wayne and Gacy.)

  102. 102
    CaliCat says:

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL This is the funniest shit I’ve heard in a long time.

  103. 103
    jl says:

    Wikipedia says Gacy was born in Chicago. Gacy moved to Waterloo IA after marriage.

    Waterloo is definitely associated with Gacy.

    NOT with John Wayne, except for ridiculous weak reed one commenter mentioned that Morrison’s (Wayne’s) parents lived in Waterloo briefly before his birth.

  104. 104
    Lojasmo says:

    I don’t live in the sixth CD (go Tim Walz!) and have never, and will never, vote for her, but as she is likely to be the GOP nominee, I am happy that we are the state to send the candidate to get clobbered by Obama in the upcoming election.

  105. 105
    NonyNony says:

    Triassic Sands

    Actually the screw up is the Washington Times – they’re the ones who reported it and Think Progress is just citing them.

    And I’m unsurprised that the Washington Times got it wrong. Though I AM surprised that they’re picking on Bachmann. Which means that Moon must not want to have a President who is crazier than he is or something …

  106. 106
    Tuttle says:

    I installed two-way mirrors at his pad in Brentwood, and he came to the door wearing a dress.

    You’re nuts. That doesn’t mean he was a homo. A lot of straight guys like to watch their buddies fuck. I know I do… Don’t you?

  107. 107
    Brian R. says:

    Has anyone pointed out that John Wayne Gacy was actually born in Chicago and then moved to Waterloo?

    I’d hate for that really important detail not to be brought up once here.

  108. 108
    Catsy says:

    @Triassic Sands:

    Unfortunately, it looks like the big screw-up here belongs to Think Progress, not Bachmann. They really should have been more careful. It took me less than a minute to find out that Gacy was born in Chicago and Wayne in Winterset, not Waterloo, Iowa.

    You should’ve kept reading for the whole minute.

    John Wayne Gacy: “Gacy and his wife moved from Illinois and settled in Waterloo, Iowa.”

    Which is where he resided until incarcerated for the first set of sexual assaults.

  109. 109
    Triassic Sands says:

    And I’m unsurprised that the Washington Times got it wrong.

    NonyNony, the fact that the source was the Washington Times strongly argues that Think Progress should have done their own fact checking. Trusting the Washington Times is probably not the best idea in the world.

    Although, as you point out, it’s surprising the Times would go after Bachmann — apparently they have another favorite candidate — and that may be why Think Progress let their guard down.

  110. 110
    freelancer says:

    @ Brian R et al.

    This resolves some of confusion I’ve had. Because Sufjan Stevens had a concept album called “Illinois”, and all his songs were about Illinois, so when this was reported, I thought of his song “John Wayne Gacy, Jr” and was confused or thought maybe Stevens was confused.

  111. 111
    Ana Gama says:

    Hoot Smalley!

    Lest you forget where that came from….

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....ession.php

  112. 112
    wasabi gasp says:

    I want to live in John Wayne’s America.

  113. 113
    Bender says:

    When she goes to the 57th state to give the Medal of Honor to a living “Corpse-man” (who was actually dead) and says she’ll cut the cost of health care 3000% and says a tornado killed 10,000 people in Kansas, then laughs that gaffe off by quipping, “It was like the Special Olympics” in “Austrian” while signing a document and missing today’s date by 3 whole years…

    …then Bachmann will be as qualified for high office as El Presidente “Gunrunner” Obomber

  114. 114
    Nutella says:

    Waterloo, Iowa has always been a wholesome kind of place, the kind of place a presidential contender should be proud to be from.

    However, there was a seamier side of Jaycee life in Waterloo: one that involved wife swapping, prostitution, pornography and drugs. Gacy was deeply involved in many of these activities, and regularly cheated on his wife. In late 1967, Gacy began to abuse teenage male employees of the restaurants he managed. Gacy opened a “club” in his basement, where he allowed employees to drink alcohol before he made sexual advances toward them. One youth was encouraged to sleep with Gacy’s wife, then blackmailed into performing oral sex upon Gacy. Several teenagers were conned into believing Gacy was commissioned into carrying out homosexual experiments in the interests of “scientific research”, for which the youths were paid up to $50.
    __
    Gacy’s double life in Waterloo came to a sudden halt in March 1968 when two local boys, aged 15 and 16, accused him of sexually assaulting them. Gacy professed his innocence, but in August of that year he hired another Waterloo youth to physically assault one of his accusers in an effort to discourage the boy from testifying against him. The youth was caught and confessed, and Gacy was arrested.[

    from Wikpedia

    Ah, the American heartland! It’s where the real Americans are, not like those corrupt and unAmerican cities.

  115. 115
    Rihilism says:

    @YellowDog

    As we used to say, the best thing to come out of Iowa is an empty bus.

    What da hell! Michele (Rep-MN) says somethin’ stupid so let’s bash Iowa? She might be from Iowa, but she found a home in MN. Sure, Iowa has its Steve King (Dipshit-IA), but he’s from western Iowa which is a lot like most of Minnesota, ;) …

    BTW, John Wayne was a vicious homophobe and red-baiter, a horrible actor and generally despicable person. No wonder Bachmann likes him. Hope you’re enjoying burning in hell, Duke…

  116. 116
    Evolved Deep Southerner says:

    Has anyone pointed out that John (Wayne?) Cole left off the superfluous “n” on the end of Bachmann’s name in the headline?

    Just saying. If we’re picking nits, let’s pick ’em all.

  117. 117
    KG says:

    he went to University of Southern California, which way back then was a dumping ground for well off mediocre students.

    And that is different from now, how?

  118. 118
    JPL says:

    Here’s my disappointment.. While in NH she was only approximately sixty miles wrong. Today she appears to be off by 163 miles. As president she could confuse the two Georgia’s and bomb the state instead of the country.

  119. 119
    BO_Bill says:

    Add your own:

    1. “Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end.”
    2. “There is no place that I would rather be on my birthday than Lansing Michigan.”
    3. “There will be no lobbyists in my Administration.”

  120. 120
    Studly Pantload, a full-service troll says:

    @Tuttle

    Hey, Tuttle! Loved ya in the one episode of M*A*S*H!

  121. 121
    Studly Pantload, a full-service troll says:

    @Lojassmo

    Exceptin’, unlike Mondale, what are the chances she can carry MN?

  122. 122

    IIRC, John Wayne wore a toupee out of vanity, abused drugs, treated his several wives like chattel, and ostracized his children.

    Yeah, that’s the kind of America we need again.

  123. 123
    vtr says:

    You would have to be about 50-what to have admired John Wayne as an “actor?”

  124. 124
    retr2327 says:

    Way up thread, Elizabelle pointed out that Bachmann wasn’t totally off-base: John Wayne did have some connection to Waterloo, i.e., his parents moved there shortly after their wedding (IIRC). Now, if you bear in mind that for wingers, life begins at conception (and ends at birth, but that’s another story), then she could well could well have meant that John Wayne “got his start” in Waterloo, even if he wasn’t born until after his parents had left.

    You think I’m joking? Just wait . . . .

  125. 125

    When she goes to the 57th state to give the Medal of Honor to a living “Corpse-man” (who was actually dead) and says she’ll cut the cost of health care 3000% and says a tornado killed 10,000 people in Kansas, then laughs that gaffe off by quipping, “It was like the Special Olympics” in “Austrian” while signing a document and missing today’s date by 3 whole years…

    Woo-hoo! Flog that strawman! Flog ’em good!

    Too bad Austrian really is a language, and there really were 57 Democratic primaries.

    I’m sure Bachmann sounds like a genius to you, and Obama a fool. A maggot crawling around in shit like you is more impressed by the chicken he can see than the eagle far above him.

  126. 126
    Ken says:

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ @60: Case in point: The Illinois legislature just completed the redistricting map, and it is brutal to Republicans in the Chicago collar counties. The Republicans are planning a challenge, but that will be difficult, since the Supreme Court ruled only a few years ago (after Texas redistricted between censuses) that the state legislatures have complete control over the process.

    Larkspur @93: They might be correct, if by “In the Reagan Tradition” they mean “suffering the effects of Alzheimers.”

  127. 127
    Redshift says:

    Triassic Sands & Nony Nony:

    Amazingly enough, if you click through the Moonie Times actually got it right, ThinkProgress just transcribed it wrong.

    Which does make you wonder why the Times is going after Bachmann…

  128. 128
    Bender says:

    Her campaign says correctly that the Duke’s parents met and married in Waterloo. They then moved to Winterset where the Duke was born. It’s just one of those “I have a claim to you guys!” thing that some politicians feel like they have to do to rev up a crowd.

    Who can forget (besides Big Media, of course) how Barack Obama asserted to a crowd, “Don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama!” during a speech there, explaining that the marches on Selma inspired the Kennedy Foundation to give US scholarships to Africans, Barack’s father among them, who met the candidate’s future mother while a student in the US.

    Only one slight problem: At the date of the first march on Selma, Barack was already four years old. So we see that candidates aren’t above a bit of lying to “rouse the rabble.”

  129. 129
    PurpleGirl says:

    vtr — Well, I’m 59 and missed his early and middle period films. I’d say it would be people over 65 who’d admire him as an actor.

    The only film of his that I like is Donovan’s Reef and that’s for the co-stars and secondary actors, not all him or his character.

  130. 130
    Mike in NC says:

    As president she could confuse the two Georgia’s and bomb the state instead of the country.

    Would that be a bad thing?

  131. 131
    UncertaintyVicePrincipal says:

    Okay this woman is clearly on drugs.

    Bach’s not here, mann.

    Once again I’m reminded of that Simpson’s episode where Bart is the kid with all the gnarly powers, as Otto puts it, taking after the Twilight Zone episode, and Miss Crabapple is saying “Okay class, once again things have been renamed to match Bart’s answers on yesterday’s test, so the US is now “Bonerland”, founded in 1942 by “Some Guy”, and….”

    Just imagine what a Bachmann/Palin administration would mean, they’d be scrambling to rewrite everything.

  132. 132
    Bender says:

    @Angry Geometer:

    Too bad Austrian really is a language, and there really were 57 Democratic primaries.

    Uhhh, no, Apologist Geometer, it’s not a language. And he didn’t say “57 primaries,” did he? Even if he did, he said he still had a 58th yet to visit, didn’t he?

    Go ahead. Rationalize some more.

    I’m sure Bachmann sounds like a genius to you, and Obama a fool. A maggot crawling around in shit like you is more impressed by the chicken he can see than the eagle far above him.

    Nope, they both sound like politicians, trying to convince gullible idiots that they are “eagles” and not just hustlers.

  133. 133
    Stefan says:

    You would have to be about 50-what to have admired John Wayne as an “actor?”

    I’m under 50, and I’ll say this: Wayne was a great screen actor. There are different styles of acting, and it’s not always intense Method Pacino-Hoffman ACTING that wins the day. Wayne, like Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, etc., essentially always played the same character — but man, people kept watching. It’s hard to do, very hard, which is why there are so few people who can do it well. And the ones who do it really well make it seem as if they aren’t acting at all.

  134. 134
    harlana says:

    the stupid just flash-fried my head to a crisp

  135. 135
    Bender says:

    And is Balloon Juice the Least Self-Aware Blog on the Intertrons?

    Just yesterday, Kay posted:

    I like Joe Biden as VP and I haven’t met a single real live Democratic voter who finds his weekly “career-ending” gaffes anything but humanizing and endearing

    You see, just yesterday, these frequent gaffes were humanizing and endearing, according to all Democrats (“real live?” — distinguishing from the famous “fictional dead ACORN-registered Dems,” right?).

    So why get on Bachmann’s case? It’s almost like, I don’t know… I think the term is… IOKIYAD!

  136. 136
    UncertaintyVicePrincipal says:

    Bender at 128

    Nope, they both sound like politicians, trying to convince gullible idiots that they are “eagles” and not just hustlers.

    Uh, right, nice try. People aren’t accusing Bachmann of doing this intentionally or being disingenuous. They’re accusing her of being an ignorant religious fanatic who doesn’t pay attention to facts. She does this constantly.

    If she actually knew that she were getting her historical references totally, laughably wrong in New Hampshire do you really think that she would have said it anyway? Please.

    I mean hey, I have criticisms of Barack Obama and being too much a politician at times is high on the list.

    Bachmann isn’t doing that, she’s just being stupid. That is one thing I would never accuse Obama of being, sorry.

  137. 137
    Catsy says:

    Oh goody, here comes Bender to issue the usual parade of false equivalencies and transparent “yeah-but-Obama” deflections. I guess it’s time to turn the pie filter back on.

  138. 138
    harlana says:

    Aw, Minnesetoans here, don’t feel bad. At least you have Franken. My Senator is Chinless DeMinted

  139. 139
    jl says:

    The BidenGaffe is usually inappropriate language, the classic ‘Michale Kinsley’ type of gaffe which is stating the truth too frankly and baldly, and acting stupid. Biden knows what he is talking about, and rarely makes the kind of gaffe that assumes, implies, or otherwise peddles incorrect factual information.

    To be honest, I heard that Biden recently did commit a fact challenged gaffe. Supposedly he made an announcement about shutting down a supposedly wasteful government internet site about the desert tortoise. Which the crack Wonkette reporting crew determined cost the US government 125 bucks per year and was created in spare unpaid time.

    So, a few more things like that, and yeah, Krazy Train Joe will damage his reputation along the line of making serious gaffes.

    Edit: go search below for link:
    Joe Biden Loves $125,000,000,000 Lost War, Mocks $125 Tortoise Website
    Wonkette June 14, 2011.

    Note: can’t put long link in edit.

  140. 140
    Dennis SGMM says:

    @Stefan

    I’m over 60 so my parents and I went to some of Wayne’s movies when they were in theaters. My recollection is that people went to a “John Wayne Movie.” It didn’t matter whether it was “The Barbarian” or “The Alamo,” it was a John Wayne Movie and the audience knew just what to expect. I’ll leave it to others to judge Wayne’s acting abilities because I still laugh at the Three Stooges.

  141. 141
    harlana says:

    Minnesotans, sorry

  142. 142
    Lojasmo says:

    @studly pant load #121.

    Chances are exactly nil. Obama will carry every CD except six, two, and three. Probably every CD except six, in reality.

  143. 143
    harlana says:

    If John Wayne were alive today, he would be on Celebrity Rehab

  144. 144
    someguy says:

    Hey, so she’s a serial killer fan. Big deal. Lighten up. At least she doesn’t choke b1tches, like some Supreme Court judges we know about. So by the Republicans’ diminished expectations, she’s pretty good. More viable than a fetus in Indiana, really.

    As for John Wayne – he was a draft dodging p#ssy of a right winger who would have been comfortable in the Bush / Cheney / Romney wing of today’s Republican Party. His only really good role was playing himself – a bitter, misogynist old right wing racist, in The Searchers. He was good at that for some reason.

    Gene McCarthy, written off as a p#ssy friend of draft dodgers, was a war hero. Compare/contrast.

  145. 145
    someguy says:

    Comment moderation hell… apparently, Cole doesn’t like people calling John Wayne a Right Wing P_ ssy.

  146. 146
    Bender says:

    To be honest, I heard that Biden recently did commit a fact challenged gaffe.

    Oh, really? No kidding? Write to Ripley’s! VP Gird-Your-Loins assumes that he has a knowledge of history that is rock-solid, because he’s been in Washington so long, and his ignorance is buried there by a compliant and credulous press.

    For example, he can sit across from CBS’s Old Lefty Katie Couric and state that when the stock market crashed, Pres. FDR went on TV to calm down a troubled nation. Of course, Couric is not mentally equipped to say, “Joe, are you on crack?” but that such a bizarre thought can come from a adult American’s head, and that this head is supposed to lead us, and that the media can’t/won’t refute that insane notion, is soul-crushing.

  147. 147
    AAA Bonds says:

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  148. 148
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Evolved Deep Southerner: John Cole made up for his omission of the superfluous N in her last name by giving her a superfluous L in her first name.

  149. 149
    Bender says:

    Oh goody, here comes Bender to issue the usual parade of false equivalencies and transparent “yeah-but-Obama” deflections.

    “False equivalence?” How? Besides “Shut up, that’s how!”

    And I prefer π.

  150. 150
    Yurpean says:

    Guess which fair and balanced ‘News’ organisation went with this headline for their report:
    Bachmann Bungles ‘John Wayne’ While Stumping in One of Obama’s 57 States

    They just can’t help themselves can they?

  151. 151
    CaliCat says:

    This isn’t about Bachmann making a gaffe. She does it all the time. This is about the splendid irony in this particular gaffe.

    To the people here straining themselves to make false equivalencies between Bachmann and Biden – you’re missing the point. Bachmann deserves this mockery…every bit of it…due to her history and the things she advocates for. Don’t worry, though, I’m sure you’ll find other opportunities to defend Republicans and their gaffes in the future.

  152. 152
    CAfan says:

    The importance of Bachmann’s gaffe isn’t so much as an example of her stupidity.
    It is that she is unable to hire competent speechwriters for her campaign.
    She probably insists that her staff share her anti-intellectual, brainless religious beliefs. Fact checking is anathema to such people.

    If this is how Bachmann chooses staff now, imagine how she would staff the Executive branch if she were elected.

  153. 153
    Bender says:

    Uh, right, nice try. People aren’t accusing Bachmann of doing this intentionally or being disingenuous. They’re accusing her of being an ignorant religious fanatic who doesn’t pay attention to facts.

    So you’re saying she’s a Biden, not an Obama? Being ignorant as to whether John Wayne was born before or after his parents left Waterloo seems such a small thing. Is that all there is, then (Besides the very silly Gacy ridiculousness — as if anyone would mistake Wayne for Gacy, who was from Chicago)? Someone should be outraged by that?

  154. 154
    CaliCat says:

    Yurpean – That was their “Nener-nener, Obama says stupid stuff too” headline. You’re right, they just couldn’t help themselves.

  155. 155
    JPL says:

    She made a gaffe about where John Wayne was born..no mention of Gacy.. BTW I do not like Bachmann, I think her evangelical beliefs are dangerous to a healthy society but her knowledge of history is weak and she probably doesn’t know who Gacy is.

  156. 156
    Ash Can says:

    Someone’s awfully sensitive about his sweetheart embarrassing herself in public. Since she does it so often, life must be pretty miserable for him.

  157. 157
    MarkusR says:

    I’m currently reading the book Intern Nation and it makes a good case for how our political system, among others, is based on ’employment’ of unpaid interns.

    Makes me wonder if the intern that pulled this for her (I certainly didn’t know of any John Wayne from Waterloo) did it by accident or on purpose.

  158. 158
    CaliCat says:

    Bachmann/Palin 2012!!! (I can dream, can’t I?)

  159. 159
    jl says:

    @146 Bender: Your are a malicious idiot. I said they were rare, I did not say that they did not exist.

    But I feel like playing ‘conservative troll, concern or otherwise’:

    ” Well, how do you know Biden meant the 1929 crash? Maybe Biden meant the 1937/1938 mini crash the ushered in the recession caused by conservative policies that Bender likes so much? I think Biden did mean that, therefore he did. Proving that Bender is a malicious demagogue, and also proving that conservative policies are wrong.”

    It’s an easy game to play. But better not to. When the campaign season starts, Cole is right, everyone work to crush the reactionaries, so this nonsense will be amusing, rather than dangerous.

    Edit: Bender, face it, Bachmann, spews nonsense on a regular basis, and given instant cred by the media, so it is important to note it.

  160. 160
    harlana says:

    Chris Wallace whimpers out an apology to Bachmann and Bachmann says, FU anyway! beautiful

  161. 161
    Cain says:

    BJ is full of teh ghey ads. and with it, republican ads. What does that portend?

  162. 162
    Cain says:

    Bachmann/Palin 2012 (I can dream, can’t I?)

    they can call it the crazy train!

  163. 163
    Tehanu says:

    @PTirebiter 43: Ah, those “honest stories of working people played by rich Hollywood stars!”

    The funny thing is that John Wayne was an actor , first and last. He liked musicals and played chess, which would pretty much make Michelle The Crazy Lady’s head explode if you could actually get the information into her brainless head.

  164. 164
    Suffern ACE says:

    Stupidest discussion topic of the week. I’m gonna turn into comic book guy soon, and its only Monday.

  165. 165
    Stefan says:

    I’m over 60 so my parents and I went to some of Wayne’s movies when they were in theaters. My recollection is that people went to a “John Wayne Movie.” It didn’t matter whether it was “The Barbarian” or “The Alamo,” it was a John Wayne Movie and the audience knew just what to expect.

    No one went to see “The Barbarian”. It was a huge flop.

  166. 166
    Triassic Sands says:

    Catsy

    You should’ve kept reading for the whole minute.

    I am aware that Gacy lived in Waterloo. That’s isn’t the issue. This is a minor blip (where a blip starts out being minor). If Bachmann had done her homework, she wouldn’t have had John Wayne (sheesh, how I disliked The Duke) being born in Waterloo.

    And Think Progress wouldn’t have reported that Gacy was born in Waterloo.

    Both TP and MB made silly mistakes that could have easily been avoided. My hating Bachmann doesn’t elevate the seriousness of her mistake to anything important. Think Progress should have considered the source, and done a quick fact check. Fortunately, no one was injured in the making of these mistakes.

    Redshift

    Which does make you wonder why the Times is going after Bachmann…

    Ordinarily, I would suspect that their going after Bachmann would signal that they have another favorite candidate, which is weird, because Bachmann seems like just the kind of wack-job that the WT would like.

    Now, can we get back to Weiner’s weener?

  167. 167
    maya says:

    stefan@

    No one went to see “The Barbarian”. It was a huge flop.

    Genghis Wayne was a stretch.

  168. 168
    RalfW says:

    I hope you people of Minnesota are proud of yourselves.

    About 51% of us are in constant face-palm mode. About 40% seem to love teh crazy. Clearly her district likes her, they’ve sent her back for 3 terms (or maybe they want her in DC and not in town…)

  169. 169
    Janeane The Acerbic Goblin says:

    I liked Wayne as an actor. His best work was done with John Ford. But when Ford retired in 1966 (their last film was the underrated Donovan’s Reef), he became a caricature of himself and the substance of the roles diminished badly. True Grit was probably the only decent thing he did after Ford retired. The Shootist had its moments, but I never liked it very much.

  170. 170
    Janeane The Acerbic Goblin says:

    I liked Wayne as an actor. His best work was done with John Ford. But when Ford retired in 1966 (their last film was the underrated Donovan’s Reef), he became a caricature of himself and the substance of the roles diminished badly. True Grit was probably the only decent thing he did after Ford retired. The Shootist had its moments, but I never liked it very much.

  171. 171
    Janeane The Acerbic Goblin says:

    The film where Wayne played Genghis Khan wasn’t “The Barbarian”, it was “The Conqueror”.

  172. 172
    Will Tracy says:

    John Wayne (Marion Morrison) was born in Winterset Iowa.
    John Wayne Gacy was born in Chicago (1942)and moved to Waterloo Iowa about 1965. And since it was the New York Times that said John Wayne Gacy was born in Waterloo,(not Bachman) Bachman was correct. The John Wayne’s America she wants is, the John Wayne (Gacy) who (in her own words) “was from Waterloo Iowa.”

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    Stefan says:

    My recollection is that people went to a “John Wayne Movie.” It didn’t matter whether it was “The Barbarian” or “The Alamo,” it was a John Wayne Movie and the audience knew just what to expect.

    But you know, this is true of pretty much most of the major male stars of the time — Clark Gable, Cary Grant, Humphrey Bogart, Gary Cooper, etc. People went to see “a Bogart movie” or “a Gary Cooper movie” and they knew just what to expect (alienated urban anomie and plainspoken aw-shucks rural decency, respectively).

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    Stefan says:

    I liked Wayne as an actor. His best work was done with John Ford. But when Ford retired in 1966 (their last film was the underrated Donovan’s Reef), he became a caricature of himself and the substance of the roles diminished badly.

    Yeah, but let’s not forget that by the point that Ford retired John Wayne himself was 60 years old and had been a major star for over 25 years. It’s the rare actor who doesn’t sink into a form of self-parody after that long doing the same thing.

    One could say the same of most major modern actors (De Niro, Pacino, etc.), that their later parts had sunk into self-caricatures and that their acting never again approached the peak of their first brilliant parts. (I mean, Meet the Parents versus Taxi Driver, or Ocean’s Thirteen versus the Godfather?).

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    Janeane The Acerbic Goblin says:

    @Stefan…

    Absolutely. De Niro and Pacino (and I would include Nicholson to some degreee) have become caricatures of themselves in the same way that Wayne did.

    It’s a shame, too, especially about Pacino, Nicholson, and De Niro, who are far better actors than Wayne ever was.

    Hard to believe Travis Bickle is now doing the Fockers movies.

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    West of the Rockies (formerly Frank W.) says:

    So, we have those who have already bowed out as potential Republican candidates: Thune, Daniels, Trump, Huckabee, Barbour, et al. And it’s pretty clear that some of those still standing will falter (or never catch fire): Santorum, Gingrich, probably T-Paw…

    Will it truly come down to Mittens and Crazy Eyes? Will Palin come thundering in on a white horse (or on the back seat of a black Harley)?

    These don’t sound like formidable opponents… However, I envision King Theoden before the seige of Helm’s Deep (I paraphrase): “Is that all? Is that all you can muster, Saruman?”

    In general, regarding the conservative movement of this country, I think another Theoden quote fits: “What can men do against such reckless hate?” The modern Republican party: squealing, rampaging orcs….

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    Kurzleg says:

    Well, she doesn’t represent my district, so… Also too, she represents the whitest, richest district in MN. Go figure.

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    kathy says:

    hahahahha …that is so funny…and what about the one Obama said about his daughters birthday…13 0r 12 ??/ and hahahhah waht about the one that Obama said that we have 57 states or was it 51???? LOL you are so humorous to point out someones gaffes ! what about “put your foot in your mouth BIDEN !!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE STUPID A$$ES THAT SCREWED THIS COUNTRY UP AND YOU THINK WE AMERICANS WILL PUT OBAMA BACK IN THE CONTINUE ??!!! YOU ARE RUNNING SCARED THAT OBAMA WILL LOSE SOOOO YOU “HATE VITRIOL” SPILLS OVER LIKE NIAGRA FALLS….RUNNING,BECASUE THE REAL AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF YOUR LEFTIST ,ELITISM AND PROGRESSIVE CRAP….DSAD REALLY THAT THIS IS ALL YOU CAN POINT YOUR SORRY,NO GOOD FINGERS AT AND INPUNE BACHMANS NAME …PATHETIC,BUTLEFTIST SOCIALIST ALWAYS ARE !

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