Open Thread: Red Meat for the Troops

From New York‘s Daily Intel, “David Koch Gives President Obama Zero Credit for Bin Laden’s Death“:

Considering the stark partisan divide over the amount of credit President Obama deserves for the death of Osama bin Laden, it should probably not come as a surprise that billionaire David Koch, a rabidly anti-Obama conservative activist, isn’t ready to throw any praise Obama’s way. Strolling toward the dining area last night at the Society of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Spring Ball, he told us that it was the military and intelligence agencies that deserved all the credit, while “all that Obama did was say ‘yea’ or ‘nay,’ we’re going to take him out or not. I don’t think he contributed much at all.” He continued:

“He just made the decision, it was obvious where the guy is. He was one of the worst terrorists organizing attacks on the United States. I mean, no president in his right mind would not approve that decision to go eliminate him. So he’s getting a lot of recognition and his polls have jumped up, but his decision was the easiest of them all. The real hard work was done by the intelligence and the SEALs.”

So it’s probably safe to say that Koch hasn’t contributed to the boost in Obama’s poll numbers since bin Laden was killed? Obama is “a hardcore socialist,” Koch told us, “and he’s marvelous at pretending to be something other than that, but that is what I believe he truly is, a hardcore socialist. He’s scary to me.”

Never let it be said that President Obama doesn’t have all the right (Right) enemies…

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131 replies
  1. 1

    …he’s marvelous at pretending to be something other than that, but that is what I believe he truly is, a hardcore socialist. He’s scary to me.

    Good. Pee in your fucking shorts every time you see his face, hear his name. Spend your billions driving your lemming hordes to the edge of reality, and leave them there. Spend every waking moment thinking about the scary black man in the white house.

    Fucking asshole.

  2. 2
    Yutsano says:

    Obama is “a hardcore sociallist,” Koch told us, “and he’s marvelous at pretending to be something other than that, but that is what I believe he truly is, a hardcore sociallist.

    Funny that David seems eerily non-plussed at the fact that his father earned his fortune dealing with a hardcore sociallist. Of course expecting consistency from wingnuts is like expecting turnips to bleed on your dinner plate.

  3. 3
    Malron aka eclecticbrotha says:

    Found this in the comment section at rumproast:

    Seen on teh interwebs from some comedian: this is the only time in history a bunch of white guys are trying to take credit away from a black guy for shooting someone.

    Perfect.

  4. 4
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    David Koch has more money than God and is completely divorced from reality. That is scary to me.

  5. 5
    Fred says:

    But if things went Jimmy Carter you can bet your bottom dollar Koch would have been taking out full page ads in the NYTimes pointing out how it was ALL Obama’s fault!

    Last week it was “Obama’s war…he needs to take full ownership and stop blaming Bush for everything”. This week it’s “Bush’s war”.

  6. 6
    CA Doc says:

    As the kids say, “whatever”. Nobody is listening to this bozo right now.

  7. 7
    The Dangerman says:

    Uh-huh; as if the decision to dangerously send in a team or easily blast the place to bits was an easy call. For an overpaid CEO to say another CEO (likely underpaid) doesn’t deserve any credit is pretty sad. Wonder what this asshole said about Bush when Saddam got whacked?

  8. 8
    Linkmeister says:

    I’d love to hear Obama out on the campaign trail referring to the Koch brothers as “hardcore robber barons.”

  9. 9
    Mark S. says:

    Unlike Bush . . .

  10. 10
    dmsilev says:

    And I’m sure that if the mission had ended in a fiasco, David Koch would have said that Obama bore no responsibility whatsoever.

    Right?

  11. 11
    licensed to kill time says:

    They’re all just a bunch of little green-eyed monsters.

    It just KILLS them that Obama got Osama.

    Wankers.

  12. 12
    Valdivia says:

    @Malron aka eclecticbrotha:

    awesome.

    Also take note how the media will celebrate Obama’s decision/success by throwing Bush a party in the Sunday shows. What the fuck.

  13. 13
    Fred says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Yup. Much worse than that. He has absolutely zero knowledge of everyday life. He was born surrounded by extraordinary wealth. He has zero knowledge of what it is like for 99.99% of people in the world who have to earn a living.

  14. 14
    RSA says:

    @CA Doc: Exactly. I expect that no one in the Obama administration, in particular, gives a shit about what David Koch thinks, as rich a schlub as he is. Koch is just a Monday morning quarterback. It would be galling to him, if he even realized it.

  15. 15
    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Here is a scene from Robert Greenwald’s Koch Brothers exposed.

    @Linkmeister: Yes I agree as a matter of fact refer the Kochs as the financial version of Osama Bin Laden. Paint the Republican party as subsidiary of Koch Industries. A free bumber sticker

    “Things Don’t Go Better With The Kochs”

  16. 16
    Egypt Steve says:

    @Mark S.: Well, I think Koch is clearly right that “no president in his right mind” would have failed to go after OBL if the chance presented itself. I think Bush’s sleeping away the chance to get OBL at Tora Bora is a good example of what they call “The Exception that Proves the Rule.”

  17. 17
    moops says:

    I love that this asshole is in the news, and on camera, and part of the narrative. For years he controlled the narrative and agenda from the comfort and privacy of his billionaire’s lofts.

    Most Americans never saw the man controlling what they thought and did.

    Now, they can see the puppet master for their Teabag cause. An actual lunatic.

  18. 18
    Evolved Deep Southerner says:

    God damn it. Just got in from the store with a pack of fucking Angel Soft toilet paper. I’ll wipe my ass with pages out of my old issues of The New Yorker before I make that mistake again.

  19. 19
    Uncle Clarence Thomas says:

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    Never let it be said that President Obama doesn’t have all the right (Right) enemies…

    All the right friends, too – the Nobel Peace Prize II Committee, balloonbaggers, the healthcare, military and prison industries…
    .
    .

  20. 20
    General Stuck says:

    My personal fav wingnut poutwhine came from Andy Card

    I thought his statement was subdued, but I think his schedule is not subdued. Personally, I think it is premature to go to Ground Zero, in New York. I think my role model in this would be George H. W. Bush, when the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. It was a day to celebrate, but we did not dance on the Wall.

    “I think he has pounded his chest a little too much,” Card said. “He can take pride in it, but he does not need to show it so much.”

    Yea right. Obama should tone it down some like maybe landing on a Aircraft Carrier in a fighter jet with a mission accomplished sign to greet “The Decider”

    It would have been all kinds of kool if Obama had parachuted into the trade tower site wearing a Captain America uniform with a streaming banner saying “The Finisher” . Dick Cheney’s electric ticker would finally blow a fuse, not to mention real americans everywhere let out the mother of all gasps.

  21. 21
    CA Doc says:

    All I know is that ordinary people around me who don’t care that much about politics, have really been following this story and lapping up all the details. As far as they are concerned, the buck stopped with Obama and he met the challenge.

  22. 22
    Jennifer says:

    O/T, but I’ve got the exclusive on OBL’s snuff pics here.

    Back on topic, we could say that David Koch didn’t really do anything to become disgustingly wealthy. All he did was be born to the right parents; he didn’t really contribute anything at all.

  23. 23
    Cat Lady says:

    @General Stuck:

    Wingnut tears – they are delicious.

  24. 24
    Tom Hilton says:

    All the right enemies, and (sadly) some of the left enemies as well–Chomsky, Moore, Greenwald…

    I’m looking forward to someone synthesizing the Koch and Moore critiques into something like “he didn’t actually do anything, but it was totally illegal”.

  25. 25
    RSA says:

    The current wingnut narrative, as I understand it, is that Obama can take no credit for having killed bin Laden (Koch), yet he’s made a disastrous tactical error in having killed bin Laden (Yoo), and in any case he just shouldn’t talk about having killed bin Laden (Card). In a nice wingnutshell.

  26. 26
    JGabriel says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    Things Don’t Go Better With The Kochs

    OR

    Whoring Goes Better With Koch.

    .

  27. 27

    @CA Doc: Same here. Spent some time last evening with some fairly hard-core wingers, and it was “he got the job done.” Grudgingly respectful, though sometimes that’s the best kind.

  28. 28
    Chad N Freude says:

    @The Dangerman: Saddam didn’t get whacked. He was tried, sentenced to death, and executed by an Iraqi tribunal that wasn’t answerable to Bush.

  29. 29
    Maude says:

    @licensed to kill time:
    It make it worth while to get up in the morning.
    The Sunday shows will have all those Bushies that know nothing about the mission, but will tell the audience all about it.
    This is killing the Bushies and I love it.
    Change we can believe in.

  30. 30
    General Stuck says:

    @CA Doc:

    Yea, there really is no mature way to spin this event. It was like Guiliani said the first day after, that Obama took the risk, and it was a huge one and highly easy for it to have all gone to shit, and he would have certainly gotten all the blame for that. Most Americans, outside the 27 percenters, understand this if nothing else.

    The real damage politically for the wingnuts is not Obama’s jumped approval numbers, it is the fact that in one single stroke, he wiped out a huge political issue for the coming election, that almost always pays dividends to them. Not no mo.

  31. 31
    Hal says:

    Conservatives are hill-harry-hoe-us with this Bin Laden thing. They absolutely hate that it was Dem, and worse, Obama, who has this victory. They know the American public by and large sees this as Obama’s success, so what else are they going to say or do? Be quite, or try to throw water on this victory.

    Funny thing is, if it were Bush instead of Obama, Koch, Limbaugh and Palin would be pushing for Bushes head on Mount Rushmore.

  32. 32
    JCT says:

    @Cat Lady:

    Wingnut tears – they are delicious.

    And so damn COPIOUS of late. I need a bigger bucket.

  33. 33
    JGabriel says:

    @Egypt Steve:

    Well, I think Koch is clearly right that “no president in his right mind” would have failed to go after OBL if the chance presented itself. I think Bush’s sleeping away the chance to get OBL at Tora Bora is a good example of what they call “The Exception that Proves the Rule.”

    That’s only an exception if you think Bush was ever in his right mind.

    .

  34. 34
    demz taters says:

    Saw this candidate for Poe’s Law in the comment section at American Spectator:

    Actually, some kudos should go to Donald Rumsfeld. It was his contention from the gitgo that the best way to go after bin Laden was by means of swift, stealth swat-teams rather than massive troop deployments which would look like an occupation. So, at the end it was the Rumsfeld strategy that finally accomplished the mission, not the 100,000 boots on the ground.

  35. 35
    Judas Escargot says:

    @Evolved Deep Southerner:

    God damn it. Just got in from the store with a pack of fucking Angel Soft toilet paper. I’ll wipe my ass with pages out of my old issues of The New Yorker before I make that mistake again.

    Ironically enough, this would make an excellent New Yorker cartoon caption.

  36. 36
    ppcli says:

    @General Stuck: I remember reading various right-wing sites and watching TV the day Bush played Commander Codpiece in front of the “Mission Accomplished” banner. I couldn’t find a word to describe the embarrassing effusion on display, but if I were to choose an English word that came closest, it would be “orgasmic”. G. Gordon Liddy speaking admiringly about Bush’s crotch comes especially to mind. Exercise for the Daily Show interns: find clips of these guys (Card, Rove, Rush,…) going all gooey about the “Commander in Chief” on flightsuit day and then compare them with the sour grapes over Obama’s rather restrained press conference.

  37. 37
    gbear says:

    Can we agree that it’s finally time to eat him?

  38. 38
    licensed to kill time says:

    @Maude:

    Funny thing, when Obama was elected my SO and I were talking about how amazing it would be if Obama actually caught bin Laden, after all the flailing about that Bush did in that respect.

    I, for one, am enjoying the extra-special flailing the Bushbots are doing right now. I am tempted to drop a Mustache Meme on them…Suck.On.This.

  39. 39
    PeakVT says:

    … that is what I believe he truly is, a hardcore soçialist.

    If Obama is a “hardcore soçialist” then Koch should be able to tell us what means of production the President is planning on seizing, right? Surely he has a list prepared, just waiting for someone to ask for it.

  40. 40
    Evolved Deep Southerner says:

    @Judas Escargot: HA! No shit! Meta ass-wiping humor. I’ll hang onto that puppy until the next toilet-themed contest cartoon on the back page rolls around.

  41. 41
    Fred says:

    @Mr Stagger Lee: Amateur hour. I would expect nothing less from the likes of Greenwald. I think we got it the first 10 times that video used the struggling seniors vs “Look at Koch’s mansion”.

    Typical Greenwald over simplification.

  42. 42
    gbear says:

    Someone in my neighborhood put their ‘LIBERATE IRAQ’ sign back up in their yard last week (I’m not joking), probably because of the death of OBL. I wonder if any of the neighbors have clued him in that OBL didn’t have diddly-squat to do with Iraq? Then I wonder if he’d even care?

  43. 43
    Barb (formerly Gex) says:

    Hmmm. Seems he was just sitting right there for 3 years during Bush’s term. And Bush stated he wasn’t concerned with finding Bin Laden. So it kinda seems that, no, not just ANY president can make that decision and get it done.

    It so sad that obvious facts are not relevant to half of our electorate. Bush still deserves credit (even though there’s no credit to be earned, it was so easy) while Obama does not.

    Imma go curl up and weep for a bit.

  44. 44
    JGabriel says:

    The rightards can whinge all they like. No matter what they say, this is how it’s going down in the history books (except, maybe, for those printed in Texas):

    1) George Bush takes office as president in January, 2001.
    __
    2) Osama Bin Laden attacks America in September, 2001.
    __
    3) George Bush leaves office in January, 2009, without ever catching Bin Laden.
    __
    4) Barack Obama takes office as president in January, 2009.
    __
    5) Barack Obama captures and kills Bin Laden in May, 2011.

    .

  45. 45
    Hawes says:

    You know, the Kochs don’t dig the coal of the ground with their own hands. They just make a decision to open a coal mine. So, I guess they don’t deserve any of the money that comes from operating a coal mine, and instead all the money should go to the miners!

    I like his logic.

  46. 46
    M. Bouffant says:

    @Evolved Deep Southerner:

    I didn’t need to know that. Angel Soft is the least expensive Tea Partytoilet paper brand that my sensitive parts will put up w/.

  47. 47
    Barb (formerly Gex) says:

    @JGabriel: Real Americans bend over for the Kochs!

    @Chad N Freude: And they probably still credited Bush.

  48. 48
    Mark S. says:

    @General Stuck:

    What kills me is their need to spin every fucking event. I honestly don’t think liberals are this bad in their need to WIN THE DAY!

    But this is good news for John McCain.

  49. 49
    Jack says:

    Hmmmm, let’s see, who does all the “hard work” in any corporation?

    It sure as Hell ain’t the CEO.

    Who gets the credit and huge salary?

    I’ll believe a statement like that from a Koch the day they can show how it does NOT apply to themselves, too.

  50. 50
    PanAmerican says:

    You’ll love the sequel.

    Entergy Corp officials are preparing for high water at three reactor sites along the Mississippi River from near Vicksburg, Mississippi, to New Orleans.

  51. 51
    JGabriel says:

    @licensed to kill time:

    Funny thing, when Obama was elected my SO …

    Obama’s your SO? Does Michelle know?

    (This message brought to you by: Continuing Lessons in the Importance of Commas, Ltd.)

    .

  52. 52
    The Dangerman says:

    @Chad N Freude:

    Saddam didn’t get whacked.

    My bad; we caught him and Iraq whacked him. And I bet Koch STILL gives Bush credit for that event.

  53. 53
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Hawes: I was gonna say. David Koch never made a fucking paper cup. David Koch never chopped down trees to make toilet tissue. So he doesn’t deserve any credit for building his lucrative evil empire of disposable consumer products, right?

  54. 54
    gbear says:

    @JGabriel: 2.5: July 3, 2006

    “The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.”

  55. 55
    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Fred: It seems to me that “over simplification” was a weapon that the Kochs through their mouthpieces at Reason, Cato, Heritage and their allies
    have played masterfully the last couple of years if not the last thirty. Naked Greed and power grabs disguised as “freedom” and getting “government off our backs” sold to the Limbots and the Beckdroids while picking their pockets to fill the already gargantuan bank accounts of the Kochs and other members of the Forbes 400, was done with the tool of oversimplification. If it is a double edged weapon then let us use it against these robber barons.

  56. 56
    licensed to kill time says:

    @JGabriel: Maybe I should bum a few commas off of Omnes ;)

  57. 57
    Amir_Khalid says:

    @JGabriel:
    And who was the Republican candidate for SO?

  58. 58
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    And the Koch brothers’ great accomplishment in this life is being born into the Lucky Sperm Club, isn’t it?

  59. 59
    Evolved Deep Southerner says:

    @M. Bouffant: True that. Exactly why I bought it. So can we agree that Koch Industries are on the cutting edge of affordable ass-wiping technology? Better yet, that their progenitors at Koch Industries were ass-wiping visionaries, and they have benefited from that?

    Either way, surely to God some apolitical someone makes toilet paper that does not unduly irritate one’s netherparts. I will find one who sells TP in my area if they exist.

    If not, well, I’ll cringe using the non-Koch store brand and think of those cocksuckers every time I do it. My loathing for them is pretty well Pavlovian anyway.

  60. 60
    Joeyess says:

    does it strike anyone else as interesting that there always seems to be a rightwing jagoff pumping boatloads of money down the rabbit hole designed to fan the flames of dissent and whip up the conspiracy nuts every time a Democrat holds the presidency? The last time it was Scaife. Now it’s the Koch bros. I find this to be very nefarious. It’s almost as if they get in a room and draw straws to see who has to dip into their family fortunes in opposition.

  61. 61
    efgoldman says:

    @JGabriel:

    (This message brought to you by: Continuing Lessons in the Importance of Commas, Ltd.)

    Antecedents, also too.
    [/pedant]

  62. 62
    Brian R. says:

    Let’s see … Who’s the bigger product of socialism? David Koch or Barack Obama?

    One of their fathers made his fame and fortune working for Joseph Stalin. And it wasn’t Obama.

  63. 63
    Citizen_X says:

    @Fred: What’s wrong with simple, direct messages?

    I think we got it the first 10 times that video used the struggling seniors vs “Look at Koch’s mansion”.

    Probably wouldn’t have been necessary if they didn’t have about ten mansions.

    As for the brothers Koch themselves, at this point they might as well go around in top hats and monocles. They’ve reached that level of evil-capitalist cliche.

  64. 64
    gwangung says:

    “The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.”

    To be fair, this was a CIA reorganization and refocussing.

    [beat]

    To be even fairer, what the hell did that refocussing actually DO???

  65. 65
    efgoldman says:

    @Joeyess:

    does it strike anyone else as interesting that there always seems to be a rightwing jagoff pumping boatloads of money down the rabbit hole….every time a Democrat holds the presidency?

    But there’s no Vast RightWing Conspiracy(tm), is there?

  66. 66
    PIGL says:

    I’ve often thought that if the western nations had functioning counter-intelligence agencies that were loyal to the state, the likes of Koch’s and Robert Murdoch and their less visible allies would have long since been radically disempowered.

    Of course, in nations with functioning political systems, this disempowerment would have taken the form of progressive taxation and estate taxes such that they would never have come into existence in the first place.

  67. 67

    In comment regarding David Koch, the Somebody says: “look at all of the room available on the head of a pin next to my respect for DK.
    looking
    acres, really”

    She is much kinder than I would be.

  68. 68
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @licensed to kill time: They’re all mine, damn it, and you, no matter how often you ask, can’t have them.

  69. 69
    AxelFoley says:

    Who gives a flyin’ fuck what Koch thinks? Fuck him and his brother.

    Kocksuckers.

  70. 70
    licensed to kill time says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Brother, can you spare a semi-colon?

  71. 71
    Citizen_X says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: What are you, the Koch of commas?

  72. 72
    AxelFoley says:

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    All the right friends, too – the Nobel Peace Prize II Committee, balloonbaggers, the healthcare, military and prison industries…

    U mad, bitch?

  73. 73
    Jennifer says:

    @Evolved Deep Southerner: You need to work on toughening up your arsehole. I’m not suggesting those brown handtowels or anything. But good ol’ not-quilted Scott tissue is about the cheapest alternative out there, though at $5 for a 4-roll pack you might not think so (4 rolls last 6 weeks or longer in this one-woman household). I don’t notice my aresehole bleeding on account of it. Added advantage: all those softie-soft tissues seem to come to pieces, roll up and leave delightful little rolls of … “residue” on the back of the toilet seat, which is just…gahhh. The Scott tissue doesn’t.

  74. 74
    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN) says:

    @Citizen_X: He’s a dirty, fucking commanist.

  75. 75
    MikeB says:

    He’ll be sorry he shot off his mouth when Obama nationalizes Koch Industries…

  76. 76
    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    It’s telling that David “Suck My” Koch thinks that the decision to send American troops into harms way is such an easy thing to do, as if they are just tools that the President does what he wants with no regards as to the outcome.

    No wonder he loved Bush, they think the same of our troops.

    IOW, in their opinion they’re expendable.

    The only reason he thinks Obama is a soshulist is because he’s afraid of his taxes going up. Koch is not a capitalist, he’s a royalist.

  77. 77
    Odie Hugh Manatee says:

    Hep me! My post has been locked away for saying a baaaaad word!

    Damn soshulists!

  78. 78

    i wish some people would at least pivot to a discussion of how corporations are performing acts of economic terrorism that are much more damaging than anything OBL ever did. Fucking McDonalds just got about 1 million applications for 60,000 jobs, FFS.

    koch’s not going to do that, obviously.

    but chomsky, moore, or greenwald could.

  79. 79
    Danny says:

    Interwebs rulez. Where else could you learn stuff like:

    the paint in the room- where usama is watching tv- is very popular among middle class people of abbottabad and mansehra.in this paint lower half of the wall is painted with mat finish while upper half is painted with distamper. it is done so because lower part easily gets dirty and mat finished wall can be regularly washed but dastamper cant be.

    Posted by myeda from mansehra. Somebody page CIA and tell them we got confirmation the video is from Abottabad!

  80. 80
    fhtagn says:

    David Koch – proudly stealing America’s oil and giving us over-priced, second-rate toilet tissue in return. Isn’t it time the critter was returned to its natural environment? I hear Uzbekistan is quite adorable at this time of year.

  81. 81
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @licensed to kill time: Sure. ;
    @Citizen_X: One has acquired a reputation. Deserved or undeserved, that is a question all you must ask yourselves.

  82. 82
    Mandramas says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: No, he is not divorced of reality. He is only controlling and changing it. I don’t think he believes the thinks he said, he just know that are the right things to say to favor their allies.

  83. 83
    fhtagn says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Keep the government out of our punctuation!

  84. 84
    Roger Moore says:

    @CA Doc:

    As far as they are concerned, the buck stopped with Obama and he met the challenge.

    Yeah, it’s be really cool if he broke out Truman’s old “The Buck Stops Here” sign for his desk. It would make a great point and give the wingnuts conniptions.

  85. 85
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @fhtagn: I don’t know about that. If we nationalize the means of production and provide commas to people in accordance with their need, I might finally have enough. I am not greedy; I just need what I need.

    Edited slightly for coherence

    On topic: Does anyone really expect that Koch would be gracious in this situation? He, I am sure, views everything through the prism of how it affects, first, his personal wealth, and, second, his companies. I am pretty convinced that his concerns do not go far beyond those two issues.

  86. 86
    fhtagn says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’d expect him to mind his own business, have the decency to praise the president who actually got Bin Laden, and to keep his mouth shut if he can’t manage that fairly minimal standard of good conduct as a citizen.

  87. 87
    Steeplejack says:

    @demz taters:

    So, at the end it was the Rumsfeld strategy that finally accomplished the mission, not the 100,000 boots on the ground.

    WTF?! The dissonance, it is cognitive.

  88. 88
    hilts says:

    Never let it be said that President Obama doesn’t have all the Left enemies

    Noam Chomsky on bin Laden’s death
    http://www.guernicamag.com/blo.....tion_to_os

    Alexander Cockburn on bin Laden’s death
    http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05062011.html

  89. 89
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @fhtagn: Well, yeah. I assume you aren’t an asshole right wing billionaire. He is.

  90. 90
    ROSSINDETROIT says:

    Seriously, who gives a damn what that arrogant blowhard thinks? All polishing his best spats and flicking Cuban cigar ashes on the Persian rug like a mogul. The foundations that he backs are actually dangerous but he’s deluded if he thinks that his own statements have any impact.

  91. 91
    Roger Moore says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    And the Koch brothers’ great accomplishment in this life is being born into the Lucky Sperm Club, isn’t it?

    Actually, we can only know for sure that they’re in the lucky ovum club; we have only their mother’s word on where the sperm came from. Can we just call it the “lucky parents” club instead?

  92. 92
    gex says:

    @fhtagn: Sociopaths do not care about such things.

  93. 93
    fhtagn says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Let me have my staff check on that. I’ll get back to you.

  94. 94
    Brian R. says:

    I, for one, rest easy with the knowledge that there’s a trust fund heir somewhere in the Koch family who’s going to be their Paris Hilton and make the family name synonymous with mindless cocksucking.

    More so, I mean.

  95. 95
    fhtagn says:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....t-20110505

    I’ll admit, I know very little about Pawlenty – other than the fact that I’ve seen him give speeches in person at least three times and still couldn’t tell you what he stands for, what his speaking style is like, even what he looked like. If police asked me to help make a composite sketch of Tim Pawlenty, God knows what it would end up looking like; in my mind’s eye he’s a cross between Ed Begley and the late character actor Vince Schiavelli. Obviously that might be just me, but Pawlenty does already have a reputation for being perhaps the most boring politician in America.

    I posted this in the other open thread, but we seem to have ditched that one, so…..

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jack:

    Some soshulist agitator named Smith, 235 years ago, wrote that all value is tied to labor.

    Not to management.

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    trollhattan says:

    Would it be irresponsible to speculate the Kochs are working to secure a nuclear weapon of their own, or irresponsible not to?

    They’re marvelous at pretending to be patriots but what I believe them to truly be is hardcore terrorists, trying to overthrow our elected government then rob everybody in the bottom 99th percentile of their worth. They’re scary to me.

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    fhtagn says:

    @trollhattan:

    I think their target is all the bottom 99 percentiles, but other than that….

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Brian R.:

    The interesting thing is, Koch’s dad tried to market his cracking technology in the US, but was shut out of the market by capitalist oligarchs. So he wound up selling it to Stalin.

    Just goes to show that you can teach a man a lesson, and it won’t sink in.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mandramas:

    You would be surprised (and frightened) to find out just how strongly these billionaires believe what they’re spouting. Delusions of one’s own superiority + billions of inherited dollars does not make for a happy outcome.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Does anyone really expect that Koch would be gracious in this situation?

    My mother always told me that if I couldn’t say something nice, I shouldn’t say anything. Apparently manners are one thing that Koch did not inherit from his parents.

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Just goes to show that you can teach a man a lesson, and it won’t sink in.

    No, it just shows that he learned a different lesson. The lesson he learned is how awesome it is to be a capitalist oligarch who can arbitrarily shut his competitors out of the market.

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    Hal says:

    Gail Collins has a great quiz in Wingnuttery today.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05.....=1&hp

    My favorite, which I completely missed and can’t believe won’t be excoriated to infinite:

    F) Recently debated a Barack Obama impersonator on Fox.

    A: Ron Paul.

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    Lurleen says:

    When the next Republican President tries to pin something that happened on his watch (and it will be a male) on the previous Dem President, I’ll be here.

    There is no other better example of heads I win tales you lose than this. Seriously, tagging Clinton and then taking credit. Nothing rings more teabagger/wingnutty true than that.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Roger Moore: I am just keying off how the Koch brothers have behaved and setting my expectations accordingly.

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    @Roger Moore:

    No, it just shows that he learned a different lesson. The lesson he learned is how awesome it is to be a capitalist oligarch who can arbitrarily shut his competitors out of the market. asshole

    FTFY

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    rootless_e says:

    @Fred: What has been demonstrated time and again since the 1980s is that those old “ruling class robbers” lines DO NOT WORK except on the faithful few.

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    Mark S. says:

    CBS News for some reason interviewed village idiot Andrew Breitbart. There was plenty of stupid, but for some reason I liked this part the best:

    Breitbart also said President Obama should have released post-mortem photographs of Osama bin Laden, saying it is necessary for “closure.” “Without closure, it’s going to be a pregnancy that causes much pain for too many people in this world,” he said.

    Even as a metaphor, does that make any fucking sense? Andrew, go learn from the master.

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    rootless_e says:

    @hilts:

    I love those leftists who want to complain that President Obama failed to respect the laws of the evil world capitalist system.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Mark S.:

    “Without closure, it’s going to be a pregnancy that causes much pain for too many people in this world,”

    And of course that idiotic comment just laid there like a dead fish on the dock. Is it too much to hope that MAYBE there was some kind of follow-up?

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    Mike in NC says:

    As a looter and a moocher, I’m humbled by Mr. Kochsucker’s comments.

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    @Yutsano: checking with my Indian cab driver right now …

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    I’d like to thank the Republicans for confirming what I’ve thought of them for the last 20 years. Gonna need a bigger popcorn bucket.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Benjamin Cisco (mobile): Considering the large amount of pantswetting that has happened in the last week or so, I’d recommend investing in adult diapers. And wetnaps. Things could get messy.

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    Xecky Gilchrist says:

    Never let it be said that President Obama doesn’t have all the right (Right) enemies…

    Somehow the phrase “malefactors of great wealth” springs to mind.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    I wish some people would at least pivot to a discussion of how corporations are performing acts of economic terrorism that are much more damaging than anything OBL ever did. Fucking McDonalds just got about 1 million applications for 60,000 jobs, FFS.
    __
    koch’s not going to do that, obviously.
    __
    but chomsky, moore, or greenwald could.

    One of these things is not like the others…

    When was the last time Glenn Greenwald opined on an issue of economic justice?

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    Elie says:

    @Jennifer:

    Y’all are just “tearing me up” with this …. surely we all know that its not WHAT you wipe WITH but HOW you wipe it, and then what you do AFTER….handling te “burn” if too aggressive or using the wrong “product”.

    The old Scott Tissue was not fluffy, but it got the job done without friction — and using true value pricing

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    Dream On says:

    @Jennifer: Um, that would make a great commercial voice-over.

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    Cacti says:

    Their angry, impotent tears taste so yummy and sweet.

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    bago says:

    Mark S.:

    “Without closure, it’s going to be a pregnancy that causes much pain for too many people in this world,”
    An abortion of a metaphor?

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    BDeevDad says:

    Can someone ask one of these asses to actually define socialist, just so I can laugh at their cluelessness.

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    Lancelot Link says:

    @FlipYrWhig:
    When was the last time Glenn Greenwald opined on an issue of economic justice?
    Probably back when he worked for the Cato Institute.

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    honus says:

    @Chad N Freude: except that we put them in place and occupied the country art the time. Nothing happened that we did not allow.

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    Evolved Deep Southerner says:

    @Elie: OK, Scott Tissue. What kind of conglomerate makes it and to which party do they donate most heavily? Even if I don’t walk away with a completely clean ass, I do want a clean conscience.

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    Pangloss says:

    The 21st Century version of Nixon’s enemies list— you know you’ve got it going on if Koch hates you for your success.

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    Snarla says:

    Hmm, the way I’m reading it is, abortion is okay if you display a picture of the uterine contents afterward. Alrighty, then.

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    Kerry Reid says:

    @Evolved Deep Southerner: Somebody once pointed out that you could win nearly every New Yorker caption contest by going with “Christ. What an asshole.”

    Which also is the all-purpose response to anything the Kochs or the rest of the wingnuts have to say about — anything.

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    Another Bob says:

    The trait that’s always most prominent with wingnuts like Koch is their pettiness. Still, it’s what you expect from them, and in a way, I love the smell of their sour-grapes whining. It smells like . . . victory.

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    Ken says:

    1. As a cancer patient, I appreciate Sloan-Kettering’s work.
    2. David Koch can go fuck himself.

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