Mitch Daniels Murder Watch — an update.

Last month I wrote about the consequences of Governor Mitch Daniels decision to push for defunding Planned Parenthood in Indiana.

In it, I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation of cancer deaths that would result from the loss of just one of the services Planned Parenthood provides to Hoosier women, the administration of 500 Pap tests per week.  That led to a rough estimate that the withdrawal of that service (without replacement) would produce three to four unnecessary deaths per year:  women cut down just as surely — but with much more suffering — as if Mitch Daniels and his allies had shot them in the face.

Well, we’re getting there folks.  The Indiana Star reports that Planned Parenthood will cease to provide Medicaid services as of today; those among most in need will suffer:

“Our 9,300 Medicaid patients, including those who had appointments Tuesday, are going to see their care disrupted,” said Betty Cockrum, president of Planned Parenthood of Indiana.

The state of Indiana is also likely to see a rise in the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases, as…

…the new law also strips Planned Parenthood of roughly $150,000 in funding for prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, money that paid for three intervention specialists — health workers who track down the partners of someone who tests positive for an STD and ensure they are tested and treated. Two of those specialists, who were based in Muncie, have been laid off, and a third, in Lafayette, is now employed in a different capacity.

That leaves Planned Parenthood with a single specialist, in Lafayette.

Wear a condom or demand one be worn if you’re planning to make a bit of whoopie on your next opportunity in Indiana, I guess…but hell, I don’t even have the heart for snark any more.

Next up:  regular Wednesday closings for all PP clinics in the state, and, if a judge doesn’t block the implementation of the Indiana law, eight out of twenty eight of those facilities will shut their doors for good.

People are going to get sick, some of them will die as a result, and all because Mitch Daniels and your modern Republican party has decided that the abortion litmus test now demands that tax payer dollars can’t even be told that there are other dollars out there that might pay for something no federal ducat would dream of being exchanged for.

Those Republicans, predictably, conclude that the deaths — the murder — of Hoosiers severed from access to even basic health care is actually the fault of those who are being stopped from providing that care:

Sue Swayze, legislative director for Indiana Right to Life Anti-Women’s-Autonomy, said that with Monday’s reduction in services, Planned Parenthood has “made it clear what their priority is.”

“They wouldn’t stop providing abortions even in the interim to keep the women’s health services,” she said.

State Sen. Scott Schneider, R-Indianapolis, who authored the defunding language, echoed that criticism in legislative debate in April.

“If (Planned Parenthood) wants to receive taxpayer money,” he said, “they can simply stop practicing abortion.”

The shorter: cease providing a legal service with private money, or we’ll kill some women.

Anti-choicers don’t like being accused of valuing life only until it leaves the womb, but that’s too bad:  this is where you see exactly that (im)moral choice being made.

I don’t have words to express my contempt for these people.  Murders are being committed before our eyes, and that we will never know who the victims were only makes it worse.

Images:Paul Cezanne, The Murder, 1870

Paul Gauguin, The Spirit of the Dead Keeps Watch, 1892.

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90 replies
  1. 1
    Gus diZerega says:

    Well said. By the standards of the religion they pretend to follow, they are Satanists.

  2. 2
    Han's Solo says:

    I’m starting to think the main campaign contributors for many of these Republicans must be the coat hanger industry.

  3. 3
    nancydarling says:

    Tom, I read somewhere after the Indiana lege defunded Planned Parenthood that donations to the Indiana PP had gone through the roof. I don’t have the numbers or memory of where I read it. Do you know what gives with that?

  4. 4
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    As an Illinoisan, I’d say that if you have to go to Indiana to make whoopie, maybe you need to spice up your sex life a little.

  5. 5
    Tom Levenson says:

    Reply to nancydarling @3: donations did surge, but according to the article at the Star, the 100K that came in ran out this week.

  6. 6
    geg6 says:

    As always, with the wingers, it’s all about how they can hurt poor women and children the most. They love them some potential babies (except they don’t love them enough to make sure their mothers have prenatal care), but real women and babies are useless and should just die.

  7. 7
    qwerty42 says:

    Tom, Tom, Tom. Defunding Planned Parenthood is all part of the Freedom Agenda™ and the Republicans’ laser-like focus on jobs. Really, you need to start paying attention.

  8. 8
    JCT says:

    There’s nothing these morally bankrupt weasels won’t do to gather some wingnut cred is there?

    Meanwhile — how do we present this as the true outcome of Republican “rule”, the ultimate cautionary tale?

  9. 9
    Gordon Guano says:

    Um, use condoms regardless of where you’re having sex. 1 in 6 people has herpes, including Paris Hilton. Those are the same odds as Russian roulette. With fewer PP clinics, I don’t see them improving.

  10. 10
    Ash Can says:

    They don’t even value life while it’s in the womb. These same people will happily see funds cut for pre-natal care for economically disadvantaged women, because health care is a privilege, not a right, don’tcha know.

    ETA: And I see that geg6 got there first. Seriously, the abortion issue is nothing more than a prop for the GOP, to get money and votes. How despicable is that?

  11. 11
    Han's Solo says:

    qwerty42 – Too true!

    I long for the day when the Republican plan to create jobs by giving tax cuts to the wealthy really starts working. It’s been 30 years, I’m sure it will work soon.

    Once that works they’ll move on to their next genius plan: Getting rid of the national debt by teaching unicorns to shit rainbows!

  12. 12
    LGRooney says:

    they can simply stop practicing abortion

    Need I add…

    … “because we know if it is not provided in a safe environment, abortions will cease, or women will die trying to get them. Either way, problem solved. No hussies (who turned me down constantly or actually practiced all that chastity bullshit in high school), no problem.”

  13. 13
    burnspbesq says:

    My fantasies of seeing someone prosecuted didn’t survive a first reading of the Indiana criminal code provisions that define the various forms of homicide. Merde!

  14. 14
    alwhite says:

    Well, that’ll learn ’em for enjoying their neither regions! If God wanted women to have control over their lady parts He would have given them dicks. Now ya’ll go away an stop screwin!

  15. 15
    BO_Bill says:

    A pap smear costs around $100 on the free market ($50 to $200 per the About.com Cervical Cancer link). Denying funding to Planned Parenthood would cause those wanting discounted services to go to the, gasp, County Health Department for the same discount.

    Murderers!

    There are murderers in the government all over the place. Consider Eric Holder. Here, Eric strong arms local governments to lower the passing grade on standardized tests to ‘F’ to accommodate potential black policemen and firemen.

    Now, the loss of life associated with having stupid firemen and policemen is justified, you see. Because if you would like your community to be served by fire and police departments with traditional American standards, you are insensitive, racist, and deserve a random chance to be MURDERED. Just like those women who will not go to the County health clinic for their discount smear.

  16. 16
    Silver says:

    The GOP position is simple: A child in the womb is a product of God’s own hand, a blessing for the ages. Once it pokes out of the vagina, it’s another damn (insert correct ethnic slur here) welfare mouth screaming for tax dollars.

  17. 17
    Warren Terra says:

    Tom, don’t you know that the primary cause of cervical cancer is the sexually transmitted virus HPV? The people Daniels is condemning to death are not just women, they’re not just poor – they’re also having sex. It’s a trifecta, it’s three-strikes-you’re-out. Letting them die is too good for them!

  18. 18
    Dennis SGMM says:

    The Republicans are just reacting to the fact that women are more likely than men to vote Democratic. Republicans don’t see the defunding of PP of it as murder by neglect, they think of it as terminal disenfranchisement.

  19. 19
    Hill Dweller says:

    Hey, look over there! A black man is Attorney General!

  20. 20
    jibeaux says:

    There’s just too many depressing stories. People simply have to learn to stop voting Republican. They can learn the easy way, from watching the horrifying consequences, or they can learn the hard way, by living them, but there’s only one solution. Let’s hope that the level-headed folks in Indiana and many other states carry the day next time.

  21. 21
    Warren Terra says:

    I can remember when, back in the day at Obsidian Wings, Brick Oven Bill was positively civilized.

  22. 22

    alwhite #14

    Well, that’ll learn ‘em for enjoying their nether regions! If God wanted women to have control over their lady parts He would have given them dicks. Now ya’ll go away an stop screwin!

    Hee-hee.

  23. 23
    BO_Bill says:

    Its all Hilzoy’s fault.

  24. 24
    geg6 says:

    Just like those women who will not go to the County health clinic for their discount smear.

    Hmmm, perhaps they don’t go to their county health clinic because their county doesn’t have one, just like my county does not.

    But fuck ’em. They’re just whores for everyone but BOB, which explains his usual woman hating schtick.

    And, no, I’m not ignoring his usual racist schtick. Just giving up on the whole idea of trying to explain bias in standardized testing to an idiot.

  25. 25

    @Gordon Guano: Um, use condoms regardless of where you’re having sex.

    I initially read that as “regardless of whether you’re having sex,” and I wasn’t sure what to make of your fashion choices.

  26. 26
    kdaug says:

    Let me see if I got this straight – the pro-war, pro-death-penalty, pro-STD, pro-billionaire, pro-“women-dying-trying-to-get-a-back-alley-abortion” party calls itself the “Pro-Life” party?

    Their book ain’t the Bible. It’s Leviathan.

    They’re the descendants of the witch-burners, and this country won’t move forward until they’re driven from politics.

  27. 27
    jonas says:

    It’s not that the pro-life crowd wants women to stop having sex or stop having abortions. After all, a lot of reproductive health workers can tell you stories about seeing a young woman one day picketing their clinic, telling them they’re going to hell, only to see her a month later on the table asking — discretely — for an abortion. It’s important, especially for good, white Christian girls, with a reputation to think about that doctors quietly offer these services. Just like in the 50s (ask any woman who grew up in the era). What they want is for those who can’t discretely pay to erase evidence of their wantonness to have to *pay* for it by either having a baby they don’t want (that’ll teach ’em to keep their knees closed next time!) or dying or being permanently injured in a self-inflicted or botched back-alley abortion.

    After all, what good is your purity if those who do sin don’t have to pay the wages for it?

  28. 28
    geg6 says:

    Silver @16:

    A child in the womb is a product of God’s own hand, a blessing for the ages.

    Nope, they don’t even believe that. Take a look at funding for prenatal care for the poor and the working poor. Fuck that zygote if its slutty mother can’t pay for health insurance.

  29. 29
    Nikita says:

    What’s all this talk of affordable healthcare for the poor womenfolk? Those poor women should go rob a bank like this dude:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_.....re-in-jail

    We don’t need no stinking soshulist medicine. Keep Obamacare away from hardworking Americans!

  30. 30
    Superking says:

    Can we not do this:

    women cut down just as surely—but with much more suffering—as if Mitch Daniels and his allies had shot them in the face.

    I take your point that this disastrous policy may lead to the unnecessary deaths, but can we please not accuse our political opponents of shooting people in the head? Please?

    I don’t even think it’s an effective way to make your point. It’s basically like calling them Nazis.

  31. 31
    kindness says:

    Better yet. Don’t spend your money in Indiana.

    Let those bastards suck on that.

  32. 32
    Violet says:

    It’s kind of odd that the crowd that most wants to control women’s sexuality is the same crowd that is most opposed to women wearing burkas. You’d think they’d be all for it. Maybe they’re kicking themselves that the danged Muslins got there first.

  33. 33
    bemused says:

    They want to prohibit americans from getting health care, reproductive services, sex or food. Most of them probably treat their pets a hell of a lot better, exception my dog likes to ride on the car roof Mitt. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them would send people to extermination centers without a thought if they could get away with it.

  34. 34
    Mnemosyne says:

    I take your point that this disastrous policy may lead to the unnecessary deaths, but can we please not accuse our political opponents of shooting people in the head? Please?

    I think it’s more of a reference to this guy than to the Nazis. Especially since the reference is to little people being trampled by politicians.

    ETA: Here’s the other half of the Whittington story — Whittington had to make a public apology for being so clumsy as to let himself be shot by Cheney.

    That’s what “shooting someone in the face” generally refers to.

  35. 35
    Han's Solo says:

    Superking – Um, need I remind you that the #2 guy (in more ways than one) of the last administration actually DID shoot someone in the face?

    Also too, this is a comment section on a political blog. People who hang out at places like this, at least some of them, consider hyperbole a sport.

    Also too part two, this policy will directly lead to the death of women. You can express that thought in many ways, but how you dress it up doesn’t change what it is.

  36. 36
    JCT says:

    @Violet

    It’s kind of odd that the crowd that most wants to control women’s sexuality is the same crowd that is most opposed to women wearing burkas. You’d think they’d be all for it. Maybe they’re kicking themselves that the danged Muslins got there first.

    No doubt if they could they would. I’ve given up trying to figure out what is “too far” with these terminal assholes, it’s seemingly limitless.

  37. 37
    Catsy says:

    They don’t even value life while it’s in the womb.

    Bingo.

    It’s about punishing unapproved sex and controlling women’s bodies. It has always been thus. If they were actually concerned about 1) reducing abortions and 2) preserving unborn life, you’d see an entirely different set of priorities from Republicans.

    But no. It’s really all about sex and gender roles.

    Everything else is bullshit they sell to evangelical and independent rubes, some of whom actually believe it.

  38. 38
    Whiskey Screams from a Guy With No Short-Term Memory says:

    1 in 6 people has herpes, including Paris Hilton.

    Gordon Guano: You are wrong by a rather large percentage. 85% of the population are carriers.

    Most of them will never have an outbreak, and it is not an issue for them. But virtually all people all carriers.

  39. 39
    Dame9743 says:

    I moved from the Hoosier state in 2007 to Boston, and the thought that I might have to move back gives me the shivers. Not saying that Boston doesn’t have its share of problems, but at least I don’t have to put up with this kind of shit constantly.

  40. 40
    Whiskey Screams from a Guy With No Short-Term Memory says:

    I take your point that this disastrous policy may lead to the unnecessary deaths, but can we please not accuse our political opponents of shooting people in the head? Please?

    Five words: Gabby Giffords, Sarah Palin’s map.

    I’m fine with the accusation. It’s both truthful and accurate.

  41. 41
    Dame9743 says:

    More of a curiosity than anything else, but are there any Hoosier ex-pats out there among the BJ commentariat?

  42. 42
    efgoldman says:

    @ 30 Superking – June 21, 2011 | 4:34 pm

    It’s basically like calling them Nazis.

    Yeah? And your point is?

    There was some infinitesimal piece of logic in IN actions when Mitchie-boy was running for the GOBP preznit nom. But he’s not, anymore. Which shows that he’s not just the weasel we thought he was, but a thug, and yes a murderer also too.

  43. 43
    Chris says:

    @ – jonas

    After all, what good is your purity if those who do sin don’t have to pay the wages for it?

    That sentence encapsulates why they’re so obsessed with gayness, also.

    I mean, gayness is a sin. Biblically speaking. But it’s a sin that only “affects” a definite minority of the population. For a straight male, thundering against homosexuality is a cheap way to enforce morality while knowing that you’ll never have to pay for it yourself – the sin doesn’t concern you.

    On the other hand, if anyone ever got serious about outlawing extramarital sex – another sin, of the same nature, according to the same part of the same Bible – you can bet they’d be a lot more measured in their enthusiasm for the campaign.

  44. 44
    efgoldman says:

    Also too: Does anyone know if there is a court case or injunction pending against the state for this bullshit?

    Any chance federal HHS will sue? Maybe to take money back that’s already been allocated?

  45. 45
    Gordon Guano says:

    @Whiskey Screams: I stand corrected. Damn, Paris Hilton gets around.

  46. 46
    Catsy says:

    I’m fine with the accusation. It’s both truthful and accurate.

    It also graphically drives home the key point here: Republican policies kill people.

    One of the most appalling things about our modern political discourse is how detached the policy discussions are from the harmful consequences of the policies. When Republicans defund essential medical services like this over culture war shibboleths, they are sentencing a nontrivial number of people to death just as surely as if they’d ordered the execution themselves.

    If you don’t like the imagery conjured by likening it to shooting them in the face, substitute strapping them to the electric chair or slitting their throats or whatever else you like. But the point needs to be hammered home until it sticks: Republican policies kill people.

  47. 47
    efgoldman says:

    @ 41 Chris – June 21, 2011 | 4:56 pm

    On the other hand, if anyone ever got serious about outlawing extramarital sex – another sin, of the same nature, according to the same part of the same Bible – you can bet they’d be a lot more measured in their enthusiasm for the campaign.

    I don’t have time to do research, but I’m guessing that most of the state and local laws against adultery have never actually been taken off the books.

  48. 48
    Geeno says:

    Grrr, Whiskey Screams beat me to the Gabby Giffods call back.

  49. 49
    efgoldman says:

    @ 44 Catsy – June 21, 2011 | 5:02 pm

    Republican policies kill people.

    Yup. Thank you.

  50. 50
    Chris says:

    It also graphically drives home the key point here: Republican policies kill people.

    This.

  51. 51
    geg6 says:

    And I have to bear someone’s pearl clutching over imagery when women will die over this? And let’s not even get into the sexism involved here. This is a life and death issue here. A shot in the face would show more mercy than forcing people to die of cervical or ovarian cancer. This is a death sentence, regardless of the method.

  52. 52
    Nutella says:

    Republican policies kill people.

    Because it’s most important to them to make sure that the maximum number of people are poor and desperate. If some of them die, so what? As long as the undeserving get maximum suffering it’s all good.

    Jesus Christ would be spinning in his grave, if he had one.

  53. 53
    Mike R. says:

    I’m quite comfortable with the way Tom has framed this. Conservatives do not care about the value of life, the quality of life for those in need nor do they even care much for their own who will undoubtedly suffer collaterally. They are not Nazis but they seem to be untroubled that people, many people will die and suffer needlessly because of their adoration for the almighty dollar. They are the new personification of evil

  54. 54
    The Spy Who Loved Me says:

    I had no idea that Indiana was so backward. To think that Planned Parenthood is the only entity in the entire state offering health services to women is absolutely shocking!

  55. 55
    Makewi says:

    You can blame Daniels for this, but aren’t you being disingenuous to not blame Planned Parenthood as well for choosing abortion over these other programs? The political realities of their situation left them with a choice, and they chose abortion over these other programs.

  56. 56
    JPL says:

    makewi,…surely you are kidding..look at the charts and you can see for yourself that planned parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions. For you that was a weak post.
    Edit..republicans could care less about the child..prove me wrong by linking to charts where they promote health care for the born.

  57. 57
    Cain says:

    Ah.. Lafayette, IN. Most awesome place in Indiana. (and my home town) Just in case you don’t know how awesome they are.. you should check out the wikipedia article on Lafayette, IN.

    Now even more awesome, the only place where they can fund Planned Parenthood specialists.

  58. 58
    JCT says:

    To think that Planned Parenthood is the only entity in the entire state offering health services to women is absolutely shocking!

    What part of the fact that PP provides an overwhelming proportion of health care to poor and disadvantaged women is confusing you? Or could it be that some of those browns might get some care?

  59. 59
    Felinious Wench says:

    You can blame Daniels for this, but aren’t you being disingenuous to not blame Planned Parenthood as well for choosing abortion over these other programs?

    Abortion services are 3% of what Planned Parenthood offers, and they don’t use Federal funds. I believe you’re saying that they should stop providing that 3% of abortion services to save the 97% of other services they provide.

    This is a moral argument that people are welcome to have. But abortion is a medical service. Give me proof that defunding the abortion services of Planned Parenthood will reduce the need for medical care for women (which is, after all, what Planned Parenthood provides), making that a cost-effective decision. I BELIEVE getting rid of those services will only lead to increased need for medical services from botched abortion attempts. It’s not cost-effective. Unless they die from an unsafe abortion, of course.

    Women will abort whether it’s legal or not, funded or not. Criminalizing or defunding abortion services will not stop it.

  60. 60
    Tom Levenson says:

    FWIW, I’m still pissed I haven’t been nominated for a Moore Award. Just sayin.

  61. 61
    karen marie says:

    @makewi: You apparently believe that there is no such thing as a “necessary” abortion. I hope, if you are a woman, you are ready to accept the chance of dying if you choose to or accidentally become pregnant. But why are you so eager to make all women pay that price?

  62. 62
    Ecks says:

    I agree with everything Tom says here, but the argument that “policy X leads to people dying, therefore passing it is murder” tends to be a problematic line of rhetoric because this sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. We could make our roads safer and reduce a handful of traffic deaths a year if we spent more money on putting up more barriers and better markings, and we increased the amount of time traffic lights showed yellow between red and green… And this is true pretty much regardless of how much you spend, because you could always spend more. But we set a large, reasonable budget, and set a value of how much we will spend per marginal human life saved (currently a couple of million bucks I believe), and nobody thinks that not spending more is the equivalent of shooting people in the face (even though, in some sense, it is).

    The difference here isn’t that they are advocating spending less money, and this will lead to more deaths. It’s that they are cutting a very SMALL amount of money that would save quite a lot of lives, and the reason they are doing it are more puritanical and hypocritical.

    But that’s not nearly so punchy a bottom line as ‘republicans kill people’, and in politics messaging often matters more than finely tuned technocratic logic, so, y’know, fire away :)

  63. 63
    Earl Butz says:

    But why are you so eager to make all women pay that price?

    He’s working on a skinsuit and needs some new material?

  64. 64
    NR says:

    Republican policies kill people.

    Which only underscores the need for more bipartisanship. Bipartisanship will fix everything! We just haven’t tried hard enough yet!

  65. 65
    Superking says:

    At Mnemosyne at 34.

    It’s also a reference to Gabriel Giffords and George Tiller. I don’t see how it special points for being Cheney duck-hunting related, i.e. funny/accidental, and avoids the deranged murderer references.

    But if you insistent, HAHAHAHAHA, Mitch Daniels wants to go duck hunting with your ladies!!! HAHAHAHAHA

  66. 66
    Earl Butz says:

    But if you insistent, HAHAHAHAHA, Mitch Daniels wants to go duck hunting with your ladies HAHAHAHAHA

    No. Mitch Daniels wants to murder every woman you know by denying them healthcare.

    Full stop.

  67. 67
    JPL says:

    karen marie -@ 60…I had a friend that I would walk with that gave birth to a child that she never saw but lived for 2 days with massive deformities. Her husband wanted another child and she agreed after genetic counseling. They knew that was a huge chance that she might have to abort. It was because the ability to abort that she tried again. When she delivered a healthy child the first thing her husband said and he has ten toes and ten fingers. My son later looked at me and said don’t all babies and I said no.
    Repubs are assholes.

    Edit..makewi is still using google to prove that repubs like actual life.

  68. 68
    Superking says:

    At Han’s Solo, No. 35,

    Um, need I remind you that the #2 guy (in more ways than one) of the last administration actually DID shoot someone in the face?

    See above response to mnenonenyenena, or whatever. Also, the problem with drawing the Cheney analogy is that Cheney didn’t kill anyone. So, when you say that Mitch Daniels’ policies are going to kill people like that one time Dick Cheney shot someone in the face and didn’t kill him, you’re not making any sense. /shrug.

    Also too, this is a comment section on a political blog. People who hang out at places like this, at least some of them, consider hyperbole a sport.

    That doesn’t justify it. I mean, based on your comments, I can only conclude that you like being assfucked by barbwire wrapped dildos while people shit in your mouth. I’M JUST ENGAGING IN HYPERBOLE FOR SPORT!

    Also too part two, this policy will directly lead to the death of women. You can express that thought in many ways, but how you dress it up doesn’t change what it is.

    What it changes is how your message will be received and acted on. If you say this is a disastrous policy that is going to hurt women and families, people will listen to you. If you say it’s a policy akin to shooting someone in the face, you have lost your audience.

  69. 69
    Superking says:

    At Whiskey Screams from a Guy With No Short-Term Memory

    Five words: Gabby Giffords, Sarah Palin’s map.

    Exactly my point. It’s because Sarah Palin does this that I don’t want to. We can take cues from Sarah Palin or we can be better than that. And for what it’s worth, Palin only appeals to about 25% of the electorate. It is not more effective to go around using a rhetoric of violence.

  70. 70
    JPL says:

    Superking @ 70…better than that does not get you on the news. How does the electorate know we are better than that?

  71. 71
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Also, the problem with drawing the Cheney analogy is that Cheney didn’t kill anyone.

    Tell that to hundreds of thousands of corpses in Iraq.

  72. 72
    superking says:

    Yes, villago, I forgot that time cheney went to Iraq and shot hundreds of thousands of people in the face.

  73. 73
    JPL says:

    Ah,, makewi goes into hiding and superking arrives…nice..

  74. 74
    Ruckus says:

    Hey let’s play softball here. We don’t want to offend anyone, even though their ideas and policies will cause people to suffer and die. And the left saying that rethuglican policies will kill people is the same as rethuglicans telling people to kill those they don’t agree with. Logic fail.
    I realize you don’t want to be like them. No one but a sociopath wants to be like them. But pussy footing around the truth won’t and hasn’t gotten the job done. Our being the nice guys has not accomplished it’s goals. We haven’t convinced enough people not that we disagree with the right, which is not that hard to figure out, but that the right wants all the money and doesn’t care if people die to get it. In fact it may be a bonus for them.

  75. 75
    Davis X. Machina says:

    It’s not the abortion, that’s clear, when they don’t provide in their model legislation for charges of murder against the woman and the physician, they’re just posturing.

    It’s the contraception. There will be NO FUCKING. Period. And if there is, it has to be as risky as possible.

    Those sluts don’t shame themselves, people. Get with the program.

  76. 76
    JPL says:

    Davis x machina..I’m afraid you are right. We are one supreme court appointee away from overturning Griswold V CT., imo.

    edit.. there is one thing I hadn’t thought about, pharma would be really pissed and that might stop Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito. There would be a lot of money lost.

  77. 77
    Makewi says:

    @Felinious Wench #59

    Abortion services are 3% of what Planned Parenthood offers, and they don’t use Federal funds. I believe you’re saying that they should stop providing that 3% of abortion services to save the 97% of other services they provide.

    Yes, that is what I am saying. Daniels has stated that “Any organization affected by this provision can resume receiving taxpayer dollars immediately by ceasing or separating its operations that perform abortions.”

    Planned parenthood is stating quite clearly that the “3%” is the most important part of their business. So much so that they are willing to forgo other medicaid funding to keep it.

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    Makewi says:

    @karen marie #61

    You are making an argument, or putting words in my mouth to that effect, about the decision by Daniels. I am not talking about that. I am talking about what Planned Parenthood decided to do once Daniels made his play.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    There is one thing I hadn’t thought about, pharma would be really pissed and that might stop Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito. There would be a lot of money lost.

    These people don’t have a different view of macroeconomics—they have no macroeconomics at all.

    They have a theology.

    (And no micro beyond double-entry book-keeping on a good day, and that required to maimtain a checkbook register on a bad one.)

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    JPL says:

    makewi…what came first..the chicken or the egg. Planned Parenthood provides services for the poor. They do not take federal funding for the 3 percent they serve for the legal right to have an abortion but the governor of indiana decided to punish the poor for those 3 percent. It is unfortunate because in a perfect world Planned Parenthood would have changed that name to Planned Parenthood Two.. happy now..
    I’m still waiting for charts that show me how much money not the dems but the repubs put towards childbirth and the born. Do you not care about anything but the unborn.
    It is time to care about the born…

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    Makewi says:

    JPL, just because you want to change the subject doesn’t mean I am required to. Your down-home cliche’s and claims to care about the poor cannot hide the fact that you are fine with Planned Parenthood choosing abortion over the 97% of other services they provide to the poor.

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    JPL says:

    Makewi..you lost me. It wasn’t planned parenthood that changed the rules but whatever. As a taxpayer what I know is that we will now pay more for medicaid to treat the poor.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @The Spy Who Loved Me:

    I had no idea that Indiana was so backward.

    The Klan was formed in Indiana.

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    Tookish says:

    @82
    How is PP supposed to serve the needs of the women they see, for the purpose of REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, if they don’t provide a certain necessary service that is legal, privately funded, and is a core aspect to REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH? Your argument presumes that if PP doesn’t provide that service, that it will have no impact on their mission to provide women with REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH services. I argue that REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH services require abortion as one aspect among many. That other 97%, or some significant part of it, will be affected by women going septic from botched attempts, women lacerating their cervixes, women puncturing their uteruses, women hemorrhaging from ectopic pregnancies that weren’t caught and aborted in time…etc. See how this works? All of a sudden, that 97% becomes a whole different, messy, expensive, and morally reprehensible ball of wax when a simple procedure, integral to women’s REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH (that we call abortion) is no longer available.

    PP cannot, in good conscience, refuse to provide that service. They will be ensuring that women end up in far worse shape. Their response is the only ethical one. They provide REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH services. That’s what they do. If the state wants to cherry pick which services they will allow and hold women hostage in the process, PP cannot ethically stray from its stated mission in response. Their job is REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH services. Isolating abortion as the one service that must go is only possible in the mind of a crazy woman hater. It’s not the job of PP to join in that effort.

    Shorter Tookish: You don’t negotiate with terrorists

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    Chet says:

    @ Catsy #37

    It’s about punishing unapproved sex and controlling women’s bodies. It has always been thus. If they were actually concerned about 1) reducing abortions and 2) preserving unborn life, you’d see an entirely different set of priorities from Republicans.

    But no. It’s really all about sex and gender roles.

    Also too, the black/brown/Muslim hordes are outbreeding us because desirable white Christian women aren’t doing their duty to reproduce.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    It’s also a reference to Gabriel Giffords and George Tiller.

    Oddly, I don’t think it supports your point to complain that it’s mean and divisive of us to point out that conservatives frequently try to murder people they don’t approve of. Are we supposed to pretend that George Tiller was not murdered by an anti-abortion fanatic and that women will die or be permanently injured because Dr. Tiller was not there to help them?

    Unless your point is that it’s really not so bad to let women die a slow, lingering death from cancer that could have been detected at a PP clinic, I really don’t see what your point is. Is it just too, too uncivil to point out that women can die from untreated cancer and cutting them off from cancer screenings means that more of them will die?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    You are making an argument, or putting words in my mouth to that effect, about the decision by Daniels. I am not talking about that. I am talking about what Planned Parenthood decided to do once Daniels made his play.

    It’s so funny how the same people who scream about “government overreach” when it comes to Obamacare have no problem at all with the government cutting off funding to a group if they don’t stop providing a service that the government doesn’t even pay for. So much for your deep devotion to liberty and keeping the government out of people’s lives.

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    Pat says:

    Look on the bright side….the dildo industry must be happy.

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    someofparts says:

    Just mentioned this to woman at my office. Her response was that now women will have to learn to be careful. Gotta love that black middle class.

    First thing this morning, some Drudge-reading person (that I continue to be friends with because we have known each other so long) sent me a yukkity yuk yuk email about Anthony Wiener. No point in explaining why that’s offensive either, because she tells me flat out she won’t read anything I send.

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    someofparts says:

    Not to give offense, I should amend above to say right wing members of the black middle class.

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