I can’t believe we are still dealing with this Trig bullshit. Sarah Palin is his mother. Christ.
Between this nonsense and the Obama birth certificate stuff, it almost makes you nostalgic for the 9/11 truthers.
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DonkeyKong
Trig’s birth was a halogram faked to get welfare benefits for his parents.
Woodrowfan
I heard that the doctor said “pull it” in the delivery room which proves Trig’s birth was an inside job!!!! And that they found traces of Kenyan nano-thermite in the delivery room!
Don
I honestly don’t understand why anyone responds to these loons beyond saying “you’re a nut” and moving on. These people could have seen Trig emerging from Palin’s vagina and would simply insist that Rove had planted him there earlier.
Just Some Fuckhead
If we don’t even know who Trig’s mother is, how can we be sure he was born in America?
cleek
or the Bush discharge papers fetishists.
or the Whitewater/draft-dodger crowd.
or the commie-hunters.
LowProfileinGA
Almost.
MoeLarryAndJesus
Yeah, Palin is the mother. But Jonah Goldberg is the father, and that’s what they’re trying to hide.
LowProfileinGA
@MoeLarryAndJesus: George Soros, in fact.
Sasha
Yeah, it’s nonsense. That said, if Palin insists on tacitly accepting the validity of the Birthers, she ought to release the records in question “to clear things up” and show Obama how it’s done.
(And she really ought to explain to a non-Fox reporter the reasoning that led her to risk her pregnancy by flying to Alaska from the Continental US when her water broke and not be content to go to an Anchorage hospital to deliver her child when she arrived.)
different church-lady
I feel dirty just from having clicked on that.
I had no idea people were still thumping that invisible drum.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@cleek:
or the folks who thought the 18th Cen. Vatican had a secret plan to sieze the Delaware Water Gap.
MikeJ
The difference is half of all republicans believe the Obama birth certificate stuff. The front runner for the Republican nomination is running with it as the only thing he’s ever said that appeals to Republicans.
I’ve never actually met a Trig birther. Sully is the only public person I can think of, and I’d guess 98% of all Americans have never heard of him.
Mnemosyne
Well, you have to admit, John, there’s something a little strange about a woman in her 40s having a child with Down Syndrome.
Oh, wait — there isn’t. It’s actually far more likely than if a 17-year-old was the mom.
I realize that Sully doesn’t know anything about human reproduction and isn’t interested in learning, but pretending that there’s something strange about a woman in her mid-40s giving birth to a child with Down Syndrome is idiotic.
srv
John, are you saying your new front page poster is a liar?
cleek
@MikeJ:
ah, but both sides do it !
Glenn
Agreed, but can we please avoid the implicit equating of the two phenomena? You don’t have “leaders” of the Democratic Party endorsing the Trig bullshit. You don’t have 47% of the Democrats believing it and another 22% saying they don’t know. They’re equivalent in their approach to the truth, but one is a far more pernicious and lunatic movement.
Glenn
Or, what MikeJ said. (I take too long to type)
russell
Hey, wait a minute dude, that one is true!
MattR
If I understand correctly, the focus of the recent paper that revived all this controversy was not on the validity of the Trig rumor but on the comparison of the way the media treated the Trig rumor compared to the Obama one as well as how they treated the people who were pushing it.
nitpicker
Mr. Elliott blames Beardy McRyancoddler and “a significant portion of the Palin-hating left” for taking part in this conspiracy. That’s got to include some of us, so ‘fess up. Which of you members of the Significant Portion of the Palin-Hating Left Society have been spreading this bullshit?
uptown
I can’t believe we are still dealing with Sarah Palin.
DFS
@nitpicker: I was gonna ask the same thing. Last I checked Sully was pretty lonely on this one.
Villago Delenda Est
The thing is, Sarah’s stories about all this just don’t make sense in so many ways.
It’s like she wants to keep it going, because it draws attention to her.
Which actually makes sense.
Chris
@MikeJ:
Seriously. I’d never even HEARD of this controversy until about five minutes ago.
gnomedad
Is there an other side to the story of her behavior leading up to Trig’s birth or was that as reckless as it seemed?
maus
Salon has turned to absolute shit over the last few years. It’s all recipes, warmed-over and bland progressives, trolls like Paglia, and token wingnuts.
I mostly flip through the Greenwald and occasional Cory Tennis articles, but BY ALL THAT IS HOLY I avoid their comments section.
They never ever ever seem to ban unconstructive conservatrolls.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@russell:
Advisor: Mr President, we cannot allow a Gap gap to develop!
POTUS: A what-suma-gap?
Advisor: A Gap gap!
POTUS: A what-what?
Advisor: A Gap gap. We cannot allow our enemies to control more gaps than we do. Or they might get the jump on us.
POTUS: A Jump-jump?
Advisor: No, just a regular jump. Through a Gap.
POTUS: This sounds serious.
Advisor: It is seriously serious.
Splitting Image
I think the main difference between the Birther conspiracy and the Trig mythos is that the latter was largely self-induced.
For me personally, the likeliest explanation of the whole situation is that Palin’s water didn’t break until she got back to Alaska where she did the sensible thing and went to her doctor.
Her doctor most likely yelled at her when he or she found out that she’d gone to Texas in her condition and risked having her water break in-flight, and Sarah being Sarah, she started telling people her water broke much earlier than it did so she would sound like a he-man (she-woman?) for coming through as heroically as she did.
Sarah being Sarah, she didn’t think long enough about her story to make her realize it made her look worse than the actual facts would have, and being Sarah, she doubled down on her story when people attacked her for it.
Other explanations are possible, I suppose, but that’s as much effort as I care to put into thinking about it. Palin is the only person who can say when her water broke and she’s not exactly a reliable witness. My understanding is that on her fifth baby, she should have had a quicker birth than she’s claiming she had, but I’m not her doctor, so who knows?
This makes it a different animal to the birther business. Unless someone can find me some evidence that Obama’s mother claimed to have had a liaison with Malcolm X or that her contractions began in Kenya and she hopped a flight to the U.S. so that her baby would be born on American soil, it’s hard to argue that Andrew McCarthy, Orly Taitz etc. weren’t just creating fantasies out of thin air.
As is usual, though, Broderism demands that we all treat inferences based on what Republicans say about themselves as blood libel, but that it would be irresponsible not to speculate about Democrats.
cleek
@Chris:
it’s not even a controversy. it’s just Sullivan’s absurd fixation. people have been telling him to knock it off for years.
Groucho48
I always figured Palin had a panic attack when she felt the contractions starting, and was compelled to head back to the safe and secure confines of Wasilla. I suspect she gets panic attacks fairly regularly.
JCT
Great thread title.
@gnomedad: Given that this is Sarah Palin we’re talking about, I would substitute “stupid” for “reckless” and then everything is crystal-clear.
She likely did something idiotic (shocker) and got away with it.
The End.
Sully and Bobo should go off somewhere and amuse each other with their imagined brilliance.
Trentrunner
It figures that when that cunty git Sullivan finally deigned to explore a vagina, it would be Sarah Palin’s.
susan
I haven’t followed much of this, but a quick way to kill the issue would be to produce Trig’s birth certificate.
I know this sounds all too familiar, but Obama HAS produced his and everyone but the crazy wing nuts and those who pander to them know it. Even Karl Rove is fed up with Birthers.
If Sarah has made the certificate available to the public, is Sully willfully ignoring this piece of evidence or does he not know about it?
Chet
Well, the controversy has always been that Sarah Palin’s story is unbelievable, but wondering if someone is actually someone’s mother causes some people such mental anguish that they would prefer the question never, ever be asked, and they’re prepared to accept self-motivated statements at face-value and overstate evidence – like above, where a glance at Sarah Palin’s navel under layers of clothing becomes “a clear look at her pregnant belly.”
The “definitive refutation” is anything but; it’s just Steve Quinn, years after the fact, asserting that he uh-huh totally looked into all this d00ds and, you know, never said anything about it to anybody at the time.
Roger Moore
@Splitting Image:
According to the article, Palin’s doctor says she induced labor. That seems a bit odd to me- Trig was borderline premature, which would make inducing a strange decision- but the doctor fibbing a bit to cover for her patient still seems a lot more likely than a massive conspiracy.
Dusty
@Splitting Image: Pretty much. All you have to assume from this scenario is that Palin is sort of a fabulist. Given that Sully is constantly harping on Palin’s many lies, I don’t know why he can’t just buy into this and let it go.
In addition to the “she-woman” angle, I also kind of figure that works on some Alaskan exceptionalist theme. She didn’t want her baby born in Texas, so she flew home to Alaska.
Nanette
I don’t see why it matters even if she wasn’t his mother, personally.
Also, are some birthers really asking to see Obama’s kindergarten records? I mean, I’ve seen some ask (along with a list of other things they want to see – medical records, long form birth certificate, so on) – on various birther threads. Are these folks serious, and if so, does anyone know why? Are there special secrets our kindergarten records hold?
max hats
What I don’t get is the “who cares” aspect. What does it matter at all, on any level? If the conspiracy was true, if anything I’d have slightly more sympathy for Palin (she did that for her family? wow!) as a person, and it would have zero effect on my judgment of her as a politician.
At leas the birthers have an actual issue. God help me for saying that. But at least there’s a Constitutional issue underlying the birther charge. The Trig thing – who cares? How could that possibly matter to anything?
60th Street
From the Salon article:
Horseshit! This was fun to kick around for about a day when McCain announced Palin as his pick…that’s about it.
The not-so subtle implication that this is the left’s version of birtherism is fucking retarded.
Truthers, I’ll give them more, but not equally, as far as the general liberal population is concerned…
But, even regarding trutherism, name me the equivalent number of Democratic politicians currently serving in Congress that play truther and compare that number with the how many batshit GOP pols play birther in public.
Imagine a liberal presidential primary challenger or ANY Democratic presidential candidate coming out as a truther the way the GOP dickheads flog the birther claims.
Dusty
@max hats: Yeah, I don’t get it either. If it’s true, then Palin’s a liar. Which isn’t exactly new news. At least in this case, it would probably turn out to be a Mama Grizzly protecting her wayward offspring type of lie and that doesn’t seem to be something that would derail Palin’s career.
DonkeyKong
I thought us liberals could get in on some wingnut crazy like the birthers with a 2012 anti-palin slogan “Trigger the Vote” until I realized Chuck Norris got there first.
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brad
Sorry, hate to be linked with with birthers et al, but my lying eyes watched a 27 story building collapse in its own footprint at free fall speed after not being hit by an airplane. But I’m just a kook and I’m sure there’s a good explanation.
Triassic Sands
You know if we could just get a look at a real Obama birth certificate, that would probably clear up the mystery of Trig’s birth and answer the question of the Shroud of Turin once and for all.
Only Sully has the skill set to accomplish this vital task.
(Now, I’m going to re-enter my voluntary, protective coma.)
Chet
She’s said she has, but actually hasn’t.
Weird, I know.
Winston Smith
My most-commented Kos post ever was about this. The responses were so angry and irrational I gave up reading them.
I can’t believe it’s back.
One thing which is factual is that Sarah brags about deciding to keep the baby even though testing showed him to have Down Syndrome. Here’s the rub: this kind of testing has a risk of inducing a spontaneous miscarriage. No woman would do this test unless the outcome might change her mind about completing the pregnancy.
Pro-life my ass.
Chet
Why can’t it be like wondering about the Tunguska impact? I don’t see why it has to “matter” to be interested in it.
North_O_49
Sully’s not claiming that Sarah isn’t Trig’s mother; his problem is with the cloud of confusion/misdirection/denial over the whole thing. I don’t believe he’s ever come out and said he believes Trig isn’t Sarah’s, just that however things transpired, serious questions about her judgement have to be addressed, especially since she’s used the child as a prop numerous times polishing her ‘pro-life, pro-child’ bona fides. Either she’s recklessly irresponsible and/or beyond pathologically dishonest. Considering she could’ve been one proverbial heartbeat away from the hottest seat on the planet, and that many would like her to run again, that’s should scare the hell outta people. Sullivan should probably drop it, she’s too far in either way to ever fess up, but I don’t think he’s wrong to ask the question or lament long and loud that no one else did.
Unfortuanately, like every other instance where there are legitimate questions that need answers (i.e. WTC7’s collapse, Bush’s TANG records), someone’s always gotta come up with a harebrained load of crap that distracts the public and allows serious questioners to be discredited by association. Enjoy the circus, folks!
Sasha
Huh. I forgot that Palin had apparently demanded that her opponent for mayor of Wasila produce a marriage license to prove his wife was his wife. (He did.)
Trigism is still nonsense. That said, fuck Palin: Let her comply to the standard she insists on others, and if she doesn’t, hound her as the hypocrite she so clearly is.
Dusty
@North_O_49:
But Sully already thinks she’s pathologically dishonest. He’s got a whole list of things that are more applicable to how Palin would perform her duties as a professional politician than whether Trig is her natural-born child or not. It’s just not necessary to go rooting around in Palin’s personal life to undermine her credibility.
60th Street
Besides, Palin has demonstrated clearly that she’s quite capable of the selfish assholery required to think nothing of boarding a plane for a 20-hour thrill-ride whilst in preterm labor of a Down’s fetus. It’s pretty much how she rolls.
susan
“If Sarah has made the certificate available to the public, is Sully willfully ignoring this piece of evidence or does he not know about it?”
Chet responds:
“She’s said she has, but actually hasn’t.”
Hummm, something sounds fishy to me.
Maybe John could get in touch with Todd and over a cup of tea they could get this mystery solved. In addition Todd, no doubt, has a few choice words for Sully that John could share with his fans.
jon
I have an unflattering theory that takes her at her word but also questions it. If she was really that reckless, maybe she wanted the pregnancy to end in an unhappy way. She wasn’t able to abort since she had her public views, wanted to hide the pregnancy for a long time, and she’s admitted that she mulled over the idea of an abortion. So it’s not that far-fetched to conclude that she’s someone who wanted to give nature a bit more than a chance to take its course. I’ve known a few parents of disabled children, and in some moments they admit to some dark thoughts about their much-loved children. They wouldn’t do anything, of course. But that doesn’t mean they don’t occasionally think of such things. Of course, those same kinds of parents, after a disabled child dies, are just as devastated as any other parents of dead children. But many still had those thoughts.
A disabled child is a terrible thing to have to consider. Even if much loved by parents and family and friends, there’s a lot of mourning for the living that goes on. And there’s a pretty cruel world out beyond that circle of love. I won’t say anything negative about how she’s raising Trig, since I can’t. But I can say that she went through a very understandable process to figure out what it would mean to have a child who wasn’t going to be “normal”.
Palin may be a media creature and a hypocrite in many ways, but I think Trig has a loving mother. That’s more than many children ever get, and Trig will get a better life than many disabled children, but I only see a stressed mom when I look at how she acted in those days before Trig’s birth.
Jay in Oregon
@60th Street:
I’m waiting for “Where’s the Birth Certificate II? The Case that Sarah Palin is not Eligible to be Trig’s Mother” to rocket to the top of the Amazon best-sellers list.
Because, y’know, Trig truthers are the Birthers of the left and all that…
susan
Frankly, I am beginning to think we should do away with birth certificates. They seem to be causing a lot of trouble.
We are all citizens of planet Earth. Let’s just take good care of our common home and stop wasting time trying to sort out who belongs where.
North_O_49
@Dusty: I agree, mostly, but as she has shamelessly used Trig as a showpiece for the pro-lifers, he sees it as legitimate questioning. It’s as though he takes personally the willful lack of curiousity on the part of the media on a story whose details just didn’t meet the smell (or sanity) test.
Does it matter now? No. Would it if she ran? Maybe, but you’re right to note there’s too much else to bury her for the 73% non-crazy population. Is he hanging on to it just a little to hard? Definitely.
Fred
So not only do you worship Grenwald and his Libertarian anti-child labour laws buddy in new mexico, you are now defending Palin while criticising Obama. Rrrrigth. Stay classy.
Fred
@LowProfileinGA: It all leads back to Soros. Always!
JM
Hi ya’ll,
I’m not a conspiracy theorist as a rule and I don’t mean to set everybody off, but I have to say that I don’t believe Sarah is Trig’s mother. There are plenty of compelling reasons to doubt her pregnancy.
I also believe that the issue should remain at the forefront because it’s important that Sarah Palin shouldn’t be able to lie with impunity. The Trig issue should be in her face all the time; it shouldn’t be allowed to go away.
To pile it on, I also believe that Bush’s inaction after the August 6 memo allowed 9/11 to happen. I believe he wanted a terrorist attack on the US to give him an excuse to invade Iraq.
So there.
Nerull
@Chet: And the idea that Bristol was pregnant with two babies of different ages at once seems the more likely explanation?
Dusty
@North_O_49: But one can criticize how Palin has exploited her children without questioning the legitimacy of Trig’s birth. And there are other lies and tall tales from Palin that can be used to undermine her credibility that are less hurtful on a personal level than lending credibility to people who would suggest that her child isn’t her own.
As far as the pro-life thing, she’s got enough credit banked with them separate from the Trig issue that, if she had to admit he was her daughter’s or from an adoption, I don’t see how that revelation would undermine that relationship.
gocart mozart
@Nanette:
Obviously, the records will show that little Barry Hussein Soerto X swore a blood oath to Allah no take backsees and double pinky swear.
JM
@Nerull: The word in Alaska, apparently, is that Trig is Todd’s child by another woman.
Mnemosyne
@jon:
Frankly, that’s always been my suspicion. It makes a heckuva lot more sense than some shadowy conspiracy theory where Bristol gives birth to two children within a year of each other, one of them with a disability that’s vanishingly rare in young mothers but not uncommon in older mothers.
Dusty
@jon: But, again, why take her at her word? She has a long history of lies and exaggerations. Isn’t it simpler to assume the ridiculous story she told is just one of these exaggerations? And wouldn’t trying to miscarry in this fashion also put her own health at risk?
Church Lady
I assume that Palin’s doctor induced labor because it had not started, even though her water had broken. That is not particularly unusual. My water broke with the first child and I never had a labor pain, but that’s because there was no reason to induce since it had already been determined that I needed to have a C-section.
Sullivan will never give this up, even if he actually was given a copy of the birth certificate to inspect. After all, he’s only “asking questions”. Inquiring minds, like Sullivan’s, are never satisfied. Just ask the Birthers.
Worse than this, though, is the disgusting piece of drivel that appeared in Wonkette the other day. What was written, “celebrating” Trig Palin’s third birthday, made me want to throw up. Some people have no decency.
Shoemaker-Levy 9
What do we call the conspiracy theory concerning the truth about Trig’s birth? We can’t call it Trutherism because that’s already taken. We can’t call it Birtherism because that’s already taken. How about Triggerism?
Original Lee
@MattR: Having read the paper, I agree. We hear endless “serious” reportage about the latest pronouncements from people who think (or pretend to think) that Obama was born in Kenya, yet nary a peep, debunking or otherwise, about Palin’s behavior in early 2008. I had never heard of the Spiral of Silence theory before, but it does explain quite a lot about our media of late.
WRT the Salon article, you can’t look at it in isolation. If you look at it as one of a series of responses to the academic paper, it makes a lot more sense, whether or not you’re a conspiracy believer.
Dusty
@Church Lady: In all fairness to Wonkette, they seem to have realized they crossed a line and pulled that piece with an apology. So they have some decency.
jon
@Dusty: I’m not entirely taking her at her word, at least not how she would like. I’m taking her word, embellished as I think it is (she’d say heroism and strength in action, I’d suggest a different motivation,) and seeing her recklessness in a different light. I find her actions to be unflattering when compared to how she portrayed them, but pretty understandable when I consider what she must have been going through.
Viva BrisVegas
@Dusty:
Then which Palin lies do you choose to chase and which to leave?
The rumour of Trig not being Palin’s baby came about because it was conflated with the rumour about Bristol’s baby. That rumour turned out to be true.
Trig is Palin’s baby, but given the behaviour of Palin on the matter, something is very very fishy. I don’t know what that is, but the speamishness of the MSM to investigate means we will never know if this a big Palin lie, or just a little Palin lie.
So the big question really is, why is the MSM so squeamish? Given that they have shown not a skerrick of squeamishness while chasing down the most absurd claims about Obama.
JoyceH
@Splitting Image:
Totally agree. This story has legs because the story as SHE told it did NOT make sense. She’s a woman in her 40s, knows she has a high risk pregnancy, and she’s in Texas when her water breaks in the middle of the night. She calls her doctor, who says, what – no problem?! She then waits around to give a speech – in the afternoon of the day after her water broke! In her book, she claims she was having contractions while she was giving the speech!
So – as soon as the speech is over, does she finally, finally, get her stupid ass to the hospital? No, she gets on a PLANE for a 12+ hour trip, a change of planes and an hour drive to get to a tiny regional hospital with no neonatal facilities?
The story is ridiculous, it’s absurd. She either was trying to kill that baby, or she made up a stupid story that she thinks makes her sound like a Hardy Pioneer Woman but instead makes her sound like a criminally reckless bimbo.
Hillary was savaged for the ‘landing under fire’ story – and Palin gets away with this pile of hogwash?!
Jay in Oregon
Fixed that for you.
Jay C
@Nerull:
Whassamatta? You don’t believe in miracles?
Atheist!
Dusty
@Viva BrisVegas: I’d rather see the media hammer Palin on lies about death panels and Troopergate than about the ridiculousness of her story about flying home from Texas after her water broke. I don’t get the point of running this one down, of getting Palin in a chair and interrogating her on this until she comes clean, given that there seems to be credible evidence on the most important point, Trig being Palin’s child.
Dusty
@JoyceH: What’s Palin getting away with? Her base isn’t going to change their mind about her if her tall tale gets debunked and her numbers with everybody else are tanking.
wobbly
Actually, Winston Smith, amniocentesis is routinely recommended for pregnant women from age 35 onwards, even for those who would never consider aborting the fetus. The risk of spontaneous abortion is miniscule compared to the benefit of knowing in advance of the birth that the fetus has Down Syndrome.
The parents can prepare themselves emotionally and financially for the difficulties in raising such a child, and the doctor is alerted to the many complications that may ensue in the pregnancy.
Original Lee
@wobbly: Ah, but wobbly, you can’t do an amnio test as early as Sarah Palin claims in her book (which I have to confess I read when I was waiting in the emergency room with nothing else to hand). She’s doubled down so much on her original story that it’s one big bag of WTF, which I think is why the media has been avoiding it. Once they start pulling one string, there will be a huge mess that starts gushing out. Sort of like Enron.
Citizen_X
@brad:
Sigh. WTC-7 caught fire from, and was severely, structurally damaged by, falling debris from the twin towers. That’s what destroyed the building.
And there is nothing bizarre about catastrophic collapse at free fall speeds. The dynamic loads the structure was subjected to during collapse were an order of magnitude greater than the static loads they were designed for. And turbulent flows of debris–in large debris falls from mountains, or from collapsing pyroclastic columns during volcanic eruptions–can reach speeds of hundreds of miles an hour. Once the top floors (on all three buildings) started collapsing, there was effectively nothing standing in their way.
But go right ahead. Ignore the structural engineers referenced in those articles. Just don’t be surprised if people call you a kook.
Facebones
Sully got his fee-fees hurt by that Salon article.
“How dare they compare me to the birthers?”
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/04/im-now-joseph-farah.html
dfarr
Sullivan has a response…http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/04/im-now-joseph-farah.html. My favorite part is this quote:
“In my view, a journalist doesn’t have to engage in any consipracy theories in order to ask a public figure to verify a story that they tell as a core plank of their political candidacy – especially when verifying it should be easy. ”
Seems like a real journalist would have done what Elliott did, find out the facts.
susan
Amniotic fluid is alkaline in nature. By placing the fluid on nitrazine paper the ph can be evaluated and differentiated from urine (which is usually acidic).
Given Sarah’s account of what happened before she gave birth, she must of left traces (or big pools) of fluid on her airline seat (probably a cushy, first class seat, at that).
It is just a crying shame that no one thought to blot it with nitrazine paper. This would have settled once and for all if she had a little “oopsie” (as we all know, airplane WCs often have very long lines), or if she was in active labor.
So nothing like this ever happens again, Sully should demand that the FAA include nitrazine paper in all emergency medical kits.
Woodrowfan
sadly, the original article linked has the usual tinfoilhead comments from true believers… facts never get in the way of a good conspiracy theory..
Winston Smith
@wobbly:
I’m not sure where you got this information, but it’s not true. Maybe it’s true about something else, but not Down’s Syndrome. A few months lead time provides no practical advantage to dealing with a Down’s child. If a woman is going to take a pregnancy to term regardless of the outcome of the test, the test should not be done.
James
September Clues, John, watch it all, and then post how little you believe it.
SoINeedAName
Here’s a thought: Why don’t YOU give it a rest?
g
Sarah being Sarah, she started telling people her water broke much earlier than it did so she would sound like a he-man (she-woman?) for coming through as heroically as she did.
Comment 28 – this is a pretty reasonable explanation. Good call.
My theory was that she was deliberately trying to loose the baby. In a kind of half-assed way, and when it didn’t work out that way, the guilty feelings at having hoped that made her concoct a bizarre story and act defensive about it.
Sharilynn
@Winston Smith: “The test should not be done”!?
Quit trying to tell pregnant women what to do with their bodies. I’m guessing you have never been an over 35 pregnant woman with a decision to make about pre-natal testing. I have been. Had the test. Wanted to know in advance if the baby would have Down’s. Wanted to know so my family could plan.
MBA EyeDoc
@Winston Smith:
I can speak from experience about this situation. I had my daughter with Down syndrome when I was 38. I had just had a miscarriage a few months before so when it was time for the testing, my husband and I had to decide what we were willing to do and what we would do with the information.
We did the blood tests and the US tests and had multiple ultrasounds which did not put me at any higher risk than any other 38 year old. When the question of amnio came up, we turned it down because of the miscarriage risk and that we did not think we would terminate at 20 weeks no matter what we learned.
It turns out the tests were all wrong but we have a beautiful and challenging daughter with DS who is smart and fun. Life is what it is…
Chet
I don’t recall stating that it was.
Are you implying that Bristol and Sarah Palin are the only two women on Earth who could be Trig’s mother? What is the basis for that position?
TTT
As others have noted, Palin’s story really does make perfect sense if she wanted an abortion after all and meant for the plane to be the mechanism.
Mnemosyne
@Winston Smith:
You do know about the congenital heart problems and other physical issues associated with Down Syndrome, right? That’s the kind of thing that most doctors would want to know about ahead of time, don’t you think?
Mnemosyne
@Chet:
Logic and rationality rather than insane conspiracy theories about Palin secretly adopting a Down Syndrome baby?
Morbo
Just going to leave this here.
brad
@Citizen_X: oh sorry. its in wiki! must be true
Hedges Ahead
Actually, I think we’ve moved on to speculation that Palin was trying for a ‘natural’ abortion, taking unnecessary risks while still letting God enact his will vis-a-vis taking a baby in labor on a several hour flight and then a drive. This article from Progressive Alaska includes the exchange between Sully and one of his readers, with the 3 possibilities of what’s going on, and why Palin appears pretty reprehensible given any of them-
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/06/courage-of-shannyn-moore-part-six-wild.html
The Tim Channel
@susan: For the win.
The Tim Channel
Logically, Sarah would just produce the birth certificate and this would all go away. Why doesn’t she?
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Chet
That doesn’t answer my question. In a world of 3.5 billion women, presumably at least some of them of childbearing age and residents of Alaska, definitive proof that Bristol is not the mother – and, agreed, the proof that she is not is definitive – doesn’t go anywhere towards proving that Sarah definitely is, logically and rationally.
There’s nothing logical or rational about committing the fallacy of denying the antecedent.
The Tim Channel
I keep hearing a lot of that lately. Sure would be nice to have it put to a test instead of just having to rely on your fantasy scenario. Why won’t she produce that birth certificate?
Just yelling “That Trigger’s Crazy” isn’t an effective argument. In my opinion, that’s a bridge to nowhere.
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Jay
Sullivan’s so all-over-the-map, I’m sure he’ll soon insist Paul Ryan gave birth to Trig.