Sunday Night Open Thread

Discuss. What have we missed? I’ve sort of been awol, sucking down equal parts of sudafed and turkey the last couple of days, while watching a TON of football.






100 replies
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    hildebrand says:

    Rather sad news, Leslie Nielsen died today.

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    Punchy says:

    RIP Frank Drebben. And dont call him Shirley.

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    Yutsano says:

    Did housework, baked off cookies, enjoying the much gnashing of teef cause of the WikiLeaks stuff. Other than that tomorrow is Monday and I’m two weeks away from my night shifts again.

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    sherifffruitfly says:

    Seems like when you grow up, your life becomes largely about hearing about people dying. :(

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    parsimon says:

    Aside from the news about Leslie Nielsen, the country is obsessed by football. Make of that what you will.

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    freelancer says:

    Leslie Nielsen died today

    :(

    RIP. Man was damned funny.

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    mr. whipple says:

    Browns won today, but they won so ugly there was no joy in Mudville.

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    frosty says:

    @freelancer:
    Damned funny. True enough. And the funniest thing is that he started his career doing hard-boiled drama, but apparently he had this irreverent streak he kept under wraps until he did “Airplane.” Then he spent the rest of his career sending up the characters he played straight for the first part.

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    stuckinred says:

    30 on 30 about Marcus Dupree is awesome, “The Best That Never Was”.

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    Yutsano says:

    @mr. whipple: Peyton did his part. The ugly I choose to blame on DelHomme. Just cuz I’m mean like that.

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    freelancer says:

    @frosty:

    And the funniest thing is that he started his career doing hard-boiled drama, but apparently he had this irreverent streak he kept under wraps until he did “Airplane.” Then he spent the rest of his career sending up the characters he played straight for the first part.

    Sounds a lot like my academic career if you were to track it from Kindergarten to Undergrad.

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    burnspbesq says:

    It’s a little creepy to wake up on a Saturday morning and read that the FBI arrested a guy for trying to set off a car bomb a block away from where you are sitting.

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    Keith G says:

    Sudafed and Wild Turkey would be my choice.

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    General Stuck says:

    @mr. whipple:

    The Kardiac Kids for sure. Every game down to the last possession, or nearly so. This time a win by inches.

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    Frank says:

    Well on a lighter note, santarchy is coming to Pittsburgh Dec 11th.

    A little bit of craziness that isn’t for charity but is a protest over lousy christmas parties. Should be a modest 200 to 300 people and might include water taxis ;-).

    Santarchy Pittsburgh (sorry about crappy link)
    http://www.barsmart.com/viewto.....DF1986A625

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    burnspbesq says:

    Looks like an old-school Big 10 vs. Pac 10 Rose Bowl is on. Stanford and Wisconsin are 4 and 5 in the latest BCS standings.

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    burnspbesq says:

    Did they actually play three high school games at Heinz Field on Saturday? What genius came up with that idea? Now all you need is a little bit of precip and the place will be a quagmire.

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    I’ve been cooking with leftovers all weekend. I successfully finished off the leftover potatoes and gravy (mmm, potato pancakes with gravy) and converted most of the turkey into turkey soup. I also futzed with my computer; /home is now safely on RAID1 again.

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    Yutsano says:

    @burnspbesq: That could actually be, y’know, fun. For once. And fuck the BCS.

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    PeakVT says:

    Saw Bernie Sanders at the grocery store this afternoon. I wonder how many other Senators shop for food regularly.

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    @Yutsano: I rarely pay attention to college sports–the level of play just isn’t good enough for me (he types as Manning throws his second pick-six of the night)–but the people who are going to argue that a one-loss team, any one-loss team, will deserve a Championship game slot over TCU if either Oregon or Auburn stumble should be drowned in his own vomit.

    Just saw the replay–Manning got hosed on that one.

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    rikyrah says:

    had no idea what Black Monday was until a friend told me about it.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    I remember getting the shock of my life a few years ago watching (don’t ask me why) the original “Tammy” movie (“Tammy and the Doctor” maybe?) and slowly realizing that Debbie Reynolds’ leading man was an impossibly young, gorgeous, and serious Leslie Nielsen.

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    burnspbesq says:

    I’m a big fan of irony, so I got a chuckle when I learned that the FCS (aka 1-AA) national championship game is going to be played in a soccer stadium.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    Gophers beat Harvard 3-0 on Friday, and 4-2 today. Noora Räty took an ugly blow to the head in Game 1, and I thought she’d be out for the year. She was back today and played outstanding. Our best series of the season. The seiors on the team have a total of 9 points, and four of them are from Emily West, who’s knee exploded after four games and is redshirting. The freshmen have 16 goals and 33 assists. This team could be really dangerous by March.

    Bethany Brausen got her first goal as a Gopher, and Mira Jalosuo got her first two of the weekend. Both proved the value of just taking the puck to the net and letting it bounce around. Something strange might happen.

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    JAHILL10 says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: He was such a sad case in that movie! With his PTSD and I swear any minute I expected him to send the whole thing up. It made for a very nerve racking cinematic experience.

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    It’s fun to determine which is more appealing: Manning getting sacked or Manning throwing an interception. Each has equal appeal.

    Good day in the AFC North.

    ETA: Gaia bless you, Leslie Nieslen. ‘Airplane’ set the standard, but a bit part in ‘Nuts’ opposite Streisand will always stand out.

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    Joseph Nobles says:

    Joe Lieberman, when asked in 2007 by Dubai officials about Iraq plans not working: “Plan B is to make Plan A work.”

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    Joseph Nobles says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “Tammy and the Bachelor.”

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    @mr. whipple:

    Tah! A win is a win. Good, bad, ugly or radioactive off the uprights, it’s welcome.

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    PanAmerican says:

    Montreal Alouettes win back-to-back Grey Cups.

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    And Arkansas putting the whammy on LSU was pretty sweet also.

    Go Buckeyes!
    Go Browns!

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    suzanne says:

    I spent most of the day at home. Slept in, made a fabulous vegetable/herb/parmesan frittata for breakfast, cleaned my house, played with the dogs, etc. I got the ice cream maker attachment for my stand mixer for our wedding, but I haven’t used it yet, so I was thinking I would try making peppermint ice cream. Anyone have any recipes?

    Holiday weekends rock. Can I haz another one, PLEEZ?

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    Comrade Luke says:

    Anyone catch the Adam Carolla show from a couple of days ago, when he had Dr Drew on?

    They went off on a huge jag about how the government is this gigantic, inefficient entity that only exists to take your money (Carolla’s quote), and how yes, it’s great that they can now see the mountains in California due to how the government’s involvement in reducing emissions, but they’re just so anti-business and if they would just get out of the way and let private enterprise take over everything would be awesome.

    And then Carolla used the example of the Big Three automakers. He said (paraphrasing) you see what happened? They were producing shit, and had to adjust once the Japanese started kicking their asses, and they did it all without the government. Isn’t that great?

    The whole “milk SUVs and invest in your financial divisions until you go bankrupt, then have the government bail you out” was lost on them.

    I don’t think I’ll be listening to him anymore.

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    sherifffruitfly says:

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    For gawd’s sake get Dent and Hayes in there already. Sheesh.

    A lot of the newer crowd should be there too, but those yesteryear guys really need to be in.

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    Bella Q says:

    A reader writes Sully:

    On Thanksgiving Day, the ONLY thing everyone agreed with is when my 80 year old feeble mother-in-law shouted, “Sarah Palin an idiot!” In a multi-generational gathering of 30 rural Ohio Republicans, Mom was almost applauded at the dinner table. From the men who were in the garage drinking beer and frying the turkey to the wives and girlfriends who were in the kitchen, Palin is over. I was surprised to see her lose this group of FNC viewers.

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    mr. whipple says:

    @Yutsano:

    The ugly I choose to blame on DelHomme

    I thought people had been a little hard on him. But by the end of the game I had to agree.

    Edit: the d STUNK, too. Also.

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    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):
    That’s a tough call. As a Broncos fan, I’ll have to go with Davis and Sharpe. As much as it pains me, I think I’ll have to suck it up and vote for Guy. To balance offense and defense, I’ll add Sanders and Dent.

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    Yutsano says:

    @suzanne:

    Holiday weekends rock. Can I haz another one, PLEEZ?

    Ya gets another one in a month. In fact if you’re like me you gets two in a row. I think I’mma gonna be loving that. Plus we enter our massive slow period.

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    suzanne says:

    @Comrade Luke: Adam Carolla needs to be kept on level surfaces so the drool comes out both sides of his mouth.

    Comments like that make me think of the anti-vaccine people; they’re completely convinced that their chosen enemy has completely fucked them over, when they’ve been marinating in its benefits their whole lives.

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    @Comrade Luke: They were producing shit, and had to adjust once the Japanese started kicking their asses, and they did it all without the government. Isn’t that great?

    So he never heard of the first Chrysler bailout, I guess?

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    @Roger Moore: I went with Faulk, Sharpe, Deion, Roaf and Ray Guy. Faulk and Sanders were tough for me because the Saints faced them a number of times and get eaten alive by them. Roaf is my sentimental pick. But Ray Guy is, in my opinion, the most indefensible exclusion from the Hall. He changed the role of the player, and you can’t ask anyone to do more than that.

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    bob says:

    @freelancer:

    Surely, you must be kidding?

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    Comrade Luke says:

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    His specific examples were Ford and Cadillac, but like I said, the bailout was completely lost on him. His example of “occasional” fraud was Enron.

    And earlier in the month when Dr Drew was on, his first comment about HCR was “You know, what we need to do is reign in the Medicare fraud.” Drew called him on it, but said that the real problem was that the government would fund the system up front and then quickly cut things, such that doctors would then have to work “for free, just like we do now”.

    Today Drew started the whole political conversation by referring back to that moment, because Limbaugh picked it up and broadcast it to the dittoheads. Dr Drew said “That’s not what I meant”, and then they proceed down the path I stated above.

    Just incredibly naive.

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    ~Set Gloat On

    It is truly heartbreaking to see the Colts down by 22 late in the 4th at home.

    ~Set Gloat Off

    ETA: Go AFC North.

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    Dream On says:

    Adam Carolla’s advice is best suited for those living between Burbank, the Valley, Ventura and Riverside. Although he’s funny, his best work was with Loveline, and his personal views are shallow SoCal politics, all the way.

    Up next, Jim Rome explains the Public Option pros and cons!

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    Comrade Luke says:

    @Dream On: Hey, I agree with you about all that, but the problem is that the guy has incredible reach.

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    MikeJ says:

    @rikyrah:

    had no idea what Black Monday was until a friend told me about it.

    Your friend told you “naked marketing trying to convince people that spending will make them accepted by society at large” I hope.

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    FWIW, England has just declared after a spectacular second innings in the First Ashes Test. They were down by 221 after the first innings, but came back 517-1(!) before declaring. It still looks like a draw is most likely, since it’s after lunch on the fifth day.

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    @Roger Moore:

    The Yanks call it, “Psych!”

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    mr. whipple says:

    had no idea what Black Monday was until a friend told me about it.

    I thought Monday was cyber Monday, or something.

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    Suck It Up! says:

    @rikyrah:

    I think you mean Cyber Monday.

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    John,

    Didja happen to catch that Micheal Vick’s no-interception streak just got broken by Tommy Harris of the BEARS today?

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    Steeplejack says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Don’t forget Forbidden Planet. Leslie in a space uniform.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Joseph Nobles #30: Thanks! I *knew* “T and the D” didn’t sound quite right.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus): Shannon Sharpe, Andre Reed, Willie Roaf, Ed Sabol, and Don Coryell. Unless it’s only the players that are limited to five, in which case Lester Hayes and Ray Guy replace Sabol and Coryell.

    Running backs are overrated. There are probably 2-3 more guys I’d take before Bettis, who I think is the only RB on that list who should go in.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Roger Moore:

    I thought England were dead after Hussey and Haddin had that 307-run partnership. They’re going to escape the Gabbatoir and go to Adelaide full of confidence. Fuck fuck fuckity fuck.

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    Kenneth says:

    Assange should be given the Nobel Peace Prize next year. He served humanity by his actions here more than any of the last five winners.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Second guessers will say they should have declared at the close of yesterday’s play and given themselves a full day to go for the win.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Kenneth:

    Go soil one of the Wikileaks-related threads with your crap. Grownups are talking about important stuff in this thread. If you can’t talk intelligently about football or cricket, get the fuck out.

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    Comrade Luke says:

    BTW, here’s the link. Go to 21:30 for the conversation I’m talking about.

    http://www.adamcarolla.com/ACP.....dr-drew-4/

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    Darkrose says:

    You know how some folks here were insisting that the scan-and-grope wasn’t a big deal for them, and therefore shouldn’t be so for anyone else?

    Not so much. It seems as though the scanners or the people staffing them don’t know what to do with such strange and potentially threatening objects as a flannel menstrual pad. I hate to think about what they’d do if you were wearing a Diva Cup.

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    Francis says:

    I did a three-day dry brine (just salt and ground sage) on a heritage turkey. Then cooked it with aluminum foil on the breast until about 1/2 hour to go, at 325 the whole way.

    Best turkey evah!

    (of course, my father in law is going senile, so the weekend did have its downsides.)

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    Citizen_X says:

    I’m in mod limbo @65 and I don’t know why.

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    danimal says:

    What a lovely way to end the weekend, with Peyton Manning grimacing as he watches the Chargers defense roll on by to the end zone.

    All Mannings have a special place in the hearts of us Charger fans. Enjoy your week, Peyton!

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    AB says:

    we have a communication problem:

    92% of Afghans do not know what 9/11 is. Most do not know why we are there, and a lot of them think we’re there to destroy Islam.

    John King looks like he’s going to cry on CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Ktb9HJjAQ

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    Alison says:

    @Darkrose: Well, if menstrual blood is considered a medical liquid, maybe one would have the same super fun experience as this woman

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    Yutsano says:

    @Citizen_X: WordPress needs no reason to put you into moderation. It shall do so at its whim and caprice alone. In other words, FYWP.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @burnspbesq: Or hockey. But, honestly, didn’t Hussey and Haddin demonstrate that this pitch can’t produce anything but a draw? This is turning out to be a boring test. The Poms’ openers were impressive, but still.

    Declaring yesterday would only have allowed Australia to score enough runs to win. Once it was apparent just how scarce wickets were going to be, the only way this match ended up with a decision is if Strauss had been criminally incompetent.

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    @burnspbesq:
    Cook and Trott topped that with 329. The BBC commentators say it’s just the second time there have been two 300 run partnerships in a single test. And any second guesser who thinks they should have declared at the beginning of the day is off his rocker. They were up by less than 90, which is way too thin a lead to declare on with a full day’s play ahead. Maybe they could have declared at lunch, but in any case they should be happy to come out with a draw.

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    @J. Michael Neal: Bettis over Faulk? Maybe it’s because I saw him slash up the Saints twice a year while he was with the Rams, but between his running and pass-catching, I think he’s the class of that list.

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    Citizen_X says:

    @Yutsano: CURSE YOU, WORDPRESS!

    Anyway, I had put up a link to a Forbidden Planet scene on YouTube. Sigh. Leslie Nielsen’s gone and WordPress DOESN’T EVEN CARE.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Citizen_X: Hopefully AL will be along here soon enough to liberate it from the foul clutches of WP hell.

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    @Citizen_X: That happened to me the other day. AFAIK, that comment never did make it out of moderation.

    I think our comments are going where the stray socks go.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus): Yes, but I have a tendency to overvalue durability. For instance, there aren’t many who agree with me that Slava Fetisov was the second best defenseman in hockey history.

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    Yutsano says:

    @J. Michael Neal:

    Slava Fetisov was the second best defenseman in hockey history.

    This sounds more like a good way to win a bar bet than anything else.

    EDIT: Did teh Google, and yeah, coming to the NHL at 31 and lasting 9 seasons as a bruiser is definitely worth notice.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Yutsano: He wasn’t even a bruiser. He was strong, and could move a guy out from in front of the net, but he didn’t deliver huge hits or get into fights. He was just always in position. Most people aren’t aware of just how good he was before he came to the NHL. NHL players that played against him in summit tournaments in the 80s just raved about him.

    When I have a chance to look at his career with perspective, there’s a possibility I’ll move Nick Lidstrom ahead of him. Right now, though, it’s Fetisov. I have a replica of his Central Red Army jersey.

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    Yutsano says:

    @J. Michael Neal: All defencemen are bruisers. Trust me, I dated one. :) Even if they’re subtle about it, they still take the hits and deliver them right back. I highly respect him for changing countries and ices at an age when a lot of players are starting to mumble retirement.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Darkrose:

    You know how some folks here were insisting that the scan-and-grope wasn’t a big deal for them, and therefore shouldn’t be so for anyone else?

    I did enjoy it when people decided for themselves that they were just damn fine with it, and couldn’t figure out that wasn’t really the point.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Yutsano: The way that he and Igor Larionov (my all time favorite hockey player) challenged Viktor Tikhonov and the Soviet establishment, back when it *was* the Soviet establishment, demonstrated more moral courage than 98% of all sports stars are ever asked to show. When they told Tikhonov they were not going to play for him any more, that really could have been the end of their hockey careers. I don’t want to minimize what defectors like Fedorov or Konstantinov risked, but two legends like Slava and Igor calling the authorities out publicly was gutsy.

    As for defensemen, I agree overall. It’s not just a male thing, either. Friday night, a Harvard forward hit our goalie in the head with her stick. It was accidental, but knocked her out of the game, and I was worried about the rest of the season. She played today, and every time a Harvard player skated towards her after the whistle, the Gophers got really surly. Kelly Seeler (by a large margin our smallest defenseman) took a couple of roughing penalties for dropping Ivy Leaguers after the whistle. Megan Bozek used the cross-check as her attack of choice.

    Then again, we have a couple of defensemen that could push Aaron Ness (a defenseman on the men’s team) around at will. Mira Jalosuo and Bailey Gillanders are large women.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @burnspbesq: Honestly, it coulda been practically anyone here.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Yeah. That it was Corner Stone is purely a coincidence.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    But Ray Guy is, in my opinion, the most indefensible exclusion from the Hall.

    Ray Guy isn’t in the Hall?! What, he hit on Pete Rozelle’s daughter or something?

    Inexcusable.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @J. Michael Neal:

    When I have a chance to look at his career with perspective, there’s a possibility I’ll move Nick Lidstrom ahead of him. Right now, though, it’s Fetisov. I have a replica of his Central Red Army jersey.

    You’re going to get an argument from me about putting Lidstrom anywhere above number five all-time. I’m old. I saw Doug Harvey play. I also saw Potvin and Robinson for their entire careers.

    For me, the top five is Orr, Fetisov, Potvin, Harvey, and Robinson.

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    burnspbesq says:

    If you value your sanity, do NOT read Chunky Bobo’s Monday column. There’s nothing there but brain pain.

    OTOH, Krugman is onto something, although he doesn’t explicitly state the conclusion that his analysis unmistakably points to. It’s time for the Euro to die.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11.....=1&hp

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    JGabriel says:

    Ross Douthat on The Partisan Mind:

    It was the populist right that raged against body scans, and the Republican Party that moved briskly to exploit the furor. It was a Democratic administration that labored to justify the intrusive procedures, and the liberal commentariat that leaped to their defense.

    No links to any of the “liberal commentariat” defending the TSA, of course, because THERE AREN’T ANY.

    Fucking asshole.

    .

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    @burnspbesq: Harvey I’ll consider. Potvin, no. Robinson, no. Great players, but not Lidstrom.

    Lidstrom has the problem that he’s the most boring superstar ever. The epitome of his career was the 1997 SC Finals, when he and Larry Murphy smothered the Legion of Doom with a pillow. No highlights. No big hits. Nothing that could rouse Eric Lindros from his slumbers and give him something to focus on. Just constant, 60 minute smothering.

    All of the talk going into that series was about the monumental physical war that was going to be Lindros vs. Konstantinov (who, at that point, a lot of people other than myself thought was better than Lidstrom). I’m sure that Lindros and LeClair used all of that to motivate themselves.

    And then Scottie sent out Lidstrom and Murphy against them. Just about everytime on the ice. Instead of big hits to feed off of, all Lindros saw was sticks in passing lanes, and the puck bouncing away from him. No one tried to push him out of the slot, they just wouldn’t let him do anything.

    The quintessential Lidstrom play requires you to rewind and watch in slow motion to figure out what he did. If it even attracts your attention at all. Absolutely one of the best players of all time, but you have to watch for what doesn’t happen, rather than what does.

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    JGabriel says:

    burnspbesq:

    If you value your sanity, do NOT read Chunky Bobo’s Monday column.

    Too late, I already did. Ross Douthat writing on The Partisan Mind as if he were an impartial observer is like listening to Bernie Madoff lecture on the need for securities regulation.

    .

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    Yutsano says:

    @JGabriel: That wasn’t a column. That was a pure heaping helping of word salad. I still don’t have a fucking clue what his central point was, and I honestly don’t have the intestinal fortitude to read it again.

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    HE Pennypacker, Wealthy Industrialist says:

    I just want to win a walk-on role on Walking Dead.

    This is my contribution to this thread.

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    Suffern ACE says:

    @Yutsano: I think there is some point in there about how the natural tendency for conservatism is libertarianism and now that a conservative isn’t in the White House, conservatives are free to stand firm on libertarianism, although there is a benefit to partisanship in general in that it means that there is always someone willing to stand up against the party in power for the sake of liberty, so the partisan mind isn’t all bad. Of course, no one really has principals except those who are out of power…so that really does suck.

    See… it really isn’t that hard to figure out what the point is if one puts in a little extra effort and reads between the lines. It isn’t really the job of an opinion writer to make his or her opinions clear when one is given a section of the NYT editorial page. That is the job of readers. The hard work of reading and understanding is what makes us as readers more virtuous than the lazy opinion writers. I believe the Protestant Comprehension Ethic is what made us a great nation once.

    As an aside, are they still teaching a course called “Composition” in American high schools, or did that get thrown out sometime in the last 20 years?

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    JGabriel says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    As an aside, are they still teaching a course called “Composition” in American high schools, or did that get thrown out sometime in the last 20 years?

    More like 35-45 years ago.

    .

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Suffern ACE:

    I think there is some point in there about how the natural tendency for conservatism is libertarianism

    Probably captures Douthat’s intent.

    Which is why Douthat is a total fuckhead.

    These guys are authoritarian assholes, to the core. I refer you to Kim Stanley Robinson’s quote about “Libertarians”.

    Modern “conservatism” is about the last ditch defense of the old order from the terrible threat of egalitarianism that threatens to undermine the fragile egos of the aristocrat wannabees. These are the people who cannot enjoy their meals unless they know that others are starving.

    Conservatism used to be about preserving the fabric of society against the unintended consequences wrought by intellectual, economic, and technological changes, which tend to shatter the old ways of doing things. Heck, allowing people to travel more than 10 miles from where they were born is very fabric stretching.

    Now it’s about “I’ve got mine, fuck you!” and pulling up the ladders.

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    Kobie says:

    Andre Johnson whupped Cortland Finnegan’s ass.

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    Kobie says:

    @J. Michael Neal:

    The quintessential Lidstrom play requires you to rewind and watch in slow motion to figure out what he did. If it even attracts your attention at all. Absolutely one of the best players of all time, but you have to watch for what doesn’t happen, rather than what does.

    Perhaps the best assessment of Nik Lidstrom I’ve ever read.

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    J. Michael Neal says:

    FWIW, my list of the top four defensemen of all time is:

    1) Orr
    2) Fetisov
    3) Lidstrom
    4) Harvey

    After that, it becomes a muddle, and I could put at least a half dozen different names at #5.

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    polyorchnid octopunch says:

    @PanAmerican: Clearly, the good folks here aren’t THAT much into football. A very good game; Calvillo is going to end up in the Hall of Fame I’m sure… plus he played while putting off surgery for his thyroid as a result of an injury earlier this year. I’m going to have to see if I can swing a trip to Mtl to catch the parade and party; one thing that’s completely true is that les Montreallaise know how to have a good time.

    Oh, and burnspesq; that may be the case but you aren’t one of them. I only regret that the guy who leaked those things apparently didn’t see fit to include any missives from Canada; it would’ve been awesome to get something to hang Harper and the rest of his wrecking crew from. I particularly hate Baird; I went to uni with him, and he was an asshole then too.

    And of course, as folks actually did notice in the news from Canada file, was the death of Leslie Nielson. Have any of you ever seen Men with Brooms?

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    Cheryl from Maryland says:

    @burnspbesq: Hey, even if you are a Duke fan, show some respect — FCS has playoffs unlike that monstrosity the BCS. If all goes well, I will be in that soccer stadium in January cheering on William and Mary.

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