What will he say this year…

Just in time for this year’s State of the Union Address a gun and accessories manufacturer in South Carolina is celebrating their well known neo-Confederate asshole of a Congressman, Joe Wilson, with a special edition of a lower receiver for the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. It is a limited edition of a part that can be adjusted to convert the weapon into a fully automatic rifle and it is stamped with “You Lie” in tribute to Wilson’s childish outburst at last year’s SOTU:

Joe_you lie_Wilsons line of gun parts

According to the local paper the asswipes represented by Congressman Asswipe wanted to:

“…honor our esteemed congressman Joe Wilson with the release of our new ‘You Lie’ AR-15 lower receiver…”

And in light of the many, many recent events linked to gun violence the company added some small print to help Wilson duck and cover:

The product “is neither endorsed nor affiliated with Joe Wilson or his campaign…”

And even as Wilson, his words and image are being used to sell the limited edition, his spokesman is claiming that the Congressman is absolutely impotent when it comes to the control his image. Somehow, I don’t buy that. I suspect that Wilson is thrilled at the thin veil of deniabilty and even more excited about the awesome gangsta street cred a weapon stamped with his jerk mark gives him at CPAC, Republican Confederate Party meetings and in gatherings of the Tea Party on their carefully manicured astroturfed lawns.

One wonders how Wilson will expand the series at this year’s State of the Union speech. He must be meeting with his ‘advisors’ to come up with a new catch phrase for 2011.There are just so many possibilities. Will he yell out a simple “Shut up Nigger” or maybe a more forceful rallying point for the movement like “Kill the Nigger” or maybe he’ll go with a simple “Fuck You”. Whatever he yells, one can be sure he will be defended for exercising his ‘free speech’ and ‘protecting’ folks from that “takeover” of our Country that happened when a vast majority of Americans elected a nigra as President.

And whatever this white surpremacist fuckstick from the State of Traitors yells out we can be sure that his inbred pig-fucking constituents at the gun factory will stamp it on some weapon to be sold to neo-Confederates everywhere. And if one of these folks turns out to follow in the footsteps of the others since 2008–well that’s all good to these fucks because it just helps them sell more guns.

What a bunch of assholes.

UPDATE: ABL and I hit the publish button at almost the same time on the same subject. Turns out I went up just after her. In case you missed her very fine post, it is here.

123 replies
  1. 1

    HAHAHAHA. I’m cracking up, Dennis.

    jinx! Buy me a coke.


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    stuckinred says:

    We have simultaneous posts on the same topic.

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    greennotGreen says:

    I googled it, but I didn’t see a definition immediately, and I don’t want to wade into gun-related sites. What’s a “lower receiver”?

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    scav says:

    brilliant, isn’t it?

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    freelancer says:


    The gun is actually this one. And the Lower receiver is the component of the gun that the magazine interfaces with, just forward of the trigger.

    This is digusting.

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    Paris says:

    hey, free shipping too!

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    JGabriel says:


    What’s a “lower receiver”?

    My first guess was that it was a position on a football team, but that doesn’t quite seem to fit the context.


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    freelancer says:


    hey, free shipping too!

    Not to mention a free visit by the Secret Service.

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    Calouste says:


    I’m surprised they don’t advertise the complimentary n****r hunting license.

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    stuckinred says:

    @JGabriel: They make the AR-15 so you can do all kinds of modifications and the LC is a major component.

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    Elisabeth says:

    What? No target Obama accessory?

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    stuckinred says:

    @Calouste: They are free in South Carolina anyway.

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    Dennis G. says:

    It is the part the manages the bullets as they fly up from the magazine, through the lower receiver and then out the barrel and into the target.

    “You Lie” is a fitting motto for these race obsessed white revolutionaries.


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    TR says:

    Can we let that shit state secede again?

    On a more productive note, when Wilson did his little tantrum last year, I made sure to call up a few B&Bs and restaurants in Charleston to let them know how much we’d enjoyed staying and eating there in the past but that we’d never vacation in Charleston again as long as they had that idiot as their congressman. Shook a few people up.

    The Yankee-hating bullshit is just something they abide by until it interferes with the bottom line.

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    Liberal Sandlapper says:

    @dennisg: “State of Traitors”? ” Inbred pig fucking constituents?”

    Generalize much, asshole? You’re ignorant insinuations that this is a state of traitors is a bullshit lie. And you can go fuck yourself.

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    hildebrand says:

    I am starting to think that perhaps the Secret Service may need a few more agents in the House chamber later this month.

    My god.

    I remember having a conversation after the election in 2008 with a couple of people at the Harold’s Chicken Shack on 53rd Street in Hyde Park – their greatest fear was that some monster would take a shot at Obama before he even had a chance to be inaugurated. The fear was palpable. Every day that passes makes me think it is just a matter of time.

    I know Obama needs to be out and about, but my goodness, I think I would be okay if he just decided to hang out in the White House for quite some time.

    And that doesn’t even begin to express how deep the sadness is that I feel for the families mourning in Arizona.

    How dare the right-wing clowns try to make themselves out as the victims in all of this.

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    WyldPirate says:

    Man, I’m a life-long hunter and gun owner and a used-to-be NRA member (over 20 years ago since I discontinued my membership), but this shit has just gone too far, now.

    Fucking Congress is gutless when it comes to changing the laws, but I saw Peter King running his trap about passing a law to make it illegal to have a weapon within 1000 feet of a Federal official. I guess they see it as protection for me and not for thee. Just more of the same separation of them from the “rabble”.

    I just don’t get it. We have had Federal laws that limit the number of shells to three in a shotgun (that normally holds 5-to 7) when hunting migratory birds (and most states have these same laws for non-migratory game) for decades, but we can’t get limits on magazine size for pistols and semi-auto rifles? We can protect ducks and doves from the unsportsmanlike blasting of them from the air, but we can’t limit the carnage a fucking madman can inflict on a crowd of innocent people.

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    KG says:

    even as a public figure, Mr. Wilson could seek a cease and desist if he was offended by this. Likeness rights and all that. The fact that he hasn’t acted to stop this tells me that he’s endorsing it.

    As for the gun, um, why exactly does someone need a machine gun? I can understand having a hand gun for self defense, I can understand having a rifle or shot gun for hunting and/or defense of property. But that looks like something I would expect military personnel to be carrying.

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    General Stuck says:

    I expect Joe Wilson to kiss Obama’s feet and plead for him to help make all those awful mean and nasty libtards stop making political hay out of all their violent minded cracker talking shit out of our asses.

    Please Mister President, we didn’t mean it and didn’t think nobody would get hurt, just some fun politickin’ was all. And you gave Hillary the finger once, so you’re really one of us after all.

    And I expect Obama will pardon these asshats to a degree, likely sometime before TSOTU address, which will piss me off to no end, but will also be the presidential thing to do as national therapist in chief.

    Then we might have a couple weeks of glad handing and the wingnuts will be right back at their pissing wildly under the flaming tree of liberty, or some such bullshit.

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    Bnut says:

    The lower receiver is actually the part of the weapon which is considered the “firearm” under law. You can own the butt stock, upper receiver, barrel, bolt group, but unless you have the bottom on it, no rifle.

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    stuckinred says:

    @Dennis G.: Not to quibble but the rounds are in a spring loaded magazine that where there is upward pressure. The round is actually two pieces, the casing and the “bullet”. The round seats in the receiver and, in the case of the 5.56 round, a firing pin strikes the center primer causing the explosion and then the “bullet” is projected out of the barrel. The only flying takes place in the last step.

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    jeff says:

    From last thread, since nobody saw it:

    Growing up with terrorism in Pensacola:

    First: A Holy War in Pensacola from People magazine


    My Christmas morning in 1985 was inaugurated by bombs exploding. We have a history of terrorism in the United States. I don’t go back to the Klan terror, but the last Klan hanging of a black man was also in my area, in downtown Mobile and I saw a hell of a lot more than anyone should have, though I did not see the body.

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    jrg says:

    When I was in college, I went deer hunting in SC with one of my frat brothers (he was a great guy, not racist or unhinged at all). He warned me that people down there were country, and different than what I’d be used to (I grew up in a liberal southern town). I was sure to call people “sir” and “ma’am”, and generally acted respectfully.

    When we were done hunting for the day, we went back to the family farm. It was there I noticed in a bookshelf a bunch of neo-nazi and KKK books and paraphernalia. One of my friend’s cousins was living there, so I assumed it was his.

    That’s the first time I realized how alive racism and eliminationism actually is in places like rural SC. It was like a kick in the gut. Up until then, I did not really realize it still existed – I thought it was part of history. Had I not experienced that, I would be much more skeptical of allegations of racism towards people like Joe Wilson… But I know it’s real… Very, very real.

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    TR says:

    Meanwhile, Virginia Foxx sets a new standard for stupidity.

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    Mr. Blink says:

    @Liberal Sandlapper: I think you mean “your”, not “you’re”. Learn some grammar before you call someone ignorant.

    On a side note, I agree that this bullshit is exactly the same kind of rhetoric we have been upset about. Can you imagine the douchebags at Fox if a left-wing company produced something similar in reference to the almighty Glenn Beck? We would never hear the end of it, and it would be “unpatriotic” and “unamerican”. Bunch of hillbilly dick holes. Oh, even though I am a socialist fuckstick dirty hippie liberal, I am also an NRA member. But this shit pisses me the fuck off.

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    General Stuck says:


    She looks like an aging Muldoon.

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    stuckinred says:

    @KG: A machine gun is an automatic weapon, these are not.

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    Dennis G. says:

    @Liberal Sandlapper:
    I call the owners of the gun shop his ‘Inbred pig fucking constituents’, it was not a generalization–it was very specific to those assholes.

    As for the “State of Traitors” nickname, it is one that was earned in the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and the Civil Rights era. As Wilson and these fucks are out of that tradition, I used the nickname. As long as South Carolina elects folks like Wilson there will be truth to this nickname, even as I admit it is an insult for those moments of the worst behavior. This IMHO was one of those moments.

    Anger will make us all assholes from time to time and inspire us to embrace words and phrases that some may find to be an over generalization. I am not exempt form this.

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    KG says:

    @stuckinred: sure as hell looked like a machine gun. but then I’m rather ignorant when it comes to guns, beyond the basics of: don’t put your finger on the trigger unless you’re going to shoot; point; shoot.

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    dmsilev says:

    Preston Brooks would be proud. After he caned Sumner nearly to death, a whole bunch of “fine Southern gentlemen” sent him new canes with engravings like “hit him again” and so forth.


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    WyldPirate says:

    And whatever this white surpremacist fuckstick from the State of Traitors yells out we can be sure that his inbred pig-fucking constituents at the gun factory will stamp it on some weapon to be sold to neo-Confederates everywhere.

    Not everyone in South Carolina or the southern US are what you make them out to be nor are any of the people living there now responsible for what happened 150 years ago.

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    Bnut says:

    @KG: I will go there. I own an AR-style rifle. I use it for target shooting, but otherwise it’s locked in the gun cabinet with a trigger lock. To me it’s not even a home defense weapon. That’s what my spear fishing gun is for.

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    gbear says:

    Poor ABL’s post has been abandoned by all the cool kids who had to move onto the next new thing, so I’ll repost this here:

    Obama should use a photo of that ‘tribute’ to Nelson as a backdrop during his entire speech and just fucking dare anyone to make a sound.

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    Dennis G. says:

    Your point is well taken. “Fly” was the wrong word to use. Prose is a slippery thing…

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    stuckinred says:

    @KG: They are the civilian version of the M-16. The military version has a selector switch that goes from safe to single to auto (which is now limited to a 3 round burst). I’m not defending them just making sure we have our nomenclature down.

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    hilts says:


    Gun Owners of America sets another new standard for stupidity and Palinesque crazy

    First of all, our prayers go out to the families and victims of the horrific tragedy that took place in Tucson over the weekend. We pray that God will bring comfort to them in this time of trial. The political left is trying to pin this tragedy on gun owners and conservative talk radio. Never mind the fact that this creep hated the Bible and the U.S. flag, loved the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf and, according to his friends, was a drug abusing lefty. But why let the facts get in the way? Already, we see the pattern we witnessed in Columbine, with liberal politicians flocking like vultures to pick political advantage from a tragedy.

    From Gun Owners of America News Alert “Politicizing the Arizona Tragedy”

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    stuckinred says:

    @Dennis G.: I know, I should just shut up. Gettin kinda stir crazy here in the frozen classic city!

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    jeff says:


    Regarding southerners in general:

    Please consider my Grandfather, fondly remembered, who got fired for inviting all employees to the Christmas party of some corporation in the 1940s. I feel bad for the black employees, and my grandfather probably didn’t do it right, but he was right to bust the racist system. Consider my father and uncle, both of whom fought alongside black soldiers and disciplined white soldiers for unfair treatment of black soldiers. Again, my own parents who, against local Boy Scout practice, invited black kids to our own troop.

    The South has a history of violence, and I’ve just posted reminders of it on the last few threads. There is a LOT of racism in the South–and there are a lot of great people there, too. I donate every year to Habitat for Humanity, and suggest everyone with money do the same; their founders are from the same area as I am.

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    KG says:

    @stuckinred: i appreciate it, thanks. as I said, I’m rather ignorant when it comes to guns, so when I saw the pic linked above, my first thought was “that’s not the kind of gun a civilian needs in the civilized world.” but then, the only guns I’ve actually fired are connected to video games.

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    stuckinred says:

    @Bnut: All my weapons have the same status as yours. My Japanese rifle with the 18 inch pig sticker is my first line of defense.

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    hueyplong says:

    Even the likes of Tweety ought to make note of the timing of this SC gun thing on the heels of last Saturday.

    I can’t tell whether tomorrow’s narrative will be “libruls do it too!” or a sad head shake at the humorlessness of any Democrat who is so uncivil as to comment negatively.

    More likely both.

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    TR says:


    I love that the “liberal fascism” stupidity has gone so far in their world that they’re now convinced that possession of Mein Kampf is a signifier of liberalism.

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    handy says:


    Hey, when cornered, always double down, no?

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    numbskull says:


    That’s the first time I realized how alive racism and eliminationism actually is in places like rural SC

    And AR, and TX, and GA, and OK, and LA, and AL, and KY, and PA, and NY, and CA, and IA, and…and…

    Like I whined about in the other thread, I have to rub shoulders a lot with these assholes, and they’re in every state that has a rural component. Which means that they’re in every state (that I’ve lived or worked in, anyway).

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    stuckinred says:

    @jeff: And don’t let the north off the hook. “People from Mississippi need to come to Chicago to learn how to hate”. MLK

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    Mike in NC says:

    Will he yell out a simple “Shut up Nigger” or maybe a more forceful ralleying point for the movement like “Kill the Nigger” or maybe he’ll go with a simple “Fuck You”.

    #3 would be considered to be too disrespectful, so I’m going with #1. Don’t forget that Wilson used to work for the racist/rapist Strom Thurmond, who remains a demi-god in SC.

    The Yankee-hating bullshit is just something they abide by until it interferes with the bottom line.

    The Confederate flag on the state house grounds has been the subject of a boycott by the NAACP for some time. It’s definitely hurt SC, where tourism is the #1 industry since all the factory jobs were shipped overseas in the 80s and 90s, but the flag is apparently sacrosanct.

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    hilts says:

    Dan Burton’s Modest Proposal

    An aide to Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) tells CBS News that the Indiana Republican plans to introduce legislation next week that would encase the House Gallery in “a transparent and substantial material” such as Plexiglas that would keep members of the public from being able to throw explosives or make other attacks on members on the House floor.

    h/t http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....03544.html

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    Cacti says:

    I’ve often wanted ask those who fantasize about the Second Amendment granting some mythic right to overthrow the government…

    How is it that the right wing of the Supreme Court hasn’t struck down all laws against sedition and insurrection?

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    Calouste says:



    Not everyone in South Carolina or the southern US are what you make them out to be nor are any of the people living there now responsible for what happened 150 years ago.

    *Cough* Secession Ball *cough*.

    They might not be responsible for what happened 150 years ago, but they sure celebrate it.

    I wonder if Austria holds an Anschlussfest next spring. I just wonder.

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    Bruce Webb says:

    I hear they offer free schtupping with every lower receiver delivered. You get your ‘man-a-zine’ pre-packed.

    Damn spell check. I meant ‘shipping’ and ‘magazine’ and ‘pre-loaded’

    Not that this would make it any less obscene.

    “is that an extended clip in your pocket? Or are you just happy to see me?”. (Mae West meets Carmen Miranda meets banana clip)

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    KG says:

    @hilts: why not just close the capitol to everyone? i mean, you’ve got c-span, that’s the same thing, right?

    ok, laker game on now, so i will be focusing on that, and the fact that i am not there even though a friend called with tickets then decided she didn’t want to go.

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    Jager V. Wilfork says:

    When I was in the Army a redneck in my platoon was talking about how he used to “plank niggers” growing up in South Carolina. He and his fiends would drive down narrow country roads and look for a black person walking along the road, as they would approach they would slide a plank out the window, speed up and knock the “nigger, ass over teakettle” he added “those dumb bastards nevah knew wha hit em”. On a personal note, I caught the bastard going through my locker about a month later, I broke his nose and knocked him down the barracks stairs, the dumb bastard never knew what hit him.

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    cleek says:


    Gun Owners of America sets another new standard for stupidity and Palinesque crazy

    they took examples from his on-line statements and turned them into absolute proof that their enemies remain as evil as they’ve always proclaimed.

    what’s wrong with that?

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    handy says:


    Boy this is all feeling like the aftermath of Sept. 11/anthrax scares all over again.

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    stuckinred says:

    @Jager V. Wilfork: Plenty of GI’s did that shit in Korea when I was there.

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    GregB says:

    Propaganda win for Jonah Goldberg.

    Sadly yes.

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    gbear says:

    @numbskull: I believe that one of the most successful white supremacist record labels in the country is located in a suburb just south of St. Paul, MN. It’s everywhere.

    (sorry for no link but I don’t want to google for racist information)

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    Dennis G. says:

    I let my anger at this cloud my prose towards phrases of generalization as oppose to more specific ones. The neo-Confederate movement can be found in all 50 States. It is not uniquely Southern and resistance to it is not uniquely Northern. In-artful phrases quickly are read as the old North v South descriptors of the problem.

    As these phrases of anger can be misread, they do not help to make my point. I take your critique of them and those form others quite seriously. Thanks.

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    DS says:

    @numbskull: Yeah, I’ve been to central PA a few times on business. Wow. Still not as bad as Mississippi though.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Dennis G.:

    Anger will make us all assholes from time to time and inspire us to embrace words and phrases that some may find to be an over generalization. I am not exempt form this.

    When you chill out, Senator Jim Bob DeMint (Asshole-SC) wants to talk to you about the Marxist Kenyan squatting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. DeMint was recently reelected in a landslide. And please buy his book.

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    kdaug says:

    @stuckinred: The first thing you notice when you pick them up is how damned light they are. Literally – we’re talking 6-7 pounds. They look heavy in pictures, but it’s deceptive.

    The second thing you notice is how little kick they have compared to even a pistol. Feels like a .22 rifle – a gentle nudge to the shoulder.

    The ones I’ve shot didn’t seem particularly accurate (could have been the shooter), but with a three round burst you don’t need high accuracy.

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    jrg says:

    @jeff: No doubt there are kind, reasonable rural people and southerners. I wasn’t trying to suggest that there are not, I was just pointing out that the one time I encountered raw, unapologetic, eliminationist racism, it was in Joe Wilson country.

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    stuckinred says:

    @kdaug: I carried an M-14 in Korea, a real ass kicking weapon. When they gave us those Mattel jobs in Vietnam I was pissed!

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    jeff says:

    @Dennis G.:

    I appreciate it, and I hope you saw my posts about the terrorism I grew up with in the 80s and 90s. (We weren’t terrorized all day, every day, but if you needed to go to the Women’s Clinic, one would have been.)

    I know you are an historian of these things, but it’s easy to forget the earlier terrorism.

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    Bnut says:

    @stuckinred: 18 inches, good god. That’s not a bayonet, that’s a damn sword.@kdaug: That’s because it is almost a .22 rifle, just fatter. To me, the M16/M4 is an amazing piece of engineering. In the Marine Corps we shot at 500 yards on open sights with rifles that had been manhandled and ratfucked for years. And they were damn accurate.

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.

    -James L. Petigru
    True in 1860, true today!

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    TR says:


    I love that in their minds, what he read is more indicative of his politics than what he did.

    Me, I tend to think the fact that he planned out and executed a brutal assassination attempt against a progressive Democrat is a sign that he’s not a progressive Democrat, and no amount of exploring his library card will dissuade me of that.

    But, you know, I’m not a fucking moron like they are.

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    stuckinred says:

    @Bnut: Yea, I think they are better than they were at Hill 881.

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    WyldPirate says:


    As for the gun, um, why exactly does someone need a machine gun? I can understand having a hand gun for self defense, I can understand having a rifle or shot gun for hunting and/or defense of property. But that looks like something I would expect military personnel to be carrying.

    A “machine gun” and a semi-auto assault rifle are two different animals.

    It is difficult to get a federal license to own “machine gun” or fully automatic weapon, which, will fire continuously until the ammo is exhausted once the trigger is held down. It’s illegal to own a fully automatic machine gun and has been since the 1940’s (I think) without a special Federal license. That doesn’t stop people from getting or making conversions from the legal, semi-auto “assault rifles” The semi-auto “assault” weapon can look identical to the military version (think “menacing” AK-47, M-16/M-4 or Uzi look).

    The argument that the NRA used to keep the semi-auto “assault rifles” from being banned is that mechanistically, they are identical to regular sporting rifles and shotguns that function to eject a round based on recoil gases and fire one round with each squeeze of the trigger. This is the difference between them and a “machine gun” This is, in fact, a legitimate argument. The .223 caliber rounds (or NATO 5.56 mm round (minus military bullet design) really pack less wallop to them–and are illegal to hunt deer with in many states–than many higher caliber weapons that are commonly used to hunt whitetail deer ad other “big game” mammals.

    The difference is in the high capacity magazines available for many weapons. Glock pistols hold 15 and 17 rounds I think with a normal magazine. That is more than enough. thirty rounds is insane for a magazine, though it would be possible, with much practice, for someone to swap a normal magazine in a very short period of under 6 seconds.

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    scav says:

    oh dear, free expression has been squashed again and events unnecessarily politicized: the pages have magically mistappeared except from GoogleCache. On the upside, all the page-scrubbing is probably a plus for the unemployment stats this month.

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    hilts says:

    Another Arizona Republican tripling down on stupidity

    Arizona State Rep. Jack Harper, R-Surprise, partly blamed the shooting on Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who has himself blamed caustic political rhetoric and lax gun-control as contributing to the massacre. “If he would have done his job, maybe this doesn’t happen,” Harper told USA Today on Monday. “Sheriff Dupnik did not provide for the security of a U.S. congresswoman.” “When everyone is carrying a firearm, nobody is going to be a victim,” Harper continued. “The socialists of today are only one gun confiscation away from being the communists of tomorrow.”

    h/t http://www.azcentral.com/news/.....z1An3159l6

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    ogliberal says:

    I don’t know fuckshit about guns but why, why, does any private citizen need to own one of these? Why does any private citizen need a 31-round clip for a Glock. I get the whole Second Amendment deal and I concede that the Constitution, if you err on the side of protecting a freedom rather than restricting it (which is what I would advise when the language is vague, like in the case of the Second Amendement) gives Americans the “right to bear arms”. But what are the possible civilian uses for a weapon like this other than to a) kill a lot of people, b) overcompensate for poor aim – just spray a bunch of bullets around the forest and your bound to hit something, c) overcompensate for insecurities about your penis size, d) piss off liberals, e) play Wolverines! when the brown hordes cross the border and try to take back the Southwest in the name of Santa Anna, and/or f) make sure you can blow enough FEMA fuckers away when they come to lock you up in a re-education camp.

    Here are some dudes using a common household rubber band to turn a semi-automatic M4 rifle into a fully automatic. Fun stuff:


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    Dennis G. says:

    @Mike in NC:
    And remember that Strom Thurmond’s hero and mentor was a Redshirt terrorist in Reconstruction. As a young man Pitchfork Ben Tillman took part in massacres of freed blacks in the 1870s. He was an active part of a white supremacists movement that used guns, terror and violence to “take back” their state.

    Thurmond’s father was an advisor to the old racist Tillman and young Strom learned from a master of hate. And now Wilson carries the banner soaked in the blood of over 150 years of violence.

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    Bnut says:

    @stuckinred: If you are referring to the M16, I would hope so. Although I had a guy in my unit in 2007 who’s receiver actually had an “A1” stamp on it.

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    jeff says:


    Of course. I hope that when I mention some decent people from the South that acted or are acting heroically, it’s not taken as a rebuke to those who quite rightly point up to us the insanity and violence of many others from the same region (or other regions.) Just because I want to celebrate someone from the South doesn’t mean I am excusing anything else. And I am absolutely not thin-skinned about it–bash away–just don’t fall into the belief that Col. Sanders is the problem.

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    WyldPirate says:


    They might not be responsible for what happened 150 years ago, but they sure celebrate it.

    If you mean “they” in the sense that some idiots in South Carolina celebrate the Civil War and SC’s seccesion, then you are right. If you mean that in the sense that all south Carolinians celebrate it, then you’re full of it.

    There is a difference and it’s real. It’s easy to forget that and I’ve often forgot it in my recent past when it comes to people that happen to vote Republican. It’s too easy to brand all of them as worthless pieces of dogshit when some are merely misguided, ignorant people who are basically good folks that are easily frightened and bamboozled.

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    Bnut says:

    @stuckinred: At least you had a rifle. My first deployment I was the “big” guy in my squad at 5’11” so I go the SAW. Fuck. My. Life. ANOTHER hill!??!

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    Jager V. Wilfork says:


    Chickenshits…arm them all and let them get into gunfights with the visitors, because you know if everybody has a gun nobody will “dare” to do anything rash

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    AAA Bonds says:

    Nothing like stamping part of a weapon with a statement howled at the President.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Basketball people wondered last year why Oliver Purnell would leave a great job at Clemson for a horrible rebuilding project at DePaul.

    I never wondered. I can read a map, and I know what Oliver Purnell looks like.

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    smith says:


    Agreed. I live in “deep blue” NY and there are pockets of nasty racism here that would easily be comparable to the most racist parts of the South. I mean nutbag racist Carl Paladino got 30% of the vote in November.

    I would love to see someone ask Joe Wilson about this but given our lily-livered MSM don’t hold your breath.

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    Mike in DC says:

    @Liberal Sandlapper:

    Dennis did not say bad nasty about all people from your state, just Wilson’s constituents. You know, the pig-fuckers that elected him

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    Ms.B says:

    The Palmetto State Armory (Celebrate Joe W!) site has been down for a while now (hahaha), though the ad is caught forever.

    KO brought it up tonight, but very quickly. Apparently this has been for sale for 11 months.

    I would so like to hope the light of day changes anything, but why would it?

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    Martin says:

    @hilts: Ah yes, because the only people that deserve to not be gunned down by the 2nd Amendment are those in Congress.

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    Tlachtga says:

    @numbskull: I spent my adolescence in rural Pennsylvania in the 1990s; we had Klan marches go through my town. But you don’t even have to leave Philadelphia to hear some vile shit, a lot of it from my own damn relatives.

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    GregB says:

    Meanwhile one of the few elected African-American officials in Arizona has quit his elected office because he feels threatened by the far right elements within the GOP.

    We need to check his book reading list to see if he’s ever read and Gore Vidal books so we can call him a RINO.

    Deeper and deeper we go.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @AAA Bonds:

    I left you a follow-up explanation on that earlier thread. Was it helpful?

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    Tlachtga says:

    @GregB: Ugh. Is it wrong to start talking about Bleeding Arizona? Like Twain said, “History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”

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    newhavenguy says:

    The gun fetish is very creepy, aside from the whole menace/intimidation approach to democracy. I mean, ‘vote for me, I got an M-16 in my lap’… and better/worse yet:

    Erick Erickson of CNN (!?!), via Twitter:

    “Is it just me or is some of the lefty rhetoric about gun metaphors (a long history in US btw) largely because they’re self-neutered wimps?”

    Freud wept.

    I’d suggest an “Obama Took My Penis” tag for this sort of thing.

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    WyldPirate says:


    All my weapons have the same status as yours. My Japanese rifle with the 18 inch pig sticker is my first line of defense.

    “Pig sticker”, LOL.

    My “first line of defense” is a Mossberg pump, 18.5″ barrel with flashlight under the barrel. It’s loaded with with 00 buckshot.

    You cannot beat a short pump action shotgun for home defense.

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    Nellcote says:

    Has Beck started to rehab John Wilkes Booth’s reputation yet?

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    hhex65 says:

    Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes speaking to Zaius:

    A planet where apes evolved from men? There’s got to be an answer.

    Zaius replies:

    Don’t look for it. You may not like what you find.

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    WyldPirate says:

    That M-14 stuckinred humped around was no lightweight at 11.5 lbs. Not as heavy as your SAW, but a fuckload heavier to hump around than an M16 or M4.

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    Bnut says:

    @WyldPirate: No doubt, I’ve been around some modern M-14’s, all plastic stocks and rails at this point (no wood). Did have my Vietnam-vet Master Sergeant kill paper at 700 yards with that bad boy.

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    Nellcote says:


    Meanwhile one of the few elected African-American officials in Arizona has quit his elected office because he feels threatened by the far right elements within the GOP.

    He was a McCain campaign worker last year. I wonder if McCain will stand up for him.

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    S. cerevisiae says:

    @WyldPirate: Absolutely right! Nobody argues with a nervous person with a shotgun. Even that distinctive “shick shick” when you chamber a round will make all but a pure psychopath piss their pants in fear and run as soon as they get the chance.

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    Boxer says:


    6 seconds for a reload? pfff… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    yeah, that guy is a sponsored pro, but even a normal shooter can reload in WELL under six seconds.

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    Bnut says:

    @Boxer: With his blood pumping, in the moment, possibly under return fire, without professional training and his reload in a place he has practiced with? Small chance.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Rachel Maddow is doing a piece on guns and noted that as a congressman, Dick Cheney was almost alone in voting against banning both “cop-killer” bullets and plastic guns that could evade metal detectors.

    Such a fucking sociopath. He can’t die soon enough.

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    WyldPirate says:

    I know. I was trying to be really generous. A noob could probably beat 6 seconds easily in a hour or two of practice/instruction and that is catching the empty mag.

    I know when I used to shoot my .45 and 9 mm a lot, I easily beat 4 sec. without trying to rush as it’s a 4 count move. I just didn’t practice to get it much to get faster as I didn’t like dinging up my mags and getting crud and grit all over them when they bounced on the ground.

    I’ve never had the stress of having someone popping caps at me or firing at someone. Odd positions and that stress can lead to lots of foul-ups without the muscle memory of lots of practice. I do have enough experience trying to jack extra rounds into a shotie to bang some more caps at ducks or jacking a bolt on a rifle to get another round off at a wounded deer before he got out of range to know how easy it is to fuck up when the adrenaline is going.

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    @gbear: Really? Which one? Label and suburb. I’m agog.

    I’m also going with #1 in answer to dengre’s question. “Fuck you” isn’t appropriate, obviously.

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    General Stuck says:

    CBS poll of Tucson shootings

    “Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?”

    The infamous 28 percenters pipe up right on cue, with a hearty “justified”

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    Buffalo Rude says:

    At what point can we start calling people who feel the need to carry a gun in polite society cowards?

    I was born into the privileged world of white male, middle class Christianity. I’ve since shed the religious part and have only recently returned to the “middle class”. The whiteness remains, as only Irish white can. I’ve also lived in somewhat dense urban areas where crime was not a stranger. In fact, two horrific murders took place within 500 feet of my old apartment while I lived there, my cars were broken into more than a few times (I stopped locking them, eventually) and one was even stolen. Oh, and I lived next to a flop house that doubled as a black market pharmacy. The scumbags and ner’ do wells of wing nut fantasies were my Goddamn neighbors. Yet I never once thought I needed a gun to protect myself.

    Buncha’ fuckin wimps, if you ask me.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Bnut: You’re probably thinking of something like this, which is about that length, but rarely by itself.

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    Nellcote says:

    new cover of The Stranger

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    Villago Delenda Est says:


    This is, in fact, a legitimate argument. The .223 caliber rounds (or NATO 5.56 mm round (minus military bullet design) really pack less wallop to them—and are illegal to hunt deer with in many states—than many higher caliber weapons that are commonly used to hunt whitetail deer ad other “big game” mammals.

    No serious, knowledgeable hunter (well, that excludes Sarah Palin, right there…) would use an AR-15 to hunt game. Precisely because the 5.56 round is designed to “tumble”…to enter the body, and to then richochet around inside, tearing things up. It’s really a very hideous sort of weapon, but then again, the entire idea of it being semi-auto is that tossing a bunch of rounds at the enemy encourages the soldier…they did a study after WWII that showed that the closer an infantryman was to a crew served weapon (a machine gun, for all you National Guard types), the more likely they were to fire their own bolt action rifles.

    All that noise is comforting in the terror of a firefight, somehow.

    You don’t want that in a round you’re planning to take down some 12 point buck with. It screws up the trophy and the venison.

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    Joel says:

    @WyldPirate: I agree completely. But you’ll have to forgive me from not wanting to spend any of my time there.

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    Lancelot Link says:

    Nothing like stamping part of a weapon with a statement howled at the President.
    At least they didn’t go with “sic semper tyrannis”.

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    b-psycho says:

    Should we read any meaning into it being purple?

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    Mr. Blink says:

    @General Stuck: It’s a pretty vague question. I mean, EVER justified? Sure, I can think of scenarios that would justify a revolution. Would it happen? Unlikely.

    I’m a democrat, but I also support the second amendment for good reason. But, as I am sure you were pointing out, democrats think it’s an unlikely scenario that we hope never happens, while republicans are just itching for a reason.

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    El Cid says:

    @GregB: This is worth quoting.

    Take it away, TeaTards:

    A nasty battle between factions of Legislative District 20 Republicans and fears that it could turn violent in the wake of what happened in Tucson on Saturday prompted District Chairman Anthony Miller and several others to resign. [Miller is African American.]
    Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family’s safety.
    In an e-mail sent a few hours after Saturday’s massacre in Tucson that killed six and injured 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Miller told state Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen he was quitting: “Today my wife of 20 yrs ask (sic) me do I think that my PCs (Precinct Committee members) will shoot at our home? So with this being said I am stepping down from LD20GOP Chairman…I will make a full statement on Monday.”

    I would like to repeat that question.

    “Do I think that my Precinct Committee members will shoot at our home?”

    They’re having to worry about the armed struggle among Precinct Committees?

    A couple of others said ‘fuck this shit’ too.

    The newly-elected Dist. 20 Republican secretary, Sophia Johnson of Ahwatukee, first vice chairman Roger Dickinson of Tempe and Jeff Kolb, the former district spokesman from Ahwatukee, also quit.
    “This singular focus on ‘getting’ Anthony (Miller) was one of the main reasons I chose to resign,” Kolb said in an e-mail to another party activist. Kolb confirmed the contents of the e-mail to the Republic.

    Among the issues in this vital struggle for power among the District 20 leadership positions was TeaTard hatred of Miller for his having supported John McCain, and also that Miller beat the TeaTard vanguard even after the endorsement of living godlike hero Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    Kolb said the Tea Party and associated conservative groups ran their slate of candidates for seven Dist. 20 leadership positions, winning three — the treasurer’s post and two vice-chairmanships. However, Miller beat challenger Thomas Morrissey for the top post after Sheriff Joe Arpaio made a personal appearance for Morrissey. Phone messages left for Morrissey were not returned.
    After the election and around the December holiday season, some of Miller’s detractors made an issue of the residency of Dickinson, the first vice-chairman. Dickinson, who did not return phone messages, was a supporter of Miller’s and allegedly moved to a different precinct within Dist. 20 last year, making him ineligible for the leadership post. Miller said he told the critics he would handle the matter after the holidays. In the meantime, a series of accusatory e-mails was exchanged among party members. Some blasted Miller’s support of McCain, called him a “McCainiac with a penchant for violating the rules” and a “McCain hack.”

    So we have Tea Party victory again: increase the level of offensive harassment and threats such that the enemy (i.e., anyone not sufficiently TeaTard enough for your sect) resigns and leaves.

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    rickstersherpa says:

    Having grown up outside Chicago, near to Skokie, I can assure you that the Confederate mindset is not limited to the South Carolina (although I guess I will always have a fond spot for Uncle Billy Sherman after his boys put Columbia to the torch – the Secesh wanted war, so Sherman decided to give them a bellyful of it.)

    It is amazing that in response to some rather mild remarks that folks should not be demonizing their enemies, the Right, from Bobo to Limbaugh, have gone absolutely zany about how they are “victims” of us terrible liberals for pointing out that violent rhetoric and intimidating behavior eventually begets actual violence.

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    rickstersherpa says:

    I also could not think about how this, like so much of the Conservative Movement, is “agitation” as a business model, a very successful business model that has made many of these individuals from Ailes to Coulter to Limbaugh in the media to Viguerire, Gillespie, Donahoe, and Rove in the political wing very rich.

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    Boxer says:

    @General Stuck:

    Use of the word “ever” makes it pretty easy to justify violently rising up against a government.

    I certainly wouldn’t be upset if people decided to violently rise up against a government which decreed that all people of a certain race must be exterminated, for example.

    So yeah, I think that has a lot to do with how thoughtlessly the question is asked rather than people’s real opinions of using violence to get their way in non-emergency situations.

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    Ding Ding says:

    @WyldPirate: Laws vary by state, but here in the liberal state of Oregon it isn’t particularly difficult to legally own a machine gun. Flame throwers and grenade launchers are also legal. Not kidding.

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    General Stuck says:


    It is the timing of when the question was asked, in the immediate aftermath of a grievous attack on a person symbolizing government. When most half way normal folk would likely be unwilling to say justified, regardless of how they might otherwise thoughtfully answer the question.

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    General Stuck says:


    Although, there is the factor that I never get tired of having no idea what I’m talking about.

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    somegayname says:

    @ogliberal: These are lowers, not machine guns (full auto). Civilian guns have always followed military development, since military was the driver for most firearms motivation. A lot of hunting rifles are sporterized garands, mausers, and other long arms of WWII. Spoterized usually just entails trimming the stock to reduce weight, tap for scope, and a couple other convenience/cosmetic changes. They function identically to military hardware circa 1942, with respect to the firing a bullet. I imagine at every point in history someone has wondered ‘why does any civilian need X’ where X = bolt action / lever action / revolver / any other drastic improvement in small arms.
    Please don’t let the form factor drive irrational policy decisions. Rifles are not evil simply b/c they are black polymer. AR form factor rifles are available in other calibers: 308 for hunting big game, 260 remington for varminting and long distance target shooting, for example. The AR form factor makes sense since – other than the component deemed the ‘gun’ by BATF – manufacturers can sell to civilian as well as military. For example, forward grips, lights, barrels, and shoulder stocks.
    Harping on magazine capacity is stupid as well. Most Glock owners own hi-cap magazines. They are range toys / conveniences. You want to spend most of your precious range time shooting, not reloading. You can load mags at home. Guns are a tool. Crazy people are lazy and will use the easiest tool at their disposal, which is usually a gun in our country. But don’t confuse yourself into believing banning mags will stop crazy. The virginia tech shooter did horrible damage with 10 round magazines, which were compliant with the Assault Weapons Ban.
    Violent crime began to decrease in 1993. The Assault Weapons Ban ran from 94-04. Violent crime decreased throughout this period. Violent crime continued to decrease after the ban expired. This suggests that the ban had no/negligible effect.

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    PWL says:

    ..He’ll probably say something like “Lock and load!”

    But how DARE we think such idiocy contributes to a political climate which results in loonies hunting down Democrats with a pistol and 30 rounds of ammunition….

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    Malovich says:

    @General Stuck:

    “Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?”

    The infamous 28 percenters pipe up right on cue, with a hearty “justified”

    It can be justified.

    It will definitely have Consequences.

    The the thing I think about every time this comes up is, ‘Is there any difference between a given violent action against the Government and a terrorist action?’.

    If there is an armed insurrection against the government that successfully overthrows it, what will be replacing it and is it any better? Because if it isn’t, it will just lead to another armed insurrection and so on ad infinitum.

    The more I think about this, the more it looks like the Balkinization of the US when extrapolated to an extreme. So it probably isn’t- just a cheap-ass strategy to get gun control advocates and liberuls in general to duck their heads while there’s a Democrat in office and Dem control of the Senate. Gorram politics.

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    Smedley says:

    Any body who has watched Hockey knows how that works. Body checking on the house floor…

    Go Sabres

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