The Graeme Frost Decade

This may be the saddest thing I’ve ever seen. Wingnuts are now going after the jury in the Blago trial. They’re speculating that this woman was the holdout and that the fix was in:

Juror # 106, a black female believed to be in her 60s, is a retired state public health director who has ties to the Chicago Urban League. She has handed out campaign literature for a relative who ran for public office. She listens to National Public Radio and liberal talk radio shows.

Much is being made by the deep thinkers that she is black AND listens to NPR. The local FOX affiliate and the bloggers have now published her name and are trashing her husband by name, as well.

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147 replies
  1. 1
    Jamie says:

    Well we’ve all heard about those crazy NPR listeners. Bunch of crazy tree huggers;-)

  2. 2
    JMG says:

    She ought to sue their pants off. Better yet, file a criminal endangerment complaint. Or, best of all, find some friends to beat the crap out of the station owner.

  3. 3
    MattR says:

    I McEstimate that they have an 80% chance of being correct.

    @JMG: Why does she have to choose just one?

  4. 4
    Cols714 says:

    What the hell is going on in this country? I’m beginning to think that the Republican message is “Vote for us, we are assholes”

    That’s all I hear.

    The more I think about it, the more I think that Democrats, who still suck, are our only hope here. If the Republicans take back the House with this strategy it is only going to make them act like bigger assholes.

    If I was the president I would advise all Democratic lawmakers to just turn off the cable news channels and all of the insider BS articles and just ephing govern the way they think they should.

  5. 5
    dmsilev says:

    Ties to the “Chicago Urban League”? Let me guess, it’ll be roughly ten seconds before ACORN ACORN ACORN echoes across the interwebs. No, I have no idea whether CUL has/had any ties to ACORN. It doesn’t matter.

    dms

  6. 6
    Dave says:

    Sigh…I know you’re supposed to turn the other cheek and stuff. But can’t we just start pulling this shit on them? Hell, we’re smarter and more tech savvy…

  7. 7
    me says:

    @JMG: The station owner is Rupert Murdoch.

  8. 8
    charles pierce says:

    Countdown to CNN piece that “covers the controversy.”

    Four…three…two…

  9. 9
    TR says:

    I don’t want to Godwin the thread but …

    Yeah, that’s all I’ve got. Brownshirts on the march.

  10. 10
    Suffern ACE says:

    So a juror is a public figure now and is fair game? To echo some things Kay has been saying recently, random jurors now need to hire PR firms to protect their reputations?

    Cue the article in Politico any moment now complaining about how her lack of media savvy is somehow her fault.

  11. 11
    morzer says:

    @Cols714:

    The consequences if Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman should follow your advice do not bear thinking about. We’d have a permanent dole for all Nebraskans, including the unborn, as well as a nuclear strike on Gaza. Then week two would begin.

  12. 12
    GambitRF says:

    50 bucks says she’s on Glenn Beck’s chalkboard tonight with lines going from her to Barack Obama, ACORN, and the Tides Foundation

  13. 13
    DougJ says:

    Isn’t this a text book example of a post that should have the “show us your countertops” tag?

  14. 14
    MattR says:

    @dmsilev:
    @Suffern ACE: Does this now mean I can get out of jury duty by saying I support ACORN?

  15. 15
    kindness says:

    That’s funny, The last several posts I’ve written over at NPR all say how they’ve become Fox Lite or that Cokie Roberts is a lying republican pod person…..well, I’m a little nicer than that..but not much.

  16. 16
    GN says:

    Classic regressive thug intimidation tactic. Real life trolling. Nothing new.

  17. 17
    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Dave: Right there with you. It’s just disgusting. Intimidation at its finest worst.

    As if the not-mosque not-Ground Zero controversy wasn’t bad enough. This really just gives me a big sad.

  18. 18
    rufflesinc says:

    Considering the right’s animus toward’s the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald (of Scooty Libby fame), I wouldn’t be surprised if they got in a few shots at him for failing to use a peremptory strike against her.

  19. 19
    bkny says:

    fuck. that’s some interesting detail collected on this woman. who the hell did that?

    and, really, handing out campaign literature is a sign of subversion? w.t.f

  20. 20
    Violet says:

    I don’t think I’d agree to be on a high profile jury. I wouldn’t want to risk that kind of thing happening to me. I’d tell the judge I couldn’t serve because I’d be terrified my life would be destroyed and it would affect my ability to be impartial and fair.

    What’s the law surrounding outing the names of jurors? Is that even legal? What about other jurors discussing the jury-room proceedings? Is that legal?

  21. 21
    brantl says:

    She needs a sign on her lawn, telling Faux Noise to go suck on a bag of dicks, is what she needs.

  22. 22
    Steve M. says:

    She listens to National Public Radio and liberal talk radio shows.

    There are liberal talk radio shows? Where? News to me.

  23. 23
    dmsilev says:

    @MattR: No, of course not. It simply means that if the right wing decides that you are guilty of thoughtcrime, you will be tied to ACORN.

    dms

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    jrg says:

    Ahh, wingnuts… Any news organization that doesn’t voice insane nonsense like “terrorist fist jabs”, or donate money to the GOP is liberal by definition.

    What a bunch of stupid, racist whackjobs.

  25. 25
    cmorenc says:

    This illustrates yet another reason why prudent folks will understandably be extremely reluctant to serve on a jury in any sort of prominent or emotionally charged case, beyond just the potential amount of time commitment involved. If you know that by serving, you are putting yourself at substantial risk of harassment and ugly publicity by people disappointed in the result of your verdict, this puts quite a bit of pressure on your personal integrity to decide the case honestly by your evaluation of the evidence and the law (as explained to you by the judge’s instructions). It’s challenging enough to stand up for your decisions against other contrary-minded jurors in the privacy of the jury room. It’s extraordinarily challenging to have to run the gauntlet of a substantial segment of the community upset and hostile enough to harass you and accuse you of stupidity or corruption based purely on speculative innuendo about your background.

  26. 26
    Jim C says:

    I just love how Ace of Spades assumes a liberal NPR listener would automatically be in favor of Blago’s acquittal.

    He’s not from around here, is he?
    (Sorry to pull an EDK, but I’ve got to run)

  27. 27
    David Hunt says:

    I wish I could believe that the story is a hoax. I was going to make a poor joke about it being good news for my coworkers that I didn’t own a gun and make some sort reference to going “postal” but there are three reason I didn’t.

    1. There’s always someone who takes those sort of comments literally and I have no desire to be visited by the FBI over a tasteless joke.

    2. It would have been a joke in very poor taste. I try not to with anyone physical harm or suggest that others bring about such harm. If Darth Cheney himself were to struck by lightning I honestly believe that I would not rejoice in it. I wouldn’t mourn the SOB either, but I’d take no pleasure in his death.

    3. After a second’s contemplation, I discovered that I couldn’t work up any anger about this as I found it entirely unsurprising. It’s like my subconscious knew all along that the Wurlitzer was going to produce this and the confirmation was just a formality.

    Point 3 confirms that JC’s post is well named. We really are living in the Graeme Frost Decade.

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    jl says:

    Amazingly, this ugly episode is yet another inspiring example of how all the different cultures and groups in this great country have something to learn from one another.

    This holdout juror may be an African-American wise in the ways of NPR Islamocommufascist propaganda, and may or may not be part of the corrupt Chicago/Obama political machine.

    But yet the wingnuts can teach her quite a bit about thug life.

    These contemptible wingers had better be careful about crossing the line into juror intimidation. If these people were members of certain social clubs in certain major metropolitan areas, there would be DA’s looking into heavy manners to use on them (charges, restraining orders, etc.) concerning intimidation.

    The danger is that the wingers will find a way to cross further and further beyond that line under the cover of free speech. Then we are all in big trouble in more ways than one.

  29. 29
    morzer says:

    @me:

    Has any one person done more harm to the US (and Britain) over the last 20 years than Rupert Murdoch?

  30. 30
    Svensker says:

    @TR:

    When the Godwin fits. Is this not getting to be textbook fascism here?

  31. 31
    flukebucket says:

    Man that Ace of Spades fucker is a real piece of work. I had never been to that site before and I will for damn sure never go again. I feel diseased.

  32. 32
    MattR says:

    @cmorenc: I don’t think I would ever allow someone to get away with a crime just because they were a liberal, but if I am honest with myself I would probably vote to convict Ann Coulter of voter fraud with the flimsiest of evidence. And in the case of a politically charged topic like the Cordoba House I think I would take pleasure in telling the right wing to suck it. (Of course that is easier to say now when it is all a hypothetical)

  33. 33
    TR says:

    @Svensker:

    When the Godwin fits. Is this not getting to be textbook fascism here?

    Yeah, we’re getting pretty close.

    It’ll only be a few years before Germans will be the ones complaining that it’s not fair to liken their Nazi ancestors to the unhinged, bloodthirsty lunatics active in American conservatism.

  34. 34
    Zandar says:

    Holy shit!

    I’m black and listen to NPR!

    MY COUNTERTOPS! (runs home)

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    calipygian says:

    I love how Ace also has to explain how a black woman has come to have a Greek name. As if that mattered somehow also.

  36. 36
    demo woman says:

    Most counts were evenly split. Who are the other granite loving countertop folks who did not want to convict on most counts? Enquiring minds want to know. The hippie was the lone holdout on one count but there was another 22 or 23 counts. Who blocked those?

  37. 37
    p.a. says:

    I would love for someone here with contact to any AG departments to check on threats against jurors post-verdict. There may be statutory protections these wingers are violating. They always claim they are so oppressed. Maybe it’s time they really got a taste of the power of the state.

  38. 38
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Violet:

    What’s the law surrounding outing the names of jurors? Is that even legal?

    I’m wondering that myself, but I don’t know what the laws are in Illinois.

    What about other jurors discussing the jury-room proceedings? Is that legal?

    In California at least, that’s perfectly legal once the trial is over. If it’s a criminal trial here, technically no one is supposed to know your name — you go by your juror number through the whole thing. In a civil trial, they use your name.

    (I just went through jury duty a few months ago and got on a trial, so we had all of this stuff read to us by the judge and bailiff daily.)

  39. 39
    Nethead Jay says:

    I shouldn’t be surprised but WTF are they thinking. I’d wager that most Democrats/Liberals wanted Blagojevich to go down hard and for a long time. Friend of mine is a hard left liberal Democrat and he was livid about the result of the trial. If it was up to him, Blago would be put in a deep dungeon and the key thrown away.

  40. 40
    beltane says:

    @morzer: No. Rupert Murdoch is the worst enemy the English speaking world has seen since William the Conqueror.

  41. 41
    Violet says:

    I listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity when I’m in the car and their shows are on. I also listen to NPR and another local leftie station. I wonder what these vultures would make of that?

  42. 42
    Polly says:

    Is it legal to expose an anonymous juror to public ridicule like this?

    Does this mean I can get out of jury duty because I’d be afraid of Faux News and the winger crazyiness?

  43. 43
    Face says:

    Well, if Dr. Laura had her way, that n#gger n#gger n#gger would never have been on the jury to begin with.

  44. 44
    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Polly: Actually, you can get off being on a jury by pretty much giving them a clear opinion on positions. I did that when I was on jury duty for a crim sex case. Yeah, I don’t think either side, but especially the defense, wanted me on THAT jury.

    OT: jeffreyw, if you are reading this, thank you so much. The apple butter tastes better than it looks. You rock and you roll.

  45. 45
    neil says:

    I’m coming down with a really bad case of “disgust fatigue”.

  46. 46

    Why do they care about Blago? Except that he is from Illinois and everything from there is worse than dirt.

    I really don’t understand.

    Also, can this woman get some protection of some kind?

  47. 47
    Eric U. says:

    I’m pretty sure I got off one jury because I asked to talk to the judge. Of course, I should have been excused anyway, but I’m pretty sure that did it. Just go ask to talk to the judge and ask him if having granite countertops is enough to get off and one side or the other will put you on their elimination list.

  48. 48
    Punchy says:

    NPR is liberal? Since when?

  49. 49

    Is it just me, or has the line between parody and the real pretty much indistinguishable and getting more so every day.

    It is led by the right, but hardly confined to them

  50. 50
    Anya says:

    I guess we have to be optimistic, we’ve hit rock bottom, now we have nowhere to go but up. Things will improve soon.

  51. 51
    catclub says:

    @Nethead Jay:
    It is always amazing how hard it is for ‘innocent until
    proven guilty to sink in’.

    “… Friend of mine is a hard left liberal Democrat and he was livid about the result of the trial. If it was up to him, Blago would be put in a deep dungeon and the key thrown away. ”

    @asiangrrlMN:
    I think if you want to get off a jury, just volunteer to explain jury nullification to the rest of the panel. The JUDGE will
    insist you leave, not to mention the prosecution.

  52. 52
    Bulworth says:

    NPR is liberal? Since when?

    Since because shut up that’s why.

    Also, too, if it isn’t Faux, it’s librule.

  53. 53
    Culture of Truth says:

    So any day now CNN will cover this Firestorm of Controversy!!!!!!!!!

  54. 54
    Culture of Truth says:

    Breaking: Howard Dean calls on Juror 106 to reach out to Fox News

  55. 55
    MattR says:

    @Anya:

    I guess we have to be optimistic, we’ve hit rock bottom,

    Wow. That is optimistic. To paraphrase Bill Maher, “Just when you think you’ve hit the bottom of the barrel, there is still crap stuck under the barrel”. Unfortunately, IMO the worst is yet to come.

  56. 56
    morzer says:

    @beltane:

    Thanks for thinking about it.

  57. 57
    licensed to kill time says:

    My despicableomometer has topped out for today, I think.

  58. 58
    The humanity says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Why do they care about Blago?

    All that matters is that there is a Two Minute Hate every day.

  59. 59
    GN says:

    @bkny:

    that’s some interesting detail collected on this woman

    They’re trolls. Of course they’re up in her real life business.

  60. 60
    Dog is My Copilot says:

    I don’t understand their point, but that is just part of their looniness, I guess. So we have a good friend who I “just know” listens to Glenn Beck and watches Fox News because of all the B.S. he spews on a regular basis.

  61. 61
    Bubblegum Tate says:

    @Steve M.:

    There are liberal talk radio shows? Where? News to me.

    Turn on the radio. Do you hear people talking? Are those people wingnuts? No? LIBERAL TALK RADIO!

    Also, Ace and his ilk are terrible people who should die of gonorrhea.

  62. 62
    asiangrrlMN says:

    @catclub: Oh, SNAP. I like that. I’ll be using that in the future.

  63. 63
    Spaghetti Lee says:

    As an Illinoisan, I would like to say that I don’t give a goddamn shit about that goddamn clown Blagojevich. Seriously, if the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy That Controls Everything is reduced to doing under-the-table-stuff to keep that buffoon out of prison, we’ve sure fallen far.

  64. 64
    Mark S. says:

    @Linda Featheringill:

    Why do they care about Blago?

    Because in their fevered imaginations, Blago is a crony of Obama. Now, to rational people, this doesn’t make any sense since Blago was on trial for trying to sell Obama’s old seat and Obama blew him off pretty early but they just think anything connected to the Kenyan is somehow proof of a huge conspiracy.

  65. 65
    MattR says:

    @Mark S.: It is really sad that I pray for the relative sanity of the Vince Foster days.

  66. 66
    Martin says:

    This is an outcome I hadn’t expected. It seems now that there’s a black person in the WH, conservatives need not hold their fire when attacking african americans. I suspect racism is theoretically impossible in their view.

    Can anyone recall the last white member of even the current administration to come under wingnut scrutiny?

  67. 67
    Keith says:

    I’m placing a side bet she voted for Alan Keyes …

  68. 68
    Suffern ACE says:

    @Bubblegum Tate: @Bubblegum Tate: Die of what? Oh, somedays I wish I had chosen a different name. All this hating on another blogger also named Ace is confusing me.

  69. 69
    Brachiator says:

    @licensed to kill time:

    My despicableomometer has topped out for today, I think.

    Hah! I gotta steal that line!

  70. 70
    Zifnab says:

    @Punchy: Overton Window, bitches!

    Seriously, NPR has to be the most liberal program broadcast in Texas by several orders of magnitude. It’s this, 90s alternative rock, country, country, Jesus, Jesus, country, or Limbaugh – take your pick.

    I’ll take David Frum over 90% of what’s on my dial. Although, it’s less bad in Austin.

  71. 71
    Malron says:

    You can tell the writer harbors a bit of bias when he starts an article like this:

    The wait continues for the “holdout” juror to explain herself.

    And WTF, this statement from one of the jurors is pretty suspect:

    Another juror, Cynthia Parker, said she also felt bad that the jury did not accomplish what she felt they set out do, but she puts some blame on prosecutors.

    So, exactly what did they set out to do? Weigh the evidence and decide beyond a reasonable doubt, or just agree to convict Blago on all counts so they could be home in time for dinner?

    And yes, the Chicago FOX affiliate is just as shitty as any other, although I do like Robin Robinson’s body of work.

  72. 72
    Tom Q says:

    @morzer: To show you’re in good company: When Dennis Potter — the great BBC TV writer of Pennies from Heaven and The Singing Detective — was diagnosed with cancer, he christened his cancerous cells Rupert, in tribute to the man he saw as the greatest cancer on modern society.

  73. 73
    Mark S. says:

    @bkny:

    and, really, handing out campaign literature is a sign of subversion?

    I’m beginning to wonder if any political activity (besides teabagging) allows Homeland Security to put you on a terror watch list. For all our blather about freedom, the range of acceptable views in this country is astonishingly narrow.

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @Brachiator:

    Steal away! Really, I started to type about 5 different responses and deleted them all because of my despicableomometer problem. I gotta let it cool down.

  75. 75
    Tonal Crow says:

    Seeking thus the Ring of Power, they put It on, and became Gollum.

  76. 76
    nepat says:

    @Punchy:

    They talk about art, literature and film-making in the doldrums of mid-afternoon (e.g. Terry Gross). That makes them liberal. It’s through the arts that liberal voters are formed. That and poverty (see CORN, A).

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    morzer says:

    @KRK:

    Not yet, but it might be therapeutic. Anyone here seen the series Drop The Dead Donkey?

  79. 79
    morzer says:

    @KRK:

    Not yet, but it might be therapeutic. Anyone here seen the series Drop The Dead Donkey?

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    El Cid says:

    Why are they letting black people be jurors now any way? It just makes them biased against Real America.

    See, when we Confederate-Americans succeed in repealing the 14th Amendment, maybe we would have had all the troubles we’ve had all these years.

  81. 81
    Frank says:

    The local FOX affiliate and the bloggers have now published her name and are trashing her husband by name, as well.

    Is this legal? Who the heck would want to be a juror from now if your life is going to be ruined?

  82. 82
    Nethead Jay says:

    @catclub: I don’t understand, what are you saying? That he can’t hold that view (which I don’t agree with, at least partially) because a jury cleared on one count, convicted on one other count and couldn’t agree on 23 others? I mentioned his view and political characteristics in the context of showing how stupid the inference drawn by those now going after that juror is.

  83. 83
    Martin says:

    @General Stuck: Not just you. The whole mosqudrama reminded me of a GOS diary from a way back about how satirizing the right had gotten so difficult. The picture at the bottom of the diary is what I remembered, wondering if modifying the actual statue of liberty in that way would be a reasonable compromise to the right against the proposed community center.

  84. 84
    El Cid says:

    @Tonal Crow: That’s kind of unfair to Gollum.

  85. 85
    Xero says:

    @Cols714: “Vote for us, we are assholes”

    Starting to sound more like, “Vote for us. Or else…”

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    Brachiator says:

    @licensed to kill time:

    Steal away! Really, I started to type about 5 different responses and deleted them all because of my despicableomometer problem. I gotta let it cool down.

    I can relate. By the way, when I read “despicableomometer” to myself, I use a Daffy Duck inner voice, because this stuff is truly some Looney Tunes shit.

  87. 87
    PaulW says:

    You’re

    NOT

    Supposed to

    Go

    After

    Jurors!

    This is a vigilante mob, brought up from the 1850s and 1950s into the modern era. This is insane. These assholes listing her name and her husband’s name need to be arrested for harassment, disorderly conduct, SOMETHING to stop this crap!

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    jaleh says:

    I just went there, it was depressing to read the comments. That was a mistake. Going for a bike ride now.

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    licensed to kill time says:

    @Brachiator: We’re all Daffy Duck now.

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    quaint irene says:

    MY COUNTERTOPS! (runs home)

    Hell, my countertops are flimsy linoleum. Guess that means I can’t petition to get out of jury duty.

    All that matters is that there is a Two Minute Hate every day.

    It’s called the WingNut Cafe. Can I get you ‘the outrage-du-jour?’

  91. 91
    Honus says:

    I mean why even have a jury when the republicans know who is guilty before the trial even starts?

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    RedKitten says:

    Somewhere, deep down in the bowels of Hell, Joe McCarthy is smiling.

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    themann1086 says:

    @TR: Yeah, going after people with little actual power in an attempt to intimidate others is a pretty classic early step of fascism. It is only going to get worse as our media is either in cahoots or spineless.

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    JMC_in_the_ATL says:

    @Martin: Yeah, the GLBT ones.

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    Batocchio says:

    The descent continues…

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    maya says:

    Reagan dumping large quantities of the mentally ill back on the streets is finally paying huge dividends for the Teapublican Party.

  97. 97
    Comrade Dread says:

    Well, thank sweet Buddha the media’s spending time on the important things like Gov. Rod Whogive’sarat’sass and the non-mosque instead of what our ‘victory’ in Iraq really means, the war in Afghanistan, or why the economy is so crappy.

    Yes, let’s ignore the trivial things and go form a lynch mob because some n***** might have voted to acquit our latest distraction/pariah of the day.

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    gex says:

    @Mark S.: Um, pretty much. Read the reports on the activities undertaken under the Patriot Act. A lot of left group infiltration and tracking. It is pretty clearly near illegal to hold left of center opinions.

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    Tax Analyst says:

    Juror # 106, a black female believed to be in her 60s, is a retired state public health director who has ties to the Chicago Urban League. She has handed out campaign literature for a relative who ran for public office. She listens to National Public Radio and liberal talk radio shows.

    Being able to perform jury service without being subjected to this type of recklessly fashioned intimidation ought not to be an event that requires exceptional courage. The mainstream media ought to be asking Republican office-holders if they support such tactics and justify their position.

    It seems we can no longer simply take it for granite that one can perform a simple civic duty life jury service without being having these loathsome creatures taking video shots of your countertops and the brand and style of your underwear.

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    ThatLeftTurnInABQ says:

    @El Cid:

    That’s kind of unfair to Gollum.

    Howard Dean says Frodo needs to reach out to Gollum more, in the spirit of reconciliation and fellow citizenship. Frodo can hold the ring on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, while Gollum gets to fondle teh Precious on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Samwise can go gardening with it on Sundays. And Sauron can have it on Feb 29th of alternate leap years.

    It’s only fair, after all.

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    Martin says:

    @JMC_in_the_ATL: Good point.

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    morzer says:

    @Comrade Dread:

    Sweet Buddha? Aqua Buddha, please!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Tax Analyst:

    It seems we can no longer simply take it for granite that one can perform a simple civic duty life jury service

    Is that granite, as in granite counter tops? Punny, even if unintentional.

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    debbie says:

    This trial’s been a win-win for conservatives since the beginning. If Blago’s guilty, it’s proof of “Chicago politics” and Obama’s thuggery; If Blago gets off, it’s proof that ACORN-style corruption is alive and well in the Democratic party.

    Handing out campaign literature for a relative? Jeb Bush better keep a low profile.

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    celticdragonchick says:

    @DougJ:

    Isn’t this a text book example of a post that should have the “show us your countertops” tag?

    I’ll second that proposal.

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    RSA says:

    Wingnuts are now going after the jury in the Blago trial.

    They’re just following their strict Constitutionalist leanings. After they push through repeal of the 14th Amendment (to eliminate birthright citizenship), the 16th Amendment (to eliminate federal income taxes), the 1st Amendment (to forestall the building of new mosques and the inevitable institution of Sharia law), and the 6th Amendment (to allow jury trials only when the outcome is predetermined), everything will be perfect.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I know it’s illegal to intimidate jurors during the trial itself, but I have no idea if there are any laws against it after the trial. I have to guess that there are since mafia and gang members were notorious for going after jurors, but I don’t know.

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    Shalimar says:

    @Anya: Rock bottom will be when they start murdering people en masse for disagreeing with them. We’re unfortunately nowhere near as bad as it will get.

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    Frank says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I know it’s illegal to intimidate jurors during the trial itself, but I have no idea if there are any laws against it after the trial. I have to guess that there are since mafia and gang members were notorious for going after jurors, but I don’t know.

    I don’t know either. However, one would think it would be illegal even after the trial. Otherwise, how can society expect the jury and our legal system to function? If I was a juror and I knew that the mafia or whoever could come after me after the trial, I sure as heck would not vote to convict.

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    Tax Analyst says:

    @Brachiator:

    @ Tax Analyst:

    It seems we can no longer simply take it for granite that one can perform a simple civic duty life jury service

    Is that granite, as in granite counter tops? Punny, even if unintentional.

    Well, of course it was intentional. I didn’t know if anyone else would notice, but I was pretty sure you would if you happened to get over here this afternoon. It was one I just couldn’t resist squeezing in there.

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    El Cid says:

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: It’s not so much that. Of course Frodo has a right to take the ring to Mount Doom, but it’s just that there are community sensitivities involved and it’s not a good idea for the long term for Frodo to completely remain uninterested in the opinions of those who don’t share his controversial views, particularly given strong memories of the fall of Numenor.

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    El Cid says:

    @RSA: I think that Article 1 is also controversial given that a body of people who are often dominated by anti-American communist liberals are given the authority to write the laws, which is the same thing that Hitler did.

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    quaint irene says:

    but I have no idea if there are any laws against it after the trial. I

    I’m not talking about this kind of harassement , but after the trial’s over it’s the ex-juror’s choice whether they want to talk to the media.

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    Bokonon says:

    Oh, come on! Dontcha know that in wingnut land, everyone who isn’t caucasian is biased and untrustworthy and filled with rage? Have a vicious agenda? And are probably corrupt? Prone to being a union member? Sometimes a public employee? Inclined to reverse racism? And possibly an illegal immigrant? They are guilty until proven innocent. Investigate them!

    This attacks and generalizations aren’t racism, mind you. Oh no. The wingnuts will claim that they are just reporting observible facts, and are just not being politically correct. Including when they use insulting racial terms (and then they will cop the Dr. Laura defense).

    The bottom line is that non-white folks are suspect to that crowd, and must prove their loyalty by agreeing with the wingnut agenda. And then … they can be considered full citizens.

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    PanAmerican says:

    U.S. District Judge James Zagel: “It has come to the Court’s attention that certain jurors in the Blagojevich trial are calling and complaining about numerous phone calls from the media asking for interviews and visiting their homes. The United States Marshal has advised the jurors to call 911 to report the incidents.”

    They’re intimidating any jury empaneled in a retrial into a guilty verdict.

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    Cacti says:

    Doesn’t everyone know?

    Only white Republicans are capable of being impartial jurors.

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    Wordsmith says:

    @Nethead Jay: that’s probably my husband.

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    Karen says:

    So when they find out where this juror lives and either her house gets vandalized or some right wing nutjob goes after her with a gun, does her family get to sue? Besides, I thought revealing jurrors was against the law.

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    Steveya says:

    @Cacti:

    And Supreme Court justices!

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    Tax Analyst says:

    @licensed to kill time:

    I started to type about 5 different responses and deleted them all because of my despicableomometer problem. I gotta let it cool down

    Me too. My original attempt at making a post kept getting waylaid by my flabbergasted state of rage and indignation at the utter nastiness and mean-spirited gall of these asshat-o-matic dicks. I really shouldn’t be surprised anymore. I mean, you got Parkinson’s disease? Yeah, well, you move like a spaz, but you’re probably faking it for the attention and sympathy. A President’s (Clinton) 13-year old daughter? Man, is she a dog…uuuggghhhlyyy. Malia Obama asks a question about the BP oil spill situation? Man, are these people dumm. Shirley Sherrod? Just another racist trouble-maker who hates white people.

    The list is almost endless and it just goes on and on. After a while you just wonder when (or if) anyone on that side of the aisle will somehow muster up the basic decency it would take to unequivocably ask these assholes to JUST STOP! As in “Hey, people…if you have any sense of common decency, the tinieest dog-eared shred of integrity or notion of fair-play, or maybe perhaps any real belief in the God you so faciley claim to speak on behalf of…yes, for the Love of God, please, please, please, just take a good look at yourself and what you are doing and JUST STOP!”

    Yeah, right…the mortified ghost of Abe Lincoln will return, climb onto the giant granite lap of his own immortalized image, fire rockets off to summon the media and renounce his life-long party affiliation and then piss a liquified version of the Gettysburg address on John Boehner and Mitch McConnell before any of those walking butt-plugs would lift a finger to defang or neuter their rabid rabble-rousers. They would say something, but you know, what they do is just so useful to the party, and if you try really hard you can pretend their stench is just another pleasant after-shave lotion.

    Damn, there I go again. Waylaid yet again to the outer reaches of uncontrollable excessive exposition by the once better angels of my nature who have en masse resigned and now entreat me to speak in anger in terms most vile of those who without care or caution have despoiled our national comity and have cast my thoughts and emotions yet once again into that blasted state of total Flabbergastedness that sucks just oh-so-too-much to settle and deal with rationally.

    Or in shorter version: God, but I do so despise what those dickheads are doing.

    Oh yeah, BTW – “despicableomometer”. Good stuff – I really like it.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @dmsilev:

    They don’t even need to mention ACORN. They’re already sneering about her connections to “community organizers.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @RedKitten #92:

    OT, but are you going to be putting up any (more) pix of SamKitten’s birthday? I just checked in, and the latest one is still SamWithTummyInThePool.

    Not that I’m keeping track, or anything.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Violet:

    The thing that amazes me is that Patterico, who as a prosecutor should know better, is thrilled to post this information about a juror. And of course that incompetent hack Beldar was right there humph humphing away.

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    jake the snake says:

    @Mark S.:

    Blago knows where Obama buried the bodies, literally or figuratively, dontyaknow.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @cmorenc:

    The thing is, she was the lone dissenter on only some of the charges:

    One holdout juror stood in the way of convicting the former governor on the most explosive charges — that Blagojevich attempted to sell President Obama’s U.S. Senate seat. But jurors were sharply divided on other counts.

    The Senate seat counts made up nine of the wire fraud counts against Blagojevich and each one was linked to a recorded phone call — largely viewed as solid evidence.

    “There was a fundamental difference in opinion,” Matsumoto said, noting the split varied.

    In some cases it was 7-5. In others it was 6-6. On some counts, there was just one holdout. Matsumoto said they cast their votes on secret ballots.

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    Mark S. says:

    @jake the snake:

    Then you’d think Obama would want him in the pen for the next thirty years or so.

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    wengler says:

    I don’t get rightwingers sometimes. This is the best possible outcome they could’ve gotten. Blago was convicted on one count and Fitzgerald who I guess believes Blago is the most important case in the world is gung ho about retrying the other counts and blowing tens of millions more dollars.

    And oh yeah, Blago still wants Obama to come testify. So maybe, just maybe, the rightwing can stifle their inclination to act like the Klan and grab some popcorn instead.

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    @wengler:

    maybe, just maybe, the rightwing can stifle their inclination to act like the Klan

    They can’t. It’s become an addiction or a compulsion or something — what you might call “Lee Atwater repression” (where you keep thinking of more and more subtle ways of saying “n*gger n*gger n*gger”) has finally snapped under the stress of Obama’s election, and a lot of them clearly, literally, can’t help themselves.

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    redoubt says:

    @Zandar: Me too. (worked for an NPR affiliate in college)

    @morzer: Drop the Dead Donkey? (raises hand) Who knew it was a documentary?

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    Svensker says:

    @Tax Analyst:

    Mr. Taibbi, is that you?

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    timb says:

    @rufflesinc: If you dare, check out Patterico. He has and does

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    timb says:

    @Violet: Jury consultants and lawyers sure as hell hope it’s not ever made illegal

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    timb says:

    @The humanity: because he and Obama are “cronies”

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    Brachiator says:

    @wengler:

    And oh yeah, Blago still wants Obama to come testify.

    And no doubt wingnuts are fantasizing about some Perry Mason moment even better than Clinton and mysterious blue dresses.

    Lawyer: President Obama, did you ever speak directly to Blago.

    President: No, of course not.

    Lawyer (pausing for effect): President Obama, where was your long form birth certificate filed?

    President: Kenya, of course. Wait, I mean…

    Wingnuts in the gallery: OOOH!

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    Tax Analyst says:

    @Svensker:

    No, but that wasn’t a bad guess based on my staggering, stumbling screed.

    But if nothing else it wore me out, so if you’ve got a jester’s cap I’ll be happy to model it for you. I promise not to bite if you bring it.

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    Xenos says:

    The local Fox affiliate that first revealed this juror’s name ought to get some unwelcome visitors at its next license renewal hearing with the FCC.

    Are they still doing that sort of thing? Or have we surrendered all oversight over the broadcast spectrum?

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    Mark S. says:

    @timb:

    Patterico’s Rules on Peremptory Strikes: Always strike black people who listen to NPR.

    Personally, I can’t remember anyone here or at another lefty blog mounting even a tepid defense for Blago. I don’t know why Patterico would think anyone who listens to NPR would automatically think Blago was innocent.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Mark S.:

    Patterico is a twit. Given some of the incredibly stupid stuff he’s posted, I’m amazed that he’s allowed into a courtroom.

    And that Beldar character is just a pompous twit.

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    Mark S. says:

    @Zuzu’s Petals:

    Who’s Beldar?

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    Jebediah says:

    @Mark S.:
    Wasn’t he a Conehead? From France?

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    asiangrrlMN says:

    @Tax Analyst: I wasn’t sure it was intentional, either, but nice touch.

    Goddamn it, I have a very bad feeling about this.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Mark S.:

    A wingnut who has his own blog but who likes to make an occasional appearance at Patterico’s, where he sees himself as the legal scholar of the bunch. He posted on the Blago juror thread…pompous twit-ness personified.

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    Zuzu's Petals says:

    @Karen:

    Never fear, Freepers are on the case:

    To: Texas Fossil

    Goods on the jurist here:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....1&;page=

    Appropriate contacts have been made.

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    twiffer says:

    @RSA: you forgot repealing the 5th as well. because only criminals would object to being searched without probable cause or a warrant.

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    mnpundit says:

    Well before I knew her identity, I wondered if she was on the take. (A comment over at BooMan’s site.) It has nothing to do with wingnuts.

    Trying to find her personal information (I was not even aware of the sex of the person) though is wingnutty.

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    PWL says:

    Well, what did you expect? They’re the same kind of people who found 57 communists–or was it 101?–in the State Department, back in about 1954.

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    […] Wingnuts go insane on a juror in the Blago trial, blaming her for being the loan holdout that got Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich convicted on only one count. Their evidence? She’s black, worked for the state, and listens to NPR! Shirley Sherrod 2.0 Juror # 106, a black female believed to be in her 60s, is a retired state public health director who has ties to the Chicago Urban League. She has handed out campaign literature for a relative who ran for public office. She listens to National Public Radio and liberal talk radio shows. […]

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