They Are Also After Americorps

It isn’t just PBS and Planned Parenthood, btw- they are also after Americorps.

At some point, people need to recognize that we are dealing with dangerous radicals, and there literally is nothing they care about other than what you do with your vagina, making the baby Jeeebus happy, and how they can amass more wealth for their corporate masters.






84 replies
  1. 1
    cleek says:

    elections, consequences, etc..

    we tried to warn everyone, but they didn’t listen. hopefully they’ll listen next time.

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    morzer says:

    Hundreds of millions would be cut from border security.

    B..b.. but I thought we had to beef up border security ‘cos of all the Muslim radicals coming across from Mexico to attack our Egyptian friend Hosni and drop their anchor babies in this country.

    Or did I hear Peter King wrong?

    Seriously, the brass-necked hypocrisy of these ignorant goat-fuckers never ceases to amaze me.

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    GregB says:

    The far right rump of the GOP used to be called “the lunatic fringe”.

    They are now the people that run the party and pretty much set the talking points agenda for the whole country.

    We’re at the end game of a decades long plan to capture the machinery of power and it is pretty much what most of the gloom and doomsayers on the left have predicted.

    Plutocratic fascism is knocking on our door.

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    donnah says:

    My son just finished ten months service with Americorps. He spent time in Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, and South Dakota. He helped victims of flooding by mucking out houses, he helped rebuild a YMCA camp for underpriviledged kids, he worked with Habitat for Humanity and he spent time doing recreational time with disabled people in rehab.

    He was paid $175 every two weeks, and a stipend at the end of his term for education. He loved it, and it made him a better person, mentally and physically.

    The fact that they want to defund it infuriates me. It’s a win/win program for everyone. These bastards don’t deserve the right to vote.

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    matoko_chan says:

    this is a reaction to the demographic timer. and its all they can do really.
    consider birtherism. they have tried to turn that off in the base since last years CPAC with no effect. still around three-quarters of republican voters believe in Kenyan Obama. Rove et all want to turn off birtherism because birtherism is actually subliminated racism.
    and the demographic timer goes tick….tick….tick…

    @cleek: this is the rise of Distributed Jesusland.
    Dr. Manzi and i used to talk about that at TAS. when i was a conservative.

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    Baud says:

    @cleek: Nah. Remember, whatever the Republicans do, it’s because of the failure of the two-party system. Republicans themselves are never to blame.

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    timb says:

    @cleek: Why just 5 billion times on this here blog, I heard that Obama wasn’t no different than Republicans….

    Who knew he was? No one could have predicted that Republicans would be morons and tools and bring back arguments decided in the Gilded Age and the Loughner era. NO ONE KNEW!!!

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    morzer says:

    @GregB:

    Knocking on the door? It’s sitting in your best armchair with its muddy jackboots on, with a lit stogie, and telling you to get a move on with the brandy, chop chop.

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    artem1s says:

    Hundreds of millions would be cut from border security.

    now I’m convinced they intend to shut down the government. probably because some Tea Partier decided that it would save money and solve the deficit. after all we won’t be paying all those super rich government salaries? amiright?

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    timb says:

    @donnah: It’s socialism. Only Socialists help other people. Good Republicans know that the market will muck out those houses! When the peasants get desperate they will do anything

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    Joey Maloney says:

    @cleek: I’ve been trying to warn everyone since about 1982. I don’t know what would make everyone listen now.

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    Rick Massimo says:

    there literally is nothing they care about other than what you do with your vagina, making the baby Jeeebus happy, and how they can amass more wealth for their corporate masters.

    More to the point, if you’re to the left of Joe Lieberman John McCain Dick Cheney Orrin Hatch wherever Dick Armey has drawn the line today, they want to destroy anything they even THINK you care about and support, and wave the smoking ruins under your nose. Because fuck you. Because they’re Americans and you aren’t.

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    Fog says:

    The Republican Party is very easy to figure out. Enrich the donors, and scorn the rest. If a bill enriches the donors, it’s a good bill, if not, it’s socialism.

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    Carnacki says:

    Class warfare plain and simple and the radicals won’t be happy until we’re serfs again.

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    Zifnab says:

    It isn’t just PBS and Planned Parenthood, btw- they are also after Americorps.

    Honestly, they lost all shred and pretense of seriousness when they tried to gut funding for the IRS. I can only imagine what the Senate is going to do when it gets the bill. Gutting the whole thing and starting from scratch seems like a smart move.

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    Allan says:

    Perhaps Michele Bachmann’s son could be pressed into service for ads, PSAs, press releases, etc.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Rick Massimo: I’d like to see you proven wrong, but I ain’t holding my breath.

    Who can tell if I’m paranoid? They’re not only out to get me, they’re openly announcing it.

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    Roger Moore says:

    I think they care about all aspects of our sex lives, John, not just the vagina. They clearly care a lot more about the uterus than the vagina, for one thing, but that’s only a small part of the whole picture. They aren’t just after Roe v. Wade. They’d love to overturn Lawrence v. Texas and Griswold v. Connecticut, too, and I’m sure that there are plenty of Republicans who would be perfectly happy overturning Loving v. Virginia.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Zifnab: They’ve already got their own version and (IIRC) Reid has pretty much said the House version will be DOA.

    Maybe the one bright spot in the March govt shutdown is that it’ll give me time to put in some staple crops.

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    satby says:

    Americorps Alum here, and honestly, I’ve wondered for a long time now what it will take to wake people the fuck up. But when I were my Americorps shirts, I usually get a “what’s that?” reaction from a lot of people. As is usual, if it doesn’t directly hurt them, the vast majority of people in this country don’t care. Emapthy fail, Golden Rule fail,imagination fail.

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    General Stuck says:

    At some point, people need to recognize that we are dealing with dangerous radicals,

    For today, I have to believe “the people” will recognize this and respond by rejecting this all out assault by the wingnuts on “the people” themselves. The election of 2010 taught me to not take anything for granted when it comes to the ignorant reflexes of American voters to vote against their own best interest and believe GOP lies that seems more like a compulsion. If they don’t recognize it, then there is no point worrying about it, because this country will be too stupid to go on much longer.

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    Michael D. says:

    @donnah: My son just finished ten months service with Americorps. He spent time in Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, and South Dakota.

    He helped victims of flooding by mucking out houses…
    POOR PEOPLE

    …he helped rebuild a YMCA camp for underpriviledged kids…
    POOR PEOPLE

    …he worked with Habitat for Humanity…
    POOR PEOPLE

    and he spent time doing recreational time with disabled people in rehab…
    POOR PEOPLE

    …He was paid $175 every two weeks…
    WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION TO POOR PEOPLE

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    morzer says:

    @Michael D.:

    Yup. Pretty clear confession that the young man engaged in class warfare and cost American jobs by his heartless assault on Wall St.

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    BGinCHI says:

    Everything in this country has gone downhill since Thriller came out.

    Thanks Michael Jackson.

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    Jinx says:

    IMO, going after everything at once is another way to divide and conquer.

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    4tehlulz says:

    This is only the warm up to when the GOP truly destroys the economy by forcing the gov’t into default.

    Any new estimates as to when we hit the debt ceiling?

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    BGinCHI says:

    For a really concise and useful set of links to what’s going on in WI, check out Greg’s useful roundup at Plumline for today:

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/

    Great pieces by Andy Stern, Dionne, and lots of other folks.

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    fasteddie9318 says:

    Cole, why are you trying to take away the free speech rights of those dangerous radicals by criticizing them? We have seen the “radical,” sir, and IT IS YOU!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @BGinCHI: I always believed Thriller was a refudiation of Reaganism in all it’s forms.
    Compare the sunny avuncular Ronnie with the shy and helpful MJ at the beginning of the video. After a bit, the facade slips and the evil brain eating zombie emerges. Of course, Michael’s character first goes through being a Werewolf, and then a zombie dancing machine.
    But I think it’s genius.

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    Punchy says:

    limiting the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to enforce clean-air standards and defunding the Consumer Product Safety Commission’s ability to create a database of injuries.

    So these Republicans literally want their children and grandchildren to die from either acid rain or faulty cribs?

    If I didnt know any better, I’d swear this was cribbed from the Onion. This is just insane.

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    ornery curmudgeon says:

    @timb: “Why just 5 billion times on this here blog, I heard that Obama wasn’t no different than Republicans….”

    No, what you heard 5 billion times was people COMPLAINING about people saying that Obama was no different than Republicans.

    And now we can make that 5 billion and one, thanks.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Jinx:

    IMO, going after everything at once is another way to divide and conquer.

    Of course. Because then you force people to prioritize where their energy will go to defend something critical to them.
    And their preference may not align with their neighbors’ preferences.
    Cogito hoc sum equipo, people will fight about it amongst themselves instead of banding together.

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    comrade scott's agenda of rage says:

    Emapthy fail, Golden Rule fail,imagination fail.

    This describes all my red, rurl and very Catholic central Misery neighbors.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @ornery curmudgeon: Most of those were people “pre-complaining” about how they just knew people were going to say there was no difference.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Corner Stone: I think in MJ’s case, it’s OK to blame the messenger.

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    Triassic Sands says:

    …there literally is nothing they care about other than what you do with your vagina, making the baby Jeeebus happy, and how they can amass more wealth for their corporate masters cronies.

    The corporate wealthy are not the “masters” in this game.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Punchy:

    So these Republicans literally want their children and grandchildren to die from either acid rain or faulty cribs?

    Of course not silly.
    Free Market Solutions! Invisible Hand! Fap!

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    Zifnab says:

    @Michael D.: Ayn Rand is rolling in her grave.

    @donnah: Your son sounds awesome.

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    4jkb4ia says:

    I may not have been a student for longer than John has, but I have been in the Americorps potential demographic for longer, and at least some Republicans have always been out to get it/ideologically opposed to it.

    In fact, here is a beautiful link showing Dick Armey complaining about the whole idea of Americorps in the 2003 Congress. OMB Watch also described Congressional Republicans wanting to halve Bush’s original Americorps request for that year.

    What has changed is the completely nihilistic appeals that these folks think put them into office. Not cynical enough to think that they believe Obama would go along with slashing Americorps when community service is one of his main tropes.

    (John: “Shoo! Go away! Didn’t I post this when you weren’t likely to be here? Don’t you have a nice post on the exigent letters OLC opinion to read, or something?”)

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    Corner Stone says:

    @BGinCHI: I would further meta transcribe Thriller vis a vis Reagan but I have to make another cocktail.
    Maybe in a bit.

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    ornery curmudgeon says:

    Except the Right really doesn’t care about making Jesus ‘happy.’ We can stop giving these folks the veneer of actual religious commitment.

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    BGinCHI says:

    So obvious, but so true, from Steve Benen:

    I’m reminded, from time to time, of something John Boehner said in July, when he accused Democrats of “snuffing out the America that I grew up in.” This occurred to me in the wake of the GOP’s anti-union efforts because the America Boehner grew up in featured large union memberships throughout society, and the “right to form a union was broadly accepted.”
    __
    If Boehner wants to protect the norms of that bygone era, and prevent the “snuffing out” of the America he grew up in, the House Speaker is fighting for the wrong side.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Most of those were people “pre-complaining” about how they just knew people were going to say there was no difference.

    You remain utterly full of shit.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @Corner Stone: Liquor or gasoline?

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    Roger Moore says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Free Market Solutions! Invisible Hand!

    So they want the Invisible Hand to strangle babies in their cribs. How much nicer a way of putting it.

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    … how they can amass more wealth for their corporate masters.

    Why are you such an insensitive prick? Corporations are people, too.

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    Zifnab says:

    @timb:

    Why just 5 billion times on this here blog, I heard that Obama wasn’t no different than Republicans….

    Just because the GOP rapes a puppy, that doesn’t absolve Obama from kicking one. He’s the god damn President. When his first move is to “meet in the middle” with people intent on yanking the entire discourse hard to the right by screwing over the folks on his left, he’s earned a degree of ire.

    That Obama is putting forward policy like an 80s era Republican while his opponents forward policy like a 60s era Klansman doesn’t make his policies LBJ liberal by default. Obama remains a very middle-of-the-road moderate, and a number of his policies fall squarely on the “conservative” side of the spectrum, lunatic conservatives not-withstanding.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @BGinCHI: Well I’m trying a new brand of 100 proof vodka today so I’d say it qualifies as both.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @General Stuck: Doth protest too much, Herr Guilty?

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    General Stuck says:

    @Zifnab:

    Total and utter bullshit. You fuckers can’t help yourselves bashing Obama for wingnuts actions. here is a clue. “liberal” is not just the ideal, and not reaching that ideal is not moderate or to the right. It is progress, liberal progress. Universal health care is and has been the number one LIBERAL objective for decades, and Obama reached and accomplished it. How it is accomplished is another issue altogether, and the lesser of which where Universal health care coverage was THE LIBERAL brass ring.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I’m not the one that introduced Obama bashing on a republican bashing thread. Which is the sole product you have produced on this blog for nigh on three years now.

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    jwb says:

    @General Stuck: I think the problem is distraction and inattention far more than stupidity. The gooper message is carefully tested to appear to make sense if you don’t think about it too much—the way most people get their news. In particular, it’s designed to appear more or less internally consistent and simple enough to be easily repeated. That way people will hear the same thing from what seems a variety of sources, which will help shore up the appearance of internal consistency. This is all predicated on a large swath of voters who have to work long hours and so don’t really have the time to check out details. That’s why internal consistency of the story is far more important than whether it is a true account. Reality will eventually wear out the internal consistency, but by that point the Goopers have latched on to another shiny object, the politics have shifted, and so it takes a long time for the inattentive and distracted to catch on—if they ever do.

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    jwb says:

    @Zifnab: Kind of interesting that the Obama-bashing makes a re-appearance the same time that the GOP is bashing on Obama for intervening in Wisconsin. Coincidence? Let’s just say I don’t believe in political coincidences. You may not realize it, but you’re a tool.

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    R-Jud says:

    @4jkb4ia:

    I may not have been a student for longer than John has, but I have been in the Americorps potential demographic for longer, and at least some Republicans have always been out to get it/ideologically opposed to it.

    I was a Teach for America corps member from 2001-2003, and at least three times a year I get “OMG CALL YOUR CONGRESSTHINGS NOW!” letters from the central office, because some fuckstick in Washington is trying to strip out Americorps funding (TFA is an Americorps program). It’s a Clinton program, so naturally they despise it.

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    gypsy howell says:

    Jeeezus,it’s the power plants too. Christalmighty, Wisconsin is FUCKED.

    Also hidden away in his budget bill:

    16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

    I started to bold parts of this, but the whole thing is one huge disaster.

    via Atrios

    I’m afraid to think of what Corbett is up to in my state (Pa) – I haven’t heard much except that he wants to get rid of the state stores, which on the surface will strike most Pennsylvanians as a really great idea, except what it’s really about is busting up the union. Oh, and selling off the liquor stores to his buddies, no doubt.

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    4jkb4ia says:

    @BGinChi:

    Very good link from Andy Stern, especially the part about the pensions not being adequately funded to start with. Also good news about Schumer taking SS off the table and saying it has nothing to do with the deficit.

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    Zifnab says:

    @General Stuck:

    Universal health care is and has been the number one LIBERAL objective for decades, and Obama reached and accomplished it.

    First and foremost, Obama’s ACA brings us closer to universal health care. But it does not take us all the way there by a fair stretch. I can still be without insurance. And I can still get priced out of care. It’s a step in the right direction. But it’s a step proposed under Republican Administrations in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Pretending the private health care system is a progressive or liberal ideal is absurd revisionist thinking.

    Secondly, the ACA doesn’t really kick into effect until 2014. It doesn’t really really kick into effect until 2018. So Obama hasn’t accomplished even the limited scope of ACA just yet. Another year like ’10 could put us on the fast track to repeal under President Romney or Pawlenty or Palin.

    Finally, Obama still clings to Bush-Era foreign policy and police powers. The Patriot Act isn’t going to get his Veto. The tax cuts still haven’t expired. And his justice department has been woefully disappointing in rolling back Bush-Era malfeasance. And – oh yeah – we’re STILL in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, we’re more in Afghanistan now than we were four years ago.

    That doesn’t make Obama a screaming wingnut radical. But it does put one foot squarely in conservative territory.

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    BGinCHI says:

    @4jkb4ia: Yeah, you read those links and you get the slightly optimistic sense that GOP overreach is the best thing that ever happens every 15 years.

    This is going to wake people up.

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    Alex S. says:

    @gypsy howell:

    And we know what this is leading to, and why:

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/20.....h-brothers
    http://www.alternet.org/newsan.....to_30,000/ (scroll down to the 3rd paragraph)

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    Suffern ACE says:

    Gee, it would have been really nice if the Dems had passed card check. Anyway, I don’t know how republicans can continue to fund Americorps. It was at the heart of the conspiracy to indoctrinate people in FEMA camps. If a good 1/2 of your base views it has a way to round up the real americans and teach them about social justice, well I don’t see how you can then go and vote to continue its existence.

    Elections have consequences. Pandering to buffoonery has consequences. They will do anything to protect the military from cuts, and what you have here is a program that probably attracts idealistic college educated youths.

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    @cleek: You get the gold star for that, Cleek.

    Despite warning everyone, all we got back was the usual lines: “No difference between the two parties”, “Obama betrayed us”, “There’ll be progress when the Repubs get in charge”, or my favorite, “Let things get so bad that Americans will go to the Left!”

    Well…didn’t happen that way, did it?

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    Shadow's Mom says:

    @jwb: Sadly, yes. Rule by sound bite does seem to be a GOP win. Unfortunately, the complexities of effectively serving the common good and the public interest are not readily summarized in 8-12 words. Also, too, the whole concept of ‘common good’ has been perverted into the us vs them meme promoted by Faux News.

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    @General Stuck: General, good points, but trying to get this through the heads of some will require something on the level of a ballpeen hammer. And even then that won’t work.

    Some will still blame Obama because he did not magically pull out a wand, wave it, utter some incantation, and POOF!! instant fix. They’re so obsessed by what he has not done that they miss what he HAS done…and it’s a damned lot.

    Meanwhile, the Repubs just boogie on, because they know that the heat that should be brought to them is being directed at Obama.

    Just my 2-cents.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Zifnab:

    First and foremost, Obama’s ACA brings us closer to universal health care. But it does not take us all the way there by a fair stretch.

    It takes us to 95 percent or thereabouts, and there is no such thing as 100 percent short of having single payer or a national system like GB. 95 percent is considered “universal” by all but those bashing Obama.

    Pretending the private health care system is a progressive or liberal ideal is absurd revisionist thinking.

    Obama didn’t create our health care system as it is, so what is your point? That he didn’t use his dictatorial powers and abolish the old system and put in place by fiat the nirvana of single payer. It is these outrageous expectations put on Obama by left wing ideologues that defies explanation by otherwise intelligent people. It is as baffling as it is troubling.

    And any sweeping reform is going to take time to implement, that is just common sense for a system as large as ours. It has to be paid for and the revenue raised to implement coverage for those that can’t afford it. There are already several important regulations in effect that gives those already with HC insurance more security. This is all nitpicky drivel imo.

    Finally, Obama still clings to Bush-Era foreign policy and police powers.

    No he doesn’t. Bush was utterly lawless and followed few existing laws. Obama is following the laws. The fact that some of them need revision for more protections is the job of congress. And once again, both the Patriot ACt and FISA current iterations are both far more constitutional than the originals Bush got passed. Though they both still need work.

    As far as Afghanistan and Iraq are concerned, we are following the withdrawal plan in place for Iraq. You can’t just pack up and leave without causing even more problems for the Iraqi’s than our wreckless adventure there has already caused. Same with Afghan, that he campaigned on winning that war and doing what was necessary to do that. He has now reversed that and announced plans for withdrawal, beginning this summer. I wish it was sooner, I agree, and I do have overall problems with Obama on some of his warfighting policies concerning AQ, but they are a far cry from being bad as Bush.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Marc McKenzie:

    General, good points, but trying to get this through the heads of some will require something on the level of a ballpeen hammer. And even then that won’t work.

    I know, and my new policy is to not engage with such bullshit, but sometimes just can’t help but respond to it.

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    General Stuck says:

    And on the tax cut extension, while I personally would have like to see them expire now, that would have taken roughly 800 billion dollars out of the economy over the next two years, and would in effect have been an anti – stimulus bill of sorts, where I though liberals were against that and for more stimulus for the econ recovery. So there are pluses and minuses in play . And then there was the promise to extend the mc tax cuts from obama. So pick your poison.

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    highwater says:

    I’ve got a question for the floor’s consideration. Does a society or social group (viewed kind of as a closed system) that decides to eliminate programs that address real problems in that society… actually end up saving any money. Follow along with me here: Let’s eliminate LIHEAP and WIC entirely, express our sympathies to those affected blah blah blah…and congratulate ourselves on the money we save. Of course the need doesn’t go away…we’re just saying we won’t address it. But is this true? When the mothers with their babies start begging in the streets. and the old folks are stacking up like frozen cordwood in the emergency rooms…are we such a pitiful excuse for a people that we will refuse to help? I think (hope?) not. So money will be spent…perhaps more money… and probably not in as rational or disciplined a way. A pompous mediocrity in the Federal government crows about saving the taxpayers money: he’s just sending the bill to the states. A pompous mediocrity of a governor (I live in Maine) says “no pain no gain” and passes the bill to the counties and towns. Now I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed…but this just all seems like a particularly specious and nasty shell game that has been allowed to go on far too long.

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    Zifnab says:

    @General Stuck:

    It takes us to 95 percent or thereabouts, and there is no such thing as 100 percent short of having single payer or a national system like GB. 95 percent is considered “universal” by all but those bashing Obama.

    NO. Universal is considered “universal” by anyone in Great Britain that enjoys actually universal health care. What we have right now is a universal right to purchase insurance. And while that should cover 95% of the population, it hasn’t been implemented just yet so we still have to wait and see if large numbers of people simply opt out and pay the fine. The penalties are so low at the start – and premiums are so ridiculously high – that incentive to purchase remains very thin.

    Obama didn’t create our health care system as it is, so what is your point?

    My point is that you can’t wave your hand at the reformed system and announce “liberalism! progressivism! sexyism!” when the system conforms far more closely to the conservative ideal system than the liberal one. Yes, Obama successfully achieved reform. A conservative reform.

    This was a national success. But it was a resounded rebuke of single payer, which retains the brand of “politically infeasible”.

    No he doesn’t. Bush was utterly lawless and followed few existing laws. Obama is following the laws.

    Obama is definitely better at following the law than Bush had been. And while that’s a point in his favor, it doesn’t excuse his support of the original Bush policies. He’s got a justice department and they should be arguing aggressively in favor of Gitmo detainee rights. They should be actively pushing precedent that will prevent the initial wiretapping abuses committed by the NSA and FBI. They should be pushing harder on voter disenfranchisement. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should have been indicted by now. Right now, Holder has been very proactive in DoJ ass-covering. The previous administration has received a big pass.

    And the gradual draw down in Iraq might be good policy, but its bad politics. Every month we remain in Iraq is another couple billion out of the budget and another opportunity for “the situation to change requiring us to stay”. Meanwhile, the ramp up in Afghanistan might have been a campaign pledge – but fuck his campaign pledges. We didn’t get a public option, we didn’t get a tax hike on the rich, and we didn’t get climate change legislation or immigration reform. But Afghanistan is the hill Obama wants to plant his “campaign promise” pledge? I think not.

    Obama’s priorities might be in line with what he thinks he can accomplish. And what can be accomplished might be decidedly right-leaning. But that doesn’t make Obama’s ultimate policy choices any less right-wing. I’m sure if he had 60 Russ Feingolds and 250 Nancy Pelosis in the Senate and House, things would be different. But only because they would be dragging him to the left.

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    timb says:

    @ornery curmudgeon: yes, and did you rest of my comment? I was making fun of them

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    timb says:

    @Zifnab: Do you want a sticker for properly analyzing the obvious? I’m inherently complaining about the real differences between batshit Republicans and the centrist in the White House and that if the Firebaggers think the way to help the progressive movement means weakening the President, then this is what they get.

    You go complain about the puppy and how a perfect President who didn’t run and doesn’t exist, would have turned the puppy into a liberal unicorn which healed the poor at a single touch; I’ll just settle for glad there is a puppy and Obama is stopping morons from eating it

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    timb says:

    @General Stuck: Not to mention that caving to that abomination (and it is one) really opened the door to a very productive lame-duck session in which several important things were done by the Senate. Make no mistake, the plutocrats asses in charge of the GOP intended that tax fight to last all month and completely run out the clock.

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    Woodrowfan says:

    after lunch with my wife and some friends Sunday I found a spittle-flecked hate note taped to my windshield. The person objected to my pro-Obama bumper-sticker and after several obscene comments promised “payback is coming.” And I live and work in a very, very Democratic area. My buddy noted how sad it was that someone goes around so angry that he takes the time to leave hate notes on a stranger’s car. they really are radicals and more violence, I fear, is coming…

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    Commenting at Ballon Juice since 1937 says:

    GOP agenda: punch hippies.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Zifnab:

    I don’t have a problem with disappointment a liberal ideal hasn’t been accomplished, but your definition of liberal and conservative is stark black and white, and makes moot the whole concept of “progress” ergo progressive. It is either pass fail with no ideological continuim between the two left right ideals.

    I don’t care if people are disappointed with Obama, or if his product of governance doesn’t measure up with their standard with what is “liberal” in their mind, or even success. What I object to is the odious equation, or comparison with Bush, or conservative charges over any part of a final bill that comes from compromise required in a democracy, albeit sometimes with folks on your own side of the isle.

    And I do not agree with just about any standard you list in this comment. It looks like a conclusion searching for an excuse.

    And further, that the left wing tactic of attacking Obama based on broad equating with Bush, or Obama actually worse than Bush, is not only not liberal, but is entirely a conservative, even tea party style of attack.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @timb: Do you understand there are two sides to a budget ledger?

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    Zifnab says:

    @General Stuck:

    I don’t have a problem with disappointment a liberal ideal hasn’t been accomplished, but your definition of liberal and conservative is stark black and white, and makes moot the whole concept of “progress” ergo progressive. It is either pass fail with no ideological continuim between the two left right ideals.

    There is some very black-and-white divisions between private and public services, high and low taxes, employee rights versus management rights, property owners versus environmentalists, etc, etc. There are some sharp lines I can draw easily enough on many of these issues.

    I don’t care if people are disappointed with Obama, or if his product of governance doesn’t measure up with their standard with what is “liberal” in their mind, or even success. What I object to is the odious equation, or comparison with Bush, or conservative charges over any part of a final bill that comes from compromise required in a democracy, albeit sometimes with folks on your own side of the isle.

    Then keep cheering for him.
    I remain unsatisfied, and I’d like to see Obama get more progressive support (particularly in the Senate) while personally pushing a more progressive agenda in the face of Republican opposition.

    I’m not going to vote for anyone but Obama come the general election – crazy events notwithstanding – but I reserve the right to be upset at the state of national affairs and disappointed at Obama’s dogged attempts to compromise and place nice with a pack of backstabbing jackals in the opposition party. His “come to the table half-surrendered” legislative approach drives me freak’n bonkers. And the fact that the Bush Administration remains at large fills me with dread for the future of the US when we are next forced to suffer at the hands of another GOP President.

    Obama isn’t Bush in a black guy mask. But he is a President willing to embrace some of his predecessor’s precedents and policies while tacitly absolving Bush of a long list of crimes. If we keep running back to Bush as a point of comparison, it is only because Bush (like Hitler before him) is a very colorful and recognizable physical representation of bad policy decisions.

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    General Stuck says:

    but I reserve the right to be upset at the state of national affairs and disappointed at Obama’s dogged attempts to compromise and place nice with a pack of backstabbing jackals in the opposition party.

    And I reserve the right to call your self absorbed bullshit self absorbed bullshit. And in fact did in this thread.

    If we keep running back to Bush as a point of comparison, it is only because Bush (like Hitler before him) is a very colorful and recognizable physical representation of bad policy decisions.

    No, you keep running back to Bush because you are apparently too clownish and stupid to know any better.

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    morzer says:

    @Zifnab:

    Look, we tried arguing for a regular trial for KSM in New York, and by the time the GOP and their media jackals had finished, you might have thought we’d suggested having him to dinner at the White House and given the chance to run for Mayor of NYC. God knows, we need a stronger commitment to real justice and a sense of faith in who we are, but it seems that fear and loathing are the current national priorities. It’s hard to blame Obama for not doing more when you realize how badly tilted the playing field actually is.

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    Zifnab says:

    @morzer:

    Look, we tried arguing for a regular trial for KSM in New York, and by the time the GOP and their media jackals had finished, you might have thought we’d suggested having him to dinner at the White House and given the chance to run for Mayor of NYC.

    We had majority government. If the Republicans want to whine and scream and cry, fuck’m. Push it through anyway. By the time the trial runs its course, the media will have been completely distracted by the next shiny object.

    If you bow to the pressure of wingnut screeching every time, they’ll just screech that much harder when they want to get their way. You can’t back down from these guys. It just makes them stronger.

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    Zifnab says:

    @General Stuck:

    And I reserve the right to call your self absorbed bullshit self absorbed bullshit. And in fact did in this thread.

    No, you keep running back to Bush because you are apparently too clownish and stupid to know any better.

    You really whine like a little bitch, you know that?

    Seriously, I didn’t buy the O-bot meme before, but you just can’t even wrap your brain around the idea that someone doesn’t love him as much as you do.

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    General Stuck says:

    @Zifnab:

    It’s not about love, you idiot. It’s about not bashing a dem president for utter bullshit memes, like comparisons to fucking Bush. Everything you wrote on this thread is shallow recycled dogma from about any left wing blog, and is nearly devoid of any detail or nuance, as well as perspective. IOW”s you level criticism of Obama out of abject emo ignorance and I am simply pointing that out. and will continue to do so.

    edit – and this is not whining, it is me shoving your shit back into your face.

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    A Humble Lurker says:

    @Zifnab:

    We had majority government. If the Republicans want to whine and scream and cry, fuck’m. Push it through anyway. By the time the trial runs its course, the media will have been completely distracted by the next shiny object.
    __
    If you bow to the pressure of wingnut screeching every time, they’ll just screech that much harder when they want to get their way. You can’t back down from these guys. It just makes them stronger.

    Because it wasn’t like there were any Democrats in Congress who had a problem with that and would’ve voted against it, right? Oh wait….

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