Feel the Hermentum

But where are the frickin’ laser beams attached to the alligators’ heads?

“Put me in charge of the fence and it will be a twenty foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on the top. And on this side of the fence, I’d have that moat that President Obama talked about. And I would put those alligators in that moat!”

There’s a video too.

The “hope and change ain’t workin'” is eerily like something out of Hollywood Shuffle.

(via WARN, which riffs off of a casting call for the next Cain video)






137 replies
  1. 1
    Steve says:

    He sure does put the ism in populism.

  2. 2
    dmsilev says:

    At which point, drug smugglers start digging tunnels.

    Or bribing the guards.

  3. 3
    mr. whipple says:

    How did that goofball get a crowd like that? Did they give away free pizza?

  4. 4
    stuckinred says:

    I look at this shit and can’t help but think about the REM show in the ATL the summer before the election. Stipe did a quick little appeal for folks to vote for Obama and the boo’s were almost as loud as the cheers. fucking goobers

  5. 5
    gnomedad says:

    How long before he’s know as Herman “Can’t Call HIM Racist!” Cain?

  6. 6
    stuckinred says:

    @gnomedad: How bout yesterday?

  7. 7
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @stuckinred:

    Atlanta proper, or somewhere out in Gingrich-land?

  8. 8
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    “Hope and change ain’t workin’! That’s why I support despair and regression!”

  9. 9
    JPL says:

    Herman Cain believes in regressive taxation as a way to get our country on track. The only time I heard him speak was on talk radio trying to explain why the Wall Street Journal was wrong on the Fair Tax.

    EDIT..He’s running the I got mine and fuck the rest of you campaign. imo

  10. 10
  11. 11
    stuckinred says:

    @Spaghetti Lee: Lakewood, Southside toward the airport but pretty much a honky crowd. I mean a lot of people that go see groups like REM and the Boss were into them when they were drunken frat boys and now they’re old drunk frat boys.

  12. 12
    Mike Kay (True Grit) says:

    He forgot to include landmines and punji pits.

  13. 13
    stuckinred says:

    @Mike Kay (True Grit): claymores

  14. 14
    Mike Kay (True Grit) says:

    What was this, a “concerned citizens council (CCC)” rally?

  15. 15
    Mike Kay (True Grit) says:

    @stuckinred: sure, but I’d go for a mix, including toe-poppers, bouncing bettys, and foo gas.

  16. 16
    stuckinred says:

    @Mike Kay (True Grit): Looked to me like a Fair Tax operation. Boortz and Hanity can raise a crowd in Atlanta with ease. Boortz is a huge Cain butt boy and had a AA conservative side-kick named Royal Norman who recently died that gives him cred with some folks.

  17. 17
    cathyx says:

    It’s so unreal to hear a black man talk and think like he does. It makes no sense. Where did he get his viewpoints?

  18. 18
    stuckinred says:

    @Mike Kay (True Grit): roger that, cover all the bases

  19. 19
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    @cathyx:

    Being rich and hanging out with other rich people.

  20. 20
    stuckinred says:

    @cathyx: “In April, he teased the audience at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference about his being a possible 2012 presidential candidate by saying that there may be a “dark horse candidate.”

  21. 21
    JPL says:

    @cathyx: Read my comment @ 9…
    Truth be known it’s not just a black problem. If you listen to talk radio, it preaches I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,…after all it’s found in the bible.

  22. 22
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @JPL:

    He’s running the I got mine and fuck the rest of you campaign. imo

    Which in and of itself does little to differentiate himself from the rest of the Rethuglican pack.

  23. 23
    stuckinred says:

    This clown is nothing compared to Allan West.

  24. 24
    13th Generation says:

    Man, that crowd is white.

    Hope my dad isn’t there (who used to be kind of moderate and cool until he married a woman from Arizona.)

  25. 25
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Ain’t nothing new.

    Just another “house negro” in a thousand dollar suit teling lies and kissing massa’s ass.

    Move on, folks, nothing to see here.

  26. 26
    MikeBoyScout says:

    Cain’s sight is broken.
    Can’t find where to order my pepperoni pie with extra sauce.

  27. 27
    Hunter Gathers says:

    Somebody owes Stephen Colbert some money.

  28. 28
    Observer says:

    you folks, black or white, border on racism. Again.

    Why is Cain a clown? He was chairman of the Kansas Federal Reserve Bank back when Bill Clinton was president in the mid 90s.

    Why, exactly, must he be compared to Allan West. After being a highly successful Burger King regional manager (best in the country) Cain was given the Godfather pizza chain to turn around. He did that and then led a management buyout of it from Burger King. That’s a Horatio Alger rags to riches story.

    Why, exactly, must the term “house negro” appear in these comments.

    How does someone who was the head of the restaurant association of America and a highly successful motivator have to be questioned as to why or how he can pull big crowds *in his own g-damn hometown/homestate base*.

    For f*cks sakes, you people are a-holes sometimes.

  29. 29
    Zyla says:

    has he thought about just how expensive it would be to keep alligators in a desert?

  30. 30
    Martin says:

    Fixed defenses are monuments to man’s stupidity. – George S. Patton

    Why does Cain hate the military?

  31. 31
    jl says:

    Because of Nobama’s environmental regulations, designed to enslave us all and kill sweet grandmas, all we can afford in the moat are large mouth bass with dentures.

    Was that the punchline, bass with dentures? I forget.

  32. 32
    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    Because he’s a fucking clown. Black, white or green, he’s an ignorant teabagger, and not a serious candidate for president.

    That’s why.

  33. 33
    Chris Wolf says:

    Cain is an absolute idiot, and nobody on the right has figured that out yet. That’s pretty pathetic. But these are the people who needed two months to figure out that Colbert wasn’t really one of them.

  34. 34
    Steve says:

    @Observer:

    Why is Cain a clown? He was chairman of the Kansas Federal Reserve Bank back when Bill Clinton was president in the mid 90s.

    He is a clown as a politician. His business resume is fine. Do you think Donald Trump is a clown?

  35. 35
    Martin says:

    @Observer:

    Why is Cain a clown?

    He said he wouldn’t sign a bill that was longer than 3 pages. I wonder, did he sign any contracts that were longer than 3 pages? Does he really expect a federal budget that is 3 pages long?

  36. 36
    Doug Harlan J says:

    @Observer:

    I agree that he was professionally successful and have said before that I don’t see why he’s more of a joke than Tim Pawlenty.

    That said, the act he puts on is creepy, there’s no way around it. A black man saying “ain’t” and dropping all his g’s for all-white, right-wing audience is creepy.

  37. 37
    JPL says:

    @Observer: I just went through the comments.. go through the comments 1-27 and point out the racists ones…please…

  38. 38
    ChrisNYC says:

    Cain said on CNN that gun control, by states, was a-ok.

    There’s quite a debate going on at HotAir — the majority appear support the “theory” (their word) that the 2nd Amendment and the whole Constitution applies only to the feds. So, these theorists say, states can snatch your damm guns pronto, so shut up, Cain is the candidate. And states can make you go to church and start smashing printing presses too, so there!

    A few crazy dissenters are insisting, insisting that the US Constitution does in fact control what states can do to citizens. But, thank God, those dimwits are busily being chased away. Another win for “the movement.”

  39. 39
    Joel says:

    @Chris Wolf:

    Cain is an absolute idiot, and nobody on the right has figured that out yet.

    Incorrect. Those are his credentials, right there.

  40. 40
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: And Allan West is a highly decorated combat officer. So the fuck what?

  41. 41
    Observer says:

    @Martin:
    The only one who is a clown in this circumstance would be the person who is unable to separate rhetoric and hyperbole meant to whip up fervor amongst one’s supporters from a sincere pledge to do something.

    Clown.

  42. 42
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Observer: He wasn’t “chairman of the Kansas [City] Federal Reserve Bank.” He was on its Board of Directors. An interesting credential, to be sure, but it’s basically a perk of his stint as CEO, rather than an entirely separate resume line.

    ETA: For example, the current chair of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia is Charles P. Pizzi, President & CEO, Tasty Baking Company, Philadelphia, PA. That doesn’t mean that the guy who makes fruit pies is directly setting the region’s monetary policy.

  43. 43
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: So vote for him, who gives a rats ass?

  44. 44
    Mike Kay (True Grit) says:

    according to Lawrence o’donnell, 16 Blingrich staffers have quit. 16!

  45. 45
    Observer says:

    @stuckinred: There are lots of highly decorated combat officers. Why exactly do you compare Cain to West?

  46. 46
    13th Generation says:

    I’m curious. Is Cain the Right’s answer to Obama? If so, they’re even more screwed up and delusional than I imagined.

    Now where’s Caz and Pancake, et al when you need them?

  47. 47
    Observer says:

    @JPL: I wrote “border on” not “is racist”.

    You can go through them yourself. Perhaps start with the one comparing Cain to Allan West.

  48. 48
    Martin says:

    @ChrisNYC:

    “no state shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”

    Fucking 14th amendment, how does it work!?

  49. 49
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: Because they use their race to gain legitimacy for their teabag bullshit. Bamboozled chump.

  50. 50
    quaint irene says:

    Why is Cain a clown?

    Because pretty much everything that’s come out of his mouth since he announced his running. ‘Won’t sign a bill longer than three pages.”

  51. 51
    Martin says:

    @Observer: The guy is running to be President of the US. Hyperbole and fervor isn’t part of the job. Neither he nor you seem to realize that.

  52. 52
    Observer says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Both Wiki, and numerous other sites claim him to be the Chairman.

    The Kansas Fed also says he was chairman.

    So I believe he was in fact chairman based on the Kansas Fed Reserve Bank website.

  53. 53
    Steve says:

    The question is whether Observer is sincere (and nuts) or whether he is just doing the flip side of the mythical “any criticism of Obama is racist!” position that every liberal supposedly holds.

  54. 54
    cat48 says:

    He’s worked for Americans For Prosperity for the KOCHS doing “Seminars”. Truthout said he may be a “stalking horse” for Koch b/c with Delegates; Koch could write part of the GOP Platform. His campaign manager worked for WI Scott Walker,Gov/UnionBuster. AND Americans For Prosperity! When he Wins, he will sign a pledge that as President to NEVER raise taxes.

    I didn’t read the rest.

  55. 55
    Observer says:

    @stuckinred:
    Cain has been saying mostly the same things for about 20 years now. He was instrumental being the scenes in killing Clinton’s health care bill.

    Don’t see how he knew 20 years ago that the Tea Party was going to spring up and his well rehearsed lines were going to be in favor.

  56. 56
    JPL says:

    I have problems with Thomas who used affirmative action to gain admittance to school and now wants to say it’s unconstitutional. I have problems with Paul Ryan who survived as a child because of a safety net and now wants to rid the country of safety nets. I have problems with a millionaire who believes in regressive taxation and lack empathy and I have problems with West because he’s an asshole.
    What does border on racist mean exactly..that’s a new term for me…I live in the south and believe me I know racists.

  57. 57
    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    Your racism strawman is bullshit. He’s the weakest candidate yet (and that’s saying something.) When he doesn’t make it past Iowa or NH, then who’s your man? Gingrich?

  58. 58
    JPL says:

    @Steve: OMG…is Cole bored again?

  59. 59
    Observer says:

    @Martin: Dude, it’s a campaign.
    If it isn’t hyperbole then it’s probably a dog whistle or just an plain ole lie.

    “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”. What the ‘eff do you think that was other than hyperbole?

    Has the POTUS been going around for the past two years appointing regular non-politically connected folks to his White House or did we miss something between all the Blue Dogs and bankers.

  60. 60
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: Yea right.

  61. 61
    kdaug says:

    @Observer:

    Racism? Srsly? What the fuck race am I? Are any of us here? Answer the fucking question.

    See, the funny thing about racism is that it requires – by definition – one “race” pitted against another.

    You make the racism jab, you’d best know who the fuck you’re talking about.

    Jackass. (1)

    (1) Not intended as a slur against all jackasses, just this one.

  62. 62
    Observer says:

    @13th Generation:
    I don’t think he’s the weakest one yet and I sure wouldn’t vote for him but…”house negro”…really?

  63. 63
    ChrisNYC says:

    @Martin: I’m a lawyer and how amendments apply is hard sometimes so it’s not fair to laugh but man. It’s a stunning collection of crackpottery, the comments.

    I think my favorite is, “Cain is more *constitutional* than the rest of you.” The man himself is constitutional. We have a candidate, my friends!

  64. 64
    Observer says:

    @kdaug: I wrote “borders on”.
    Comments like “house negro”, clown and

    “It’s so unreal to hear a black man talk and think like he does. It makes no sense.”

    (Comment #27: I like that one the best )

    borders on racism.

  65. 65
    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    I never used that term. But he’s a buffoon, regardless of what color he is. You sure have been defending him, if you won’t vote for him, then who?

  66. 66
    JPL says:

    @Observer: FYI..The Thin Black Duke at 25 used that comment in quotes.. That happens to be a comment I would not use and maybe the commenter would explain it.

  67. 67
    stuckinred says:

    @13th Generation: The Thin Black Duke did and a brother can call out a brother.

  68. 68
    Observer says:

    @stuckinred:
    Here’s youtube of Cain vs Clinton circa 1994 on health care.

    Was he a tea partier then? Or just a clown? Why does a black man talk and think like that. Even though he wasn’t running for anything, he really must have been a house negro already.

  69. 69
    JPL says:

    @Observer: What does border on mean? Normally you either are or aren’t racist..just curious.

  70. 70
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: Both, and you are a moron. How ya like me now?

  71. 71
    JPL says:

    @Observer: If he is associated with the Koch’s, then he was. They might not have named the organization yet but it was there. The problem that I have with libertarians is changing their name to make it more appealing to the public.

  72. 72
    scav says:

    slight observation. Anytime a single contributor, especially a new one, takes up more or less 50% of the available airspace, the hairs on the back of my neck (not to mention certain bs detectors) perk up. Just to state the bleeding obvious.

  73. 73
    ruemara says:

    @Observer:

    I’m black. I second the comment

    “It’s so unreal to hear a black man talk and think like he does. It makes no sense.”

    . I don’t ever use the term “house negro”, but I do use the phrase “self hating”. It fit Clarence Thomas and it certainly seems to fit Herman Cain.

  74. 74
    Doug Harlan J says:

    @Observer:

    I don’t have a problem with the points you’re making at all, I’m glad someone is bringing them up. But I think that some of what Cain does goes over the line a bit into a minstrel show. That doesn’t diminish his professional record, but it’s fair to point it out.

  75. 75
    stuckinred says:

    This racist would like to hang around but I have to watch LeBron whup up on Dirk!

  76. 76
    Observer says:

    @13th Generation: I wouldn’t vote for him the same way I wouldn’t vote for Newt Gingrich or Mike Huckabee or, to use someone who never held elected office, Ralph Nader.

    They are just wrong on the issues. But I don’t think someone who, unlike Donald-my-father-was-already-a-millionaire Trump, Cain was in the Navy, Chairman of a Federal Reserve Bank and CEO of a management-bought highly succesful company deserves to be called a “house negro” or a clown just because of that.

  77. 77
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Observer: He was chairman of the KC Fed’s advisory board Board of Directors. You’re confusing that position with the president of the KC Fed. There’s no such thing as “chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank.”

    ETA: Current chairs and deputy chairs include the heads of Smucker’s and Home Depot. Like I said, it’s an interesting credential, but you’re attributing too much policymaking experience to it.

  78. 78
    13th Generation says:

    @stuckinred:

    No problem with that, just responding to Observer.

    BTW, like all your Athens references. I’m a (former) Georgia boy myself. Was just in ATL last weekend for a wedding.

  79. 79
    boss bitch says:

    Observer asks why do we say Herman Cain is a clown:

    “You don’t see that talked that much about,” said Cain. “It’s not Planned Parenthood. No, it’s planned genocide. You can quote me on that.”

    “I am only going to allow small bills — three pages.”

    We asked him, in light of his statements on Islam, would he be comfortable appointing any Muslims in his administration. Rather than skirting the question or hedging his answer, as most presidential aspirants are wont to do, Cain was definitive: “No, I will not”

    There is this creeping attempt, there is this attempt to gradually ease Sharia law and the Muslim faith into our government. It does not belong in our government. This is what happened in Europe. And little by little, to try and be politically correct, they made this little change, they made this little change. And now they’ve got a social problem that they don’t know what to do with hardly.

    I believe homosexuality is a sin because I’m a Bible-believing Christian, I believe it’s a sin,” Cain said, adding, “I believe it is a choice.”

    TP: Mr. Cain, you recently came under fire for your comments about the kind of people you would appoint to your cabinet. Would you be opposed to appointing an openly gay but qualified person to be in your cabinet?
    CAIN: Nope, not at all. I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all. I just want people who are qualified, I want them to believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. So yep, I don’t have a problem with appointing an openly gay person. Because they’re not going to try to put sharia law in our laws.

    Before he asked about right of return, Wallace noted that Cain had accused Obama of throwing Israel “under the bus” with his suggestion that Israel return to 1967 borders. Cain reiterated that stance, saying he’d offer nothing to the Palestinians “to make peace.” And yet, when asked about the right of return, Cain said, “That’s something that should be negotiated.” He also said, “Yes, they (Palestinians) should have a right to come back, if that is a decision that Israel wants to make.”

    Continued….

    If Cain knew anything about Israel’s policies, he’d have known that that’s a decision Israel has already made – against the right of return. So, the Cain campaign issued a statement last night trying to walk back and recast his answer to make it look as though Cain knew what he was talking about.

    “The liberal mainstream media, notice how they have tried to destroy Sarah Palin, notice how the more popular Michele Bachmann gets, the more they try to destroy her? You want to know why they go after those two ladies more viciously? Because they know that Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin is going to draw a lot of the women vote away from the Democrat party. They are scared to death of that if they were to run and get the nomination. They are doubly scared that a real black man might run against Barack Obama.”

    Successful businessman? http://motherjones.com/politic.....wsuit-2012

    CLOWN!!

  80. 80
    Observer says:

    @Doug Harlan J:
    That’s my point. He only invokes mental images of a “minstrel show” because he’s black. And so the namecalling starts.

  81. 81
    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    stuckinred says it’s ok for a brother to call out another brother. Whatever. He’s still a clown. And you still haven’t said who you like in 2012. I’m genuinely curious.

  82. 82
    Observer says:

    @FlipYrWhig: No, there’s no confusion. Never wrote he was the president, always said he was the Chairman.

    My point is that, not for nothing, it does something to get that role.

  83. 83
    Doug Harlan J says:

    @Observer:

    No, it’s because he plays up his blackness, using ain’t all the time, joking about being a “dark horse” candidate, saying people call him a racist when he criticizes Obama. Doing all that for a white audience, most of whom would repeal civil rights if they could, is worthy of mockery.

  84. 84
    13th Generation says:

    @Doug Harlan J:

    But I think that some of what Cain does goes over the line a bit into a minstrel show.

    Now I’m beginning to think that you’re sockpuppeting us.

  85. 85
    scav says:

    @Observer: So, calling him a clown is ok? Cause your I wouldn’t vote for him routine pushed the admittedly heuristic meter to 12.

  86. 86
    stuckinred says:

    He wasn’t IN the goddamn Navy

    “He graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics and received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971,[8] while he was also working full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy.”

    Looks like a draft dodger to me.

  87. 87
    Observer says:

    @boss bitch: geepers, do you want me to go and pull all the McCain speeches where he confuses Sunni and Shite muslims? Even after being repeatedly correctly by Lieberman.

    Does that make McCain a clown in your eyes?

  88. 88
    JPL says:

    @stuckinred: Who’s gonna win the game tonight?

  89. 89
    Observer says:

    @stuckinred: I stand corrected on that aspect. Thanks for correcting the record.

  90. 90
    Citizen_X says:

    They are doubly scared that a real black man might run against Barack Obama. [My emphasis.]

    Hey Observer: If Cain’s gonna say shit like this, don’t go yelling “Racism!” when other black people call him a house negro.

  91. 91
    Steve says:

    Observer thinks Cain was “instrumental” in killing Clinton’s health care bill. INSTRUMENTAL. Bahahahaha!

  92. 92
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Observer: Right, and what it takes is being a mover and shaker in a local business–like Tastykake, Smucker’s, or Godfather’s Pizza. It’s the same credential. It doesn’t broaden the portfolio.

  93. 93
    stuckinred says:

    @JPLHeat!

  94. 94
    Observer says:

    @Doug Harlan J: There’s lots of different ways of reacting to that ploy of his.

    Some might say he’s addressing the elephant in the room in a humorous way. There are other interpretations.

    But, and I think this is the real point, I don’t think how a black person reacts and addresses the issue of being one of the few black people in an otherwise mostly white crowd/movement should then be held against that same black person as a way of determining his “seriousness” with respect to the other candidates. Borders on racism, no? If not racism, then what irony?

  95. 95
    stuckinred says:

    @Observer: OK, I get it. You are just foolin around here. Country First, Blow in the Wind John McCain is obviously a clown. Thanks for bringing it up though.

  96. 96
    jacy says:

    @Observer:

    deserves to be called a “house negro” or a clown just because of that.

    Um, I think he’s being called a clown because of the umpteen fucking crazy things he’s said. In fact he’s less like a clown than a pinata filled with crazy. There, I compared him to a pinata, does that make me some kind of cross-race racist?

  97. 97
    Observer says:

    @FlipYrWhig: No but it does point to some sort of institutional or peer respect. And again, I didn’t point this out in isolation. His being elected to the presidency of the restaurant assocation of America does the same thing.

    Nothing about his peers/associates or past positions or jobs points to “clown”. His positions really are pretty mainstream Republican for today, he’s being saying them for 20 years…where’s the respect? none. Why? Who knows.
    Except race-tinged words and phrases – dog whistles if you may – keep popping up by when he’s being discussed by his political opponents.

    I mean I made fun of him too (link) on this very same blog but there’s no code words there in my fun.

  98. 98
    jacy says:

    Does that make McCain a clown in your eyes?

    I’m taking that as a rhetorical question. McCain was like one of those old, drunken mean clowns that would get bored and roust mimes.

  99. 99
    JPL says:

    @jacy: nope..just border on…
    Border on racist btw is a made up term that one can use if they don’t want to debate the facts..

  100. 100
    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    His positions really are pretty mainstream Republican for today,

    And that’s all you need to say..

  101. 101
    Davis X. Machina says:

    ….in six months, he’s the answer to a trivia question.

    He’s a footnote. Not worth the tsuris already here expended…

    How ’bout them Bruins?

  102. 102
    Mike in NC says:

    @stuckinred:

    He graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics and received a Master of Science degree in computer science from Purdue University in 1971,[8] while he was also working full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy.”

    Looks like a draft dodger to me.

    Hmm. I wonder what might have been happening between 1967 and 1971 that would have caused that?

    But seriously, of the 32 odd people looking for the GOP nomination in 2012, did a single one ever serve in the military?

  103. 103
    jacy says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    How ‘bout them Bruins?

    I’m itching to see Vancouver crushed like an empty paper cup on a freeway.

  104. 104
    scav says:

    @Davis X. Machina: the ones that went through a windshield?

  105. 105
    MazeDancer says:

    @13th Generation:

    Had the opposite reaction: Where did they get all those people of color to do this? And those babies. All those shades of caramel babies. Really slick, really sick.

    Had this feeling that Repubs would like him because they could feel “Hey, he’s black, so it’s okay we can go ahead and hate Obama all we want. Racism is okay now” And those black preachers were scary stuff. Dog whistle ultra Christian, yet excusing wanting the black guy out of the White House at the same time.

    Herman’s got some idea of how to use media and imagery. That had everything. Some of that would work as lead-in to NASCAR TV. Not writing him off. It’s not like he’s got any competition. And the target market sees strange and lightweight in experience as an asset.

  106. 106
    stuckinred says:

    @Mike in NC: Does being CIC count?

  107. 107
    Observer says:

    @jacy: Clown, house negro, “for a black man…”. It wasn’t just one thing or comment in isolation.

    It’s like calling Palin Cariboo Barbie. There’s lots of other things to call her without being sexist about it and there’s lots of things to call Cain without needing to bring out the term “house negro”.

    Pinata full o’crazy actually seems reasonable. That’s sorta something one might call Palin or Bachman.

    Just asking for equality within the world of political insults as well as in other aspects of life.

  108. 108
    Steve says:

    @Observer: For the umpteenth time, he is a clown because he goes around saying all this stupid populist shit like “there shouldn’t be any bill longer than 3 pages.” You seem to think, because the issue page on his website is mainstream Republican stuff, no one can call him a clown no matter what he says when he’s actually campaigning.

    The man understands conservative ideology and slogans quite well. He is obviously very intelligent. But his understanding of public policy issues is on a Sarah Palin level, and so instead of offering a campaign of substance he resorts to all this clownish populist crap. If you want to think “clown” is some kind of racist code word then whatever.

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    Observer says:

    @JPL: JPL, I gave you lots of facts. Debated both the facts and the terms. One can do more than one thing at the same time. And the term, as applied, was accurate in my opinion.

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    jl says:

    ‘Clown’ is the best thing I can say about any of the GOP candidates. Does that make me a racist?

    This observer, a nasty clown if ever there was one, owes some people an apology.

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    13th Generation says:

    @MazeDancer:

    I guess my reaction is that these people at his rally love his policy positions (god help them) and the fact that he’s black, well, See, we’re not racist, we’ve got a black guy too!

    It’s awfully cynical of me, but I just can’t see any other explanation.

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    Observer says:

    @Steve: If “clown” was the only thing he was called, I would never have opined in.

    Perhaps you can search for other dog whistles in this thread. you might start with “house negro” and continue on to “It’s so unreal to hear a black man talk and think like he does. It makes no sense”. What does that even mean?

    In any case, clown==minstrel and a stereotype for blacks. It depends on context as how one should take it. When it’s paired with terms like “house negro”, some might take it to be meant in a certain way. Others may differ in their reception.

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    rikyrah says:

    Cain is a clown, an Amateur and a dancing, jigging slave catcher.

    I cringe just watching him. Watching a grown-assed Black man shin and grin like he does just makes me as a Black woman pissed the f-off!

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    Observer says:

    @jl: Well if you don’t understand how “clown” paired with “house negro” paired with “for a black man…” might be taken in a certain way then you may as well rename yourself Godot because you’ll be waiting a long time for any apologies from me for saying it “borders on” racism.

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    13th Generation says:

    @Observer:

    Why are you so obsessed with the “house negro” moniker? Are you, in fact, personally offended by that? It just seems a little disingenuous. Help me understand your pain.

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    Steve says:

    @Observer: First of all, that “clown==minstrel” thing was the dumbest fucking thing you have said yet. I’m going to just forget you said it.

    “House negro” is not a “dog whistle.” There is nothing subtle about it. It is not a signal that only like-minded people can hear. It is a very pointed accusation that the guy is going around telling white people what they want to hear for political gain.

    I don’t agree with that, and I don’t like that kind of rhetoric myself, but it’s not “racist” and it’s certainly not a “dog whistle.” You seem to live in a very, very simplistic world where any reference to someone’s race is “racist.”

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    Steve says:

    @Observer: Also, “paired” does not fucking mean “I saw these words at different points from different people in the same comment thread.” I know I said I was going to just forget about this, but when you reach the point of arguing that people who call pretty much every GOP candidate a “clown” are being racist when they apply it to Herman Cain, you’ve just gone way way off the deep end. You’re not the racism police, you’re just someone who needs help.

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    gwangung says:

    @Observer:

    In any case, clown==minstrel and a stereotype for blacks.

    Dude, are you being a Professional Negro when you say that?

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    MazeDancer says:

    @13th Generation:

    Absolutely, Cain gives them permission to celebrate their heinous policies. Kinda of like Palin’s being starbursty female makes the extra nasty hating okay.

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    scav says:

    Some epithets you earn and some are gifts.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    If Cain believes this rightwing shit – and clearly he does – and he’s interested in politics and can lay claim to the national stage, why can’t he run for President without being called a house nigger or minstrel or whatever? I don’t recall the charge being made against Keyes or Sharpton or Carol Moseley-Braun or Lani Guinier.

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    middlewest says:

    FYI guys, when someone spends a thread moaning about an obvious drive-by troll, 9 times out of 10 he’s the troll sockpuppeting.

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    Joel says:

    @Observer: You’re bordering on the line between trollery and dumbfuckery. Note: I did not say you crossed the line.

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    Yevgraf (fka Michael) says:

    @Observer:

    Don’t see how he knew 20 years ago that the Tea Party was going to spring up and his well rehearsed lines were going to be in favor.

    He’s a car parker at the KKK rally. Same as Keyes, same as Uncle Tom Sowell, same as Klukker shill Walter Williams, same as houseboy Clarence Thomas.

    Oh, and Fuck You, bitch.

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    Comrade Kevin says:

    Observer == Concern Troll.

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    Mike Kay (True Grit) says:

    I didn’t know Tom Sowell was black.

    Aww, now I see why Palin goes out of her way to mention him.

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    In any case, clown==minstrel and a stereotype for blacks.

    Don’t be deliberately ignorant, Observer. “GOP clown” is a long standing meme on this site and elsewhere.

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    pattonbt says:

    @Observer: Yes, it does make McCain a clown in my eyes. McCain in a political clown. Cain is a political clown.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Down and Out of Sài Gòn: Someone is not aware of all Internet traditions.

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    @Joel:

    You’re bordering on the line between trollery and dumbfuckery. Note: I did not say you crossed the line.

    There’s a line?

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    Stefan says:

    @Observer:

    You know who else used rhetoric and hyperbole to whip up fervor amongst his supporters…?

    Hey, I’m just sayin’….

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    chopper says:

    @Observer:
    so the fact that he didn’t even know what the right of return was, that was just him trying to whip up fervor in his followers?

    to me, it signifies severe clownage. severe.

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    chopper says:

    @Observer:

    since when is ‘clown’ a racist term? and as for the dude who called him a ‘house negro’, how do you know that particular poster is non-black?

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    DFH no.6 says:

    Fucking rightwing troll with not a smidgen of self-awareness stupidly calls out leftwing (liberal, progressive, who cares what label) commenters for using absolutely accurate terms of criticism for yet another fucking Uncle Tom stooge polluting our political scene with his completely clueless, clownish bullshit – sucking up to the neo-Confederates – as if it’s the leftwingers who are the racists (or rather, weasel words “bordering on racism”).

    Rightwing troll projects like a motherfucker, but then, like racism, projection is a crucial component of being a rightwinger (deliberately or subconsciously, doesn’t matter).

    Fuck all fucking fascists. They are the enemy of mankind, pure and simple. Including asshole brownshirt Observer.

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    DFH no.6 says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    why can’t he run for President without being called a house nigger or minstrel or whatever? I don’t recall the charge being made against Keyes or Sharpton or Carol Moseley-Braun or Lani Guinier.

    If you can’t see the difference among the people you listed (and, by the way, Keyes is most definitely an Uncle Tom, as much as Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain) then I can’t help you.

    Doug Harlan J, back at comment 83, had a good explanation of why Cain most certainly deserves the specific criticism and epithets he is getting here.

    Cain’s doing his deliberately race-based schtick on the stump for a lot of neo-Confederate goobers who, in previous generations, would have been more than happy to string him up for the slightest provocation, or, for the more cowardly among them, at least have enjoyed themselves thoroughly at the lynching.

    That’s the crowd this asshole is consciously, purposely, shucking and jiving for. That’s why he’s an Uncle Tom, and worse.

    If you truly don’t get that, and aren’t just fucking with us, then you’re clueless.

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    Matt says:

    What he *needs* to propose is a pedestrian overpass to Canada – he can name it the Spic Span!

    (Frisky Dingo ref, for those who didn’t catch it)

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    Killface says:

    @Matt: Wait–damn, I had something for that!

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