The Dish in a Nutshell
Pretty much every complaint I have about the Daily Dish is summed up by the fact that Andrew thinks that TBOGG telling Bill Kristol to DIAF is so horrific that it deserves an award for ruining public discourse. TBogg, of course, is a blogger who says fuck, posts music and dog pictures, and makes fun of idiots, and Bill Kristol has spent the last thirty years agitating for policies that have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. It’s practically the same thing!
I’m proposing that pretty much every one do what I’m about to do, which is to suggest that I think we all agree the world would be a much better place if Bill Kristol was dead. Let’s give Sully so many nominations he doesn’t know what to do with them.
And I’m not even going to go into Sully’s false equivalence between the Moore nominees and the Malkin nominees. The Moore nominees are inhabited by people with no power whatsoever, bloggers, mostly, while the Malkin nominees are for the most part all professionals within the right-wing hierarchy. Get a grip, Sullivan. Digby suggested the right-wing is fomenting violence, and that’s too much for your delicate self, while most of your Malkin nominees are for… fomenting violence. Maybe Digby is on to something? You need to get a grip, especially since more than few of those folks would be ok with violence against you for simply being gay. If this isn’t a prime example of establishment “BOTH SIDES DO IT” bullshit, I don’t know what is.
You obviously just don’t understand. Wishing that Kristol should die in a fire and suggesting that people need to adopt Second Amendment solutions when elections don’t go their way are exactly the same thing.
OT: Tunch sighting?
If Bill Kristol were the lead character in “It’s a Wonderful Life,” the angel would’ve pushed him off the bridge himself. And then he would’ve thrown a Buick on top of Bill to be sure he was dead.
Well, specifically, TBogg didn’t wish for Kristol to die in a fire. Did he? I know he more or less told him to “die you evil piece of shit,” and better yet, very politely invited Kristol to eat a bag of salted dicks.
Which given the subject, I thought was going above and beyond in terms of civility.
Dear Sully,
I didn’t write this comment holding a gun or a pie, this time.
@Jennifer:
Kristol can go DIAF while munching on a bag of salted green donkey dicks.
@: John Cole:
Can your New Year’s Res be to quit Sully? ;-)
Alright, alright: I really do hope Kristol joins his father in hell soon. The sooner the better. And Erickson. And Malkin. And O’Reilly. And Hannity. And Palin. And Rove. And Cheney. And…
Uh oh. I’ve got to stop now. I’ve got wood…
Rally to restore sanity-ism, hoowah!
Kristol should not die in a fire, no. He should be cast into the fire pits of something really fiery (since I don’t actually believe in hell) which allows his skin to burn to a crisp but doesn’t kill him. Then, just when he can’t take it any longer, his skin should regenerate itself in time for the process to start all over again. Like Prometheus and his liver. This needs to happen for every lie he’s told.
Clearly it would be better to wish Kristol would learn from past mistakes and take responsible positions from now on than to die a fiery death.
Fuck that, there’s a better chance of the Buffalo Bills winning the Super Bowl in my lifetime. Let’s just hope Billy boy is careless with matches around a leaky gas stove.
Ironically, Kristol is a big fag basher.
I’d like to nominate commenter freelancer for something for referring to Sully as the “world’s most whiplashed bear.”
That still kinda cracks me up days later.
Death by immolation is far too lenient a sentence for Bill Kristol. You have to go to fictional punishments, like being slowly digested in the belly of the Sarlacc for a thousand years or consigned to an incorporeal state within Phantom Zone for all eternity, to bring about anything remotely resembling karmic balance.
So… yeah… what do I win?
The TBogg item that someone’s panties are all a-twist over is pretty straightforward, & more or less repeats Sullivan’s recently-located anti-torture & whatnot rhetoric, except, unlike Sully, Bogg manages to be amusing while indignant.
Only “violence” or vitriol on the part of TB is the title, “Bill Kristol Is Invited to Eat A Bag Of Salted Dicks,” & the last sentence,
Did the “bag of dicks” line offend Randy Andy, or was it the sheer utter un-seriousness of calling someone an “evil piece of shit” w/o attaching a bunch of Catholic sanctimony & self-righteousness to it, as Sullivan would?
So does this mean this blog will stop linking Sully?
He’s not the worst guy in the world, but Christ, there are about 89,000,000 people who are smarter than he is just in this country. Actually, more than that, cause most of us have realized that conservatism is really about rich people getting ever richer, AND NOT A HELL OF A LOT ELSE.
by the way, digya know kristol is midget.
http://tinyurl.com/2cxmbhn
I know I shouldn’t laugh, but dwarfs are hilarious.
O.T.
More hippie-punching from Obama.
Before leaving for vacation, he got into a finger-pointing shouting match with so-called “leading” bloggers.
http://tinyurl.com/2g7hmpu
Sullivan can shove copies of Orwell essays up his ass.
Bill Kristol on the other hand, deserves to be pistol-whipped by a paraplegic Iraq war veteran.
But what does Sullivan think of all this?
It’s not just that Dishy Andy is often wrong. He’s also often dishonest and knows better. I used to read W.F. Buckley even though I disagreed with him most of the time. He was honest about a point of view that I didn’t share. Sully just seems to be making shit up without regard for consistency and logic.
@Ross Hershberger:
He uses consistency in his sanctimony.
C’mon, people, just this once go visit Sullivan, whose “election” summary says (and I quote, with emphasis added): “Vote early. Vote often.” TBogg has a sporting chance of catching the current leader, Keith Olbermann. Just sayin’.
@Jewish Steel
found it for you, but if I may be so bold, I think this is my comment of the year, and I claim this thread to be mine. All mine.
I suspect the world would be much better if Irving Kristol had been illiterate. Oh, and gay, why not.
If only we lived in a world where Digby had as much influence as Glenn Reynolds.
I stopped reading Sullivan a few months back. I think the regular links to McArdle finally pushed me over the edge. Don’t miss it a bit.
@TR:
Comment 3 was funny.
I was surprised at Andrew’s nominations too, and am wondering if maybe the puppies babysitting his blog handled them this year?
Daily Dish used to be my go to site, and it’s how I found Balloon Juice. (Also that college student’s great 2004 blog, johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhim anyway. Kid took it down, but it was great.)
I check the Dish less and less these days. Think Andrew and David Brooks both suffer for being intelligent and sentient beings trying to remain Republicans, although Andrew at least tells the truth way more often. (Bobo is a lost cause, sadly.)
Bill Kristol should just suffer ignominy. That he’s not says what you need to about our chattering and false equivocating class.
@PS: TBogg deserves some kind of award for calling Kristol out, I think. I’m voting as often as I can.
my day is better spent not reading the daily dish
meanwhile, continuing: planned kaos, the better to steal
http://www.reuters.com/article.....I720101027
Seriously, though: Sullivan is awesome. He should have nowhere near the readership he has–which is a fluke of history and timing when “Teh Blog” first came about. And he was horribly wrong about one giant thing; still, I will keep reading his blog daily. This is how the blog bounces.
So, Sully returns to his roots and once again demonstrates that he’s a pseudo-intellectual morally bankrupt insufferable asshole?
Yep, no one could have predicted that happening.
@Ross Hershberger:
I’m sure Sully doesn’t lie – he’s just too narcissistic and unreflective to realize that his wild enthusiasms are frequently at odds with reality. His nonsense is more a cause for pity than for contempt, although still more a cause for ignoring him.
Andrew Sullivan has some deeply fucked up priorities.
Okay John, I understand your point. That I no longer embrace it is because I’ve heard similar arguments 10,000 times in the last 15 or so years so that I no longer embrace the argument since I have observed over the years that it doesn’t hold water. But I do understand the argument.
Fifteen years ago, when the r’twingers would yell DIAF, liberals (including myself) would be flabbergasted, we’d condemn the epithet and say that the r’twingers should be burned badly so they’d know how it feels. So over the years they’ve upped their rhetoric and we’ve upped the virulence of our responses so that now when we yell DIAF or something even more mindlessly, violently antagonistic we defend it with “Well they’ve said worse” … aka the “false equivalence” euphemism that masks a defense of knee-jerkery and massive shortsightedness on the part of liberals.
With epithets like “DIAF” and the invective that is produced regularly at GOS we show clearly that we can’t control the political poker game. We can only react to the style of poker the r’twingers are playing. And when a pragmatic liberal cardsharp starts playing a different form of poker that boggles the minds of the r’twingers, the less adept at the game on our side is incensed that the game changed because they don’t understand the completely different style of game that is being played.
In short, I agree with Sully. That Kristol and Malkin are prime examples of the many despicable bomb throwers, name-callers, dissemblers and character assassins on the right side of the political spectrum doesn’t lessen the necessity of chiding the bomb throwers et al on our side to see that that is a losing game.
The game changed.
(I can’t believe I wrote a sentence that said: “I agree with Sully”. I’m still shaking my head.I never thought I could utter a sentence with those words.)
@Sly: Fictional punishments? Here’s one from a Philip K. Dickensian re-imagining of Dante’s Inferno.
something like that, there.
This sort of rant is typical of the Far Left.
It is also, of course, excellent news for John McCain.
Sully has more than his share of faults, but I still enjoy the blog. It’s probably how I found BJ. When he’s right, he’s great. When he’s wrong, which is often, he’s usually wrong for the worst possible reason. I give him credit for being able to admit he’s been wrong on something. I just wish he’d do it a lot more often, because he’s wrong on lots of things. I don’t find him particularly insightful. On some things, like abortion, he has to be hit over the head a few times before he begins to see there might be another side to the issue. On the other hand, once he ‘gets it’, he really gets it. I have to give him that. Oh yeah, and he’s a really good writer.
(I added the bit about being a good writer when I remembered he reads this blog. Wouldn’t want to hurt his feelings.)
Kristol is a reckless, warmongering monster. However, if he was in fact instrumental in John McCain agreeing to have Sarah Palin as his running mate — thus scuttling McCain’s chances for election — the entire nation just might actually owe him a debt of gratitude for that much. But he doesn’t need to know that.
The most absurd and hilarious thing Sully does is when he talks disparagingly about “the Village” and conventional wisdom and shit like that.
It’s an example of the awe-inspiring lack of self-awareness that is the central defining characteristic of Villagers.
Good thing I don’t and don’t have to read Mr. Fifth Columnist’s crap, given that anything which I’m likely to encounter being discussed will be introduced by those bloggers who do care about it.
@freelancer:
Ah yes, the McMegan cut. A cruel one. I remember that.
I missed your matoko chan spoof. That’s some good shit.
Fine. You’ve made your case. You win my award. The Steel Yarmulke. I recommend you forebear to wear it until the weather warms up. Unless you are blessed, as I am, with a fluffy and protective isro.
@Jewish Steel:
Sadly, I just have a tuque or as they say here in Omaha, a knit cap. Mazel Tov!
I saw this after TBogg took it as a badge of honor over at his place, and I couldn’t even get outraged. Sully’s picture is in the dictionary next to the phrase “false consciousness,” and you have to remember that when dealing with him, even when he gets stuff right (torture, e.g.) he remains someone so thoroughly at odds with himself that you know each moment of lucidity is going to be followed by thirty minutes of grimaces, belches and repeated bashing of the right side of his head with an old boot.
To be pitied, really.
@Punchy:
Win.
I read this thread just to see if you would say this.
@Glinda:
This would be my counterargument:
Kristol is a nationally published opinion columnist and author who is extremely influential in the Republican Party. He is often given credit for pushing Sarah Palin as vice president for McCain.
Malkin is a published author and former columnist.
Tbogg is some guy with a website. And a couple of basset hounds.
You can’t really compare the reach of someone with a publishing contract and a newspaper column with some guy with a website.
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century):
You slay me, man.
@DougJ:
It’s Punchy’s goto joke, but it’s still solid.
@freelancer:
He misses too many opportunities to do it in posts that are about Sullivan.
@Mnemosyne:
Seems to me he also played a big role in promoting Cheney as the resident ‘grown up’ in the early Bush II years, and all the PNAC/Iraq joy that came with them. That may have been the peak of his influence, between Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin.
@Glinda:
Yeah, because logic and reason has worked so well when dealing with the right wing.
By the way, did anything click with you when you cited Kristol and Malkin as examples of right-wing pundits, and a blogger named “TBogg” as an example of a left-wing pundit? Notice anything odd about that comparison?
@Punchy:
He’s gonna change the color of his blog to show solidarity with Kristol. Know dope.
John McCain agreeing to have Sarah Palin as his running mate—thus scuttling McCain’s chances for election
McCain was heading for a loss well before Palin. You could argue that adding her got him enough wingnut cred to make the margin a little less embarrassing for him, but there was no way at all that the incumbent party was about to retain the White House in the midst of a huge economic meltdown, so I don’t think she made that much difference one way or the other.
OTOH if the economy hasn’t turned around by 2012 the goopers could win even with Carabou Barbie or Boss Hogg. People vote based on the incumbent party’s record (especially economic) and not much else.
There’s DIAF and there’s DIAF. I mean wouldn’t it be better if he were to be lighting the match himself rather than the fire sort of accidentally happening in his home or at his girlfriend’s condo balcony while he’s grilling red meat slabs for his buds? I’d like to see him do it on the steps of the Capitol while on the other side of the building BHO is being inaugurated for his second term, Kristol sitting cross legged like the Vietnam monks, burning to a charcoal briquette white everyone runs around looking for a pail of water to throw on him.
Oh, now, perhaps I’ve gone too far.
@mr. whipple:
Fixed.
OT, but Elton John is a dad. New baby Zachary born via surrogate on Christmas Day.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....hn.html?hp
Now that’s something for Sully to celebrate.
I only wish Sully would die so BJ would stop wasting electrons on him.
Dish with Sammich: Thread needs a snack.
@srv:
That’s a “Moore” award if I ever heard one.
@Glinda:
Maybe I’m just tired, but I couldn’t make heads or tails of your post. Did you write that pointing to one of the most evil people in America, laying out the case of how he is such an evil shithead, and then reacting with the only reasonable feeling (utter disgust) is anything like the Reich Wingers who say in all seriousness that they want to murder their political opponents?
Is that terribly false equivalence the point you are making? Because I’m really not sure; your post, with its confusing convoluted grammar, did not make a lot of sense to me. So if I misunderstood your point, I’ll be happy to take back the following paragraph:
That is utterly ridiculous. If you were to read the TBOGG post in question, you’ll see that he didn’t declare his desire or intention to kill Kristol personally. And really, when you’re dealing with someone who would probably make Stalin nod with appreciation, what could be more appropriate than dismissing him as a worthless human being?
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century): Bonus for using a pic with Grandma Robinson, who seems awesome, and who we don’t see a lot of.
John Cole @ Top:
I agree. The world would probably be a better place if Kristol would Die In A Fire. Or in way whatsoever. I’m really not that fussy about the mechanism.
But why stop there? If we want to get Sully’s attention, we can’t stop at just agreeing with TBogg, can we? Don’t we need to up the ante?
In that spirit, I propose we add Sam Alito and John Roberts to the list of people who could vastly improve the state of the world by expiring in timely manner.
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@JGabriel:
Cheney gets my nod for a creative flame out.
Tbogg has a problem with sex and women. It’s painful to read his stuff. I stay away from him.
Has anyone seen Kenneth? He left his bot on in a lower thread, and it’s getting a little worn down.
Erm, well, bassett rulz ovah beagles, so there’s that.
Is it possible to wish evil of any kind upon Herr Kristol that he wouldn’t deserve? I’m guessing, No.
Bogg:1, Sully:0
@John – A Motley Moose:
Well gee, what a ringing fucking endorsement that is.
Conservadems kill me. There is no prize for “responsible political citizenship.” It is no virtue to spend time on the thoughts of somebody who is “often wrong” and not “particularly insightful” just to show off your centrist bonafides. It’s just dumb and masturbatory.
Oh, but he’s against torture, which apparently counts for a lot these days…
@Tattoosydney: I am not sure if I should applaud you or suggest that you talk to a doctor. Probably both.
@ulee:
Boy are you misreading his stuff. I think Mr. Bogg takes issue with people (mostly men) that have issues with sex and/or women.
@MattR:
I suspect you’re right. I’ll get tired of it eventually, but it’s fun pointing out what a bad (read, unentertaining) troll Kenneth is.
Hey, warmongers gotta stick together. Turn the blog green or something.
@John – A Motley Moose: __
Y’know, I really don’t think he does. I think one or more of his underbloggers is tasked with reading BJ and bringing to Andrew’s attention anything here that Sully might consider “important”. Same for a number of other other-than-A-list blogs… such as, for instance, TBogg‘s.
The inconsistancy of “Sullivan’s”, i.e., the Daily Dish‘s, response to other blogs seems to me less about his personal emotional lability (great as that might be) than a problem where Andrew’s blog-reading minions have varying interpretations of what is/should be important to Andrew Sullivan, World’s Most Prominent Political Blogger.
This is where I remind everyone that Sullivan’s credited underbloggers are notoriously less intelligent, less well-read, and worse writers than Himself. Of course, a truly gifted Thot Leader would pick high-quality minions, but that’s an argument for another day.
@MattR: He’s married to a doctor, does that help?
@Tattoosydney: Hi hon. I saw wifey had an adventurous day on teh blogosphere. How goes your holiday?
@Yutsano: Depends on if its the right kind of doctor. For example, I don’t think that a podiatrist would be all that helpful.
@Ash Can: __
Alternately, it could be argued that just foisting the Wasilla Grifter on the rest of us is sufficient reason to wish Bill Kristal to FOAD, preferably IAF.
Me, I haven’t forgiven the sunuvabetch for Dan Quayle, much less every horror he’s committed since then.
Bear in mind Sullivan’s history.
Sullivan started out as a gaycatholictory, better at marketing himself than writing anything truly thoughtful. Since elites are right wing on economic issues but lean left on cultural issues, he was very popular. Bullshit sounds better with a British accent.
As editor of the New Republic, his major accomplishments included allowing Betsy McCaughey to libel the Clinton health care plan and granting space and credibility to Charles Murray’s “Bell Curve.” It’s not so much that he gave space to conservatives – it’s that he gave aid and comfort to racists and liars. Later, when Bush the Younger became President, Sully praised Bush’s tax plan in the hopes that it would shrink government. He wasn’t worried how much that might hurt ordinary Americans.
Following 9/11, he made dark predictions about the menace of a left wing fifth column and looked to heartland America as the true patriots. He later revealed that he lived in Manhattan and Dupont Circle his whole time in the United States and didn’t even have a driver’s license. So he spurned the Americans who welcomed him and made his life here possible while idealizing Americans he knew nothing about – many of whom frankly despised him.
Yes, he came out against torture and the war – years after many other had and without a true mea culpa. Yes he’s a staunch liberal when his own ox is gored. However, his politics basically boil down to everyone else looking out for Sully’s wants and needs while Sully doesn’t have to lift a finger for anyone else. If he was a courtesan, style and pretty speech would be all he needed. But we should expect more from a political actor.
freelancer–I may be missing Tbogg’s irony but I don’t think so. He is a lousy and angry writer. Give me Amanda Marcotte. She is a genuine and open person. Tbogg–yuck.
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Anytime 3-10 years ago, sure. Now? The damage Cheney can do is much more limited. Not that I’d mind a creative flame-out from Cheney. I just don’t think it would really help that much anymore. Cheney has already done the bulk of his damage.
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@Anne Laurie:
I could swear my site was on the Dish Intern RSS feed for a little bit, because over about the span of 9 months, days after I would discover something and post on it, it would appear online on the frontpage of the Atlantic. Here’s the kicker, at the at least 4 times I noticed the trend, it wasn’t in regard to something viral that ended up everywhere, it was something I found due to very niche interests. I have emails to my co-blogger that are just kind of “Huh, get this. Also, our site is crashed, what do you make of that?” He, at first, was like, oh everybody is on this, but not after the third timeframe.
@MattR: Neurosurgeon IIRC. A brain doctor and a lawyer. How Noo Yahk can you get?
(Except, of course, they’re Australian.)
@Anne Laurie:
I could swear my site was on the Dish Intern RSS feed for a little bit, because over about the span of 9 months, days after I would discover something and post on it, it would appear online on the frontpage of the Atlantic. Here’s the kicker, at the at least 4 times I noticed the trend, it wasn’t in regard to something viral that ended up everywhere, it was something I found due to very niche interests. I have emails to my co-blogger that are just kind of “Huh, get this. Also, our site is crashed, what do you make of that?” He, at first, was like, oh everybody is on this, but not after the third timeframe.
@jeffreyw: I love the subhead, “Too much?” As Mae West said, too much of a good thing can be wonderful.
@Yutsano: FH#1 cheered me up with his trolling of the Kenneth-bot in the thread below. How you be?
@DW: I agree with every word here. Sully is as Sully does. That’s the most frustrating thing about him. If it isn’t about him in some way, then it doesn’t interest him.
And, my soothing song for the evening.
@fraught: __
Fixed that for ya.
Ah, c’mon, someone hadda do it.
@Anne Laurie: I woulda gone for kerosene. Makes for a prettier fire.
@asiangrrlMN: I read the trolling and was laughing so hard I scared the kitteh. Right after she turned into a total snugglebug. She’s never done that before.
Just a long ass day. Had to get up early to drop off rental car. Tomorrow not so much. :)
@ulee: As Miss Manners would say: How nice for you.
When Sullivan is being wry or arch or coy if I could reach through the internet and choke the life out of him, I would do it.
Consigning malefactors to the fire is too hands off for my taste.
@Anne Laurie: Now that I’ve seen that Gallup has her running number two to Romney for GOP presidential nominee, I’ll be watching closely to see just what kind of damage she can do to the GOP. If she can cause some significant factional breakage, as odious as she is, she could be useful yet, and maybe even turn out to be a net positive over the long run.
@Yutsano: So, you get to guffaw and have kitteh snuggle? Sounds like a win-win situation to me! Glad your tomorrow is not as busy as you today.
@Anne Laurie: I’m kind of partial to a good Southern “bless your heart”. No one says fuck you like a Mississippi sorority girl.
@asiangrrlMN: Tomorrow will be bettah all around. I’m thinking I’ll get to spend all day telling folks they’re ungestuppt until after the New Year. Should be good times. Plus I got to be a misanthrope for the last two hours of my shift. Awesomeness.
@Yutsano: Brain doctor sounds useful, though a surgeon’s knife may be a bit too blunt an instrument :)
(EDIT: dickhead)
Anne Laurie–As Miss Manners would say–Be vague dear. It’s becoming of you.
@Anne Laurie:
Two backhands clapping for that one.
@ulee: __
… who, some people say, has had her sarcasm organ surgically removed. She is a good and very dogged reporter, and her opinions as a leftist and a feminist are as unimpeachable as is possible within the ever-impeachable constraints of modern American Leftist-Feminism. But she does attract a chorus from among the humor-impaired, bless her heart.
@Yutsano: I can’t see you as a misanthrope–not really. Gleefully and impishly playing pranks? Yes.
@MattR: Dickhead may be the new cudlip.
@Yutsano: Yes. Cudlip is much more gender-neutral.
@asiangrrlMN: Dickhead.
It does have the roll off the tongue feel, but it feels strange applying it to females.
@asiangrrlMN:
Dickhead may be the new cudlip.
And so much more usable.
@freelancer: __
Hee! If my google-fu were stronger and my laziness less, I would link to the great Cook’s Magazine fooferaw where it was explained that “everything on the internet is understood to be copyright-free”, and also “you should be grateful to the Dishlings for improving your less-than-perfect articles”…
@Anne Laurie:
OK now you’re just showing off.
@asiangrrlMN: I was hoping to eventually combine them into one word. I am leaning towards dicklip over cudhead.
@Anne Laurie: Oh god that was funny/sad. I was following that in semi realtime and of course I lost interest/forgot all about it so I never found out if there were any serious consequences (other than internet marketing)
@asiangrrlMN: Cudlipped dickhead, perhaps?
@Ruckus: Although, cudlip still sends me into peals of laughter, especially when followed by, “Everything is WAI?”
@MattR: Yes, the former is funnier than the latter by far.
ETA: Maybe someone could do a dickhead/cudlip mash-up–with auto-tune.
@asiangrrlMN: I actually missed the exact cudlip thing, but it came from the fake Asian chick so I’m not really missing much. I don’t think anyway.
@MattR: Dicklip seems oddly biased against the uncircumsized.
@MattR:
Geez. What kind of Freudian slip is that. I meant internet mocking. Which y’all may now commence.
@Elizabelle:
You link to a baby story that doesn’t have a picture of said baby?
That’s just mean.
@Ruckus: I had five younger siblings. Never have been able to shake the urge to inculcate, however many repetitions required.
Our esteemed bloghost was an eldest, too. I knew that even before he confessed, just from the style of this blog!
@Yutsano: Apparently, mc was throwing cudlip around at people, along with telling them everything is WAI or something. I missed it, too, but it still cracks me up. Snicker.
@Anne Laurie: Yeah. That woman was a real piece of work. I’m glad she got exposed, but, sadly, there are plenty other like her.
@MattR: That sounds like a good name for a punk band!
@asiangrrlMN:
I think I broke the troll. Can I get a new one?
@asiangrrlMN: Speaking of which, I think FH #1 needs a towel. And a shower. And most likely a good ciggy too.
@Tattoosydney: Two (or is it three for you) days after XMas and already you broke your toy.
@ulee: wtf? dum da dum dum
@ulee: wtf? dum da dum dum
@Tattoosydney: Only if you promise to break the new one as well.
ETA: No kidding. Toys should not be that repetitive. No replay value.
@Yutsano: No kidding. He was getting waaaay too excited in that thread.
@MattR: That’s why I kept the receipt.
Remember when Sullivan wrote this thinly disguised love letter to George Bush? Surely there’s an award for that.
I picture Sullivan writing this flowery sentimental rubbish in calligraphy with a quill pen. He’s that in love with himself.
@asiangrrlMN:
I promise. That one was faulty anyway.
greenhouse guy–You are a good writer. Excellant communication skills!
@Lesley: Holy shit. I hadn’t read that the first time around. Man–just…man. Yeah.
@Tattoosydney: I will give you m_c. Will that make you happy?
@Tattoosydney: You make for me, and I will give you the biggest, bestest troll evah–the original Brick Oven Bill.
@Yutsano:
And all while making white peach ice cream, I might add.
@asiangrrlMN: Wow. I couldn’t even skim that, it was so horrible. Why the fuck does anyone take Sully seriously again?
@Tattoosydney: It may have to come out of your allowance this time.
EDIT: never mind. A bowl of that ice cream will do just nicely. :)
@Yutsano: Dunno. I don’t, so I can’t answer that.
Wait, FH#1 conned you into giving him an allowance? I had taken it away from him! Man, he’s good.
@asiangrrlMN:
Never quite made the cudlip love train.
And anyway dickhead fits in with my level of disgust about big chunks of politics and conservatives in general.
@Yutsano:
Dicklip seems oddly biased against the uncircumsized.
Still it’s in the same general area of both insults and biology.
Sullivan’s ridiculous awards are exhibit A demonstrating that he actually is an old-time small-c conservative. They are steeped in contempt for democracy and the petty, ignorant people and their selfish interests. He believes that the better sort, if they could just cut through the idiotic prattling of the rabble, could effectively guide our nation into A New and Glorious Era of Reasonable and Enlightened Glory. His occasional concessions to populism are simply the noblesse oblige of a want-to-be aristocrat. Thus follows, despite his occasional criticism of Broderesque types, his whole-hearted embrace of centrist horseshit and his “contrarianism” (as long as the contrarian positions taken involve screwing the poor/reducing democratic liberties).
@Ruckus: It also has a nice fratboyish feel without the booze and the cliquishness. Not that I want to raise that specter with JC lurking about.
@asiangrrlMN: There was a conversation about splitting cooking duties and wine and I think I got verschnickered and all the while I was agreeing to $20 a day. American dollars too mind you. I blame the pastry.
@Yutsano:
So it’s settled then. Dicklips it is.
This outlandish leftscist attack on Mr. Kristhole is outrageous. How dare anyone set him on fire and leave him to burn.
How inhuman. I would humanely offer to douse the fire with contents of a thousand colostomy bags.
Think of the children and their trust funds.
@asiangrrlMN:
@Yutsano:
I baked a ham too.
@Ruckus: Maybe it’s the sheer stupidity of cudlip that has me snickering. I don’t know. I would agree with you, however, that dickhead is better for the political shenanigans that abound.
@Yutsano: Well, as long as you both feed me, I’m fine with it.
@GregB: Ew. And, heh. At the same time. Nicely done.
@asiangrrlMN:
Urgh. No thanks. That one scares me.
Anne Laurie–In your dreams you can write like Amanda Marcotte. Humor deficit? Go home and get your shinebox, girl.
@Yutsano:
Eh. Have you seen the exchange rate recently?
@Tattoosydney: I know. But, I would love to see you make her splutter incoherently (more so than ever). I think you could do it.
@Tattoosydney: No. What is it now?
@ulee: I am now making popcorn. Things just done got exciting around here!
@asiangrrlMN: Honey or maple glaze? A brown sugar/whiskey crust is also acceptable.
@Yutsano:
Nah. Humble city general practitioner and an almost ex-lawyer. Sounds much less impressive that way.
@asiangrrlMN:
You stopped in to see Homer? You poor homer deprived thing you! Here he stars in the show!
@GregB:
That’s what I’m talking about.
But how long do should one wait to douse a roasting pig?
And can I stand back or 30 or 40 feet to throw the bags?
I don’t mind handling the bags, it’s the back splash with the whiff of smoke that annoys me.
@asiangrrlMN:
No. What is it now?
@jeffreyw: Yes! I needed some of that cutie kitten to soothe me. I love the slide show. I love Homer. He always, always, ALWAYS makes me feel better. Thanks! Give him a scritch for me, will ya? And a smooch on the little spot on his head.
@Yutsano: Yes.
@Tattoosydney: So, basically even. Good to know.
For those who both hate Sullivan and have nothing better to do, here is his classic “Ode to Testosterone” article.
@Yutsano:
Half an hour to an hour in oven at 180 degrees C, basting with Guinness every fifteen minutes. Then cut the fat and rub in/on about a cup or more of raw sugar mixed with cardamom, ground ginger, dijon mustard and just enough stout to dampen the sugar, and leave in the oven for another half an hour. Baste with some more Guinness in the last ten minutes when the sugar has melted a bit. Best ham ever.
@Tattoosydney: Oh. Mah. Gravy. I just had a culinary orgasm and I’m an ocean away from that lusciousness. Mostly due to my love of all things cardamom.
@asiangrrlMN: This makes me wonder if we’re close to Canadian parity too. Or if they’ve passed us up for awhile yet.
@Mnemosyne: Nope. Now liberals want to throw away nuance and context. Both sides are equally as bad!!!!!!!!!!
Glinda,
If you think someone who literally has helped kill soldiers and Iraqis is just as bad as someone who utters the all too human wish that someone fuck off and die you need your moral compass recalibrated.
FYWP, do not have permission, my ass.
@jeffreyw: I could watch Homer 24/7. Is Bea more accepting of him now?
@Tattoosydney: I luuuurves you. Marry me?
It’s been nice tonight, rare early day tomorrow so off I go.
Be sure and tip the wait staff and turn out the lights on your way.
@Anne Laurie:
Wasn’t that also followed up with “Lighten up, Francis?”
@asiangrrlMN: Wait what? I done gotta pay for another wedding? To a man you done already fake-married? Sheesh. I’d better put in for my step increase here soon.
@PeakVT: Gah. I hate you for posting that, and I hate me for reading it. I need the brain bleach, stat!
ETA: Seriously. He can inject all the testosterone he wants (and I see it was written ten years ago). Why does he have to write 9 pages of shit to justify it?
Update Infinity and Beyond: 7 pages of shit. 2 pages of somewhat useful information.
@Ruckus: Night!
@Yutsano: Open up your wallet. This one is gonna be fancy-schmancy!
@asiangrrlMN:
Considering it used to be about 51 cents, it’s good for me and Amazon not so good for our tourism industry.
@asiangrrlMN:
OK. I thought we were already fake-hitched?
ETA: Oh, I get it. This is about the reception. Baked ham and white peach ice cream for 250 people it is. Yutsy, how are your credit cards holding out?
@Tattoosydney: Heh. So your country not so happy about it, but you personally are joyous.
@Tattoosydney: We are. I just want to renew our vows. Yutsy’s paying! He’s ebil gubmint worker. He can afford it.
@asiangrrlMN: @Tattoosydney: Okay fine. But I get to pick the locale. Yer getting married here. Samkitteh can be the ring bearer and Bean the flower girl. Jeffreyw will cater.
As far as getting shtuff: I r good at finding things wholesale or bulk without sacrificing quality.
@asiangrrlMN:
We are having a significant debate here because people are buying so much from overseas internet vendors (although Bookdepository is much cheaper for us (no freight charges anywhere in the world!), that our large local retailers are complaining that they can’t sell their imported product cheaply enough and are losing sales hand over fist, and therefore online sales from overseas should be subject to Australian goods and services tax.
The general response of the Australian public has been “tough titty”.
@asiangrrlMN: Sigh. You’re gonna just hold that over my noggin like a piece of mistletoe aren’t you? Well, to be honest, I don’t have much better to spend my money on. I blew a nice wad at Christmastime however.
@Yutsano: Vancouver. I’m down with that. I like your plan re: SamKitten and Bean. Mia can just look adorable. jeffreyw. catering? I’m so there. I leave all the arrangements in your capable hands.
@Tattoosydney: I like the response of the Aussie public. I wish we could be so unified here. I want this for my wedding ring. Yutsy will pay for it.
@Yutsano: I didn’t know the Dawg was back in town! (Carefully reread what you wrote)
Gah! Fuck you Word Press!
@Yutsano: Vancouver. I’m down with that. I like your plan re: SamKitten and Bean. Mia can just look adorable. jeffreyw. catering? I’m so there. I leave all the arrangements in your capable hands.
@Tattoosydney: I like the response of the Aussie public. I wish we could be so unified here. I want this for my wedding ring. Yutsy will pay for it.
Part Deux:
@Yutsano: I didn’t know the Dawg was back in town! (Carefully reread what you wrote)
@asiangrrlMN: The term you are looking for is low hanging curveball. I was aware you would pick up on that subtlety. You also know if he was…I wouldn’t be posting right now. :)
And BTW I haven’t even dressed the two of you yet.
@Yutsano:
As long as we can honeymoon here. That will be ok, won’t it?
@asiangrrlMN:
It’s… um, nice. A little … organic for my taste. I like Tiffany. Platinum. Don’t want to break the set.
@Tattoosydney: I’ll do some Internet checking and see how much a honeymoon suite is there. It would be rather smashing wouldn’t it?
Ham.
@Tattoosydney: NOM!! WANT!!
Whyfore the WordPress hates me so much it won’t even put my comments in moderation? Let’s try it without links.
@Yutsano: Yes, I know you would not be here if the Dawg were in town. And, my dress will be red and/or black. Warm. Because we will marry in winter, oh, don’t think we won’t. And, we’re going to Quebec for the honeymoon so we can stay in the ice hotel.
@Tattoosydney: Yutsy said he would buy it for me. So, you can get me the Tiffany platinum one. Pic? Your ham is making me cry. Time for dinner.
Bad dress. No want this one. Looks like Mrs. Santa Claus.
@asiangrrlMN: Was thinking more along these lines, but agree on the red or black. Or both.
Hm. So the good dress link is a bad link. Here is another that is acceptable.
@Bob Loblaw: Now I’m a conservadem? Bwahahahaha! Tell that to anyone that knows me and see how hard they laugh at the idea of me as a conservadem. You are one funny dude.
@John – A Motley Moose: Meh. Bob thinks he’s the purest of the pure. I wouldn’t put too much stock in anything he says.
@Yutsano: Ah. You like the Victorian look. It’s nice. Has to have long sleeves, though. I like the top hat. What keywords are you using?
Gothic. I’m seeing Gothic.
Or this one. (Not really. I just adore Dita Von Teese).
@John – A Motley Moose: Eh. You not a conservadem. Pay him no mind.
@asiangrrlMN: black wedding dresses. One of the first images that pops up.
And as much fun as this is, gotta snooze. See y’all on the morrow.
@Yutsano: Night! I’m outie, too. Night, all.
ETA: I knew I had seen it before!
@Yutsano:
It’s one of my favourite cities. Pretty. Much beer and wine, many pretty Portugese people.
@asiangrrlMN:
I like the first one. Pair it with a whip and you could be dominatrix Santa.
@asiangrrlMN: Well, I did knock Greenwald in that other thread and I damned Sully with faint praise, so I guess I’m right there with Jim Baucus. What I really am is a socialist with some social libertarian leanings.
@Yutsano: I noticed Bob’s slant on things quite awhile ago. Believe me when I say I don’t take anything he says very seriously.
@Cole
wallah.
except Sully linking Douthat and McMegan is EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME as you giving Kain an FP slot.
@Mike Kay (Democrat of the Century): LOL. Nice.
If Sullivan doesn’t clutch his pearls and retire to the swooning couch at least once a week, he’ll shrivel up and die.
That is all.
and yet people wondered why I suggested the gigantic fop should be ignored. His rare interesting posts are not worth the ton of horse shit you have to wade through to get them.
But what about the other “awards?” Where’s the Shut Up And Blog Award for pretentious posters pretending that colorizing their blog banner in green will affect sputtering rebellions on the other side of the planet? How about a Fifth Column Award for authoritarian Catholics encouraging public discourse by inviting Americans who disagree with their Republican president to a new inquisition? There is a glaring omission of the Math Using Imaginary Numbers Award for anything Megan McArdle has written. Which, of course, leads to the Corporate Butt-Kiss Award for any obligatory link to the math-challenged colleague and social-promotion poster child, Megan McArdle. And naturally, an Inane Fourth-Grade Level Nyah-Nyah List Award for the Dish’s inane lists.
For the record, I agree that the world would be a much better place if Bill Kristol had spent the last 20 years on Pluto – With only a bag of salted dicks.
I like Sully. I found you guys on his blogroll a couple of years ago.
@Sly: Speaking of fictional punishments, my favorite is from the Onion article that appeared just after 9/11, “Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell”, and I think it would be an appropriate fate for Kristol: to be hollowed out and used as a prophylactic by thorn-cocked Gulbuth the Rampant.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
Um, Keith Olbermann is in first place for the Moore award?
He’s definitely a professional figure on the left, not a blogger.
I think Sullivan’s on vacation through the end of the year. The linked piece is signed by “Patrick Appel.”
There’s no defending Sully on his nonsense, but I’ve got to call bullshit on this “But Person X is only a blogger, so it doesn’t matter if they’re a raging asshole” stuff. That’s exactly the sort of thing said about Rush Limbaugh when he started pumping his venom into our political discourse. “Oh, he’s just a radio talk show host. It doesn’t matter what he says.”
Which isn’t to say that Tbogg is the equivalent of Limbaugh in influence or malice. But I’d think a place like this, where folks notice and deride the beyond silly Obama-bashing among liberals, would recognize that one of the sources of that behavior is a snarky Manicheism that’s become the baseline attitude among bloggers of all stripes.
Mike
I described Sully to my wife and roommate as follows “The smart things he says make the stupid things he says stand out all the more.”
I’m fond of Sully as I find he’s often witty, insightful, and makes me think. He does have moments of odd wingnutness which seem to contrast greatly.
@ulee:
You don’t like Tbogg’s writing and you offer Amanda “Run-On Sentence” Marcotte as an example of a good writer? Get the fuck out. While I might agree with everything she says, Ms. Marcotte is no great shakes in the English department. I suspect you wouldn’t know good writing if it bit you in your humorless ass.
@Ash Can:
I disagree. Telling Kristol he was instrumental in getting Obama elected would be perfect. Along the lines of revenge being a dish best eaten cold.
Johnny Coe–humorless ass? Try again, loser.
If ulee doesn’t like TBogg it’s his loss. Not liking the man who named that Alaskan bimbo “Caribou Barbie” isn’t just “humor-impaired,” it’s monumentally stupid.
There is an alternative explanation here:
Sully nominates what he thinks of as the worst examples in these two categories, and he only can pick from what’s out there. Also, like the Oscars, he has a certain number of nominees and one award in each category no matter how good or bad the choices are.
The worst examples he could find from the righties were pretty much all calls to violence, which I think we’d all agree are way beyond over the top. The worst examples he could find from the lefties were things like Digby’s comment, which were merely uncivil (and, in Digby’s case, also accurate). The contrast is, shall we say, interesting, if entirely unsurprising.
@ulee: Case in point.
Tehanu–you are not monumentally stupid. Just stupid will do.
You did it!
The Moore award is nothing more than Sullivan’s attempt to prove that he is “above it all” — much as Stewart uses the occasional awkward reference to MSNBC.
I actually disagree with the point though, even though I think it is a funny idea. If Kristol died — especially in a fire — he’d be a martyr. He would be membered as though he was not an uninterrupted font of uneducated guesses. And he’d likely be replaced in every role with someone with more credibility to someone somewhere (almost a necessary fact, given the point of reference).
and, to complete the circle of jerk, this post is now a “Moore Award” nominee.
1.2.3. let’s have a big finale!
Honestly, the one thing that bugs even more than the false equivalency is the all-around point-missing. Take the “award” Digby got, for a post that pointed to parallels between the intemperate, eliminationist, and frankly, transparently anti-semitic rhetoric that Beck filled the airways with in his four-part series against George Soros, and the similarly eliminationist and conspiratorial language that marked the call to action issued by Radio Rwanda.
Okay, fair point, maybe, but then the next day, Sully quotes someone at the Daily Beast, tacitly in agreement, when she calls the exact same television segments “the closest [she]’d ever seen to fascism on mainstream television”. So, what, one invocation of propaganda used to incite genocide is beyond the pale, but the other isn’t? Comparing his use of mass-media to foment hate to the Radio Rwanda is not okay, but comparing Beck to the Nazis is?
And the kicker is, arguably, the Radio Rwanda comparison was at least as apt as the comparison between Beck’s hit piece on Soros and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, albeit as a subltly different critique. Honestly, it’s almost as though he didn’t read Digby’s piece for context at all, let alone enough realized that it was a reaction to the same reprehnsible piece that he later linked to criticisms that rather baldly likened to Nazi propaganda.
Of course, if he read his “Moore award nominees”‘ posts for context, he probably wouldn’t have taken your bait with this post, right here. And yet, there we are.
just note that Sullivan isn’t the only person there handing out “awards” (though when he’s there, yes, it’s all under his name no matter where the idea came from).
the nomination that this post received came from Patrick Appel.
his helpers deserve some of the scorn, as well.
You know what I’ll say it the way Sullivan apparently read it- America would be a better place today if Bill Kristol had suffered a massive heart attack and died in 2000 or so, I have no room in my heart for those who advocated for massive death and violence purely for there own ideological ends- frankly from a sheer damage perspective Kristol belongs with the publishers of Der Strummer and Karanga in for his role in cheerleading the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Well . . . once the shock of the statement wears off . . . isn’t it true nonetheless?
By pointing this out you prove how much you are the hater here.
Too late, John. At this point Keith Olbermann calling Scott Brown homophobic is so laughably not true it deserves that award three times over. And Keith Olbermann is a major media figure. I would even be saying this if Bill Kristol was known to worship Aqua Buddha.
(I formally wish John and company a 2011 full of the same delight from his commenters that he gives many of the rest of us. Every day I am here, John makes me smile and laugh.)
(At this time I notice the date on this post.)
@Barb (formerly Gex): I somehow missed this. Do you have a clue on what the word “literally” means?
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@Shade Tail: We’re even. I couldn’t make heads nor tails of you rambling post.
I must admit that you lost me with the lame “evil” meme. I lose interest when I hear that word applied to individuals by the fundie crowd. So I don’t take it any more seriously in an argument with a “progressive”.
@jrg: Should I have mentioned Glenn Greenwald or Cenk Uygur? Or maybe Keith Olbermann? They are certainly “our side’s” *prominent* purveyors of DIAF invective. I must admit that TBogg is decidedly “small time” in comparison to those “giants of political debate”. But I might suggest that the argument for “our side” is better than this and doesn’t need to descend to “argument FAIL” rhetoric like the tea baggers must.
When that is you best argument, you’re out of ammo.
@Mnemosyne: See my comment at #201.
Just because the “big boys” descend to stupid invective doesn’t mean that the intelligent “little guy” has to follow suit.